/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

Remember everyone:

Don't invade to kill the host

Invade to make the host want to kill themselves

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First for the DEEP

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So, as a grapist, you have to personally kill the phantoms for it to register towards your kill count, right? You can't just let mobs or others kill players for you?

>>180439881
>Don't invade high levels
>Don't invade to kill the host
Why is /dsg/ so bad at invading?

>>180440157
because /dsg/ thinks invasions are just unfair duels, instead of being about making hosts regret ever buying the game

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A solo host is just a ganker that hasn't summoned yet.

>>180440208
But that's exactly what >>180439881 advocates

>>180440157
>invading into gank squads where literally everything is stacked against you
>needing the covenant rewards at all instead of doing the invasion for the fun of it

redpill me on the falchion

>>180440680
People use curved swords for the speed so if you're using the heavier curved sword moveset you'd might as well use a straight sword for better damage and range

>>180440680
Good raw weapon for low level builds and spell blades, I think it's also the longest curved sword that isn't Pontiff's.

Not the DPS monster it used to be unfortunately.

>>180440248
this. don't trust a host no matter how his honor bows to you. If you attack one of his defenders...9/10 he WILL attack you from behind

attack without mercy and don't pause if he chugs the sunny d

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I want to own a pet hollow cleric

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>>180440248
>host fights without summons until it becomes clear he's not going to win

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how much poise do you ideally want when using ultra-weapons? CGS' included

>>180440525
you're misreading

"invade to kill the host" = invading pretending it's a duel

"invade to make the host want to kill themselves" = invade to troll, waste their time, prevent them from reaching the boss, make mistakes, and make playing the game an overall terrible experience until they want to commit suicide

>>180441117
30 is a good baseline minimum to hit. You can't really get far past 40 without dumping into Vit and going full Havel's or full Morne's.

>>180440929
>Good raw weapon for low level builds and spell blades, I think it's also the longest curved sword that isn't Pontiff's.

God no, it's one of the shortest when 1 or 2 handed with only the Shotel and Crescent Moon Sword being shorter.

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>Duel on arena
>Opponent applies a buff
>I fire a crossbow at him
>He applauds
What do they mean by this? It happens like half the time I duel a buff build.
Is it "Congratulations, you have found a flaw in my buff build, by exploiting my only weakness which is being vulnerable when I buff, you have outsmarted me" or "You're such a no honor faggot"?

>I can Beat DS3+7 with ease
>Can't beat Moonlight Butterfly or Gargoyles in DS

What the fuck

>>180441117
Depends on which ultra weapon and what you want to poise through. Calculate yourself.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o3Rs86GQ0WgRO7EJYJWKhYav8-80JSKxRTBEBVOLGCo/edit#gid=1904222143

>>180441498
>DS1 bosses don't stagger on every hit
>DS1 bosses don't let you roll twice in a row easily

going back to DS1 is really hard after DS3 because you're used to rolling as soon as you need to roll and then just keep mashing roll afterward. But in DS1 the stamina cost and delay between rolls is so long that enemies like the butterfly or gargoyles will just clip you every time you roll too early.

you forgot how to use a shield

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>>180441474
Reminds me, but did everyone start using the stay down gesture after ringed city DLC launched, only time I happened to notice it's usage

>>180441349
Are you thinking of the Scimitar?
Falchion can't be that much shorter than FS and CCS, at least from what I remember.

It's definitely longer than Ghru, Scimitar, painting guardians and I'm pretty sure Sellsword as well.

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I know that they're fine as pacific enemies and that Souls isn't a series for laughs but i would've liked these to have their own "i shall partake" with a ridiculously high voice.

>>180441683
The model hitbox may be longer but the effective attack hitbox is one of the shortest. The Scimitar is actually one of the longest Curved Sword 2HR1 hitboxes even if the 1HR1 is shorter. The Rotten Ghru and Painting Guardian Sword are also effectively longer than the Falchion 2H now since the TRC patch stealth buffed their range. Here's a good general list of weapon ranges in practice with more info:

https://www.reddit.com/r/opensouls3/comments/5hmxyf/list_of_weapon_attack_ranges_updated/

>>180441498
>>180441637
Also I believe you can't roll at an angle in the first souls, only left/ right, foward/back

>>180441474
>dueling in arena
That was your first mistake.

The last 100 levels must take more than the previous 700

>>180442064

you heading for 99 every stat bro?

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>>180441680
You mean Point Down?
Yeah, it was always used as a BM gesture, but now people use it more to anger the newcomers from the DLC.
It's fascinating how one of the worst BM gestures from old games became the most popular one in Dark Souls 3, despite being downgraded to a direction command.
I hate how "No Way", "Mock", "This one is on me", "Look Skyward" and "Decapitation" was removed, it seems like every gesture that angered sissies was removed on purpose and now we are left with castrated Stay Down and Sarcastic Clapping.

>>180442185
Yep. Even by item swapping great champion souls and popping 99s, it takes forever. I'm sl730 and each levels costs ~10mil

>>180442326

I bet the legit-methods max level club is even more exclusive than the BB platinum club, since even cheating takes a lot of time.

I'm sure at some point you'd just be rushing NGs to get back to Yoel for five levels.

>>180441474
)you

>>180442315

At least I've still got Duel Bow.

>>180442478
Duel bow is trash. Dignified bow if you're gonna be fancy, proper if you're a slut, otherwise regular

>>180442315
>tfw I still call it stay down gesture from countless people using it and some shit I remember from injustice
Yeah I semi miss the good old fashion well? What is it! Gesture. That does seem like a good point though about the DLC.

>>180442326
It's about 2.6 billion souls from 1-802, but any gains after 400~ are pretty much worthless.

At what level does everyone and their mother stop using the dragonslayers axe?

>>180442576

That's what's good about Duel Bow, it's so obsequious that it loops back around to being enraging.

I mean, imagine that some guy just killed you by running up and hornetstabbing you in the back while you're fighting a ringed knight. You pivot your camera, ready for a point down or applause, but instead you get this elaborate bow. Like he thinks it was honorable, like he thought it was a good fight, like he did something there. Don't you feel your blood just boiling? That's what I always imagine it's like on the other side, and I imagine my character pointing a big, shit-eating grin down at the corpse as he does it.

>>180442315
I don't really get why nobody uses "Welcome".

"Well, what is it?" will always be a classic to me and "Welcome" looks just like it.

>>180442898
No, not really. Regular or proper bow would achieve this better. At least for me

>>180442847
DSA stops being good once you get out of low-level twink territory. Ultimately that means transitioning up to the point where you can actually encounter Creighton in Irithyll, so around SL35 or so.

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>>180443089

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Why is parrying so fun

>>180441629
awesome resource thanks man

>>180443089
Based on recent Pvp experiences the game is in dire dire need of either a shrug emote, or a wood carving that says:
"What the fuck were you trying to do there, do you have brain problems?"

