/fog/ - Fallout General

T-51b master race reportin'

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Commonwealth + Nuka World

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>>176054578
Daily reminder this is what T-45 fags look like in comparison.

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>>176054454

NEVER EVER!

>>176054612

The Commonwealth + nukaworld map that i saw was the overview one

im still looking for that one, the highways between nuka world and The Commonwealth fits perfectly

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>>176054612
Looking at a real world map, Nuka world would be in one of the two boxed locations.

probably the one closer to Boston since its mentioned one can see the glowing sea of the southeast of Nuka world

>>176054612
>tfw too retarded to realize Far Harbour was actually Bar Harbour, Maine

Neat.

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Fuck, there aren't any good power armor helmets for a MM general.
Everything makes you look like a grunt/lieutenant of the faction rather than the leader.

Best I've seen is the fucking bioshock set.
And it's kinda shit.

>>176054612
is nuka world really that close to the commonwealth? from my impression of the weather system it seems really different from bostons

>>176055636
Its outright stated in at least one note/terminal entry in Nuka World that one can see the Glowing Sea to the southeast.

>>176055718
I'm from the show me state, show me a pic hoss

>>176055967
And I'm from the, "don't ask to be spoonfed" state.

Play the game yourself hoss

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Patrolling the Commonwealth almost makes you wish for a nuclear summer.

>>176054828
I can't tell whether that's an intentionally feminine breastplate or not. I don't remember it being like that on the original APA.

>>176055967
While I don't know what terminal entry specifically anon was talking about, there is one that mentions the rad storms come from just over the horizon

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Employee_tunnels_terminal_entries#Radiation_storms

>The fighting outside has died down a bit and we've barricaded the gates to Kiddie Kingdom. While we were finishing up, a weird storm started to blow in over the horizon to the east. We barely had time to finish up, and when it hit, it hit hard. I've seen all sorts of storms, but this one was different. Almost like a tornado with green lightning arcing through the sky. We all ended up taking shelter where we could, but a few people just got sucked into the vortex and were just gone.

>We were trapped for hours while that crazy storm passed over. It must have picked up the fallout from Boston, because everyone has been sick for weeks now and quite a few have died. Those of us who haven't are... changing. The preparedness videos never said anything about this.

Also
>radtwister confirmed for canon

>>176057397
It's not just the breastplate; the groin and thigh area, and the "gap" look somewhat feminine to me for some odd reason.

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>Scribe haylen will never be a companion
feel bad man.

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>>176058461

Some people recommended me to try Fallout 4, so I bought it and installed it to see what all the hype was about.

Guess what...

The game sucks. I can't believe how you guys jerk off to that filthy piece of crap. The first thing that I noticed was how arcade the game felt... it felt like a dumbed down console game. The shooting feeling felt like crap and really "plastic".

When I play an RPG game, I want it to be immersive and I want it to feel real... not like a shitty console game that had to be dumbed down to please the idiots playing it on console.

The dialogues were empty too. Didn't feel immersive and didn't feel interesting... at all. Now, about the building system, some people might like it, and I think it's ok, but if I want to build houses, I'll just go play Rust orHouse Building Simulator 2017.

Anyways, that was the first Bethesda game I ever played and I was always curious to know what all the hype was about these games. I keep seeing some meme pictures with quotes from Skyrim and Fallout 4, so I thought hey must be good...

I was dead wrong! And I had to lose money to see it, since two hours was too short for me to try the game and get a refund on Steam. I definitely had my lesson... Fallout 4 is nothing else than a crappy console hyped game game like cod or battlefield.

I'll go back to S.T.A.L.K.E.R, which is a real RPG that has a strong modding community and a big replayability.

Hopefully this post helped at least one person to avoid getting tricked by Bethesda and their marketing gimmicks.

Peace.

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>>176058495
>Proctor ingram will never be romanceable

>>176058631
Mate, you're retarded. There are at /least/ 6 Fallout games, more than half of which aren't by Bethesda and that's even ignoring TES. And neither F04 nor any Stalker game are traditional RPGs, I don't know what you're baiting about.

>>176058618
Hot.

>>176058631
>S.T.A.L.K.E.R
>RPG

>>176058743
>>176058495
>ADA will never be romancable

Brotherhood of Steel members got fucked. Not only is the only related romancable companion a filthy synth, you're fucked when it comes to all the BoS ladies and you're fucked when it comes to the loyal tin cans.

>>176058618
>>176058929
AGAIN NEVER EVER

Fucking facepunch fags

>>176059039
Yeah I thought it was ridiculous the only BOS companion gets kicked out halfway into the game.

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>>176058743
>YWN be able to romance Mechanist
kill me

>>176059213
>you'll never make her silver shroud/mechanist fanfics come true

>>176059039
>>176059207
Wait, the BoS kicks Danse out instead of killing him?

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>>176058618
>short pudgy woman with hooves and no hands

>>176059382
It's your choice.

>>176059382
Hard speech check where you can convince Maxson to let Danse go, in exchange he's kicked out of the BoS and will be shot on sight.

>>176058890
>>176058953

Stay mad, casual cunts.

You know exactly what I meant. You can call that style of game however you want...

But changing subject because you know you're wrong and can't show your point, tells us that you simplys fell in a hype trap.

I bet you're pre-ordering every single Bethesda game, because you're a dumb console fanboy felling straight for the artificial hype.

Stay mad.

>>176058631

This is pasta fresh or stale?

>>176059586
Fuck off lad, I hated Fallout 4, I'm just calling you out on saying STALKER is an RPG.

>>176058631
same here , fallout 4 is trash and new vegas/3 aged worse than the stalker series.

Im going to play some call of chernobyl with my boatload of mods like the patrician i am

>>176059586
You're still retarded. It's hard to figure out but unlike /sg/, where all three games could had been a single one, /fog/ is about six different games. Once you figure that out, we can proceed to call F04 a piece of shit only played by the mouth-breathing retards that keep making sure Zenimax isn't bankrupt.

>>176059442
>>176059494
Still pretty weak to even have that option.

>>176059586
man, the stcop weapons mod is much more enjoyable to use than ANY weapon in any fallout game i ever played.

I was really truly relying on fallout 4 to be good, but the fucking tiny map and ridiculous bullet sponge enemies was too much for me to get into.

>>176059936
Why?

Danse was for years, one of the BoS's most loyal soldiers, who even Maxson almost treated as a #2.

While Maxson would want him dead because he is a synth, hes not totally inhuman, and you could leverage that against him to keep Danse alive.

>>176060105
>Why?

Because synths are abominations.

>>176060032
>and ridiculous bullet sponge enemies
Ohh so your problem is that your shit as the time.

>but the fucking tiny map
Its actually larger then STALKER's

Lore-wise, how does the BoS make ends meet? While their cult ideals might appeal to some people I don't remember them being particularly polite or caring enough to attract more volunteers. Do they just bully tribes for food and rely on the oil rig loot? I haven't played Tactics and this might be relevant.

>>176060356
They trade with locals the same as any other groups.

>>176060175
Maxson isn't exactly happy about the whole situation and throws back everything Danse says in his face. The only reason he even agrees to letting Danse live is because you as a soldier are quickly rising in the ranks and are basically his #3 at this point, it's your word he's taking, he doesn't give a shit about Danse.

>>176060240
>Ohh so your problem is that your shit as the time
i was running around with a pistol consistently head shotting super mutants 5 plus times with ease
there was a 2 story house the super mutants were living in with a gas station or store or something across the street
I picked them all off with a higher caliber pistol over the course of 20 minutes
it was boring, not hard

>Its actually larger then STALKER's
But the maps in stalker were still oodles more unique so you did not notice it being smaller, and there was no fast travel so it really felt like it took longer to travel the maps. Who would want to go back to bar or cordon from the zaton area to do something??? It takes nearly an hour

>>176060432
>The only reason he even agrees to letting Danse live is because you as a soldier are quickly rising in the ranks and are basically his #3 at this point, it's your word he's taking, he doesn't give a shit about Danse.

That's just really really dumb.

>>176060425
In exchange for what though? Regular weapons? Just being a middle man seems inefficient to me, especially with the size of the land they have to keep under control.

>>176060356
Which BoS?

Maxson's BoS goes around purging hordes of super mutants, feral ghouls, and raiders, and uses the good will generated by that to attract recruits, and get donations from local farmers.

They also use their vertbirds to protect caravans, earning them big discounts.

