/civ4xg/ - Stellaris, Endless, Civilization and 4X Games General

Endless Legend of Age of Wonders 3? AoW 3 looks like it has way better combat than EL.

>>181281106
>still not putting the tags
OP, you're a retard and a moron, and you manage to make the spiderfag look good. At least he made okay OPs.

>inb4 "hahaha i am le trolling guise"

Riftborn are for bullying

>>181281308
Both are good games. If one looks fun for you and the other doesn't it would seem silly not to pic the one you like.

>>181281308
AoW3 has better combat but the empire building can be really lackluster

>>181281185
can someone tell me if Horatio gene splicing is bugged too?

>>181281429
I think both look really cool just that AoW's combat looks a bit more engaging. (plus I like EL's UI)

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>>181281308
AoW3 for combat, EL for empire building. I have both and enjoy the fuck out of them.

>>181281542
AOW is a mix between HOMM and MOM, EL is a bit more of a by the numbers 4x. Pick your poison as it were.

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>>181281308
I seem to have misplaced my aow3 folder, but maybe this pic can show you a bit about the combat.

I only played aow3 for the commonwealth campaign in vanilla and for me the combat was pretty good, while EL combat seemed to be a crunched civ5 combat. Move around unit in a stack, then they spread out for a fight in the existing terrain if I recall an explanation correctly.

There's some cool stuff in aow3 combat like Flame Tanks that fire over a pretty huge area and can hit several targets, fights are between up to 7 stacks of units where each can hold 6 types of units. A bit low imo when the power level between the units is so big.

>>181281542
Grab both, they're very different beasts.

EL is a more typical 4x. AoW3 is like Heroes of Might and Magic having a baby with the 4x Genre, to be really reductive.

>>181281231
That's what annoys me with the weapons in Endless Legend, they aren't really obvious to differenciate.
Like, you say that Hyperium strikes faster but that Titanium has better stats overall. Well, unless you repeatedly switches from one another and compare every number down, you won't get any ingame description.

Compare that to Endless Space where you have less, but juicy numbers for your different weapons, each with their own strong points, it's a lot easier to figure out what's best for what situation.
And it's not like you can use common sense like "wow it's sharp so it sucks against armour" like in RPG.

>>181281505
AoW3 combat turns quite fast to AI just spamming armies full of high tier units. End game is so fucking tedious.

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HAK HAK HAK

>>181281505
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>>181281654
>>181281668
>>181281735

Thanks anons. I think I'll get both. I will probably get the versions with the DLC as I imagine if I end up liking them I will want it anyway and then it'll be off sale.

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>>181281842
>Well, unless you repeatedly switches from one another and compare every number down, you won't get any ingame description.
Not really. You just have to read the numbers and compare which type of gear adds more to what you want.

Admittedly, there are a lot of different numbers that matter and the icons aren't intuitive but you can definitely foresee which type of gear gives the biggest boost to damage and etc. Just don't demand it also comes in a variety that boosts another stat, like defence, to the max at the same time.

>>181281842
Ehh, you don't really need to compare every peace of equipment, they follow more or less the same pattern across all tiers, so long as you stay within the same resource. IIRC it goes something like this:

Titanium-Health
Hyperium-Initiative
Adamantium-Defense
Palladium-Damage

Don't remember the last two.

Tho I agree that It's far from transparent.

>>181282152
I'm still mad at how the sword icon isn't the damage, but the combat skill.

>>181282206
I needed that in the game.

>>181281997
All DLCs for both games are expansion sized. Really good value for money, nothing like Paradox.

You might want to play the AoW3 campaigns in order, just remember that the older campaigns were balanced around the AI being brainded. A patch made it smarter so now Hard difficulty on some scenarios is Masochist/Impossible difficulty.

>>181282260
>I'm still mad at how the sword icon isn't the damage, but the combat skill.
hm, in aow1 and aow2 sword was used for chance to hit, while a star was used for damage.

>>181281997
Be sure to check your steam music player after you get EL.

>>181282430
>implying I played AoW
>at all
Actually, I don't think I ever played a game where "combat skill" was a thing. It was always called accuracy. Well, except Warhammer, but it's a tabletop game, it doesn't count.

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>>181282529
AoW3 also has good music.

>>181282685
SON OF A BITCH

>>181282430
Its the same in EL, but its SUPER unintuitive
Skill/chance to Hit is called Attack
Damage dealt on Hit is called Damage
And an attack that doesn't hit is just treated like a 0 damage hit, which leads to a lot of frustration for new players who don't get why their Infantry are doing 0 Damage.
Another similar issue, units that get hit by an opponent can't move on that same turn and, iirc, can only attack the unit that attacks them. So your units will seem to act arbitrary and attack only their attackers, leading to battle gridlock and again a lot of annoyance for new players who don't check Initiative values on units.

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>>181282813
They also added a button to disable duplicate faction if you set them to Random.

>>181282914
>Skill/chance to Hit is called Attack
It's called attack in EL too, anon.

>>181283131
He was talking about EL, you dunce.

>>181282558
Didn't mean to imply that you played AoW, it just seemed like you found that structure odd, and I noticed in an earlier image in the thread that two other games also used that structure.
Made me wonder how common it is.

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>>181283314
Ha. Nevermind then.
I thought you were pulling a "yeah well that classical game everyone should've played had the same" hipster shit.

>>181283416
In a medium like video games and a genre like 4x I think it's especially hard to expect everyone to play the old stuff or the classics since it's so time consuming.

