/twg/ - Total War General

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>>181416964
>I don't believe in artificial caps - I think it's a cop out, and is not a entertaining or a fun way to balance an fantasy strategy game like Warhammer. You can't heal an unlimited amount once your magic pool is depleted, and spellcasting has a greater risk of miscasting in SFO, so there's more risk involved. In MP is really not an issue - it only becomes truly powerful in the campaign with all the potential powers the casting Legendary Lords can get, but the campaign is meant to be a closer to lore, over the top Warhammer experience.

>Even if you blob your undead, and keep spamming your overcasted Invocation of Nehek, you're going to be resilient for awhile, but you're going to exhaust your magic pool fairly quickly. In SFO, most other races have higher damage, or deal more damage than most undead units (or both); so the Undead rely on their ability to heal and resurrect to win tough battles. This is how it is in the lore and TT, so this is how I designed them in SFO.

>As for units with regen, they are designed to reply on their regen to be effective - without it, they aren't very useful, such as Trolls. So artificially capping their healing, is a huge nerf to some units, which I designed to need it. I'd recommend trying the latest version of the mod for mp and sp, and then forming an opinion first.

this is in response to a sentence long comment about the healing cap

>I'm always looking for feedback, and trying to improve balance, so anyone playing my mod for the first time, realize that things are much different in some respects, you need to adjust your play-style and strategies. Feel free to give me feedback in the bug/balance thread on my mod page if you feel anything is worth reporting.
>>I'm always looking for feedback, unless I don't like your feedback in which case I will write an essay criticizing your feedback

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THIRTY YEAR'S WAR

W H E N ?

>>181417391
Shit mate. I actually liked lore-ish stat changes of Steel Faith, where units like Grail Knights were reduced in size significantly. But then they just started to add some Radious tier shit.

Is there any other mods that do changes like that?

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HOLA

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Reminder that this is a history and anime general

>>181417391
yeah that guy has some problems, I remember him throwing a big shitfit in regards to that all tabletop lords mod a while back

Should skaven slaves be better or worse than peasant mobs?

>>181418030

Roughly equivalent I think.

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>>181414881
>>tfw we had to mod Empire State colours in and then it's a different building chain
Is there a mod that does that?
I'm planning on doing something similar once HElves hit and could use a framework to work off.

>>181418030
Worse in most aspects, but faster and with some mechanic that buffs morale while outnumbering the enemy.

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Hammer and anvil baby

>>181418085

Unique Empire States and State Troops of the Empire do it.

>>181417720
>they just started to add some Radious tier shit.

Like what?

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amazons still not announced

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>this fucking cuck

>>181418265

>people actually think amazons will be added

top kek

>>181418159
Pretty sure Unique Empire State troops only changes the looks of the units depending on faction, meaning once the Empire takes Middenheim, you will no longer be able to recuit Middenheim units from there.

I'll look into Stae´te Troops of the Empire, thanks.

>>181418265
How does a saurus dick look like

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>>181418152
Resulting carpet

>>181418479
You should ask your mother.

>>181418637
>rat with only 2 tits

>>181418479

>saurus
>having dicks

There are no female Lizards, they just emerge from spawning pools.

>>181418479
Technically they don't have one, as they're asexual biological robots, to be reductive.

In terms of porn, whatever the artist decides it should look like on a given day.

>>181418690
they are an amalgamation of men, dwarves and rats anon

>>181418721

And how do you think the pools get pregnant?

That's right, the Saurus jack off into them with their giant dino dicks.

This is canon

>>181418219
>elite unbreakable dismounted knight emperor's guard (halberds)
>witch hunter retinue with notPrey of Aneth Rema and retarded stats
>sigmarite disciples with retarded buffs
>dismounted tournament melee knights
>men at arms (maces)
>men at arms (crossbows)

I think I just killed all the chaos warriors,I didn't get a message from the old man or a cutscene saying anything, are they going to come back like beast men do or are they gone for good?

>>181418637
>can only find the version on the left with the full globadier tank on her back

damnit , i need the two other versions

>>181419124
If you didn't get "An age of peace?" popup they're going to come back

>>181419190
Why?

>find shogun 2 to be a fairly challenging game on VH
>find out how OP inciting revolts are
>now always make sure to level up a high level monks in vanilla & rots and a high level metsuke in fots
>any time a clan declares war on me I just send the monks in when they send in their army
>by the time their army reaches me they've lost 3/4 of their provinces to rebellions
I actually destroyed an entire faction with 7 provinces with a single monk.

Playing FotS for the first time now and its even more OP because the skill trees way stronger and for some reason inciting revolts barely gives you any diplomacy penalty.

>>181419074
don't forget
>night goblins with spears

>>181419301
for heretical documentation of course , such heresy must be recorded into the witch hunter office

>>181419280
yea all I got was "chaos warrior have been wiped out nothing left but their laughing gods" or something along those lines.
Guess I'll just get rid of everyone else and build up my armies to take on chaos warriors again.

>>181417720
I wouldn't be surprised if we could just edit that mod to not have those units in it

>>181419512

http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/2084979#

Is there something that makes FotS suddenly turn difficult, like RD?

I'm playing as Aizu and it seems really easy because 2/3rds of the map is pro shogunate.

>>181419659
So what's the best artillery piece in TWW not counting the steam tank? The hellcannon? The doom diver? The luminark?

>>181419659
Realm divide is different in FotS, it basically becomes all of the shogunate forces vs all of the imperial forces unless you become a republic, in which case the realm divide is similar to vanilla

Haven't played either Rome 2 or Attila but have both with most DLC because my brother owns them on steam.

Which game should I play and what faction?