>>176060597
Not him, but the BoS does not own land, they don't even really "rule" over anything.

They just go around collecting tech, and purging shit like ferals, super mutants, and raiders

>>176060570
Not really, it's like convincing an asshole to not shoot his loyal pit dog in the face because he doesn't like how it turned out. It'd be difficult, the guy's an asshole, but you could argue to set it free.

>>176060552
>But the maps in stalker were still oodles more unique
>empty forests, swamps, and generic soviet-era bases with a few dumb looking mutants in them
>unique

>>176060824
>Not really

Yeah really. It's really dumb. He doesn't know if Danse is a double-agent or a synth who just found out he was a synth, he knows the entire layout of the Prydwen, he knows locations of BoS outposts, he knows the entire in and out of the East Coast BoS.

Keeping him alive when there's a chance he's working directly for the Institute is insanely retarded and doesn't make a lick of strategic or tactical sense.

>>176059936

You say that if Danse dies, you leave. Maxson has a moment of insight and realizes you're the player character and he can't do shit without you.

>>176061081
Except its brought up in the quest itself that Danse isn't a synth infiltrator, and had no idea he was a synth.

He just happened to e an escaped synth ho found his way into the BoS

>>176061295
>Except its brought up in the quest itself that Danse isn't a synth infiltrator, and had no idea he was a synth.

Except you can't know for sure he's lying or not and neither does Maxon. We're talking about the perspective of Maxon making this decision.

>He just happened to e an escaped synth ho found his way into the BoS

And he happens to be a synth and detriment to the Commonwealth, which leaves the only option of killing him.

>>176061428
>Except you can't know for sure he's lying or no
Except you can because the way they find out Danse is a synth is from The Institute database(which included the database of escaped synths) that you secretly copied without the Institute knowing.

Literally, the eason they know is because of The Institute's own files.

>>176061587
Regardless, he's a synth and the Brotherhood isn't in the business of letting synths live for a reason. It's a really stupid decision and shouldn't have even been in the game.

>>176061295
You have to stand by your principles as a leader.

All synths must be destroyed or it's useless to destroy the insititute. It's objectively proven that they are dangerous pieces of unstable tech.

I mean if you start making exceptions for which synths deserve to live, why even destroy the institute in the first place? You're tacitly implying that the institute's replacement of people with synths is an acceptable practice.

>Nexus is being slow as shit again

>>176061914
Might want to check your internet connection.

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>>176059213
She's so cute. Especially all her drawing and stuff.

I really want to make a house for her at a settlement that's decorated with comic book stuff, and themed around superheros with all the stuff I've collected around the commonwealth and her lair and stuff.

>>176061709
>Regardless, he's a synth and the Brotherhood isn't in the business of letting synths live for a reason.
Except they let Nick live

> You're tacitly implying that the institute's replacement of people with synths is an acceptable practice.
No your not, becuase not all synths are made as replacements. Danse wasn't, Sturges, Magnolia, all the synths in Acradia in Far Harbor, the VAST majority of synths are not made to replace people.

>next Fallout (not 5) set in Montana during winter
>mines & factories
>BOS again
>Rushmore dlc

>>176062225
Second part was meant to be a reply to
>>176061783

>>176062225
You're completely missing the point.

>>176062372
Its hard to not miss the point when you have no real point beyond expecting everyone to be a blind fanatic to everything.

>>176058631

THIS.

/thread.

Most overrated game and series ever.

>>176062237
>Montana
topkek no

Fallout 5 will be set in either
-Seattle
-New Orleans
-Miami
-Chicago
-The Broken Banks
-One of the big Texas cities like Dallas-Ft Worth

>>176062480
BOS should be a blind fanatic to their opinion of synths at the very least. They're a piece of technology that's designed to replace humanity.

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how would one add the "Lover's Embrace" spell to something like a bed? I am trying to sleep with my black settlers like a good slave owner would

>>176062643
>They're a piece of technology that's designed to replace humanity.
Except they aren't you idiot.

Synth replacements only represent the smallest minority of synth production.

Synths are designed to be the ultimate robotic workforce that can adapt to any situation with no human oversight freeing humanity to spend all of their time doing whatever they want instead of having to work.

>>176058631
I've played all the STALKER games and I've played all the Fallout games and I loved them all. I love you. It's okay you don't have to feel angry anymore.

>>176062525
>tfw your /kys/ general was shitposted to oblivion so you have to shitpost all over /vg/ to get a reply
>>176062592
It wouldn't be too bad if they had more spin offs to be honest. They can't actually make a finished game anyway and the DLC world actually feel more focused and better designed. Although they would probably just make cheap cashgrabs.
>>176062775
An entity with fucking consciousness won't be a work slave for long, numbnuts.

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>>176059213
>you will never tell her how amazing all her robot creations are
>how impressive it is for a single person to build this army
>you will never build her confidence as Isabella, not the mechanist
>you will never take her on (safe) missions and roleplay as the shroud as she roleplays as the Mechanist
>you will never sneak into her room on her birthday while she's out and put in magazine racks and put all the million superhero magazines you've found in the commonwealth

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>>176062480
>Its hard to not miss the point when you have no real point beyond expecting everyone to be a blind fanatic to everything.

We're talking about the fucking leader of the Brother of fucking Steel.

>>176062225
Regardless of whether a synth is a replacement or an original slate of a human being, it is still a representative of the Institute's tech, goals, logic etc

if you accept even one confirmed synth to be valid because of muh feelings, then you accept the entire philosophy of creating artificial life that can be controlled by an autistic elite.

What would you have Maxson do? If he allowed Danse to live and serve, who knows when the Institute could activate him as a sleeper cell? Suddenly, you've got a Courser in a full suit of power armour raging havoc on the Prydwen, and what's worse, he appears at first glance to be a friendly. He could probably get to Maxson with ease due to his high rank. The idea that Maxson is somehow wrong to condemn Danse to death is ludicrous.

>>176062924
>An entity with fucking consciousness won't be a work slave for long, numbnuts.
Synths aren't designed to have consciousness, and The Institute has been attempting to remove it from them.

>>176063250
Ripping consciousness from a creation that developed it is not only absolutely barbaric, it shows how little appreciation for life the Institute has. It's no different from performing a lobotomy.

>>176063160
> then you accept the entire philosophy of creating artificial life that can be controlled by an autistic elite.
This isn't how anything works.

Accepting Danse being alive does not mean you accept controlling synths.

Holy fuck, can you straw man harder?

>>176063371
Except The Institute never believed that synths had consciousness, nor can anyone prove they actually do have it due to the whole "Chinese room" argument which makes it impossible to tell if they truly have it, or if they are just really good at faking like they have it

>>176063379
He's saying if you can accept that Danse should be able to live as a synth there's absolutely no reason you can't say the same for every other since.

It's a matter of principle that Maxon should be adhering to, but isn't for some contrived reason.

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>>176062592
>Dallas/Fort Worth meme

As a DFWfag I don't see it happening, everything is spread the fuck out meaning the game world would have to be fuck huge or like New Vegas were towns feel like an themepark MMO because of shit scale.

On top of that there is next to nothing underground, no subways, no basements, Austin has all the cool caves. Can't imagine much interesting wildlife if they hold the idea that everything livestock that wasn't a cow or ram got wiped out during the war. Then again Texas wild boars get fucking huge, eat everything, destroy everything, and one was weighted in at almost 800 pounds and could work as the game's "oh fuck oh shit" monster.

>>176063521
As much as I despise Desdemona, her whole point about how if a machine perfectly imitates human emotions and behaviours to the point where nobody can tell the difference, not even the machine, then it is absolutely inhumane and monstrous to treat them as anything but the equivalent to a human, is absolutely right.

>>176063606
Guy you are responding to here, I live in Austin and can't see it happening here either.

There really isn't all that much interesting to see.

Texas in general isn't that great of a state to set a Fallout game in because, while its huge, its also hilarious spread out, and we have little in the way of national historical landmarks(let alone many in one place) for a game to ape on.

I just listed a Texas game because its seems difficult to imagine that they wouldn't try it at one point, especially since BoS isn't canon, and they would want to firmly write over it

Can someone tell me how I feel about the brotherhood of steel?

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Is the basher perk worth getting in F4? I have no idea how much damage it inflicts.

>>176063886
Pride that someone cares about humanity and it's future.

>>176063886
They're the most fun faction, they get access to all the best toys.