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this is what i hate about dark souls. only 2 cinders in and i want to try a different build

>>180444806
I know that feeling.

I've been fighting off a stupid desire to make a SL240 Havel The Rock character.

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Never played DS2 but I'm starting Scholar as a qt sorcerer and was wondering if you guys had any helpful advice. Spells, weapons, etc.

>>180444806
I know people already hate that you can rebirth to suit whatever the new hotness in the meta is so easily, but I really would have liked to have been able to change gender and starting class on NG+ cycles to make things less boring.

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>blade of the darkmoon summoned
>farron greatsword w/ shield of want
>immediately dies
Why do all darkmoons suck ass?

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>>180442430
>BB platinum club

I was curious about this so I did some comparison and number crunching

Looks like BB is actually fairly easy to platinum compared to other games.

>>180445023
Regular sorcery is trash in DaS2 PVE, I really wouldn't recommend it if you don't know the game.
All I can say is look up how to boost casting speed, how to get multiple copies of Soul Spear and pump ATN like crazy.

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>Decide to finally try DaS2 again
>Go Company Of Champions
>Die twice before reaching Melentia
Mhmm. Gonna be one of those days.

Also, SOUL MEMORY WERKS.

>>180444691
>"What the fuck were you trying to do there, do you have brain problems?"
Very Good! Faggot!

>>180445023
Pick one school of casting, and one physical stat. You will almost certainly find a weapon that suits you.

Level Adaptability.

Use Bonfire Ascetics at certain boss bonfires to get super good rings/spells/souls for weapons, each casting school has at least one.

>>180445587
Ignore this faggot, regular Sorceries are perfectly fine. You can get it online pretty fast because one of the early bosses gives you a soul that you can turn into one of two very good Magical damage weapons.

>>180445535
I'm surprised DaS3's is that close to BB's. I wouldn't say BB's is easy, if just for the Chalice Dungeons, but it doesn't really involve insane grinding or anything too tedious.

I watched a speedrunner get all achievements it in about 5 hours.

>>180445587
>>180445023
>Regular sorcery is trash in DaS2 PVE,
hahaha

haha

ha


>50 int magic staff of wisdom
>6 soul spear casts
>enchanted infusion
>enough great/heavy soul arrows to clear any area and beat any boss without even using herbs
>homing soul mass
>repair means near infinite use of special weapons and no bonfire sitting
>soul spear barrage
>strong magic shield trivializes all bosses

you can get all of that within a few hours of gameplay and only beating a few bosses. Sorcery is without a doubt the most OP early game class in DS2. It only becomes outdated around mid-late game when miracles get the dragon chime and you can invest enough to make hexes viable (45/30 or 30/45) for pve.

The only downside to sorcery in pve is the lack of healing options.

>>180445827
I think it's because DS3 still has a lot of "collect all these item" achievements whereas BB's hardest achievements are mostly bosses.

The next hardest achievement (after item grinding) for DS3 is Usurpation of the fire at 19% completion. So when it comes to non-grinding, ACVD and BB are by far the hardest games, with ACVD being about twice as hard (4% vs 7%) as BB.

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>>180439881
You aren't doing both??????

>>180445896
>repair means near infinite use of special weapons and no bonfire sitting

This was the fucking best with Major League Great Sword.
>spam beams all day
>reload beams by casting Repair
>continue spamming beams
>equip Old Iron King crown to replenish Repair

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>>180445823
>Ignore this faggot
>Gives pretty much the same advice

>>180445896
>you can get all of that within a few hours of gameplay and only beating a few bosses
I'm sure a first time player will know exactly how to get all that easily in a few hours of gameplay.

>>180441474
I remember I got hatemail from a dude once because I wouldn't wait while he applie three, yes three fucking buffs.

After that fight I decided to say 'fuck the arbitrary honor code' and just attack people as soon as I could. I suggest you do the same and pay these people no mind.

>>180446087
Half of that you can just buy from carhillon

The other half you just pick up by going to shaded woods.

The only thing on that list that might be tough to get is
>faintstone / magic stone
>repair
>a second copy of soul spear

none of which are really mandatory for an OP int build.

>>180445614
>Die twice more to turtle bullshit
And I'm hollow. Character deleted. Fuck it.

>>180445614
soul memory does work the guy is just muling / using CE.

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Are there any other spells I should consider for my 30/30 dark build? The ones im using mainly are force and greatheal. Invasions only so they seem to be the most relevant, any chip damage can be done better with bows and crossbows so I don't see a point of spells that hit for small damage and I'm not sure whether I should bother with nuke spells on 30/30 stats

>>180446349
Magic shield is the best buff in the entire game.

>>180444691
That last part time usually amounts to attempting to parry 2h ultras, in which case spamming parry over their corpse is good enough
>>180446301
If muling is enough to override soul memory (and it is) then it doesn't work. And the game is perfectly completable at 30k sm

>>180446451
not great magic, just the lower tier one?

>>180446230
>Half of that you can just buy from carhillon
So just Barrage and Soul Arrows?
Also, he's a first time player, you're assuming he knows how to route this at all even if he does look up the useful shit.

It's fine if you know where you're going, where to use ascetics, where to GET ascetics, how to prioritize your levels, which bosses drop rings and spells, NPC locations, what strategy is appropriate for bosses and all the other stuff that comes with experience.
Sorcery is rough going in blind.

>>180446738
The lower tier one is better since it lasts 60 seconds.

>>180446738
Great Magic Shield only lasts for 30 seconds, you won't get much use out of it unless you waste a ring slot on Lingering Dragoncrest. Regular Magic Shield lasts for a full minute.

>>180446803
It's still better than Miracles and even Pyromancies, even if you do know what you're doing in the other two cases. You can't even get started on Pyromancies until you beat at least two bosses and unlock an NPC with a consumable.

Sorceries are very straightforward and powerful from the get-go, and continue to get more powerful throughout the early game. Only Hexes are better.

>>180446349
>so I don't see a point of spells that hit for small damage
Try the Deep Soul spells. They're really good for closing in and chasing down fleeing enemies.

Luci come back to us

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>summoned by a guy in Undead Settlment
>he goes off to fuck around fighting an NPC while me and another phantom sits there
>BC's us out afterward
>turns out its a guy on my friend's list
Always a shame when you find out your friends with shit people.

Seriously though why do people think summons can fight NPCs still?

>>180447363
shut up luci

>>180447498
Wasn't me. I was busy posting in another thread.

>>180446349
They tend to be faster and harder to dodge so they are good for chipping out enemies or finishing of people that are trying to run away to heal.

>>180447830
shut up luci

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Stop replying to luci

Being a poisemonster is literally PvP easy mode

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>>180447371
What NPC they're fighting even?
Because the only NPC fight you can have summons in in Undead Settlement is Hodrick and he's a phantom and summons can definitely hurt him.

