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Mages are NOT OP edition

>Deck lists, news etc
hearthstonetopdecks.com
hearthpwn.com
hsreplay.com
http://thelightforge.com/TierList (Arena)

>Open Tournaments
https://strivewire.com/
http://play.eslgaming.com/hearthstone/
http://zotac-cup.com

>/hsg/ Tournament
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Tourney Discord: https://discord.gg/xHRA3Qz
Dates: April 28th-30th NA
May 5th - 7th EU
Prize Pool: 20$ Blizzbucks, a Gallon of Chocolate Milk

>Random poll
https://www.strawpoll.me/12921826

>Previous thread
>>176116232
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>>176209043

Christ Tempo storm is bad. No mage list in Tier 1 and fucking Quest rogue is supposedly Tier 1? Reynad should just fucking delete the meta snapshot, lol; VS is better in every conceivable regard.
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What's the difference between Midrange paladin and aggro paladin?
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>>176209043
To those who unpacked shit quests like the Paladin or Warlock one:
Don't dust them right away.

Quests are the best example of a card that gets better the more expansions come out.
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>>176209207

Gee, I wonder.
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So...secret mage is SECRET tier? Very good deck.
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>>176209178
I'm just happy they didn't put priests in t1. There's already too many of (((them)))
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>>176209342

What rank are you even playing at? There's not a single Tier 1 priest list.
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>>176209403
it's not about losing to priests, it's about wasting time against priests.
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>>176209207
Aggro Paladin (as in, Murloc Paladin) runs a fuckton of Murlocs, Divine Favor for card draw and Finja.
Midrange Paladin runs a lot less Murlocs and more control tools like Aldor Peacemaker, Primordial Drake and Light Rag.
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BASED PAVEL

SUPERIOUR WHITE GENETICS
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>>176209603
I know who is winning 1 pack for the Blizzcon preliminaries
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So i was bored one day and made a jade Druid deck that focuses around drawing as many cards as possible, to quickly empty the deck, then using jade idols to sumon big, strong, green bulls.
I'm mostly f2p, so i don't have Auctioneer, but i'm thinking of crafting him, just for this deck.
My first runs were pretty alright, although i never actually got to the end, i'd either loose beforehand or win due to the many minions i'm able to put out.
If you're wondering why i put Onyxia and some beasts in, it's for the Curator value.
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>>176209403
It seems half of my opponents are Priests at rank 9 but it may be the rigged matchmaking at work because I'm playing mage.
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>>176209603
>Dirty Rat
Pavel fuck up.
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[Muffled Ben Brode laughter]
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>>176210112
u wuz sayin?
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>wiped his hand after the shake

lel
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>>176210112
who needs to play well when you can just be lucky?
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>>176210250
R N G
N
G
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>>176209881

Hm, I've seen barely any at rank 4. Way over 30% paladin, and a lot of aggro druid.
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this ugly son of a bitch is winning coin flips and basically you're fucking retarded
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>make bad plays
>about to lose
>get lucky
>win anyway
Based Pavel
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>>176210597

he's cute, bet he'd look great in a maid outfit
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>>176210618
>>176210317
>>176210285
assblasted chinks BTFO!
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>>176210668
Nah I don't give a fuck about chinks I just think it is hilarious Pavel made bad plays the entire match and was still rewarded. Only in HS.
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>>176209043

Why do we even still need tempostorm? Its literally copy pasterinoed from the decks win percentage websites.

btw. It also fairly misleading. Paladins best deck is at 61% winrate with Murloc - Midrange featuring Tirion and Sunbro.
Mages best deck is at 58% with Secrect-Yogg
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>>176209043

>rank 15
>only tier 1/2 decks are here
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>in arena
>play spiritsinger umbra
>moat lurker on my strongest minion for crazy value
>he has mirror entity up so I get even more value
>his mirror entity is actually potion of polymorph
>mfw
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>Opponent plays his stegodon buff into spellbender
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>>176209043
>Quest rogue t1
Quest rogue is bad, it's barely t2, I would put it at the top of t3.
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>>176210887
>>176210943
Mage confirmed as the most skill reliant arena class
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>>176210851

So craft a T1/T2 deck; Midrange Hunter costs like 2200 dust lol
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>>176211090
>crafting commons and rares
Enjoy never having dust for epics and legos later on.
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>>176211236

I've got plenty of dust and decks. If you don't have a good deck, craft one. You might wait a loooong time to get necessary rares bruh.
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Guys, guys! Hold the fuck up!
You seen that Kibler wild Quest Priest?

What if we swap Majordomo Executus in with one of the cards in that deck?
Time it so that Majordomo is the last deathrattle in your quest (or past that, I guess), then hope your opponent can't burst 7 and then 8 more damage. Play the Quest legendary right after Executus dies and have 40hp Ragnaros with free hero power (you've probably played Raza by now).
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>>176211859
risky, way too risky.
I haven't seen Kibler's deck but in general wild quest priest is a really good deck. Do you really need majordomo?
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>>176212010
But think of the memes!
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>>176210597
>a good example of a GOOD player
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>Bouncing between 18 and 16
>All I want to do is hit 15
>Literally that is it, I know I'm not a good player but rank 15 seems like a decent reachable goal for now
>Nothing but Tier S 100% meta decks copied off whatever sites from 20-16
>Lose ever match that would lock me at 15

So.. do I need to copy a Tier 1 deck to win at this low of a rank? I was told that every month all the people higher on the ladder go down.. why the fuck is that? Why are some of my opponents playing with full decks and even the Legendary card sleeve?
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Finally unbanned after a month. Did someone Brodepost for me?
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>>176212885
Kek I wondered. Did you get banned for brode posting?
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>>176213067
nah i came back from my 2 week vacation and immitated the cunnyposter for 2 posts and i got banned for ban dodge
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>>176212867
You just need good cards with a straight win condition.
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>>176212867
I'm FTP and got to rank 14 with Midrange Hunter
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Because of the rank reset. That or you actually are a rank 16 player.
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hey dudes
so, warlock is basically the worst class right now, but around MSoG era there was this one deck called Midrange Demonlock
it got weaker without Rag and Imp Gang Boss but I came up with this list and I'm having quite a good time

if you're into warlock and demons please try this out
it's a good deck for doing warlock quests too
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>>176213372
>>176213170
I didn't really like Hunter's theme but I guess I'll make a deck for it.
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>>176210887
>moat lurker your almost dead big minion
or
>moat lurker their big guy and bounce it back

Best kind of feel
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Do you think Blizzard should have a community made expansion where we make and vote on which cards make up that expansion?
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>>176213772

God no, please no.
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>>176213772
no
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>>176213372
Because hunter has good cheap cards?
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>>176212867

It's still really early in the season man; a lot of people haven't climbed yet, which is why you're seeing Legend cardbacks at rank 18-16.
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>>176213772
>plebs in charge of balance

naw
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>>176213950

Midrange Hunter is a T2 deck, and can compete with most ladder decks, and it only costs just over 2000 dust, assuming you have none of the cards. It doesn't use a single legendary.
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>>176213479
Or you could play a stronger demonlock in wild...?
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>>176209178
How is quest rogue not tier 1?
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>4 Torrential Gearhulks away from my U control
>stack playing Hearthstone until then
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>>176213372
>rank 14
>not legend
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>>176214154

Sub 50% winrate at all levels of play.

The Tier 1 decks are like 52%+ and they are

>Paladin - bunch of different types
>Pirate Warrior
>Discover Mage - bunch of different lists

Quest rogue is high T3 or low T2
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>>176213962
When on average do people usually climb up during the month? I guess it's at least good experience to play against better opponents...
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>>176214278
Beginning of the month and the very end of the month. I'd say your best chances of hitting legend are some where in the middle.
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>>176214241
Wait, Quest Warrior isn't tier 1 anymore?
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>>176214156
>Tfw only one torrential gearhulk
>Tfw priced at £20
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>>176214187

Damn boy nice run; what specific midrange list are you using? I should give it a shot, I'm just at rank 4, only doing like 50% right now with mage.
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>>176214347
A pretty standard list with double crab tech.
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>>176214523

screencap it you gay bitch

>do things for me
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>>176214241
>Sub 50% winrate at all levels of play.
wrong.
50.39% winrate at legend
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>>176212010
I own Umbra/N'Zoth, but not the quest. Is the deck any good without it, or is the quest an absolute necessity?
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>Warrior tries to race me.

https://hsreplay.net/replay/HZzsu7xVgL6ArV6HFnt8cD

Good game warrior-bro
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>>176214579

Well alright, but that's still not T1, and it's sub 50% from 20 to 1
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>>176213772
Balance couldn't get any worse
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>>176214563
Hungry crab was pretty amazing, as over a fourth of my matches were against murloc paladin variants.
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>>176214151
there is not much reason to play any warlock deck that isn't Renolock in wild anon, it's the strongest and honestly the most fun

I'm trying to find a "good" warlock deck in standard, something that can at least compete with tier 2 or tier 1.5 decks
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>>176209043

>jade druid in tier 2 on temposhit

That website is so fucking awful. I have no idea why people listen to it.
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>>176214818
that feel when
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>>176214891
Discardlock without quest?
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>>176214913

It is Tier 2.
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>>176214913
Doesnt it lose to every single kind of agro?
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>>176214991
>>176215023

also no handbuff deck to be seen on the tierlists, despite easy legend being capable

lol
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>>176214156
>not playing modern
>not playing ad nauseam combo instead
Wonder how /hsg/ would react to a real combo deck?
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>>176215023
you have a chance if you have a decent anti aggro opening hand and survive until like turn 6
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>>176214919
It's tier 4 on vS and bottom tier 3 on tempostorm
it's completely outclassed by token druid atm
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>>176215145
>Handbuff deck
Lmao
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>>176215432

t. rank 20 pretending to know things
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>>176215145
Pic related.
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>>176215602
Post rank
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>Amnesiac rages that Pavel is a noskill lucker
>Pavel still winning almost everything

I hope he can do back-to-back Blizzcon wins. Would certainly shut up all the trash who think HS is a coinflip fiesta.
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>>176215709
>all the trash who think HS is a coinflip fiesta
but anon HS is a coinflip fiesta.
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whats a good goal rank to shoot for when your new and it's your first season?
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>>176215709
But.. it is a coinflip fiesta. The devs even stated they wanted a high amount of RNG "variance" cards so people who weren't as skilled could still beat better players.
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>>176216127
new f2p player? 15
new paying player? 10 or more
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>>176216219
cool thanks, just got to 14 so i'll try for a steady 8-9 by the end of this season.
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>>176214082
Savannah highmane might as well be honestly.
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>>176214919
I unpacked Lakkari Sacrifice a few days ago. Should I hold onto it in hopes that they buff it?
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>>176216725

LE HUNTER LEGENDARY XD
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>>176216767
Why the meme's friend. It is that good, and compared to the other hunter leggoes its miles ahead.
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>it's a "Mage pulls five Ice Blocks and stalls the game" episode
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>>176216949
Lol outskilled
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>>176216949
play around it bro
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>>176216949

am I supposed to feel sympathy for someone who doesn't run two secret eaters?
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>>176217258
>>176217309
>le iceblock is OP meme
If you give your opponent enough time to discover hundreds of spells your most likely just bad desufams
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>>176216949
>anti mage tech cards exist
>don't play them
>complain about mage

kys shitter. You people are scum. Too stupid or scared to use your brain and the tools blizzard has provided you.
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>>176216737
they will blatantly buff the garbage tier quests next expansion

>super op buff card for pally
>op discard synergy card for warlock, maybe a better sac pac to take advantage of infinite imps
>some crap for druids
>a few playable 1 drops for hunter
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>>176217258
>>176217309
>>176217418
>>176217501

its almost like i was playing casual and wasn't expecting to have to deal with this shit
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>>176217630
>blizzard buff cards

Ignored rest of post.
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>>176217630
Pally already got their buff card
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>>176214891
There's way less tryhard shit in Wild, though. You won't even get to rank 15 with a tier 2 deck in Standard.
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>>176217630
Or do the more realistic response would be they don't do that, they ignore them THEN release support for them in last possible few months so people who dusted the quest are fucked and those that held onto it are validated right before rotation.
>>176217721
>Ruins arena
>is just pretty good in standard
I wanted buff pally to be a thing again, but man they really can't figure that shit out without runing something.
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we are all aware that caverns below will be moved to wild next season right?
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>>176217990
They'll nerf everything but it, no way in shit are they giving people 1600 free dust unless it ruined the rankings. They'll do like they did for pirates and nerf swashburglar or some dumb shit. Or a more nefarious nerf, that of tokens not counting for the quest so nothing really changes but it is nerfed indirectly.
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>>176218142
They might nerf Shadowstep, or the Pandas and the Ferryman. Shit like "Return a friendly minion to your hand. You can't play it this turn."
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>>176217990
>>176218142
>>176218516

Are people still so bad that they think Caverns is genuinely overpowered?
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>>176219107
Some are, most smart people see it for its horrible design and how its going to cause a shitshow every-time they add anything low cost or good to the rogue class overall.
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>>176217990
>>176218142
>>176218516
shieldbearer.jpg
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>>176219238
>tfw you're literally a rank-5-every-month-player and you get called out to be a Shieldbearer
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>>176219291
>rank-5-every-month-player
in NA I bet
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Why does handlock suck now
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>reach 5
>suddenly every deck is egg druid

What the fuck.
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>This kills the Priest
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>that guy who comes to /hsg/ and starts calling everyone else a shieldbearer
Why does he come here? Even if you believe that Hearthstone is a """competitive""""" game, /hsg/ is not a competitive community so literally no one gives a shit about it.
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>>176219371
EU, but why does it matter? In any case, playing against Quest Rogue is always a pain, it never feels good when they cheat out their quest and complete it, prep it and play it on t3.
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>get 3 quests around playing Druid
>fuck it fine I'll make a druid deck
>throw together a miracle-jade style deck because wtf am I doing
>playing and drawing 7 cards a turn
>8/8, 9/9,10/10, they just keep growing and spawning
God damn I think I like Jade now that I've played it instead of just playing against it
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>>176219580
>inner fire
>shadow word: death
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>>176219656
>Turn 1
>Rogue's starting hand is Quest, both Swashburglars, and both Shadowsteps (going second)
>Swashburglar gives Innervate
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>>176219852
*Plays Ysera now that you wasted removal*
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>>176217720
>>176217630
>>176216737
The last buff was Unleash the Hounds going from 4 to 2 mana (January 2014). Unless you count things like Bane of Doom changed to summon all demons.
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>>176219291

Then why the fuck are you complaining about Caverns Rogue? I've been 5-Legend since it's come out and aside from a lot of play as soon as Ungoro launched it hasn't been an impactful deck.

If you're complaining about Caverns Rogue STILL, you probably suck. If you don't suck, as your post indicates, you should stop bitching about a meh deck that doesn't even see much play at the 5-Legend bracket.

>>176219478

This is actually true, or Paladin.

