/indie/ - Indie and Obscure Games General

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>>179522658
>he added Age of Decadence
Good boy.

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loking forward to Ape Out

So did DD actually announce anything good or are people just wanking about them doing something silly?

>>179524190
The latter

>>179528172
>the winners of E3 had nogames
Why am I not surprised?

>>179528519
Technically they showed games during the first ever second pre pre show, but I don't think any of them were completely new announcements.

Intel is saving indie games

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Summer sale needs to hurry up.

>>179530879
>buying games

>>179530978
>not supporting the gaming industry

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waiting for sale for
Deep Shrine of Earth
Snakebird
Cosmic Express
Zombie Army Trilogy
Hollow Knight
Caves of Qud
Mystic Towers

>>179531064
>supporting the industry
>buying games on sale
>on steam

>>179503367
I clearly said I was doing it to support DD for being madmen when it should be and others aren't giving them the recognition they deserve, not just to spite clickbait sites. Also wanting to give money to games I like is why I asked which games were good.

>>179522730
Don't call me sweetie, but thank god.

>>179531184
[Lovecraft intensifies]

>>179531184
I hope Hollow Knight gets hit hard by the sale.

>>179536316
I doubt it. It just came out a month or two ago, right? I'd say $5 gets knocked off at most.

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>>179528519
I am still legitimately in disbelief about what had transpired. I'm also in disbelief that I watched it for ten straight hours without breaks.

>>179538283
But WHAT happened?

>>179538731
11 hours of pure, unrelenting shitposting, an episode of Ninja Slayer, appearances from several videos in the "important videos" playlist, wrestling, an MTS3K segment involving Wolfcop, and some games from time to time.

>>179539006
What?

>side with Varro
>everything goes 100% perfectly
>become his right-hand man in the Inquisition
>everything is perfect
>so perfect that you are bored out of your fucking mind
>nothing left to do but wait for old age and quiet, happy retirement

>side with Darista
>bitch doesn't even appreciate that I blew up a fucking temple so hard the mushroom cloud was visible from Maadoran
>Hamza has to intervene so I can even keep my fucking job
>spend rest of life as a low-ranking nobody in Gaelius' ass-kissing squad

Fuck you Darista, you are the worst guildmaster ever.

This blows. Suddenly becoming the favorite slave of a god doesn't even sound like a bad alternative anymore.

>>179539006
Only the press conference and the first 30 minutes of the couch was on behalf of Devolver, the rest was Twitch's crew.

Has anybody checked out Indie Game Battle? It's got some characters I like, but the game itself looks really shoddy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU7jOgZFTjM

Indie fighting game from E3.

>>179536316
>tfw paid more than base price Hollow Knight for the indie box.

>>179528172
>twinstick coop shooter serious sam is nothing
The rest also looked good but yeah the conference itself was good.

>>179523381
Card City Nights 2 release date is in september.

>>179543371
Is indie box worth? What came in the Hollow Knight box?

>>179544043
It doesn't get shipped till the end of June.

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Holy shit

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>>179547538
Guess I can't screenshot in fullscreen.

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Enclave.

An old game. I like the girl's ass.

/v/ is hell right now.
>Have 141 threads hidden because there's just that much flooding related to E3
>Usually have 20 or 30

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>>179539576
>spend rest of life as a low-ranking nobody in Gaelius' ass-kissing squad
Should have just become his praetor and serve him directly as nobility instead of being some literally who.

You don't even need to betray boatmen to do that, if you asked to serve him he would arrange everything with Darista.

That said, guild ending depend on your reputation with the guild. The higher your reputation the better you end up, so if you ended up as a low-ranking nobody you just weren't working hard enough.

>>179549293
Oh, so it's a bit like Mount and Blade, you get different endings depending from your situation?

>>179549471
The game simply checks your repuation and gives you a different ending depending on how high it is. I had 18 House Aurelian repuation at the end of the game and got the consul ending, as far as I know low repuation would make you end up as some low-raking official in an unimportant remote shithole.

Of course it's also important who you sided with, who you betrayed and such, but generally reputation improves your situation.

>>179549864
I remember Warband being really stingy with the good endings.
I remember havng a good situation, having my king liking me, the other lords trusting me, having a few business, and yet I still died a beggar.

Battle Brothers has too fucking little content. There's fun to be had but then you realize that it's grindy as fuck with so much artificial difficulty specifically because it's trying to stretch barely any content over the longest time possible.

>>179549976
I didn't even know MnB had endings, I played like 90 hours, during most of which I tried to conquer all the factions as my factions marshall then try to become king of it, but I got a new PC when there were like 2 or 3 others left.

>>179550198
Yeah, they're pretty much hidden.
I like it that way, it gives a satisfying way to end your character without deleting a save.

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>waiting for the cyberpunk resurgence so that i can finally get a comfy open world sandbox game with a nice art style that i can retreat to
Where did it all go so wrong that I'd rather live in a corporatist dystopia than live in the current year?

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just finished Illusion of Gaia after not playing it a decade.

It was a weird and beautiful trip. Held up really good. Probably in the top 10 SNES games I've played

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>>179538283
It was so fucking weird.

>>179538283
>>179553062
vi-videogames?

>>179553062
>>179538283
>people still think Andy Kaufman isn't around trolling us behind the curtains

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>>179553187
Videogames

>>179543381
>twinstick coop shooter serious sam is nothing
Yeah, I'm not really hyped for it

First, all Serious Sam games that weren't made by Croteam were meh at best
Second, it's developed by people who made Hammerwatch, which was kinda meh on it's own

Is there a list of recommended / quality of life mods for Stardew Valley?
I haven't played since launch and only vanilla, so I would like to try again. with mods.

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>Isaac daily
>Already halfway through the day, so most people are done
>442nd score, not too bad considering at least 2000 players usually
>Motherfucking 49th on time
Psychic brimstone, cunts. Never ignore devil deals if they're open.

>>179532386
What's wrong with steam?

>>179556857
Well, nothing, just buying game on sale and through Steam will get devs only a relatively small cut of the expected full price
But I think it's not really worth arguing whenever it's bad

>>179556857
Almost a monopole.

>>179556857
I think his point is:
You insinuate that buying games on sale, on steam is supporting the game industry.
But steam takes a large cut of the price. Buying on sale means you're not willing to spend proportionate amount of money for the work put into the games.
So really, all you're doing is saving money for yourself. If you really did care about supporting the game industry, you would buy the games you want for RRP, from any platform (rather than ONLY steam).

>>179557209
To be fair, devs still get their cut and it's not like they didn't want to sell the game for less in the first place
It's a silly argument because you can also add
>buying games at regional RRP instead of the most expensive one
>not buying collector's edition
>not just donating money to the devs
etc.

>>179557642
That's why it's a case by case basis.
In general terms, waiting for a sale on a specific delivery platform while virtue signalling about supporting devs is just hypocritical.

>>179556857
Getting your games from steam sales gives the least possible support to the industry.

>>179557642
>it's not like they didn't want to sell the game for less in the first place
You're an idiot. They don't want that, but ultimately the unit price doesn't matter. What matters to the (indie) developer is a steady stream of income, and discount prices are required to rekindle interest once your game isn't selling enough at full price.

I want to believe freeware supported by direct donations is the best and most ethical business model for long-term game development, but so far very few (Toady with DF for example) have pulled it off successfully.