Unless he went out of his way to aggre Cornyx / Yoel (?).

>>180448614
Poise was better in DaS1. It is brain dead in the other games.

>>180448735
that doesn't explain your opinion at all

>>180448706
It was Eygil, and the best part was that when I messaged him he said he had summoned us for the fire demon before calling us both useless fucks and BCing us out.

>>180448875
>Eygil
Oh, Eygon.

>he had summoned us for the fire demon
Summons can't go to that area at all, right?

>>180448870
>>180448283

>>180448943
Why the fuck would I think its Eygil? My bad.
>he had summoned us for the fire demon
He clearly didn't know that.

>>180448735
>DS1 poise requires no thinking and just stacking high to never be staggered
>DS2 and DS3 poise require on-the-fly calculation, aren't always present, and have to adapt to your specific weapon and moveset
>DS1 is the least "braindead" in the series

sure whatever

>>180448982
Eygil was a character in DS2.
For whatever it's worth, Fromsoft really likes having similar sounding names for things across the games either as a reference or just because they like how it sounds.

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>>180449194
high IQ

>>180449275
>Leonhardt and Leonhard
>Patch and Patches
>more that I can't remember because it's too early in the morning

>>180449194
Nah, DaS1 poise required calculation because you could tell how much poise they had at a glance, you knew exactly how much poise damage each of your attacks did, and their poise was always on until you broke it.

In the other games, it's literally just mash R1 and hope.

>>180449275
Oh yeah, Eygil the pyromancer. Okay, now I feel a little better.

>>180449396
>required calculation
>because you could tell

These contradict. If you can tell at a glance, you don't have to calculate.

>it's literally just mash R1 and hope

this proves you don't know how DS2 or DS3 poise works and just played like a shitter the whole time. You could tell in both those games how much poise an enemy had at a glance (within a range of 10 points for DS2). but you had to actually do the math in your head to pair their weapon poise up with their regular poise, as well as constantly keep check of whether or not their poise was active. Which is easy to do if you're not braindead.

>>180449680
>calculation is the same as guessing
LOL, wut?

>>180449809
>he doesn't memorize poise values and just guesses instead

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This jump may as well be called "From Software are motherfucking assholes." Delay the jump to try and maximize distance and you'll bounce off the fucking rock into certain death.

Also, the fact that enemies don't take fall damage is fucking stupid.

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Reminder Poise is working as intended.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>downscaled
phantoms

>Crucifix of the Mad King is a really good looking pollaxe
>aesthetics completely ruined by the corpse around it
JUST

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>>180450656
There's too many broken/burnt/slab of molten shit type weapons.

>>180450656
It is a really nice looking weapon, would be cool if when you buffed it with blessed it removed the skelly

>>180450787
I 'get' why they do that and I think it's alright for there to be a mix of authentic and more fantastical designs (it's a matter of preference after all) but personally I mostly go for the more authentic/plausible looking weapons and armor.

The Ringed knights being the way they were is alright with me though because the base game already has the really authentic looking Lothric Knights / Cathedral Knights and the Lothric foot soldiers and understandably they wanted the Ringed Knights to have a "Dark" look to them.

What are some good spells to have at max level? Already got Gwynevere's, probably going to get force too, seething chaos for zoning. Anything else?

>>180449980
You do know your talking to luci right
The person who actually unironically went
>I don't know shit about DS2 and don't want to know either but you should all value my opinion.

The dudes an attention starved (You) begger, let it go because he sure as shit wont any more than he will his mothers tits.

>>180439932
Nope, I've invaded as a grape and immediately gotten my shackle as they died to NPCs.

Where is the proofs that Priscilla is the daughter of Sith and Guinevere? Just I did not find.

>>180451608
There is none, and it is more likely that she is the Daughter or the Nameless King.

>>180451608
There is none and she has scales, which Seath does not. There are some connections, some people theorized about it,. Vaati made a vid and everyone fell for the meme. Everyone but me that is... heh, lorefaglets

>>180451608
There isn't any.
Seath likes experimenting on shit
Priscilla is a half dragon
The painted world is where you throw shit you don't want around but don't feel like destroying for whatever reason

You can either make some assumptions and go "Yeah Seath probably did it"
Or you can go "no that stupid"
Both are equally as valid.

Very very very very very little of what is accepted as "canon" in the souls games is actually ever 100% confirmed, most of it is just assumptions based on things, some more reasonable than others

>>180451685
>Daughter or the Nameless King.
Why? Because, I think Priscilla was the illegitimate daughter of Gwyn. Gwyn's wife was a draconian. This would explain why Gwindolyn had snakes instead of legs. And that's explained why the Nameless King joined the dragons, and also why Yorshka and Priscilla had a dragon phenotype. Sorry for my English

>>180451685
That's even more retarded

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>>180439829
>go back to dark souls 2 pvp
>every second fight in arena is someone playing as passively as possible with katanas, ice rapier, or warped sword
>every other fight is with laggy overleveled subhumans
wow...... truly the best pvp..... wow......

>>180439881
Or just pummel them to death with Caestus. Always works. Always salty.

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>>180451973
>laggy in PvP
laggy in PvE

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>>180451935
>Most Gods hate dragons
>NK moves in with his Dragon babby momma
>anon still thinks it is more likely that Gwynevere cucked her husband

>>180451685
Shut up Luci

>>180451854
>Sorry for my English
Your English is actually pretty good.

>>180452087
>anon still thinks it is more likely that Gwynevere cucked her husband
Wait a minute.

Isn't there an item description in DS1 that literally states that Gwynever fucked off with a god of war of some other land?

>>180452169
Naaaah, I don't think so. I need a more practice.
You are not angry, when your language is distorted?

>>180452194
Yes, but anon thinks it is more likely she fucked a dragon first.

>>180452087
shut up Luci

>>180452194
She left Anor Londo and married some fire God according to one item description. That was well after Gwyn did a buddhist monk impression though.

>>180452301
>She left Anor Londo and married some fire God
His name is Flan (on the russian translate)

>>180452281
>You are not angry, when your language is distorted?
Not when it's a non-native speaker giving it a good try, and yours is really not bad.

>I need a more practice
The "a" isn't necessary in this sentence by the way.

>>180452194
>>180452301
This is the guy who stubbornly insists that Patches is the Furtive Pygmy despite some gaping holes in the argument, do you really think you can trust him with any sort of lore?

>>180452364
Ok, thanks for your notes

>>180452368
The lore is crap anyway, Luci just has the ability to make it even more stupid.

>>180451973
Yeah, DaS2 PvP is shit. I'll never get the "best pvp" meme and the "every build is viable" meme, if you weren't using the epic top 10 gay weapons and spamming running attacks you were just gimping yourself.

>>180452425
>if you weren't using the epic top 10 gay weapons and spamming running attacks you were just gimping yourself.
Like every other game in the series.