>>176219656
>>176219918

>judging a deck based on its best possible draw/craziest highroll

And sometimes they complete it on turn 6 and die on 7 to any moderately aggressive/tempo oriented deck.
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>>176220193
But this card is absolute garbage. The quests are terribly balanced on their fulfillment conditions alone. 6 cards is outrageous to discard.
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Quit towards the end of last year, this is what I used to ladder with back in the day and now I want to use it for Wild. Any updates or we still good? I guess spirit claws got nerfed but probably doesn't matter much.
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>>176221056
looks fun
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>>176221153

Yeah but is it still optimized or should I replace some shit with new shit? tbqh I generally don't play shaman but I have fuck-all for shaman shit in standard so I use this to knock out quests or get easy rank 5 in the past. Not sure how well it'll match up against the current meta.
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>>176221056

Play some wild games and see; it looks reasonably strong, even today.
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>>176221491

Fair enough, thanks famm. Gotta play 50 shaman cards so 26/30 cards being class cards seems pretty legit.
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Can I do anything with him, or is he just dust?
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>>176217630
That's what I said about Mage/Warlock and Reno decks.
>Of course they're going to release a Reno replacement next expansion, why else would they release 4 legendaries that only work if you're running a Reno deck one expansion before he rotates?
>They're just waiting for him to rotate out so you can't have both in the same standard deck.
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>>176217630

Hunter quest is unfixable. They could get 20 decent one drops and it wouldn't matter. Skipping turn 1 and playing one drops for 5 turns, just to drop an 8/8 on turn 6 is dogshit and will always be unplayable.
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>>176221790
super dust
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>steal opponents un'goro pack and two nzoths with operative
>pack gives me 3 deathrattle minions
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>>176221790
dust
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>>176221790
Challenge your mobile friends and destroy them. This card is a mobile casual /hsg/ killer.
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>>176222782
tales from rank 20
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Anyone having success with secret mage?
What's the best list?
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>>176223769
the omegazero list dog was playing. i got to legend with it today. 78% w/r from 5->legend. This is best deck in game. It's complete sleeper and throws off so many people. I think this is one of those hidden decks that's insane like mech warrior was.
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>>176223953
>Mech Warrior
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>>176224254
it was unknown stupid. blizzard stats shows it was strongest deck in game that never got picked up.
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>>176223953
>I think this is one of those hidden decks that's insane like mech warrior was.
what was the mech warrior deck?

during gvg i played mech decks for every class
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>>176223953
This one?
http://www.gosugamers.net/hearthstone/decks/63629-omegazero-s-secrets-mage-cn-vs-eu-2017
Burn mage seems to have lost its power so I might as well try this.
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>>176209213
What card can you imagine to make the paladin quest good? I'm genuinely curious, would it be handful of OP buffs or something?

It was supposed to be the epic murloc that returns your buffs but the deck is still bad
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>>176224316
Fuck off Iksar.
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>Don't want to play
>Addicted
Is there no escape?
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>>176225082
dead game
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>>176226235
Dead game with highest number of users ever last month. Just goes to show you that people at /hsg/ are clueless. Google trends don't show shit. of course less people will be searching hearthstone on google cause they already know about it at this point. statistics can always be distorted to show anything.
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>>176226463
>people at /hsg/ are clueless
more like people in here arent new players and are fed-up with this shit game
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>win 15/18 matches, climb to 8
>lose 3 in a row, drop back to 9

I guess I caught up to the super serious climbers.
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>>176226463
>Users
Its accounts made you fucking dingus.
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r8 my Wallet Paladin.
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>>176209213
I got the Warlock quest. I'm treating it like a very expensive Gagetzan Ferryman, although I'm blinded by my love of the Warlock flavor and my bitterness at never being able to afford a Renolock deck.
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i dont see how the fuck is jade druid good

it can't even fucking beat priest, the slowest deck in the game because he just gets memed by a 28/28

literally drop something with high hp and win
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>>176226915
3 mana ooze is better majority of time.
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>>176226953
I just lost against a jade druid with two naturalizes and an eater of secrets..
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>>176226963
I agree but I don't have it and 400 dust is steep for a 1-of tech card
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>>176226915
But how do you kill people?
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>>176226919
>Warlock is shackled to a shittily thought out discard mechanic
>Meanwhile priest gets deathrattle for some strange reason, card stealing and healing
Warlocks really should have gotten deathrattle as their core mechanic instead of meme-discard bullshit.
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is aggro druid the new pirate warrior
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>>176227265
No need.

Just have to survive the fast decks, and out-value the slow decks with late game + Deathwing in fatigue.
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>>176226816
showed on the google search chart, what?
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>Kindly Grandmother is a beast
>Houndmaster is not a beast
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>>176228504

It is strange.
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why
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>>176226915
wr? ranks gone up playing this? brief guide?
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>>176226915
But.. this is basically just the same Control Paladin lists all over Hearthpwn.. the only thing you did was toss in Deathwing. What is there to rate?
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i swear 90% of shaman players are clinically retarded and basically just bank on surprise lethals with bloodlust
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I play against literally NOTHING but fucking MAGES

Can T5 please nerf Primordial Glyph already so Mage just stops existing? It's not even a good class but Mage being played is the #1 reason people stop playing this fucking game. Even shitting on mages is exhausting. If the game is a zero-sum game when it comes to fun, Mage somehow manages to actually substract of the overall fun and make the game miserable for both parties.
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guys, I reached rank 19, am I good yet?
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>>176226915
>no dirty rat
I don't like it

dirty rats into equality clears are sex
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I'm convinced matchmaking is rigged or at least based on certain cards. EVERY TIME I queue my aggro decks I come across some form of priest. Swap decks, face other shit. Swap back to aggro? Immediately face the same priest decks.
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>top decks you
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>>176229667
>normal summon
>in a game with an actual, albeit simplified, resource system
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>>176229667
this shit got pulled on me today which led to me losing, I felt quite sad
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>>176229667
*topdecks you*

heh, your move kid
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>>176228980
There was a Control Paladin guide on Reddit.

>>176229048
and an Ooze and an Ivory Knight :^)

>>176229328
I want to put Rats in there. Probably drop the Deathwing and the Ooze.
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>play midrange paladin
>don't draw the murlock package
>lose
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Hallucination is a good card
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>you're playing some hearthstone at a fireside gathering when this guy comes up and slaps your gf on the ass

wat do /hsg/ ?
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>>176230695
does he want to /ss/ with zeriyah?
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WHERE ARE MY FUCKING COLLEGIATE CHAMPIONSHIP PACKS YOU DAMN BRODE

>eu here
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>>176230909
they were delivered some days ago.
You either didn't vote or you've already opened them
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>>176231124
bullshit what exp they were?
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Do I play Tarim just for tempo here?
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>>176231210
MSoG
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>>176209043
was anyone in reynad's stream when he first built "his" version of gunther mage and tried acting like he invented the deck or some shit?

he went on to say shit akin to "yeah I definitely think some version of this could definitely be one of the strongest decks this meta".

he then went on to permaban anyone in his chat who said that gunther made the deck and it already existed and that reynad was just copying it.

he even went so far as to blame other people playing the same mage list as "stream sniping him and ripping off his ideas" despite the fact that gunther mage had already become quite popular on ladder for at least a few days
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>>176230909
I got my 3 rutgers packs on all regions already: EU, NA, Asia. You probably fucked up and forgot to vote or something. Your loss.
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>>176231504
No. Peacekeeper the priest and use your hero power. Kill the priest with your weapon and minion, then drop Tarim next turn buffing 2 of your guys.
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>>176231628
Reynad invented Hearthstone so yeah he did invent Gunther Mage in one way or another.

deal with it.
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>>176231628
why does /hsg/ like reynad?

is it just ironic or something
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>>176231735
is there anything new to vote on yet?
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>>176231875
because he is what every /hsg/ would want to be
>Rich
>Good at hearthstone
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>>176231628
Honestly, reynads deck is quite different from gunter's. Gunther does not use sorcerers apprentice or black knight. 3 cards is big difference between decks when so many cards are auto include broken cards. Reynad's version also has higher w/r than gunthers and is obviously the better deck.

I hate when people say Reynad is bad deck builder when his decks are consistently top the meta or define new archetypes. He may not be the best player, but reynad is the best theorycrafter in HS today.
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>>176231956
hello andrey
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>>176217751
i'm rank 13 with quest warrior, which is t2 atm
>>176214187
are you using the crab deck?
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>>176231956
>reynad is the best theorycrafter in HS today
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>>176219580
I see gold in your future
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>kripp's real name is octavian morosan

jesus christ who would do this to their child
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>>176232356
someone whose first language is not english? the entire world is not america anon.
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>>176232356
>amerifats shitting up the general
>>
>get the watch a friend quest
>all of my friends went offline 2-6 hours ago
>someone comes online
>go watch him
>it's rank 20 wild
>misplays every fucking turn
>loses
>you have been removed from spectating
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>>176232356
Shouldn't you Amerifats be working right now?
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>>176232656
post tag and server
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>>176232506
>>176232584
>>176232668
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>>176232656
>he doesn't have a smurf acct to spectate for watch and learn quests.

people actually use real friends for this quest? wow, how inefficient and stupid can you be? these take me less than 1 min each vs innkeeper on smurf acct using android emulator.
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>>176232356
t. Brotherman Bill
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>>176232356
Romanian here, Octavian is a common name, what's the problem?
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>be eutrash
>get ran over by a truck
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>>176229285
lol
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>the USfags are fully awake and ready to shitpost
I hate this time of the day
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>>176233853
>i hate when these threads have more than 50 posts in the span of 6 hours
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>>176233745
>be american
>get randomly shot by a nigger
>die
or
>be amircan
>get dragged out of airplane
>you have been re-accomodated
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>>176233745
>be American
>get shot

>>176233853
It's between 1-4 pm in Burgerland.

The only ones just getting up are the night shift and worthless neets.
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>>176232718
Mine or his?
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>>176231956
The only person better is Kripparian in my educated opinion.
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>thread turned to shit once all the underage eurokids finish eating dinner
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>>176234435
Who the fuck eats dinner at this hour?
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>>176234606
In Europe we dine at 9pm or so, like normal people do
Unlike burgerland
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>>176234606
I finished eating 30 mins ago.
It's not my fault you eat at 6PM, Hans.
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That's Incredible!
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>>176234753
>dinner at 9 pm
>normal
where the fuck is this normal
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>>176234764
Actually, if not for the fact that I came from work late as fuck I'd eat at 7.
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send help
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>>176234886
In europe
>>176235080
What dick?
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Rate my dick. I know Lightspawns are questionable but they add consistency thanks to not needing inner fire and help to curve out better. Any suggestions?
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It's got me to 5 last month, now I can't get past 8.
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>>176235567
where's ratpack
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>>176235567
I prefer Rocs over fledglings, fledgings are a huge win-more card.
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Is he actually good now that rouges have a decent weapon with 3 attack?
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>>176235863
fledgings are a win condition. if you drop on 3 and its not answered you will win. nothing wrong with using these types of cards to get free wins.
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>>176236456
Yeah no shit if it goes unanswered, but in a lot of cases if you get the low-roll and get shit adapts, or they do have a taunt or burn or literally anything you just played a vanilla 3/3. Whereas Roc is a 4/7 that can easily gain taunt which allows you to maintain board position.
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>innervate fledgling
>can't clear it, you lose
>living mana
>can't clear it, you lose
>clear it and they can flood the board again
How come no one complains about these?
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>>176236795
Because Druid is on the rise whereas the other memes are more obnoxious overall due to representation.
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>>176236795
because it's generally really easy to deal with a 3 health minion and a bunch of 2/2's past turn 5
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>>176236795
*Plays Mass Dispel into Dragonfire Potion*
Greetings
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>>176236795
>living mana
devolve + tempest/maelstrom
>1 pending friend request
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>watching a streamer ladder to rank 5 after the reset
>they never queue into an unfavorable match up
>their draws are always perfect
>their opponents are always trash
>they streak all the way to 5 in an hour or so

why won't Blizzard just admit that they give streamers better RNG when they go live on twitch?

whenever I play at the beginning of the moth, I queue into NOTHING but counter decks and Legend players farming easy wins.

It's ridiculous and I'm absolutely sick of it.
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>>176230579
but violet teacher isnt
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>play 3 hours
>end up where I started
Just kys me lads
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>>176236727

Roc is an underrated card in general I feel. I use it in inner fire priest to great effect, not only will it often proc the taunt which is great against aggro but just having a 4/7 body for 5 in general is insane for a divine spirit deck.
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>watch magic
>want to make like 10 decks because of how cool and interesting they are
>watch hearthstone
>makes me want to uninstall it

Really activated my thinking circuits
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>>176237872

f2p hearthstone-tier-polish MTG when?
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>>176237291
confirmation bias
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>>176237291

Maybe you should try streaming.
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>>176238012
I would quit every other card game forever and never look back.
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>>176238012
you mean duels?
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>>176238157
Duels is fucking garbage, bugs out the ass, limited card-pool, limits on your decks overall, and lack of any decent formats hold it back.
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>>176238275
>limited card-pool
anon what, I just played it today and theres a lot more cards in it than HS right now with all the expansion that are released
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>>176234753
Only normal in Spain.
Most of Northern Europe dines by 6/7PM and Central/West Europe by 7/8PM.
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>>176238439
I dine at 9PM too and I'm not from Spain (or Portugal)
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I fucking HATE Priest players.

That class NEEDS to go back to the dumpster where it belongs.
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>>176235567

It's early in the season senpai

I'm only at rank 3
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>>176238439
>>176238545
Swiss here, ate dinner at 9 pm
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>>176237291

>believes other people have different luck than you do

Just another shieldbearer logical fallacy to unpack. I'm at 3 right now, climbing steadily. Good decision making over a long period of time is 100% of the reason.
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What's a fun deck to play right now, wild or standard? I have a good amount of card, and I only have rouge and mage quest.
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>>176239010
I completely agree.
I would rather face a pirate. at least you win or lose in 5 turns instead of 20.
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>>176239507
wild zeus shaman is fun. It's somewhere between t2 and t3 so it's not completely shit.
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Is Lightlord truly a must-include for Mid-Range?
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>get to 60
>over 100 wins until golden

Is this normal?
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>>176238545
>>176239264
It's because you're neets my dudes.
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>>176240952
I was 60 with Priest first and I still need 250 wins.
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>>176241272
>work late shift
>eat dinner at 2am whilst playing hearthstone

truly the patrician way of operating
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>>176209043
Why is this meta so fucking cancer right now. I've been sitting at rank 11 for days. I either get a meme match up and get shit on by some guy at rank 10 who is just playing whatever for fun or I play against some shitter at rank 12 with a garbage meme deck. The only matches I win are against other meta decks at rank 11.
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>>176241272
don't you ever study/work late?
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>>176242124
Yeah but I was talking about which hour you "habitually" eat. I know it happens.
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>Decide to play some Elemental Shaman to fuck Aggro shitters
>First match is a fucking Mirror when I haven't seen an Elemental Shaman in weeks
>Best I get out of my first (and only to show up) Servant is WINDS, which he just deletes
>He gets 2 Kalimos plus his original and obliterates my board every single time I get any leverage
I hate this game.
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>we're removing Ragnaros because we're bored of his coinflip
>JK LOL WE'RE REPRINTING HIM AND MAKING HIM IMPOSSIBLE TO REMOVE
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>>176224454
it played pretty much the same as pirate warrior as an aggro deck with weapons, most of the cards were the same too. Instead of pirates you just ran the most aggressive mech cards. Some lists even ran fel reaver
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if i grind nearly everyday 100g a day am I a faggot?
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>>176242097

Play better
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/hsg/, Which of my current decks would you recommend I ladder with? All of them have been doing pretty well so far. I'm just too lazy to pick. (Except druid. I can't make that deck work above a 50% winrate and I'd appreciate some advice.)

