/pso2g/ - Phantasy Star Online 2 General #1285

>>180301363
Hero will be shit and Hunter will be the better Sword user.

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Post your rooms!

>>180301601
>Going to play a sword only hunter
I'll show you!

>>180301648
this isn't a room

>>180301648
it's empty because no one would visit my room anyway

>>180301181
Come to b13 and find out

>>180301748
>sword only hunter
GOOD ARKS

>>180301839
Why b13?

>>180301847
Well shit I meant hero but my point still stands

>>180302049
Because reasons

>>180302113
Which are...?

>>180302076
Give up with your Freudian slips. Even your body wants that Hunter Sword.

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Yo, what is up? I've missed you guys

>>180302332
but I'm already a sword Hu

>>180302223
Being cryptic because its funny.

>>180302472
Okay, but where am I supposed to go specifically in B13?

>>180302379
And you won't stop being with your 2PA Hero.

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>tfw no hero esque class that utilizes knuckles/boots/insert something here
i just want to kick and punch things really hard

>>180302545
Near pudding/purin using the famitsu la

>>180302579
Sword hero already has a minimum of like 5 PAs though

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>ARKS Battle Chronicle Part3, Suzuhito Yasuda Collab 2
>http://psumods.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=206
why copy and paste the thread before last

>>180302732
He has two PAs that Sega described as pretty much change weapon without any interesting properties, one PA that LOOKS like Ignite Parrying but it doesn't say that it has any guard properties besides being able to make it go into something Twister-like with weapon action (?). And a PA you can charge and has guard frames on short button press.

>>180302591
They'll release more Hero-type classes then eventually let you build your own 3 weapon hero class.

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splurt splurt

>>180302681
Interesting. I'll keep an eye on you for future reference.

>>180303329
Those change weapon ones are contextual. You can use them or hold it to swap from what I understand.

>>180303934
Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that those PAs look like something you will use to change weapons or very situational stuff.

>>180303897
You already found me?

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>>180303672

>>180304069
We don't know enough to really say anything about it yet. Either way sword only hero will be the way I go with things considering I've been wanting a spellsword since I started playing a year or so ago.

Next Expert Class will be Wired Lance, Bullet Bow, and Tact

>>180304130
Well, yeah. It wasn't that hard.

>>180304340
A dual sword without the photon blade gimmick, rifles, and rods would be my dream.

>>180304362
I was afk the entire time so i ddnt know if you had came already

>>180304475
Oh, fair enough.

>>180303672
you need a hobby

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DO IT FAGGOT JUST DO IT

GIVE ME YOUR FUCKING DS

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>>180304601
FUCK YOU ETHAN AND YOUR HOE

YOU ARE A FUCKING ASSHOLE SHOVE THAT GRINDER UP YOUR ASS

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>>180301648
ok sure

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>>180304601
Having the same problem with Rina's arm unit

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>>180304774
Should've played when they were in the shop area with their COs.

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bouncer

>>180305857
You think why I have it at +34. Sega shouldn't have made retarded requirement of +35. Even though the only thing separating it from +30 is a sliver of attack.

>>180305936
>You think why I have it at +34.
Because you didn't do it enough

>>180304845
this isn't healthy

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>>180306712
okay how about now

>>180304929
I got some choco triggers still. She would throw the thing at me to the point I would just delete them.

>>180305936
What are special ability factors? A fornis weapon with phrase weak is a world of difference.

>>180307970
Phrase weak isn't anywhere near a world of difference. And for that you need +35 FORNIS not any random 13* with some useless affix that was announced after it released. Sega can't accept even something like Gix at +33 but will accept Revo at +35. Even though Gix would be plainly superior.

>>180307364
So I've heard. My team used their triggers for me, and after like 2 hours of farming, I got nothing. RNG, be damned. Just give me trading already, SEGA

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>>180301363
>Activating Iron will at the last second right before a lethal attack hits you and surviving

>>180308241
The fact you can get any old thing to +35 and then switch back to any old thing basically says that it's more about having put the time into the game instead of actually having good gear equipped

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>>180308758
>iron will+NGU procs
>Katana Combat is off cooldown

>>180308828
I put my time in shitloads of +33s, many of which useless because Sega hates you for playing two class combos without sub/main trees, and now it's pretty much required to unlock level 80 subclass soon to be needed for everything

>haven't played PVP in awhile
>it's filled with jet boot faggots and nothing else
So is this the meta that has formed?

>>180309214
VR Tokyo is the worst for this, because the vertical movement allows them to quickly pop up behind you at any time.

>>180309131
>level 80 subclass soon to be needed for everything
80 subclass content will probably be limited to rematches until at least December

And Hero can't even use a subclass so I assume that any quest that normally requires a sub won't apply for expert classes like that at least

>>180309487
I liked it better before bows and boots.

>>180309662
Good thing I actually wanted some 4p content with higher difficulty that's currently being denied to me

>>180309214
What rank? I still see swords here at b4

>>180309131
If you got some older things to 33 then a Revo to 35 shouldn't be any trouble at all, comparatively.

