/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>It gestures at your feet.
>You rise through the ceiling.

Took 40 recalls or so to find the Questing Beast. Taking bets on how long to find both Wutugu and Mulu. 50? 70? 100? 150? 250?

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remember to do your best today

>>176079049
>playing archer
>all your best arrows were still on the ground around that unique's feet

>tfw could be playing roguelikes but stuck in a family function

What's the equivalent roguelike feel?

Being trapped in Pan, scumming for all its runes, when you could've just ascended already?

>>176079072

Why would you want to kill the trash uniques without escorts

>>176078916

>not posting my win
fuck you faggot

>>176079072
may be easier to spawn them in an ambush though not really sure

>>176079178
when you're trying to have a nice private chat with Hermes and he calls for his famalam to gangbang you

>>176079143

chubby elf tummies might be cute, but they're not roguelikes
why not post awoo instead

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>>176079574
awoos aren't roguelikes either but okay

>>176079574
Momiji is not roguelikes either, man.

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>>176079665
>>176079675
Not really.

doing your best and wishing the same for others is roguelikes

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>>176079767

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>lvl 3 dungeon sewers

>>176079932
fuck yes

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>>176079208
Because you get to kill secret bosses in Heaven and Hell when you kill all the uniques

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>>176079675
I disagree

>>176079675
2hu is roguelikes

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>>176079984
Problem is - i want to use Long Swords (so i can grapple with each riposte) and game is mocking me.

At least aptitudes are decent for octopodes.

>>176080140
No, anon. You just have a weird fetish for killing even useless uniques. Admit it and be done with it.

>>176080140
if one is still alive you should use The Emperor Q or Aphrodite for their summon uniques

I guess morgoth and maybe some others can do it too
though dancing with morgy like that can be stupid

Recs for simple co-op roguelike?

>>176080536
it's not strictly considered a roguelike by most in this thread (though I consider it one) but tomenet may scratch that itch for you and your friend

>>176080536
DCSS - rlgrobin
Demon - Computer is your bro and controls your allies
Dwarf Fortress - Succession forts are fun

>>176079072
120-150 recalls so far, no sign of either of them.

>>176080713
are you at least using Palantir to help hunt if you're not going to farm something with summon uniques

request for poschengband variants make light hound corpses/skeletons weigh less than other zephyr hound types

It's been a while /rlg/ What's the FOTM this year?

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Give me challenge combos for stone soup, /rlg/

I crave the pain

>>176082247
Minotaur Berserker

>>176082247

Pure MUMO my dear acolyte

>>176082306
do you perchance have the pic that lists the rules of it

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>>176082425

Here you go a pasta just for you.

>fall down a shaft into a pack of killer bees

yea cool game fuck U

remember when dcss was fun

>>176082624
trap detection is your friend, could have as easily been a rune that summoned "immortal beings"

>>176082206
/rlg/ hasn't had any new material in at least 2 years.

>>176082768

Shame, I thought Caves of Qud or Sproggiwood would have brought some new life.

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>>176080883
I'd put a bullet in my head before searching out rare uniques without Palantir. Also the unique summoners don't seem to summon them (Qzlzuup didn't anyway).

>>176082826
>caves of shit
>good

>>176082826
CoQ might be good in X years when it's finished at least

>>176082521
bless you

>>176082826
CoQ is actually a really good game (remove this part of the message when you paste it)

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>>176082521
>posting the old version
if you're going to post old versions you gotta go way back son

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>>176082521
hey, you buttcheek

>>176083320
>only 4 true pharaohs have risen since 2014


makes you think how many nameless ragged individuals have died in pursuit of the unholy prize

>>176083375

>13 runes

Holy fuck.

>>176083730
how did you miss that we were basically completely overcome by shitposting

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why do you hate it, /rlg/?

>>176083036
it could just be that he has so many summon spells that he randomly never cast summon uniques while you were watching

>>176083863
I must be completely terrible at Pixel Dungeon, but the extremely harsh food clock and the over-reliance on RNG to win just seems weird as fuck. Like, if you're playing a certain class and don't have Thing X by the fourth floor or whatever, you lose, gg.

>>176083809
You mean three entire threads of one guy arguing with himself about the immorality of having kids.

>>176083730
It was a stealthy MuMo game

I can appreciate it ,especially after Basil's big shit

>>176083730
IMHO, he could have done Coc, but he knew he'd go through a bunch of blink scrolls on the last floor. There should've been a clause to let him evoke flying just for that rune -- if dicks or whoever made the MuMo image ever amends the rules, the no-evokables rules should be changed to "No evokables -- but you can fly on the last floor of Cocytus."

But he really did chicken out of Gehenna.

Still, the fact that he did Dis and Tartarus was fucking beautiful. One of the highlights of the past few months.

what do you do in the midgame in pcb ?

Where do you go to find good gear or shit like that

Anybody know if the steam version of ADOM is any good?

>>176084307
the log for Dis was beautiful

>>176084346
depends...get into Arena as soon as possible to jumpstart late drops, and some quests (especially Cloning Pits and Old Castle) have a set of class-specific reward possibilities, though you may not get the good one. But again those are not necessarily easy quests, especially the latter.

Lonely Mountain 39 is an okay spot to farm stat potions and dragons, or better yet 40 if you can handle Smaug since stat potions are native to 40. Still best to transition to a high dungeon especially Arena ASAP.