>>176240657
Nope. You can mix up midrange a bunch and still have a good deck. Whats your current list without Rag?
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>get decent arena deck
>end 3/3
Game 1 was mana wyrm coin mana wyrm for fucks sake.
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>>176242870
The one from the meta snapshot before this one which didn't include Rag, i'll just throw in another value card then I guess, thanks.
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>>176242870
Fuck me. Why do I always do this?
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>>176243046
Murlocadin version 2.
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>>176242743
>just draw better bro
>just have better RNG bro
>just don't get counter queued bro
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paladin is by far the best arena class atm, mainly because of the +2/+6 buff with taunt
prove me wrong
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>dirty rat into tirion
>on 2
Hmm, well played
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>>176243690
sometimes shit goes wrong no matter what
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>>176242987
I'm guessing you wanted to make the current snapshot version then?
A second kodo or steed would probably work out. I've personally had some success with Ivory Knight as well but it might not do enough for some matchups

Honestly though, the more aggressive "midrange" version of murloc paladin is still fantastic.
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>>176243652
heartharena shows rogue is better.

stats > "feels"

back to tempostorm fella.
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>>176243781
I had a tidecaller on board, he could've also pulled a warleader. Why do people play rat on curve?
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>>176243652

>Zero unconditional big removal
>Cucked with no board

It's pretty good but it's no rogue or mage. 3rd position I think.
>>
>>176243943

Because they're braindead
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>Best mode would be sealed.
>Best of arena with ability to draft synergy.
>Blizzard won't do it because their average user is a retard.

Thanks.
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why are there so many Priest players around rank 20?
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>>176243943
i think it's a coinflip
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>>176244328
isn't there a new priest meme deck around that everyone is using now?
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I have too much random shit in my deck, what do you guys think I should eliminate?

>Pirate-eating crab
>Murloc-eating crab (I think these should stay)
>Deadly Shot to deal with big-ass Edwins and priest plants
>Leeroy for Burst
>Eater of Secrets vs. Mages (& Paladin)

Shit I don't run, but would be nice:
>Dire Wolf Alpha
>Nesting Roc
>Jew Macaw.
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>>176243652
If you're a good gamer you can perform well with all the classes. So in my opinion they are all equal.
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>>176244875
keep crab bros
one deadly shot to save your ass
remove the rest and add what's missing
that's what i would do
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>>176244875
Forgot to mention I run two of each crab.

I'm thinking of replacing Eater of Secrets with Flare to deal with Finja. Rank 8-6, so plenty of Paladins.
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>>176242608

That's literally one game dude. You'll have a better time once you understand that even the best of the best autists players of this game can only manage a 70% win rate consistently. That means out of 100 games you're losing 30 and yet you're still doing incredibly well compared to most people.

You can hate the game when you play 20 elemental shamans in a row, THAT would be some extreme variance to get mad over. Even then though it's still just variance, and considering the hard statistics we have on the meta I can guarantee you that won't happen.

Still, I find the "don't go up against decks you have tech cards for" thing pretty interesting. Seems so consistent it almost doesn't seem like coincidence, but hey I'll keep the double golakkas in most of my decks regardless. Thank god they made it a 2/3 for 2 (compared to the shitty 1/2 for 1).
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>>176242608
>>176245284
>play some goofy off-meta meme deck
>queue into a fucking mirror match
matchmaking is rigged and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

Blizzard has never, ever offered any proof that they don't fix their matchmaking system. Their is a hidden system at work that tries to keep yo as close to 50% as possible, even if you "tech" against the meta they will just prevent you from queuing into those match ups until you remove the tech card (then you will get them every other game).
>>
>Switch deck
>Get matched up against your hardest counter exclusively despite almost never seeing it on ladder before 5 times in a row
>Switch again
>Same thing happens with another deck

Fuck this game
>>
Is adapt the most broken game mechANIC?
>>
>start arena run 0-2
>rattle off 5 wins in a row
>play against paladin wit 3 spikeriged steed and a tirion
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>>176245687
>>176245742
Programming a MM that is rigged to the extend you're saying it is is a freaking programming nightmare and I highly doubt Blizzshit would invest time/money into that.

Seriously, the system would need to be at least semi-intelligent to recognize deck types and weaknesses of theirs before the deck types become even popular.

I think this board is more for you guys.
>>>/x/
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>pity-timer resets
>no point in opening the next ~30 packs now
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>>176246482
my last ones were hunter quest, voraxx and velen. fuck you too blizzard
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>open golden Finja
>have to keep him for my aggro druid
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>>176245687
Take an intro psychology class, it's called negativity bias
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>>176246482
we almost there baby
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>>176243425

If you're stuck at rank 11 for days it's because you're not playing well enough to rank up. Your draws, rng, and que matchups are no better or worse than anyone elses.
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>>176245687

Then why are top players able to maintain high 60/low 70% winrates, season after season, all the way to Legend?
>>
FINALLY REACHED RANK 5, BOYS!

>be me 60 min ago
>rank 9
>open classic pack because why not
>Hungry Crab (I only had one before)
>Fucking annihilate on my way up with Hunter

I can relax with some memes now.
>>
>>176246319
I'm not saying its intentionally set up like that. Its just incredibly frustrating
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>>176248898

>they've programmed a rigged matchmaking system to make sure people lose enough games (despite their obvious skill and talent) to stay at 50%
>but it's not intentionally set up like that

You have mental problems, no wonder you can't handle a card game.
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>>176249079
I'm >>176245742 you chimp.
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>>176249264

Sorry fag, lol.
>>
>TFW WANT TO BUY CARD PACKS BUT KNOW ITS A WASTE OF MONEY
>>
Shadowstep is fucking cancer, make it atleast 1 mana for fucks sake already. No one should get their quest on like turn 3, it's fucked up
>>
>>176217501
>~3 cards exist
>JUST PLAY AROUND
kys
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>>176248734
>the difference between your average retard taking a shit and a "top player" who literally plays for a living is around a 5-10% winrate difference

Why are some people so impressed with this? Just enjoy the casino, kid, stop taking a children's card game so seriously.
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there are some very angry and insecure people in this thread.

they are always the first to start shouting "shieldbearer!!!!!' and other miscellaneous insults for no reason.
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>>176249628
I'd be okay with this nerf. Has Shadowstep ever even been in a deck before quest? It wouldn't be missed.
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>>176249710

A 70% winrate at rank 1 and a 50% winrate at rank 14 are veeeeeeeeery different things. Top players climb effortlessly from 16-5 with 80+% winrates. The nature of cardgames means you can't win every time, but there's a lot of skill involved in HS.
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>>176250393
It was in every of my Rogue Old Gods decks.
People who think that Shadowstep was bad or useless before Quest didn't face +3 N'Zoths one after another.
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This is the most depressing shit.
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>>176251312
Have you considered adding dragons to your deck?

I think it has great synergy with those cards.
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>>176251456
Epic joke
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got this from those 3 free packs for logging in, dust yeah?
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sometimes people are alright.
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>>176251693
I got the same (golden too). Absolutely do not dust it, Razorpetal miracle rogue is fun as fuck.

Unfortunately, rogue decks require a lot of dust to work. I'd say keep it if you have Edwin or Vineslayers, Shaku and Xaril are not that important.

If you don't play rogue, dust it for a legendary of choice.
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>>176251693
Dust it. Sherazin is a fad similar to Huhuran and has been exposed as garbage. Nobody plays Miracle rogue anymore since it's at best a tier 4 deck.
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>>176251473
he's not wrong, retard
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>>176252857
F*cking epic
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>>176232506
>>176232584
>>176232668
>>176232869
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>>176251804
Sounds like a sociopath mimicking a human
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>priest concedes out of shame after failing glimmeroot 1/3 guess

My sides
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>>176253219
>tfw playing shit deck so they always guess wrong
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Quest rogue is the Jade Druid of this expansion

Completely unfun to play against, makes the same plays every single game, completely uninteractive

Biggest difference is Quest rogue is tier 1 instead of tier 3
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>2 mana wyrms
>primordial glyph->primordial glyph->primordial glyph->primordial glyph->primordial glyph->free frostbolt
Wategame
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>>176237291
Wonder how many shield bearers there are on this thread. Better yet, wonder how many havent reached higher than rank 10.

That said, would this make control hunter more viable?
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>>176253645
Make it Quest Warrior and I will agree. On top of that, it's Jade Druid with a Rag that you can't remove.
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>>176250393
Water rogue. With five chargers (technically six) and two SIs it was rarely a dead draw, and often a game winner.
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>>176254191

>Ateish in hunter

YES
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>>176254301
i think a card like that would only give you collectible weapon cards

atiesh is generated and non-collectible
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>You can't silence the 5/5 off of quest rogue shit

Alright, this is a fucking dumb interaction.
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>>176254442

BOOOOOO

I want my free icehowl from cotw
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>>176254191
Hunter has no relevant board clears and very limited single target removal. No stall mechanics to speak of except Houndmaster or rolling the bear. No card draw except conditional shenanigans with neutral cards like Cult Master.

It will never be a viable control class and God fucking help us if they start adding actual viable control cards like reliable removal or undercosted draw for hunter because any of them would be used for more effective face clicking.
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>>176254704

>not playing wild control hunter with bear trap and belchers
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>>176254683
run medivh in hunter deck?

i've probably seen malygos hunter at least, oh, once
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>>176239507
>>176239702
Listen to this guy, Maly Shaman is the best. Other good, fun meme decks include Voltron Mage (Wild), Combo Priest (Wild), Silence Priest (Standard), and all the other Maly decks in wild (Rogue, Warlock, Druid w/Aviana Kun).

Some fun regular Standard decks in my opinion are Secret Mage(cheap),Token Aggro Shaman (cheap),IAmTheKing's Tempo Warrior, and Pirate Rogue(Shaku helpful)

Shaman has always been a based class even when it was overtuned, I'll take Thrallstone over Garroshstone any day of the week (sans Patron meta)
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>>176254453
The only thing that changes quest rogue cards are cards that directly influence stats like Aldor or Equality.
Think of silence as "removing the text from the card", the text saying its a 5/5 isn't on the card itself, its on the quest. So the only way to override a general effect is with a specific effect overriding it
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>play Freeze Mage
>3 Control Paladins and a Priest
>switch to Rogue
>suddenly Pirate Warrior and Freeze Mage

don't fucking sit there and tell me that matchmaking isn't rigged you cuckolds.
this happens WAY too frequently for it to be coincidence.

fuck off.
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>>176250415
theres litterally streams proving even pros get stuck for hours of play at the same ranks
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epic
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>>176254704
What about a card like this? Its a pretty expensive card for aggro, but a reasonably strong one for control.
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>Try so hard to make last kaleidosaur work
>just get fucking barrelled over by quest rogue shitters

I'm trying lads but it's not fun :(
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>>176255062

Should have adapted poison :^)
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So the general consensus at the moment is that the meta is pretty damn healthy, but remember, last year we thought the Whispers meta was great and then Dragon Warrior and Yogg Druid took over the meta and we started hating it. Is there any chance of a deck like one of those showing up and taking over at this point?
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>>176255260
>So the general consensus at the moment is that the meta is pretty damn healthy
Lol no it's not

it fucking sucks
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>>176255219
My options were Cant be targeted, stealth, and windfury. Not much I could do
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>>176255073
It doesn't solve any of the problems stopping hunter from playing control: lack of board clears, lack of card draw, lack of stall. And let me repeat myself, thank fucking God.

Nobody would use the weapons for anything else than going face except to protect your board of shitters which is what hunter has been doing for years. Even Gorehowl would be just more expensive Leeroy.
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>>176255062
you deserve it
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>>176255502
Probably
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>>176255073
>>176254704
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>>176255062
Hahahahah get fucked murloc tribal shitter
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>>176255624
>a sprint and a 3/4 body in one
>on a hunter
autism
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>>176255323
It's pretty fun.
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>>176255820
Maybe at rank 15
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>>176255624
Good "midrange" card as a one of, allowing you to refill when fishing for lethal.

Because it's not like you would be tanking up, playing removal, and stalling for the previous 6 turns.
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>>176255849
You should know so I will take your word for it.
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>never play pirate warrior before, don't have shit like patches, only 1 captain, etc
>make a shitty warrior deck with way too many weapons shoved in for "Play 10 weapons quest"
>fill out the rest with pirates because they all happen to work with weapons
>regularly getting fan mail now at rank 14 wild, winning on turn 4 and shit without enough time to play more weapons because the deck is so fast
>still have to play 3 more weapons

I JUST WANTED TO FINISH A QUEST IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THIS WAY I DON'T EVEN HAVE PATCHES :_^(
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>>176255939
epic :D
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>>176255689
you sound upset
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>>176255974
legendary xD
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>>176256029
>laughing at you and your misery
>hahaha u mad

???????
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>>176256092
Where did the murlocs touch you anon?
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It doesn't work :(
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>>176256242
Yeah, well, it's not as bad as I thought it was. I've actually won a few games.

I thought it was the unquestionably worst quest in the game, now I think it's overall as bad as the portal and giants.
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>>176256430
What you running it with? Murlocs or more midrange?
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>opponent plays a shitty card in their deck
>get punished because I didn't play around their shitty card
name that card.

>Explosive Shot
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>>176256608
Go away, Reynad.
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>>176256476
Murlocs, and I'm not really running it since the deck is shit and I see no hope for it.

But it wins sometimes if you get a good start with murlocs and they don't have cheap removal. Then you only need to get optimal adaptations on Galvadon and make it so he can hit face the next turn, ez pz
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>>176256742
anon the murlocs win you the game and galvadon is irrelevant lets be real here
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>>176255969
>How aren't you rank 5 or legend only 8 days into the season in a meta where literally everyone past rank 15 is playing decks with 50% win rates making it almost impossible to get a quick win streak to high ranks.

Bad people are really blinded by salt to how disgustingly well balanced the game is right now and how shit that makes laddering.
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Been playing for two weeks. R8 me daddy.
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>>176256790
But you need to run the optimal murloc crew and it's not doable when you need to run so much shit for the quest to work.
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>>176256898
cute
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> EU iOS have to pay now 3.50€ for 2 packs
> Blizzard didn't say anything about
> The old prices were the actual prices for PC after EU getting cucked

Are we going to see our packs prices raising again?
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>>176256846

That isn't the reason I'm not rank 5, I generally maintain fairly high winrates with a variety of decks. I've just had to deal with final exams up to today.