>>180310181
I fell to B, I was S. This fucking mascot wearing cunt just pops up and without much of an animation Jet boots smashes me instantly killing me. It's more infuriating than getting killed by a sword.

>>180310627
No reason to get upset though. Just think of PvP as a fun party game. We're all here just for the battle coins righ- OH WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT? THAT DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH ME! THIS PING LAG BULLSHIT IS KILLING ME

>>180309938
The requirements are higher than ever but it's still just more checkboxes to tick. I honestly don't view it any differently then something like level 50 for Super Hard access.

>>180310920
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
LITERALLY NOTHING I COULD DO

>>180310939
It's pain in the ass. Sega could've used any other conditional with "or". Even their retarded Phaleg where clear rate overshot expectations 4 times or S rank PD (hopefully not for my Fighter without LB hehehe)

>>180310920
It's more the fact that the guy can one shot me without barely any animation.

>>180311087
>It's a pain in the ass
Not enough in this game is

What is popples max element? Is it 60 like every other 13*?

>>180311663
As long as it is 13* then yes, it's 60, just like any other weapon or pet.

>>180311873
How important is it to have room for other shit? I can slot in a 10% and two 20% pancakes right now and be 60% element but that only really leaves room for a few stick type candies.

Honestly I'm only trying to get to level 75 Su so it doesn't have to be super optimized

>>180311968
if that's what you're doing you don't even really need 60

>battle arena
>sword, jets, bow, foie
>go on a killing spree
>almost never die even running around killing shitters with number 1 emblem
My favorite part of this mode is harassing the same guy chasing after you over and over

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may say tah

>>180313276
What quests actually give a lot of meseta outside of COs? I know some XQs give 100-200k per run.

>>180313562
Any EQ with a lot of bosses tends to be pretty good I think.

DF Elder's not bad either, lord knows he's probably not going to drop shit otherwise unless you're really lucky

>>180311663
>>180311968

Sorry to ask this but I guess I need to figure this out. I have popples element at 60 now and my damage is still about as shit as can be. My summoner is only level 25 but my basic attacks only do like 2k and a lot of my mobbing 2-4k with the exception of that one charge skill that does 20. Does Su just scale hard as fuck or what's going? I would imagine my damage would be higher than this with a 13* 60%.

>>180313905
>My Summoner is only level 25
Prima facie it seems like this would be the main issue

>Run fucking Kuron into oblivion
>Ethan and his hoe show up
>They give me fucking daggers
>Yeah fucking daggers
>Realize I managed to drop those freeze Daggers for ult PD once and bought 2 pairs of them
>Check grind levels
>They are at 34
>238 anniversary badges to +35
>Then absolutely nothing but sweet fucking LQ as Huge Cutter +35 Fi/Hu without a single Fi main skill and basic sword gain rate and any EQ that appears
MY DICK CAN ONLY GET SO HARD

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>>180314135
These are his stats. I'm building him s attack since im using switch strike s attack. Am I doing this right?

>>180302340
those last three panels are the funniest shit i have seen on my life lmao
was this made before or after bouncer

>>180314403
No those are it's bonus stats. You can see its actual stats on the weapon pallet when you pick which pet to use with your Takt.

And pets scale a lot with their own level since it not only increases its stats, but also the level of its PAs. Keep feeding it eggs and get it to lv100.

>>180314403
>Lv.64
Now I'm sure this isn't an exact parallel, but this is basically like using a 13* weapon at +15, isn't it?

>>180302591
the ball says sword and the bubble says one hand

>>180314703
Not even. A +0 13* weapon is way stronger than a lv1 pet.

>Rodeo Driving 0 around maps
just give us rideroid in all fields already sega

>>180316761
>overtaking Ranger with Guilty Break
PULL OVER THIS IS A MELEE ONLY ZONE

>>180314837
ball says "Sword Gear"

So do you suppose the Anga mag is going to have as poor of a drop rate as the Coat camos

>>180316761
>>180316931
>>180316931
Obstructing both ranger and hunter with talis teleport

BACK THE FUCK UP THIS IS A REAL NIGGA HERO ZONE

Holy FUCK I just realized hero is basically dante

>>180317872
get ready for cuhrayzee

>>180317872
>>180317959
https://youtu.be/7HHkJH_0leU

How do I obtain an Orbit gunslash?

>>180318693
It dropped during Necky, didn't it? Does it drop in VR TD?

>>180318693
>>180318808
It does. Unfortunately, since it hasn't been on the schedule since May, the only way to do it these days is with a Quest Trigger.

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>>180317872
ready for SSStylish!

>>180319115
is this EP1 GU

>This LQ
>Fucking amazing for exp
>Got 75/75/40 for hero
>It'll be gone tomorrow
The new one better be good too.

