/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

post books on vidya design NOW

Is there an explanation for the continuing alterations to that image of a chicken?

>>181025747
severe autism

Less than 3 days left until DD15 and you still have no demo.
What's your excuse?

posted before thread died:

I have an idea for a game that I intend to make and release in stages (which I may change upon research):
First: Kongregate
Second: Steam
Simultaneously: iOS & Android
The Steam and mobile versions of the game will be updated and include more content (aiming for 1-2 month later release)

Does libGDX simply convert code I have written to be cross-plat? If I make the game with Unity can I still make a game cross-plat with libGDX?

>>181025770
this

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What video game language and engine to i learn and use to make a fun game?
Make sure to tell me the best ones, so I don't quit and jump shit in the middle of production.

No jokes.

>>181025950
you see, i

I'm an artist.

>>181026000
you already got your answer >>181025626

>>181026000
Unreal Engine 4 hands down.

How do I keep a demo/free version of my game separate from the full version, but still keep modifications?
Basically I want the free version to be limited to a few levels and a few characters, and maybe some other limitations. But if I modify the player, enemies, levels, or add mechanics I want it to just work on both the free and full versions with minimal work.

>>181025950
I was walking down the road reading a book, and I stepped on a banana, and I slipped and fell, and the woman tried to catch me and she also fell, and she was wearing a skirt and I hadn't zipped up my pants and it just so happened that way, I didn't really cheat on you, not really.

>>181026000
Rpgmaker MV and Java.

>>181025775
I was in the last 2 and I want there to be more progress before I enter another and people are probably tired of seeing it anyway so it kind of works out

>>181025863
It says right there in the main page
>Publish your games on Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS, BlackBerry and HTML5, all with the same code base.

>>181026000
Gamemaker, Godot, Unity, Unreal

Updated meme-genre schedule for the next few years:

2017
>Multiplayer Battle Royales
>Souls-likes
>Proc-gen shmups

2018
>Mystery RPGs
>Neo-RTS
>Third Person Puzzlers

2019
>DROD-likes
>Reverse MOBAs
>Text-parser adventure games

2020
>Traffic Control sims
>Open world rhythm games
>First Person Punchers

Better start work now if you want to be ahead of the curve.

>>181026101
if demo
{
levelMax = 2
}

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>>181025703
This one's pretty alright:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Books/Design-Practice-Wordware-Developers-Library/1556229127

In the end though it always comes down to:
>does this feature fit your game?
>is its inclusion fun/entertaining/enjoyable

Talking of which:
https://strawpoll.com/s27yrg4

I'm pretty surprised by the results so far.
Of course it comes down to the specific game, but even in RPGs regular inventory management pretty unpopular.

I-i liked it in Arx Fatalis ;_;

>>181026264
>this generates a metagame where people try to beat the game with 2 level limitation
>it's more popular than the actual game
>nobody even knows there's a paid version

>>181026281
I'm actually surprised that people seem to think that
>"You are overloaded and can't move"
is as annoying as a regular slot based system.

>>181026264
>demo becomes full version after five minutes of tinkering with cheat engine

>>181025775
I haven't posted a single game since DD1 so I'm just being consistent about that.

>>181025863
Due to the nature of different platforms you still have to test it on the various platforms / fix a few small things here and there.

PC/Linux/OSX/Android are perfectly fine. Dunno about iOS. HTML5 exporting is complete dogshit, though

>>181026281
>>181026425
weight-based inventory is the worst shit
here's my objective personal opinion fact:

tetris > slot > weight

unlimited is on a league of its own since it's such a fundamental change to the game and can't be compared

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How accepted are patreons for game developers?

Would you look down on me if I put a "Support this project" button into the main menu of my demo? (not specifically for DD but in general)

Is it better than having some shitty kickstarter?

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>>181025775
I'm polishing very important mechanics.
I seriously need to focus on making levels and I can't for some reason

>>181027009
I don't have an issue with people shilling their patreons but I don't think it works for most games. It works for youtube because they can release content on a weekly/monthly basis but a game dev might go months to years without releasing a game. People tend to get bored and drop their funding quickly.

There are definitely exceptions like Yanderesim so maybe I'm completely wrong.

>>181027009
Making games is completely incompatible with the patreon monetization scheme of monthly payments but people do it anyway
It's actually more profitable to not release your game and keep dangling the progress carrot forever with stupid art updates instead of actually working on the game, that's what porndevs do.

>>181027254
Yanderedev is more of a youtuber than a game developer t b h

>>181026779
Alright thanks

What if my game isn't up to scratch on demo day?
I feel like bad press would be worse than no press.

I see how you assholes treat Bokube

>>181027598
Critical outlook on your game isn't bad press.

>>181027598
The point of demo day is to get feedback on how much your game sucks and to give you clues on how you can improve it, it's not for marketing.

Think of it as free playtesting.

>>181027598
There will be people who will criticize you no matter how good you are.

There will actually probably be more people who will criticize you the better you are.

Don't rob yourself of opportunities for growth with the excuse that "it's not good enough yet."

>>181027254
>yanderedev can't even stop his camera from clipping like crazy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=zuAlYiYxHtc

How incompetent can you be?

>>181027598
Demo Day isn't a press release. It's where people put their work in progress games, and get feedback.

>I see how you assholes treat Bokube
If a few shitposters make you think the whole thread is full assholes then maybe 4chan isn't for you.