>>180451973
>playing DS2 and expecting it to be the same as when the game was new

DS2 is shit but of course only the tryhards are left since it hasn't been the newest Souls game in two years.

>>180452368
What gaping hoes, besides your anus every other time I raped your stupid ass in this argument?

>>180452559
Shut up, Luci.

>>180452485
So, what makes das2 pvp the "objective best" then, I always hear people parrot this.

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>>180440680
Excellent curved sword in all of the games except DS3 where it takes a backseat in the curved sword car.
DS3:
Doesn't have bleed.
Wont bounce off shields if two handed.
Weapon art ends in the vertical slash which I think is better.
Gets A scaling with elemental infusions.
Can parry offhand
Is neither the shortest, nor longest curved sword.

It's a good middle-of-the-road curved sword in DS3, it's not meta, but it's perfectly serviceable. A lot like the scimitar.

It's different from the Scimitar only slightly.
The falchion has higher base damage, but lower scaling, making it better than the scimitar for low levels.
But the scimitar reaches S scaling in sharp infusion.
Virtually everything else is the same.

>>180452559
>Presence in BB
>Presence in DeS
>Lack of presence in DaS2 (don't worm out of this one with your usual hate parade of it)
>Presence in AC: For Answer
It's a blatant self-insert character by Miyazaki, you stupendous faggot

>>180452586
It had more variety and was more balanced, in relative terms, than the other two, is normally what is cited. I'd say that's true but it's still not that well balanced in absolute terms and these issues are offset by other things for many people.

>objective best
That's hyperbole and/or retarded for someone to say.

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>>180452521
>if you play to win ur a tryhard
???

How are you think? Why wasn't memezaki-san on the presentation E3?
It's remind top 10 anime betrayal

>>180452646
How is any of that relevant?

>>180452813
Shut up Luci

>>180452714
It's the age old internet mentality of
>Everyone who is worse than me/loses to me is a scrub
>Everyone who is better than me/beats me is a tryhard
Tryhard is what people say when they lose but don't want to admit to a lack of skill
>I COULD have won but I'm not even trying lmao XD

>>180452813
If he actually is the Furtive Pygmy, what is he doing in locations completely unrelated to him (BB, DeS, AC: For Answer)? And why is he not in DaS2 if it was in relation to the lore of the rest of the DaS and DaS3? The souls of the original big four were found in DaS2, but not this guy who is apparently the man behind the curtain, and should make an appearance somewhere, somehow in there?

>>180452368
A FINE DARK SOUL TO (YOU)

>>180452960
>if this guy is actually a school teacher why do I see him at the local market sometimes?

>>180439829
Do any of you dorks still play des das1 and das2?

>>180452521
Except it was even worse when the game was new with bino boosting, buff stacking and tons of stupid shit.

>>180453101
The school and the market are in the same universe, though. AC, BB, DeS and DaS are different universes. Patches is Miyazaki himself

>>180453101
Oh fuck off, those are two completely different things. With this theory of yours, how can you explain exactly the same character appearing in BB as an apostle of Amygdala as a giant spider, or a mercenary in AC: For Answer, or in a location that existed before DaS had even started in DeS?
You're making a mountain out of a molehill with this, Patches is just a self-insert character. It boggles my mind that you can't see that.

>>180453101
shut up Luci

>>180453101
so what you're saying is kaathe is actually gwyn?

>>180453443
Frampt and Kaathe made a bet that Frampt couldn't get the Chosen Undead to Link the Fire. That's why he appears in the edgy ending, probably bummed that he owes Kaathe money.

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>>180452714
>if you play to not let me win, you're a tryhard

I do everything in my power to piss people off because playing to win is scummy.

Fuck people.

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>>180453662
Reminder

>>180452425
The main reason why people preferred DS2 pvp is that it forced you to commit to your actions, everything was heavily punishable. The "meta" weapons weren't the best for damage or moveset, they were just the ones that were hardest to punish.

Contrast to DS3, where you can throw out attacks, estus, and rolls without much risk of being caught and the meta weapons are ones that can combo people to death with hyperarmor, which makes it less about reading the opponent and more about getting lucky with the environment to start a combo. Punishments also mattered less because you would have to consistently pull them off 5 times in a row to deplete someone's estus low enough that you could finish them off, since estus punishing in DS3 is very hard unless you're a dedicated pyro that can throw out vestiges at the right time.

>>180452087
>seath is known to experiment with other creatures' genetics
>lives right next to anal rodeo
>luci still thinks it's more likely that NK impregnated a fucking dragon than that seath made another monstrosity

>>180451973
>DeS comes out: Holy fuck the pvp in this game is so broken it's hilarious
>DS1 comes out: Better, but still broken. At least Backstab: The Game is fun, even if all other strategies are inferior. Thanks to divine blessings and humanity, if you don't kill in one or two hits, you lose. DS1 is "best pvp" only because DeS was so bad
>DS2 comes out, most weapons can stagger, backstabs aren't OP, ultras are good even without poise, you can kill someone while they're healing, and all elemental infusions have equivalent damage and scaling, allowing melee and casting of any combination. DS2 instantly becomes "Best pvp" by a large margin by the vast majority of people who didn't enjoy backstab fishing for every match in DS1
>DS3 comes out, pvp is ganksquad-focused, instant healing estus, death combo weapons, fewer weapons and armor overall and most infusions and hybrid builds are pointless. Some people like the better movesets and combos and hyperarmor though, so DS2 is still best pvp but with a small group of people who prefer DS3 pvp.

The fact that pre-DS3, DS2 was so vastly improved over DS1's backstab fishing is where the "best pvp" idea comes from. Post-patch DS3 actually improves in a lot of ways over DS2 pvp, as long as you think about it in terms of healing being about using estus as a punishment against someone who failed to follow through with their combo/kill.

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Best FTH catalyst and miracle? I wanna zap some bosses like motherfucking Zeus himself.

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>>180455236
The chime of a nice and quiet girl who missses her brother.....
I just hope you make your fucking sword swing quick and painless you fiend.
(Also for poise casting take the sunlight tailesmen and probably saint)

>>180455325
>saint
that shit has terrible poise, canvas is the best option

>>180455421
at 60fth regular talisman has more spell buff while having the same poise

>>180455131
Strongest is Yorshka's at 60 fai, but lightning spells (except arrow) are best used at close range, so you want regular for ~45 fai and above or canvas below that. Good luck finding proper fashion though
>>180455325
Sunlight has weak damage and you don't need to trade with ultra ffs. Saint's HA is so weak you might as well use a chime
>>180455421
Not for high fai

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So i played DS1 and want to get DS2 in the summer sale. ( Dont worry i already got DS3, but im putting that on hold for now)
What should i watch out for/consider when planing a rought build?
Any new mecanics i should know about?

why does level up wiafu look away when you wear the untrue dark ring?