>>179558083
Wow, rude

I'm sorry, but no one puts a gun to the developer's head when they put the game on sale. Just as you've said, it's a marketing move to sell more copies, albeit devs have to pay for it by selling the game at lower price. If they didn't want to do that, they wouldn't put it on sale. It's their initiative. Fuck off.

>>179558083
>Getting your games from steam sales gives the least possible support to the industry.
Counterpoint: The industry is thriving as fuck with Steam flooded with a metric shitton of terrible games reminiscent of the early 80s and with a few minor exceptions almost every single AAA developer deserves to get fucked in the ass out of every nickel for shitty business practices and games that put graphics before gameplay despite having budgets smaller than the GDP of some small countries.

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>>179560018
Or to put it another way, who's hype for 4K Minecraft?

>>179560018
>flooded with a metric shitton of terrible games
This is not a good thing.

>>179560296
I suppose anon meant that it's a bad thing and industry thrives despite pushing out a lot of garbage by both small and large teams

>>179560296
>This is not a good thing.
Exactly, so buy shit on sale or pirate. We need to purge this shit with fire. The good indies will always find their audience and survive and you might kill a few bad ones.

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>>179560547
In fact, let me just say, the time has come for another 1983.

>>179522658
Which one DID you get anyway?

>>179557642
Devs never want to sell games for less if they can get the same amount of sales for more. It just makes them less money, which pays their wages for less time, meaning they have less to invest to making future games.

>buying games at regional RRP instead of the most expensive one
>not buying collector's edition
>not just donating money to the devs
What is silly about those arguments? Buying games for more or donating directly OBJECTIVELY supports the industry, via greater profit, more than buying them for less. Buying games from other outlets than Steam is arguably the same, depending on how much you believe Steam actually contributes to the industry. The only way to support as much at low price as you can at high price is to buy multiple copies and give them to people that never would have bought the game in the first place (or just keep them).

>>179560547
>The good indies will always find their audience

How? Who? You just said, "don't buy games."

>>179523381
Put the new dashbored update there

>>179561224
It's silly to put up an imaginary line that splits people into "not supporting the industry" and "supporting the industry" based on some arbitrary criteria

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>>179561224
>Buying games for more or donating directly OBJECTIVELY supports the industry,
Pic related is the industry
>>179561406
>How? Who?
By being good and getting good word of mouth, people that appreciate quality/dipshit bandwagonners.

Last Night looks comfy af

>>179560547
Sales are starting to do more damage than they fix. People just price shit higher in anticipation for steam sales, and take longer to do permanent price reductions. Furthermore, salesfags will buy a big pile of shit games at a big discount and never throw another penny at the developer if they get an actually good one. This directly emphasizes quantity over quality mindset, and is arguably directly responsible for the enormous amounts of shovelware garbage being dumped onto steam.

Pirating 10 games and then buying the good one for $50 is much, much more beneficial to the industry than buying those same 10 games for $5 each.

>>179561569
Move that to the 2018 list bub

>>179557109
>>179557209
>>179558083
Give a source of a single dev that agrees with this. Its not like they're actually losing money, like a store selling overstocked products at or less than what they cost

>>179562256
It's been out for a week or so dude

>>179562176
I think devs should start putting up obligatory demos again, it was a norm 15-20 years ago.

To a degree I avoid buying games at full price unless I'm really sold on them, and yes I used to* grab a lot of shit on sale and often even forget about it, because out of a bunch of shit I get on sale I usually would never buy otherwise if I knew that the game is mediocre. I know Steam allows hassle-free refunds now but I just can't get used to it.

*I actually kinda stopped buying games on sale a year ago or so, because I just ended up with a lot of games I don't want to play, and buying games at full price makes me think twice before buying them

But seriously, people should start putting up demos, no demos is counter-consumer behavior, but demos are considered harmful for sales so that'll probably never happen.

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I just realized there is a game that could actually implement all of these in a meaningful way with its current content: Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead

>>179562684
>Give a source of a single dev that agrees with this
?
Why does it matter if a single dev agrees or not? What would that prove?

>>179557148
>MONOPOLIES BAD!!!!
When will this meme end? They provide the best service for the lowest price. That's why they have a monopoly. When something better comes along, Steam either shapes up or gets replaced. The breakup of Standard Oil was bullshit too. Businesses don't get that big and successful for no reason; Rockefeller revolutionized the industry. He wasn't "stifling competition", he was just out-competing everyone else.

>>179563413
Oh shit, that list reminded me of Earth Lords for some reason

Volgarr the Viking worth getting from Humble Bundle?

>>179554968
pls respond

>>179554968
that is literally what I'm doing for my sibling, but I'm not quite done yet.

>>179561058
What do you mean by this?

>>179563948
I've heard it's pretty good for what it is and picked it up myself but I don't have personal experience yet

Undertale on PS4 and Vita

>>179565831
No fucking way.

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Was that supposed to be hard?

>>179565831
I'll buy it again

>>179567315
You know what's hard?
Your dick

>>179565831
In this version can I bed Toriel?

>>179565831
I wonder if it would even be possible to put OneShot on anything but a PC.

How much would you have to redesign the game to do so?

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>>179549293
I DID offer my services to Gaelius, but he waved me off saying that his ex-fuckbuddy needs me more. Must be another reputation check then.

I guess Gaelius didn't take the mining outpost incident too well
And okay, I suppose it's not impossible that the Boatmen never completely got over me killing their assassin in the first fight.

But I gave Gaelius a fucking airship, that surely counts for something? And my performance as a Boatman was nothing short of exemplary. Everything recovered, everyone saved, and my loyalty never wavered. Maybe I made some mistakes early on, but then who doesn't? How about we let bygones be bygones, eh?

I mean, Varro's ending is not that bad, but I hated having to kill Hamza. Poor guy wasn't even prepared for a fight, he wasn't a force of destruction in that fight like he was during the Imperial Guard questline.

Never mind. I have unleashed my revenge on them.

I may have become a slave, but I am a slave to a god. The rest of the world? They were not so fortunate.

>>179539576
Boatmen are an interesting and thematically consistent take on an openly tolerated assassin guild in that they're basically just disposable pawns for the local lords. In Teron you're just taking care of problems for the Commercium, and then the guild gets burned down when they fuck with someone who intends to replace the local power. In Maadoran you're Gaelius' personal bitch force or can betray them for another usurper. When the guild doesn't want to play ball they end up like they did in Ganezzar.

While it is interesting and different, however, it is pretty fucking unsatisfying to actually be a boatman as a result.

>>179573303
The one thing that bugs me about this game is that you don't seem to get enough appreciation for what a relentless fucking killing machine you can build your character to be. You can basically be the setting's Lu Bu and nobody seems to give a shit.

>>179555764
>ignoring devil deals
Who in their mind would? They're about the only things with consistent good shit even with the awful deals and red chests it'll throw at you.

>>179578259
Muh angel rooms though

>>179565917
Hotline Miami is on PS4, somehow gamemaker can be ported there

>>179568625
Make sure you get the collectors edition

>>179579493
I heard they got better but I doubt it.

There is nothing wrong with buying games on sale
If the market determines that indie games arent worth $15 then so be it. Devs should be thankful theyre getting anything at all when 90% of them are putting yet another X type game in a crowded as fuck market.