>>181027598
If you want positive feedback, you came to the wrong neighbourhood

For that matter if you want feedback at all this is a bad place. I post progress because I am autistic and 70% of the time I don't even get replies. People are too busy memeing. Plus, I'd like to think it means I'm not doing anything obviously wrong to be called out

Anyway this is a shithole but where else is there to go

>>181027598
>b-bokube
how's your first week at /agdg/

If I complete the C++ and Java courses on SoloLearn will I have enough basic understanding to start making a game?

>>181028107
Don't bother with java

It'll help but that's a wrong perspective/way to view it. More than anything you need to just like make game. Then you get experience and get better.

Just start making games now even. A course will help if you've done literally nothing but imo it's better to do mini tutorials over full courses and learn how to connect them and how things work. IE do practical work right away

So come up with a simple game and make it. If you don't know where to start, google getting started. Then think of what the first thing you need is. Probably a character and a way to control it. So find some tutorials that go over that stuff.

Being ready to make a game isn't an on/off state that'll switch after doing a course. You either make game or you don't.

>2013/2014 AGDG smash bros featuring your game character will never be made

What is the point in living?

>>181026246
>Open world rhythm games
That's a big leap from where the rhythm genre currently is, Patapon is still the only game that managed to implement rhythm in a way that doesn't just feel like a DDR mod on top of a regular turn-based RPG.

>>181028485
sounds a little too masturbatory imo

you could make a better smash clone by forgoing this place

http://frictionalgames.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-complexity-fallacy.html

>>181028485
gaining attention outside this place

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Made a new item thingy.

>>181028371
Sounds good to me, would you recommend using an engine to begin with or just do what I can with an IDE and move onto Engine later on?

>>181027025
>Fuck Gamebryo.
This. I get that Bethesda has done a lot of work on it and improved its visuals but the games made with it always have the same problems with horrible glitches, floaty movement and ass animations.
They really need to get rid of that piece of shit and move on to something new.

>>181028884
nighty night knight

>>181025775
5 days ago it was looking pretty good for me. I thought I might make it for demoday.
I haven't coded since 5 days ago. Now it's not looking so good anymore.

>>181028884
looks fun

>>181028884
the exclamation point in the text box looks pretty bad

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Couple of new things to post about:

- I made health and armor pickups of varying sizes, which was not too difficult. Ammo pickups are next.

- The weapon hotbar now goes away after a couple seconds, at which point it resets what weapon the key press will swap to.

- Shotguns have a more even spread now and a clearly defined cone.

- The player has maximum health, maximum armor, and maximum ammo (which is shown when you use a weapon that has ammo).

Also, the player's pistols have infinite ammo but need to be reloaded when they run out, but I don't have an animation for it yet so there's nothing to show off.

>>181028929
why the hell do bethesda games need NPCs off screen to do shit like voiceovers. how can they not just play a dang audio file wtf is even going on

>>181029235
Because it's an ancient engine and probably no one currently at Bethesda really understands its core to improve it, it's probably a spaghetti nightmare that breaks at the slightest change so they just decided to say fuck it and do stupid workarounds instead.

>>181029180
Yeah it's really annoying, I got to figure out how to edit fonts later but for now it can stay.

>>181029118
Thanks!

>>181029235
Some "genius" programmer early in development designed the voice system (and probably subtitles too) to be tied to the NPC objects. Once it's been established, it's hard to change when the designers are already doing it a specific way.

>>181025775
Tool development

>>181029235
>why the hell do bethesda games need NPCs off screen to do shit like voiceovers.
whoa there, are you questioning object oriented programming? how can you have a voice without a speaker? that's insanity.

>>181029197
You're like me when I get into an endless loop of refining and tweaking game feel when there's no game yet and then when I actually get around to making gameplay, I have to re-tweak everything all over again and throw out features that made no sense for what I ended up going with.

>>181025775
I've been at spending the nights at the hospital the whole month. Couldn't dev at all.

>>181028485
>tfw they didnt even release the source

>>181029885
I'm just focusing on one system at a time, and the shooting itself seems like a good place to start. Next is enemies, then level design.

>>181029961
bring a laptop

>>181030030
guns have already been shooting since your first post

proceed to next step

>>181030097
Making the player able to switch guns is the next step. And now that's done! Now I am making pickups to refill the player's ammo, which is part of the shooting.

>>181030097
>proceed to next step

that hits hard yo

>>181030030
Guns are done, show us some enemy progress today

>>181030048
That poor man is going to die, I need to stop the bleeding. But I need to fix this fucking bug first or I won't make it in time for Demo Day.

>>181030551
>if I bleed, no time for demo day
>if I dev for demo day, no time for bleeding
genius

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>his game has the premade engine look

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This image should be the permanent OP pic. It will never stop being relevant. See >>181031142

>>181031298
but he's right, one of the best things you can do is get an artist knowledgeable with your engine and tell him to make your shit look less unnamed.bmp

>>181031464
I could make a post saying
>the sky is not blue
and attach a picture of a frog. That wouldn't make it not a shitpost.

FUCK ART

>>181031464
>but he's right
Anons really need to stop backing themselves up like this. It's fucking embarrassing.