>>180455325
>Sunlight
That shit's worthless unless you're somehow taking multiple ultras up the ass from at least two guys, at which point you're losing the trade anyway.

>>180455421
>Canvas
Only if you have 40 or less Faith. Regular is better at 60.

>>180455131
DS1 and 2 are worse than DeS and 3 on launch. 1 had fog ring, DWGR, TWOP and lighting weapons were so god you didn't need to bother with scaling.

>>180455560
Pay your ADP tax of leveling it up to 20+ to actually have a non-shitty role.

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>no summon skeleton as temporary ally dark miracle

>>180455605
The hollows of Londor are a detestable sort
>>180455560
Soul Memory sucks ass

>started pyro
>decide to respec faith and play with lightning weapons
>14 int means dark and chaos weapons are still better than lightning infused
Oh ok then

>>180455325
>>180455532
So Yorshka at 60 FTH? Thanks, and what's the best and most efficient lightning spell?

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>>180455605
She doesn't like raisin dick anon.....why did you betray her and seize the flame for some smelly Londor people. You've could have let her take it and lived in the kiln with her...

>>180455681
ADP tax? pls wut

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reminder that winning or losing a duel is not allowed

>>180452058
That's a grab though.

>>180455780
zappy arrow

>>180455856
It's a stat that improves your roll, not kidding. Level it up to 20 on whatever class you choose so that you won't have the shittiest role frames in existence (yes this is a fucking stat)

>>180455560
See >>180445823
Some other ones:

Fatrolling starts at 70% instead of 50%, but staying under 50% is highly recommended.

Two-handing doubles your Str for meeting weapon requirements now (instead of increasing it by 50%), but it still uses your base Str to calculate damage. So you can wield big weapons more easily, but they'll still do shit damage unless you actually invest in the stat.

Infusions work a lot better if the weapon already has innate elemental damage.

If you meet 150% of the Str and Dex requirements of two weapons, you can dual-wield them. Only certain pairs work, but the general rule is if they're the same type of weapon or perform similar types of attacks, you can probably power-stance them.

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>>180455236
See attached

For damage, Sunlight Spear, Lightning Stake, or Lightning Storm. Lightning stake does the most damage but requires a perfect hit of the full effect, Lightning storm requires multiple hits, Sunlight spear does the least but without requiring an ideal hit.

>>180455780
Stake, probably. SLS does the most damage but costs considerably more
>>180455856
In ds2, your rolls aren't governed by equip load but by AGI, which in turn is governed by ATT and ADP. If you don't plan to level att much, you need around 20 ADP to get ds1 fastroll
>>180455908
It's one of the cases where the player got rightfully grabbed, but the transitional animation doesn't compensate for the distance, making the grab look like a teleport. There are other grabs where the weapon hits where the player was and he still gets grabbed

>>180456072
>>180455856
>>180455994
People aren't giving you the full story:

Roll distance = Equip load
Roll iframes = Agility

Equip load also affects stamina regen and walking speed, so 50% or lower is recommended to feel more like DS1.

Agility = Adaptability and Attunement (adaptability counts 3x more)

Scaling is a FLAT damage add. Weapon Buffs are a MULTIPLIER of native elemental damage. This is opposite from DS1/DS3 where buffs added flat damage and scaling was a multiplier.

Softcaps at 20, 40, and 50 for most stats.

40 strength in DS1 added 85% damage, in DS3 it adds 65% damage, and in DS2 it adds 30-100% based on the weapon's AR (low AR = higher gain in % damage).

Fragrant branches are consumable master keys

Bonfire ascetics are consumable world tendency / NG+

Soul vessels are consumable stat respecs

Ring of life protection can be repaired

Pathing is like DeS. There are 5 paths to go from the hub world, they're all about the same difficulty and they get harder the further from Majula you are.

If you acquire 1m souls, you can skip to the endgame areas.

Almost every level has a torch mechanic. Use torches. Also turn brightness down because default brightness is too high.

Good? Good.

>>180456072
Yeah but it's like that in every single game.

>>180456467
Lol no

>>180455804
And fucked like two rabbits on ecstasy

does anyone actually notice a difference when going from max graphics to low graphics

For all that DaS2 does wrong, it really stands apart with what it does right. It truly is a bastard child.

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>shit controls
>zero directions
>zero gear/level progression
>meme difficulty
>straight up anti-fun areas (Blighttown, Lost Izalith)

It takes a special kind of shit game to be tedious even with an infinite health and 99 stats cheats.

Does DS2 get better or what?

>>180456772
DS2 has the best of pre-miyazaki From. It's a lot more unique in its approach to progression than the other games (DeS is a close second), because Miyazaki has completely different ideas about how a player "should" play a game than the rest of the company.

>>180456402
>Scaling is a FLAT damage add

What's the source for this? Never heard of this before.

>>180456772
As much I hate playing it on rerun for just one build (not all the time but days on it can be a little annoying.) it does what it try's and half succeeds, and it's still a better game then most in its genre. Also you guys gotta remember bastard children can grow and have a normal life, they don't need to be tied down to their lineage like it's a binding life contract.

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>>180456761
You damn well know it!

>>180456761
The End of Fire is basically a cataclysmic event, except with dark instead of water. The world has to be filled with people again SOMEHOW
>>180456767
Slightly better defined rocks

>>180456954
This is the shittiest bait I've seen in ages.

>>180457024
>playing it on rerun for just one build
There's no need to do that though, it's why Ascetics exist. You can complete just about any build on one regular cycle.

>>180457021
Wiki or test it yourself. In DS2 scaling is a % gain you get from your Bonus stat.

So if you have A strength scaling, you get ~80% of your strength bonus.

DS2:
Base + (Stat Bonus * Scaling)

Stat bonus is 50 (0) to 200 (99) based on softcaps
Scaling is 100% = S

DS1/3:
Base + (Base * Stat Bonus * Scaling)

Stat bonus is 0 (0) to 1 (99) based on softcaps
Scaling is 200% = S

In DS2 this creates a "middling" effect where weak weapons get more powerful faster as you level up and strong weapons

>>180457269

How is it bait? Souls is the most overrated game series of the last 8 years.

>>180457251
I haven't played DaS3 yet, but I'm curious if they ever readdress the Bed Of Chaos situation. Because as far as good ends, the Witch was on the right track. Her fuck-up was unfortunate, but the results of her mistake showcased the potential of the idea.

>>180457516
Bed of Chaos and such more or less died out with the Ivory King, sacrificing himself to keep it contained, and Alsanna likewise keeping it down.
However, Tsorig almost certainly killed Alsanna along with literally everyone there during his rampage, so maybe he went all-in and killed everything down there, too.