>>176084346
>Where do you go to find good gear or shit like that

1. find a place with dragons/wyrms
2. kill dragons/wyrms

>>176084063
Yeah I don't understand that, morality is a spook anyway

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>>176083965
No, he summoned Morgoth+Wong, I think it has something to do with the summon uniques code where they won't be low level uniques no matter what, same as how the Serpent does it.

I mean, maybe some enemy around level 15 has summon monsters as a spell, and that would work...? Otherwise it's back to recalling once I take out a few remaining ones.

>>176084803

>A Plain Gold Ring

>>176084803
i really wonder whether trolling for a humanoids ambush in the right level wilderness would be faster but idk

>>176084307
Some Geh ends are sealed off by a moat of lava, and perhaps a single tile for the rune itself.

>>176084909
yeah PGR possibly the hardest monster in the entire game

>>176084009
how many runs have you played? the first 5 levels are just that, you either find a weapon that will be good for the next few dungeons, ghost gives you uber armor or find a flask and keep it always maxed
if you die, one of your 'important' items will be in a corpse in the dungeon you died. Playing the same class over and over is highly rewarded imo

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It's kind of like getting a +10 speed ring.

>>176085135
mumo faces the challenge head on, he doesn't pussy out when he thinks he can't do it
15 runes was within his grasp, especially since he was able to scum pan/abyss for shit tons of tele without risk

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Every time.

>>176087601
>scumming is ok on a mumo

But that's wrong. You're wrong. Scumming is what weak players do when they can't win any other way.

>>176088150
there is honor in the noble art of the scum

>>176088150
so why didn't he get the coc rune then
he was literally right there on coc:7
why didn't he dive gehenna when he didn't even see if the rune was blocked by lava

>>176088150
I don't see how one can finish Cocy without a bunch of blinking scrolls on hand

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>!New Life and !Self Knowledge in the same vault
>up from 93 to 112, and with decent caps so i can max my melee stats
That's so much better.

>>176088450
coc:7 has -tele. You're not getting to/away from that island unless you burn 7+ tele/blink scrolls. And who knows what it would take to kite out god knows how many ice fiends.

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>see someone shill Pixel Dungeon here
>try it for the first time
>no pasta
>no one even play it here
>can't even see keyboard command
>no help.txt, keyconfig.txt or anything
>can't see minimap, hunger status
>check review : this game is as hard as my abs, this game is too hard
>d:3
>hungry
>doesn't even have food ration anymore
>drink potion
>you burned to death...

>mobile roguelike
>good

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Only Di left to fill and Nether to double cover now.
Will probably need an elemental immunity or two though since I get 9 blows a round.

>>176084803
those two guys miiiight only spawn in stronghold

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Unicorn couldn't git gud.

what if you're a mumo and got stuck in the coc:7 rune island without and form of tele or flying
is it possible to press 5 until a demon shows up with a scroll in their inventory or does the game become unwinnable

>>176090994
just confuse urself and scramble across

>>176091157
this isn't nethack
one doesn't simply confuse themselves

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The rare Mulu finally makes his appearance. Two more left. Tomorrow.

>>176090856
unicorn doesn't have to git gud, it already IS good

controlled bloat is still in the game? can't believe they haven't removed this scummy nobrainer spell yet

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>level 8 spell is a nobrainer

can gnolls cast level 8-9 spells

>>176093315
gnolls can still reach 27 in all skills given an infinite time to grind

it just takes ~3x more xp than a normal race

Who's your favourite nonstandard god? Mine's qazlal

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>tfw 6 str gnoll

>>176095307
switch to chei
problem solved

>>176082826
I've easily posted a hundred CoQ screenshots in these threads over the last two years, but even I get tired
Now is the reign of UrW
(Again)

>>176083047
>>176083078
>>176083292
is it the fact it costs money? you never seem TOMEposting or anything else

>>176095481
Does glotrot still ruin runs in CoQ?

>>176095718
It's not finished

>>176095718
I actually like caves of shit I was just shitposting
The blue tint of the paid version looks like trash though

>>176095809
Neither is Dwarf Fortress or crawl (technically) but it's still full of content

>>176095879
No it's like if Crawl if you could pick up runes but zot never opened because the game isn't finished

>>176095780
glotrot is a spoily newbie trap

you can avoid most/all of the danger if you
a.) buy the corpus cholys in advance from the mushroom village guy so you have the cure recipe, or
b.) just carry some fuckin honey around and occasionally sip on it as you descend through golgotha

>>176079675

educate and tummy slash yourself

rip sorcerer

didn't notice my telepathy buff had expired
shift-moved down a corridor
Brand says "hi how would you like your darkness storm today"

>>176094216
Ru is a sweet god once you get rolling with sacrifices. Good bonuses, not much thinking involved.

>>176096387
Nah, man. Just nah. I am objectively in the right of this argument.

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>>176096510
i even resisted darkness for all the good that did

>>176094216
Oka is pretty underrated.

>>176094216
Hep is tons of fun.

>>176096669
Pssh, Okawaru is as standard as it gets.