>>176063743
>er whole point about how if a machine perfectly imitates human emotions and behaviours to the point where nobody can tell the difference, not even the machine, then it is absolutely inhumane and monstrous to treat them as anything but the equivalent to a human, is absolutely right.
Not by an scientific standard no.

>>176062592
Talking about where the next Fallout is going to happen is stupid, it's going to be a fucking decade before the next one comes out (if it ever does) because they still have the elder scrolls and the new ips that they're working on before it. people should just get serious about modding fallout 4 to be better

>>176063886
Retarded morons always on the verge of extinction despite their technological prowess.

>>176063980

What exactly is a "scientific standard" here?

>>176063980
>No scientific evidence the machine does or does not have free will

To act like it doesn't is just as moronic as acting it does.

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>>176063980
You can't have science without a moral foundation.

>>176064184
Prove to me synths are conscious.

>>176064395
Prove to me you are conscious and aren't just reacting to your environment.

>>176064395
Prove to me you're conscious and not an artificial intelligence.

What SPECIAL should I put for a melee build for FO4

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r8 my first actual house build

The dining table adn seats around it are going to change once I find a model I like

Roughly 50 hours in my Fallout 4 character, about to be level 50, pretty bored atm. Still have the main story but thats pretty shitty, a few side quests left but they're all the shitty ones. Far harbor is done. About to do Nuka World for the first time and then I think I'm gonna be done for a while.

The worst part is, I still have a lot to explore but it's all shitty stuff. What's the point of exploring some building if it's just going to be a generic dungeon housing a few raiders with no substance? That's like all I have left at this point.

>>176064508
>>176064514
I think therefore I am. Obviously can't prove it to you, but even a machine couldn't prove to itself it has a conscious experience.

If we were having this conversation in person what reasons would you have for doubting my existence?

>>176064590
BEHOLD, the one post-war american that decided to clean his house.

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Trying to decide on whether to use A World of Pain. So anyone have input, or even just a Yay or Nay?

>>176064709
For all I know, you're the creation of my drug-addled mind on a bad trip.

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>>176063829
Maybe around Houston could work, puts it near Galveston/the Gulf/Louisiana, and could feature the superior stone penis monument. The game would need rad-horses though, could be like a post-apocalyptic Red Dead Redemption.

>>176064843
Okay well stop taking drugs.

>>176064898
Fuck off, that's exactly what my consciousness would say.

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>>176064709
>even a machine couldn't prove to itself it has a conscious experience
Why? Can it not say "I think therefore I am"? What is a thought and why can't it have one?

You certainly exist, at least for the sake of my mental health. The question would be how free you are to form your own thoughts. I don't have a fedora large enough to carry this conversation on.

>>176064765
Just don't.

Does anyone have the "women of the wasteland" files for new vegas? They seem to have disappeared off of the nexus.

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>>176064765
would firing that gun kill a deathclaw?

I get that they're scary but if you just blast it in the head wouldn't it die?

How physically resilient are they?

The game is hard to give an accurate idea since I one shot them if stealthed and it takes 20 rounds if I'm not stealthed so I have no idea based on that.

>>176064765
Get the mod that balances shit out and gives a proper MCM menu if you do, I tried it out from a friends recommendation and it adds "M" gear to normal NPCs that are grossly overpowered. It gives one to Joe Cobb at the start so if you help Goodsprings out it becomes a battle of the gods as he takes no damage from your guns and he fails to throw dynamite at you for 10 minutes while all the NPCs die.

The dungeons themselves vary from neat and fitting like a golden gecko infested bunker at the bottom of The Devil's Gullet to stupid shit like a underground highway packed with deathclaws and members of some NCR Weapon-X super squad that needs rescuing.

should I play fallout 3 with the base game or with tale of two wastelands?

>>176065639
Just play the base game. TTW can be a mess to try and get going and the stories should be self-contained in their own areas.

>>176064765
Stay away, not worth the compatibility issues and having your game be bloated by a lot of bad content and a bit of alright stuff

>>176065639
TTW

>>176054650
Retard.

>>176065519
What balance mod is that? The only balance I know of is hidden and listed as 'Obsolete' and the 'Revisions' just removes the powerful 'good guys' and affects that one fight but still not much for balance otherwise.

>>176065832
Do you know of any decent alternatives? I've got stuff like the reborn and population mods but outside those little area is still a pretty barren...

>>176065832
I for one enjoyed trading oom errors for seeing a porta-pottus set to 150% size in friendly super mutant lairs.

>>176066279
Stay bad, powerlet.

>>176055461
Man I don't know if you look like a bitch

but you sure sound like one

>>176066309
>Do you know of any decent alternatives
There are none. You just have to decide where you want to set your standards. It's a slippery slope down to Willow and Niner mods.

>>176065337

The self entitled sjw cunt closed her account

>https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/5518847-nuska-account-closed/#entry49056227

Use Drumber's FCO, she gave him the permission to use it

OCO is still up

>http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/44676/?

>>176065825
>>176065890
People always seems so split on TTW. Some wouldn't play without it, some wouldn't play with it.

Haven't been in here for ages, are there any decent perk overhauls yet?

>>176064098
You are aware that Bethesda Game Studios, the company who makes TES and Fallout, isn't the same as Bethesda Softworks, the company that publishes Id, Arkane, Bethesda Game Studios, Zenimax Online, and Machine Games

BGS has two game franchise.

>>176064351
Except you can, that was the whole point of Old World Blues

>>176066309
NVInteriors with the rewrite fixes

it's not the best thing in the world but it does make the mojave less empty without adding as much shit

>>176067420
They interviewed Todd and asked about whens the next TES game and he claimed "the technology isn't there yet" and that there is two new IPs in development instead. Good chance Bethesda Game Studios is at least making one.

>>176067420
>BGS has two game franchise.
Bethesda has at least one in house new IP in development dumbass.

>>176067632
Todd fucking lies like that all the time becuase he is legally obligated by contract to say they aren't working on anything untl the offically announce it.

Just like Pete Hines constantly denied that the Skyrim DLC was coming to PC, even after the timed exclusivity was up, until they offical announced it.

>>176067632
That was the impression that I had gotten from Todd in that interview as well.

I'm not sure why anyone here or in /tesg/ would have any issue with another IP taking the brunt of the "this is what we learned from the last couple of games, please praise us hardcore fans"

>>176067696

and its their own take on space games, it looks like they want to do their own privateer/Tachyon/Freespace RPG game

>>176067696
There is nothing to support this, all that has been said is that Bethesda(of which there are two, and they never specifically say which one) is working on two new games.

Todd and Pete just play on people's stupidity, and inability to tell BGS and BS apart.

One of the two new games is guarantied to be The New Colossus made by Machine Games, and I wouldn't be surprised if they got fucking Tango Gameworks on Evil Within 2 or some shit

>>176068032
We'll see in a month retard

>>176067990
That kinda sounds like you're saying that it might be possible that we might just get a (space) pirate game of the usual bethesda formula and modding capabilities.

I don't think the world is ready for such a thing.

>>176064573
http://www.levelbased.com/guides/fallout-4/tools/special?build=49.a.4.a

>>176067990

Knowing bethesda, it will be Privateer 2

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET6UEXAmc68

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>we are living in an age where VR sex mods will become reality

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>>176067785
Don't know what to say anon, they put out that image for their E3 shit this year and confirmed that we are seeing two new IPs, all we can do is wait another 36 days or so and see what gets announced by who.

>>176068596
>they put out that image for their E3 shit this year
Which had two Arkane games(dishonroed and Prey) and well as two ID games(Doom and Quake), as well as two Bethesda Game Studios games(Fallout and TES)

I don't care about their new IP I just want NV remastered

>>176068817
I would only want a remastered NV if they fixed all the broken mechanics in it

But that would require remaking the whole game from scratch basically

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>>176068374
>>176067990
>>176068414


If this is true, Then i Demand a Day1CKmod being a Privateer Galaxy ship with a fuckhueg pinup of a naked Almalexia, Lydia and Cass named "we carry your burdens"

>>176068972
>Almalexia
>wanting a naked piss skin on your ship
why?

>>176068749
^This, people seem to forget that Bethesda owns
-Arkane
-Battlecry(the studio)
-Bethesda Game Studios
-Escalation Studios
-Id Software
-MachineGames
-Tango Gameworks
-Zenimax Online

The two new games could be from any one of those studios.