>>181420008
Attila, The Jews

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The perfidious greeks think they're safe behind the walls of Massalia

>>181417782
I haven't had Mexican food in ages. I must go out and acquire burrito

>>181419074
>men at arms (crossbows)
Fucking why? Does he plan to give the High Elves repeater crossbows too? Might as well give the gobbos crossbows too while we're at it.

I'm not at all a lorefag, I just hate seeing the factions homogenized like this. Let some have their unique weapons. If I wanted to have rosters bolstered by every character model equipped with every weapon model, I would download radius.

>>181419763

Hellcannon by a country mile.

>>181420102
We want to see warhammer screenshots, not some history trash that nobody cares about.

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>tfw no sci-fi TW

>>181419763
Probably hellcannon

If you put your mouse on a less smooth surface when you fire it, it becomes really easy to control and you can consistently get 30 or more kills with a single shot.

>>181419828
but wont that just make the game even easier because when that hits the Shogunate forces will just dominate the imperial forces?

>>181420545
Hide and report false flagging fags trying to seed discord among Total War fans.

>>181420545

Fuck off

>>181420545
Nobody post this king of comfy campaign posting with warhammer because its fucking trash anyway you faggot

>>181421035
It is not my fault that history is hugely overrated, unbalanced and not fun.
Instead of having an engaging campaign with rats, bulls and lizards you choose to paint map with the same units for every faction, just defferent icons.
I pity you histfag, go back to plebbit.

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>>181418343
Of course they won't be. They're far too perfect a match for the rogue armies profile to ever make it in. Instead, we'll get mixed armies of Chaos Warriors and Bretonnian knights led by Treemen. And while it's clear to everyone by now that CA are not artists but capitalists, it should be said that they're a special type of capitalist: strategy video game designers. The market strategy of this type of top hat-wearers is unique even in the specialized field of video game development: they will occupy a niche within the already small market of strategy games, and once the painstakingly produced first game or two has established the model for their new pioneering subgenre, they will continue on the course set by the game with only graphical improvements for entire decades, hiring charlatan junior designer to cater to their fanbase's petty vanities with cosmetic changes while endeavouring to include less and more homogenous content with each new game and expansion. In other words, CA and Paradox are always testing their loyal and niche fanbase, seeking to crush their spirit, probing how low they can go on the content while still reaping their predictable rewards. Nothing good or unique must pass the decisionmaking process, or the demand for the game grow, overwhelming the tired, jaded CEO who came up with that groundbreaking concept decades ago and his simpering underlings who are there in the role of gremlins trying to discretely cripple the game instead of engineers trying to improve it. They will work towards inter-game compatibility and homogeneity across the rulesets, yes, but they will quickly strangle every spark of flavour, creativity, unpredictability, sometimes helped along by the "suggestions" of their playerbase which is made up of RL motorically impaired losers who want predictable victories over exciting mechanics. (cont.)

>>181421364
>cont.
please no

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>>181420575
>tfw no steampunk TW

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>>181421364
tl; dr

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>>181421364
But I don't want to play as Amazons

>>181421634
that was fun game, i liked the aztec race

>>181421654
Good, you won't have to. Amazons are the worst meme.

>See friend launch Warhammer after months
>Quits 40 minutes later

It's like pottery

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Goddamnit im not fucking buying Rome 2.

RELEASE ANCIENT EMPIRES YOU SHITS

>>181421363
> telling someone to go to reddit because he called you out for liking the same thing as redditors

That's not how it works newfriend, take your trash bait out of here and fuck off
Fantasy = mediocrity so far, and warhammer 2 is taking the exact same path as 1

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>Witch elf asses will be hidden by loincloth
CAAAAAAAAA!!!!

>>181421364
The convos in this general where 'doomstacks' and 'always attack X on turn 2' are the most common types of strategy being discussed, further reinforce the image of the strategy game player as nothing more than an affirmation seeker through the basest means, almost mechanizing the ways they can get the mana and the 'doomstacks' so to feel superior to the pretend-opponent. There is no savour for the art and the environment of the game in the strategy gamer's heart, only the feeling of superiority that must be attained by any means and in any game possible. Warhammer, Shogun, Medieval, it matters not, all are just groupings of 'stacks' (mobs, toonz) and mana to the modern player. Ruthless, soulless, artless efficiency can thus be said to permeate every pore of the strategy market, suffocating the beautiful and the exotic such as the /tg/ crowd has come to expect. An unfortunate clash of cultures! And one that the formless grey mass of 'map painters', 'carpet painters' and junior designers will always win with their uncaring, exploitative iron fist eternally pressed to the game's throat, whether it manifests itself as exploitative gameplay or exploitative design. So in conclusion, it seems that the one thread running across all of the strategy video games complex is aggressive mediocrity. RIP in peace, proud Amazons, good night, Araby, sleep tight, Kislev. And a special farewell to the Moot. Bye.

>>181421786
All of my friends refunded the Rome 2 and Attila because of a low quality and zero history accuracy

>>181421889
> me and my totally real friends on reddit have absolute shit taste and like to bait

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>>181421889
nice shitpost fantasidiot, have a (you)

>>181421889
funny thing is that attila is probably the most historically accurate tw game since it at least doesn't have incendiary pigs, or roman ninjas, or literal fucking amazons

>>181421889
>zero history accuracy
It's total war. It not supposed to be historically accurate.

>>181422087
weren't pigs on fire a legit tactic against elephants though?

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Man, time to play some history and actually playtrough norsemen campaign

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>Warhammer is now piratable
>/v/ermin poorfags and piratefags starts to flood this general and destroy it with shitposting
I hate poor people so goddamn much

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WHEN

>>181422389
I am really tired to tell you this, but you don't have to pay for a lazy, unpolished and no fun game, it just makes no sense.
Unless the product is really good than you should buy it.