I think AoW1 is a fine game for its time, but I only played through the campaign like once. Started a second run of the campaign as the other faction, but didn't make it through it.

>AoW1/2/Shadow Magic
>miss
>miss
>glancing blow
>miss
Yeah, nah those games are better left forgotten.

>>181284113
Played Age of Wonders 3 a bit because I was in the middle of a bone phase and I heard it had necromancers.

Combat was pretty neat, but didn't understood at all how cities worked, and found out my cities couldn't grow if I didn't had a farm near them, but I had no way to build any.

Even Warlock was easier than that, and Warlock is basically Civilizations with barbarians everywhere.

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>>181281505
What's the happiness on the system?

>>181284381
>Combat was pretty neat, but didn't understood at all how cities worked, and found out my cities couldn't grow if I didn't had a farm near them, but I had no way to build any.
Farms increase city growth but are not required. Cities only starve if they are making settlers or the enemy starts fucking with them (spells/skills).

You can never build a farm, it's either on the map or not.

>>181284602
I'm honestly not sure I like that system. It misses the feeling of progression that I associate with turn-based games.

>>181284381
>but didn't understood at all how cities worked, and found out my cities couldn't grow if I didn't had a farm near them, but I had no way to build any.
Not sure if the farm limitation was there when I played vanilla aow3.

farms in aow1-3 appear in the hexes around the city.
Depending on the terrain, some terrain can't hold farms.
I think each hex just gave gold in aow2, didn't really notice them in aow3 when I played.

I know cities could only grow then as long as their borders could.

So if the city was surrounded by other cities and its borders weren't at the edge of your empire, it couldn't grow anymore.
Also shared borders decreased growth.

>>181284680
There are improvements you can build to increase city growth and spells too. Other world map structures also give some population. Undead cities even get ""population"" from the corpses of nearby battles.

Hammers are industry currency you need to build buildings and units.
Mana is mana.
And Candles are research points.

There are buildings to help produce more of them and structures on the world map that give you extra if in the city radius.

>>181284959
>Mana is mana.
ORLY?

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>>181285010
Well it certainly isn't casting points. That's something different.

>>181285145
Please tell me more about how mana is mana, I don't understand the difference.

>Inward Perfection is getting changed
and pretty much fine with it.
Playing with it right now and I have pretty much played with those limitations this game.
The complaints are odd

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>>181285891
so they're like reverse fanatic purifiers

I would honestly rather they didn't have these really overbearing civics, but whatever

bomp

>>181288784
bump

The general couldn't survive 2 threads without
>Tags : /cbg/, /rtsg/
Congrats to whoever shit everything up.

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>>181291131
op blew it

>>181291261
>dark reign
that was fucking great

>>181291131
OP is a fucking retard

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We had people asking about AoW3. Here, have a roll chart.

>>181286569
Its a lot better than having every single Civic play the exact same, aside from having to micromanage Faction happiness differently.
That you can generate Pops with directly opposing Civics, even as fanatics, without having to meet some significant criteria is stupid.

>>181292724
How to prevent end game becoming absolute shit? With AI spamming stacks of highest tier units only non stop.

>>181292779
you're confusing civics and ethoses, m8

>>181292809
Best way to play AoW3 is to put the game on slowest research speed. That way you actually get to use t1 unit and even gold-rank them.

Really, it's the only way to play now for me. Previously my hero reached the enemy capitol with outdate units.

>>181292809
How long ago have you played the game? Devs patched it a bit so t4 spam isn't much of an issue.

>>181293328
Played with recent patches and expansion. I was using Empire mod. But for my knowledge it should reduce it even more tier 4 spam. Maybe I have to tweak map settings. To reduce resources.

>>181295018
By putting slow research speed you can delay the start of the spam.

Deleting resources could theoretically help if the AI didn't get bonuses on higher difficulties.

>>181292779
I'd love more strange traits for factions so they would play differently.

Start off as droids on a tomb world, researching sentient AI/synths causes a civil war to happen, splitting the empire.

Voidborn empire, either on large ark ships or as fleets of colony ships for food/factory ships for industry+energy/science ships for science. Fleets would be the equiavlent of "planets".

Gas giant creatures, colonize gas giants, can't colonize regular planets.

Destructive civilization that slowly worsens/corrupts the planets they're on, eventually have to abandon them for new planets.

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>>181295794
>Voidborn empire, either on large ark ships or as fleets of colony ships for food/factory ships for industry+energy/science ships for science. Fleets would be the equiavlent of "planets".

was ideasguysing about voidborn one day and thought it would be neat if some pops could become space gypsies of sorts and just squat in large space stations.

>>181296846
Piratical space gypsies. That cause you to lose FIDS and raise unrest on your systems.

>>181295794
But then you'd just have ES2

>>181296846
There should be randomly spawning pirates, mercenaries, migrants and something between a colony and uninhabited planet. Maybe "squatters" which would take up tiles like pre-sentients.

Right now it seems that most "migrants" who escape undesirable/resident status just disappear.

>>181281993
Refugees unwelcome.

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In Endless Legend, do adjacent districts in 2 different regions give the upgrade bonus?
Like here for example.

>>181298713
No.

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>>181298892
So which is it?

>>181299129
Maybe.

>>181291261
dow3 for shadowrealm

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Why can't this trigger a diplomatic victory or something

Does this mean this map will have no war?

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>>181304846
I CAN SEE EVERYTHING

I'm new to the genre. Should I get Civ 6 or endless legend?

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>>181305524
Endless Legend. Possibly Civ5, not 6. Or if you insist on fantasy: AoW3.