Also I generally get to rank 5 in Standard and fuck around in Wild rarely but I'm starting to feel like I should play Wild more because I like how many things you can make work compared to Standard and I've been playing since Naxx so hey, might as well right?

Pirate Warrior with Ship's Cannon is pretty fucking insane though, even an incomplete janky list like mine. I can see why people get so salty about it, probably the easiest way to get to rank 5 quickly is using it in Wild I'd imagine, the only game I've lost in the last like 6 games I've played was against a priest that literally got turn 4 kazakus into turn 5 board clear from the 5 mana potion into turn 6 reno when he was at 3 life otherwise which no aggro deck can beat ever anyways. Feels like this deck beats everything that doesn't get turn 6 reno pretty much, it's a bit scary. Not even sure how big of a deal golakka would be in Wild, I feel like the weapons are the real power of the deck since you can just go face and they give you so much damage.
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>try to counter a certain deck
>never face that deck ever again

I'm done investing dollars into this fucking rigged bullshit
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>literally can't get past rank 19 with murloc paladin

kill me
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>>176257187
iOS has always been taxing for Hearthstone. In the UK:
2 packs = £2.99 (£2.99 normal)
7 packs = £9.99 (£8.99 normal)
15 packs = £19.99 (£16.99 normal)
40 packs = £48.99 (£44.99 normal)
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>local meta
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So is MemeStorm's rankings correct?
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>>176256898
Good for rank 20 grind
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>>176257659
it's basically just reynad's feelings without any data to back it up
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>>176257510
Post deck list.

You probably miss 3 legendaries and 2 epics from the deck.
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>>176257452

You say that like it's a bad thing. Just put 2 golakkas in a deck that can reasonably allow for 2 vanilla 2/3's to be in the deck and hedge your deck to beat every other deck that isn't pirate warrior/aggro druid.
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>>176256898
Not too bad

Grab 2xEquality when you're able to craft them. It combos with Consecration and will help you out a lot. Also Hydrologist is good in pretty much every paladin deck, and thats only common.
Lower priority, but you'll want another Aldor Peacekeeper and a Stampeding Kodo to go with it. Also Wild pyromancers since you have so many spells. I'm not so sure about the Mana Wyrm, but if its working for you thats fine. Don't care much for daring reporter either. Its a little too slow for constructed.

Stonehill defender is such a great card for new players since it lets you grab all but one of the paladin legendaries.
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>>176257187
That's because Apple takes a cut out of literally every in-app purchase, including Hearthstone
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>>176255323
"Healthy" as in there is a wide variety of viable classes/archetypes rather than "this one deck I like sucks and this other one I hate is good! Woe is me!", you salty spittoon.

A refined Aggro Paladin, Quest Rogue or Secret Mage would be my guess, but they doubled down pretty hard on the whole RPS thing so it shouldn't be as bad as Garroshstone got
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>>176255028

Then I guess I'm better than them because it never takes me more than a few days to climb. Are you sure these 'pros' aren't people like Toast playing meme decks at the behest of Twitch chat?
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>>176256846
>balanced meta
>50% winrates
Not if you are good enough to be a legend player.
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>>176257659
memestorm ranking is based on feelings and a few sample players instead of VS which way more accurate
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>>176257659
>>176257773
this
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>Warlock and Shaman are both dead

B R A V O
R
A
V
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BRODE
R
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D
D
E
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>>176258078
pros cannot beat RNG. They can have an edge over a long run but straight up RNG even the pros can't hedge against
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Is this about right? I don't have patches but I have everything else it seems. Just trying to get to rank 5 quickly so I can meme, sorry in advance everyone I run into.
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>>176256846

Decks don't just 'have' winrates you fucking idiiot; you have to pilot them. My winrate to 5 was over 70%.
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>>176258294
>I don't have patches
anon...
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>>176258294
you don't meme till you hit legend. rank 5 is for quitters.
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>>176258341
Yeah. Decks don't have winrates. Take your basic and classic only F2P decks and make legend @ 70% winrate.
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>>176258491
but climbing to legend is a miserable long road full of flavor of the month shitters
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>>176258258

Right... so this is what I said in my original post:

>The nature of cardgames means you can't win every time, but there's a lot of skill involved in HS.

>>176250415

Pros can lose to bad players, and they can lose severasl times in a row to bad players; however, they tend to climb very easily with extremely high winrates compared to most people. Hell, I'M able to climb to 5 with a high winrate in just a few days every single season and I'm not even in the same universe as actual top players.
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Does this have any chance of working?
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>having fun at rank 20-10
>everyone has pretty noob decks but its all with good intent
>play one guy who netdecks and draws his perfect aggro game
>lose all motivation to play for the rest of the day

its just so fucking boring and demotivating when that kind of thing happens where you literally cannot counter him unless you remake your deck
i've been playing for 3 years so i could definitely make a deck to counter everything now, or make a 'top tier deck' but i just dont want to do that
i like picking the things i want to play and fucking around with them
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>>176257773
>implying Reynad does actual work

It's people he employs to do the Snapshot like JAB, Ant, VLPS, etc. who spill their feels and salt to make it and then Noodle probably jams a deck he's been "innovating" recently a few spots higher than it should be. Zoo was #8 in the second snapshot.
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>>176258576
>but there's a lot of skill involved in HS.
As much skill as you can get flipping coins. Or did you miss Pavel's game last night where the last 4-5 turns were reduced to coinflips with rag hero power.
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>>176258604
Probably not, but at least you're guaranteed for some meme'y fun, isn't that the glory of concede decks?
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>>176257785
The worst thing is that I got basically all staples. Tirion, Finja and Tarin.
Doesn't help that I'm going against decks that I have no idea how to play against at this rank, like elemental and jade shaman, jade druid, stuff like that.
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>that one autist who calls everyone a shieldbearer and shits up every thread with "muh legend"
lma0 your obsession with legend is so juvenile it's pathetic. don't you have anything else going for you? if you are such a competitive player, why do you spend your time in a community that doesn't give a shit about "muh esports competitive skill based game"???? /hsg/ has literally never cared about rank or "muh htc points".

you could be out there grinding ass and scoring poon, but instead you choose to spend your days grinding the ladder and scoring... what exactly? a hideous card back? lmfa0 get real kiddo.

you ain't shit and you hide behind your ladder rank to mask your pathetic sense of self worse r0fl how sad.

come at me bro.

>pic related, it's me
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>>176258517

That's not even close to what I'm arguing you dumb fucking retard. Of course card quality matters, but you said:

>all the top decks have about a 50% winrate so it's hard to get a winstreak or climb fast xD

Which is retarded, because wins/losses are always a zero sum game in HS and top decks will ALWAYS be close to 50%, statistically, overall. Good players climb fast, and get good winstreaks, with good winrates, because they play well.

Fuck this place pisses me off, you shieldbearers are so fucking dumb. Hearthstone is a simple game. The fact that you people can't play it well, and the content of your posting here, shows me you can't think, and you're stupid. Most likely you can't do fucking anything.
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>>176258604
Why not pick freezing trap?
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>>176258662

Christ, not this, not every time.

Like all card games, there's significant varience due to RNG in hearthstone. This varience is neutralized over hundreds and thousands of hands, games, draws, RNG effects, etc, and what separates the legend rank 1 finishers and tournament winners from people like you or I is significantly better gameplay decisions overall.

I watched some of Pavel's sets and the way he plays both Mage and Paladin was blowing my mind, and I piloted both of those decks to Legend last season, and I'm playing at rank 2 right now with Discover mage. I'm able to acknowledge that the reason Pavel has better results than I do isn't that he just flips more fucking coins.

But whatever shiedbearer. Post rank so I can fucking laugh at you.
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>>176258491

No rank 5 is for 400 free dust which is a big step up from 100 free dust at rank 10. I already got the legend card back, I'm a permanent f2p'er oldfag who just wants to get to the point where I can test out different meme ideas I have against the meta, not give a fuck about winning or losing compared to just having fun again, and occasionally play anti-meta decks to cockblock rank 6's (usually super aggro hate decks with golakkas and shit in them).
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>>176258716
Post a replay or something since you have the deck tracker. The deck pretty much plays itself man. I don't know what you're doing wrong.
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>>176258294
>sorry in advance
I play egg druid on wild, pirate is a free win.
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>>176258228
>he thinks Shaman is dead

lmao get a load of this guy, I bet he doesn't farm Paladins with Ele/Jade Shaman.

Warlock deserved it's day of the rope so they could reevaluate it. It has literally never been a bad class before unlike every other class in the game (arguably Mage, even Warrior/Rogue have had slumps). At least there is a format now where they are still defining the meta.
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>>176258781
I am not that guy but i saw your retarded post which said "decks have no winrates" and wanted to point out that is an absolutely fucking moronic thing to say. Sure good players have high winrates but that is because of the decks they play as well. You attribute too much to the player when HS is very much about deck quality as well. Suck a dick moron.
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>>176258491

Nobody listen to this guy lol. If you've hit Legend once for the cardback, it's not worth grinding it again, much less every season.
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>>176258995
>and what separates the legend rank 1 finishers and tournament winners from people like you or I is significantly better gameplay decisions overall.

Not even that guy but no, what separates us is autism and/or streaming the game for a literal living, as in that's their actual job. The main reason why you "skill" fags get memed on all the time here is because you refuse to accept that it's a matter of quantity, not quality.

Christ, not this, not every time indeed.
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>>176258995
>Like all card games, there's significant varience due to RNG in hearthstone
Name one card game with more variance than HS. In fact name one card game which seeks to introduce more variance into its game than limit it as a design. There is skill in HS. But skill can only go so far when your game is designed to reward RNG regardless of good or bad play.
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>>176259064

No. Top decks will all hover around 50% because there's an exactly equal number of wins and losses in the HS game pool, and people are matched in an attempt to generate winrates as close to 50% as possible.

He said that all decks having a 50% ish winrate makes it impossible to climb fast, but good players will pilot the same deck he's calling 50% with a 70% winrate.
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>>176258995

Actually no, you know what, I read your post a little more closely and I want to bite for once and give you a chance just out of curiousity:

>I watched some of Pavel's sets and the way he plays both Mage and Paladin was blowing my mind

Actually explain this in detail, if you wouldn't mind. I've always wondered what these "mind blowing" plays are in Hearthstone you and your ilk seem to be so keen on.

Please, do tell, feel free to include timestamps or screencaps or whatever. What are these "mind blowing plays" that no ordinary human can possibly come up with?
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>>176259221

> There is skill in HS. But skill can only go so far when your game is designed to reward RNG regardless of good or bad play.

I totally agree; the skill ceiling in HS is quite low compared to most competetive games. HS is certainly not my favourite competitive game, but it's retarded to say there's no skill.

>>176259179

Shut the fuck up you genuine retard. Pavel is so much better than me at playing that it's not even funny, and I'm much better than you. Post your fucking rank so I can laugh my ass off.
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>>176259228
Now it is "top" decks. Nice moving of goalpost faggot. What happened to and I quote
>Decks don't just 'have' winrates you fucking idiiot;
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>>176258576
Honestly, the skill difference between a dumpster legend memer that uses the legend cardback because lmao post your rank shieldbearer and someone who consistently ranks on legend leaderboard every month is much larger than the average rank 12 player and dumpster guy. 99% of people don't actually have an explanation for the plays they make with most of the information they have available factored in. Besides, all you have to do is KILL your opponent.

>t. dumpster legend player
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>>176259371
Of course there is skill. Even reading cards text (something which casters can't seem to do) is a form of skill in game knowledge. To constantly attribute skill over luck and quantity of games is fucking moronic. Hearthstone is probably the least skillful competitive card game I have seen in a very long time. Even fucking bridge has more skill.
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>>176259004
https://hsreplay.net/replay/ScWPQMuCs8PA5hTghNcZVe

https://hsreplay.net/replay/X9Pours5NxQUqy6thDrUxh

two back to back losses I just had
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>>176259315

Sorry dude, but there's literally no way I'm going to go watch an entire one hour set in order to find every single interesting or non-obvious play in attempt to convince someone on 4chan of a position that I already know for certain is correct. You don't matter to me that much.

If you care to educate yourself, here's the set that I watched. It doesn't matter to me at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfiuc4fndYM
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>>176259371

I'm completely serious in asking you to please share with the class what these "mind blowing" (your words) plays pavel made were. Go ahead, prove me wrong fuckface.

Because no one has ever answered this before and since you're in every thread and never stfu about skill in hearthstone, you should be able to do it right? I'm just asking you to point out the plays you personally watched and considered mind blowing.
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>>176258604
>Grievous Bite
>Alley Cat
>Cult Master
>no Dinomancy
>no Freezing Trap
>no big drops


C'mon man
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>>176259567
Hero power Rag shot into opponent face for lethal.

100% skill.
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>>176259373

That quote is totally true... decks don't "have" winrates. My winrate to rank 5 with murloc Paladin this season was 72%. The deck didn't have that winrate. I did.

>>176259465

Oh I totally agree. I'm a multi time legend player who's never gone beyond dumpster, and I've been arguing throughout this thread that someone like Pavel is so far beyond me in terms of skill that it's not even funny.

>>176259504

>Hearthstone is probably the least skillful competitive card game I have seen in a very long time.

I don't have much experience with other card games, but I tend to agree with you. That said, nobody in this thread is even remotely near to touching the HS skill ceiling.
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>>176258078
>>176258576
>>176258781
>>176258995
>>176259315
>>176259371
>climb
>pilot
>skill
>mind blowing plays
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>>176259371
>>176259504

"No skill" is just shorthand for "the skill cieling is incredibly low and player's skill has such a small effect on winrate it is barely worth even considering". It's generally easier to just point you to one of your long-time playing, multi-award-winning "pro's" explaining why Hearthstone is shit skill-wise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egkNbk5XBS4&t=228
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>>176259567

See

>>176259549

I'm sure you're completely serious. I don't care. It's like you're that one annoying friend everyone has who insists that there's no skill in poker and you're demanding I spend time 'proving' an obvious and established fact to you.

If you're so dumb that you can't notice the simple fact that there's a huge performance and skill gradient in HS then you're probably to dumb to change your opinion anyway, lol.
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>>176259724
>I did
Then do the same a deck made of only basic cards. You and the deck contributed to the 72%. It is moronic to say that only you did the hard work. You probably net deck like a faggot anyway.
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Can I get away with Aggro Druid without Patches? I don't want to craft that little faggot.
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yes
>>176259873
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>>176259675

No really I'm serious, he said and I quote again:

>I watched some of Pavel's sets and the way he plays both Mage and Paladin was blowing my mind

This guy always talks about this shit but never actually gives even one example of a "mind blowing" play, I'm actually curious what one would even look like and how common it even comes up. Really, just one example.

>>176259549

Oh... so you're just bullshitting this whole time. Got it, thanks for dumpstering your opinion for me.

Come back when you can actually provide even one example of "mind blowing" play in Hearthstone. Even one. This should be easy if player skill makes such a large difference, like you say.