>>181422389
>paying for software you can easily get for free

Literally just awful management of finances tbqh

>>181422525
I hope you didn't pay for atilla or rome 2 then

>>181422525
Why would you play the game if it is no fun to you?

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The walls have been broken and the first wave prepares for assault. The Massalian reinforcements are trickling in nearby and a secondary detachment is sent to clean them up.

>>181422592
>tbqh
what does this mean

>>181417720
So I found this mod. Sounds like everything I wanted.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=952715002

Anybody uses it and cares to give feedback? I would greatly appreciate it. Trying to jump off from the SFO addiction.

>>181417398
Never because LA ROCHELLE shall never be breached
>>181417720
>oh no they added former table top units
Fuck off you fake niggers, it's a fantasy game first and foremost hence why different arrow types are different units

>>181422606
>>181422634
I need to taste it first; see how it looks and plays. If I don't get excited during the gameplay, I uninstall it. If there is well-thought gameplay or rich story, then I give it a chance.

>>181418030
Worse but armour piercing and need to be blocked by another unit to the rear to stop routs

>>181422787
I wish I could change arrow types. Even if not at battle level, just like an option on unit card in campaign level, sort of like how in Attila you can upgrad your units, but just a switch.

>>181418479
They emerge from bathing pools so should lack any gentians but do have spiked tails which can be inserted into the anus for armour piercing damage

>>181422768
looks cool
but wait

>FYI Steel Faith compatible version is in the works now that I've discovered a few tricks. Expect it in the next few days. 28 Jun @ 8:46pm

welp looks like we tried boys

>>181422814
>I need to taste it first; see how it looks and plays
That's why there is a refund system.

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>get this after the Ghal Maraz quest

wew laddies

>>181423149
2 hours are definitely not enough for such games.

>>181419074
>emperors guard
Which are made up of knights, and dismounted knights served as elite defensive forces, see battle of crecy and agincpurt where they formed that line which could not be broken and funnelled the enemy in with longbows
>witch hunter retinue
From mordheim and existed in previous editions for all witchunter armies
>signature disciples
An armoured flaggelnt variant in mordehiem and others for a paupers crusade army
>tournament knights and at arms
No idea because >brettonia but there's one empire knight chapter which are in armoured archers and another uses shiny shields to disorient the foe
TL;DR Fuck off you falseflagger

Why do only wales get Longbows in Age of Charlemange?

It'd be cool if I could recruit Welsh Longbowmen after I conquer their shit.

>>181419553
The Warherd of Chaos is probably still up. You need to kill them too.

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>Nagash still not announced

>>181422768
Standardised everything is gay tho and limits to ability is also gay because you can do it every turn in tabletop, so yay another mod to mod
>>181422912
Then figure out how to mod

>>181423312
>not making levies
Wew ladn
Also mods

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>>181423345
WHY
IN
THE
FUCK
ARE
THESE
EVEN
MADE?

>>181422743
to be quite honest
No problem senpai

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Surprisingly the gatehouse was only lightly guarded. I wonder what the city square looks like.

>>181421870
>witch elves wearing clothing at all

>>181423189
How much is enough?

>>181423156
>get -1 public order AFTER being harsh

How does this even make sense.

>>181423656
however much i deem enough you petulant child

>>181423816
Wow, that's rude.

>>181423656
For me it would be few sessions for 3-4 hours. So I guess around 10 hours

>>181423882
That's quite a lot. Most of the game doesn't last that long.

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Yes, these choke points with towers all around are going to be nasty

>>181424024
What's wrong with graphic? It hurt my eyes.

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One squadron of scutarii is sent to give the veteran legionaries a hand on the walls.

>>181423312
just puppet them my man

In FotS can I move back down the modernisation pathway?

Really want to unlock kneel fire but also want to use mainly traditional units.

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The other is sent to capture towers and the gatehouse.

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You will never play a game with an artstyle of sketches ala warhammer rulebooks 5th and 6th editions

why even live

>>181421652
some autist is butthurt over not getting fanservice

nothing worth reading

>>181423715
evil but not scary

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What's a good mod that makes zombies look good?

>>181426124
>oy vey leave those undead skeletons/raping beastmen/murderous norsca alone, dey dindu nuffin dey just trying to get their life back in order

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>>181421870
Leave it to me, anon.

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The men holding one street are broken, Roman forces sweep through the square. One last hold out remains.

>>181423632
Depending on how they do the bras, it might be possible to make them fully naked

>>181427315
that's your excuse for a /pol edit, at least change 'oy vey' to 'ya greedy git' or ' stealthy marienburger' but of course 'perfidious albion' can stay

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>>181428197
Mark of chaos harpies had nipples, really makes you think about what happened to vidya.

>>181422814

>Actually trying to justify piracy on any level when you know as well as we do that the entire reason you pirated it is "I want it and I don't want to pay for it"

It's no big deal you know, I pirate too, I even seed which I bet my fucking ass you don't do.

But quit fucking pretending that you have a good reason beyond not wanting to pay for it.

And don't try to meme me with your "I'll buy it if I like it" shit. You know you won't.

>>181428494
But the point remains, as empire there is absolutely no reason to let beastmen, undead or orc captives to live. They are all inherently and irredeemably evil.

>>181428663

Not much to think about; it's an obvious case of broadening your target audience, because making games only gets more expensive and youz can use all the sales you can get. Similar to how the actual miniatures got a lot more PG towards the later editions.

In any case, I took the loincloths off the harpies because it makes no sense for them to have any, not to jack off to them.
I did however briefly consider giving them pantsu though.