>>176069097

would you want a naked pic of sheogorath with open legs saying cheese for everyone?

>>176069336
I would rather have a pic of someone who isn't a piss skin elf

Try Nocturnal, shes a kinky bitch who disrobes in front of her followers

>>176061081
But chances are he has already alerted the Institute to all of that, if we're assuming he's an infiltrator.

>>176069336
>>176069497
>sexualizing daedric princes
That sounds rather suicidal and also the purview of the sort of insufferable faggot that waifus Meridia and insists she's good and has done nothing wrong.

>>176070281
Nocturnal doesn't care, she is a true neutral in everything.

She has the title of Ur-Dra(the first Daedra) for a reason, and is spoken of as a mediator between the other Daedric Lords and the Aedra

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The Railroad might be shortsighted dummies, but their missions are the most fun/coolest.

>>176069305
Yeah, a lot of people dont seem to realize that Bethesda has their own little mini-empire of companies.

They're like EA.

>>176070387

Also she's voiced by the smut thief herself, Aka Ivy Valentine

>>176070540
EA before they generalized their work as EADICe EAMAXIS and etc

>>176070540
Difference is that I haven't seen an EA game made in the last 5 years that I would honestly want to play, whereas Dishonored, Doom, TES, Fallout, and Wolfenstien, are actually good games.

Even Bethesda's worse games, like Evil Within, are still pretty fun.

The only other publisher with as many interesting franchises right now is Square Enix imo, and thats only because they own Edios, and thus, have Tomb Raider, Hitman, and Deus Ex, all of which were fairly great reboots to classic game series

>>176070540
At least they're not the sort of mustache twirling evil that EA is.

Actually I don't think I've ever heard shit about Bethesda the publisher one way or the other. Aside from maybe half remembering something out of Todd about the publishers pretty much just letting them do what they want.
>>176070775
Is the sequel to the reboot tomb raider still decent? I only played the reboot because i got it for 5 bucks and heard that Sam and Lara were gay as all fuck for each other and enjoyed the game for that whilst not really caring much one way or the other for the actual gameplay.

>>176070991
Rise of the Tomb Raider was pretty fun, its more of the same, but they patched things up, added a few new gameplay mechanics, and generally just made what was there better.

There is also a series of comic books that happen between the first and second game, and, right now, between the second and upcoming third game, that show a bit more about what is going on in the world, and are pretty fun to read.

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Can't install TTW with NMM, Is it normal?

>>176070775

the main reason that they don't want to touch loK is because Amy SJW henning fucked with them

one of the main reasons of why they rebooted Tomb Raider to look like Uncharted

>>176070991
Again the Tomb Raider Reboot is Eidos/CD own attempt to make heir own Uncharted as vengeance for henning screwing with LoK Dark Prophecy

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>>176070991
>>176070775
>>176070639
>>176070540

Is Bethesda, dare I say, /ourcompany/?

>>176062661
Any takers?

>>176071249
As much shit as we give Bethesda Game Studios for doing stupid shit, they are one of the few companies I can think of where each new game actually tries something new, and most of the changes made to gameplay can be directly traced back to frequently made complaints about the past game's gameplay, and what the biggest mods are.

No other game company that I can think of even attempts to pretend to listen to their fans to the same degree.

And they did salvage the failing Id, and rebooted Wolf, Doom, Quake, Fallout, and Prey as relevant game series.

>Playing TTW w/ Vicious Wastes
>Randomly dying for no reason
Dafuq?

Uh, I just scrapped a burning barrel at hangman's and the lighting/shadows are still there. Will they go away if I get far enough away from the cell?

>>176071728
HARDCORE

Did you forget to sleep?

>>176071249
As far as corporations go, the publisher is pretty benign and the studio comes off pretty much consistently as people who do a lot of different things at about an average or better level most of the time in one fucking game, but also seem to not quite know where their audience wants them to aim or when they should have gone much further with a concept.

Like if bethesda just focused on plopping players in a world and making the turning their radiant system into some sort of beastly goliath of a mechanic like the fuckers who made Shadow of Mordor and are making Shadow of War are doing with the Nemesis system and just have radiant quests and their regular ass quests take into account as much as possible that the player has done and hasn't yet done, maybe have a few different setups for their nicely built locations for different shit, and then handed it off to the players to mod into oblivion. They would do rather well.

Also pretty much what >>176071618
said. Honestly the single thing beyond my rant about their radiant system that Bethesda could really do better at is just making all their averagely done systems play together more nicely and to have more perks that are more about changing gameplay and making those systems play together. Like the fucker who did Ordinator for Skyrim managed more or less.

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>>176054454
post concept art that looks way more swank that what was released

>that gladiaraider set in the upper left

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>>176071764
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/15810/?

>>176071895
>It's a failure, better dumb them it in the surface
So fucking retarded

>>176071871
>Like if bethesda just focused on plopping players in a world and making the turning their radiant system into some sort of beastly goliath of a mechanic
They actually tried this in early versions of Skyrim.

If you go back and watch a lot of the pre-relase Skyrim interviews, Todd talks about a new radiant quest system where doing quests would make you friends with certain people, and then other radiant quests would send you to kill those people, and a whole lot of other shit.

While this obviously didn't make it into the game, looking at the game files shows why.

Each radiant quest type has its own specific number in the game files, and there are about 25-30 radiant quests in the game files.

However, the highest number for one of those radiant quests is like 200+, showing the vast majority of them were cut before release.

The likely reason was probably for the same reason most of the rather dynamic original version of Skyrim Civil War was cut, the huge amount of scripting needed ended up creating a cascade of error which made most of it unworkable.

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>>176072120
grrrr. I'm already running more mods than I'd like and I'm only at 30.

Thanks though, hopefully the scrap everything rabbit hole isn't too much deeper.

>>176072284
They dumped them on the surface to give the surfacers something to fight so they couldn't unite against The Institute.

In the long term, its actually a pretty good plan because super mutants are hard to kill, but too stupid to overrun the surface, meaning its an eternal stalemate that gets the surfacers off their backs without having to outright kill them.

best weapon mod-mod for fallout 4?
i enjoyed this one http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/8276/ but people are reporting ctds so i don't want to bother installing it

>>176068374
We already had Freelancer. I'd love a Freelancer with more robust capabilities.

>>176072501
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/9476/?

>>176072402
You only have 30 mods?

Please somebody tell me how to fix the hitching in New Vegas. The stutter remover, set up for maximum stutter removing, still does not do it.

Every 5-10 steps, the game hitches. It gets worse or better depending on the area, but it's always there.

>>176072589
Sounds like you're asking for X3.

>>176071728
did you install the bleeding plugin and not pay attention to your health draining

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>>176072382

>>176072692
I have less then 10

>>176072651
i meant a mod that adds new weapon mods, not just scopes
sorry

>>176072718
God no. I meant a game with slightly more competent gameplay and... everything.

>>176071857
>>176072727
Figured it out. I was so fucked up the Buffout effect was the only thing keeping me alive. And when it went away the endurance loss killed me.

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>>176072692

>>176066406
We are all bitches here, friend.

>>176072857
rip

>>176072862
>craftable ammo mod
>when the DLC already does this

>>176072991
Oh really?
Does it do so well?

>>176072882
alright

let me eat your carpet

>>176072831
But it is "everything, you nigger. It's a robust sandbox game where you can do anything. fak u anon

>>176073091
That'd be nice if it every element in it wasn't fucking terrible, and I say this as a guy who capped #deca. Egosoft are nice people, but pretty much everything in X3 is just as poorly as could possibly be. It's a game that's more nice in theory than it is in execution.

>>176072991
>>176073048
Yeah, I was under the impression it would only do so with heavy investment, and would pull all your shit from the workshop if you weren't there to shut it off. Am I mistaken?

>>176072306
I'm pretty sure Todd had an interview after Fo4 / Fo4's dlc where he talked about the radiant system as something that if he were a modder that he would be modding all the time due to how much room it had to grow. So I think they may have worked out some of the problems.

Let's face it, Bethesda's main quests and shit aren't the greatest and most people play to dick around exploring and radiant quests are one way to kickstart the cycle of behavior (explore, kill, loot, dump everything in town and repeat) that makes up a bethesda game, so making those radiant systems respond more and more to the player's playstyle and general behavior is going to create far more content for the player and generate the sorts of stories that one tells one's friends to get them to buy the games.