>>180457612
Tsorig might as well have just killed a couple of Loyce Knights, there is no indication for killing anyone else in Eleum Loyce. Next you'll say he also killed the BIK and Reimu
>>180457516
Kind of, but in this case it succeeds in being catastrophic instead of fail being benevolent

>>180457612
Well, the thing I'm saying doesn't focus on the Bed Of Chaos itself, but what it sort of represents. The Witch created something chaotic and volatile. Something uncontrollable. Because she was manifesting primal life as fire. That's what pyromancy is. A concentrated evocation of life energy as flame. Yet we know from divergent pyromancies that the art of evoking life isn't limited to fire.

Bed Of Chaos is proof of concept for a World Tree.

>>180457430

Huh, you're right. It's on Wikidot and they're usually correct. Big weapon builds would prefer buffs then I guess.

>>180457996
Yeah, one of the reason why infusion + buffs is so good in pvp is because most weapons have high AR at full upgrade, and infusions and buffs are multipliers based on AR.

Basically all the competing damage types are flat bonuses and cancel each other out.

Example:
Magic weapon buff = ~20-30% more magic damage
Magic barrier / flash sweat / burr = ~20-30% less magic damage

The clutch rings add 15-45 damage based on weapon type
ROB adds 15-50 damage

Most weapons that benefit from flynn have heavier versions with higher AR (greatsword vs zwei) that would cancel out Flynn's bonus, etc.

It's rather cleverly done, the problem is that things seemed balanced for PvE ( as usual) so that things get a little too heavily based on buffs when you're using +10 weapons and have enough stats to do 40 strength and 40 int or fth. The DLC areas however have higher elemental defense to compensate.

God damn Pursuer is bullshit.

>>180458819
Yeah, I know. He's so easy that he rivals Dragonrider for the title of shittiest boss in the game.

>>180458903
No. Pursuer has some retarded qualities that are likely the reason Poise isn't a thing in DaS3 as I so often here. Went in confident. Had jacked up my Vigor to the soft cap. He did the rush. Went to parry him. He stopped before completing it and so the parry attempt whiffed. Hit me with one slash. Staggered. Two. Three. Dead. No time to recover. No ability to roll.

Was so pissed off I deleted my character and walked away for a few.

>>180458819
Use that Buckler nigga

Anything I should know about the Rose of Ariandel before I roll for it?

>>180459248
>Softcap
Buddy one of the biggest mistakes you can make in DS2 is assume that the sofcaps were where you are meant to stop, or any indication of what makes you "strong".
The game is fuckoffhuge and follows a different level curve, softcaps are the minimum for getting a build running rather than the "I have 4 stats softcapped I am now godking of the universe"

Pursuer is also kind of a joke once you learn the game mechanics, he is piss easy to parry, even easier to roll to avoid and has such slow and telegraphed attacks with little tracking that you can literally win the fight without rolling or blocking once by just running in circles around him and punishing after his combos.
Also wear armor, it actually matters a shitload.
As a final note stop being an idiot/playing a pirated version, literally the only way you ever get stunlocked for over 2 hits by anything if you are playing PvP against someone animation cancelling with the binoculars, no boss combos you for more than 2 hits, a boss having a true combo of more than 1 hit is rare as fuck too.

>>180458819
hahaha how is pursuer real nigga just roll towards him nigga like parry him

>>180459248
In DS2, your character is as strong as their lowest stat.

>Go through the game as a pure strength build using lots of vigor
>Get fucked by the first boss with high physical resistance that requires fast rolling

>go through the game as a squishy sorceror with min-max intelligence
>Get fucked by the first boss with high magical resistance that requires blocking

>>180459654
I'm convinced the Pursuer is a creation of Nashandra

>>180459625
Holds a title for a shitty boss weapon in the game(not the best or worst just meh). Decent for Faith users for a buff to their casting, and overall ok damage when scaled accordingly.

>>180459638
>Also wear armor, it actually matters a shitload.
Didn't have access to any armor at that point.

>>180459772
Considering you can get Alvas armor, which has the best damage to weight ratio in the game up until Lewynns in the endgame, right off the bat without fighting a single boss, I find that hard to believe.

>>180459772
>Didn't have access to any armor at that point.

Stop fighting bosses. There are two places to buy armor before you reach pursuer, you dumb fuck. Pursuer is also completely optional so you have no excuse for not having a decent armor set by the time you fight him.

Almost every boss in DS2 is optional, there's no reason to rush to the bosses and ignore the armor/weapons/upgrades/consummables littered around the ground.

Before you fight ANY bosses, go find the following:
>Ring of Binding
>Cleric's Sacred Chime
>Mace or Partizan
>Sorceror's Staff
>Leningrast's Key
>Silver Serpent Ring
>Fragrant Branch of Yore
>Mansion Key
>Alva Set
>Elite Knight Set
>Short Bow
>White sign soapstone
>Blue Seal
>Silvercat Ring
>Soul Vessel
>Life Ring
>at least 2 estus flask shards

You should have found all of this by just wandering around before your first boss. If you haven't, that means you're not paying attention and deliberately skipping important shit, and you're getting punished for that now.

When you have all of those things or have encountered them, THEN you can go fight your first boss. You should have all of that stuff by just wandering around

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>>180459864
Alva's Armor requires 50,000 souls.

>>180459864
Also Alvas is fashionable as fuck, even better reason to go out and get it

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>>180460287
It sure is!

>>180460261
It requires 15000 souls to unlock, about 40k to buy in full.

And you can buy the full elite knight set for ~12000 souls which is just as good as the alva set at that stage in the game.

>>180459745
I think Nashandra came up with that mean mother Hubbard just to keep the Seek Seek Bear Lest types away from her domain.

Not sure where she got mastodons to put into her employ but if dark souls draws any inspiration from history, I get a Catherine the Great vibe from that relationship.

>>180460439
I would say she was aware of BotC in Drangleic, and figured this would be her shot at the throne. To ensure that they could pull it off, she sent the meanest, nastiest thing she could create after it to be completely certain they could kill everyone standing in her way.
Essentially, it was the filter; if you can't kill this thing, you're out. I also think that it never shows up again in any areas past the point you meet Nashandra in the castle, not counting the castle itself; it could just be defending its home turf there.

>>180459772
>>180460248
To add to this there are 42 bosses in the base game of DS2
Mandatory bosses are
>Last Giant
>Twin dragonriders
>Looking Glass Knight
>Demon of Song
>Veldstad
>Guardian Dragon
>Giant Lord
>Throne duo
>Nashandra

Literally everything else is optional, if your having issues then go elsewhere.

>>180460602
>>180460439
>>180459745
Doesn't really make sense considering he is the source of the Ring of Blades, pretty explicitly Old Iron Kings stuff, who was also obsessed with making semi magical/possessed suits of armor

>>180460709
Last Giant is optional, all the bosses before shrine of winter are. But you would need do CoC and grind out souls with the tseldora set in gutter/shaded woods/FFoG/Heide's to get to shrine of winter without fighting bosses.