Guess not though, oh well.
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>>176259873
It's not as good. Just craft him, he's a good legendary. You get Pirate Warrior free (assuming you already have Leeroy)
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Reminder to vote for the sake of seeing the average highest rank attained in /hsg/:

http://www.strawpoll.me/12883046/
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>>176259060

>It has literally never been a bad class before

You mean like Warrior?
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>>176259756

>"the skill cieling is incredibly low and player's skill has such a small effect on winrate it is barely worth even considering".

Totally untrue though. Drop the average rank 18 dumbfuck into rank 2 and he's going to sink like a stone with a 30% winrate, or something even worse. Meanwhile, top ladder players, or Blizzcon finalists are able to climb consistently with winrates up to 70%+.

Lifecoach's point makes no sense mathematically btw:

>if you play okay you have a 60% winrate
>if you play really good you have a 65% winrate
>if you play really really bad you have a 50-55% winrate

Obviously this is mathematically impossible, right?
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>>176259724
>That said, nobody in this thread is even remotely near to touching the HS skill ceiling.
That is because this game is so unrewarding to high skilled players. Players like to see their time invested in the game rewarded. Not shat on because someone played like shit and high rolled 2 times to win the game.

Remember this is a children's card game we are talking about. Why would you try to reach a skill ceiling in a game where the devs constantly make design choices specifically to shit on people like you?

We are here to have fun and make memes. Fuck off retard.
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>>176259179
>play a finite, small number of games in tournament bracket
>certain players consistently finish top 8/16

What? Grinders tend to do very well in tournament because they have the route to playing matchups literally burned into their autistic heads at that point, but your agrument is fucking stupid.
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>>176259831
>you're annoying
>an obvious and established fact
>I don't have to prove anything, it's just a waste of my time it's not like I can't
>you're so dumb
>you're probably to [sic] dumb

kek
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>>176260071
>Obviously this is mathematically impossible, right?

He is talking about the average pro player vs the regular season ladder legends. If you have sub 50% winrate, I advice you not to go pro.
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>>176259986

Go watch the set, lol. The thing with you shieldbearers is there's no way to win. I've learned that from posting here for awhile now. You'll never accept anything that doesn't place the blame for your inability to climb ladder solely on RNG.

Just watch the first game of the set I posted and tell me if you would have made most of the plays Pavel does. The two commentators (firebat and somebody I don't know) are unable to predict the plays every single turn, because there are different avenues and Pavel chooses very unique ones. He also wins the set with a 3-0.

>>176259841

Okay... I had to use the same good cards that everyone else uses to make a playable deck. The deck, with a 52% average on VS I was able to climb with a 72% w/r. It's not the deck.
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>>176260316
>It's not the deck.
Like I said, if it is not the deck then use a deck made with only basic cards. Because if you can't, it is absolutely because the deck helped contribute.
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>>176260231

Well exactly... pro players are so much better than average ladder players, and that speaks to a skill differential.

>>176260208

It's an obvious and established fact that there's skill in games like:

>Hearthstone
>Bridge
>Poker
>MTG

Despite each hand/game being extremely dependent on draw rng and other random factors. Hearthstone may be the worst offender, but there's obvious predictive validity when it comes to skill and ladder finishes/turnament placings. If you refuse to acknowledge this because you're insecure about your own ability to crawl out of rank 12 (it's just time, lol), that's on you, and it's because you're a moron. I don't have to sugarcoat it for you, lol.
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>>176259831
>>176260071
>>176260316
I kind of feel sorry for this guy. He is here almost every day, starting shit with random posters and generally just being a nuisance to the thread. He never actually says anything insightful, it's almost just a slew of insults and calling people shieldbearers because they play the game differently.

I don't think he has any friends 2bh. He is unnaturally obsessed with "Legend" and "skill" in a game is widely considered to be a casual time waster ("pro players" and streamers not withstanding).

You can always tell it's him because he's the only person who unironically uses "lol" in every post he writes.

I think it's time we just ignore him. Eventually he'll find a "skillful" community where he actually fits in.
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>>176260514
I already said there is a skill in hearthstone you cock sucking moron. I also said it is unrewarding to be skillful and hearthstone is the least skillful card game I have ever seen played competitively.
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>>176260459

lol, holy shit, I can't imagine being this dumb and assblasted. You said originally that all the decks have 50% winrates so you can't climb easily/get winstreaks. I explained to you that good players are able to perform with those decks at winrates far above 50% and you then branched off into this retarded tangent about:

>oh yeah, if decks don't matter then make a deck of basic cards and win xD

Which is obviously missing the point. I didn't use a deck that was any stronger than any of my opponent's decks, lol. You'd understand that everyone beyond a certain rank is using top tier decks. Maybe once you get beyond rank 16 you'll start to realize that.
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>>176259567
If you want a quick rundown of top level HS, I'd watch JustSaiyanHS's vod review of Dreamhack top 16 games, he and Crane333 were analyzing many of the games on a turn-by-turn basis, which is easier to do in hindsight/seeing both hands. It's not "mind blowing" or anything, but pros tend to think about their plays in the context of the game a bit more than the average player.

>>176259724
I really wouldn't use Pavel as the hallmark child of a "top pro". He doesn't contribute much to the deckbuilding community and doesn't place top ladder very often- he's the quintessential "just bring good shit to conquest tourneys and hope you win" tournament player. Someone like Xixo who has been a top ranking player/deckbuilder in every meta is a better example. Fuck he's white.
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>>176260620

Yeh, I dunno why we're arguing. I agree with you and always have.

Hearthstone requires skill, but it has a low skill ceiling and it's a dumb game to invest too much time in/play competetively.

^ I think that's the only sane viewpoint.
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>>176260648
Read >>176259064
Not only have I addressed a post to you saying I am not that guy, you have read that post. Replied to it. And then still pretend I am another person. Yeah you might be "skillful" in hearthstone but you are absolutely shit at reading comprehension. No wonder a children's card game suits you.
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>>176260685

Meh, Pavel is just someone whose games I was impressed by recently. The reality is that all the top players are much, much better than I am.

>>176260594

t. assblasted shieldbearer.

>calling people shieldbearers because they play the game differently.

I couldn't care less how people play the game. I get frustrated by how stupid people are regarding the way they interpret statistics and how they rationalize their own inability to go beyond rank 15, lol. I don't even think I'm skilled at HS, I just know I'm better than most of these tards.
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>>176260769
Cause you are a moron that can't take Ropecoach's words into context and think what he said about winrate is a literal reflection of all legend players. I had to correct and then you proceeded to tell me there is a differential in skill for god knows what reason.
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>>176260009
I mentioned Warrior, but really in Classic it was the original "45% against everything" class so I wouldn't say it was ALWAYS top tier, unlike Warlock and Druid who have been relevant since the beginning- vanilla I mean, beta had it's kooky Mage Hunter Rogue memes but they have pretty successfully killed Rexxar

pic related
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>>176259548
Hold onto your secrets. Dont waste them on your hydrologists. You aren't going to ever out-tempo a shaman. Never keep bluegill in your opening hand. Its pretty trash and you only want to pull it from finja if possible.

Save buff spells for key trades or use them when you're pretty sure he doesn't have a hex. Its not an easy matchup especially when you're playing the more aggressive variant of murloc pally. Maybe try the slower one.

If you're legitimately only running into shamans though, maybe you should just switch to a different deck until you hit 15.
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>>176260790

lol oh sorry, I'm responding to a bunch of posts.

Anyway as to your point, yes, card quality matters. I don't think anyone would dispute that. Card quality doesn't have a positive effect on your winrate beyond a certain rank threshold though because at a certain point every single person will be playing will fully constructed T1 or T2 meta decks. You can tank your winrate by lowering card quality, but you can't improve it by adding card quality because card quality caps out at the strongest deck.

Hope that makes sense.
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>>176260908
>I just know I'm better than most of these tards.
Congratulations. You are better at a children's card game. What is the next step of your master plan? Seeking more validation on /hsg/? If you are so good, did you participate in the /hsg/ tournament?
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>>176260943

>I had to correct and then you proceeded to tell me there is a differential in skill for god knows what reason.

Because people in these generals consistently deny that skill is even a variable in HS period.

You're right, Lifecoach is talking about the top player scene, and his concerns are totally valid. HS is not a good game at top competetive level.
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>>176260908
See, there he goes doing it again.

He projects all of his values and beliefs onto other people, assuming that they must feel the same way because it's the only way to possibly feel (right?). This is a classic sign of Autism Spectrum Disorder.

Then he rationalizes how he's so much better than everyone else with his diatribe on "statistics" and "skillful gameplay" even though he clearly has no formal training in the former, and can't defend the latter without resorting to the insults and shieldbearer thing again.

Just stop, my dude.
Nobody here cares about your opinions.
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>>176260514

Goddammit dude no one says there is literally 0 skill in Hearthstone, why does this keep coming up? It's that the amount of skill required is so low and has such a low impact on the outcome of games compared to the cards in your deck, your matchups, your draws, and your RNG effect rolls, on top of that the skill ceiling is so low (most games last fewer than 10 turns, with very few possible choices on any given turn and requiring only basic elementary-level math like addition to figure out), that talking about skill in the game is a joke.

You compare that to games like Starcraft or Rocket League or any other game where a master will stomp an average player every time and it actually takes a long time and a lot of practice and even a certain degree of innate talent to even perform certain techniques in the game, and you see how much of a joke "skill" in Hearthstone is. There are games where skill contributes over 90% to the outcome of a match, even up to 99.999% in some cases. I guarantee you if I played against Kronovi or Gibbs in Rocket League 1v1 I'd get completely obliterated every fucking time because they're just that skilled.

The worst part of all though is that it's a fun game, RNG is fun. You eSports faggots ruin the game for the rest of us who just want to fuck around. If you want to wave your e-peen around go git gud at a game that requires actual skill, Hearthstone isn't one of them, and by "isn't one of them" I mean a kid in elementary school could be a "pro player" if he was allowed to play all the time like the rest of these autist streamers.
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>>176261096

Nah I didn't sign up.

> Seeking more validation on /hsg/?

You realize I'm 100% anonymous here, right? What validation can I possibly receive from a bunch of people who just get annoyed that I'm even suggesting there's a skill factor in winrate when it comes to this game? Obviously none, I just like explaining to people that they're fucking stupid sometimes. Sue me.
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>>176260071
He's talking about the argument of diminishing returns for being a pro in terms of winrate compared to the average legend grinder, which is partially true compared to other card games. The "average grinder" doesn't really exist in other card games, though, because usually the top players just dominate local tourneys and there's no ladder to differentiate.

Speaking of grinders, I do respect Tyler for literally always being top 50 to legend/playing in top 100 on multiple servers basically all month long, even though he does 18 hour days to get there
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>>176261236
>Nah I didn't sign up.
Why not? Despite the memes I consider /hsg/ a way more skillful tournament than other tournaments due to banned cards.

There was no meta due to plenty of cards being banned so this tested your deckbuilding skill as well.

If you are as good as you claim to be why didn't you participate in the tournament? Or are you another phony who is only good at autistic card games but need to netdeck to win?
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>>176261228

> It's that the amount of skill required is so low and has such a low impact on the outcome of games compared to the cards in your deck, your matchups, your draws, and your RNG effect rolls, on top of that the skill ceiling is so low (most games last fewer than 10 turns, with very few possible choices on any given turn and requiring only basic elementary-level math like addition to figure out), that talking about skill in the game is a joke.

Your wrong. The decisions that a typical rank 18-14 ladder player and a Blizzcon finalist will make with the same deck are huge, and they're very impactful. There's enough skill that certain players climb fast with high winrates and others climb slowly or stall at very high ranks.

>You compare that to games like Starcraft or Rocket League or any other game where a master will stomp an average player every time and it actually takes a long time and a lot of practice and even a certain degree of innate talent to even perform certain techniques in the game, and you see how much of a joke "skill" in Hearthstone is. There are games where skill contributes over 90% to the outcome of a match, even up to 99.999% in some cases. I guarantee you if I played against Kronovi or Gibbs in Rocket League 1v1 I'd get completely obliterated every fucking time because they're just that skilled.

This is true for all card games my guy. I could win a hand of poker against the world's most successful poker player. I could even win an entire night of poker against such a man. I could never win a game of chess vs Magnus Carlsen. Comparing the two games and deciding that Poker, thus, requires no skill, is really silly.

>You eSports faggots ruin the game for the rest of us who just want to fuck around.

I'm not trying to stop that, but when I see absolutely fucking stupid statements like this:

>I mean a kid in elementary school could be a "pro player" if he was allowed to play all the time like the rest of these autist streamer.

No
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>>176261134
>Because people in these generals consistently deny that skill is even a variable in HS period.

God dammit dude no they don't, it's basically shorthand for "skill accounts for maybe a +/-5% winrate overall and can be achieved relatively quickly and easily for anyone with a 5th grade education, so it isn't worth considering for the most part". No one wants to write all that though.

It's not that it isn't a variable at all, it's that it is so insignificant of a variable and it's benefits so easily achieved that it might as well not even exist, let alone be praised as any sort of an accomplishment like you keep purporting it to be. Comments like "mind blowing plays" make you look like a fool.
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>>176261639
Mind blowing plays were handlocks in the past or even patron warrior.

Mind blowing plays now is PR discovering lethal.

It is about as mind blowing as the casters are braindead.
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>>176261382

>If you are as good as you claim to be

I've never claimed to be good, lol; all I've claimed is that I'm better than people who don't acknowledge a skill gradient exists in Hearthstone. Those people are incapable of being good at the game because they're idiots, and if they had ever gotten to even a respectable rank, they'd understand that there's a decision tree and that skill determines the path that people take or don't take.

>Or are you another phony who is only good at autistic card games but need to netdeck to win?

I've only posted here like 4 times, I don't really know how it works.
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>literally one autist shitting up the entire thread for hours now
>he persists despite everyone telling him what a wrong asshole he is
HE PERSISTED
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>>176261793
>I've never claimed to be good
Ha. What a good joke. Always asking people to post rank. Turns out you are just a phony netdecking grinder. I have more respect for everyone who signed up for the /hsg/ tournament than you seeing as everyone was willing to put on a show and brought out their own unique decks with their own flavor. That is way more skillful than anything you can hope to achieve.
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>>176261639

>it's basically shorthand for "skill accounts for maybe a +/-5% winrate overall and can be achieved relatively quickly and easily for anyone with a 5th grade education, so it isn't worth considering for the most part".

None of this is true. It's not even close to true.

>Comments like "mind blowing plays" make you look like a fool.

This is coming from an idiot who thinks skill accounts for + or - 5% of your total winrate, lol.
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when does the china tournament start?
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>>176261632

A kid who understands basic arithmetic and algebra has the skills needed to be a "pro", beyond that it's mostly just a matter of playing a lot and memorizing the few matchups you even come across, the majority of the time only needing to know mulligans and the first 10 or fewer turns of any given game.