Michel Ancel still should have went indie. If BGE2 is a prequel and the cliffhanger in the first game wont be concluded until 2027 Ill be mad

>>179584448
oh yeah, there was a whole sequel set up to BG&E wasnt there? Damn this gonna be forever

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I like Tidalis, a match-3 game with a lot of room for skill development

>>179584282
Nobody said there was anything wrong with buying games on sale.
The issue is claiming that you are supporting devs by only waiting to buy their game on sale, on one specific platform.
Buying their game so you can play it, regardless of where and how much = supporting devs.
Waiting for a sale on steam =/= supporting devs. That is supporting your wallet.

>>179587158
So is this like some tetris attack/puyo hybrid or something?

>>179576487
That's like every game ever.
Kingdoms of Amalur was pretty shitty for that.
>killed over nine thousands people
>killed the dragon goddess of Fate
>the elf bitch tell you to never tell that to everyone or you'll never wake up

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>>179589702
In Paper Mario some enemies were like "holy shitballs it's Mario, he's going to steam roll us"

And then yes, I full-party-wiped them in one turn.

>>179538283
Did they hire a bunch of [AS] writers or Sam Hyde for this? Seemed like their archetypal brand of cringe comedy and absurdism

>>179587158
What if someone just made a single game that just had every single version of these type of puzzle games as separate modes under one title? As in straight carbon copies gameplaywise of every single indie game that was "classic puzzle game with a twist".
If people can make straight up clones of the gameplay in Monster Hunter, Dark Souls, Wizardry, Zelda, and Castlevania,I dont see how you couldnt get away with it.

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>>179592410
Are you being a retard on purpose or is it natural for you?

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>>179538283
What the hell did I just watch?

>>179597037
Videogames?

>>179590628
The Mario RPGs in general usually make you feel like a bad ass.

>>179571686
I suppose if it's written in RPG maker and it doesn't provide targets other than PC, dev should just move all the assets and re-implement all the logic on other engine.

That's probably a lot of work, but also should be doable, I think at least Hotline Miami did something like that. But then again, Hotline Miami probably made a lot of money.

>>179578259
Nothing wrong with red chests since 50% of red chest item pool is Guppy parts

/indie/ is dead. Long live /indie/!

I am downloading Tale of Wuxia to become the strongest Chinese wariior of all time and be in relationship with more than 10 girls. Truly one of the best games ever.

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This ending area is pretty cool, although I think I missed my last chance to stock up on supplies so I'm loading up an old save to do the final round of Sportsball.

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This boss fight is pretty cool, since you have the option of focusing on the minion or the joy mutant with pros and cons of each. But whichever you do first, I think Sports King is best saved for last. If you kill the joy mutant first, the minion fucks off without putting up a fight though.

>>179552319
Easily one of the top 10 snes rpgs and games.
You should really play Live-A-Live if you haven't yet and the 3 god servant games.

>>179560194
The texture pack looks ok, the water was very nice. The big news for minecraft announced was the crossplay bewteen various systems.

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>>179563830
>They provide the best service for the lowest price. That's why they have a monopoly

>>179598624
I hope the marioxrabbid game is good. The tactical battles look nice but they did not show a single talking npc which is a problem when the dialogue isa very big part of the mario rpg charme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-QqXSlBAag

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Perverts in human clothing bump

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This is just a guess, but I'm assuming this is Beltboy's waifu from the flashbacks?

>>179604391
>You should really play Live-A-Live if you haven't yet

Yeah, I've played Live-A-Live but it's been since /jrpg/ was a thing

>and the 3 god servant games
You mean Actraiser and...?

>>179608182
that looks like the LISA engine

>>179598624
see also Ace Combat games, buddy

>>179522658
So based on this page I'm going to assume that George was just a normal person with a normal head in the old world who was friends with the author and in the world machine he created a character in her likeness with a die for a head because of her opinions on multiverse theory.

>>179600063
Doesn't feel like it with how many times they teleport me or have spiders/bombs.

>>179604641
All I heard was it played like Xcom or something so I'm willing to ignore the godawful rabbids if it's fun.

>>179613179
I hear nothing but good things about those except the one I got for free.

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>>179618771
>spoiler

Assault Horizon, I guess? It's not so bad for what it is, but definitely not representative of the rest of the series.

>>179619748
Yup, and I still haven't gotten around to trying it out.

>>179604575
It's true. Companies don't get big for no reason. They're doing something right unless they lobby themselves into favorable regulations.

>>179621110
Best to emulate one of the PS2 ones if you wanna get into the series. Or wait for the new one which is gonna be on PC.

>>179619748
Why is Akira Toriyama drawing butts?

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>>179622875
Because he's good at it.

>>179623073
I hate you.

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>>179623129
I aim to please.

>>179573303
>I DID offer my services to Gaelius, but he waved me off saying that his ex-fuckbuddy needs me more. Must be another reputation check then.
>I guess Gaelius didn't take the mining outpost incident too well
That must be it. Mercenaries start with 1 House Aurelian reputation. You lose 1 for killing the aurelian spies and 4 (I think) for slaughtering the outpost, so that would put you at -4. No wonder he didn't accept.

I started as loremaster with 3 House Aurelian reputation, lost 1 by killing the spies and ignored the outpost. He accepted me as his liegeman so 2 is enough.

After one quest where I got another 1 point of reputation I passed a check to be accepted as a praetor, I don't think that 1 point was necessary though.

>And okay, I suppose it's not impossible that the Boatmen never completely got over me killing their assassin in the first fight.
You don't lose any reputation for killing the assassin as a mercenary, but mercenaries start with 0 boatmen repuation to begin with. Assassins on the other hand start with 3.

>But I gave Gaelius a fucking airship, that surely counts for something?
It would if you were working for him directly. But you were working for Darista so she doesn't give a fuck.

>Everything recovered, everyone saved, and my loyalty never wavered. Maybe I made some mistakes early on, but then who doesn't? How about we let bygones be bygones, eh?
Well, they did let you stay. Just didn't give you a very high position.

>I may have become a slave, but I am a slave to a god. The rest of the world? They were not so fortunate.
Shit, it's possible to bring Militades to him now? That's new. How did you finish his quest?

>>179576487
> you don't seem to get enough appreciation for what a relentless fucking killing machine you can build your character to be
That's simply wrong. Did we play the same game?

There is more than a dozen of [body count] checks where you intimidate people into doing what you want based on how many people you killed. Some are guild-specific, like intimidating the merchant lady to shut the fuck up and keep quiet during the thieves quest to steal the jar from Strabos.

>>179622875
He's always drawn butts
Judging by his affinity for it and the various lewd moments in his work, I suspect he's at least as perverted as the average Japanese male

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>>179575912
Playing a Boatman was certainly interesting. No aspirations, very little political maneuvering. Considering the factions origins it is surprising that they are the only faction (from what I can tell based on two playthroughs) who don't really want anything at all. Everyone in the guild is chill as fuck, and as long as the contracts keep coming life is good. You even get dialog options that are basically "status quo is best, leave me alone".

Varro was like the only one with some ambition, but not even he was going to lift a finger until his guild got torched down and he was left alone.

>>179624416
Well, there are the body count checks, and also some people recognizing you if you become the Arena champion, like the soldiers in Ganezzar or the raider leader at the Mountain Monastery. Also the Imperial Guard questline is almost entirely about surviving very bad odds, and you get complimented for it.

But it's a shame there isn't any body count check for absurdly high numbers.

>>179624416
Yeah, going with the Assassin background would have worked better. Originally I thought I'd just check out the first few quests in Teron and call it a day, so I wasn't too fussy about such details. How I ended up doing a full playthrough I'm not even sure.