Hell I'm pretty sure ripping off the Nemesis system in some form might fit in a tes/fo game.
>>176072589
>>176072831
I've not actually played either game, but asscreed black fag is the one game I've played that is the only decent piratey game I've ever played so I'm kinda curious how those two stack up.

>>176073291
>he's talking about the factory line bullshit
Fuck that.

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>>176072862
>Not even having full dialogue interface
What the fuck

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>>176072692
>You only have 30 mods?

Dude, I have like five, all of which are related to Brotherhood retextures for stuff.

Fallout 4 to me just doesn't feel like it has any real high-quality essential mods. It doesn't help that nearly every mod I look at has +30 unresponded to bug reports.

>>176073390
>piratey
Freelancer's a space game

>>176073453
Anon modding is about fixing shit that's wrong with the game, not adding essentials.
And there is a LOT to fix.

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The great divide between Obsidian land, Bethesda territory, and the great semi-canon midwest.

>>176073442
>Oh man, I'd better know exactly what my character is going to say because my dialog choices have such a huge impact on the outcome of these encounters!

If there's a persuasion check, pick it, otherwise just mash 4 to get through it.

>>176073561
Fixing shit that's wrong with the game by using shit that is also broken doesn't seem like a good idea. For example, the FDI mod is notorious for shitting itself within Nuka World.

>>176073561
>And there is a LOT to fix.
Not really.

Fallout 4 already incorporates most every single major mod from Fallout 3 and NV into its gameplay, including ones that "fixed" the gameplay for most people.

>>176073442
fill dialogue interface is depressing

>>176073626
We don't really know a lot about the northern commonwealth, do we? If the drifter came from all the way there, there must be some safe trade routes.

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>>176073561
The only things that really need fixing in Fo4 are things that can't be fixed, like the writing, and maybe the perk system could use a nice overhaul. Everything else is just expansion, fap fuel, and/or for looks.

>>176074232
Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, and the northern parts of up state New York are filled with forests, lakes, and rivers.

With the decline of mankind's presence in those areas, as well as the geographical changes we see in places set in similar and nearby locations like Point Lookout and Far Harbor, we can pretty safely assume that entire are basically one giant/extended version of that. With only a few small survivalist communities roughing it out in the wilderness.

the rest of Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, and the lower half of New York state are very much like The Commonwealth we see in-game.

>>176073780
Yeah what really needs fixing is the fucking quests and dull environment.

>>176074458
Not him, but I greatly prefer the new perk and leveling system over the old one. It fixes almost all the problems I had with Fallout 3 and NV's ones.

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This lights out mod, is there a trick to load order or something? I downloaded the main file, but none of the objects are casting light and Spring Cleaning isn't working.

>>176074716
I'm not saying that I don't like the new system, just that the details need a work over.

>>176074716
>prefer having all perks being boring % stats instead of having both % stats and fun things

are you retarded?

>>176074682
>and dull environment.
I like the environment over any past Fallout game's.

especially with the improvement on verticality in downtown Boston.

>>176059213
>You will never have her phat autistic mexican lips around your dick as you do Superhero roleplay
>You will never go balls deep in her throat, telling her to watch out for the attacking zetans as you finally unload

>>176074829
>prefer having all perks being boring % stats
Except they aren't that at all.

>instead of having both % stats and fun things
Except most of the non stat related perks in Fo3 and NV were hyper gimmicky bullshit that only ever got used once or twice and were otherwise useless and not fun

>>176074829
>implying that Fo3 and FNV didn't do the exact same thing on top of having a retarded skill system

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>>176072435
Its almost like it represents certain areas of the world right now

the institute are eerily similar to a certain group of people eh?

>>176074716
I would prefer the exact opposite. Let skills deal with the boring stuff and perks be gameplay additions that aren't exactly RPG calculation related. Like, special conversation actions or fun/rp gameplay additions like cannibalism and other actions

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>>176074962
>>176075035
>fo4 babbies actually believe this

>>176054650
>5'11", 6'1"
>don't radio me or my chapter's son ever again
>>176057063
Great expression for that image.

>>176061979
>>176059213
I think it would be cute to set her up with Scott Wollinski (the Mechanist from Canterbury). They are both tech nerds who connect better to machines than people, maybe they could find a connection and make a cute little robot family somewhere, someday?

>>176060356
In general, the Brotherhood of Steel is a disciplined military organization that lives a spartan lifestyle, so they could stretch resources if they need to. Their focus on technology also means they will usually base themselves in pre-war bunkers and facilities which have power and/or water systems, and in general are self-sufficient. Their main weakness is sustainable food sources, which varies depending on where and when they are.

Early BoS in California could get food from scavenging and hunting no problem, and through trade with the fledgling settlements. As the region got more settled, trade would be the primary source of food. After the conflict with NCR this would obviously be harder but considering that is why Veronica is met by the Courier, that seems to be their standard method of food acquisition. Regarding trade, they have plenty of trade commodities, their bases being powered and their technical knowledge means any sort of rare consumer technology would likely come from BoS traders; power cells and batteries, any electronic components, refurbished terminals, fixed radios, anything technical short of weapons and power armor they could have for trade. East Coast probably deals with a mix of these options to acquire resources they need, and in the end if it does come down to it, they could always raid and steal for things they need, although that would be a last-resort option.

I'm going to play through FO3 because it's been years and maybe it wasn't that bad. If I play it linearly.

How's NMM with it?

>>176074829
>Strong Back
>Rooted
>Pain Train
>Awareness
>Night Person
>Sniper
>Penetrator
>Aquaboy
>Cannibal
>Ghoulish
>Solar Powered
>All just +% perks

Riiiggghhhttt

>>176072382
>>176072760
There's something seriously pathetic about being short and e-statting something so obvious as your height.

One glance at any bethesda e3 showcase and I can tell you Todd Howard is about 5'7-5'9 at best. Probably shorter. Why the hell would he report his own height as 6'2? Autism

>>176075225
East and Midwest are a basically different breed. They aren't nearly as strapped for supplies and recruit openly albeit selectively. Western chapters basically Idolize Maxson so it wouldn't surprise if a few have made a pilgrimage cross country to join them in CW. I actually want to make a new BoS companion who did just that.

>>176075325
>e-statting
Did he though? Usually such sites are fan-fueled although that tip-toe thing is pretty low indeed.

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>>176074458
>he's OK with the vanilla balancing for creatures, weapons, power armor, vertibirds, scarcity
>he's OK with the vanilla weapon-modding, armor, companion/faction, settlement, and AI/stealth systems
>he's OK with the lighting
>he's OK with the UI
Inb4
>hurr i just don't play half the game LOL

>>176075097
The problem with that is the need for skills has largely decreased since improvements to game technology have allowed for more direct control over gameplay.

This has resulted in problems like Fallout 3 and NV's skill system where only every 20-25 ranks in any skill actually mattered, since direct player control is so great, there is very little for them to control themselves.

The problem with the obvious solution(just add bigger % bonuses to skills) is that skills are already designed with some sort of balance in mind, and just adding MOAR only makes the game even more unbalanced.

The locigcal solution is to reduce to the range to the point that every point matters, and since only about every 20-25 points mattered, reducing it to a range of 5, where each of the 5 = 20 points of the old system, was the solution.

However, since the "skill" range is now 5, there is no reason to keep it as a separate skill tab in the game menu when many perks use the same range, and one can now just make them perks and achieve the same effect.

At this point, making skills their own separate thing would be like reintroducing classes into TES. IT would be pointless since they don't actually do anything not already done by another system, and would only serve to keep aping D& style RPG design simply because "taht's the way it has always been"

Which is dumb, and which is why they don't do it.

>>176075312
>Iron Fist
>Big Leagues
>Heavy Gunner
>Steady Aim
>Basher
>Pickpocket
>Rifleman
>Locksmith
>Demolition Expert
>Refractor
>Toughness
>Lifegiver
>Rad Resistant
>Medic
>Hacker
>Nuclear Physicist
>Gunslinger
>Commando
>Sneak
>Mister Sandman
>Better Criticals

>>176075790
>less then half of the perks in the game are +% perks
thanks for proving my point.

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Welp, looks like I'm gonna have to scrap this entire puzzle section. Not gonna miss it, but kind of frustrating to have spent all this time faffing about with it.
Time for an easier one then.

>>176075790
The weapon perks all give you extra goodies on top of the extra damage and the unlocking perks are just the same shit as the shitty skill system made simple with the shitty perks for unlocking shit as a cherry on top.