>>181428998
Vamps can be reasoned with and have the potential to be redeemed.

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>>181426454
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=877625548&searchtext=dirty

>welf quest battle for the horn of the wild hunt
>have to kill the beastmen general since he has a map wide damaging effect
>vanguard 2 waywatchers/4 deepwood scouts within range of him
>gank him in under 30 seconds

gg no re

Empire and Vampire should have an event to include VC and Vlad into the shield of civilisation when Archaon appears, at some cost of course

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A couple of interesting twists, the Massalians sally out from their last fall back position, and I have to defend the breaches from troops still trickling in.

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Cretans doing work

>>181429340
Thew cost should be REMOVE UNDEAD BLOODSUCKERS FROM RIGHTFUL EMPIRE CLAY

>>181429340
I wonder who could be behind this post?

>>181428494
In the WF universe, most of /pol/ would be executed for not being extreme enough. If you want to understand Warhammer, you need to understand that /pol/ is to Karl Franz as Ghandi was to Joseph Stalin.

No Peace, just war.

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Finally. Fuck me this was tedious, never again. I was planning on doing a long campaign but this was just too repetitive. Nothing but fucking sieges. If it wasn't for GCCM I'd have died of boredom.

Really hope CA rework Chaos in TWW3.

Holy shit, all I want in a total war game is a campaign where I can fight like 6,000,000 defensive battles without ever having to expand. Like, a sort of horde mode where just more and more orcs or mongols or whatever invade and I just have to hold off until the timer runs out.

What game am I looking for /twg/, help me out, is there such a game or mod?

>>181430258

The extreme "there is only war" in Warhammer FB and 40k is fucking dumb. The nations wouldn't be able to sustain themselves if there was literally never peace. I don't care what bullshit explaination the writers give. The whole "no peace just war" should be taken with a few grains of salt.

It's even canon that after Magnus the Pious victory at Kislev his sixty five year long reign was one of relative peace.

>>181430472
You can try play as the dwarven faction in the chaos wastes in tww with a mod. Chaos cunts will constantly try to get rid of you.

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Shogun 2 battle map positioning can be so annoying sometimes.

I put my dude right on the bride and the river was on the enemies side of map.

I reloaded auto-save and moved my army a little step forward so I could get a proper bridge battle and this is where the bridge ends up...

>>181430258

Please do not project 40k onto fantasy. Fantasy is quite a bit more grounded.

>>181430852

I know that feel, the same thing has happened to once.

>>181430892

meant for >>181430779

Based Abhorash when?

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A sizable force has built up at the walls.

>Rome 2 legendary
>fight grueling battle, barely sin
>enemy survives with 17 singers
>next turn those singers automatically get a new general (fucking retarded system)
>That new general hires 6 mercenary units
>enemy runs rampant through my lands

Uninstalling this shitty game. Wow, Rome 2 was really a nose dive from shogun 2

Is warhammer any better?

>>181431619
Rome 2 is the worst game in the entire series, your reaction is typical. Warhammer is quite a bit better yes.

>>181430852
It's literally something Franz says in-game. Warhammer Fantasy is almost more fucked up than 40k because despite being a more realistic scale all the states seem supremely dysfunctional. I'm a /tg/ guy by heart, desu the fuckery is actually worse in tabletop lore than it is in other media. You would never know how much Bretonnia fucking sucked unless you played the games for example.

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That charge chain routed the remainder of the enemy army.

I didn't get to continue the battle after, so here are the screens I snapped in the last couple of moments.

>>181423226
Battles of Crecy and Agincourt did not exist in Warhammer.
Also, everyone had retinues in Mordheim, that was the point of the game, so why aren't they making Vampire retinues, Dwarf retinues, Chaos retinues, Skaven retinues, etc?

>>181432721
how about i make my dick's way into your ass

>>181431619
>>181431708
Actually I had this same bullshit happen to me in Attila when I first played and it made me quit instantly.

In Warhammer it can happen as well but sometimes it's not as bad as the general is only 1 unit and there aren't any mercs.

I don't really understand why they needed the new general system desu. I saw loads of stuff about the AI spamming small armies in the older games but shogun 2 doesn't have that at all so surely they know how to fix it?

Being able to magic a whole new general unit out of thin air is bullshit and makes actually killing the general a bad move in some battles.

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Post battle results

>>181419609
Fuck, I need that image with the head of something that's not a furry before I fap.

>>181433237
typical DeI faggotry, that mod is way too easy, every single battle is like that

>>181431619
There's RoRs in Warhammer which the AI doesn't seem to be recruiting instantly like you can do.
AI in general doesn't seem to come back at you with the very same stack that easily after you've defeated it once in Warhammer.

>>181433120
There are regiments of renown, though.

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>>181433237
Fucking Undead Fuckers....

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Bein' Green means yer really mean

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>>181433237
Can't touch me.

Are giants and troll units completly worthless in WH?
They have such shit morale they instantly rout when facing not trash tier units, especially trolls, and in the case of giants, they also get shredded super fast, especially by archers.

>>181433120
It's pretty fucking ridiculous when the 16 slingers of a faction you wiped out fight youu for the next 4 turns straight as they get defeated, some survive, new general, few new mercs. Nearly endless cycle

>>181434152
They should be supported by your troops. By themselves, they suck, yes. They really not supposed to face tank but give an additional punch to your frontline.

I wonder why CA don't do Mongol invasion/invasion of Korea/Ryukyu expansion for shogun 2.
There are so many things they could done at least it will be more variety of unit and scenarios to play with.

>>181433720
Are scouts viable in campaign?
They always seem to burn through their ammo way to fast for me and don't do AP damage.