Not that I have a problem with it, the difference between my two runs was very interesting. As an Imperial Guard you are constantly shat on by your superiors, but at the end of the day if you serve well you can earn their respect by the end. The Boatmen on the other hand have a sense of some kind of camaraderie from the start, they are usually friendly, appreciate good work, and then kick you in the balls with that ending. Too bad I don't have the patience to do another assassin run, I might have to check some youtube videos to see if better reputation would have got me a better ending.

Speaking of checks, what the crap is intimidate? That's not a skill, stat, or reputation I know of.

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>>179624416
>Shit, it's possible to bring Militades to him now? That's new. How did you finish his quest?

It sure is. I don't know if there are other ways, but I got the option when I sided with Varro and won the Ganezzar siege for Meru.

While I was doing my thing in the Temple, Miltiades worked his way into Meru's court. So when I returned to pick Meru up and take him to Agathoth, I could ask Meru to let this asshole tag along. And then Miltiades slit Meru's throat at Hellgate. Big surprise there.

>>179627941
>But it's a shame there isn't any body count check for absurdly high numbers
Well, there is that post-Al Sahir arena fight where the guy tells you he killed over 100 men. You can tell him you killed more.

>Speaking of checks, what the crap is intimidate? That's not a skill, stat, or reputation I know of.
It's a combination of body count, combat reputation and STR/DEX/CON.

>>179628336
>jovial charisma

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>>179628701
>Well, there is that post-Al Sahir arena fight where the guy tells you he killed over 100 men.

Was that a body count check? It was not marked as one. And he doesn't believe you anyway.

>It's a combination of body count, combat reputation and STR/DEX/CON.

Ah, thanks. This is the first time I see it.

>>179628895
What else would you call this?

>>179632181
Well. I can't really disagree, he does have some charisma.
Reminds me a bit of Benny from Fallout New Vegas. That guy completely manipulated me, even through he's just a NPC.

>Officially, your position is that of Quaestor, reporting to the Magistratus of Ganezzar. In reality, you are head of the local branch of the Boatmen, tasked with preventing the spread of Meru's faith and rooting out and eliminating zealots. The first week was the hardest, but your men worked day and night to prod the preachers, their more violent adherents, and a few dozen noble sympathizers on their way out of the city. Some chose the road to the desert, others the road from which there is no return. The Creed yet persists in a few silent quarters - the Empire wasn't leveled overnight after all - but you've only just gotten started.

Okay, I admit this is a better ending. I have done everything I could, but my mercenary background could only get me so far. I feel discriminated against.

>>179632536
Never played New Vegas, so I don't know anything about that guy. But Miltiades is a fucking terrible manipulator, that's what makes him so fun. He picks his targets like a blind idiot, and his schemes always backfire. His charisma is the only thing that keeps players from just slitting his throat. He is entertaining, and you want to see where this is going.

>>179635692
Benny is the guy that shoots you in the head. He managed to sweet talk me into not gutting him in public.

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>>179611679
It's a Fangame called Lisa the Hopeful.

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Jesus that was close. Good thing I was watching the catalog.

>>179635692
Keep in mind Charisma affects the reputation gain.

Assassin background with 4 CHA stars with 2 boatmen reputation, 5 CHA starts with 3, 10 CHA starts with 7. This affects all the reputation gain in the game.

While it's not impossible to reach high reputation with low CHA (I reach 18 House Aurelian reputation and got the Consul ending with 4 CHA) it requires a lot more optimization.

>>179636879
Looks like trash.

>>179643054
Welcome to "fuck you : The Game".
>inb4 DD's defense force arrives

>>179643209
Multiple people finished NG+ without a single death. Enough said.

>>179643458
t. Red Hook

>>179643569
Well that's a fact.

The only true issues with DD are insane amount of grind (Never Again being the worst offender), relatively small amount of content stretched extremaly thin over 3 tiers of dungeons and extreme repetitiveness with very little variety. RNG is manageable once you git gud.

It is possible to get completly fucked from time to time with no way to prevent it, like getting hit by a crit multiple times in arow or getting very unlucky with speed rolls, but it's extremaly rare and to be expected.

>>179644018
Okay, Red Hook.

>>179644121
Maybe you should try to argue even a single one of his points.

>>179644791
Your points have already been shot down several times in this general, I'm not going to repeat myself every time Red Hook tries to defend their sucky game.
Especially with bullshit arguments like "well other can do it" and "just git gud".

>>179645026
>bullshit arguments like "well other can do it"
Sounds like a pretty good argument to me. If others can do it then the issue must be with you, not the game itself.

>>179645026
I don't even like the game, but your dismissive attitude is fucking garbage.

>>179645179
>>179645219
t. Red Hook

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>>179645316
Go fuck yourself.

>>179643209
Risk managment of a proper level isn't common in games, so bads will cry tears.
That said, the worst part of the game is the uneven grind, since there isn't that much content.

>>179646095
No, the worst part is the RNG. Unlike Xcom where you can manage your troops to minize risks, in DD, you can't do anything.
And the second worst part is how deep in denial the fanboys are.
Grinding comes third because that's what you notice the last, and it get on your nerves especially after you lose a good hero because the game decided to be a piece of shit.

>>179646335
>you can't do anything
Wonder how did all those people managed to finish NG+ with no deaths then. If you were truly unable to affect the odds at all, you would be bound to lose a hero during those 86 weeks.

>>179561058
You mean the George personality thing? She was really skittish, I think. What side would that be?

>>179643458
I've said it before and will say it again, it's not really a good argument against RNG unless people can do that consistently

Otherwise clearing it with no deaths can be written off as extreme luck

>>179648672
Or as save scumming.
I managed to finish Dark Souls without dying once with intense savescumming.

DD sure feels like a newgrounds flash game. The graphics, the badly designed gameplay, the edgy theme, little real content.

Am I alone on this?

>>179648672
>it's not really a good argument against RNG unless people can do that consistently
Consistent win rate does not necessary mean high win rate. Nobody cries about RNG in roguelikes like DCSS despite absolutely nobody having anywhere near 100% winrate.

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>>179648672
> it's not really a good argument against RNG unless people can do that consistently
The fact that people finished NG+ without deaths is proof of being able to finish runs without deaths, which further proves RNG is completly manageable if you know what you are doing.

>Otherwise clearing it with no deaths can be written off as extreme luck
A NG+ runs gives you 86 weeks to finish the game. People who did it all took at least 60 weeks to do it.

60 weeks means 60 expeditions. 60 expeditions means 600 fights at thevery least, possibly more. Also, keep in mind enemies in NG+ have considerably more health and deal considerably more damage which akes you even more susceptible to RNG and requires more proper risk mangment to overcome.

This a huge sample with not a single death done by many people.

But yes, it is possible to get screwed. It is possible to get focused down by spiders and critted to deats (especially early on when you don't have that many ways of increasing your SPD) and so on. But it is those situations that are extremaly unlikely, not the other way around.

And even if this happens, the game clearly tells you retreating is an option that you should use if things go south. There is quite literally no excuse for party wipes, as soon as one hero dies retreating is the best course of action.

Shit, it's like going all-in with 2-7 pre-flop in Texas Holdem and complaining about bad RNG. Folding a bad hand is just as important as betting with a good one.

>>179649857
Actually, I noticed that as well. It feels like a flash game.
>only use your mouse, keyboard is barely used
>a lot of drag&drop elements

Also, even the people who are really good at the game only make a successful run a minority of the time.