>>181031965
but he's right

>>181031965
t. not samefag sorry

>>181031961
this anon is right

>>181031965
this person who is not myself shares an opinion with me that is objective reality, and not myself

not him btw

>>181031961
fuckable art is best art

players are the worst part of gamedev
making concessions for the lowest common denominator continues to be a terrible mistake

>>181026281
I think weight systems can be good but games like Skyrim have you carry so many fucking items that instead of making meaningful choices about what to carry you have to constantly figure out what garbage you have is the most worthless and shave just as little off as you can in order to pick up the next slightly less worthless garbage.

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>>181032994
Don't you want to be a real game developer

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>>181032994

sorry not sorry

>>181032994
Don't pretend you know, nodev.

>>181033106
>>181032994

An old coworker once told me something really important one day when I was bitching about customers using our super simple website the wrong way. He said 'You must understand that the average IQ is 100, and almost 50% of people are below that'

Don't be frustrated when people don't understand what seems simple to you, they are probably legitimately dumb.

>>181033198
This actually

>>181033106
>main gameplay is about going the straight forward path of violence
>suddenly an incognito section
>hurr players didn't know how to do a thing they had been taught not to do by all previous missions

this sorta thing is an example of poor planning or more precisely, a decision in plan which didn't have a proper reason
if they actually tried to pair their planned bulletpoints with "why? for what purpose? does it mesh with existing stuff?" then it would have been apparent right away that revisions have to be made to this mission

I need to reach these kids.

>>181033485
its a sane decision tho
>be low health
>no way to heal
>to progress, have to get that thing in the bottom of the pool
>can't finish the quest because cannot retrieve the final item without drowning

Am I touching kids?

>>181034121
what the fuck even was that, was it a reference to something? I didn't get it at all

>>181033951
isnt that what playtesting is for?

>>181034198
>two feet of water
>pool

>>181034247
HOW CAN I REACH DESE KEEEEDZ

>>181034198
being low health is the players fault

>>181025703
http://mega.nz/#F!zdp3mQYA!UnvtWk-19eWzuTIgzOwVHQ

>>181034198
If the player had a work ethic he wouldn't be low on health.

>>181034280
It's very easy to misinterpret playtesting issues, something that is perceived as hard to the playtester might be due to a communication issue rather than actual difficulty, they could have made drowning more obvious for example.
Also it's idiotic to change something because a single playtester is retarded and that's what made Portal 2 so shitty compared to 1.

>>181033485
>half life
It's 2017 grandpa.

>>181034645
the hl issues are completely different to the dishonoeed issues

>>181034645
If your game is going to be played by millions then that one retard may well represent the experience of thousands of players.

>>181034198
Yeah they found a fundamentally bad design and fixed it. This anon is just being a queen about GAYYMuRRZZZ
>>181032994
>>181033485

>>181034321
>>181034425
>>181034529
It was easy enough for them to deduce that if one person drowned like that others would and it wasn't what they wanted. It was just a bad design. Why are you so rustled?

>>181034859
HL2 is not so bad with the overcompensation but Dishonered and Portal 2 really suffered by holding the player's hand way too much instead of teaching properly and letting the player play on his own pace.

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HALP

i need to redo the minimap icons so they are clearer and more memorable..

what color / shape would you associate with:

> level exit
> item
> weapon
> health
> ammo

???
+ should i change the player icon (black circle) to a MGS-radar style view triangle?

Game Design isn't Game Development.

Please go away.

>>181035171
> level exit
stairs
> item
potion
> weapon
sword/gun
> health
heart
> ammo
ammo clip

>>181034645
>Also it's idiotic to change something because a single playtester is retarded
He most likely wasn't retarded and had instead taken enough damage that 1 second of gasping (taking damage to effect drowning) was enough to kill him. Not a huge fuck up on his part, something they knew other players would have to deal with and it would annoy them more than necessary to retrieve an item that shouldn't risk killing you to get it.

Level and game designers are allowed to judge how valuable their items should be. They didn't want 5% of the playerbase drowning and being annoyed for this particular item. They are allowed to make that call. It's not "gamers" fault. It is why playtesting is done.

Have you ever even made a game and had someone play it? Doesn't seem like it.

>>181035192
Why?

>>181035007
instead of fixing the problem they gave up and dumbed the game down

>>181035304
thats cool, the problem is that my in-game pickups aren't hearts or stairs.

the exit is a door. health is food like apples/carrots.

maybe that doesn't matter hmmm

>>181035315
They could have changed the drowning mechanics instead, drowning in Valve games is actually pretty shitty since there's no indication at all that you are about to lose health, not even a sound or anything. I consider that a communication issue.

>>181035402
>instead of fixing the problem
What was the fix?

>>181035442
It doesn't matter what they are in actuality, the icon symbolism still works.

>>181035453
>They could have changed the drowning mechanics instead
Yeah they should change something that applies to a huge swath of environments throughout the game to suit an edge case of playtesting.

You know perspective matters, so when you turn these mole hills into mountains you look kind of silly to real game devs.

>>181035531
cool, cheers i'll give it a go

>>181035495
providing the player with means to overcome the pool

>>181035453
Wait so are they wrong for changing the game to suit the player who drowned or not?

>>181034529
if the player had a work ethic he'd be contributing to society rather than playing an ebin fps

>>181026101
remove content
bonus points for first day dlc

>>181035752
And what exactly does that mean? Are you just blowing smoke?