>>181434334
Wrong time period for Mongols and Not enough new stuff in Korea to justify the expansion except maybe naval battles, which a lot of people don't care for.

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By ze lady, help!

>>181434416
Welf archers are always worth. Period. They're fucking OP with their high speed, armor, damage, range, ammo (when upgraded for most) and all of them can fire on the move.
What's not viable is cav archers because they get outshined hard by regular archers.

>>181434152
Giants are good, but do need to be babysat vs missiles. Trolls are pretty fucking shit though, I try to use them occasionally in mp since nobody expects them but even the armored ones will rout in situations where they really shouldn't.

>>181434416
I'm using them bc I don't want to spam waywatchers but want better archers than glade guard. They have the 360 which can be useful as well as stalk so they can be pretty good.

>>181434604
D-Did the Greenshits take Marienburg from you? RIP, brave knight.

>>181423403
Don't you dare speak to me.

Am I right in assuming Slayers are useless even with Ungrim?

>>181434613
fast cav that either
1. cast good magic spells without winds cost
or
2. fire poison into the rear of the enemy or at their cav or basically poison where needed.

are not useless. both great units. just because you prefer to set up an archer line doesn't mean other units are not useful.

>>181435383
They make OK-ish flankers, playing Ungrim is complete garbage though.

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>>181435383
nope

>>181435383
>>181435670
They're useless without Ungrim.
They become very cost efficient with Ungrim but still pretty mediocre.

>>181435506
Dont they just get raped by archers when doing a flank?

>>181435852
They get raped by armoured infantry, lords, mounted archers, chariots, and cav archers.

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>>181434637
>I'm using them bc I don't want to spam waywatchers but want better archers than glade guard. They have the 360 which can be useful as well as stalk so they can be pretty good
Hm, fair enough. I personally prefer Starfire Glade Guard because it gives you more boots on the ground.

>>181434613
Glade Riders with Hagbane Tips are freaking great, as are the Sisters, if you manage to micro the correctly.

>>181435670
*unsheathes peasant bows*

nothin personnel.... stunty...

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Over 20 years have passed since Legio II and V were last on true Roman soil. They've finally returned home.

>>181433120
Province system/Public order, the whole general thing, the ability of the AI to suddenly spam units out of thin air and other minor stuff ruins the new games for me.

Rome 1/Shogun 2 was fucking perfect, why can't they just copy and paste and focus on the battles and unit variety instead of going full retard I will never understand.

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>>181433237
What a grind.
Archy actually had to climb the walls to help out one the right flank.

Most fun I had in a siege in a while.

>>181436406
>playing chaos campaign
Why you people do this to yourself?

>>181436481
They have some cool stuff I guess.

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>>181429453
Glory to Rome!

>>181436481
For fun?

>>181436481

The units are fun, though it still isn't quite worth it.

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>>181436406
>no chariots
ASININE MORTAL

>>181435383
>>181435812
>>181435852
you guys just don't get how to use them, you are meant to place like 2 of them behind your line so that they kill fliers, or some random cav that manages to plow through the infantry into the archers

>>181436751
>2k+ chariot kills

beyond my comprehension

>>181436751
>>no chariots
I do plan to get some for my second horde.

>>181419002
>saurus/skinks jack off into them
>not skinks indiscriminately throwing out the slanns' bath water

What if it was both?

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>>181436751
>Chaos Chariots doing sick burnouts on the bodies of Kislvev soldiers for hours until there is nothing left but red paste

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>>181436876
>tfw no chariot mount for Argayon

>>181418479
It looks like air 'cause there ain't nothing down there.

>>181437282
You wouldn't break poor Dorghar's heart like that, would you?

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>Notice my two generals that just came back are holding high offices
>+40% tax rate between them
>Put taxes up to high

Truly the greatest city

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>>181436284
Greeted as heroes

So in Fall of the Samurai Aizu seem to the clan you go full traditional with, but what I don't get is that they also seem to be the clan with the best line infantry out of anyone?

Are Aizu just the strongest overall in regards to military?

>>181438116
oh nvm, just seen it says Aizu are the principal domain of the Shogunate. I just assumed Edo was.

>>181436284
Always loved these little narratives in the historical games. Almost as much as I hated my generals constantly keeling over from old age...

>>181438116
They are also the clan who had a whole battalion that collectively committed seppuku when they saw smoke in the distance that they falsely believed to be their burning castle.

>>181438628
>>181438116
i just played through all the historical missions on very hard, and the aizu one is pretty interesting,

>having to tell your soldiers not to shoot fleeing troops because you need to conserve ammo.

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Which culture packs should I get for Attila? Or should I rather get Rome 2 instead.

>>181439889

If you're only getting one then Empires of Sand is the best by a pretty wide margin.

Celts, Longbeards and Slavs are alright.

Vikings are no-effort shit.

>>181439889
Empires of Sands if those factions interest you, otherwise get R2

>>181439889
empires of sand is the only one that is actually good, celts are okayish, slavs are too boring and op to be fun the rest are kinda shit

>>181440194
>tfw completely in love with 2h/dane axes in Attila
>tfw Jutes have the motherfucking Royal Huscarls, THE best dane axe unit in the game
>tfw playing Jutes in campaign is painful as fuck for me

>>181436481
WITNESS
ME

>>181440496

As a Dane myself it hurts just how boring they are.

>>181441126
Danes are pretty boring though....

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guys I just bought Atilla along with every single DLC like a good goy. Who should I play for my first campaign?

>>181441717
Saxon stronk

Or WRE if you want to know what stress is.