>>179649857
>DD sure feels like a newgrounds flash game. The graphics, the badly designed gameplay, the edgy theme, little real content.
I don't think any newgrounds flash games had this much grind.

Really, the grind is the main issue. Especially when you are forced to grind another 18 lvl 6 heroes with maxed gear/skills and good quirks because of Never Again bullshit.

I heard Radiant Mode kinda fixes this, but I didn't play it yet.

>>179650017
>This a huge sample with not a single death done by many people.
What is the source of this data?

>>179650507
The Internet.

http://www.darkestdungeon.com/topic/my-experiences-with-ng/

You can look for more if you like. I think this one gets the point across.

>>179650746
Okay so it's statistically irrelevant bullshit. Let me tell you, few hardcore fans of the game boasting about their achievements does not paint a realistic picture of the overall win rates. Take your "yuge sample" and shove it up your ass.

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Atelier Sopie is a pleasant suprise, really scratches the same itch as Kamidori Alchemy Meister (another game that I need to finish someday). I wish the crafting was less min/maxing and a bit more transparent, but I guess that's supposed to be the appeal.

>>179650939
>Okay so it's statistically irrelevant bullshit.
I don't see how.

>Let me tell you, few hardcore fans of the game boasting about their achievements does not paint a realistic picture of the overall win rates.
It certainly does prove RNG is manageable if you are good enough.

Whether most of the players is good enough or not is not relevant here, either the RNG is fair or not, you can't have it both ways.

There is also a huge gap between "no deaths at all in NG+ in 55 weeks" and "a couple of deaths here and there on normal in as many weeks as you want ". The latter is significantly easier to achieve.

>Take your "yuge sample" and shove it up your ass
Confirmation bias is hell of a drug I guess.

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>>179548756
This game had such satisfying combat.

>>179651543
I really wanted to like Atelier.

>>179650939
>Let me tell you, few hardcore fans of the game boasting about their achievements does not paint a realistic picture of the overall win rates.

>Professional basketball player can hit 99 out of 100 throws
>I can hit only 5 out of 100
>therefore, basketball is RNG bullshit
This is you right now.

>>179643209
Nigga the RNG in that game is easily manageable, but not taking risks makes it even more of a tedious grind than it already is.

>>179646335
>XCom
Unless you mean old XCom, your argument is invalid. Neo XCom is fucking shit and has more more bullshit RNG/less tactical options to avoid bullshit than DD.

>>179651591
I wish this game had a shuffle option for the music. I only ever end up picking the tracks on the first page because I'm not going to sit there and listen to 30 song and deliberate which ones I want. Just pick them for me.

>>179651780
What did you dislike about it? The SoL-tier story? Yeah, I guess it isn't great, but one could argue that it's "comfy".
Combat isn't the best JRPG combat, but certainly not the wors (Neptunia says hello). It's sowhere in the middle I'd say.
Lack of enemy variety kind of triggers me, but oh well.

>>179652327
i usually just pick 1 track from each page and cycle through them that way, buying new music when i can.

>>179650017
Dude, are you having trouble comprehending my first sentence or you just didn't bother reading it to the end?

RNG can be considered manageable if you can have a wanted result (e.g. clear the ng+ without deaths) in a controlled manner (e.g. 9 times out of 10), not just "some players can do it once in a while" because that rare occurrence can be written off as a good luck with RNG at that specific run.

I'm not even discussing DD right now, I'm addressing the flawed logic in your original argument.

>>179651556
Do you even know what statistically relevant/significant means? Please look it up and don't fucking talk about huge samples when you have nothing but poorly sampled anecdotal evidence.

>Confirmation bias is hell of a drug I guess.
Oh the irony, your claim is a perfect textbook example of sampling bias. If it can even be called a sample.

For the record, I have no interest in the game beyond correcting you so I'm fairly unbiased. But I might miss the little meta nuances that the game's shitters and defenders have going on.

>>179651851
Lovely strawman, greentext really is the perfect medium for those. But calm your RNG-pants, I'm merely teaching that guy why his "huge sample with not a single death done by many people" is stupid.

>>179652470
It's just combat was so meh, and while Neptunia's isn't great I still don't mind it. It's just the cast of the one I played was underwhelming as hell and fights weren't fun until the first time Astral Blader played. Crafting and doing stuff is great and all but I'm not a fan of the timer only because there was a character I wanted to buy but she's only usable in the final year.

why do people defend darkest dungeon so hard? you know its ok if other people dont like a game you like.

>>179652964
I don't see the problem with this debate. I really didn't like the game at all because I didn't think it was fun or interesting, but I am interested in seeing people arguing what is and is not a problem with the game.

>>179653152
>I really didn't like the game at all because I didn't think it was fun or interesting, but I am interested in seeing people arguing what is and is not a problem with the game.
i tried really hard to like it, since i like grinding but i guess it was too hard for me.
the concept of it is pretty neat and i think the devs hit the nail on the head; the whole stress of going through dungeons and fighting monsters affecting the party members in various ways and such. its cool, though i dont think it makes for good gameplay.

>>179652929
Well, I'm playing Sopgie, which has no timer (god I hate JRPGs that do time/turn limits). The cast is generally likeable, even if very shallow. Combat is okay, with the support/stance system and the heavy reliance on crafted consomables is quite fun (most JRPGs completely neglect consumables except for boss battles).
No idea how different the combat is, considering that it still feels kinda "basic" and "indie".

>>179652964
It's okay to dislike a game, but people bash it for dumb reasons. I'm completly fine with people not wanting to play it because it's grindy and they don't like managing scarce resources (food/inventory/stress/HP/consumables) and risk. Or because they can't handle losing characters and such.

It's just that most complaints are literally DSP tier "WOOOOOOOOOOOOW, NOTHING I COULD DO".

>>179652775
>RNG can be considered manageable if you can have a wanted result (e.g. clear the ng+ without deaths) in a controlled manner (e.g. 9 times out of 10), not just "some players can do it once in a while" because that rare occurrence can be written off as a good luck with RNG at that specific run.
Look, NG+ run with no deaths at all is an extreme example. The most extreme and unlikely example there is.

The point is that since this is possible and done by many people, less optimal results that are significantly more likely (such as no deaths in normal mode, or even a few deaths here and there) can be achieved 9 times out of 10. If you couldn't achieve that in a controlled manner, NG+ with no deaths would be statistically impossible. It's not, so go figure.

>>179652865
>Do you even know what statistically relevant/significant means? Please look it up and don't fucking talk about huge samples when you have nothing but poorly sampled anecdotal evidence.
How is 600 not a big enough sample to not write something off as extreme luck?

>Oh the irony, your claim is a perfect textbook example of sampling bias. If it can even be called a sample.
I am not claiming NG+ runs with no deaths are a guarantee. I'm saying that since they are possible and were done many times, they cannot be called "extreme luck" and show that RNG is manageable even at the highest difficulty, making it even more manageable with less skill required on normal with a few deaths.


>>179652964
>why do people correct false statements
Gee I dunno.

Most people, including me, just point out that RNG is not the main issue. Grind is absolutely terrible, but RNG is just fine in the context of a risk managment game.

>>179653741
>It's just that most complaints are literally DSP tier "WOOOOOOOOOOOOW, NOTHING I COULD DO".
to be fair, incidents like that DO occur in darkest dungeon. you can get crit twice in a row and lose a character, literally not being able to do anything about it.
>>179653890
>why do people correct false statements
thats not what i said or meant, i asked why people defend the game so hard. opinions are not "false statements".