>>176096641
good effort

but please play another class for your own sanity

>>176097073
this was my first sorc in a while anon
i just picked it up because i saw the other anon playing it

>>176096641
>239 hp

>>176097201
as a level 33 patient hades demigod with 18/100 con

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alright time to try being a sorcerer in a DIFFERENT game

>find storm dragon armour on d1
>get clobbered by two ogres on d3
GAME PLS

>>176097258
grey mage is like sorcerer but much stronger, slightly fewer realms though

>>176098672
>The ogre shouts, "You die"!

>>176098672
what combo were you playing

>>176096201
Way way back it didn't have a cure. Nice to know it was added.

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man how does anyone splat after lair

>>176100607
Pride and greed.

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Oh no.

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give me a stonesoup build bois.

>Year two thousand and 7 teens
>DCSS is still the only good roguelike

Simply e p i c. love having no choice to play anything else. love it, can't get enough thx god haha

>>176101452
gnoll mumo
literally fucking impossible

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first tome2 death

>>176101146
how did you even get maximum CON

>>176101146
i don't get it
where's your player glyph

>>176101908
Based on monster positions from the list, he seems to be the X.

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ASSGUTTERED using ancient aralgeean techniques

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seriously why are all the floor tiles invisible/blank

is this a bug or an option or what

>>176100607
He plays for low turncount on a notgofast race. His tab key is worn from the frantic mashing.

>>176102701
I thought he played for low timer because his turncounts suck from o-tabbing

>>176102745
He goes for lower turncount without resorting to diving and breadswinging. Atleast thus far. Low timer would be pretty dumb, although he manages to win pretty fast.

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That was a little close.

>>176101813
18/91 Base CON
+3 CON from RCP
+12 CON from equipment

>>176101908
>>176102068
Yes, I'm the X.

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CAN'T TIESEL THE DIESEL

>>176103078
Huh, I'd forgotten Xorns were a thing.

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>fear and mesm
I honestly didn't even think this could happen.

>>176104341
looks like a good time to tele

>>176102572
any troubleshooting tips here?
i want to play the game but this invisible-floor-tiles shit is really annoying

>>176101703
hahaha

>>176083454
Wonder no more! We did the calculations some weeks ago.
Roughly 6500.
5000 of which were me.

>>176104482
I'm an Ant. What a fucking nightmare this is though. I got jumped by a wind drake and like 5 merfolk with +5 trident/spears of venom. What a shithole.

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this is fine

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this is also fine

>>176104341
>hellcrawl

>>176104621
mumo literally isn't that difficult though

>>176105069
Its fun. That was probably the most stressful shoals rune I've ever hard, even worse than loremaster. Stairs are truly your greatest ally.

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>>176105254
Sure don't miss stairs. Nope.

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okay I guess angels are a lot harder to hit than pretty much everything

lesson learned

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not a bad record

even tittycrusher splats

I bet he splats a lot of the same ways I do

>>176105415
Seraph is pretty nasty. You should have just ninja'd, if you had the blinks. Rune vault is a few steps behind that TSO altar, along with pan portals.

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i don't know what i was expecting

>>176105368
>lvl 16
>v:1
?

>>176105415
Angel pan layout is one of the worst, thank god its optional

>>176105604
I bet you didnt clear lair and orc and depths

>>176105668
>depths

why the fuck would you hoard acq until you're almost done with the game?

>>176105770
I meant dungeon, but depths isnt bad to clear like that aswell
Because acq has a shitty algorithm on how it gifts items

>>176105559
I had no blinks. I had none. Couldn't cast because troll. Was gonna go chei if I ever found necronom, but never did. I could have spammed tele until I ended up somewhere safe and RUK'd my way through but I was already spending a lot of time in pan and getting frustrated by the limitations of tab with troll skill levels.

I guess I also did not expect Seraph and crew to be so much more diesel than the pan lord groups that I was tearing through even while soaking up the occasional torments and hellfires.

I guess now I have a clear benchmark for how much it is not a good idea to try to go beastmode on seraph, I couldn't even kill his adds for more health

>>176105415
i thought dying after lair is impossible

>>176105907
When you tab into angels and seraph, anything is possible..
Also notice the amount of ! when seraph hits her

>>176105907
I did say that but I've also splatted more promising characters in Holy Pan than anywhere else. Even more often than Zigg.

>>176105989
holy pan is a menace. beware the deceptive hp of self healing enemies

>>176105953
Yeah I'm definitely not very good at the playstyle, it kind of gives me a lot of eyestrain. I'll probably play more slow games and casters/stabbers than anything else for a while.

>>176106035
It used to mainly be because I'd take 150 damage at a time from Silver Stars after drifting through pan for a while, though at least one time I also bit it from pearl dragon breath hoping to get that sweet hide.

>>176106238
>that feel when you kill a pearl dragon for the hide but you're playing an older version so you have to butcher the corpse but you forgot you're worshipping tso so you can't desecrate holy remains but you didn't pay attention to the warning so now you're under penance and you can't gain any piety because there are no demons or undead in holy pan so you die to durably summoned devas after you're low hp from fighting a pearl dragon
it's a highly specific kind of feel
but it know it too well

>>176106465
>tfw you dont even get the hide

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>>176105668
So hellcrawl removes lair entirely, and really only gives you 1 lair branch. On top of that, branches are only 3 floors. Its a nonstop nightmare of fighting. I don't even know what to do here. Do I just go depths and soak xp? I lose a rune if I do that, but I will probably die trying to snag it. I have almost no consumables from shoals, and JUST now got my laj. This is insanity.