>>180317872
yup
>one of the sword PAs looks exactly like stinger
>tmg has honeycomb fire and rush hour
>hero gear builds up faster if you use different PAs, poorly if you don't

>>180320051
>Episode 3
>The bouncer ep
It will be negative EXP, you'll lose levels in all your classes by playing it

>>180320424
I'll understand if it's worse because me getting 75/75 in a week from an almost fresh start is a bit much on top of the other rewards but god damn was it amazing.

>There are people here who don't use the stealth mag
Disgusting

>>180321639
>there are people that use stealth mag
You should reconsider things in your life.

>>180321692
>Wanting a memebot following you around and being in your vision all the time
gross

>>180321639
I'm usually the only one in an MPA who doesn't have a dumb bot following them around.

>>180321812
Did you hate PSO1 or what

>>180322012
I only played the original when i was a kid on dreamcast and then played blue burst at a later date. Mags are still annoying.

>There are people here who use a mag

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>abusing mags

what if mags could suction items to your inventory

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>>180322769
SUCTION

>>180322769
So, the Carrier from Warfarm? If I could have a filter on it, that would be nice so it can suck up grinders/meseta/synths.

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天上天下、アタイが相手だ!!

>That super long Hero centric post that just came up on psublog
I can only get so erect

>>180323176
>meseta
anon, I...

>>180323556
>Hero Boost
>Power gradually rises over time as long as you don’t receive a certain amount of damage within a certain time frame.
Without a JG this is going to be kinda rough to maintain I think.

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DEADLEON

>>180323595
Well as it stands now you still have to walk over meseta to pick it up

If it worked like Carrier it'd get siphoned up from a mile away

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maint time, post a screenshot

>>180323556
>Talises can be thrown pretty fast, but they unfortunately do not have the ability to remotely activate Technics.
This is mildly disappointing

Just a little bit

>>180323913
no gay ones please

>>180324018
HOW IS THAT GAY IT"S JUST MY FUCKING FACE

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>>180323896

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>>180323896
>tfw still need to transfer all my pets and candies to matoi
Gene's stella tears outfit is thicc as fuck

>>180324018
>Rising slash
>Hold button to continually slash until you let go or run out of PP
D P S
P
S

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>>180323896
What summoner should've been

>>180324126
When are we ERP'ing?

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>>180323896

Reminder that bow will be perfectly fine in episode 5

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>>180323896

>>180324236
He doesn't ERP faggot now fuck off, he's supposed to be in my ship by now.
Why are you taking so long?

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>>180324204
fuck man, i never got to play IMAGINE
how was it

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>>180324204

>>180324327
do you think the servers being down has something to do with it

>>180324327
Been busy leveling post related >>180324126 so my attention got shifted to leveling and transferring all of my summoner shit to it. You still want the newearl or the matoi clone?

>>180323913
Goth loli?

>>180324601
>Been busy leveling
>asking me to choose a slut
I don't give a shit, just come over you fucking SHITBALL

>>180308241
>Phrase weak isn't anywhere near a world of difference
>Typically worth around 100atk on a single affix slot if you can match elements

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>>180323896

>>180324702
All right all right, I'll make the pre for transfer after maint is over. Damn

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>>180324734
why would you have that many in storage to begin with

>>180324903
Because I was levelling my pets now that maron is getting gutted

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>>180323896

>>180323975
Hero "Talis" is just meant to be slicers without needing to make a new weapon type.

>>180324978
I'm glad too because there are some good as fuck looking talises.

>The sword used in the hero preview
We'll be getting this in some way shape or form right?

>>180325121
why would we not

>>180325174
I figure we will but I guess the better question to ask is if it'll just be a worthless 12* junk weapon or something.

>>180325250
Weapon camo at the very least

>>180323975
hahah what
what's the point lmao

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>>180323896
heil

>>180324978
That would be even more disappointing for anyone who actually wanted real slicers

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>>180323896

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>>180303672
>nothing new
I would post but I havent taken any recently.


Also rip this fugging LA the rappies and musical notes don't sync up with body movements I give up. Too lazy to fix.

>>180324117
I like this joke.

>>180325121
It will probably be a camo in one of the first AC scratches with the hero costume. Worst case scenario it will be a weapon, we always get these kinds of things.

>>180325335
See >>180324978

>>180325354
Better than nothing but I agree, it's a shame all the old pso weapons aren't back.

>>180325524
stop being a slut, lang

also gib 50m

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>>180323896
Details about Hero's mag when? Please let it be something like 50% of Dex converts to all ATK, that way they'll finally have a use.

>>180325707
Don't get me wrong, I can see where you're getting the whole slicer thing, but it doesn't really fit

These are still very much what they are

Plus Talis weapons were an old PSO thing in and of themselves

And also slicers go even further back to the original series where they were basically boomerangs

>>180325962
I dont think dex will be relevant aain

>>180325524
Is that the shiny skin mod? Looks hot as fuck desu senpai

>>180325962
Only possibly useful if it's a 1 point skill.