>>180460936
>Last Giant is optional
Nah, lord souls paths are optional but you need to kill last giant to get the key to fight Giant Lord.

Attempted a deathless SotFS run today and promptly died to the Dragonrider. Not my finest hour.

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>in duel
>heal using spells
>enemy heals using estus
>proceeds to try and duel like nothing happened
gonna start leaving signs exclusively just so I can bsc on these faggots

>>180460890
Okay, but what are the odds that the Old Iron King was commissioned to produce the Pursuer for Nashandra?

>>180461182
Pretty low. Old Iron King was long gone by then.
The Pursuer does appear in Iron Keep in Smelter's boss room after killing it, and feels like it's an upgraded Possessed Armor. Maybe Nashandra just stole the design of a higher-grade Possessed Armor.

>>180461182
Pretty fucking low seeing as OIK was dead by the time Vendric came to power, which was before the events of the game

>>180461097
That's what you get for being a duelfag.

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>>180461097
>get summoned to fight
>host is losing badly
>mfw he chugs estus
>walk off ledge because fuck you
>he was chinese
always the chinks doing this shit, always a coincidence that theyre 90% of the hackers too...

>>180461014
>Giant Lord
You can just jump to giant lord area. Skipping bosses before shrine of winter is shitty and boring.

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>tfw can't fucking beat the 2 demons on ng+6
Holy fuck it's been 2 hours now and I only made it to Demon Prince once because I just die in 2 fucking hits.

>>180462452
Kill Pain first, and the fight should be a cake walk from there. Killing him second is just asking to get raped.

>>180461097
>Opponent doesn't punish the heal

>>180462335
There is no honor among the Chinese.

>>180462452
hypermode RTSR morion blade and tears of denial with black knight sword, should be able to stagger and riposte them to death with just a few combos

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>>180462565
>Kill Pain first, and the fight should be a cake walk from there.
Sure, if I can actually get to the second part that is. Most of my deaths have been
>mistimed roll and get hit
>panic rolled away and get hit a second time
>die
fml
>>180462895
You can stagger and riposte them?

>>180462392
Nah, you can jump the arena behind him, but you cant actually get to the tree that lets you into the memory without parrywalking.

>>180462675
Yeah, they just stand there flabbergasted, clap and then heal

>>180463010
>You can stagger and riposte them?
Yep. Great / ultra weapons can stagger most large enemiges if you get enough hits in a short enough time span. Black Knight Sword is godly for that, because perseverence and high poise damage. It takes ~4-5 2HR1s in a row to stagger most bosses, a little more if you have to dodge in between attacks. I think even Midir can be riposte'd but it takes forever to stagger him.

>>180463151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkeurJrEQrA

>>180463334
Neat.

>>180463010
That's actually the hardest part so don't feel bad. Once Pain is dead, the fight is easy.

>>180463239
You have to focus on attacking Midir's head to land a riposte. Not sure if there is a time component or not, but it seems like doing a lot of damage rapidly triggers it more often.

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>>180463559
>Once Pain is dead, the fight is easy.
Your Motto to handle your life lmao

>>180464115
He's right tho. Laser Prince is a joke, Chaos meteorites aren't hard, but they are more annoying then a slow starting laser.

I have to make a note of something. Trying to figure out naming conventions to come up with something your autistic, OCD-possessed ass finds acceptable is impossible. Because nothing sounds good.

>>180453101
i've had enough.
I hotugh i could endure it but these 3 days have been suffering
How the fuck do you filter anyone

>>180451739
Painted World is also where forlorn things which have no place in the world

It's never really explained. They just somehow end up there, I guess. The Corvians, the Farron Followers, the Millwood Knights, even Friede herself, all found their way to the Painted World because they had been left behind by, or lost, the things that mattered to them.

Personally, I think it's a very nice concept, especially post TRC. My personal interpretation is that with the Dark Soul used as it's pigment, the next iteration of the Painted World will never rot away, because the Dark Souls is immortality. So there's a place in the Dark Souls cosmology which won't turn to shit and crumble under the march of entropy, but the only way to get there is to have already lost everything and been abandoned.

A cold, dark, and very gentle place.

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>>180464037

>>180464603
Get 4chan X, click the little down arrow after my name and chose to filter by trip code.

Here is the updated one:
https://github.com/ccd0/4chan-x

>>180464753
nice fashion

>>180464037
I get it.
But wow.
That's an old reference.

>>180464037
That is amazing

>>180464603
Honestly I love the Lucifer posting as long as it's anyone doing it but actual Lucifer.

>>180439829
>No clouring items fit weapons and armor
Thanks Hackzacki

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>>180465152
It can't be that ol-
>check release date
>14 years ago

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>>180464037

>>180465383
Time flies anon...
And you're not getting any younger...
Neither is dark souls.
>inb4 games don't age

>>180465437
i don't like this

Does the R1 + Swordcery combo on Heysel pick work for Dark Edge, as well?

>>180465437
Zullie

Zullie you've gone too far

We weren't supposed to know, Zullie

Please stop

>>180465437
HOT

Are pure caster runs viable in DaS II?
Just thought of doing it since I've never done it before

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>>180464037

https://discord.gg/jpBPXnJ

He is our discord group for everyone who need help with cheat engine and stuff. We are not against "spoonfeeding" and overall friendly. So feel free to join if you want.

>>180466154
I really want to play with fading hud because it looks nicer but it's too akward

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Man, karlas hat goes great with everything!

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>>180466340
It's great for going through levels but I wouldn't recommend it for bossfights/pvp. It's well made too, as minimalist as possible, only showing what changes. And holding down the key to change spells/items send you to the first, so it's not that clunky if you get used to it and helps a lot with the atmosphere. The main problem is that if you hold up the torch, it also makes the hud appear. Not just the torch, of course, but it defeats the purpose of creating atmosphere

>>180466192
>The pedophile Discord group
No Thanks FBI Man

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>>180466020
Very!
Literally every school of magic is viable for pure casters.

I would say that sorcery is the easiest, as it's been said earlier in the thread, you can get a good setup going for your build early in the game.

Hexes are extremely strong, but require a heavier commitment.
You also meet a Hex trainer early on in the game.

Pyromancy is a bit trickier but is available earlier than the other two trainers. For pyromancy you need to scour the game for a unique upgrade material which only works on your Pyro glove.

Faith is not bad at all, but it's more difficult to make faith spells your primary source of damage, so it makes a better compliment to a melee build than a pure caster build.
That doesn't mean you can't do it, it's just more advanced.
A certain faith spell, soul appease can negate an entire boss fight.


Pic unrelated but it hadn't been posted yet and someone will find it useful.

>>180465673
My brothers 21st birthday was 3 days ago........what the fuck man..

>>180466835
>posting the DS3 scaling table for a DS2 question

>>180466020
Casters are probably the most OP way to play the game if you know what you're doing. Sorcerors and Hexers can kill most bosses without melee, and clerics have 2-3x more healing options than any other build type.