>>176105879
Seraph has more HP than a panlord, but less than the unique panlords. He is pretty easy to burst down with the right tools, but gofast troll amusingly struggles with that. His summons are no joke.

What's one good thing that the devil's team has added since 0.18?

>>176106645
Why using lajatang instead of axes? And why is your ev so low?

>>176106716
How slime walls work when you kill the royal jelly

>>176106465
i enjoyed reading this very painful feel. thx4share

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>>176106716
Wutang. Gnolls. Lvl 2 poison spell. Infestation. I'm warming up to the wand reworks as well, since the hex wands work with such low evocations. It makes actual hexes look like a joke.

>>176106749
I'm a big fan of ants with staves, but I was also kind of messing around with this guy to see hellcrawl. I also really suck with axes. I had to pivot from staves to polearms to make sure I had a good weapon, which ate some exp that would have gone to dodging. The laj only came last floor; very bittersweet. Keep in mind that I'm XL 17. In normal crawl, I'd literally be 10 levels higher when trying this out.

>>176106856
i did it 4 u

>>176107031
>ants with staves
even for you that's a new low
you can get an eveningstar for literally 1 base damage less, ants are not supposed to give a fuck about the skill exp cost, you're supposed to go hard into melee skills, not conserve your skill points for magic and shit

>>176079143
what is source on chub elf please

>>176107180
I've done it with great success before but I agree that I should not have done it in hellcrawl. I actually found an eveningstar in shoals, but I was locked into polearms at that point. My nonsense skill tactics don't work at all when I can't get extra exp and abuse staircases.

>>176107265
elf san wa yasarenai

>>176107180
Do Fo get some special advantage to using 1h weapons instead of 2h?

>>176107320
fuck lajatangs
ants are dreamers don't you ever forget it
when you play a fo you play for the DREAM of using a big ass exec axe and a triple crossbow, you don't compromise and settle for anything other than maximum power mode. and if you only get it after completing 90% of the game, well that's just the price you have to pay for pursuing perfection

Is Hellcrawl the DoomRL of fantasy Angbandlikes?

>>176107397
no, which is why they shouldn't use lajatangs when actual two handed weapons exist

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lets just try and get back in our comfort zone instead of all this high pressure stuff

t a k e i t e a s y

>>176107406
>implying I don't want to only invest 14 staves and 9 shields so I can get a ton of other stupid shit going
The last ant did dream big though. He went chei and shatter/glaciated in GDA. Great fun.

>>176107465
16 base damage is respectable.

>>176107465
Great mace is only 1 base damage more than laj and takes 6 more skill for mindelay. Triple sword 10 more to mindelay, and I suspect that riposte is shit with shields since block is before dodge. And ex axe is a whopping 12 extra skill to mindelay.

>>176107363
spasibo tovarisch

>>176107641
>>176107684
get a real man's weapon you punks
high skill = higher base damage multipler + naturally high fo str = recipe for success

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hmm gnolls

>shitting on folaj
Thread fulla baddies.

>>176107886
folaj is a shit
you're trading your dank late game potential and your race's best selling point for some tacticool early game getting to mindelay faster

Why would you ever play a caster over a MiBe or TrMo?
Those are literally the most powerful combos and they can handle anything the game throws at you with easy. Why limit yourself by playing squishy mages?

>>176107846
But low skill and naturally high str lends itself to the hybrid bullshit that I love so much. Where is the fun in tabbing when I could instead be tabbing with a spectral weapon, 2 mana vipers with regen up? All for the low cost of using a medium armour and a mariginally less useful weapon. An even funnier side effect of going 14 staves is that you can get a sacred scourge for extremely cheap if you want it. Literally cannot stop using the cheapest min delay possible.

>>176108063
>sacred scourge
my love for sacred scourges is great, but as a formicid if you're not using a +9 exec axe of holy wrath at 27 skill by the time you're doing pan and hells, you're simply incorrectly having fun with the game

>>176108046
honestly lajatangs are shit and the only reason to train staves is to get them to exactly 12 for evoker staff mindelay and then train fighting/evo/element for damage. evoker staff+buckler shits all over lajatang any day of the week.

>>176108159
Like I said, that ant was shatter glaciating in GDA with 1% fail instead of swinging a huge stick. My definition of fun and dreams is simply different. I even fucked around with that guy and got 27 invo/evo and borg's. IIRC, I spent all the exp I would have used on weapons in the midgame on poison spells instead. It was a great time.

>>176108307
>borg's
why are you learning a spell that should never be cast

>>176108381
The same reason I got 27 invo. For kicks.

>>176107180
>using 1h weapons on Fo
What is this madness

>>176108545
i know right
these laj fags are absolutely insane

Only one who should use a lajatang is a small race like Sp

>>176105527
literally who

>>176108816
He is a really decent player who used to post here.

>>176107882
there are literally races with +4 aptitude in certain skills that stay +4 all the way to level 27
really fucking makes you think

>>176108910
What's the point of playing Gnolls over Humans again?

>>176108910
there is only one race with a 4+ aptitude that isn't stealth and that is merfolk

>>176109191
They're more fun because you can hard pivot to take whatever the fuck you want.