>>180326207
tfw the flat mod will never make it out into the open

>>180326207
It is, I'm not using the max shine though.

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>>180326312
That's what I'd hope for but I could settle for 10 if they're spare since it would be 100 all ATK, would be pretty worth while.

>>180326042

>>180326371
pls post it

>>180326504
Get it from youtube lmao.

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>>180325524
More webums with imouto.

>>180326482
Not really.
It's 100 of two attack types but you're losing 100 of the other attack type by not going to 200atk in the mag
I'd also imagine the stat ups in hero tree will be all-atk

>Hero preview video
>Level 18 hero hitting 60k multiple times and a 90k finisher on a non wb non weak part
Sword finisher is strong as fuck god damn.

Who are the hottest or decent looking characters who still post in ths general now?

>>180326919
That's why it would be for someone using all of the weapons and wants equal stats for them. If they want to have 200ATK for a certain weapon; they could do that. They'll most likely do all ATK stat ups in the skill tree.

I plan on having 3-4 mags on my Hero either way.

>>180326949
Does it have a two minute cool down?

>>180327050
me

>>180327050
My characters are a solid 9/10

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My wife Xiera is super cute!

>>180327115
Yes but we can do more than ragrants while waiting for the cd to come off

>Some faggot in this general kade my beloved matoi an unsexy hag

Which one of you faggots is it?

>>180326847
>tfw no recent pics/videos of elf
Literally too lazy and ded rip.

>>180327291
delete this right now

>>180327050
I haven't seen any good lewds since Nhite hotglue webm, stick to twitter and you'll find the hidden gems

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>>180323913

>>180329250
Needs the loser eyes, better face expression and it'll be good. Maybe without lipstick?

>>180326482
Why would someone ever do this to that cushion?

>>180329830
I'm sure you've done worse to cushions.

>Could have had a class that uses rapiers
>Got Hero
I mean hero looks good but come on

post creepshots

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if there's a dark ragne is there also a light ragne

>>180333286
esca ragnus

>>180324398
It was a pretty awful game honestly. But I actually kind of miss it.

>>180333154
I like rapiers but it's not enough on its own to build a class around. Adding some other thing to it would probably feel sort of forced

Like, Bouncer's tree was already pushing it with its stances

>>180323913
stop using my hair gayboy

>>180333154
>>180334348
Hero uses swords one handed and it looks like they will have to dodge rather than guard/parry, it's close enough to a rapier. No need to add a whole new weapon type and waste dev time when hero has all new PAs anyway.

>Everyone looking forward to Hero when gaijin ping will make the in combat weapon switching really laggy

>>180334348
Honestly, I can see Rapier being Strike/Tech hybrid looking like FF14s Red Mage with some new type of non-elemental techniques, something bouncer failed to do.

>>180321639
I do
and if I can get an anga mag i'll switch to it!

>>180334895
Aw yeah son
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht6LWFFCPUw

>>180334895
The only reason Bouncer failed to do that is because casting attack techniques on anything but Force is just not worth your time

A Rapier class released in its place would fail for the same reason

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Frogs.

>>180335041
So we are just going to ignore the part where I said "non-elemental techniques" now?

>>180335041
Depends on if they could find a way to weave the techniques into attacks kinda like hero has going on with the sword weapon action.

>>180334662
>it's close enough
Nah, man, not particularly
Also rapiers are all about parrying

>>180335140
thats one cute fucking frog

>>180335220
Main issue is the whole charging mechanic
Slows down techniques a lot, even with charge time reductions it's still sort of clunky

Either get rid of it or make uncharged tech casting not the complete joke that it is

>>180334662
>Have to dodge
>They have a counter built into their step attack and guard points on their dash stab with sword

A dodging based class would be cool but I'm not so sure. If it does turn out to require dodging it better fucking have step advance.

>>180335769
That's why I mentioned Hero's sword weapon action. You can charge it for big dick damage sure but you can also just tap it to be able to dash around for great movement while also shooting. RDM on FFXIV also has a couple of mechanics like this and I don't see why they wouldn't be able to make a proper spellsword built out of it.

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>>180335465
You too.

>>180335465
>>180336031
One of these little fucking goons will drop a 14* for me one day.

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reminder that ponthi is a fucking shitter

>>180336073
Do they really have a 14* drop chance?

Isn't it pretty much guaranteed that Hero will be better than all current classes, due to its design as a Main-only class with three level 75 core class requirements?

How will the game be balanced if this is the case? Keep releasing so called "advanced" classes, and making single core classes redundant?

>>180338829
No.

>>180335220
two of jb's shifts sorta have techs - the spinning top of doom does zanverse and the sextuple back hand spring casts deband

i was thinking earlier that it'd be nice if they upped to PAs to six total and gave each shift a technique, one of each element. or if, since you can change weapon elements by casting a tech, they gave you a way to weave more elemental damage into your attacks. like if you had a set of PAs that change depending on the last tech you cast or something

>>180339098
No.