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OH BABY

>>181442315
>Those varying quality level of textures

>>181420102
Is this AE for attila....?

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Guy who tried to bumrush Mousillon on turn 2 and failed yesterday here.
I managed to survive more turns, built up my economy, even invited Lyonesse to war with Mousillon, but they didn't even try to attack them. Long story short, I got outmanouvered after I went to Bastonne to remove some orcs that spawned there.
The Duke came at me with 4 stacks. I had one full stack and one stack with a lvl1 prophetess of life and 3 units of peasants. In total I had 8 units of yeomen archers, so I tried to snipe all of their lords. Unfortunately, the rest of my army, which was hiding in a forest, got found out by the Duke himself, so I decided to charge out to create a diversion for my yeomen. In the end, I managed to kill all of their lords, but it looks like they're not crumbling fast enough, and fresh reinforcements are still coming in. I might need to reload (because their lords will probably come back from the dead anyways after the battle).

On the other hand, if I managed to break Alberic out of combat and hide him somewhere they might crumble completely.

>>181441717
WRE, saxons, desert jews, tanooks, ostrogoths are the best campaigns

>>181442816
Welp, got Alberic to the forest, but he got caught instantly by a unit of bats that just flew in from the board edge. Everyone else has routed, RIP.

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So I was thinking of getting celts, charlemagne, ragheads and blood pack dlc. Am I good with these or missing out on anything with the other packs? Lot of the reviews indicate that those other ones have a serious lack to detail and basically just use existing units and stats.

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>>181443404
This is all that's left from their 4 full stacks. And all that's left from mine.

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Serious question, What happened to van dyck?

>>181442816
how are you getting so wrecked?

the turn two assault could have worked, its my usual strat.

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>>181443938
OK, I managed to escape combat again. Looks like they're trying to cut off my escape routes so I think kiting with Alberic on foot won't work. I knew I should've gotten him a horse.

>>181444186
I asked for people yesterday to walk me through that battle and the general response was "you're fucked, restart". What difficulty level?

>>181444462

Who are you fighting against?

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>>181441717
Aksum!

are there any shogun 2 mods worth playing other than TROM and rising sun

>>181444072

Maybe you should check his website?

>>181444618

Well I failed the turn two rush too anon, but I easily made up for it later on. I just lured out the the red dukie, killed him, destroyed his army and went on to conquer moussillon.

Are you sure you used your cavalry right?

>>181444705
4 undead stacks. Or what's left of them. Basically a dozen units of skeleton warriors and spearmen.

>>181445109
No, maybe because his website is pure garbage, what i really wanted to know is why CA didn't hire van dyck.

>>181445138

You've let Moussillon allow to have 4 undead stacks? Well that's gonna be difficult.

>>181445132
My biggest problem is that I can't get the Duke to leave until he has 2-3 more stacks than I do. I even tried raiding.

Are rangers better than quarrellers?

>>181445059

That must be a cheat.

>>181445138
Next time make sure all your bretonnian heros/lords have mounts, and get them asap.

The entire brettonian faction plays differently, and better, when you pair their basically unstoppable mid and high tier calvary with mounted lords.

Louen on a hippogryph paired with a unit of hippogryph knights can wreck pretty much anything, while a paladin plus a lord on horseback and of realm/questing/grail knights can usually route or break most low to mid units depending on how buffed the charge is, including skeletons.

>>181445463
With Belegar's skills, yes. Or if you want to use vanguard deployment.
If you just need someone to shoot at greenshits, Quarrelers are better.

>>181445325
CA thought they shouldn't hire someone with such a garbage website.

>>181445534
No cheats, just autism.

>>181445463
Only in terms of speed.
Unless you got Belegar buffing them, stick to Quarrellers.

>>181445560
>tfw barely got to do manual battles in my brettonian playthrough since auto resolve loves their cav

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Huh. So it looks like on VH killing the lord only makes their leadership neutral. They ain't gonna crumble by themselves.

>>181445325

How should we know? You're better off googling than asking here.

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>>181418085
Bumping with Elf Smut.

Anyone?

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>>181445614

>>181444618
they're faggots who can't play bretonnia. its a tough battle but its doable.

>>181445428
try an ambush.

>Play Attila
>beautiful graphics
>Lighting fast load times
>Turns take can take up to 2 minutes

>Play Warhammer
>Shit graphics
>Load times take eons
>Turns take 10 seconds

Is there no happy medium?

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Should I?

>>181446412

Beautiful is rather generous.

>>181446623
you should settle quickly

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>>181446412
>Attila beautiful graphics

>>181446623
yes, its incredibly fun, also even though the questline urges you to settle, I recommend to just circumnavigate the world while burning everything along the way

Is age of Charlemagne coop? If so I mite get it for me and a friend.

>>181446412

>Warhammer
>long load times

Get an SSD m8, it's CURRENT YEAR

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>>181446932
its the best looking total war game, both the actual graphics and attention to detail, like all those neat as fuck settlements, CA >optimised Warhammer by making the graphics worse, especially the lighting and lowering the fuck out of the battle size

>>181447127

Can't take any screenshots because I uninstalled it but I remember battles looking like ass when zoomed out, even on High settings.

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>>181445428

Really just go south to Aquitania or whatever its called, part your army there and the duke will be convinced that you left Bordeleaux unguarded. That would probably be enough to make him lay siege on Bordeleaux, then you just attack from southeast and done.

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>>181447431

Not the OP but battles look great regardless

Warhammer textures are much smaller

>Be empire
>Kill Rebels, go north
>Get attacked by SKULLSMAZZ
>Have to stop going north and go ALLL the way back
>Then get buttfucked by Beastman while not even ready to face off orcs
Just fuck my shit up.