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>>179653352
It already sounds like a huge improvement from Meruru. I don't mind time limits really, unless it's all the time. There are exceptions like Dead Rising because if you don't want to deal with the time limit you can just say fuck it and keep playing. Looks like I won't be trying it out either because I'm on an i5 and I'd like to not suffer another stuttery jrpg.

>>179654067
> you can get crit twice in a row and lose a character, literally not being able to do anything about it
2 crits are hardly enough to kill a character. I don't think 2 cirts are even enough to put someone at death's door in most cases, safe for bosses.

Early on you don't have as many options, but enemies simply do not deal enough damage to kill you in 2 hits. Later on this is possible, but by this point you have a wide variety of options to avoid this. Speed, dodge, guard, shuffles, pulls, debuffs, etc.

There are cases where you can lose a hero and not be able to do anything about it, but it's rare. Extremaly rare. Rare to the point where it might not happen even once in the entire game. And even if it happens, you can retreat to cut your loses, which is something the game encourages.

>opinions are not "false statements"
But it's not a matter of opinion. Saying that RNG in Darkest Dungeon is completly unmanageable and you can't do anything about it is just plain incorrect.

>>179654067
On NG+, sure. But on normal, there's so many failsafes. You can abort the mission at any time, even during combat (it only has a significant chance to fail if you have characters that already hit 100 stress). The Deaths Door mechanic is also really forgiving. Most characters have good Death Blow reistance and you literally need to heal a single HP to get back from Deaths Door.

All you need for a deathless run on a non-NG+ games is a decent understanding of the game (you can read up everything on the wiki if you want) and some patience.

>>179651667
And I liked the girl's ass.
Evil campaign way easier than the other.

>>179652050
>I don't like it therefore it's a poor argument
Lol okay.

Just pulled a trigger on Rain World and Skylar & Plux

>>179654794
More like
>neo-XCom is bad and you should feel bad

>Evil campaign way easier than the other.
True, although if I remember correctly it had much more fun character classes.

>>179654259
Try out Kamidori Alchemy Meister then, should run on a toaster and looks pretty nice.

>>179655040
The evil characters were less sexy than the druid, but the maps were more straighforward. It was more action-oriented, and less puzzle.

Wizards OP tho

>>179655171
I have actually, and went down the pink girl's route only to discover that's the hardest route to do the first time around. I still need to redownload it on this computer because picking up where I left off and I'm sure there's some things I'd love to redo.

>>179653890
>600
Where did you get that from? You only linked me a thread with 6 posters. Unfortunately it's hard to gather any kind of meaningful statistics because the game doesn't appear have any kind of online leaderboards nor player-tracking spyware beyond steam achievements.

Anyways according to steamspy, the game has 1.2 million players. 600 out of those would still be a tiny meaningless fraction, 0.05%. Not a yuge sample. Maybe it's not about extreme luck but it's safe to say that it is something that practically nobody has done, for whatever reasons.

>>179655684
Planned to do her Route on the current run, what's so bad about it?

>>179656189
I want to say everything because most places recommend doing hers last but I managed to pull through somehow. There were some near impossible to win situations and I remember cheesing some places to get by. I might torture myself and do it again when I get around to it because I like short haired girls.

>>179598624
How many turn based games out there let you avoid literally all damage with well-timed button presses?

>>179659129
>turn based games
>well-timed button presses
Does not compute! Turn-based games are not supposed to be about twitch gameplay, although I remember playing a few titles with similar gimmick.

>>179659438
Mario and Luigi works exactly like that.

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>>179659849
What is this, I'm genuinely interested

>>179659990
VA11-HALL-A I think

>>179659990
a visual novel. its pretty chill. nice music and atmosphere, interesting dialogue and interaction. you are a bartender, you make different drinks for customers and learn about them and stuff.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/447530/VA11_HallA_Cyberpunk_Bartender_Action/

>>179660146
Oh, VA-11 HALL-A, that's what I thought it was at first but I'd never seen a screen like that so I thought it was something new trying to do something similar

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>>179660484
i have not finished the game yet, but there are other environments besides the bar. you can go shopping, read stuff on your phone(there is a joke version of 4chan in the game, except its used almost all by women), and ive had people come over my house to drink beer as well. you also have a talking cat.

>>179660810
Already own it and was gonna play it someday when I had time, but that's interesting to know

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>>179641595

I liked it.

I only had like 10 bottles here. Does anyone know what you get if you have 50 empty bottles?

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>>179647252

T-t-t-they just got l-l-lucky, that's a-a-all!

>stuns don't exist
>dodge doesn't exist
>healing doesn't exist
>buffs don't exist
>debuffs don't exist
>protection doesn't exist
>guarding doesn't exist
>trinkets don't exist
>healing items don't exist
>enemy shuffling moves don't exist

Do the people who cry MUH RNG endlessly just mindlessly attack random enemies and then go WOOOOOOOOOOOW when they get killed?

>>179587892
Both are still supporting the devs. The devs still receive money and thus are being supported.

>>179598624
Superstar Saga is the only one I've played and pretty much everyone shits on you cause you're a foreigner

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>>179662469
>The Mario RPGs in general usually make you feel like a bad ass.
>The Mario RPGs in general
>in general

>>179661975
>>enemy shuffling moves don't exist
To be honest shuffling has extremlay limited use. Pulling bone nobility to the 1st rank is pretty much the only case where it's 100% worth it and only if you have a solid chance for it to succeed. Kinda useful for the fishfolk shamans as well.

Pushing melee guys to the back so they use a shitty low-damage skill is hardly worth it on its own, but Bounty Hunter Upeercut does that and stun at the same time so it's alright.


Other than that I would rather do something else than shuffle. Cheesing Drowned Crew by pulling it in front of the anchor is actually not a good idea, killing it normally takes longer but is much safer.

>>179662686
Paper Mario count as Mario RPG.

>>179662469
The game also lets you beat absolutely everything in the game without grinding at all if you git gud.

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>>179663009
>>Pushing melee guys to the back so they use a shitty low-damage skill is hardly worth it on its own, but Bounty Hunter Upeercut does that and stun at the same time so it's alright.

It can be good if you set it up so there is a melee guy in the 2nd and 3rd rank. You get a 50% chance of the 3rd rank guy doing a shit attack first, which will push the 2nd guy to the 3rd rank and make him do another shitty attack, and a 50 chance of the 3rd rank going second, which still makes the 2nd guy go in the 3rd rank and start the whole thing over again next turn.

I think this just works for skeleton knights and the melee mushroom guys though.

The fat bandit + knife bandit + gun bandit is also a good target for the tentacle grab or grappling hook skill. You can pull the gun bandit to the front, which shoves the knife bandit to the back, forcing both of them to waste their turn with a rushed shot and shitty stab.

what has everyone been playing around here lately? looking for a new game to play; perhaps something like a dungeon crawler or games like underrail/the old infinity engine games

>>179664875
I've been playing Baroque and its giving me that OFF vibe
>OUCH STOP, PURIFICATION NOT NEEDED

>>179662686
I'm just saying. Outside of the kingdom the plumbers are literally whos.

>>179664875
Deus Ex, Alien Isolation, Tera, Alien Isolation, Cossacks 3, Alien Isolation.

I only play 5 minutes of Alien Isolation every time.

>>179659129
I can't think of too many

>>179659438
Worked for Mario, and Jinx would have a fucking field day with people that couldn't defend themselves.