That isn't guaranteed at all.

>>180339558
Historically, every new class has been OP to an extent. Why would Hero be any different, given that it has vastly higher requirements than the others?

>>180335863
hero's sword weapon action seems to locks you in place though. you can see it when he's fighting the vol dragon how he just freezes in the air to charge and fire it. that said, sword does have a PA that does shooting + moving, and it leads into the TMG weapon, you can see it when he's fighting chrome dragon
>>180339098
we won't know until we get it into player's hands. hero's damage looked abysmal without their katana combat esque finisher skill which looks like it's on a 2 minute cooldown (sounds familiar)

>>180339654
>gunner release
lol no
>braver release
meh
>bouncer release
meh
>summoner
meh

Gunner only became good when they gave it sjump JA
Braver was meh until it got shunka
Bouncer lol
Summoner only became relevant with maron

can someone pls carry me in dfo

>>180340221
>getting into DFO
You have to whale to play DFO, you can't be carried to anything that matters

>>180339695
>>180339878
I don't mean just the release. By design, a main-class only locked behind 3 grindwalls has to be stronger than any core class without the grindwalls.

If the core class itself is stronger than the supposed "advanced" class, what is the point?

Sega is effectively creating a job advancement system. Why bother going Lancer when you can go Dragoon?

>>180340327
I refuse to believe someone would actually think this

>>180340506
I refuse to believe that you think an "advanced" class should have any possibility of being weaker than a "basic" class.

>>180340651
good job moving the goal post

>historically, all new classes are OP
>gets proven wrong
>well im actually talking about "advanced" classes
>you know, the kind of classes that hasnt shown up yet
historically my fucking ass

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>>180340506
I can see where hes coming from. Why would someone even bother leveling not one but THREE classes to their cap in order to unlock a class that's weaker then the previous three you already played and maxed out?
Extreme effort for no reward? Not likely.

>>180340889
Maybe because people play classes that they think are fun rather than bandwagoning the top tiers. Bouncer should have a player population of zero and not be one of the more popular classes if people only played strong classes.

>>180339878
Only bouncer and gunner were meh, because shunka was introduced for ep2 and force kept receiving buffs throughout ep3

>>180340843
What goalpost? Proved me wrong how? I already said "I don't mean just the release".

>well im actually talking about "advanced" classes
>you know, the kind of classes that hasnt shown up yet
Are you literally unable to comprehend that a class locked behind a grindwall should be special in some way? I literally can't say it any plainer than this. Please understand.

>>180340889
>level 75
>extreme effort
If it was level 80 maybe. 75 is nothing (in comparison)

>>180341031
Bouncer doesn't require one physical, one ranged and one tech related class at level 75 before unlocking either.

>>180341151
>Are you literally unable to comprehend that a class locked behind a grindwall should be special in some way?
You do realize that Fighter, Techer, and Gunner were locked behind a grindwall on release too, right?

You cant be this retarded surely

>>180341203
Even so it's still an effort that no other class has to undergo to unlock. A fresh account can make any class, but has to grind 3 classes to 75 before unlocking Hero.

>>180341151
Hero is the first 3 attack class, is the new type of "Advanced" class, and only allows for a main class.

It's going to be special. The question is whether or not it's going to be better then other class combinations.

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>>180341281
>on release
>still attempts to talk about release day instead of core design despite me saying now THREE times that it's not what I'm on about

I can't help you anon. Just reread my original post.
>>180339098

>>180341140
Shunka was added four or so months after EP2 began, when the first Mining Base Defense EQ was added to the game, if I recall correctly

Have they said if the class will use some sort of switch attack skill all its time to do all attack type affixes?

>>180341460
Its impossible to argue your retarded statement because its unprovable,

>hurr need 3 lvl75s so it'll obviously be OP

What we do have is as you so gladly put it historical evidence that every release class sucked balls until they were given a buff or new PAs

You're a fucking retard and no amount of taking the high road will prove your claims are true.

>>180341460
>>180339098
>>180341212
>>180340889
>>180340651
I'm too lazy to do it so just pretend I screencapped these posts when I call you all retards in August

>>180341460
It's not guaranteed.

The fact that you need to switch between 3 different attack types implies a heavy gear requirement. Unless there's some kind of "attack unification" thing, you're not going to be able to use things like Power III on units, which would raise the price of units, and that's assuming that they'll introduce any kind of attack system for the mag, else you'll miss out on 200 attack every time you switch weapons.

Maybe the increase in damage will be marginal if played optimally. If you're really amazing at the class, and have incredibly expensive gear for all 3 attack types, you can beat out everyone else, but only just. This would make sense for an "Advanced" class - only the best of the best can use it well. Maybe it'll be a prestige thing, Hero is only sort of good or middle of the road, but being able to play it is seen as impressive, or really fun. Maybe they'll fuck up and it'll be awful.

I'm not saying any of these are going to happen, but they at least seem plausible. Assuming, that because it's hard to unlock, it's definitely going to be OP, is nonsense.