>>181305524
6 is fine, but Civ 5 with everything is obviously more polished

>>181301060
> doesn't have v1.5-tier Enigmatic loadouts
Somethin' Personnel/10

>>181305667
>>181305752

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>>181305752
Thanks for the response, I'll get Endless Legend then. It's much cheaper.

>>181305524
As someone who just got into 4x from both Civ 6 and EL

Endless Legend is GOD tier
Civilization VI is so obviously lacking features and polish. It's much easier than EL to learn just from blind play, but the ceiling is so much lower.
Now, Civ V is probably a lot better if you're more interested in Empire building that military strategy play. But between VI and EL, EL takes the cake - just read up on the game before you dive in too blind.

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>>181305919
The complete pack of EL is worth it. The DLCs are full-sized expansions.

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>>181299076
AtLeastThey'reNotNoldor.jpg

>>181298713
>public library
>turn 232
????

>>181306136
Just started playing.

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>>181306054

Guys, Wiz is ruining more game mechanics.

Inwards Perfection has been dramatically changed.

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>>181308187
Pic related.

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Why can't I build more of the wall here? Why can't it just cap my bonuses?

>>181309474
What's the point of the ultima in that continent name? Pangaea already means something like all earth anyway, all earth final would sound dumb.

>>181308187
>>181308572
> dramatic improvement that promotes varied factions with functionally different interactions
> "ruining"
Then again, Wiz has previous at making changes that look good in theory but turn out to be totally retarded and unbalanced in practice because he doesn't understand how the components of his own game interact with each other.
So I'll reserve judgement until I actually play 1.8

>>181304846
>>181305174
>>181309474
>still playing civ shit(6)

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>>181311095
It's fine

I guess it doesn't prevent war

>play xenophobe authoritarian militarist
>win the game with ease
>end up conquering every habitable planet in the galaxy and genociding everyone but two cool guy species
>ensure the continuation of my species for millions of years by populating +80% of the habitable planets in my galaxy

>play xenophile egalitarian pacifist
>end up being a small cuck empire that habits a handful of stars getting fucked by bigger empires for the sake of diplomatic relations
>empire is run by lizards and the starting race is a minority
>starting species most likely pegged out of existence in the next 10,000 years

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>>181313804
Mmm yes I wonder what the Swedes meant by that.

>>181309860
All continents have lumped together into a pangea and stopped moving forever making it final.

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Please do not bully the Riftborn.

Is endless space better than endless space 2? Is it the same thing with regard to mechanics? Should I play endless space if I played endless space 2?

>>181316519
>Is endless space better than endless space 2?
No.
>Is it the same thing with regard to mechanics?
No.
>Should I play endless space if I played endless space 2?
Depends.

It's a different game, if you are looking for something to play, give it a shot, but it's not the same at all.

>>181316417
fuck off geometric faggots

>>181316519
Are you sure you typed in the correct games for comparison?

What should I pick up from the steam sale? I'm a huge fan of the Space Empires franchise, if that helps.

Why is Paradox such a Jew? They treat every expansion dlc like a new game in terms of price. I have no problem getting my collection of Civs at very reasonable price with the sales and the dlc are all very cheap. Fucking hell I would have bought EUIV if not for its ridiculous price for full experience.

>>181317076
The model seems to be working, seeing how they have that fat dosh for acquisitions.

>>181317076
>be swedes
>have small company which is considered to be cool guys by fans
>in 2010 decide on a whim to begin making a sequel to one of your worse-selling games called crusader kings
>in 2012 release game
>it blows up really fast into a huge thing selling faster than eu3 or victoria 2, your previous big games
>making tons of money
>suddenly become greedy and begin releasing halfassed expansions for full price in 2014
>present day
>this has become the norm for paradox because they are greedy jews

>>181317913
The model "worked" because people liked CK2 and EU3 enough to buy EU4 and later Stellaris. The model will fall apart eventually because Paradox themselves are utterly incompetent at actually monetizing things in a non-retarded way and despite the dicksucking on their forums people will eventually tire of their bullshit.

Just look at Magica: Wizard Wars to see how shit Paradox is at monetizing shit. It's a game I would've paid money for but they released for free and then took down the servers when they realized a free game isn't really profitable.

>>181308572

Pls tell me the crazy fuck hasnt blocked all xenophobes from diplomacy.

>I do enter diplomacy but I want those borders damn it!

>>181318072
It's a shame to because I absolutely would have paid for a shitload of magicka games and expansions. The mechanics were fun, engaging and charming. It's also LP bait like nobody's business and ridiculously streamable. It's practically a licence to print money in this day and age. Even it's own cringeworthy humour couldn't kill the fun of it for me, it added to it in a 'that's so lame' kind of way even. Why can't Paradox into pro-consumer practices that make them money? It's the easiest thing.

>>181318116
>>181308572

>just the inward perfection civic

Nobody plays pacifists anyway....

>>181318465
I created a few pacifist race for plays because of those sweet core sector planet bonuses, however it is damn annoying later on when I want to expand and subjugate other nations. Federation is annoying because they always want migration treaty while I just want to keep my planet pure.
>>181317913
They would have my money if they actually make the pricing like Civilization series. Hell I even consider buying Beyond Earth + Rising Tides even though it is subpar. I only bought the vanilla Stellaris because it was at a good price, but I don't think I will buy Utopia unless it is at 85% discount. I hope people stop sucking their dicks until they change their pricing strategy.

Whomst here wishes to discuss Aurora?