It's just really a very limited number of decisions you need to make at any given time in the game, especially since Patron Warrior got nerfed into oblivion. That's probably one of the only times you could actually say that "skill" had a significant impact on win/loss ratios in Hearthstone, if you want to talk about skill in the game that's probably your best bet but the problem is that it's gone forever now. Lifecoach even talks about this.
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>>176261803

The thing is that I'm not wrong. I'm just demonstrably right, and some people can't handle it because they have some weird ego attachment to their shitty rank in HS so they have this mantra of: "it's only time, it's only time, a five year old could do it, it's only time". Which is just totally false.

>>176261931

Rank is a direct reflection of winrate which is usually demonstrative of game knowledge, decision making, and understanding. I think it's reasonable for me to request that people who deny the existence of such things show off the rank they're able to achieve.
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>>176261954

>A kid who understands basic arithmetic and algebra has the skills needed to be a "pro", beyond that it's mostly just a matter of playing a lot and memorizing the few matchups you even come across, the majority of the time only needing to know mulligans and the first 10 or fewer turns of any given game.

uh huh... and may I see your rank please?

This is totally wrong, and also stupid. Along with everything else you post.
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>>176262105
>I'm just demonstrably right
You're not. You have offered no proof of anything at all. It's just the same tripe repeated over and over. Numerous professional players, including Lifecoach, Kolento, and Firebat have questioned the level of skill that is necessary for "competitive" play. Pro tip: it's fucking low.

>weird ego attachment to their shitty rank in HS
No, that's you. You are the one putting so much emphasis on skill, rank, and pro players.

Everyone else just wants you to go away so we can go back to memes and funposting.

You should probably just go back.
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>>176262105
Factors of rank also include quantity of games played as well as type of deck used. It might surprise you that people don't find it enjoyable to grind the same T1 deck over and over again. Also deckbuilding is a large part of any card game except hearthstone. I find creative deckbuilding way more skillful than any of those factors you mentioned. Sad you didn't join in /hsg/ tournaments, you candy ass would have been whooped 3-0 in the first round when you tried to autistic netdeck in a tournament with banned cards.
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>>176261236
see
>>176260231
>>176260769
>>176260685
>>176261096
>>176261321
There have been multiple people that have already agreed with your general sentiment but without being a flailing retard about it. Stop being so defensive/self-righteous about your good winrate over 50 games this season.

Deck choice will always be the most important factor in determining winrate in HS, and every other TCG/CCG. This isn't a static, zero-sum meta. Lists and the occurrence of certain archetypes aren't "all things held equal", and are constantly changing, as well as tech choices that affect overall winrates as well. Playing well is obviously important, but it's the secondary decider ultimately, and as many people have pointed out HS does not reward good play with satisfying marginal gains relative to other card games.
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stop trolling each other

dumb idiots
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>>176262326

>You're not. You have offered no proof of anything at all.

Yes I have. I've repeatedly explained that winrates differ by player, with stronger players maintaining higher winrates. Or, how would you explain that if skill isn't a factor? You can't "spend more time" and get a higher winrate, lol.

>Numerous professional players, including Lifecoach, Kolento, and Firebat have questioned the level of skill that is necessary for "competitive" play. Pro tip: it's fucking low.

Depends on what you mean by low. If you mean that, compared to the majority of serious competetive games, Hearthstone has a significantly lower ceiling, then I'm totally in agreement with you. If you mean that the HS skill ceiling is so low that anybody in this thread is capable of playing to the same level as Kolento, Firebat, or Lifecoach, then, lol, you're a fucking idiot, and I'm gonna have to ask you to post rank.

>You are the one putting so much emphasis on skill, rank, and pro players.

In this episode "putting so much emphasis on" means "acknowledding that it exists".
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itt: POST successful matches after opponent taunts you with a bs move

>vsing Wild Quest Egg Priest with Wild Mid-Range Anyfin Paladin
>dindu priest entombed my Tirion and said "thank you"
>finishes quest and his HP set to 40
>think about quitting but realize I'm still in the game with 29 HP and still have a lot of resources
>all of a sudden anyfin
>get finja, bluegill, etc.
>he destroys all warleaders and bluegill with Dr. Boom and random minions left over from deathrattle mechs
>my turn
>attack with finja, get old murk-eye and another random murloc
>adapt with megasaur
>windfury
>spam thank you while raping him with windfury Old Murk-Eye because fuck dindu priest
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>>176262403

>There have been multiple people that have already agreed with your general sentiment

Yes, and other people are still persistently arguing that schoolchildren could play as well as Blizzcon finalists if they spent as much time.

>Playing well is obviously important, but it's the secondary decider ultimately, and as many people have pointed out HS does not reward good play with satisfying marginal gains relative to other card games.

Sure, I've been consistently agreeing with those people whenever they've said that.

>>176262349

I understand, rank isn't everything. I still expect all of these people who know the skill ceiling so well, and understand exactly what it takes to win or place well at a hearthstone tournament to have AT LEAST hit Legend. But of course none of you have. It's weird that you're not willing to accept that there might just be things you don't know about a game when you haven't experienced even the bottom rung of competetive play. Hell, I'm perfectly happy to admit that I have absolutely no chance, ever, of finishing at rank 1 legend, and it's because I'm nowhere near good enough.
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>>176262403
holy shit I miss Geargia so much, I still tried bringing it to a local tournament in 2015 for the memes and got 2nd
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What the fuck can i do against Face Hunter as a Freeze Mage?

I keep queuing into them and getting destroyed
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>>176262987

It's a good matchup for Hunter, lol.
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>>176262798
>But of course none of you have
Says the guy who didn't even participate in the local tournament. A load of boasting from a guy who claims to be better than everyone with nothing to show for it besides his rank from autistic grinding and netdecking. I would have taken you more seriously if you actually beat other players from /hsg/. Sad.
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>ITT: Autist who made Legend for the first time (with Pirate Warrior) attempts to justify his existence on an anonymous image board
Reddit is honestly better than /hsg/ at this point
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>>176262987
hope they brick
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>>176263051

I dunno, can I still sign up? I'd like to play in it, I just didn't know how to sign up.
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>a 5th grader could get to blizzcon finals
This is probably coming from the same people who think that mage is OP.
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>>176263198
Nah. You are too late. Participate in the next one which is wild next month + banned cards.
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Challenge a friend! DoctorX#1867 on American server.
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>>176263162

>hur dur this game is just a coinflip simulator, children can play as well as blizzcon finalists

Uhhh, no, that's not true, let me explain why...

>WOW, UR SO DEFENSIVE, LOL FUCKING TRYHARD FAGGOT, HEARTHSTONE REQUIRES ABSOLUTELY NO SKILL

Yeh, and I'm the bad guy.
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>>176263268
Everyone except Reynad thinks mage is OP. Even Reynad probably thinks it is OP but somehow his writers at tempostorm didn't reflect that.
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>>176262987
Honestly the only thing you can do is maximize your damage by flooding inbetween AoE turns (6 especially, also whenever the fuck he feels the desire to glyph and win). All of your bows go face. All of your burn goes face. It's tough but sometimes you can squeeze it out.

>>176263043
It's not, though. It used to be in the past, and people are using this bias to falsely believe they are favored. If Token Druid with 2 Swipe usually doesn't get it done against Freeze Mage, Face Hunter certainly struggles. Rexxar's burn isn't what it used to be compared to the defensive tools Mages have now to mitigate their chip damage.
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Quest rogue is fun, fair, and completely balanced.
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>>176263572
He is talking about freeze vs face hunter. Not the reverse matchup
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>>176263572
You that read wrong.
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>>176263318
Just stop, dude. You are changing no minds to your opinion or really even arguing at this point, c'mon man. You are preaching to the Lumpenproletariat, but you're the autistic atheist fedora at the local community college screeching at them while you do it.
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the dream
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>>176262710
>Priest makes a big ass plant
>20/20 (+2HP and Double HP)
>Faceless Shambler on the 20/20
>Adapt my Kindly Grandmother
>Poisonous
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>>176263742

I don't have an opinion. It's a fact that there's decision making and skill in hearthstone and that it strongly impacts winrate. I don't care how many people disagree with me, lol. It doesn't matter.
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>>176263659
>>176263715
oh tru, I was only pretending to be retarded. Just Glyph and win, bro. If they run and draw 2 Highmanes on curve, you're fucked, but you tend to have the AoE to outlast them. It's not worth clearing a board with, say, a Fire Fly/Ele wrapping a Dire Wolf on turn 6 with Blizzard, wait for another drop then cuck his shit up next turn.
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>>176263981
Face hunters run flare for cycle which is a huge problem for mage. But then again the face variant is very rare compared to the mid range variant.
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>>176263890
>I don't care how many people disagree with me, lol. It doesn't matter.

Then why don't you shut the fuck up?
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>Play dragon priest
>roped every game

Listen cunts, I don't want my games to last long either so stop fucking roping me because I'm Tyrande.
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>>176263793
>no scavenging hyena / crackling razormaw
>no animal companion
>no houndmaster
???
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>>176264125
>Face hunters run flare for cycle

What? That makes very little sense to me, your mana as a Face Hunter is often tight enough and I haven't seen aggressive lists run Flare on ladder, only slower Mid Hunter variants. Interesting. When I hear "Face Hunter" right now, this is what I think of- aggressive 1 drops, mana capped at 1 Leeroy and 2 Rhinos.

That definitely changes things a bit in terms of having to be a bit less greedy with aoe, but otherwise it's still the same gameplan. Just fuck their shit up until they don't have any more shit
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>>176264203
>I don't want my games to last long either because I'm Tyrande.

What did he mean by this?
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>>176264476
You need flare now cause pally are the meta and hydrologist can fuck with you because 2 drop 2/2 + secret.
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>>176264152

I don't need to. I'm correct. Why don't the "coinflip simulator" shitters shut the fuck up?
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Haven't played in 2 weeks.

What are the 3 strongest decks right now? I have to blow thru some dailies ASAP.
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Man I fucked up

I took druid in arena and got auctioneer early and was offered fandral, and then a million jade cards and idols

I think if I had decided from the start to do so, I could have actually made a jade deck work
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>>176264476

Don't listen to the flarefags. I've seen very few lists which include flare.
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>>176263890
>It's a fact that there's decision making and skill in hearthstone and that it strongly impacts winrate.

The problem with your argument is the word "strongly". 2-10% change isn't a "strong" impact.
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>>176264891

That's not what it is. If you think top players have a 2% better winrate than people stalled out at rank 14 then you're a fucking moron.

The difference is about 50%, two people with the same deck, against the same pool of players. The absolute worst player (say someone trapped at rank 16 despite have a tier 1 deck) will have a winrate of maybe 20%, while the absolute best player will have a winrate of maybe 70%.
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>>176264720
Mid/Murloc Paladin, Pirate Warrior, Gunter Mage, Secret Mage, Quest Rogue, Token Druid, and Taunt Warrior are all about the same as top decks. Jade Druid, Silence Priest, and Shaman are top counterqueue classes if you primarily see control decks/Priests,Mages,Druids/aggro on ladder, respectively.
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>>176264720
malygos druid
secret hunter
mill rouge
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>>176265059
not him but jesus christ you're retarded. That's not how win rate works.
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>>176265167

Yes it is... Take a total rank 17 or 18 scrub, drop him at rank 2 with a tier 1 deck, and he's going to lose... a lot. The best player in that pool will have a 70+% winrate.
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>>176265334
Take an introductory course in mathematical inference and maybe stat. analysis at your local community college anon.

>tfw share a board with retards that think mathematics is black and white like their parents
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>>176265482

What are you talking about? What winrate do you think a person who's stalled at rank 16 with sub 50% (because 50% will climb) would be able to achieve in the rank 2 player pool?
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>>176265482
>tfw share a board with retards that think mathematics is black and white like their parents

You're a dumbass, but that made me laugh.
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>>176265482
Why poke the bear?
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>>176265137
>gunter mage tier 1
>Burn mage not
OK
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>>176265795
Gunter Mage is "burn mage" as dictated by vS, you fucking idiot. They already used that term to refer to the decks with just all the burn, 2 blocks, and valets before the PsyGunter list came out, and then slotted that deck into the name and reset the data.
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>the warrior keeps drawing his upgrades and gets his hook to about 8 attack
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Am I the best player on /hsg/?
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>>176266726

Probably.

Do you believe skill exists in Hearthstone?
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>>176266726
What did you use to climb? Have been using Secret Mage but was thinking about Jade Druid
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so, in this meta, with pirate warrior as the main reason, is arcane explosion good?
like, vs pirate war, they play two 1-hp minions turn one, so arcane explosion on curve would be p nice, and still applicable for the rest of the game
still, i expect people to just shit on it cuz its not meta
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>>176267034
It's not good because you could just run doomsayers and get infinitely more value
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>>176266618
>I frostbolt his face two turns in a row and then get mirror images from my tome
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>>176267034

Try it and see dude. It's not good, but you need to see that for yourself.
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>>176267121
>implying i own enough mage cards to make any semblance of a deck
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>>176267034
Arcane Explosion is NOT good against Pirate Warrior, just like Explosive Trap is bad against it. It's decent against Hunter, but that's not enough
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>>176266779
Yeah, definitely. A little bit of luck helps of course. ;)

>>176266886
Reynad's version of PsyGuenter's mage. I have a 76% winrate from rank 5 -> high legend. 80% winrate for entire season so far. The deck is so fun and random I love it. Every game feels fresh and exciting.
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>>176267034
Why would you run that over arcane missiles?
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god damn, disguised toast is awful at this game
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>Pirate Warrior barely beats me
>Que into him again
>Shutdown his winstreak and demolish him

I hope you sink back down a rank you fucking degenerate.
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>>176267176
okay, i must be high af
explosive trap isnt good v pirate warrior?

>>176267216
boy thats a familiar argument
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>>176267193
Honestly, Gunter Mage is probably the best overall deck to climb with right now, but I just hate playing that deck for whatever reason. I'm all about Tempo and Aggro Mage but it's not the class I look to when I want to play control decks, I already play enough arena
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>>176267217
People only watch him because he's 1% of attractive asian people and he plays nothing but god awful Kripparian-tier meme decks

>>176267285
No

Explosive Trap is actually bad because pirate warriors run LE THIRSTY BLADE TROLL which will just give him like 8 damage or some shit.
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>>176267193

>best player on HSG proves my point
>has a 76-80% wr
>top 100 legend

Where are all you "skill doesn't exist" shieldbearers now, fucking tards .You'll all pop out next general to do this whole fucking circus again, I'm sure.
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>>176250393
>but who was needle worm rogue?
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>>176267349
but arcane explosion isnt a trap, and therefore cant be predicted, and obvs dont play it into frothing
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>>176267193
Because outside of First Mate and Patches (deckhand has charge so it already gets value), all of their stuff has big butts (+3 Health), it generally just doesn't impact their board in a meaningful way.
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>>176250393O
One of the first broken decks that caused Leeroy to be nerfed?

Shadowstep + leeroy combo was the original cancer that rogue spawned upon this game
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>>176267496

It does 1 fucking damage and you would NEED it on turn 2 just to wipe a fucking 1 drop, which still gives PW a 1/3 weapon.

So you trade your 2 drop for his 1 drop and he gets a free lights justice basically.