Hero will be balanced, but people will believe it isn't balanced

>>180341392
>3 attack
>tmgs are s-atk
>talis is used solely for teleporting, going to be just as shitty as bo in casting techs

>>180341392
That's literally what I'm trying to discuss. Unfortunately, I seem to have Lobby McEmote straight out of PSUBlog trying to debate history when I want to talk about design.

Anyway back on topic, SEGA is setting a terrible precedent by making advanced classes. Main-class only already kills any build variety that Hero might have, but build variety might as well be dead if Hero is as good as its requirements make it out to be which it will be. Why the fuck wouldn't it be.

My greatest fear is that Hero will straight up outclass all other options, and the obvious optimal subclass will be found shortly after release. This isn't a surprise since hurr OP bandwagon, but this time around it's going to be hard to balance simply because it's an "advanced" class and has all the right to be OP compared to lesser core classes. I don't think SEGA is retarded enough to make core classes defunct, but releasing an "advanced" class and even calling it the "first" advanced class, how could they not be doing exactly that?

The game was already well balanced, why in THE fuck did they have to nerf and buff a bunch of shit for no reason

>>180342206
>obvious optimal subclass
Hero doesn't have a subclass.
That's what is meant by main class only.

>I don't think SEGA is retarded enough to make core classes defunct, but releasing an "advanced" class and even calling it the "first" advanced class, how could they not be doing exactly that?
By trying to make an interesting or gear intensive class that's hard to play. It's "Advanced" in skill required, or gear to use, or any other metric. If you understand that SEGA isn't trying to ruin every other class, and understand that the class doesn't have to be OP, why would you then assume that the class has to be OP, no two ways about it?

Are you all so new you don't remember when WoW introduced a "Hero Class" ala advanced class with requirements no other class needed and it was underpowered for god knows how long? It's just something for people to grind, they're not throwing balance out the fucking window because you have to spend 2 days capping classes.

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>>180342790
>no, my dude, they're going to fuck it up THIS way, not THAT way

>>180342907
It was meant to be read as binary. The two options being:
1. the advanced class is better than every other class
2. the advanced class is not better than every other class
Hero is not going to be better than every other class and I wish you people couldn't just scuttle away so I could call you stupid in 2 months.

>>180342051
>Assuming, that because it's hard to unlock, it's definitely going to be OP, is nonsense.

Why would anyone go through said gear grind and level grind, only to play a class that's worse/equal to a class with only one/two main damage types?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it would be even more retarded of SEGA to not give Hero some sort of advantage over core classes if they have to grind all types of gear/classes to play effectively. It makes no sense to funnel players into a hybrid be-all class, but it makes even less sense for that hybrid class to be weaker than one core class.

>>180342442
>Hero doesn't have a subclass.
That's what is meant by main class only.
My bad, I thought it meant you could only pick Hero as a Main-class and not subclass it. I didn't realize it was just one singular class with no variety that's even fucking worse desu. Now you can't be Hero/Gu or Hero/Te, just plain jane Hero

>why would you then assume that the class has to be OP, no two ways about it?
Because OP in this game is measured on pure retarded DPS, not skill or tankiness or ease of use. That's why Marron is being nerfed or at least every other class is being nerfed to curb Su subclass buffing Marron
If Hero doesn't do more damage than the basic alternatives, why would anyone go through the trouble?
Fun is not an answer when talking about balance

Hero is an "expert class"

Like, exactly the same wording they use to label the expert blocks

Not sure why everyone keeps calling it an advanced class, wasn't that what they used for Fighter/Gunner/Techer

which male NPC is the hottest dad and why is it josef

>>180343150
>Why would anyone go through said gear grind and level grind, only to play a class that's worse/equal to a class with only one/two main damage types?
It could be really good, a top-tier class, and not be overpowered. Just regular powered.

If it's just another class, and everything is balanced, why wouldn't fun explain why people would pick it? Some of the most expensive items in this game are cosmetics. If Hero is a perfectly viable class, and is also really fun, why wouldn't people want to play it? Maybe people want to play it just because it is hard, as a badge of honor. There are lots of reasons to want to play Hero that aren't about Hero being super OP.

>>180343150
It literally takes a couple of days to cap 3 classes. Why would you make one class blatantly better than everything else over that?

>>180343510
This totally goes both ways, too Force has supposedly been the most powerful class for a long time now but it has consistently hovered in the 10% usage range despite anything they do to it, probably because it's anti-fun

>>180343461
that's a weird way to spell jean

>>180343510
The amount of un-fun required to get it would probably turn off a lot of people. (gear grinding, level grinding)

>>180343510
>why wouldn't fun explain why people would pick it?
Because "fun" doesn't create bandwagons alone. That's why there were so many shunka Bravers then, and Marron throwers now. People flock to be the strongest and if Hero isn't as good as people think it is, you'll see many of them on release and hardly any shortly after.