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>>181291131
OP manages to make the spider shitposter look good.

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Made the most offensive-looking canvas to bump that thread.

OP is a faggot.

>>181303369
Roll

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>>181323671
>es2 need stellaris

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>>181318072
>>181318350
>>181319516
That's the thing though. What people say they would pay money for and what they actually do pay money for are two completely different things.

Also original Magicka was fun, but when they decided to go multiplayer and dumbed it down in the process is when it went to shit. No amount of genius marketing or clever monetization models would have saved it.

>>181323671
>boring canon vaulters
Canon BTFO.

>>181323770
>thought I was on /4xg/
>suddenly, Door-tan
fug

>>181308187
How did he ruin it?
Also: >>181285891

>>181318465
I'm playing pacifist with Inward perfection right now.
If I would've had 1,8 inward perfection it would've just been a straight buff my entire game with no penalties.
Also played pacifist in my previous game in 1.2

>>181319516
>however it is damn annoying later on when I want to expand and subjugate other nations.
You're a pacifist, I hope you don't expect anything different and you're just noting the backside of it.

>>181324194
I just pretend to be a pacifist to get +2 core sector system. I am a warrior in my blood.

>>181323910
>Also original Magicka was fun, but when they decided to go multiplayer and dumbed it down in the process is when it went to shit. No amount of genius marketing or clever monetization models would have saved it.

Going multiplayer isn't bad.
They still made a second singleplayer game.
And the og magicka had fun multiplayer. Both coop and vs.

I was going to buy the second magicka, but then I saw that it wasn't Arrowhead who developed it so I skipped it.

>>181324327
Mmm? There's a second Magicka?

I'm getting worried about Mount and Blade 2.

>>181324549
Why worry about something that'll never exist?

>Devouring Swarm
>Rapid Breeders
>Intelligent
>Non-adaptive
>Natural Engineers
>Extra research choice

Step 1: Food is for Chumps -- once your grown starvation does nothing to you. You need minerals, energy and research.
Step 2: Chumps are food.
Step 3: Shit out your own colonies while you consume chumpy mc delicious's worlds.

The +10% of your monthly research perk in discovery seems pretty good as long as you can keep 7+ total scientists out and running about.

>play lumeris
>win economic victory before I get a chance to finish their lore quest
Ok then

>>181324549
>Mmm? There's a second Magicka?
Yeah, early on there were a lot of bad reviews though.

A friend that I played og magicka with at launch preordered it and wanted to play, then I looked it up and saw all the bad reviews, that it was a different dev and then he felt bad for preordering, I guess he should tho desu, never preorder
I don't remember the complaints of the reviews though. I think it was very short.

>>181316417
*bullies*

>>181304846
It can still have war, you might just have to nudge it into happening or one of the other AI's will decide someone else redeemed too many great people and decide to bring the whole thing tumbling down.

>>181324772
The first Magicka was also terrible at launch.

>>181325612
naeh it wasn't.
It had problems, but it was still a great game at launch.

At what difficulty does ES2 become challenging?

>>181325967
No, it wasn't. It was full of bugs, poorly optimized, and it lagged horribly in multi.

>>181326086
Yeah it was.
I was playing on a toaster and I could play it perfectly fine in singleplayer and with some difficulty in multiplayer depending on the mission.
I could also easily mod the challenge mode when it had become too easy and tons of yetis and jormungandrs to the waves

>>181326249
No, anon, it was a horrible mess on launch, the devs even admitted it.

http://www.pcgamer.com/magickas-buggy-launch-we-didnt-know-the-game-was-being-released/

>>181326249
>"well it worked on my computer ;;;;)"
Okay. Just disregard how EVERYONE ELSE had issues with it, with even the devs admitting they released it too early.

>>181326321
>>181326361
Yeah I know it had problems.
I don't think those problems were big enough to not make it a great game, not a terrible one.

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>>181326076
Endless depending on how well you already play, though the AI is somewhat better than what it was on release, especially fleet composition and gauging whether it can actually fight you before DoW. There's a few rather big stuff to iron out though
-Craver AI will 100% always be the AI that booms and becomes a notable threat. It will always have double the total score of any other AI, because the bonuses it gets are so massive even if it doesn't go on conquering sprees and hits depletion maluses. So much for being the faction that will "eat itself to death" if it doesn't expand constantly.
-You can still break the difficulty of any AI (including Cravers) and cheese the game with strategic resources since AI way, way overvalues them in trade deals even if it's the first turn of war, it has fleets sieging your systems and could absolutely destroy you. You can literally go by without building any military ships at all and when the AI declares war, just offer them a handful of strategic and to lesser extent luxury resources to instantly get truce. Considering this was also the case in EL as well (though I don't know if it was eventually patched out) I'm not sure whether the devs even know it's an issue that needs fixing, so a lot of more people need to complain about it.

Can EL be played over LAN or do you need an internet connection?

>>181327320
Thanks lad.

>>181309474
Late, but you can't build great walls adjacent to two walls which are themselves adjacent. It's probably by design because it'd make it too easy to maximize the bonus by doing small wall triangles.

>>181327320
What the fuck.

I require an After Action Report on HOW you did that.

In Stellaris, if I put small weapons on the carrier type battle ship, will it try to fly close to the enemy and use them? Or will it just stay behind and keep them for the defence?