>>181035192
this explains AGDG

>>181035171
make them bigger and/or draw them better
currently, I just see green dots, grey dots and pink dots
Before you wrote that they actually ARE a door, a chest and whatever the grey thing is, I actually thought that they were just colored dots.

>>181035689
You are one humongous retard, Valve's drowning system sucks everywhere in all their games and not just that in one specific situation.
They don't even need to change the mechanics, literally just add a clear warning before you lose health.

Also I know how important playtesting is and I consider it extremely important, I already improved my game a lot thanks to it so you can shut the fuck up with your "where's your game" routine.

>>181035809
They are not wrong in changing it, but they changed it in the wrong way and never fixed the core issue which is communication.

>>181035402
What you call "dumbed the game down" was really just a level designer doing his job. Did removing the threat of drowning for a portion of players rob value from other players? No, it made no difference to the overall pace and difficulty of the game. How then was it dumbing down?

>>181035963
can you really not tell the difference between removing the pool and giving the player the means to not die in it?

>>181026246
>2020
>Traffic Control sims

How did you know what I'm working on as a side project? Skylines' engine is insufficient for it though.

>reverse MOBAs
>you have to build the enemy's ancient from the ground up
>then build the towers
>first to finish building the towers and gets courier to enemy spawn wins the game

That could be a dota2 mod, actually.

>>181036038
>You are one humongous retard, Valve's drowning system sucks everywhere in all their games and not just that in one specific situation.
Slow down, friend.

If valve's drowning system is to blame why were were ranting about how evil the player is for daring to drown in that portion and have the collectible repositioned for them?

I guess it's okay to change fundamental mechanics of the game to pander to gamers who are somehow at fault, but it's not okay to make a minor level design change?

:^) You're losing me.

>>181036130
they removed an obstacle simply because it was possible to fail. thats a game designer doing a poor job

>>181036038
>They are not wrong in changing it
Then why are you unhappy with the change they made?
>they changed it in the wrong way
You're making the discussion about something else now. This is sad to watch.

>>181036380
If they intended for players to have the threat of drowning in that segment do you think they would have removed the obstacle?

It wasn't an intended obstacle. So they fixed it. Have you ever made a game and done level design?

>>181036276
who said its not okay to change level design for a good reason? this is a change made for the wrong reasons

>>181036276
It really is one tiny change that doesn't matter, like I said HL2 is not so bad with the dumbing down but the newer games suffer a lot from it because they want to make the experience as smooth as possible and forget about making the game challenging, Portal 2 for example is horrible in this aspect, the game practically plays itself while Portal 1 was a very enjoyable experience since you actually had to think a little in a puzzle game.

In Dishonored you could see the original intention of the designers being ruined by all the helpers and dumbed down mechanics.

>>181033387
I'm having a hard time believing you guys who are throwing rocks at mythic "players" for things have high IQs. Your reasoning for your opinions is too shallow.

>>181036527
except they DIDNT "fix it". they removed it.

>>181036552
>who said its not okay to change level design for a good reason?
You. You said it was dumbing the game down.
>this is a change made for the wrong reasons
So it's okay to dumb the game down (change it to appropriately offer the experience desired) for the right reasons?

>>181036752
removal is also a fix ;^)

>>181036752
That was the fix. Remove the unintended obstacle.

Are you having a hard time with this? It seems maybe it is best to end the conversation here. Best of luck to you with your game :^)

>>181036789
making chages for wrong reasons is dumbing the game down. proper changes are not. its not rocket science

>>181036631
Also the player never learned to fear being drowned since it was a mechanic that was never used before in the game, again a communication problem similar to Dishonored's.

What is everyone's thoughts on the Duality engine?
I'm looking for a 2D engine that can do C# and don't feel like using Unity since it's primarily 3D.

>>181036918
So changing the level design to better offer the intended experience is wrong?

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>>181028884
Another lil' item while I warm up back to the real devving, this part sure is fun to do but I got to get back to the background stuff.

>>181036967
unity is great for 2D, ignore nodev shitposters and godot shills

>>181036967
>I'm looking for a 2D engine that can do C#
Godot 3.0

>>181036882
removing your game is how you fix it huh. thats not a fix. no obstacle is not the same as a fixed obstacle

>>181036967
use whatever the fuck you want as long as you just like make game.

>>181037053
I've tried using Unity for 2D, it just feels so clunky

>>181037063
Is 3.0 out yet?

>>181037081
So fixing a level design flaw is now "removing the game"? Your reasoning seems too radical to be attached to reality.

>>181036878
its not. its avoiding the problem instead of working on a solution.

>>181037081
>once something is in the game it can never be removed!
:laughing:

>>181037049
>sword lenght

>>181037003
the game designers used water because they intended to have water. thats the "intended experience". they gave up on the intended experience when they removed the pool instead of coming up with a way to make it work

>>181037230
>tfw height and width and length fuck me up every time and I write those about 5 times per day in code

If height is height why isn't width, widht.

>>181037373
yes, and?

>>181037225
like i said it can be removed for the right reason, which is not this case

>>181037149
no but the feature-complete alpha should be soonish

>arguing about some moron drowning in a two feet puddle
lmao nodevs

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Progress!
You can now throw items and when they land, the nearby wolves will be alerted and will go check it out (the white sphere is just for visualization). Took way longer than it should have, but it gave me a chance to refactor some code.