I do agree that if Hero is high-tier and not just OP (more along the lines of current-patch Gu/Fi), people will still play it if it's fun, but not in the numbers that drove shunka Bravers to dominance back then.

>>180343547
It takes you and I a couple of days to max a class. SEGA doesn't operate on our pace though. Think of how long it takes the average shitter to cap 75 (not even 80), and then multiply that by 3. Must be an incredibly daunting task.

>>180343904
but Shunka was God-powerful and hella fun

this is why people did not flock to FO even though it dominated until SU/GU stepped in

>>180343904
>Marron throwers now
They aren't actually that common

It's still a problem they can make a joke out of most bosses of course, but it's not really a bandwagon thing

>>180343904
>People flock to be the strongest and if Hero isn't as good as people think it is, you'll see many of them on release and hardly any shortly after.
Meanwhile Bouncer was one of the most popular classes for years

>>180344346
People got this strange idea that PBF was this totally OP skill for some reason

>>180344346
Boucner is fun but it's sad that it's objectively worse than Fighter, which is also fun.

>>180344168
hella fun for like 2 weeks then the burnout started. No matter how much I miss the SHWING SHWING SHWING KSSSSSSSS, I would rather kill myself than do it all again

>>180343904
>Marron throwers
>so many
>People flock to be the strongest
is that why summoner has the 2nd lowest play rate and lowest 80 cap rate? is that why i always see 4 fucking bravers and hunters in every party i'm in?

>>180344515
better brace yourself then, because it's about to make a come back

>>180344586
pls no

>>180344568
you see 4 bravers because you're in shit 2 with the weebs and you're one of them

>>180344515
Anyone who religiously played Shunka would do it all over again such as myself, a GOD of DESTRUCTION.

http://pso2.jp/players/event/5th_anniversary/online/report/quest/

>Quest with the second most incapacitations in Normal and Hard is the Gal Gryphon LQ
buh

>Urban and Forest AQ show up on VH
I guess people jump right into these without really being ready for them

>Yamato third place on N, H, SH incapacitations
I don't really get this

>Odin LQ third place for XH
what the fuck

>>180343904
>Because "fun" doesn't create bandwagons alone. That's why there were so many shunka Bravers then, and Marron throwers now. People flock to be the strongest and if Hero isn't as good as people think it is, you'll see many of them on release and hardly any shortly after.
No, because Braver/Shunka/Guren is MUCH easier to play and have access to.

>station square
where's escape from the city sega?

>do lq
>shit tier exp again
fucking sega, can't they do anything right?

>>180343150
>Why would anyone go through said gear grind and level grind, only to play a class that's worse/equal to a class with only one/two main damage types?
Because its not a grind. The game has been up for half a decade now.

Just because new players are forced to grind doesnt mean sega has to reward their efforts.

This is fucking sega we are talking about

>>180344586
You know pre-nerf Shunka had a completely different animation right

>>180345095
Wasn't it Station Square last year
Guess they're not changing it up again this year

Server is up.

Are Rappies real yet?

>>180345179
not "completely" different, they just cut a few frames on the last hit and made it a LOT weaker

>>180345179
Why are you lying

>>180345330
>>180345346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyPVCjzN_uA good ol shunka, the PA we definitely still have access to and wasn't replaced.

>>180345673
That's the same animation, you are not a part of us GODS of DESTRUCTION, begone.

>>180345673
what's different

>>180345673
why are you showing me this? I was one of the shunka bravers back then

>>180345673
>dashing with TDs
>LA dashing
>weapon switching while dashing
rip in piece ;_;7

>>180345858
>TD dashing
they still do this shit?

>>180346453
No.

Running speed was increased to be on par with all these stupid dash gimmicks.

If you wanna go faster than that, you need to use PAs/Techs now

Another scratch without elegant power or noble power. Is it possible that Sega will make these easier to obtain in the future?

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>>180302591
Anyone feels like the releasing of Hero is unfair to every other classes?
Whats the point of playing them when you can just play Hero instead?

>Unlocked first crossover NPC
>Get to the the CO for second NPC
>Kill 100 enemies by weakpoint
Wow, I think that is the most annoyingly stupid CO one of these characters has ever had.

>>180346683
I want to bully Maidoll so much, I'll probably switch to ship 4 and join her runs and hug her character from behind and and and

the new LQ this week sucks and its pretty buggy, had a boss warp behind the gates and be unkillable like3 rimes now

>>180346894
>and and and
dont leave me hanging in there

>>180346995
I've run it twice, it's anti-melee-techer.

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>Br
>every PAs either have dmg increased, reduced PP or both
>except Hatou
>except Hatou

>>180346995
Yeah its pretty terrible.

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So.. when are the weaponoid costumes coming, did they forget?

>>180347435
Hatou is perfectly fine though

>>180348279
It isn't

>>180348319
It's your best dps on big targets and best KC hit generator as well as being a psuedo ranged attack, I don't see the issue.