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>>181327632
Like I said, resources and stupid small bribes
>Faction that you're in cold war with asks for tribute ("gibe Dust nao" message). > Give Dust. (increase the amount in deal screen until the bar is just a little bit blue, otherwise they will decline your pathetic tribute)
>This also gives them the Happy opinion modifier and you can even usually sue peace the next turn without further bribes, which turns them Cordial for the rest of the game. Doesn't apply to Cravers obviously

>Faction makes diplomatic pressure demand. > Cave in because it's always something tiny and not something that will even remotely affect you

>Faction declares war on you (most likely with Cold War opponents, Cravers and peace treaty Horatio and Lumeris since they're prone to getting Sneaky opinion modifier)
>Give them a handful of strategic and luxury resources. How much they value each type depends on their situation, but regardless of that they will ALWAYS overvalue them even if they're literally sitting on top of your systems with their several doomstacks right now. Strategic resources seem to be valued more even if they can't use them yet

In short focus on Dust, Influence, and getting your hands on strategic and luxury resources. The AI does get big bonuses at the beginning but they're actually bad at consciously striving for Economic, Science or Wonder victories. You'll get a few warnings about Cravers nearing Economic victory due to their massive bonuses like I said, but they don't really focus on trade routes so you can easily overtake them eventually. This strategy is likely easiest to do with Lumeris which is how I did it (lots of Dust and their quest gives a massive +3 on every single luxury deposit) and Unfallen, both start with Pacifists in the senate and the sticky law is ridiculously good extra FIDSI since the AI is so easy to get on your good side and it doesn't care about giving you massive bonuses to all resources with its peace deal. Riftborn too for strategic law.

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>>181327767
start a new game and use the console to test it.

Make one ship with small weapons and one without.

>>181328420
okay, but how'd you deal with pirates?

>>181328652
And in addition to those forgot to add don't obviously repeatedly step on the AIs' toes like constantly colonizing near them, flying ships in their space etc.

>>181328723
Pirates aren't even a nuisance, maybe in early game for your explorers and later for civilian transports, but in my games I genuinely have almost never gone out of my way to hunt them down since they don't really do anything other than fly around from system to system, they don't siege them down or anything. Only Vodyani probably are going to have non-fun time with them. I didn't even TRY to get the achievement on that Endless Lumeris run, it just hit me when I got that that yeah, I hadn't really bothered with clearing out pirates.

>>181328960
Huh. As trees they're kind of a nuisance because they'll go after your vine ships.

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Is +1 sector the worst repeatable tech?

>>181330628
Yes.

don't ded

>>181333593
A thread with a shitty OP doesn't deserve to live.

>>181333709
We could always try and burn through this thread really fast!

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>>181333762
Alright

>>181333848
Hooray!

More like WHORE-atio.

>>181333932
Bitchratio.

>>181333932
rude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9hDi-085lU

Can you teach little cravers to read this?

would the real horatio please stand up

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>>181334757
What with that chromatic aberration?

>>181334869
aesthetic

I quite enjoy Stellaris, however I don't like Civilization. What are some grand strategy games that play like Stellaris? Doesn't have to be space game, just mechanically and gameplaywise similar.

Any decent (turn based?) 4x games that aren't construction queue managers or at least provide very good construction queue automation?

>>181335758
Distant Worlds: Universe is basically more mechanically fleshed out Stellaris, but has less roleplay elements.
If you just want more roleplaying aspects then Paradox's previous games are better than Stellaris for it. Try CK2 for example, again shittons of DLC, some of it cosmetic while others are actual expansions so pirating them might be a good idea.

>>181335840
Distant Worlds Universe

>>181335840
Distant Worlds Universe.

>>181330628
>Is +1 sector the worst repeatable tech?
Yes.

Anyone who uses more than 1 sector is an idiot.

>>181333932
I just started playing and I already seriously hate this horatio faggot.

>>181335758

>>181336289

this guy is right i would also say distant worlds is a better game in many ways but not the only interesting research is ship/station parts

>>181336870
>Hating our based lord and saviour
We're all Horatio, really.

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>>181336870
Literally worse than Horatio

>>181328420
THICC

>>181337889
>gnashast
enjoy being literally unconquerable, anon

If you have a fleet guarding an enemy system can they still recover manpower from the empire supply or are they limited to whatever they had before you arrived plus their own generation?

>>181339517
once a fleet is away from your planets, it cannot under any circumstances generate more manpower
the hissho 50 collection law does let you circumvent this, however, as it enables manpower recovery everywhere

>>181339398
I wonder if you could assimilate guardians.

>>181339739
impossible; the only thing you can do is burn them down to get the extra pop slot

>>181339727
I mean does the system itself regenerate manpower for the sake of invasion defence

>>181339839
system manpower cannot be generated while an enemy is invading; the only say to bolster the defense is through conscription and delivery of fresh troops from fleets
likewise, a defending system cannot update its manpower composition or upgrade their troops until the siege ends, at which point it will update

>>181340020
Makes sense, so if I'm attacking a system always make sure I have a fleet guarding and don't let enemy ships stay for long?

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>create a wide variety of galactic civilizations to show up in my new fanatic materialist campaign
>even wrote bios and stories for them
>get into the game and discover the first civilization
>it's some random spiritualistic cunts
>i fucking forgot to lock my customs in
>9 out of 12 other civs are spiritualistic
>whole galaxy discovers me at the same time only an hour in and declares war on me
Run ended, life ended.