Way to prove your point.

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>>176075718
>remove a bunch of the old d&d pen and paper style stuff in 4
>introduce d&d charisma checks

TODD

>>176075790
Most of those have bonus shit that aren't just % damage increase.

>>176075994
Not that guy, but what's the point of even including the damage bonuses to weapons? Why doesn't Bethesda just make enemies not scale to retarded levels to the point where you have to take them?

>>176076027
% based charisma checks actually make sense though because human speech is just as reliant on the person you are trying to convince as the person doing the convincing.

There is never a point in which you have an absolute 100% chance to convince someone of something, which is why people who are masters of lying have failed to convince some people, whereas people who never lie have in bizarre situations.

This is why New Vegas's static 34/40 speech checks were beyond retarded, and made no sense as a gameplay mechanic.

Hard speech checks are nothing but a totally artificial limitation on the game used solely to make skills seems more important then they actually would be had the system been done realistically in the first place.

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This fucking minecraft autism shit in DimA's memories makes me want to cut someone

Fuck you todd

>>176075718
And I would be perfectly fine with a few 0/5 skills as long as there was a focus on coming up with worthwhile perks that can actually make a playthrough different enough.

>>176076148
>Why doesn't Bethesda just make enemies not scale to retarded levels to the point where you have to take them?
Not him, but that kills replayability, and just turns the world in an MMO style on rails theme park where you can only go the the areas in a certain order that the devs want you to go in.

It is fundamentally counter to sand-boxing and exploration.

Do you guys have "the perfect early game" planned out and do you play it out whenever you start a new run of Fallout New Vegas?

>>176076294
either way they should hide the percentage and not make it obvious it was a skill check

>>176076373
>coming up with worthwhile perks that can actually make a playthrough different enough.
Define worthwhile.

Because 9 times out of 10, when people use the word worthwhile, they then reference a totally worthless gimmick perk which never really matters or does anything outside of 1/2 situations, and is thus the exact opposite of worthwhile or game changing.

Doing shit like being able to pacify basically everything you come across with the charisma perks, and gaining the ability to basically teleport to enemies while doing melee, are bigger game changers then most perks in NV.

>>176076419
What? That isn't what I said at all.

>Fallout 4 now
>Have a rifle
>Hit Lv15 but didn't take any Rifleman perks
>Suddenly enemies are taking three times as much damage

What I proposed was to remove the damn scaling and just make guns hurt for the same amount of damage at all levels.

>>176075942
What was wrong with it?

>>176076482
Other than "avoid the Strip for as long as possible"... not much goes into my runs.

>>176076294
>realistic
>situation in which, when the exact same events happen, different outcomes emerge

This is not realistic at all. You're implying real life would have RNG if you could turn back time when convincing someone, then saying the same shit to them again.

RNG checks don't make sense because they are frustrating for extremely high CHA characters, and allow for exploitation through savescumming.

If you don't want to savescum but do want to be a charismatic character, you have only one option, which is to level to 10 charisma. Hilariously, you can still fail with 10, so getting the bobblehead is also a good idea.

New Vegas' system might not be perfect but it's far more logical than 4. It grants gameplay value to the stat.

CHA is a renowned dump stat in 4, you literally just want 3 for lone wanderer, and then bump it up to 6 if you want to do settlement shit (local leader) if not dont even do that.

>>176063743
>her whole point about how if a machine perfectly imitates human emotions and behaviours to the point where nobody can tell the difference
But people CAN tell the difference. It's how they get outed so quickly and then killed.

>>176076575
Gimmicks are fine because it's a first person shooter; I don't need "worthwhile stuff" to make me headshot level-scaled enemies but I do need something to make it an RPG.

Obviously, not everyone has to agree with my retarded opinions.

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>>176076593
It was a super massive script that, due to all its requirements, was causing too many cases where there was not only an infinite recursion loop, but a lot of shit where if I debugged it it would take a long time, and I'm sick of this mod as is.

>>176076591
Because then normies get pissed about the game being too easy if they get the rifle perks.
And they get pissed if there aren't any rifle perks to get because it's a fucking ARPG and increasing your character's supposed skill is a thing you're supposed to be able to do.

>>176063743
No it absolutely is not. You're a complete child if you think this way.

>I design an automated mannequin that screams on command as though being tortured
>you're torturing this poor mannequin! Won't somebody think of its feelings ? It is clearly in pain

literally the same argument

>>176076591
You are implying that damage and hp in the games are all about meat points and not abstractions of everything about combat that Bethesda can't actually portray. Ranking up in those skills isn't a "gun magically does more damage" but "I'm better with the gun so I'm not getting flesh wounds or grazes or whatever anymore"

>>176077119
Except humans are just meat-robots so the idea of 'torture' might as well be bullshit for us too.

>>176077119
Right, nevermind that these supposedly soulless machines run in fear and cower in shacks as Coursers try and sniff them out.

>>176076294
Can you fuck off todd?
Because being able to pass an hard charisma checks by spamming f5-f9 is beyond retarded, and made no sense as a gameplay mechanic.

>>176077126
>>176077095
So why not instead just focus on reload speed, aiming skill etc? There are perks that already do that, they're fine.

>>176077352
Anon if it has any effect on how much average damage you do, enemies will die faster & people will complain about a lack of challenge as your character gets stronger.
Shooting 30% faster & bullets dealing 30% more damage are only slightly different in effect.

>>176077352
because aiming sway is just something for the player to compensate for and reload speed does far less for those abstractions than the damage increases do and instead just fuel the A part of ARPG.
>>176077494
I'd say that dealing 30% more damage is significantly different from shooting 30% faster, especially in situations where that distinction counts.

Hey I used to frequent this gay little forum like 3 years ago.
Does T3T still hang around or any of those other dudes from the steam group?
This is Barabbas by the way.

Also, Fallout 4 was incredibly awful and boring.
More like Fallout 3 part 2
This time with more meaningless static factions

>>176077119
Except for the fact that the mannaquin is conscious and has intelligence beyond mere computer Boolean logic.

Do you think everyone who is not you is just a mannaquin also, you assburger?

How would I modify the properties of a power armor frame in the creation kit?
Like have it increase strength or carry weight?
The actor values section doesn't appear to work.

As it stands, Fallout 4 has these NV perks

Action Boy
Adamantium Skeleton
Animal Friend
Better Criticals
Black Widow/Lady Killer
Bloody Mess
Cannibal
Chem Resistant
Chemist
Computer Whiz(Hacker R4)
Concentrated Fire
Demolition Expert
Fortune Finder
Friend of the Night(Night Person R2)
Ghastly Scavenger(Cannibal R2)
Grim Reaper's Sprint
Intense Training
Lead Belly
Life Giver
Light Step(Sneak R2)
Living Anatomy(Awareness)
Long Haul(Strong Back R4)
Mister Sandman
Mysterious Stranger
Nerd Rage!
Nerves of Steel(Action Boy)
Night Person
Ninja
Paralyzing Palm(Iron Fist R5)
Rad Absorption(Solar Powered R2)
Rad Child(Ghoulish)
Rad Resistance
Rapid Reload(Quick hands)
Robotics Expert
Scrounger
Shotgun Surgeon(Rifleman R2-5)
Silent Running(Sneak R4)
Sniper
Solar Powered
Splash Damage(Demolition Expert R3)
Strong Back
Terrifying Presence
Toughness

But its totally missing out on all those perks from past games

>>176076616
>RNG checks don't make sense because they are frustrating for extremely high CHA characters, and allow for exploitation through savescumming.

Save scumming isn ot a valid complaint at all as that is an exploit the player has to chose to use.

Its tantamount to complaining that the game is to easy because you opened up the console and enabled god mode.

>CHA is a renowned dump stat in 4,
What? CHA was the dump stat in Fo3 and NV becuase of how useless it was since the speech skill did everything.

Charisma in Fallout 4 was considered the exact opposite of a dump stat because you actually need it to succeed at speech checks

>>176077778
>This is Barabbas by the way.
Literally who?

>>176077221
Absolutely not. We're organic beings, we're not 'meat robots' at all. Third gen synths are meat robots literally.

>>176077828
>Synths are conscious

When will this meme die. They APPEAR to be conscious because it suits the institute's needs.

They have limited free will and consciousness.

>>176077224
Malfunctioning institute products. Not humans with valid moral concerns.