What a shit scratch. Everything plummeted in value much faster than usual.

>>180346860
This seems super annoying. Shooting normal mobs in the head doesn't count, are bosses/mini bosses the only ones that technically have a weak point that counts?

I dunno where to best farm this if thats the case...

>>180348521
Off the top of my head, Dagan Extermination as Force with a talis would do it. If you throw it low to the ground and Gifoie, it hits their weak spot. Works with Zondeel.

>>180346860
Go to ruins and hit darkers in their cores.

>>180348593
So far it doesn't look like normal mobs count though...

>>180348665
Heads don't count as weak spots for this sort of thing. The rule of thumb is that if it isn't an unconditional weak spot for every class, it's not a weak spot.

>>180348408
>best dps
outdps'd by sakura+gekka(+counter) on relevant bosses.
>KC hit generator
Ring already destroyed it on that department.
Not worth 30PP

Harukotan TA on normal as FO
Gigrants everything
You get about 20 weakpoint kills per run.

>>180348408
>It's your best dps on big targets
Doesnt matter if its shit on deus/ gracia
>KC hit generator
Hien tsubaki will fill that niche after the buffs
>a psuedo ranged attack
If you want sub-optimal dps, sure.
>I don't see the issue
The issue here is that it costs a whooping of 30 PP

>>180348956
>>180348741
Force is top tier, AGAIN. Glad this pos is being nerfed

what is the easiest way to farm lambda helfret?

>>180349294
there are only 2 ways, one of them is lq, the other is dragon ex. pick your po ison.

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>TMG camo I sold for 20M is now 6M

>>180349617
and 6m is already a rip-off

>>180349759
>check out tmgs
>they look like complete shit
why would anybody buy these?

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True beauty

>>180349617
>>180349759
>>180350461
When the hell will we get Quna's TMG camo?

>>180351126
that is qunas tmg camo.

>>180350727
Try again

>>180350727
Her hips on me, my cock going up her hole while grabbing dat ass and sucking on those small ass tiddy

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True meme

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This would look great if it wasn't for that fucking cup holder thing hanging awkwardly in front of the crotch. What the hell were they thinking?

>>180351674
omg did you get even fatter?

>>180351694
it is a guard against pussy slap

>>180351674
What the fuck

Is it worth popping a donut near the end of a limited quest?

>>180350727
it would have been a great costume if wasn't for those godawful shower curtains all over them

everytime Sega, I'll tell you everytime there's something nice they have to shit all over it.

>>180351865
Do you ever need an excuse to eat a donut?

>>180351865
Yes, they cost one badge anyways

I didn't think this scratch could be worse than the last one, but I was proven wrong. At least the last one had a nice mag evo device.

>>180352998
It's gonna be garbage until the atelier collab.

>>180353319
Surely we'll get the Atelier scratch next fortnight, right? Right?

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Now I can finally play a class I find fun.

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>>180353617
You mean a one from a different game?

LQ got stuck after killing Nepto. Nothing happened after they died, waited for like 5 mins, fuck this game.

Why did they make camos and this anga mag so fucking rare.

>>180354746

I've been monitoring the game those last few weeks with Ping Plotter and noticed a huge lag spike, ever since:

1. The SEA server shutdown
2. That hardware failure

With 1 I noticed the average pings I get got much higher depending on time, usually jp hours got much laggier than before

With 2, the game becomes suddenly unplayable with menu lag, damage taking longer to register, numbers not appearing anymore, etc.

I got overall an increase of 30~100 ms and sometimes it goes back to normal. It only happens with PSO2, other games are fine.

But what's interesting is that this began right after those 2 events, with 2 obviously being the worst culprit, but 1 definitely had an impact due to excessive use of VPNs those people require.

Ship 2 experience so I've been using 210.208.189.22 for block 30 for example

>>180326342
Here you go.

ufile io/c1lgz

>>180354336
I could play final fantasy 13

Alright pso2g what should my skillset look like for Katana Braver main? Keep in mind I'm only levelling it because I realized I dont have a lv75 ranged class for hero. Currently just gonna sub my lv80 bouncer because resta, and dont plan on using it much after hitting 75.

>>180356219
What does this replace? The readme doesn't have any info

>>180357274
https://arks-layer.com/skillsim/skillcalc.php?11fbCIobCIobCIobCIobCIobCIobCIobCIobCIo0jdodBIb000000000doIn0000000jdoib0000000fdo0000000Io00000000ioIn00000000IbgO4NfdFjbxrAHSIkdAbn00000fdoIb0000000jdB0000000

>>180357324
スクールスイムウェア

>>180357614
Thanks

>>180357614
that tree is shit and you should feel bad for linking it.

>>180358703
It covers the essentials he needs for getting to 75 only, as a Katana Br. Don't you dare reply to me again.

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This episode 3 LQ is the worst. It takes twice as long to do compared to the episode 2 one and gives just the same amount of badges and no 11*s. Damn, I regret not farming episode 2 LQ more.