I noticed some small bugs that I need to fix, like that you some times can't select an item to hold in the inventory, or that if more than one item is near you, you can only pick up the first one, then get far and then get close to it again to interact with it (classic trigger collider problem), but they should be easy to fix.

>>181036380
>>181036552
>>181036752
>>181036918
>>181037081
If you have an unintentional missing face in your map and someone falls through the floor you don't blame the player and then not fix the gap they fell through. That's not refusing to dumb things down, that's being a twat. Everything about your side of the argument wafts of fantasy powertripping by a nodev who has never made anything someone else has played let alone hundreds or more people who then report various things.

>>181037185
except they didnt fix the issue with the obstacle. they removed the obstacle entirely.

>>181037472
>a player found your mistake
>IT IS NOW WRONG TO FIX IT
You are an idiot.

>>181037230
I blame it on English not being my native language. That's my excuse anyways, thanks for pointing it out.

>>181037517
what the fuck are you talking about
a bug killing the player has nothing to do with bad communication

>>181037517
your side of argument is basically false analogies and ad hominem

>>181036967
Picking an engine based on the language it uses for scripting a pretty stupid thing, learning a new language is pretty easy compared to learning the rest of the engine.
There are far more important variables you should be looking for like performance, bugs, target platforms, features, etc etc

>>181037636
its not wrong to fix it but they didnt fix it they removed the obstacle entirely

>>181037676
>>181037751
You've never made a game and it's really obvious by now so just hush for a bit kay?

>>181037751
>MUH ORIGINEL VISION
welcome to the harsh reality of creating games for others instead of just for yourself

>>181037880
whatever helps you sleep at night

>>181038114
so one is actually objectively more right than the other?

>>181038114
Replace fact with game

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>tfw instead of turning on the autopilot for my game I'm improving and teaching mechanics more clearly
It's harder but worth it.

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reminder to preserve your health

Still figuring out how to apply friction in 3D.
Last thread someone suggested velocity/scalarValue * (-1), but I don't know how to clamp the velocity properly, since it needs to range from -speed to +speed, but also not go past 0 when no input is found.

Any ideas?

>>181037513
What else are you planning to implement here? Atm it is still too basic and doesn't look fun enough to play.

Allowing the chance of player death is very literally abuse. I know it's probably an unpopular opinion here but I don't care. Nobody is buying a game and investing time into it to be told "Game Over" or search around on a fucking confusing map for an hour trying to figure out what to do.

>>181038336
what game?

>>181037513
> displaying controls on the GUI
don't

>>181038372
Reminds me of the yoga pose where you make your body a V shape. It's hard as fuck. You can actually get pretty /fit/ doing yoga, but most people never look into it because it's gotten popular/mom-tier

can complex, teambased multiplayer games work?

>>181037913
making games for others doesnt mean a designer has to stop solving the design problems and instead avoid the problems

>>181035752
>>181036138
>>181037846
Why are you making this so difficult? Explain to us how the problem should have been fixed in clear terms. You sound like a major phony right now and you brought the topic up didn't you? Cmon mate.

>>181038336
you'll also get better at making games in the future

>>181037049

the effects look stunning.

couldn't help that when he swings his sword there seems to be a second sword that remains static. you're gonna change this later on, right ?

>>181038642
>You sound like a major phony right now and you brought the topic up didn't you? Cmon mate.
We were supposed to fellate him and praise his astute observations about gayymurrrssss and how they ruined games because playtesting.
Typical /v/ shitter mentality kiddos who never made a game thinking their opinions on game gevelopment hold water.

>>181038642
make drowning clearer and perhaps teach the player the drowning mechanics before in a more controller environment, simple as that

>>181038336
Same.
Considered using RigidBody to make movement but it's so braindead any old pleb could do it.

>>181038708
>man with no games in heated debate with man with no games over some third party's game

>>181038708
kek

>>181038605
>games
yes, with a lot of effort
>multiplayer
yes, with twice as much effort
>teambased
yes, with 10x as much effort
>complex
yes, with 100x as much effort

>>181038829
>make drowning clearer
They did not want anyone to drown in that spot. Drowning is not even the issue.

>>181038571

the problem with yoga is that it doesn't build any kind of muscle. don't get me wrong you'll get very strong, there just won't be any increase in muscle size.
while I'm not exactly aiming to get super big with exercise i'd at least like some increase in muscle mass for a nice athletic look.

>>181039006
Then make it clearer and no one would get hurt.

>>181038642
there are a billion ways that range from using never having to get into the pool in the first place to allowing the player to drain the water or health packs

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>>181038861
DLETE

>>181028884
a pixel dungeon game where i can get swords and fight skeletons!

been waitin ages to play something like this :^)

>>181038829
That sounds awfully different from "overcome the pool" >>181035752

Seems to me you're just taking this anon's suggestion now (which was still off the mark). >>181035453

This is embarrassing for you.

So what was all that shit about Gogem having a team now and working on a Western game?
Does anyone have the youtube link to the trailer, or to the pictures?

>>181026779
I second the html being shit part. The rest is amazing though.

>>181039121
I'm not the same anon senpai, I disagree with removing the pool because just the possibility of dying to it makes the game more interesting but not harder if drowning is very clearly communicated.

>>181039071
>make it clearer
You mean change the game? Because someone drowned? Isn't that WRONG though?