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>>181445793
He's gonna live after all. I don't know where that 10% speed buff comes from, but it saved his butt.

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>>181448701
>run away for 40 minutes
>it counts as a win

What. Is that because I killed all of their lords? Because I killed 5 times as many as I brought to battle?

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>>181449064
And summary.

>>181448073
>leave your territory unguarded
>invading someone despite main force being so weak it gets rekt by beastmemes
AI made you its bitch.

>>181449064
Defender wins by default in the case of a time-out

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>>181449259
Oh, hey, achievement. I completely forgot about that one. I was actually thinking of playing a campaign on easy to try for it, but I guess very hard works too.

Are there any non-Chaos Norscan heroes in the lore?

>>181449505
I mean, I barely wasted an hour of gameplay so I restarted, but fuck that.

>>181419074
Witch hunter retinue(if they look good) and the mace variation of men at arms are totally fine imo.

>>181450081
Understandable. Get ready for meme elitists giving you shit though.

>>181420490
There is a notable greenskin mercenary tribe that uses crossbows in the lore.

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How do I deal with the mass slingers desert nomad tribes raise in Rome 2?

They seem to destroy my slingers and then can really dent my pike wall.
Im playing Egypt.

>>181450294
Still waiting for Skeleton Crossbowmen.

>>181450731
Radious still hasn't done it? I takes no effort after all.

>>181450714
cavalry

>>181450714
>>181450887
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1_Vpz76aoA

I don't play fantasy, but what is it about the chaos warriors faction that gets it so much hate here and on TWC?

>>181451052
Their campaign is just "burn everything". No fun at all.

>>181451052
Boring campaign. Beastmen is a fun version of chaos warriors.

>>181451052
There are rarely any fair field battles. Most of the time youre either waiting for siege equipment to be built or auto resolving against trash armies/settlements.

>>181451052

This >>181451176 plus the fact that it's like 95% sieges.

Actual units are fun but the way the campaign is isn't.

>>181451176
It's not even that. Beastmen campaign is the same, but it's much better. Warriors of Chaos is like playing a settled faction and pretending it's a horde, with all the cons but none of the pros.

>>181451410
Beastmen isn't fun aswell.

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Can I win this if he sallies out?

>>181451410
Anyone who thinks "beastmen is much better" clearly hasn't played WoC since beastmen came out. They play the same, except beastmen have shittier units and take longer to get into the burning. Chaos can get high-tier units before turn 20.

>>181451052
I actually really enjoyed it.

There's nothing like busting down a gate as Kholek, waiting till his whole army is gathered round the gate, then unleashing a pit of shades/ hellcannon fire to destroy the whole thing in seconds.

>>181451727
Well, I had fun with beastmen, but avoided WoC so far cause everyone said they're bad.

>>181451727
So can beastmen? You can literally get minotaurs by turn 6 or something.

>>181451727
>They play the same
Nonsense. Beastmen can hide, ambush and run away efficiently, which lets them spend less time chased by doomstacks and more time in field battles.

>>181451052
Some people are shit and manage to get rekt by the AI because they spend too much time dicking around in Norsca. Other people played as a faction whose goal is to burn down the world and got buttblasted when this meant they had to do sieges. Some people have legitimate grievances like the fact that Awaken the Tribes does nothing useful and that Chaos corruption doesn't increase the rate your units recover their health when encamped.

Overall I think the fact that Chaos was released in a Beta state is probably the main reason. But anyone telling you that Beastmen are the "fun" Chaos is probably retarded since Beastmen have the same goals (burn everything) but are worse at sieges.

If you enjoy tearing down cities and ruining the lives of asinine mortals then Chaos is pretty good.

>>181451312
>waiting for siege equipment

How? 2/3 lords start with siege equipment. Who the hell plays chaos and never gets hellcannons?

>>181452113
Im talking about towers and rams

>>181452113
>2/3 lords start with siege equipment
Shit, one of them is siege equipment.

>>181452047
No, you can't. Beastmen start out with less population in their hordes than Chaos does in their horde and the Beastmen version of tribes of Chaos isn't on the first section of their blue bar which means it takes longer to get hordes growing at a fast rate. Beastmen also start their campaign down south where the cities aren't worth as much and have far fewer technologies which give bonuses to sacking, meaning they get less cash, meaning that losing a battle or taking high losses early on hurts a lot more than it does for the Warriors of Chaos.

>>181452075
If you're getting chased by doomstacks then clearly you spent too much time dicking around and not enough time building your own doomstacks to rape the enemy. That's your fault, not the fault of the campaign.

>>181452113
>legitimate grievances like the fact that Awaken the Tribes does nothing useful

But they do plenty of useful if you just guide them through the map and tell them to go to certain places like with all allies?

>>181451726
easily, just rush his lines, his troops need to be firing their guns to be effective.

>>181452113
>hellcannons are useless vs walls, towers, and gates
>enjoying camping in the corner outside of tower range while abusing manual hellcannon aim
>enjoying half your army getting roflstomped by infinite range city towers
>enjoying funneling your army through one gate

chaos is shit because sieges in warhammer are shit, and that is what the majority of your campaign is. If the sieges were better the Chaos campaign would be better as well

>>181452113
I should note however that many Beastmen units start with vanguard deployment which means you can stick your guys right near the enemy usually, which makes for really fun battles where you just tear into retarded imperials who thought they would get you with their cannons. And their high-tier units like minotaurs are pretty satisfying with the way they just run everything over.

Overall Beastmen and Warriors of Chaos play differently. Warriors of Chaos usually rely on their armor to enable them to close with the enemy and destroy them, while Beastmen rely on stealth and speed to get up close and rape the enemy before they know what's happening.