>>179662686
>and your other arm

>>179661476
You get Beltboy's ultimate weapon.

>>179659438
Honestly why not. Very few turn based RPGames require heavy tactics or strategy, even the ones that actively prevent you from grinding.
If it's a heavily story based JRPG style game, I don't see how its a worse alternative to yet another game where we minmax high health and no defense to exploit mirror damage and percent health attacks, or mindlessly stack poison damage

>>179659438
>Turn-based games are not supposed to be about twitch gameplay
True. You don't overreact and yell like a retarded faggot.

>>179659129
Mine. It's actually one of the core mechanics.
Although, It isn't really turn-based in the traditional sense.

>>179659129
Technically that is how Undertale works if you really think about it.

>>179669560
B-but then how am I supposed to post on 4chan if not like a retarded faggot?

>>179522658
This is a cool general. Is it a recent thing?

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also, I'm gonna start Off for the first time so I'm glad I came across this.

>>179672559
Not really. I remember an indie games general as far back as 2015. I only started actively posting here a few months ago so I don't know how often was alive between then and now.

>>179673016
*how often it was alive

>>179672559
It started late 2015/early 2016 as /irpg/ and then turned into /indie/ at some point after that in 2016

How do I into Yume Nikki spin offs?

>>179672559
It's been around for a while, actually.

We're just really slow and hit page 10 a lot.

AND SPEAKING OF PAGE 10

>>179594372
>我一副见了鬼的样子
>my face when I see a ghost
>my face when
hee hee I guess it shouldn't be surprising, but I find it funny the chinamen have this meme too

>>179643458
but how much did they grind

>>179669560
Streaming turn based RPGs sounds boring as h*ck

>>179677735
I've done it before, it just requires that you compensate for the tedious-to-watch combat by being entertaining yourself in one way or another

A challenge for many people on the internet, I know

>>179677735
You funny guy. I kill you last.

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>when you revisit a game because you're not sure you've heard every song on the soundtrack in game

>>179677735
I've watched a turn-based RPG stream or ten, it's fine

>>179594372
This is a serious issue

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Finished Hopeful, and got the Bad End, Joyful end, and Joyless end.

Looking up the Pain mode ending on youtube, and man the original Hart mutant looked terrible. Glad they upgraded his sprite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWbD6INEqD0

So what's the deal with the chick at the end? She doesn't look like the girl Beltboy was friends with as a kid. Is she that "Five" person from the joy lab overrun with creeps? Is she and the joy lab related to anything else in the story?

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>>179682223

Also, was it Buddy playing the trumpet offscreen to make the Lovely's crash, or Yado? I see Yado's flags, but maybe Buddy never bothered to remove them, since there isn't much need to make a flag of her own by the time she killed Yado

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>post dankest dungeon image since it's page 10
>accidentally riled up someone

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Fuck yes

>>179680113
man the knytt games are so great and overlooked, especially knytt stories. so many great custom maps for knytt stories; i mustve put a hundred hours in that game just exploring all these giant custom worlds

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>>179684995
>mfw

general tips for darkest dungeon? what things should i upgrade in the town first, besides the thing that brings in more heroes?
should i be training different heroes all the time in low level dungeons, or keep going with what i have until i lose a party member? or are both of those options way off?
any useful guides or links would be appreciated as well.

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>>179690187
>page 10

>>179693087
Did not mean that as a reply

Realm Grinder is still pretty fun.

>>179675010
take drugs, fall asleep, dream vividly

>>179690187
there used to be a darkest dungeon general with a pastebin full of helpful answers
i guess it's dead now though

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>>179695136
That general rises from the grave every once in a while, maybe it'll come back after the DLC comes out.

>>179690187
You'll want to keep the blacksmith and guild well-upgraded to keep up with the more difficult dungeons later on. The sanitarium is a good investment, but two heroes can cure diseases for free while camping and you can get through the entire game without touching quirk management, so it isn't really necessary. The survivalist and nomad wagon are a decent use of crests if you have some to spare. The abbey and tavern should be your lowest priority for upgrades, since they'll rarely see use if you practice good stress management. The deeds and portraits required to upgrade them would be better spent on the blacksmith and guild, anyway.

It doesn't really matter how you train your heroes, but by the end of the game you'll need at least four fully-upgraded parties to do the four darkest dungeon missions. For quests, abuse stuns and the retreat button. I like bringing a dedicated healer and stress-healer on my parties, but you don't need them to do well. Also, learn/google curio interactions.

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I was looking at the comments of the youtube vid "Hopeful in a Nutshell" and noticed someone saying that Cyclops has a different speech when he dies if you haven't taken any joy at that point.

If there are other things like that in the game, I think that's a nice touch, since in Painful, taking joy only affects the very end of the game.

What do you think of OFF?

>>179696801
It's distressing.

>>179696801
Concept/world-wise, it's interesting.
Gameplay-wise, not so much.

>>179696140
not sure if you noticed during your playthrough, but if you let any of your party members take joy before they abandon you, you will fight them as joy mutants

>>179702370
That's actually a nice touch.

>>179680113
One of the best plattformers of all time.

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I want to watch as Estelle and Joshua get married.

>>179696801
Atmosphere is good.
Music is god-tier.
Gameplay is average.
More puzzle-oriented than strategy.

>>179690187
>what things should i upgrade in the town first
Stage Coach
Blacksmith and Guild
Abbey
Sanitarium
In this order. It's absolutely essential to get a steady source of new heroes and decent roster size first.

When that is done you should mainyl focus on upgrading the gear and skills of your heroes.

Upgrading the abbey for improved stress relief is far less important.

Sanitarium is very nice, but quirk treatment is expensive even with upgrades and only shines late in the game when you already have good gear and skills. Feel free to improve medical devices sooner though, cheap disease treatment is worth it. You can treat diseases with heroes as well, but it's less reliable.

As for other buildings and why I didn't mention them:

Tavern serves the exact same purpose as Abbey, that is stress relief. The problem is that it's a waste of resources to upgrade 2 buildings that serve the same purpose and Tavern is strictly inferior for a few reasons:

1. it requires portraits to upgrade, which detracts from guild upgrades. Abbey requires busts, which detracts from sanitarium upgrades. The thing is upgrading the guild is a top priority while sanitarium is not.

2. The potential negative effects of Tavern are far worse than Abbey. Drinking has only negative effects with no positives. Gambling can make you lose a trinket. Brothel is actually pretty cool because you can get a +5 SPEED bonus, which is huge, but it's just as likely to get a -5 SPEED debuff which is crippling.

Overall, stay away from the Tavern unless you have a hero with a quirk that forces him to go there. If it's gambler, get rid of the quirk, don't risk losing trinkets. Even then, don't waste resources to upgrade it.

Survivalist is important because good selection of camping skills can make all the difference, but you own't be buying them all that often and all the upgrades do is lower the cost. You can upgrade it once or twice but it's not really worth it.

con.

>>179690187
>>179708089
Nomad Wagon sucks. It requires a fuckton of money to get a trinket you could get during an expedition and it's not even likely that the wagon will have something you want.

Upgrades lower the cost, but cost a fuck ton of crests instead.

It's just not worth the investment. EArly on yuo can't afford to spend so much money/crests on a small chance of getting a nice trinket and later on you will be swimming in money if you to buy one.

>should i be training different heroes all the time in low level dungeons, or keep going with what i have until i lose a party member?
Generally it's best to train heroes and upgrade their gear. It's a good investment.