It's not that good even in the best case situation, in one matchup. A bad card to put in your deck for sure.
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>>176267349
People watch disguisedtoast for the same reason people watch Day9. They want to watch a semi competent player play meme decks on the ladder. If I want to watch attractive people play HS, I would watch Dog, Lothar and Nadia
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>Guy doesn't kill my Tundra Rhino
>Gets killed next turn

What was he anticipating?
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>>176267623
alright, i guess
i dunno, i might consider it as a one of, but i dont play mage
just theorizing
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>>176267695
>>176267217

Toast is obviously pretty good. He runs an 'entertaining' stream and isn't trying to ladder competitively.
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>>176267803
Toast is pretty good compared to the average HS but Toast would be bottom tier if we are talking competitive players. He runs an entertaining stream but that is about it.
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>>176267750

PW isn't even all that common (it's not like 30% of the meta is PW). Crawlers are significantly better techs vs PW and most decks aren't running that.

Obviously what you're saying makes sense, but you've got to consider that 85+% of the time you're not vs pirate warrior, and at least half the time you're never going to draw your one of tech choice in time for it to be impactful.

Teching is super risky so you need to make sure that when you do draw your tech choice in the MU it's a 100% win, like Hungry crab vs murlocadin.
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>Kind of want to play Aggro Druid.
>Don't want to craft Finja.

Should I?
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>>176259658
The idea behind the deck is that you are supposed to draw indefinitely and control the board aggressively as opposed to reactively.
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>play Pirate Rogue
>finally wrestle tempo back from Mid Hunter because my deck fucking sucks
>have small board plus evis for lethal
>no KC left
>he plays a maindeck King Krush for lethal


Stories from ranked floor! I know what I'm playing now
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>>176268328

you can use it in the more aggro murloc pally as well
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>>176259986
Not him but I thought this play was pretty neat
https://clips.twitch
.tv/PerfectImpossibleCormorantKevinTurtle
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>>176268384
That's an old as shit trick, people used to do that all the time with boom bots.
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>>176268578
And yet he predicted it a turn in advance and purposefully suicided his own minion to be able to accomplish it in the first place
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How can people stand spamming Taunt Warrior? I have the deck and played a LOT of games against it last season and I just don't understand. How do people enjoy this shitfest? Just stalling until they hit the "auto-win" button, distinct from every other control deck that still has to execute in the late game?

Taunt is cheat SMOrc
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Is it better to buy packs or do arena with my gold?
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>>176268793
Are you capable of getting 5-7 wins in arena consistently? Then do arena. Otherwise just crack packs.
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>>176268793
I mean technically arena is better value and you get to play arena games in the mean time, but it depends on how much time you want to invest playing arena. 1 pack per takes a while.
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>>176268854
time is the issue

arena is still better with even less than 5 wins
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why live?
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waiting for eu vs china to start general
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>kripp talks about how he quit wow because drooling noobs could be top level players
>kripp proceeds to go 2-3 by getting rekt hard by better opponents
>I got really unlucky
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>>176269631
>not playing around mct
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>>176269979
what channel is that on?
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>>176270101
>dont flood the board
>as murloc shaman
>play around mct by generally low minion quality
>he gets really stupid lucky
>'just play around it bro'
ayy lmao
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>>176270050
>opponent plays fledgling
>play taunt
>opponent has perfect answer against taunt
>lose
yes I'm sure it was skill

besides, say what you want, but when your opponent plays his topdeck for 5 turns in a row despite having 4 other cards in hand and you lose, it makes from some pretty salty stories
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>Kripp absolutely devastated right now

I really hope a good game comes a long in the next 5 years that's really popular so he can feel satisfied again

Every game he's played sans PoE has disappointed him in the end.
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>>176270050

>rekt by better opponents
>kripp consistently places 1st to 10th on the Arena leaderboard

This is what retards actually believe .
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>>176268854
>>176268886
>>176269018
arena is also more fun
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>>176270050
>kripp literally has 75% winratio in arena
>"but guys, he went 2-3 one run"

mmmmmmmh
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>>176270198
>implying he couldnt play any of the cards in his hand
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>>176236795
>>176236456
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>>176270242
I'm sure the literal millions he made with hearthstone will help him cope.
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>>176270242

he's going to be a good boy and keep playing HS for that youtube content
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WTF MY OPPONENT JUST WON A 50/50 WTF LUCKY MUCH?????????????
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>>176270781
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>>176270247
Kripp is good at arena but who would seriously defend that he's good at constructed? He's shit and never plays it
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>REXXAR VS MAIEV
>oh boy here we go
>he basically does nothing on turn 3 and 4, just renewing hero power to kill a 2/2 alleycat and his cohort
>manages to complete the entire quest turn 5
>lol
>the fucker even begins roping me and emote spamming
>even usea vanish to clear my entire board and fill his out again like nothing
>I pilot the game into turn 10 and win

lmao
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>>176271649
Uhhhhhhm, excuse me? He got second place at blizzcon, pay some respect.
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>>176271649
Kripp plays fun decks, like we should all do. Unsure why he's not playing exclusively in wild. He should.
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>get linked to Competitive HS for the guide from guy who supposedly hit legend with Elemental Priest
>post deleted
>comment section flooded with retards mad at him for not using Lightspawn in his deck for "that sweet elemental synergy xDDDD"
>he explains why (it's a shit card)
>DUDE IT ALWAYS GETS A 2 FOR 1 WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DOWNBOAT

what the fuck
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>Swashburglar grabs stand against darkness
Is this real life?
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>>176271879
Uhmm no sweetie, 2013 doesn't count. Sorry, nuh-uh.

>>176271994
he does meme when he plays constructed, you're right. Not a fan of the whole "just jam 3 archetypes in a deck at once and now it's instantly sweet!" philosophy he has, though.
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What happens when you play a yogg but the mage has a polymorph secret? Does the yogg cast the spells or turned into a 1/1?

>the mage has 2 yoggs
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>>176272114

>quest rogues still running swash
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>>176272419

it should cast until it resolves or dies
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>>176267193
This one?
http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/decks/reynads-discover-burn-mage-dreamhack-austin-2017/
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>kripp gets trashed
>starts trashing random redditors

lmao what a clown
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>>176272779
>starts trashing random redditors

OURGUY
U
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G
U
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>>176272773
take hunter
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>>176272773
Hunter, not even close.
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>>176272419
potion of polymorph says "after you enemy summons" so it should go after yogg's battlecry. emphasis on should.
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>>176272773
Hunter is real good.
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>priest with legend cardback and gold hero shits on me when i was at rank 6, last win to rank 5
>losing streak ever since- vsing three more priests

fuck priests, worst class to face
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>>176272101
"Really, "game losing"?? Let me get this straight: We are playing a deck which is heavily tweaked towards buffing health of a minion. (6 cards + discoveries) We can play a 5/5 on turn 4, its an elemental, and we often have a Turn 5 play that requires to play an elemental to trigger the discover effect There are many situations where we can buff that minion with a 0 mana PWShield to a 7/7 for 4 mana and 1 card (because of cantrip of PWS) But even if it is 'just' a 5/5 I can't imagine a situation - exept weapons, but that's for all minions we play - where it does not trade at least 1 for 1. I think it's more likely to bait out hard removal or force opponent into an unfavorable 2v1 trade, than trading 1v1. So how can this be "game losing"?"

Holy shit this is stage 4 Angry Chicken, I thought OCfags were bad
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>>176272779

fuck off beck to it then if you hate it so much, faggot
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>>176272858
>>176272885
>>176273043
I feel like I fucked up my draft. So many epics and I didn't feel good picking a single one of them.
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>>176272689
Yes. Make these changes:

-1 Black Knight
+1 Acolyte

There is also a guide on competitivehs (not written by me).
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>go second against murloc snowball deck
>automatically lose because of turn 1 murloc, turn 2 poolboy, turn 3 warleader, turn 4 gentle rapesaur
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>someone got to legend with this early in the season

huh? Neat.
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>>176273745
Dont ever pick dinomancy. Hunter's hero power is amazing and the entire class revolves around it. Even with 15 beasts in your deck I would rather have steadyshot.
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>>176273745
Like other guy said, Dinomancy is a dead draw because you usually leverage the Steady Shot damage to win.

Usually you're looking for at least 6-7 1-2 drops, idk what your draft is like but you're going to have a hard time as Hunter with no early game.

2-4 wins I expect
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>>176273960
Lakkari Felhound? For real?
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>It's Kripp playing weebverse episode.
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>>176272101
Lol I just stomped some priest who was running lightspawn. Thought he was f2p or something. Glad to know it was reddit..
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>>176274342

it's still a much better game than Hearthstone, though

this is literally the worst card game on the market, online or paper
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>>176274297
Beats me. Apparently, the guy didn't post stats and this deck looks awful. Trying it out anyway because fuck it.
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>>176274585
you must not have been playing a lot of Shadowverse recently, then.
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why does losing to priest feel so bad... hurr potion of madness hurr glimerroot into tirion
fuck priest srsly
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>need to win ONE (1) casual game for quest
>6 loss streak
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I started playing hearthstone again like a month ago and I have 500 dust. What do you guys think, what should I change?

Sry for the shitty phone screenshot.
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>>176274645
>one turn from beating a Secret Mage

?????

He drew well, too
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>>176275078
Cut Pint-Sized, Molten Reflection, and Shimmering Tempest (is it an elemental?) for Babbling Books, another Glyph, and another Steam Surger, maybe? Def replace Polymorph with Fireball.
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>>176274943
>Glimerroot into Tirion
Found the pally player. Your deck is 10 times more cancerous.

hurrr durr on curve megasaur
hurrr durr sludge belcher in spell form
hurrr durr *discovers tirion*
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>>176275623
He's right though, Priest and Mage are the perennial "no fun allowed" classes
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>>176275798
Mage is no fun allowed but why is priest no fun allowed? Only shieldbearers think priest is no fun allowed.
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>looking at the double digit HS streamers
>see cute girl
>looks VERY familiar
Turns out, she has a (twin?) sister who does cam porn. Talk about fucking luck. It's inspectoraubriellama / tidecallernami
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>discover king krush on turn 1
>it wins the game
lmao nice game you have here hearthbbs
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>Browse this guys Twitter >>176273960
>find this

What the fuck is Japan doing?
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>>176275623
>Letting him get value out of on curve megasaur
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>>176275948
That is the equivalent of
>Letting pirate warrior hit your face
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>>176275889
The whole class is based around having answers and stealing cards. Are you fucking retarded or something?
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>>176276019
>Having answers
What is their answer to 4 mana attack creatures?

>Are you fucking retarded or something?
Nah you are just shield bearer as fuck.
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>>176275986
>doing nothing for 4 turns
XDD spotted the quest rogue
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>>176276091
Nice hyperbole moron
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>>176275531
Shimmering tempest is an elemental, it's pretty much my start up for the "summon elemental" minions. And it gives spell on death too.
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>>176275889
>make the deck half a mirror match for every class
>or face dragons with a bunch of hp
>heal heal heal
>dindu nuffin potions

the only fun i see in priests is when they have a mirror match so they both realize their class is cancer and eventually kill themselves
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>>176276091
>play minions on board
>they all get cleard by opponents murlocs because they get buffed at every point of his curve
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>>176275889
>"Priest players" are back

Combo Priest is fun, but Control Priest will always be a slog for both parties unless someone steamrolls on either side. It doesn't matter if it's hard to play, it's just a chore.
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>>176276019
Mage and shamans have way better answers that are not only reactive but can be proactive as well.

Rogue has better answers and is better at stealing cards.
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Alright guys, I'm gonna give shadowverse a try, but if its just hearthstone with a weeb skin then I'll fucking crash this site with no survivors.
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>>176275623
at least paladin is honest priest is just a big fuck you
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>>176276206
A chore is playing mage and trying to pop his 5th ice block or playing a pally who discovered his 3rd tirion or a taunt warrior who coin flips rag shots all day. Those matchups are boring and a snoozefest to play.
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>>176276269
It's good until you rank up and then it turns into Hearthstone with the same 2-3 cancer decks over and over again.
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>>176275906
>aubrie has a sister that cams

Holy shit that's fantastic. I remember watching Aubrie drama on Bob's stream way back. There are actually some really good small HS streamers out there.
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>>176276279
>Honest
*Discovers tirion*
*High rolls megasaur*
*Discovers secret*
*Teleports behind you*
*Rag heals face*
*Whispers honest in your ear while stabbing you in the kidney*
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>>176276269
It's better but the current expansion is in a bad state right now. You won't climb high enough on ladder to actually experience it until the nerfs hit anyway.
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>>176276070
>4 mana attack
Wow what a shieldbearer. Doesn't even know how the game works
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>>176273821
No thalnos/elise?
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>>176276269
Shadowverse is in a really bad spot right now, this is their MSG where two aggro decks completely dominate the meta. The singleplayer shit is cool to fill out though, so definitely try that stuff out.
>>
which one /hsg/?
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>>176276746
Rogue duh
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>>176276746
Pally, rogue is overrated.
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>>176276746
rogue, don't listen to the shieldbearer saying pally
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>priest plays quest minion
>alex him to 15hp
>he renos back to 40
>otk him to 0
Wild freeze mage is so much fun holy shit
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>she gets a fucking phoenix into flame thing combo
>summon my random spell 8mana thing
>use buff target minion 4/1
>its random cast
>casts on her elemental
LOL
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>>176225082
Hit legend, afterwards, playing gets boring
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Games for today. Pavel is 5-0 in his group
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>>176278424
>mfw Pavel goes undefeated
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>>176278742
>People buy into the hype
>Vote for him again
>1 pack
>Literal who wins blizzcon
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>>176278424
Ez for russia
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After hitting Legend, is it even worth it to play this game? I'm trying to hit Rank 5 to get the golden epic, but I've been facing Secret Mage ("Whoops. Whoops. Whoops.")/Aggro Mage and dindu priest. Jade Druid is also annoying.

I think it's time I go on hiatus, not having much fun playing against these decks. At least Pirate Warrior was so linear that it was easy to predict what's going to happen.
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>>176279113
Do you enjoy experimenting with new decks/playing the game? If no, then not really
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>Hearthstone Spring prelims are sponsored by and hosted in Buffalo Wild Wings locations for most US stops
>literally no location in the Northeast US, everyone from Georgia up has to go to Canada

Wonderful
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>>176274585
/a/utist detected.
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How do I keep myself from crying when I lose at this game?
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>>176279868
Be over the age of 18
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>>176279868
Is this bait?
>>
"My deck is better than yours". This is the mentality that infests the Hearthstone community with wretched contempt, which is evident in the continuous stream of vile friend requests and hostile forum congregation. Your "snowflake" deck should be the current meta breaker but is not. This simple fact alone sparks the flame of negative emotions towards your opposition and the designers of the application. The unstoppable netdecking perpetrated by people wishing to rank at an expedited rate, instead of enjoying the process, is infuriating. Blizzard obviously encourages this arena of toxic slush, with cash cow traps for the highly skilled control player and cheaply available aggressive cards for the newcomer. It is quite understandable that when an intelligently constructed deck loses to autopilot feces, the player who suffered such loss develops a deep-seeded loathing for the game.