Chaos Dwarfs will probably be the most satisfying though.

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>>181417309
And with that Paris is taken and all that Napoleonic nonsense ended.

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I really like wild riders. I hope the dino cav are as fun to use as them

>>181452470
They are only useful if you have a single tribe take over Norsca. Otherwise they all declare war on one another and waste your time because even though they're supposed to be your buttslaves CA decided to just make them Awaken as your allies instead.

The Norsca DLC will probably unfuck the tribes and make them actually useful for Warriors of Chaos in the way they were originally intended.

>>181452569
>chaos is shit because sieges in warhammer are shit
This is the reason. Do not look for other arguments or other conveniently made up lies for shitposting sake.

Sieges suck balls, so the campaign that are focused on lots of sieges suck. Is as simple as that.

>>181452470

>Norscan tribes
>useful

Fuckers get rekt by everything.

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when sieging with chaos I just climb the ladders most of the time desu, just get some unit that lets you instantly initiate sieges and manually pick where your infantry will climb, there are always places with just ranged units or no units at all, and you can always support with something like a manticore riding exalted hero

the main problem with chaos are not the sieges, but the absolutely retarded way the buildings are structures, its handled much worse than in Attila, I feel like whoever was responsible for it didn't actually ever play as hordes, or even properly think through the implications

>>181452880
Just get a mod that awakens tribes as vassals.

am i missing something here, why does the AI in warhammer tw see a trade deal that gives them more money out of the deal as a + on my side, theyre getting 300 a turn to my 100 on a trade deal but want ME to pay more

>>181452804
>censoring lord names

literally why, unless you renamed them something like leaking furry cock or something

>>181453667
Never played online huh?

>>181453497
It's not a realism thing, it's a game balance thing.

>>181452959
I never use the ladders because they tire out the units. I use a couple of siege towers and switch out the units if the the matchup isn't favourable. I keep the rest of the units just in front of the wall to reinforce the siege tower parties. I found sieges enjoyable after I got a mod that increased garrisons. I rather be forced to fight a big siege battle than a small one.

>>181453768
better remember to censor, if you slip up once 4chan will burn your house down
hurrrr

>>181445090
fucking answer me

>>181452423
I don't know if it's turn 6, but you can definitely get minos before razing your second city. Destroy the gor building, upgrade main to lvl 3 (3? 4 pop?), build mino building (2 pop).

>>181452486
Didn't rush his lines but this happened.

Helped in no small part by the fact that his general suicided into my army before lines had even met for no reason.

>>181454520
Quick, tell me which empires of sand faction to play first

>>181452569
But I do enjoy funnelling my entire army through one gate.

The enemy them has to put his whole army there to stop it and I can put a pit of shades down and kill like 300 dudes at once. Or just manually fire hellcannon over the gate, which they should be able to do anyway but can't for some reason.

Also you can just put your army by the walls to stop towers. Though I do agree that overall sieges are kind of meh and waaaay too easy.

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>>181454520
>>181452486

fuck forgot pic

>>181454985
most impressive

>>181454668
A K S U M
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>>181454985
v nice

Unless they have arty I find that it is easier than you would think to beat modern armies w/ traditional ones in fots. Definitely easier than autoresolve would have you think

>>181455127
Alright anon, time to defend Christianity in the east

I hate how mandatory navies are in FotS

>>181452569
>hellcannons are useless vs walls, towers, and gates
yeah, but they rape the troops
>enjoying camping in the corner outside of tower range while abusing manual hellcannon aim
never once did this in my chaos campaign
>enjoying half your army getting roflstomped by infinite range city towers
never had a problem in warhammer with the city towers, as any race using any tactics.

>enjoying funneling your army through one gate
I will when that army is Kholek, 3 dragon ogre shaggoths and a bunch of less dragon ogres and armored trolls.
I had plenty of fun with the chaos campaign, my problem is that like a lot of other campaigns you spend most of it fighting norscans.

>>181452423
Beastmen get the dark moon events which can boost their growth sky-high temporarily. You just wait out the first few turns growing your hordes and then make minotaur pits.

>>181455502
Shit man, you gotta get more manticores. They can absolutely rape anything on the walls, while your shaggoths crush everything below. And they're so cute while they're doing it, like big playful kittens.

>>181453043
reeeeeeee i paid for the race pack i want the tribes to function as they're supposed to function not get a mod to do half of CA's work for them

>>181455680
>he paid
>for warhammer

or lord I am keking

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>>181455284
No. Convert to Semitic Paganism.

>>181455680
>Paid
Lmao got it for free from steampunks. Not gonna give those goys a single shekel.

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Whoever thought it was a good idea to allow the AI to force siege battles with infinite range wall cannons should be taken outside and shot. ike seriously. You cant get out of range of these on the map, in what world is that a thing. They dont even lose much accuracy.

>>181456683
you can get out of range, you actually have to hug the walls, the closer you get to the walls the less towers will affect you.

Git gud.

>>181456683
Like seriously as vampire counts sieges should be even easier for you. build a couple of towers, get them to the walls and send up your heroes and support them with flying units.

they'll do shit all against you.

>>181456683
Why do you need to be so far away and out of range?

>>181447127
They optimized warhammer by making the engine actually use your GPU and not rely one one fucking thread

>>181456781
>>181456869
>>181456967
No the point is I didnt start the siege they did They should be fighting me on an open field o something. This wouldnt even be a problem but I have another army 1 turn away to take this. They have a fulll stack in their capital so its about 30 units vs my 20 and half my units are trash I plan on replacing. If i dont want to fight a siege battle I shouldnt have to, they should have to come out and fight me.