Holy fuck you are really struggling to cling to even a single thread of your argument. You're just trolling for (You)s right?

>>181038386
are you serious? if friction > velocity friction = 0 velocity = 0

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>>181039149
you mean this shit?

>>181039079
But that would be changing the game for the wrong reasons anon remember? :^)

>>181039267
>teaching a mechanic properly is the same as removing a mechanic
No anon, fuck you and your terrible arguments.

>>181038414
Well, I have some things played but I think it's going to stay very simple anyway.
>player can sneak/crawl to hide behind shorter objects
>different types of wolves with slightly different behaviors
>wolves will kick or throw away rocks when they find them on the ground
>wolves will eat cakes (this will distract them, but you'll lose the cake forever, which means less points for you)
>some wolves will be made to guard a certain object, and if it's not there they will be alerted and start looking around
I don't think any of this will ready for Demo Day though.

Do you have any suggestion to make it more fun and complex?

>>181039391
You can lmasterfulgo.proead a horse to watemasterfulgo.pror but you must bmasterfulgo.prouy my gamasterfulgo.prome

>>181039262
>the possibility of dying to it makes the game more interesting
Not if it's a freak incident that shouldn't happen, unless you want bugs and glitches in your game because they're "interesting".

Do you need playtesting explained to you in literal terms?

>>181039391
Platform masters has taken a turn for the worse

they should have made the pool even larger
and made it lava

>>181039419
When did I say "remove" instead of change?
Anon you are really really struggling. I would give up if I were you. On many things, not just this argument.

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>>181039552
masterfulgo.pro

>>181039523
Dying to the first headcrab also shouldn't ever happen, does that mean the headcrab shouldn't exist? Should it die automatically once the player goes below 50 health? Or maybe make it not deal damage at all?
Dying shouldn't happen so clearly HL2 is a very flawed game with all the headcrabs and pools of water everywhere.

>>181039053
pathetic

>>181039710
>Dying to the first headcrab also shouldn't ever happen
Says who?

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I have no idea what I'm tweaking whatsoever but it feels a little better than before.

>>181039759
The toddler playtester that died to it.

>>181039797
common sense

>I'm gonna scare away 90% of my playerbase in the first 5 minutes, what a great idea

>>181039710
Enemies are intended to kill you, anon. 2 foot pools of water they didn't intend to drown someone are not.

It's amazing how defunct your brain has to be to still think valve is wrong for what they did. You think there is actual reasoning to your argument even though there is none and it's so easily dismantled everytime.

Just stop.

>>181039931
How did you go from saying "changing this pool of water is TOO CASUAL" to "NOO DON'T SCARE TEH PLAYER"
Do you even have any principles in this argument or are you just mental?

>>181039941
see >>181036631
The pool of water doesn't matter, what matters is the reasoning behind its removal.

Now stop repeating your shitty strawman arguments.

In single player rpgs, do you prefer hard stat caps or soft stat caps

>>181040193
>what matters is the reasoning behind its removal.
I agree. The reasoning was sound. Nothing you've said is.

>>181040217
I'm not a fan of manually increasing stats but soft caps are better in my opinion.

>thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04F4xlWSFh0

>>181039414
providing the player with the means to overcome the obstacles present in the game is a good reason

>tfw I died to that huge chimney falling on me in the airboat section because no one taught me that huge falling chimneys are dangerous
WTF REMOVE

>>181040470
No because the player who died was a toddler there is no need to change the game or add that, remember?

>>181037481
Alright
I'll check it out when it's out

>don't change your game for playtesters
>don't do this
>don't do that
This is not gamedev.

>>181039489
I'm not sure at the moment, but the wolf seems pretty slow, I'm not sure how it would look like with more enemies at this point, but yeah, having multiple classes, e.g. one is faster but has a smaller fov etc., should spice things up.

Because I have the exact same mechanics I implemented by following a beginner's tutorial, but for me that's way too basic to do anything with it.

>>181040139
>10 mins later no reply
Shocking

>tfw my AI is a bit buggy and doesn't always do what I expect him to do
>"Eh, it's a feature, it makes him more interesting and unpredictable to the player"

>>181040682
No one is saying to not change something, just make that something clearer so the player isn't taken by surprise.

>>181040810
t. bethesda

>>181040357
They are gonna automatically develop with exp

>>181040217
Generally speaking, softcaps leave more of a possibility for highly specialized builds whereas hardcaps do a lot to remove the possibility of making that decision.

In the end it comes down to how a particular game is balanced (your hardcaps could be so high that they never come into play, in which case my earlier general statement would be inaccurate), but I find softcaps to be more interesting.

>>181040842
If it improved the gameplay, who cares. R-right?

>>181040813
>make that something clearer so the player isn't taken by surprise.
No it's the players fault remember? Changing the game because 1 person drowned in playtesting is wrong, remember?

Oh wait I forgot you can't pick an actual principle to argue with because you're a whisp of hot air. A fart.

>>181040535
if your game is intended to be played by toddlers you should provide the tools that would allow a toddler to overcome the obstacle

>>181040959
I never said that, what are you talking about?
Are you even capable of forming a single argument that isn't some nonsensical straw man? It makes you look like an idiot.

>>181038372
Source? I couldn't find anything myself. I'm interested in manga that focuses on physical fitness development.