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BEHOLD THE MALEDICT
BEWARE HIS POWER

>>176109259
but actually getting mindelay for most weapons requires going well into -5 apt territory to it's actually harder than regular races to get mindelay on a second weapon

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haha holy shit

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This is actually one of my old favorite combos, back from the days when sludge elves were still around and torment was a spell you could cast and demonspawns would mutations that let them hurl bolts of draining sometimes. Main reason I stopped playing HE was because it wasn't SE. They said they removed SE because it was too much like Merfolk, but that's bullshit.

All teasing of COBRA aside though, air magic is really solid and one of the most fun books to start with because of multizaps.

>>176109410
A normal race won't be grabbing nearly the same amount of utility spells while maintaining solid defenses and melee. Gnolls literally do everything, and you just have to deal with investing to 14 for min delay. It sucks, but that is the cost of having all the spells. They're much worse with the shitty -9 nerf though.

>>176109625
solid defense requires getting more than 10 dodging and 10 armour
getting level 3 utility spells is easy on any race that isn't wearing massively heavy armour with low str
gnolls are below average in my book

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First time being level 50 in like a year.

>>176109625
Unless they worship Ash. The huge amount of overlap with ashenzari while also being basically worse in every way than a human worshiping ash regardless of god choice is a really stupid design decision. Pretty much all you can do is worship Ru while sniffing treasure and trying to ninja around without being able to cast shatter effectively in a game where controlled blink is also removed as a spell.

>>176109745
25/25/9 is easily obtainable and will serve just fine in a 3 rune since you also hit 200 HP at 27 with like 14 fighting. The thing about the utility spells is that you have them before lair, and never stop picking up more outside of your initial schools. You just pick whatever shows up with no regard to how it'll affect your development. You can also do stuff like train SB to 8 just because you got a shortblade of venom, and drop them completely once in lair to grab a real weapon with no consequences. No other character would dream of pulling the shit that gnolls can do. Exp just stops mattering.

>>176109964
I will say that Ashen is basically mandatory if you want to spellcast your way to victory with anything higher than a level 5. Gnolls really want to use a staff of wiz, or rings of wiz. Maybe vehumet would be an ok choice, but I've only won the one who went summoning. I don't really want to play them now that they go to -9.

>>176108061
Most experienced players find those combos just too boring/easy.
The extra challenge and need for more careful play is what keeps it interesting. MiBe is just mindlessly tabbing.
Get gud.

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By the dim light of his unlucky coin, the maledict reaches the bottom of the mount Olympus, in search of Hades, the guardian of the clothes of infinite power.

When suddenly Hades appears and summons his Mother!
But the maledict is undeterred.
Hades roars and unleashes the most sinisters nether winds!
But the maledict is undeterred.
Hades summons Death itself!
But the maledict is undeterred!

Calling upon the ancient powers of tab, the wizard conjures the sacred *healing* and casts his foe into the Twilight realm!

>>176110205
your mother is easily obtainable if i make enough sacrifices in other areas of my character, that doesn't mean it's in any way an efficient deal. the fact that gnolls can get some nice crutches like training slings to 6 because you found a sling at d:1 is nice but it exp starts mattering real fucking quick, on the whole the race is ev-

>>176110374
I can assure you that exp really doesn't matter after lair or so. You just shower it into stupid shit after getting min delay and your other stuff to -6 or whatever and let your crutches carry hard.

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Man if you told me actually reaching those goddamn clothes would have been harder than getting them I wouldn't have believed you.

Summoning something like 30 hounds of tindalos should be outlawed

>>176110224
MiBe and TrMo are really only good if you're going for 3 rune ez gaem win. Even then Deep Dwarf kind of shits all over them in a lot of contexts. If you wanted to actually get winrate or survive you might as well just pick Tm every single time because Tm gives you a book that gives you the entire toolset for clearing D and L, and if you have any idea what you're doing you might as well say blade hands carries you through O, E, and V, basically far enough that you can just look at what tools spawned and then decide your strategy after the fact instead of ever having to be at the mercy of the RNG giving you a good enough weapon or armor or shield or the right pips. Training transmutations also makes it far more likely that you'll find a book of transfigurations or the necronomicon which literally lets you just cast the pips you need.

So if you want to go fast pick DD, and if you want winrate or to win a challenge race like Op or Fe or literally anything that can actually use Transmutations and punching, just pick Tm. There is no reason to pick anything else. Even if you want to be a spriggan stabber you'll probably be better off casting free EV and Dex and Venom brand than trying all that stupid sleep magic shit.

>>176110696
What's the secret to TrMo? I've always struggled getting even a single rune with them

>>176109193
ok +3
or +2
or +1
or +0
or -1, which requires a quarter (1/4 (0.25 (25%))) of the exp after level 12 or 13 or whatever

Posting runs wherein you cheat in this most hallowed of threads should be outlawed.

>Sword of Jihad: renamed to Zealot's Sword.
Okay, I knew DC:SS was being raped by its devs but they're now scared of offending muslims?