>>181340109
if you haven't actually started the invasion proper, you need to kill off all enemy ships in-orbit before you can begin; if you are not yet ready to start the invasion, it is a good idea to still keep a ship or two parked there to stop the defense from recuperating as you said
however, once you start invading, it's of the highest imperative that you destroy any enemy fleets that enter the system, as they will add their manpower to the defending pool with every round
>>181340790
rip

>>181340790
If you kill yourself for such a stupid reason, Wiz get your soul and forces you to code for him.

>>181340979
fuck

>>181341181
Why do you think Paradox is so terrible? Nobody wants to be there.

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>>181291261
>Age of Empires 3 not in shadowrealm for it's godawful campaign about a bunch of Scotsmen fighting the Illuminati throughout American history
>Ottomans in Florida
>Knights of St.John in Florida
>"lol Im a tsundere pirate lady"
>Russians invade the Pacific Northwest to conquer all of the Americas, but it's okay they got wrekt by an avalanche
>The last leader of the Illuminati was a fur-trapper who just happened to fight in the Mexican-American war alongside one of the Scotsmen
Kanyenke and that US cavalry officer were pretty cool though.

XP/Card/Home City system was stupid and poorly designed to favor people who'd played the game longer.

>>181291261
What's so bad about CoH2? I only played the first one recently and thought about getting the second one.

Wtf? Why does it auto-purge the native species when I colonize a planet?

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>>181291261
>Wait for dawn of war 3 like the rest of us
If only we knew how bad things would turn out

>>181341276
The overpriced dlc is actually a cry for help. They don't want you to buy it so the company goes under and their souls are freed.

>>181342112
is there anything about dow3 yet? i thought it was only the cinematic

>>181342067
You have uplifting disabled in your empire policies, change it to allowed and it'll stop

>>181342195
It's a moba

>>181342164
That explains why CK2 suddenly featured silly stuff like Aztecs invasions and magic.

>>181342356
Wait, what.

>>181342256
>tfw fanatic xenophobe

Welp. There goes 3 free slaves pop.

>>181342718
Sunset invasion replaced the mongol invasion by an Aztec one, so that western players got threatened too.
And the last DLC apparently added black magic and saints.

EL is on sale, is it worth it? Are teh DLCs any good?

>>181343152
If you don't hate the combat it's the best 4x on the market. Pretty much all DLC are expansions and add significant gameplay changes.

>>181343328
>it's the best 4x on the market
Not him, but is it really?

>>181343424
It's a pretty strong contender for that title

>>181343328
Why would you hate the combat? Its one of the better 4x games combat wise. Not that the genre has much competition for good combat.

So are riftborn bad guys? When he declared war on me he mentioned something about purging the galaxy.

>>181343596
>Why would you hate the combat? Its one of the better 4x games combat wise.
Because parisians are shit at explaining it to new players and because there is only so much times you can do the whole chess match light per hour before it becomes tiresome chore.

>>181343758
Endless games are bing on faction centered morality. There really are no bad guys. Even cravers and necrophages are simply working as intended

>>181343964
There are no bad guys except for the UE which are clearly the good guys as they are led by the Glorious Emperor ZELEVAS and everyone who joins the UE becomes a new patriot!

>>181343964
>faction centered morality
bullshit

from the perspective of someone living on a planet (everyone that exists), robot locusts that consume worlds and inter dimensional beings that purge life are bad guys

Feel like playing stellaris multiplayer but dont want to get raped. tough times.

>>181343758
they're not the worst, but when it comes down to it their endgame is bad for everyone else in the endless universe

the truly horrible people are the vodyani and the cravers

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>>181344735
>he believed the propaganda
Cravers are a species of co-existence anon. They make everyone work as hard as they do.

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>>181344735
Cravers are greatest ally. They shed blood and bleed so that you don't have to! Blessed is the faction which has their loyalty!

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>>181345414
CRAVERS ARE A SPECIES OF PEACE.

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>>181345623
>Riftborn are Bongs

>>181345623
kinky

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>>181343758
totally the good guys

>>181345830
what a hilariously useless improvement

Should I buy Stellaris? I played it for like a month last year for free and got burned out. Now I can't play it for free because of work, is it more fun now? Should I get all the DLC too? No, under no circumstance can I pirate.

>>181345947
Even if you could build it turn 1 in 10 different systems it would be worthless.

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>>181345947
If you got it early game, it would have been godly.

>>181345830
Riftborn leaders are megalomaniacs.
It's weird because gameplay wise Riftborn can coexist with other nations with no penalties and all their mechanics are centered on their own population.

>>181343758
>So are riftborn bad guys?
Worse, they're the autistic guys.

>>181346039
Even then its a bit crap if each one has its own timer.

Damn Sophons are crazy in multiplayer. That research bonus really launches your military ahead of everyone else.

Can I somehow manually select the hero to be a senator in ES2? There's this faggot with no exp or hope of getting it, and he just sits in the senate doing fuck all (like most real life senators).

>>181345753
This is either the legendary English humor I keep hearing about, or they have truly lost all sense of irony.

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>>181347748
Little nightmares.

>you will never make new patriots out of new peoples
Why live lads?

>>181347891
why do the mavros have an industry bonus instead of a science bonus

>>181347748
And then next time everyone picks Sophons.

>>181347891
can the sophons split during their quest like the ue can?

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>ground battle music is five minutes long
>ground battles never last remotely that long

>>181349053
Do people really watch battles?

>>181348007
anything war focused has industry bonus for shitting out ships faster

>>181349161
Not after the first few times and that makes me hmmmmmm even more

>>181281842
It seems to be an amplitude problem, theres an issue with the UI not telling you things at a glance.

>>181348498
Not that I remember, but at least one path gives them free Mavros pops out of nowhere.