In case anybody is wondering, I'm the guy with the pink face issue, and the cause of the problem was that I was using the newest version of FCO with NVR, but NVR requires version 2.3.1.

Uninstaling the new version and installing the old version, then overwriting with NVR where applicable while disabling all of FCO's esps and esms fixed the issue.

Now, second problem (if one can call it that) but one of my mods has made the liberation of Primm nigh-impossible, with no less than two dozen escaped convicts patrolling the streets, all of them behaving MUCH more intelligently and aggressively than in vanilla.

What are my options here? All I have is a varmint rifle with 30 rounds and about 15 sticks of dynamite.

Is it possible, I wonder, to fix up ED-E BEFORE you rescue deputy beagle? I can't actually get to the Mojave express anyway, but if I know it's possible, I'll see about making a break for it.

>>176078346
Explain the difference between 'organic beings' and 'meat robots' for me.

>>176078168
Not even that guy but you are the dumbest motherfucker I have seen today.

>New Vegas
>Check requires 5 CHR
>Player has 1 CHR
>Can't pass check
>"Hmm, maybe next time I'll build a CHR based character and see what that does"

>Fallout 4
>"Hard" speech check
>F5, F9, F5, F9, F5, F9
>"Man, I feel sorry for retards who invested in CHR."

>>176078168
>Charisma in Fallout 4 was considered the exact opposite of a dump stat because you actually need it to succeed at speech checks

PFFFFT HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>176078168
>Charisma in Fallout 4 was considered the exact opposite of a dump stat because you actually need it to succeed at speech checks
Beyond the perks one wanted in charisma, there isn't really any point in investing in it unless you want the absolute maximum settlers in your settlements.

Charisma boosts are piss easy to get in Fo4.

>>176078168
RNG checks are just a frustrating stupid mechanic. End of discussion. I want you to know that you're wrong.

>Have 9 CHA
>Threaten the guy who tries to extort you when you enter goodneighbor
>dialogue option doesn't change based on success or fail
>fail it because I rolled dice incorrectly

Wew its good game design its so like real life omg its almost like that guy is a real person

omg its almost like its also pointless to level cha to anything other than 10, because if you don't have a 100% chance of success, your chance of success is a 50/50 shot you have no control over

>>176078346
What's a limited consciousness?

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>>176078346
ANY SUFFICIENTLY SOPHISTICATED DATA NETWORK IS PRETTY MUCH THE EQUIVALENCE OF SAPIENCE.

WHY DO YOU THINK HUMANS ARE SAPIENT? IT'S BECAUSE OUR COCKING BRAINS ARE A SUFFICIENTLY ADVANCED DATA NETWORK. OUR BRAINS OPERATE VIA NEURONS EITHER FIRING OR NOT FIRING; IT OPERATES IN A BOOLEAN MANNER. ONES AND ZEROES. ON AND OFF.

MACHINES DO THIS TOO. THE ONLY REASON WE HAVENT HAD SAPIENT MACHINES YET IS BECAUSE IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY COMPUTER THAT EXISTS AT THE PRESENT TO BE ADVANCED ENOUGH TO SHOW SIGNS OF THIS SAPIENCE.

GHOST IN THE MACHINE FUCKING READ IT YOU GODDAM PLEB WHO THINKS HE'S HOT SHIT BECAUSE HE ADVOCATES FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN A FORM FAMILIAR TO YOU.

>>176078348
>ignore them
>go to Nipton
>hang around with the cool guys
>get a dog hat
>come back and beat the convicts to death

>>176078297
Hence the 2 or 3 years ago, little guy.
Sorry I'm not your favorite video game celebrity, nerd

>>176078436
Robots have an intelligent designer and are designed for purpose. They have limited parameters, even if those parameters in this context imitate human life eerily.

>Synthfags and their fucking emotional fanfic arguments

Organic beings are generated by two members of its own species through sex. They aren't made in a fucking factory and all have a little plastic fucking thing in their brain that their sociopath overlords could activate at any time.

Purge all synths

I very much enjoyed smashing everybody in the railroad's fucking head in with a super sledge

>>176063893
it's fun to mess around with but I would only take it if you have nothing else better to spend points on.

>Rank 2 gives an 11% chance to cripple the limb you strike. Rank 3 increases this to a 16% chance.
>Rank 4 gives a 15% chance to cause bonus critical damage.
>Bashing damage is affected by Strength.
>Bashing damage is affected by enemy ballistic armor. Armor-piercing weapon mods, the legendary Piercing prefix, and the Rifleman perk actually do affect bashing with those weapons.
>Bashing critical damage is affected by anything that increases critical damage. The Better Criticals perk and any weapon mods (such as the Lucky legendary prefix or a calibrated receiver) that increase critical damage will affect bashing criticals with that weapon.
>The Overdrive chem will stack with the Basher perk for 40% total bashing critical chance.

>>176078502
>its the game's fault I chose to cheat
Nope

>>176077778
>steam group
>that fucking cancer is still in the OP

>>176079141
>strawmaning and moving goalposts to support a retarded thesis
>BOSfags

>>176076329
It's not that bad.

DiMA baby talking you through it like you're a fucking neanderthal is a bit annoying though.

>>176079141
Yes, but the computing hardware required to carry out and store that programming would have to be so great that it would inevitably allow for the development of sapience.

>>176079248
Any system that facilitates cheating by literally reloading the game is a fundamentally broken system and not one that should be in a video game

>>176079097
I've been around here for 6+ years, still have no idea who you are.

>>176078757
>bla bla bla im smart I read this book teehee

Synths have been recorded murdering people at random for no reason. Wheres your ethical concern for actual humans' lives while you're cuddling your toaster waifu?

Also, even if synths are fully sapient and sentient and have muh feelins, they still deserve extermination, because they're all tools of the institute. The ones that run away or whatever are just malfunctioning.

>>176078708
>omg its almost like its also pointless to level cha to anything other than 10, because if you don't have a 100% chance of success, your chance of success is a 50/50 shot you have no control over
You mean like actual human speech?

I see you are one of those people who can't stand failing ever.

Fucking nu-age gamers.

>>176079308
By this logic the concept of saving itself is a fundamentally broken system as it takes away any sort of challenge from the game by allowing you to reload

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So i got fallout shelter on steam and like i swear my vault is cursed. i cant for the life of me get wanderers. its like they all turned into mailmen or their father went missing trying to search for science water. my vault is thirsty, hungry, without power, and every time i send a vault dweller out he just keeps talking about a bloatfly and tries fucking it and gets stung. apparently my vaults experiment was pumping chromosomes through the airvents or something. this vault is a lost cause.

>>176079254
You don't know what either of those terms mean tbqh

You still haven't presented an argument for the acceptance of synths other than 'They're people, I promise,' despite this never being fully resolved in game.

>>176079285
Can you support this with some in game reference please. Your own interpretation of what the institute's tech does is irrelevant.

>>176079454
I wonder how autistic somebody has to be to keep spouting utter drivel when the entire thread disagrees with him.

The percentage based system is shit and makes investing in CHR worthless.

>>176079571
>You still haven't presented an argument for the acceptance of synths
Are you legitimately roleplaying as a fanatical retard that ignores whatever he disagrees with?

>>176079454
>exact same situation can lead to different outcomes
Let's bring back a dice roll for melee hits while we're at it.

>>176079416

The destruction of an entire population is not a good answer.

Nick also spits in the face of that argument in your post.

There is surely a way to disable and/or remove Institution Indoctrination from the synth.

Also, are you really greentexting me that suggesting that you read a book that was specifically written to explore the subject at hand(sapience in artificial brains) should not be considered, you fucking meme lord?

>>176079571
>Can you support this with some in game reference please. Your own interpretation of what the institute's tech does is irrelevant.
Look at our own brains in comparison to other that of other animals. It clearly shows that the more sophisticated a brain is, the more likely it is to develop the concept of I.

>>176079454
Unless you are being deliberately dense, perhaps I can illuminate the distinction.

In games like Deus Ex: HR or even the Ace Attorney series, navigating dialogue is dependent on you, the player, knowing the correct thing to say. Adam Jensen and Phoenix Wright are not any more or less persuasive depending on their stats (though Jensen has augments that make dialogue easier) but you, the player, must know the correct thing to say, and the right evidence to present. Therefore, the ability to load a save when a conversation or cross examination does not go your way is indeed comparable to loading a save when you get shot. This is because you, the player, will learn that your line of reasoning or attack was not the correct one for your goal.