>>176110875
I know right
he's even playing PCB-R, the scum

>>176109193
Halfling Slings

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heh

>>176111007
I'm pretty sure snorg just tabs through other monsters or displaces them when he's zerking
I might be wrong though

>>176111136
you are naturally wrong

>>176110824
after about 14 splats, I figured out that the answer was:
>have a shield (so pick fighter instead of Monk like what are you even thinking? trolls can't dodge.)
>make sure you focus on UC and Shield and pretty much never stop, also train fighting, and just turn on whatever else you need like evoc or throw if you find good stuff to use it with
>go find okawaru
>use heroism during every single fight with anything that isn't popcorn for extra SH and Hitrate to make up for your terrible unforgivable aptitudes and train invo so you can finesse when stuff gets scary 10% should be okay
>get lucky and skin some trolls or dragons or get god gifts so you can start focusing on armor too

and that's about it. Just let Oka carry you to your 3 rune win and basically just accept that trolls weren't meant for greater things unless you're willing to hoover up all the XP in the dungeon.

>>176110889
These are low T meganerds who are so effete that they literally become women half the time and get cucked by fat chicks the other half of the time. They've never lifted a weight in their lives. Islam is a religion of bullies of course they're afraid. The only way they wouldn't be scared is if they were Jews in which case they'd still do it except on purpose to rip off the first world by making it weak and apathetic with politically correct bullshit so that they keep buying shit and staring at their phones only repeating dialogue imitated from reddit that gets them approval from other sheep and shills like some sort of orwellian nightmare that's destroying everything good in the world.

>>176111339
Is heroism cheap enough to just spam?

>>176111161

it's a skill.

>>176111624
>meganerds who are so effeminate that they literally become women half the time

Doesn't seem that bad actually.

>>176111735
It sure is. Basically every time you would want to use it the piety you'll get from killing the shit that's too dangerous normally will cover any of your losses. It's cheap enough that you could use it on every single black mamba, spiny frog, and komodo dragon in lair for example.

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>since I'm aggravating, demeter's summons aren't hostile to her anymore
Oh jeez

>>176111761
that's not what effete means.

I remember when wands of teleportation had 45 charges and the devil's team hadn't even considered that someone would carry them around just to zap themselves instead of monsters

I wish I had never posted on those forums at all

How come dragon/troll armour in crawl just magically slides off the monster fully intact once you kill it now?

>>176112429
probably for the same reason you no longer have to carry around a butchering knife

>>176112464
But anyone could make the armour with a spare enchant armour scroll, it's not extra inventory bloat

>>176112553
if you want a game with fun things in it go play Powder or IVAN

>>176112553
Enchanting hides is stupid and you're an idiot if you liked it.

>>176112894
wow you showed me

>>176112894
I M M E R S I O N
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>>176110824
Secret is to get gud and use maces when needed, rest is easy

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Still around 200 chances to get *sharpness*!

What has better chance of stun? Water or winds? It seems wind element is almost unresisted, I never seen anyone resist it actually.

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Oh man, am I thankful for this.
It's too bad one of the major annoyances of nightmare mode is that resting doesn't recharge devices.

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Let's see if I can instakill morgoth with a curse

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Well he was off the table
Wong was a piece of cake with the omnipresent anti-tele though
Also I've found a really horrible thing
If I use dimensional anchoring and then I get my spells blocked I can't stop the spell so I'm stuck chugging *healing* until it clears off since teleport level won't work

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AROUND YAKS
Seriously tho..

>>176118102
nice

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Staff of banishment seems really handy. Literally a staff of mass genocide.

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Uh, wheres my sprite now??

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>>176118839
HELLO?? I cleared the map and saved and quit, i still dont see them

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>>176118959
I cant play like this..

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Even nodens was a chump.
Antitele2good.

>>176119180
Dude, press |.

>>176119465
I cleared cache and it fixed it

Remind me again what are the odds of finding the one ring just by grinding angband 99

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Apparently you just have to kill Sauron!
Woop Woop

>>176120740

Now destroy it

>>176121113
The ring is mine, Sam.

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I'm staring to think if it wouldn't be better to just mundane "nightmares, wear the stone of life and boots of the golem and just go to town.
But I'm having fun and I haven't died yet.

Or better yet, keep stairdancing the serpent and kill him using my mighty curses hoping for death ray

To be fair though that's really rare and it'd do around 10000 damage at best
I can do that in five turns

>>176095780
It's kind of OK, now - the cure is still buggy and always a pain in the ass, but it's actually possible to kind of avoid getting infected if you know what you're doing. Don't step in the water, and let basically nothing touch you at all - I always go down pretty late in my runs, when I have really good ranged firepower to shoot anything dead instantly.

If you're a melee character you're generally fucked, though. Have fun gathering asphalt and some fucking honey or something.

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HAHA
TIME TO STICK A TENTACLE UP YOUR ASS AN TURN YOU INTO GOLD

I did it guys
inb4
>babbys first 3-rune MiBe

https://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/endorz/morgue-endorz-20170507-145201.txt

>>176123310
congrats, I got my first online win a couple of days ago as well

What combo are you trying next?

>>176123310
That turn count and real-time is pretty impressive for a first win.

Game dev here looking for some roguelike idea. What is the perfect roguelike for you?

>>176124360
thx man holding down tab doesn't take a long time
>>176124289
i dont know if i'm ever seriously playing it again. would love a stabber but honestly i can't see myself concentrating hard enough on the game to not splat a dude with less hp than this guy

>>176124581
IVAN materials/spells combined with Stone Soup

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almost splatted
Three gnolls, one with pois on his weapon
got lucky and read a scroll of fear to run away

There are no Vine Stalkers other than player characters in the game, right? Why not?