How do I into the Vodyani? Is it just constantly cranking out ships and slapping neighbors in the dick?

>>181347748
Nobody here plays multiplayer though.

how do you change which hero is the senator? I have a bad shitty hero that I started with, and one with great "on senate" bonuses who isn't the senator.

>>181349952
>How do I into the Vodyani? Is it just constantly cranking out ships and slapping neighbors in the dick?
Early game, yeah pretty much. Build XII tho, it's nice to have since you insta colonise planets. Once you get about 3 arks 2 pops each you can go can start pretending that you are a normal civ, but generally you will still want to leech.

>>181350153
Don't think you can't. It might reshuffle if party leaves and rejoins senate but I'm unsure.

>>181350027
That's where you are wrong.

>>181350318
He's not wrong. I for one don't want to be rekt.

>>181350318
Sorry, what's XII?

>>181353151
Xeno Industrial Infrastructure. Throw a Public Private Partnership in there too if you can afford.

>Be white/black dragon thing.
>First time playing.
>Build lots of manta ray things early.
>Start scouring the map for pearls.
>Amass a fortune.
>Start shitting out districts like a madman.
>Run out of pearls.
>Development halts to a standstill.
>Amount of Pearls I get in the winter can barely get me 2-3 Districts now.
HELP!

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>>181355203
>>Be white/black dragon thing.
Mothbats

>>181355203
>>Amount of Pearls I get in the winter can barely get me 2-3 Districts now.
Have you tried actually doing your faction quest?

>>181355375
>Have you tried actually doing your faction quest?
No I was having too much fun because I set the minor factions to biggest difficulty for some reason and I kept getting raided.
The minor factions even destroyed the elves by themselves.
What does it give?

>>181355203
Easiest first faction is wild walkers or vaulters.

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>>181355596
>What does it give?
Lots of stuff and teaches you how to play the faction.

You don't want spoilers.

>The minor factions even destroyed the elves by themselves.
That happens if you play on anything below Serious. AI just can't deal with super aggressive Minor Factions below that difficulty.

>>181355795
Alright, first thing I guess is I finish off the Vaulters, they got the first part of their Quest Victory in the bag apparently, or should I not be very concerned about this?

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>>181356095
>they got the first part of their Quest Victory in the bag apparently
Jesus, how many turns did you spend dicking around? Burn them down. And do your quest while you are at it.

Mostly likely Economic victory will trigger by itself soon.

>>181356329
I dicked around like a motherfucker, almost filled up an entire huge region full of districts.
The first two wonders are too good to pass up man, I guess on higher difficulties I don't get the chance to build them anymore eh?

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>>181356960
On higher difficulties it takes loads of luck to grab the resources needed before the AI.

So I got memed into buying AoW3. Simultaneous or classic turns?

>>181359137
Damn I have 60 hours in that game and I don't even remember playing it. I would stick with classic.

>>181359137
Classic. Unless you like trying to play "click faster than the AI".

Is Endless Legend worth picking up if I have played ES2?

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>>181359692
Definitely.

>>181341537
>"lol Im a tsundere pirate lady"
Campaign could've been saved by getting her gangraped for the next thousand years after drinking from the fountain of youth though

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>>181359979
Holy moth-bats are not for sexual.

>>181341537
I liked it. Alt history is fun. I played the xpacs too where china goes explores north america in 1000ad.

Always played 5v3 comp stomp online. The expert AI cheated so much 5 of you had to wall in and survive for 30 minutes then break out and win.

>>181359979
Exactly my thought

>>181360123
You can't tell me what to do with gifts of Auriga.

is sins of a solar empire rts or 4x?

i thing i liked about it most was building trade ports and watching trade ships go between planets, it was really cool even though the galaxy consisted of 20 planets orbiting one star

Is it normal for the bat people to screech at you if you touch a pearl regardless of how far from their territory it is?

>>181360710
It's a grand scale RTS.

Maps can get much bigger. Hundreds of planets.

>>181360769
>regardless of how far from their territory it is?
All of Auriga is their birthright. Pay attention to the lore.

>>181360710
It's a hybrid. No reason to pigeonhole a game that clearly doen't fit.

>>181360769
Yes. AI designates some regions as "theirs" for purpose of pearls, with mothbats it can be pretty much the entire map due to how much they depend on pearls.

>>181360827
Thats why I asked, I knew it was in the lore but it still seemed a bit dumb with how critical pearls are.

>>181360917
>it still seemed a bit dumb
It's part of the personality update. AI factions now have personalities. Mothbats get angry if any infidel snatches a pearl, for an example.

>>181361084
Its just a bit civ 6 "reeee stop playing the game" tier.

>>181361351
It provides forewarning for them declaring war on your kleptomaniac ass.

>>181361351
It's far less impactfull than civ. AI is much more likely to declare war on you because you are weak and they want your stuff than personality whims. It just makes diplomacy harder with them if you like pearl hunting for yourself.

>>181361351
I am alright with that. You can't be friends with everyone.

In ES2, for example, I'd be alright if the tree freaked out any time you sucked off anyone's essence as a Vodyani or if the Sophons hated you for researching tech too fast and fucking up their bonuses.

The only EL personality I don't really like is Roving Clans declaring a market ban for no fucking reason whatsoever

>>181362263
sneaky merchants are going to be sneaky

>>181362263
You don't get it mate. you shouldn't have tried to outjew the jew.

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>>181362263
>Roving Clans declaring a market ban for no fucking reason whatsoever
It's so that you pay your protection money.