With Fallout 4s speech system, however, you know immediately the correct line of reasoning, because it is literally highlighted in red. The only thing that changes is the probability that picking it will lead to the outcome that you want, based on your stats. Because the long run probability of success is 1 given enough iterations, there is no incentive at all to invest in cha as a stat for the purposes of persuasion. In the long run, a character with a CHA of 1 is exactly as persuasive as a character with a CHA of 10, with no skill, learning, or even basic process of elimination required by the player themselves

>>176078168
>The lady killer/black widow does nothing in fallout 4
Probably the one thing that annoyed me the most about the charisma stat

>>176079735
>exact same situation can lead to different outcomes
According to multiverse throy yes it can.

In any possible number of unvierses, you have the exact same life up to a certain point, but on one day, you open your bedroom cloest, and chose a black shirt to wear that day, and in another unvierse, the other you who has had the exact same life up until that point, chooses the white one.

HUMANS DO NOT WORK ON HARD MATH YOU IDIOT

Free will creates tons of variability in every situation that can change in any number of repeats

>>176080056
>Believing in free will

>>176079454
You're one of those fucking idiots that doesn't understand arguments and thinks this means his own moronic opinions are better.

F:NV Checks make magnitudes more sense.

Scenario 1: New Vegas style checks

>You're trying to convince someone you didn't steal their hat, despite you wearing it.
>You need 90 Speech to accomplish this and it changes your dialogue significantly to sound more logical.

Your stats here represent your character's skill with words. Your gameplay decision to level speech is rewarded. Congrats youve got the dudes hat now.


Scenario 2: F4 style

>You're trying to convince someone you didn't steal their hat.
>You have 9 charisma
>and you say exactly the same thing a character with 1 charisma would say
>but too bad, RNG fucks you out of it!

Your stats here represent very little. They only affect your ability at rolling dice. Your investment in Charisma has limited usefulness at best unless you go insane and invest all the way so you can't fail ever.

>>176080154
>Being a Determined Fate fag

Jesus christ life is not a fucking story book. There is no fate but what we make.

>>176079354
So you're clearly not the person fit to answer my simple question.
Just shut the fuck up if you have nothing useful to say.
I was just wondering if The Third Type was still hanging around so I could tell him I finally achieved my dream of shooting up speed and heroin constantly.
Life is great, getting loaded is my only concern bitch

>>176080056
>free will means random will
The "universe" didn't change, it was the exact same universe down a single dust particle. You're telling me that some scrawny faggot can suddenly decide to attack a Power Armored bamf because the universe changed him into a moron in the two seconds it took to quicksave?

>>176080258
>There is no fate but what we make
We make our personality, it doesn't arbitrarily change to a random one. If everything was the same up to that point, that faggot wouldn't had tried to kill me for no reason.

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>>176079968
10/10 couldn't have said it better myself

>>176079745
>A book on sapience in artificial brains should not be considered

That book has no relevance to the internal logic of Fallout 4 whatsoever. There is no direct evidence that anything in it applies to synths or that the writers of fallout 4 have even heard of it.

>Nick

A malfunctioning prototype and one of only two models of his kind. Irrelevant.

>>176079735
You still haven't presented an argument for the acceptance of synths.

>>176080407
>i will ignore everything and move every goalpost that i can not ignore

>>176080258
There is no free will, your brain subconsciously decides what you're going to do before you do it. Studies prove this time and time again.

It's nothing to do with destiny or fate or any esoteric concept. It is however to do with your brain's impulses and instincts directing what you think, and not the other way around.

>>176080306
join the /fog/ group chat

>>176079141
Natural selection isn't pure random bullshit anon. It's selection. Over time, organisms are molded for a specific purpose: to survive.
Intelligent design is just a faster process.

And 'organic beings' do not have unlimited, infinite parameters. They have broader, more finely-graduated parameters, but they are not infinite. You can max out our sensation of pain just the same way you can max out a synthetic's sensation of pain.
And likewise, our capability to have original thoughts & emotions are not limitless. We are just bound by a looser, more complex medium (than we can currently account for, though we are hard at work on it).

Being designed by an intelligence & produced in a factory makes no difference as far as a being's sapience is concerned. If it is capable of the same complex behaviors, that's that.

If you were to assemble a man from his constituent parts in a lab, and he were able to carry out all the functions of a 'normal' person, would you deny him his personhood?
Would you remove a man's personhood if, through electrical stimulation and/or extreme conditioning, you were able to 'flip the switch' and force him to do something he would normally never do?

We might not be at that point yet, but we're unraveling more secrets about ourselves every year.

>>176080502
You still haven't presented an argument for the acceptance of synths.

You can't do it, can you?

>>176080194
>Your stats here represent your character's skill with words. Your gameplay decision to level speech is rewarded. Congrats youve got the dudes hat now.
Except it fails to take into account the ultimate nature of free will, and the possibility that the person can reject your argument.

There is no point in time in which anyone has a 100% chance to convince something of someone, and any game that allows you to do so is just sucking the player's cock.

>Your stats here represent very little.
Wrong, they represent the same thing as in the previous situation, but take into account factors outside of your control when talking to someone that the first example does not

>>176079416
The same could be said of dissident meat-robos.
Malfunctioning tools of their society, simply wipe them out- you'll never know when they'll snap & kill someone!

>>176080620
I would say you still can't read but it's obvious you're now completely ignoring whatever you have no reply for and are just focusing on this to make it easy for yourself :)

>>176080778
>He's breaking out the emoticons

Wanna know how I know you're upset?

>>176080907
>still hasn't replied to any counterargument

Wanna know how it's still obvious you have nothing worthwhile to say? :)

>>176080056
>theory
You mean hypothesis?
Show us your proof.


Humans absolutely can work on hard math- the only floaty bit is down at the quantum mechanical level, and it's only floaty -for now-.

Free will is a practical truth, not an absolute one.

>>176080979
>Something grown in a lab with a plastic chip in its brain is as valid a human being as you or I

why. Even if it has free will and sentience and all that crap, it is still an inhuman being that complicates and divides human societies, the settlements of fallout 4 being ingame proof of this.

>>176081001
>Humans absolutely can work on hard math
Which is why we have that formula that accuratly predicts everything everyone will ever do...

Ohh wait, we don't, because its impossible to really predict what people will do on an individual level due to free will, we can only make semi-accurate predicts on the whole of humanity, many of which are wrong.

>>176080056
Oh my fucking god this autism. You're seriously trying to imply that Fallout 4's RNG speech checks are validated by the multiple worlds theory?

As if that real-life scientific theory has any relevance whatsoever to the game's design or function. This is just pretentious retardation tbqh

>>176081180
>it is still an inhuman being that complicates and divides human societies
Not him, but that is only because the wastelanders created their own paranoid fantasy about it, and then The Institute exploited that to their advantage once they realized the surfacers paranoia might lead them to try to attack The Institute.

>>176080407
I think it really just depends on your viewpoint of what consciousness is. This is, and probably always will be a philosophical question

If you believe that true consciousness is some ineffable essence granted to us by a higher power or some such thing, Synths would just be "machines" and nothing more.

If you believe that any sufficiently complex system, like our brains, can develop consciousness, then you would have to accept that Synths as they are presented in Fallout 4 share the same experience of consciousness as us, because they are created humans. Completely indistinguishable from us except for a tiny chip in their head.

I believe the latter. So to me, Synths are equal to us, and deserve respect.

>>176081264
Seriously what the fuck are you talking about.

>Humans are like unpredictable mannnn
>This validates my asinine opinions about the workings of a video game

Your two strands of logic are completely fucking unconnected.

>>176081303
>As if that real-life scientific theory has any relevance whatsoever to the game's design or function
>Games don't try to make their gameplay match some expectation of reality
Except most games do to varying degrees unless they are just full of magic games.

>>176081264
Just because the math is unbelievably complicated does not mean it doesn't exist.

Given enough processing power we could predict individuals' actions the same way we can weather.
And even more would just make it more accurate.

Everything is math friend.

>>176080306

Please be careful

>>176058631
You're missing out on all the good waifus, m8

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http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/23304/?
anyone use the Settlement Teleporters mod?
(the one I just linked)
It was working wonderful for me, up until today, where now suddenly none of my relays function.
Linking them to a terminal still yields the teleporter menu, but the relay that doesn't work won't pop up in the menu.
The broken teleporter also doesn't appear to be "powered" either.
help

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