>>176124945
Id assume those vines are in some lush forests and dungeon is kinda sunless no?

>>176124945
Also no octopodes
And no Hill Orcs (regular orcs, sure, but no hill orcs)
No Deep dwarves
no Formicids (unless you take entropy weavers to be Fo, although entropy weavers lack SeeInv)

It's just weird that the tendency is to 1) create a monster species, 2) create a player race based on a monster species, 3) find that having both a player and monster species feels bloaty, so remove regular versions of the monster species, and 4) eventually remove the last few unique monsters of the monster species.

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Project gnoll proceeding as planned. They're kind of fun, jinx.

>>176125495
There's Octopodes in the depths, right - the crushers?

>>176125495
There was that depths octopode that would throw you for literally retarded amounts of damage
I'm glad that bloat is gone

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>>176125710
Did... did the develz get to them, too?

>>176121218
You are a fool if you think it is truly so.

>>176124581
SIL combat and PCB bloat, but with actual content.

>>176125847
>rat protected vault
>reward is pizza
>you then remember both cheese and pizza were considered bloat and are now left with fruit

>>176126125
MINE!
MINE!
MY PRECIOUS +5 TO DAMAGE DICE!

>>176126515
Oh god, that's awful.

>>176122910
>Op
>no nukes
>no dragon
>no lich
rip

>>176126740
The turncount is pretty low though
I'm guessing the fact he still has Gozag at that point meant it was more for fun

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How do I become a good player

the first step is to stop watching anime (all kinds)

>>176127282
Learn evocations. Mainly evoke feet/evoke squiggles and evoke staircase.

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>>176126515
At least we'll always have this one and the spriggan baker.

>>176122910
>>176126740
>>176127281
Any tips for playing octopode?
I want to play an octopode fighter/zealot. Trog a good god for octo? Or better of with Mahkleb/Oka?

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Thank you apopo

>you cut it in half!
Oh, that. Also probably a multiplier on all damage I guess.

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What the hell kind of god do I worship on this Gnoll? I used to know this, but I haven't played in ages and there's all kinds of weird ones, now. Ash seems like a really great choice, even if I do switch weapons a lot.

>>176128104
>I want to play an octopode fighter/zealot.
Believe me you don't. Play OpTm and use form changes.

The reason DD and Mi are the best Fighters is because aptitudes and defenses. Octopodes have no defenses. We're talking literally dead in one turn, one attack.

>>176128104
I tend to pick that gold guy because you really need decent rings for everything to kick off and you summon jew shops from him.
Transmuters are best because octopode has no armor that melds inside you so youre basically Hydra/Drake/whatever with 8 ring bonuses.

Constriction works with Long Sword counterattack.

Early game is suicidal, pray for decent stuff like an early regen amulet. Levels 6-10 are sink or swim for you.

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>>176128104
The easiest and safest way is OpFi of Dithmenos
The starter shield blocks most early game shit and makes the early levels a breeze
Start with the rapier, immediately begin training stealth until it's at ~7-8, then train shortblades until ~10, trade the rapier for a dagger/shortsword, start enchanting whatever branded shortblade you find on early monsters, draining and venom will take you far, elec is best but kinda rare
Dithmenos kinda makes it trivial, but later when you find Statue Form/your choice of spells I prefer switching to something like Mak

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I didnt expect meteor wand to be non-ball one, fug, I wonder if mister pendragon would be so kind as to ignore my almost dead condition so I can cast healing.

>>176129079
>226 health

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>>176129154
>0% fail healing
I just need to be never double turned and dont suffer damage more than my health, easy!

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And then I just mundane'd the amulet and killed him

It's a great amulet and everything but a 60 K serpent just isn't worth it.

Overall maledicts are incredibly broken. I could heal up for 700 HP for free, had a spell that would give me mana when I ran out, free destruction, speed and slaying just by wearing permacursed items, not to mention the death ray spell that killed gandalf.

I really like them!

>>176129329
Sounds like a balancecrime

>>176129385
The healing spell does scale with the number of cursed items and removes the curse, which just makes permacursed items really really strong, though.

Also yeah, it's an experimental class after all. having retaliation on the bladedance buckler also helped me dish twice the damage all the time whenever someone sneeze at me.

>>176129259
>It breathes.

>>176128801
I'm going to try this, thanks

>>176129612
>it throws ruk
>You stand your ground!

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The one ring can't spawn while you're wearing it, right?
That'd be silly.

>>176129710
With Dith you can stealth through most things and the enemy accuracy penalty + shadow double helps a lot when meleeing dudes
Just don't let yourself get surrounded of course
You can also start pumping points into UC when you find Statue Form if you wish, as a shorblade doesn't do much damage outside of stealth assuming no elec against late game shit
I'd switch to Mak as soon as you get it castable, just be careful of tzitzimitls that are summoned to you when under penance, but SF kinda trivializes them
Remember to stack on throwing nets and sacks of spider for easy stabs, works on even extended bosses
The good thing about this strategy is that you are soon left with points to spend on whatever you want, shortblades only take about 10-12 and Op has high stealth aptitude so it's fast to raise too
Remember to raise some dodging/fighting/shield too
Don't be stingy about Shadow Form though it does cost a lot of piety but the invisibility effect kinda trivializes most of the game before finding that trove of randart rings

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>>175934676

A'ght

>>176130134
Or just cast spider form instead of splatting a dozen times before your stabber becomes viable.