>>181362263
Auriga ain't free

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>>181362421
I'm serious: banning you just so that they can extort money for lifting the ban is part of their AI strategy. Only way to stop it is you have overwhelming military that makes them afraid. And even that doesn't work when they have allies.

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that feel when played civ III a ton many moons ago but never beat it on regent and was in general shit

but then beat it on regent without any cheating in a standardacrosstheboard large map as favorite civ today

I saw some people arguing about planet efficiency in stellaris. one said placing buildings on the right tiles is more efficient than just spamming 1 building per planet. which is it

>>181363629
The spreadsheet screenshot one of those guys posted seemed to prove that the difference is negligible.

There is a steam achievement for ES2 to have a trade route from my starting system to Auriga. Is it even in the game?

>>181365701
Yes and it seems to nearly always spawn next to me

>>181365752
Is it marked in any way? I explored the entire galaxy last game I had and murdered every player but it was nowhere to be found.

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>>181365857
Its called Auriga, you'll get a notification when you find it like any other unique planet. You can colonise it and it gives lots of dust and science.

It might not spawn though

>>181365860
RIP Auriga.

>>181365860
Aw this makes me sad.

>>181365939
Welp, guess I just got unlucky.

>>181365860
F

>>181319516

>my planet pure

Whoever purges is wasting time and resources. Pacifists sucks because you cant do conquest. Subjugation also sucks.

>>181363202
I like the cheesy art. Is it really in the game?
>Caesar got beaten up
>HiroHito lost an eye
>Alexander is one-eyed and got raped

>>181365860
F

>>181366159
>>181366104
>>181366132
If it makes you feel better its confirmed that the quest victory escape boat explodes after take off and opens up the riftborn universe

>>181366258
>even if you escaped Auriga, your colonist still died
I DON'T FEEL ANY BETTER

>>181366258
Isn't that Grey Owl? Isn't it supposed to explode nearer to the start of ES2 rather to the end of EL which is set many many years prior?

>>181366132
And the Vaulters who finished the main quest of Endless Legend all died when their ship exploded when Endless Space 1 was retconned. So nothing you do in Endless Legend matters, they all die.

>>181366376
If it makes you feel any better there was an automated outpost in Auriga's orbit programmed to shoot down anything trying to leave the planet too.

>>181366469
>So nothing you do in Endless Legend matters, they all die.
Necrophages and Broken Lords are still hibernating.

>>181366559
Fuck you.
Even Subnautica has a better ending than that.

>>181366391
Yes, one of the riftborn pre-release videos shows it exploding leaving an icy world, the grey owl is confirmed as the escape boat in a forum story and a riftborn leader bio flat out names it as the grey owl that explodes

The utter absence of any EL factions is the other major giveaway that they die after takeoff.

>>181362263
fuck off commie

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>>181366667
But what about the OPBOT hero? Not in game yet but he has art.

>>181366667
So are the ES and EL timelines set really close together then? How did the planet turn so barren so fast if that is the case? The rift is supposed to be relatively new.

>>181366789
Auriga was dying hard at the end of EL with it practically being in endless winter depending on how late you trigger the victory and the riftborn didn't immediately pop out of rift, they spent some time trying to fix it from within their universe. The whole strangeness with time around them may have played a part as well, I'd say there was time for Auriga to completely freeze over.

>>181366764
I guess we'll find out, I'd like to be wrong on this.

>>181366241
the only mod thing I ran was the included European Terrain scenario which shouldn't affect anything beyond terrain/some resource graphics period

in hindsight using that european terrain scenario locked me out of improving my palace occasionally which is a little bit of a bummer I guess

I don't think Civ III was ever meant to run at 1920x1080 resolution, I swear it lags like hell if the whole screen is lit up and has units/cities animating all over it

>>181366594
You don't find them in EL2 when you discover
and colonize Auriga, just corpses and dust.

So is there a way I can tell the Vodyani to have their five dollar suck ships fuck off?

>>181369868
just blow em up

>>181369868
Only killing them.

>>181369818
So yeah.
Necrophages and Dosh Lords.

>>181369868
Peace or give your border regions fleets set to guard

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>>181370557

>>181370557
Nobody likes you, /gsg/, fuck off.

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>>181370557
>Deleted
WE CAN STILL SEE IT ANON
WE SEE YOUR SHAME

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>>181370789
what did he say?

>>181370916
A real and unapologetic /gsg/ naziboo.

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>>181370557
Praise to the 4X games, and death to all grand strategy.

>>181370557
Take a good look everyone. This is /gsg/. This is what we're trying to stay away from.

>>181371501
okay, nothing more specific, nothing saucier?
meh

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just posting a 1.0 ss for no reason pay me no mind

>>181371871
I'd shed her cloth if you know what I mean.

>>181371879
>>fascist activist Diana Mitford
>>(cute fascists have awoken)
>wtf, I'm a fascist now.
(picture of some world war 1 british tank and soldiers)

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>>181370557
>>181372740

>we have so little to talk about that we've made 20 replies about some guy accidentally posting here instead of on /gsg/

>>181373141
bumpers can't be choosers

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>>181373141
It's because 4X games are so engrossing no one has the time to post!

>>181373141
Hi, retard. Mad because of your astronomical fail?

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Startopia 2 when?

What is the best ending for each faction's questline for ES2?

>>181375994
on the killyourself of august I think

Guys, I spotted the salty OP.

>>181376763
Where‽

>>181375994
When you fuck off from the 4X thread