This sad truth belongs with us all. Unless players change their constructive habits of copying and pasting, evolved players will continue to suffer this meta chock full of the obligatory Medivh hero skin, poorly designed quests, Murlocs and an infinite amount of Taunts. Or, Blizzard could perform the right action of ridding the free-to-play sector by providing a premium experience through actual member subscriptions. Only those who wish to pay may partake in what would be a much improved meta due to better quality of player character. I appreciate the time you, the reader, have taken to digest this post.
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>>176278742
>>176278424
Pavel is the best HS player out there hands down, his winrate across all pro events is miles ahead of the competition.
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>>176280010
>nothing better to do than writing a wall text about hearthstone

Anon...
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>>176279868
Don't get too emotionally invested into this game.

I mean it's easy to say.

I've never cried at the game, but do I get salty as shit. Try to play the game from a different perspective. Nobody is out to get you salty- emotes are only what you perceive them as. Maybe it's by accident, maybe they're tilted by the game from a guy who emoted them to hell, and they're just so fed up that they need to redeem themselves by also emitting the same bullshit to someone else like you.

I'm used to RNG so I don't even try to take for granted the board I have unless they concede early.

Take a break if the game is getting to you. This game makes people salty unlike any other game I've played, and I've been around online gaming scene way too long
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>>176280143
My first time grinding to legend changed my perception on the game. I used to get so upset at every high-roll my opponents got. After a few hundred games in 1 month I just learned to deal with it, getting fucked over happens to everyone.
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I just beat the rank 8 guy and only went up 20 ranks, what gives? I'm not high ranked so I thought I'd get more out of it than that.
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>>176280538
239 is high ranked you ninkumpoop
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>>176280719
Not this early it isn't, it's mid legend.
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>>176280010
MY GRANDFATHER'S DECK HAS NO BAD CARDS, KAIBA!
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>>176280818
And I just beat some hunter at 150 or so and got more 30 ranks. I don't understand how the ranking works.
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>>176280895
It's a children's card game.
Clearly there is some RNG in the ranking system.
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>>176280090
If you've ever listened to him talk about the game and explain his plays, you can tell he's clearly a pro but I wouldn't say "the best". He takes some interesting lines sometimes that just work out for him, though.

Smoothloise best player KappaPride
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>>176280895
It's a mystery, honestly. Most pros just go by the "feel" of it, it's stupid.
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Mah boi Shoop (Dreamhack winner) did an AMA:

PavelDidNothingWrong:
Is there skill in top level Hearthstone?

shoop2:
It's a little known fact that all top level Hearthstone games are decided not by skill, not by RNG, but by which result would be the least narratively satisfying. Only after years of hard practice was I able to become boring enough to win a major.

Perfect.
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>>176281361
He isn't wrong.
Just look at the bahamas. Casters tried to create a narrative where Paval is so fucking skilled cause he looked at his opponent during the match. BTFO and 1 pack man.
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>>176281227
I give up
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>>176215156
>my magic will tear you apart
>infinite tap combo consume spirit a creature for half a million damage
>whoops.
>fireball your own face and emote for the rest of the match because you have 500k health

they aren't ready
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just played against mill rogue when i was trying to have fun in wild playing dragon reno warlock
i take back everything i ever said about freeze mage being the end all be all of hearthstone cancer, because i forgot about mill decks
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>>176282294
have you tried playing cards?
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>tfw zoo is dead for good
how is this deck supposed to function without PO? fuck you blizzard bring it back
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>>176281860
>open this image
>my shitty computer freezes
>lose ranked
t-thank you
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>>176281860
Jebaited

>>176281573
I love the paranoia of /hsg/, it's frustratingly endearing. Pavel didn't bring the best lineup to the tournament, he brought the double Reno double Pireate "good deck" comp and suffered for it. Choosing the right lineup/decks is literally the most important factor in tournaments, and on ladder really
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>>176282851
Wrong. Having good RNG is the most important thing. If you can play like shit and high roll all the time you win. That is why every year Blizzcon is won by someone new and the last year winner barely places at all.
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>>176282929
>3 world champions so far
>it's RNG bullshit because a new person wins every year
>out of thousands of people that dedicate themselves to this game

Ok. Paveling Book is inclined to agree with you, I suppose?

Also git gud
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I played 6 matches of shadowverse and already encountered two cards that say "deathrattle: put this card back into your hand". This infinite value bullshit is honestly my least favourite card design ever.
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>>176283015
>Implying I am not gud
[Muffled Ben Brode laughter]
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>>176283052
>tentacles for arms
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>>176283052
I hate discover because of this shit. I'm so bored of that turtle guy discovering 3 multiple Tarim and Tirions.
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>>176283415
>He didn't get out of his jungle
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If you hand buff c'thun and the c'thun buff c'thun the hand buffs don't show when c'thun pops up on the screen wtf?
Says 8/8 but because it's a 10/10 in your hand emperor still works
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I crafted Pyros and some Blazecallers to make an elemental mage deck

It was a mistake

I also have a Kazakus, can I use that for anything? Is Cthun mage still a thing?
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>>176284350
>also have a Kazakus, can I use that for anything?
In standard? Highlander (((priest))) (but please don't play it)
In wild? Yeah lot of reno decks around.
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>literally just got legend with reno anyfin midrange paladin

guys, ive ascended to secret tier 0
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>>176284406
>he plays wild
>he thinks hes relevant
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>>176284406
(((wild)))
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Is the Indonesian guy high as fuck or just retarded? I guess that explains the pirate warrior pick.

Is this what all of them look like?
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>>176284406
Lol, this wild hero
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>>176284648
Its indonesian
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What's the better craft for my priest shenanigans? 2 Dragonfire potions or Lyra the fun shard?
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>>176284350
>I crafted Pyros and some Blazecallers to make an elemental mage deck
>It was a mistake

It's really that bad? I was thinking to building this deck recently.
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>>176284727
Silence priest is competitive and fun right now.
The most widespread build uses Lyra and no Dragonfire.
The current consensus seems to be that if you want to play priest in this rotation you're going to have to play Lyra. It's too good even with very few spells. It's kind of like Priest's Fandral.
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>>176284648
>>176284697
Oh god, he's actually handicapped.

Karma pls dont punish me
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>>176284648
Please, tell me that someone got a screenshot of him after winning
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>>176284960
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>>176284997
>>176284957
>>176284648
>tfw you lose to a literal retard
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>>176284957
dick
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>>176285067
at least on ladder i can't see them
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>>176284957
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fuck it im just going to netdeck a taunt warrior
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>>176284997
Glorious, thanks anon.
>le pirat faec
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>>176284997
Does the fact that even a retard can win at an international championship say more about the deck or rather the game itself i wonder..
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How do we nerf Living Mana?
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>>176286238
aoe, devolve, mass dispell, conceding
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>>176286238
>Potion of madness
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Why are all Indonesians so ugly?
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>>176286238
>deck that gets shat on by boardclears but almost singlehandedly keeps the crystal rogue and pirate warrior population in check
>LET'S NERF IT
Are you in fact retarded or are you pretending?
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So priest is objectively the most fun class right now, right?
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>>176286549
not at all. it's cancer shit as always.
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>>176286549
yeah ben, what a fun class to play with and against.

kys yourself idiot
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>>176286549
Even when I'm dying turn 4-5 against pirate warrior or quest rogue, I'm always happy it's not a fucking Priest I'm up against.
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>>176286691
These days you die against priest on turn 4 as well, so at least it's over quickly.
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>>176286238
Vanish
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classes were a mistake
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>>176287134
warrior and priest were a mistake. everything else is manageable.
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>>176287134
legit, the tesl system of two colors to a deck is way better. maybe let you have 4 or 5 cards from a second class in a deck

mtg's system is even more cancer just because the only limiter is what colors of mana you can draw into. lands were an even worse mistake than hs classes.
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>>176287451
Lands in magic offer about a million more ways of influencing the game than "hurr durr gain a crystal every turn".
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>>176287919
more options doesn't always equal good options. there's an entire subgame of figuring out exactly how much mana you need to consistently nail your turn 4/5 lethal and replacing another 1/6 to 1/4 of your deck with lands that literally do nothing but kill themselves, grab another land, shuffle your deck, and waste the time of you and everyone else at the event

for every deck that runs seraph sanctuary or gavony township or one of the amonkhet deserts there are about a thousand mono red "bolt tribal" niggers like myself that run 3 mountains 3 life cost duals and like 14 fetch lands. mana being tied to lands was a mistake.
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Did the chinaman just throw the game? That was his last jade idol i think.
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Ran 6 is too fucking hard how the fuck am I supposed to make it legend i literally spent 10 hours grinding (im a security guard) and made no progress FUCK
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>decide to play freeze mage for a bit
>3 warriors in a row
>annoyed as fuck having to deal with infinite health gain
>get all of them into lethal range with block up
>lol secret eater

who are these faggots net decking? are mages really that rampant on the ladder for me to run into 3 of these in a row on a lethal turn?

i've seen maybe two other mages in my last 50 games. its all hunter, paladin and warrior.
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So how the fuck do I counter Pirate Warrior?
No matter what class/deck I'm playing, if they get a good turn 1 I'm fucking dead in the water by turn four
When is this cancer getting fixed?
>>
is superjj bad?
>>
>>176288385
Nevermind, JJ rekt, back to Gwent for that shit.
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>>176288507
aggro mage
>>
I'm so fucking tired of seeing this screen

Why hasn't blizzard addressed the issues with ranked mode yet? I work nights so the only time I have to play is early in the morning, which just so happens to be when my ISP performs maintainance. Everything is going fine when my connection will stutter or drop for a few seconds then be right back up. However thanks to the ongoing issue of the game reading hitting the quit button (or your connection dropping for even a second) the program needs to completely terminate, which ranked mode reads as a leave. In the past I've hit 5 for my rewards with no problems but now I'm stuck around 11 and every time I start hitting a streak, this bullshit happens and I lose the that along with any other game this happens during and my progress is completely destroyed. Honestly for a company reporting millions in sales they don't seem to give a shit about the quality of their games.
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>>176288507

Hunter beats it if you get your golakkas
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>>176288773
WOOOW
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>>176288378
Fetchlands bring a lot to the table though. Shuffle effects are often times very valuable and the fact that they pump your tarmogoyfs, fuel delirium/Threshold and offer fodder to deathrite shamans all makes the more than just normal lands. The shuffling is annoying (and one of the reasons why I hate modern), but they are the sole reason why three- or even four-colour decks work in older formats.
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>>176288534
Secret Mage doesn't have a really bad matchup, but I'd still say it's unfavored. The real pirate killers are Token Druid and Ele Shaman.
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>>176288938
but anon aggro mage is not secret mage
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>>176288773
read this exact same pasta on kripps chat today
>>
>tiddler on the desk

Neat. So why did dumb /hsg/ posters think the grill was trans? She just looks like an average Chinese girl, and you get abused and outcasted for that shit over there
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>>176289027
Aggro Burn Mage is a garbage deck against everything but hunters, though

Pavel looks like Steve Buchemi from The Big Lebowski right now
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>>176289290
"SHUT THE FUCK UP DONNY xDDD"

best movie
>>
Why is Pavel considered a good player?
>>
Quest rogue such a skilled deck. draw the nuts and auto win
>>
>complete quest plus play it on turn 4 and punch face for 15 damage

Yeah that sounds balanced. Just remove charge from the game entirely, it's not worth it.
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>>176289706
They are called the nuts for a reason
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>>176289650
yes, the "best" player in the game since the introduction of shit like babbling book
>>
Awight, now it's Wogue vewsus Mage.
>>
>>176279719
even with their tournaments, blizzard cares more about how much money they can make instead of them being good tournaments people can go to

next thing you know they will make all the tournaments take place on tropical islands, so the staff can get a free vacation
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>"He can't fweeze the boawd."
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>40 gold into 40 gold
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>>176290090
>win 3 games with any class
>can't even ignore it
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whats the closest thing to an exodia deck in this 'game'?
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>>176290910
exodia mage?
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>>176290910
exodia mage
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>>176290910
probably some combo stuff with thaurisan in wild I guess some sort of control boar adapt deck.
shouldn't be working since you rely on getting windfury.
Also Exodia Mage aka quest mage with tony and apprentices.
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>>176290910
malygos decks
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>>176290910
Pirate warrior. N'zoth's first mate is the left arm, patches is the right arm and the 1/3 weapon is the head.
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>>176291567
exodia has legs too
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>>176291645
coin deckhand
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>>176291567
that analogy doesn't work because drawing patches is almost a guaranteed loss
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>>176291645
your mom has legs
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Does blade furry work with envenom weapon?
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>>176291983
of course she does
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>>176292075

No
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>>176291065
>>176291068
>>176291167
>>176291303

I've always liked playing Mage, anyone got a decent list?

I just want to reach rank 5 this season, I've had a ton of fun last month playing Discolock but I barely got to rank 10, now I am struggling to get past 12-13.

I could always go taunt warrior I suppose. I'll never play hunter or rog.
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>>176280010
>Highly skilled control players

It's funny because this is what a cucktrol player would unironically say
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>>176292152
exodia isn't a good climbing deck
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>>176292152
Secret mage, which aint freeze nor exodia, got me from 10 to 5 with 1 loss. I didnt face a single pirate warrior nor agro druid, so I guess that helped.
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>>176292235
Post dick
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>>176292152
> anyone got a decent list?
No, because exodia mage is crap. Play a control mage like this if you wanna win: http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/818198-1-legend-psyguenters-control-mage-medivh-alex
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>cut Flare from hunter deck
>still beat mages all the time
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>>176292281
http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/deck-library/mage-decks/secret-mage/
I like aggro mage too
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>>176290090
>win 3 games with priest or warlock
>reroll
>win 5 games with priest or warlock
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>>176292281
2 wyrm, 2 arcanologist, 2 apprentice, 2 frostbolt, 2 glyph, 1 mirror/counter/bender/block, 2 kirin tor, 2 fireball, 2 firelands portal, 2 valet, 2 big boobs cost less with secrets slut, 2 arcane intelect, 2 kabal courier, thalnos, medivh
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>>176292506
You can't escape fate.
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>>176292540
>medivh
in a secret mage?
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>world champion is THIS consistent
>the narrative of hs having no skill is being absolutely broken
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>>176292628
It's a midrange approach I guess. Worked for me, which is not saying much.
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how do i get a qt chinese hs gf
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>>176292670
When the game is more RNG dependent on ever before

The only RNG in the past was damage numbers and juggles

But now it is Discover, Random Card and Spell draws.

Getting a second iceblock, or a usable card from a discover spell or minion decides games all on its own
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>>176292747
>gf
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Are there any decks that run Kazakus in some form?

He was around for a single expansion and then completely died off. Typical, yet I'm still curious.
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>>176292884
see >>176284404
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>>176292815
can we kill this meme already? she doesnt look like a guy
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>>176292747

>tfw no supple chinese bf to play hs with
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