>>176128443
>>176128465
I know transmuter is really good but the class has never really clicked with me. I'm going to try a stabber octo first, ùaybe when I get tired of that I'll give Transmuter another shot.

>>176130324
It's already viable at D2
Come on, Octopode's have what, +4 to Stealth and a stealth bonus

>>176130543
Problem with Octo is unless you transmute you will have around 5 to 10 max armor for whole game.
Endgame will eviscerate you with some nasty nuking all around.

>>176130698
>full health
>the ogre hits you with a giant spiked club!!!
>you die...
playing stealth as an Op is literally just rolling the dice until you get snake eyes and restarting 20 times until you don't.

>>176130920
>walk up to enemy who doesn't see you
>know it can kill you in one hit
>it kills you in one hit

wtf how did this happen

>>176130713
you also have below average health, and stealth works a lot better when it's attached to some sort of hybrid with spread out defenses.

What happened to CDDA-posting? Is it just rare?

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Spook

>>176131314
I got bored of it a long time ago and after not playing it for a year the game is still boring

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Holy shit, this stick right there is so good, turns ancient durrgins into nothing, I wonder if it would work just as good on wyrms of hell.

>>176130987
on the exact turn you move beside literally any enemy it has a chance of waking up, compound this with the fact that every enemy in LOS has the same chance and that the game likes to pile unfair odds on you as an inevitability rather than a possibility

no matter how stealthy you are that centaur still has a chance of waking up the exact moment that you walk into LOS

so rather than just say "I'll be so good at stealth that nothing ever sees me lol safe" what you do is have layers of AC, EV, SH, and Stealth, so that when you inevitable critically fail your stealth roll, or your 40 ev dodge roll, or your 40 str dex blade hands roll 1 damage that gets negated, or your AC spontaneously reduces 0 damage, or your 50 SH Towershield just happens to completely fail, you'll have another roll there, or two, or three, to give you a safety net so that you don't get completely assguttered.

The thing with Op of course, is that almost anything can assgutter your incredibly squishy, armorless, low Health octobod, and it takes literally one turn of seeing a centaur and then not instantly killing it with your wand or whatever to end up completely fucked.

>>176131474
I haven't played it in forever, damn..
It seems it's still updating though, which is cool

I wish there were more games allowing a realistic/"realistic" simulation of high-tech military equipment and destruction of the environment and stuff. Also, I can count on one hand the games that have realistic/"unbalanced" rules on firearms and explosions. I guess what I really want, is simulations. Hm.
But then again I'm a DF devotee

>>176131776
Play Aurora, I love DF and it scratches the same itch

>find three bazaars in a single game
>2 of them with silent timers

what the hell

you can't even tell me that this is just RNG

what's better, a vampiric executioner's axe or an executioner's axe of freezing?

Is there any way to know approximate damage from enemy breaths\spells is poschengband? Like maybe there is some formual tied to their level or some shit.

>>176131896
Holy crap, thanks! Didn't know about this, and it seems pretty much up my alley!

>>176132382
Vampiric until extended

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Well, I was gonna try to get a warper off the ground real quick, and ask for some general tips, but then this happened in all one turn. Pretty good start.

>>176132382
keep both, IMO

vamp is good for everything natural, freezing is good for various hotheads (Orbs of Fire, rakshasas, etc.). heck, you can use freezing to fuck up Zot's draconians, although you might find vamp better defensively

>>176132883
I mean, you might live.

But it's a good reminder that Stealth is underrated. Even a pip or two can give you the power to walk away from game-ending enemies.

>>176131486
>power: 180
It's gonna work on anything, albeit for less time.

>>176132883
I still fail to understand how people see sigmund as a threat.
He's freexp even for a MuMo.

>>176132665
You'll probably get raped by aliens and fail to make your first dozen spaceships but if you stick it out the game is really deep

>>176133565
>t. Edmund

>>176133565
sigmund wasnt the issue. it was that I opened a door and was immediately unable to do anything but stumble. No pots, etc. I was dead before I regained control of my character.

>>176133265
I will bear that in mind for next time.

>>176133601
Sounds like Tales In Tainted Space to me

>>176133624
Edmund is actually a lot more of a threat as a MuMo, so maybe.

>Immortal Redneck is a FPS set in Egypt with rogue-lite elements. Frantic gameplay, twitch controls and an arcade-style feel meet randomly generated dungeons, a complete skill tree, permanent death and 9 classes with different traits.

What exactly are roguelite elements

>>176133681
>it was that I opened a door and was immediately unable to do anything but stumble.
You should have stayed completely still, waited in place and waited for the gecko to gain on sigmund and stopping his LoF, wait four or five turns until the confusion would die out and bring your new friend upstairs while still blocking his line of fire.
But that's a bit more advanced than otab, you'll learn it later on.

>>176133836
A meme

>>176133836
random generation and permadeath usually

>>176133841
hush ok I usually play wizards not tabbers, no bully.

That is a really good strategy though, and a good point, I didn't think of that at all. I'm sure part of it was just that I assumed I was fucked, so I stopped thinking. Thanks for the advice regardless.

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>>176134062
you're welcome

>>176133841
sigmund spawns with a scythe fucking retard