>>180466192
I'm down to join but Discord doesn't work with the wifi in my building for some reason.
Probably bluecoat/firewall.

>>180466672
Iron Dragonslayer is pretty /fa/

The sword moustache looks ridiculous though. In a good way, mostly.

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Oh, mommy

>>180466835
Casters are probably the best they've been in DaS2.

I actually liked DaS1's attunement system, and DaS2 improved upon it dramatically by actually allowing you to get multiple copies of many spells via clever use of ascetics, which is where I feel DaS1 fell flat on it's face. It's a really neat mechanic. I'd honestly like to see a full game where the only combat styles are various types of magic and the attunement system works like DaS2.

>>180455681
I never got the whole ADP thing, I have 800 hours in DS2 + SOTFS and I've never dropped a point in ADP. Just roll my man.

>>180467712
NO MOMMY! he's a bad man

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>>180467797
That sounds kind of cool desu

The format would actually work pretty well for it. Replace both hand buttons with more spells so you could have up to three available without having to cycle them.

You'd need a shitload of varied spells to collect so things stayed interesting. Also balance would be nightmarish like it already is

Actually at this point you're basically playing an ARPG Card-em-up Lost Kingdoms style, which makes my dick hard like you wouldn't imagine

>>180468651
>Miyazaki mentioned rebooting an old IP
>The chance that it will be Lost Kingdoms is effectively zero

JUST END MY FUCKING LIFE SENPAI

>>180456954
Yes

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>>180468818
GOOD.

>Season Pass costs as much as DaS3 does

Looks like I'll wait another year.

>can't invade @ dancer because it's always a host with 3 phantoms right next to the fog gate so there's literally nothing I can do
gj from

>>180470034
t.poor fag

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>>180464037

>>180470562
Yes. Very yes. Poorfag and cheapfag.

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where the fuck muh DLC sales??!??!

I'm gonna start a new invasion character, all i'm getting at sl 60 and 100 is duelfags, what's a good level for PvE invasions?

should I buy SOTFS for -75%?
I only played DS3 yet so idk, i heard DS1 is superior to 2

>>180470006
Don't hurt me in this way anon

>>180471042
I tend to invade at level 50 in DaS3.

>>180471231
Yes

>>180471042
Depends where you want to invade

SL20+2 for Undead Settlement, SL25/30+3 for Road of Sacrifices, SL35+3 for Cathedral of the Deep, SL40/45+4 for Carthus, SL50 for Lower Irithyll. Painted World invasions have a lot of variation, but you get plenty of hits at most SLs beyond 50. Ringed City invasions are invariably cancer, but happen all the way from 100 to 120.

>>180471790
Oh, right, SL50 is also okay for Smouldering Lake and Demon Ruins, though 45 also works for it.

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Just finished the game. Theme for my ending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLoytewvn0g

Also firekeeper the cutest. A shame she had nearly no lines for the entire game.

>>180471790
Road of Sacrifices invasions are fun if you enjoy clusterfuck battles, for reference. Otherwise, it's best to just go with the area with architecture and design you like.

For me, it's Cathedral all the way. The area is so expansive that there are a lot of different environments and situations to work with, and since there's only one bonfire for the entire stage, you get a surprising lack of hosts just running back to it as soon as they see you invade.

>>180471790
I don't know how it is now, but I was getting plenty of invasions at the Cathedral and catacombs at level 50.

>>180472643
I mean, you still get them, but you have to wait like five minutes a lot of the time.

These are just a rough guideline for almost guaranteed instant invasions.

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Can you confirm 2 hits after this stun? I tried to follow up but he rolled away, felt like I could if I was faster though

What sorcery should I follow Heysel 2h R1 with?

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>haven't done a DaS1 run in a while
>get up to 4KANGZ and die on dickass dex build
>decide they aren't worth the trouble of learning to dodge while doing damage fast enough to avoid fighting more than one
>chuck on full havel's and facetank damage race them

Should I be ashamed of this

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>doing grapist invasions in Crucifixion Woods on a new pyromancer character because Warmth
>invade a dude and his passworded Sunbro
>cat-and-mouse them for a while (they were both using greataxes so no way I'm going to engage and get combo'd), waiting for a Watchdog to come in, but none do
>eventually bait them into the drop-down towards the Estus Shard and box them in with the two cross hollows
>continue baiting them into coming at me, aggro-ing the cross hollows and killing the Sunbro
>finish off the host with the help of the remaining cross hollow and a Fire Orb

There are probably much better feels out there, but I was very satisfied with my work there.

>>180473310
Yes, since they aren't even that hard to dodge

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>>180472825
to my experience, it's not consistent.
you either get the slow recovery animation, the fast recovery or cancel his attack (if it had HA).

>ds2 sotfs -70% off on steam

Will I now finally be summoned to protect a way of blue?

>>180473310
No, Four Kings is kind of a bullshit fight because of how it's a DPS race. You did the right thing.

>>180472203
If you have the dlc or latest patch installed the credits music is a remix of the original souls 3 credits.

>>180473030
Old Moonlight

>>180473310

You were just playing the easy mode meant for new players.

>>180473340
Long haul invasions are the best. It's why I like playing builds with mid/long-range engagement options that are hard to dodge, so you can encourage a chase and make use of the environment rather than walk into a curbstomp 2v1.

>>180473553
Fug that means I need to kill Midir

Does Old Moonlight definitely do the most damage?

>>180473836
Midir is a fun fight though.

>>180473430

Anyone else think the WoG animation is too vague? There's no clear indication on when it's coming out.

>>180473836
Souls Great Sword does it better, but old moon light is second best. It looks and sounds fucking great, but it's up to you. Do you want maximum damage, or second best damage and style with it?

>>180474105
You have a point

Old Moonlight it is.

>>180474105
Is Soul Great Sword fast enough to combo after a hit from Heysel's pick?

>>180474234
All Swordceries are.

Old Moonlight is the most damage since it has the secondary hitbox

Soul Greatsword has more utility outside of that purpose

Dark Edge is meme tier, I guess if you are using a Blindfold Mask for some reason you can use it.

>>180474234
Another advanced wizard can give you that answer since I'm at work and can't test it. Thought it did, but I'm probably wrong.

>>180473836
Midir's actually pretty easy once you figure out to not summon anyone and stay in front of him

>>180474234
>>180474329
Should be noted that for any of this to work, you absolutely need to have capped cast speed. Anything less and they get like 1-2 frames to roll away.

>>180473310
Or you could Power Within and fastroll.
4 Kangz are at their worst when you medium roll in insufficient armor. Either git gud and fastroll or git hueg and Havelcheese.

filthy pirate here, want to play online and the game is at 50% on sale
the season pass includes the DLCs or it just offers a discount for them? don't know if I should trusth the translation the store has

>>180474578
Season pass has both DLCs