Don't listen to people who suggest "suicide runs" with fresh heroes you put no money in, it's a poor strategy that actually wastes more of your time than giving new heroes proper skills and gear.

Is Starbound finally good?

Or at least playable?

>>179711704
It's a very schizophrenic game, but it's kinda playable, especially if you have a group of people to play with

>>179713429
Well, I don't.

>decide to play iji again after so many years
>forget about how many hidden things there are in the game and how anal of a completionist I am

Fuck, how am I gonna get through this

>>179713564
I'd say I still find it playable alone but it's not super fun

There is some nice exploration aspect and cool dungeons
You can also build a lot of crap and this game has shitton of miscellaneous furniture

It also has a lot of systems, cooking food, buffs, farming, crafting, pokemon-like system where you capture monsters and they can be used as companions, ship-building, terraforming, boss fights, etc. Recently they've added mechs and space station buildling.

And there's a lot of content in each system, e.g. I think there a few hundred of different food recipes in the game, couple of hundred capturable monsters, etc.

But at the same time every system sucks if you dig deep into it

It's very hard to recommend this game but I had some fun with it, so it may be worth getting on sale, but don't get your hopes up

>>179714040
I got it in early access, it was shit.

>>179714091
Well they've improved it a lot but I'd say it's still not a good game because they mostly keep adding new systems instead of polishing existing ones

>>179714091
Do you remember the Starbound general before the game was released? Holy shit we brigaded the Chucklefish forums hard.

>>179714241
Well, fuck.

>>179714290
I did.

>>179713992
>it crashed
uh

Alright, I guess I'm not playing Iji today

>>179713992
Iji is a great game.

>>179680113
good taste here

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>>179702370
I never gave anybody any joy, but that's a cool feature. If you give Lanks and Cyclops joy, but not Beltboy, do you still get the joyful ending? I got the impression that Beltboy never touched the stuff before the game takes place.

What are the must-play indie games of the last year or two? I haven't really been keeping up, but it seems like a bunch have come out.

I guess I should also finally boot up middens, which I downloaded years ago,
but whatever

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Batter up, mates!

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>get a 90% coupon
>they're almost always for shit games but I still check them out just for laughs
>open the game's store page
>realize that you recognize the art style
>it's that artist who does horribly twisted furry snuff & vore porn

>>179719690
>despite this there are hundreds of other artists who completely stop doing porn or only do the most vanilla shit because they actually think anyone gets blacklisted over some drawings

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Quick question about Stardew Valley:
I'm currently at my 9th in-game day and the "story" so far seems pretty shallow in terms of character interactions.
I assumed it would be more dating-sim-like, but so far nothing of that sort. Hell, all dialogues are one-sided.

Should I just go play some dating sim or will the story get better?

>>179718062
Hollow Knight is a pretty good Metroidvania. Rain World is a painful and miserable experience, but many people enjoy that kind of thing. If you already owned Shovel Knight, then Specter of Torment is pretty good (and is a free update). I also really recommend OneShot if you like story-based adventure games.

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>>179720936
Have you played any Harvest Moon game?

They're all about grinding to raise your relationship. The true dates happen on some special occasions.

>>179720936
Basically your entire time in Stardew is about building up your farm and skillset while befriending the locals and learning about them. It is actually a pretty screwed-up, dysfunctional town once you learn more about everyone living there.

>>179721193
>>179721297

Thanks, anons.

>>179721160
What about, Axiom Verge, Night in the Woods, and Hyper Light Drifter? Are those good, or just popular?

>>179722181
Axiom Verge isn't great.

I haven't played the other two, so I can't give an opinion on those.

>>179718062
>>179721160
Oh also, I really, really liked Furi. It is a really hard game, so it might not be for everyone. Watch one of the boss fights and decide if it is the kind of game for you.

>>179722181
HLD is good

>>179722429
I have a friend who really liked Furi. In fact, I've watched him, uh, beat the entire game. It doesn't look like the kind of game that's particularly spoiled just by having seen it, since it's so execution focused, but I'm worried I might have ruined it for myself anyway.

>>179722259
Is it really not? What's wrong with it?

>>179723154
Not really, actually.
I tried Furi after seeing some shitty Youtuber failing at it (it was Phil Burnell, that faggot), and I still had fun. Well, for a limited while anyway. It's pretty forgiving, but you die a lot.

>>179723154
Axiom Verge's biggest problem is that the environments don't have a lot of personality. You go from one zone to another and their overall character is very similar.

>>179722181
Hyperlight has great gameplay, hands down. Controls are tight, you have a ton of options, and there are easymodo weapons. The only part of the game that is slow is the optional arena, waiting between waves of spawns.

Graphics are good, but not defined enough to really care about the world as a setting. If you don't pay REALLY close attention it can feel like splotches on your screen.

Artstyle is a breath of fresh air. Not cutesy, more subtle gore, and it gets a lot of variety out of such a zoomed out view with small sprites.

Design-wise, they do that thing where there's ALWAYS a hint to the secret. There is literally 2 spots where I made a leap of faith, and 3 where I need to move to a specific spot for the camera to inexplicably pan. Most of the puzzles are laid out to the observant.

Story is opaque as fuck. The only words are ciphered monoliths, but people talk through illustration.You're not gonna get this unless you go lookup wikis on what the hell is going on.

>>179722181
HLD is a good game, but has the glaring flaw that it is way too short. In particular, a LOT of content was cut during development. Several bosses, a few areas, etc -- not a problem for someone who didn't follow development, but kinda crappy for those who did.

Additionally, the entire endgame felt rushed. The southern area was lackluster for all the hype they built up with it, only to turn out to be miniboss hell, and the area before the Immortal Cell (I call it the Beating Heart for simplicity) was completely devoid of anything BUT the Immortal Cell. It's thematically functional since the Beating Heart was sealed off from the rest of the world since what might as well be ancient times, but from a gameplay perspective, it sucked.

I give it about a 7/10. Radio the Universe will be better.

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>send the same group out 3 weeks in a row and they keep coming back with less stress

>>179719690
Link to game?

>>179730898
What a blessed group.

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>Level 2H to 30 and finally get the rank up for new animations
>Still slow as shit
>Still a gazillion frames where you can't parry or backstep
Why is chapter 1 so fucking long? It drags on forever. WHY
Enemies oneshotting you if they crit is also terrible as fuck

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>>179730898

Speaking of Furi, what are your favorite songs in that game?

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>>179735137
>Still a gazillion frames where you can't parry or backstep
You are doing something wrong.

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>>179735137
>>179738923

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>>179735137
>>179738923
>>179739086

>>179738465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZv2OCbQOmI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PzP7REU2o0

>>179722181
>>179723154
I thought Axiom Verge was pretty good. It's strongest point is how effectively it subverts most Metroid tropes with pretty much every unlockable power-up, and how there are a lot of secrets and content to explore.

The world itself does a good job at feeling alien and disturbing, but like that other anon said this comes at the expense of a lot of the areas looking similar, so unless you have a really good spatial awareness and are good at mapping things out in your head, expect to get lost as the map isn't very helpful.

The music is alright and the spritework is okay (although a bit noisy). Overall I'd say it's worth a go, maybe wait for a sale if you're hesitant.

>>179738465
My only chance.

The Line is fucking infuriating on furier mode.

Is Joy a reference to We Happy Few?

>>179747225
Fuck off with your memes
Speaking of that game, is it at all decent yet? It looked shitty last time I checked.