>>181040813
>No one is saying to not change something
>>181033485
>>181034425
>>181034529
>>181034645
>it's idiotic to change something because a single playtester is retarded

Now shut the fuck up and stop samefagging for (You)s.

>>181040810
I assume you're just memetexting and don't even have a game, but if you're not, then having genuinely unpredictable AI is not a good thing because it reduces the impact of the player's skill in contending with the AI. You could make the argument that it increases the necessity of improvisational play, but being forced to mitigate spastic AI isn't typically an enjoyable experience.

>>181041063
Learn to follow a conversation, fuckwit >>181041201

>>181041180
http://mangakakalot.com/manga/danberu_nan_kiro_moteru

>playtester walks continuously into wall for four hours
>better remove all walls from our levels

>>181040813
>No one is saying to not change something
Except that's wrong and that's literally what was said until you retards started mutating your opinions on us. Shut the fuck up already you waste of oxygen.

>>181041201
I have been saying the whole time that drowning should be clearer instead of removing the danger altogether but apparently you can only cherrypick and do retarded straw mans to defend your point which is a clear sign that you have no argument at all.

>>181040853
If stats automatically develop with experience and can't be manually assigned then the only thing softcaps achieve over hardcaps is allowing the player to grind more, unless you employ softcaps in tandem with hardcaps in which case all you've done is create a power curve for the player. Either way it's a hugely irrelevant question if stats can't be manually assigned.

>>181040810
The pink ghost in Pac-Man actually has a bug which makes it more interesting, it's not unpredictable though.

>>181041461
Listen you stupid cunt you already said "nobody said it shouldn't be changed" which was wrong, you weren't even paying attention to the conversation. Stop acting like you were a sensible participant in the debate and kill yourself. >>181041201

>>181038694
Thanks! Well got to see how hard it'll be in the end, coding in an animation system is trivial if I have the sprites, but sprites take me ages to do and the scope is already huge, I'd rather have lots of enemies and different movesets instead.

>>181041301
I was memeing because I will fix it anyway, but it was nothing special, if it detects me by hearing instead of sight, it doesn't go back to his patrol point when I leave his fov, and the only way to escape him in that case is to run far enough. Makes him look like he doesn't always quit too soon, but instead sometimes gets lucky and continues running in the right direction.

POST YOUR GAME HOLY SHIT

>>181041663
The only post from me that you quoted was >>181034645 which still perfectly fits with what I'm saying right now.
now kys and stop being retarded

>>181041461
>I have been saying the whole time
Nobody cares what you have to say. You weren't even reading posts.

a game where you drown in two feet of water

Ask me about my art.
after you've told me about your game

>>181041865
My game is a text adventure about orcs.
What about your art?

>>181041787
I don't care which post was yours, they are all wrong. Drink bleach and stop begging for an argument.

>>181041584
>have softcaps
>have skill decay

there you have it

another solution - make it not possible to grind or make it not feasible to grind

1 - 50 skill level comes with fairly reasonable pace
50 - 100+ is unreasonably slow, forcing players to dump their money into skill trainers

its like real life. attaining "good enough" in a skill is easy. Learning all the tips and tricks will take a lifetime, unless someone speeds up the process by teach how to do smth like a pro

>>181041945
>>181041924
>>181041816
>>181041793
>>181041787
POST
YOUR
GAME

>>181041787
I have been reading the whole thread and still think you are plain retarded with a very scattered mind and flimsy "arguments", you must have some kind of mental illness if you misinterpret posts this hard and this often.

>>181041731
Btw, I can't replicate the problem anymore and I didn't change anything. Hahaha, where is my knife?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r2k7-ijX5Y

>>181026000
This question makes no sense, and a few years later you'll see why. An engine, a language is just a tool to create something. You don't hammer a nail with a saw, and you don't cut wood with a hammer. There are tools good for most purposes, but sometimes you have to understand what you really want and find out what is the best tool to execute it with.

>>181042074
It is mental illness for sure. Taking sides of arguments and then constantly backpedaling
>THAT WASN'T EVEN ME THOUGH

>>181033951
I thought Dishonored was the type of game that you could play non lethal as well? Surely simply having been taught the tools of the game, a key one being teleportation, a person of average intelligence could figure out that anywhere you can teleport you can go.

When you make some very simple basic Unreal Engine 4 game and make it standalone, is it fucking huge?
Unity had that problem where every demo I made was gigantic.

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>>181039759
For some reason I always tend to think that it's vampire girl in that box.

>>181042218
You keep repeating yourself and you are now claiming that I'm lying about my posts just to pretend that you somehow "won" an argument, I never changed my argument
Sorry bud but you are very much insane.

>>181042074
>you must have some kind of mental illness if you misinterpret posts this hard and this often.
This is how some of them get through the day it's just how they pass time. By "them" i mean nodevs of course.

>>181042335
It'll be ~70mb

>>181042341
Now THAT is gameplay

>>181042341
I know this is progress but you're on a fucking blue board amigo

>>181042367
Shut the fuck up and sit your retarded ass down nobody wants to hear from you boy

>>181042441
>I know this is progress
it's not though, it's just a reposted webm from months ago

>mfw there is legitimately a choreographed shitpost stream that waits for a topic to end and then starts shit again

>>181042549
What makes game development such a good target for shitposting?

>BUT THAT ANON WASN'T MEEEEE
Learn to fucking 4chan holy shit.

I wasn't around for a few months, do you know what's up with

Tender Arms
Theonian
Metanoia
RogueLike dev (last project being Tiny Siege)
Skylarks
Moth Girl Shooter

Just to name a few.

>>181042626
It's not gamedev, it's 4chan. Same happens on /mu/ on several generals.

>>181042659
>>181002063

>>181042626
You obviously haven't spent much time on /vg/ or anywhere

>>181042659
All dead

>>181041737
where is your game?

>he thinks arguments about game design topics are "shitposting"
So this is nu-agdg

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MMO progress:
Can actually see other players moving. And global chat works, though there's no nicknames yet.

>>181042659
>Tender Arms
Dev switched to something else but not dead
>Metanoia
I think they released this?
>Skylarks
Was never a real game, just a meme made by a shitposter
>Theonian
>RogueLike dev (last project being Tiny Siege)
>Moth Girl Shooter
I think all these died

>>181042768
Other threads shitposts are very cute and fun but ours are shit

>>181042896
very nice

>>181042659
>Tender Arms
still devving, currently remaking his game on godot
>Theonian
made some models recently for dregs (the boxy ragdoll guy game)
>Metanoia
dunno
>RogueLike dev (last project being Tiny Siege)
in maybedev limbo
>Skylarks
>Moth Girl Shooter
still devving

>>181042896
sell it as an erp platform

>>181043037
[smuganime]
>Unity

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>>181043046
>Theonian is finally with a real yesdev

>>181043072
obviously that's the whole idea

Do any of you losers have a tutorial on opengl 3.1 ?

>>181043037
I reckon you're an AGDG shiposter giving themselves too much credit, go look at starcraft 2 general if you want to see somewhere shitposters actually won.

>>181043046
>still devving, currently remaking his game on godot

Is there any reason whatsoever you'd use something other than Unity here?

>>181043037
because agdg deserves it

>>181043653
a simple 2D game shouldn't need to drain a smartphone battery in 1 hour

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>>181035171
>>181035304
>>181036029
ok so how much better are these?

can u tell what shit is just by looking?

>>181043653
Because le Unity is trash

>>181043865
I can't tell what the blue things are

>>181043865
It's like 10 times better and clearer now.

>>181035171
>>181043865
You ever play BLOOD , dev?

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>>181042896
That's really cool but don't you have to be a madman to try and make an mmo?

when does godot 3 even release?
how is godot even pronounced?

Shill here
Send me your games so I can shill them.

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>>181038372
>Mfw I've had a weird pain in the side of my back for like a year now and this excercise actually relieved it more than anything else I've tried

>>181044304
in a few months
godot

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Still stuck on making good, tight movement.
Currently I'm dealing with acceleration/deceleration via X and Z axis separately. Is this a good way to go about it, or would using the vector's magnitude or some other way be preferable?

Can't figure out how to implement it with + and - axis values.

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it's a zombie game but replace every zombie with 20 skeletons

>>181043046
>>181042909
>>181042835
>>181042758
Thanks!

>Tender Arms
>still devving, currently remaking his game on godot
My favorite engine dev. Nooo! ;_;

>Theonian
>made some models recently for dregs (the boxy ragdoll guy game)
I'm happy for him. I remember him saying he'll go to some sort of 3D design/modeling college. Hope he'll succeed.

>Skylarks
>Moth Girl Shooter
>still devving
Good news.

For the people who use GMS2, say for example I start a new project with Drag and Drop, can I seemlessly switch and just do it in GML as well if there is something in D&D that cannot be made?

>>181038605
Yes, but it's imperative that you design them with PUGtards in mind because most gamers don't have friends.

And for the love of God copy SMITE's pre-recorded voice line system.

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>>181044734
>he's not a zombie
>where are the zombies?

>>181044304
Your questions answer each other. Godot is named after the movie Waiting for Godot, because the movie is about a guy who never shows up and the joke is you'll be waiting forever for the next version.

>>181028884
Hey that looks really neat. Do you already have a presence outside of agdg where I can follow the development?

platformer physics?

>>181045330
you mean the book?
Wow they did a movie with that? I remember reading it in HS.

>>181029235
Why the fuck cant they just attach the audio to an empty non rendering object in the very least, instead of needing a floating piece of furniture hiding behind a picked door to deliver Whispering Lady's dialogue

And why cant a train mesh move on its own without having to be worn as a hat on some poor npc head

>girl coming over soon to fuck
>Feels bad because I won't be making progress in that time
This isn't how it was supposed to be

>>181045330
>>181045431
>movie
>book
It's a play. There's a video of the play being preformed.

>>181045431
>>181045615
It's an epic poem you inbreds

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Daily reminder that 3D games are like 3D women

>>181045715
It's a web anime you retards

>>181045715
>>181045615
it's an epikku haiku you fucking mongoloids

>>181045741
>Daily reminder that 3D games are like 3D women
Real?

>>181045741
Easy and attractive?

>>181044293
I don't know, but I wanna to try it.

>>181045878
>attractive
You almost got me, anon.

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>>181045878
>3D women
>attractive

>>181045741
More satisfying and a better long term commitment than 2D. Good analogy.

>>181026281
>>181025703
>>181034436
What are some good ones on netcode?

>>181045368
Got a tumblr page http://knightdev.tumblr.com/
Also twitter but it's the same stuff.