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Tree of Savior General - /tosg/

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Comfy pubs and in-game marriage still not added.

Previous Thread: >>175705352

>Combat System Changes - Dev Blog
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=948 - Pt. 1
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=951 - Pt. 2
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=955 - Pt. 3

>/tosg/ image folder
http://www.mediafire.com/file/z5azfwcrwly8w5x/Lolipan%27s+tosg+folder.rar

>Combat rework spreadsheet (informations from kTest)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w96wEplRalplgC4f0TTyiYqXNZfIVZopUbTNFUX_be8/edit#gid=0

>Latest "Patch Notes":
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=954

>Current events:
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=953

>Can I play the game now?
International version available on Steam RIGHT NOW. The Korean and Japanese servers are non-steam (Nexon)

TOS Info: http://pastebin.com/3YcrrJkd
This includes more detailed information, as well as tools, resources, patch notes and official links.

>Addon Manager (includes jTOS and iTOS addons)
https://github.com/JTosAddon/Tree-of-Savior-Addon-Manager/releases

>Database, skill planner and other stuff
https://tos.neet.tv/

>Extra Stat Points
http://pastebin.com/6Y3R7aYt

>Hunting Grounds locations and gear spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fP4G1JjL2pj6wMfpL_3o9pFWYIKpr3QnYgQ-XTfK21k/pubhtml#

>Servers
- iTOS: Klaipeda (NA) Fedimian(EU) Silute(SA) Telsiai(SEA)

>/tosg/ Guilds info:
There is no /tosg/ guild in Varena/Orsha, if you want one, either wait for someone to make one or roll a Templar.
If Guild is recruiting, please post in the thread.

>Klaipeda
Futureproof (ApplyAFineHorse3)
cute (Merigolds)
CuteNotLewd (Plasmagica)

>Telsiai
Comfy (neshoi)

>Fedimian
CoffeeHouse (Capyba)

>Silute
Lewd (Nanaumi)
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post butts
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How dead is Linker after the patch?
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>CuteNotLewd (Plasmagica)

meh
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/Ohayou/ when!
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>CuteNotLewd (Plasmagica)
not recruiting
not recruiting tosg
90% randoms
not tosg
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ignore guild shitposters
report guild shitposters
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>>175880823
>not recruiting
>90% randoms
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>>175880824
Nobody reported cnl's shit when they sperged out about not being in the OP and made another thread.
Of course it's okay when cnl does it.
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Coming back from a long break, I think I quit around when they had the first event. Is my full CON Cyrochrono still good? Are old cookie cutter builds outdated?
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>>175881037
Anything Chrono isn't cookie cutter and it will never ever be outdated.
CryoChrono is still the normal chrono build alongside chronolinker.
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daily reminder 90% of the shitposter are from CnL
they shitpost about swazz
they shitpost about alsheyra
they shitpost about you

oh but if you trigger them they will ban you.
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>>175880968
>>175881174
>F*Enigger mad about his shitposting being deleted

LOL
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Told you CnL was a mistake.
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>>175881158
I wasn't talking about Cyrochrono specifically for cookie cutter builds, but good to know. I was wondering about the other classes if they have new cookie cutters since then.
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Do I need a new Steam account every time I want to create a new ToS account?
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>>175881661
Yes
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Hi
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>>175881661
Yes
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Is the new player event over?
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dont reply to them. report the shit
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>>175881964
Why? I just asked if the event was over
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>>175881661
Yes
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>>175880903
Not recruiting random plebs from the thread, which is the point of listing your guild in the OP.
A newbie mistakenly pming lotus's gl has a much higher chance of getting accepted.
That plus no tosg people in cnl anymore anyway besides a couple of clover remnants.
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Everybody knows CnL is just sperglord normies, ignore them and they will die quietly.
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>>175882132
not you, silly

>>175881827
i think its over
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>>175882468
>>175881387
>>175881174
>>175880823
Fuck off C*lnigger
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>>175882468
Yep, make sure to report every C*L post!
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So how's that necro afk silver farming build, how viable is it to make one now?
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>>175882335
>[Deleted]

lul
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>>175883195
i deleted that because i got the quote wrong >>175882939
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/u/ guild when?
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>>175883453
I want /u/ to leave.
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>>175883190
anything Necro3 anything
you afk with it anyways

a little late to start one now. there are so many
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What's the best starting build for a new player?
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>>175883453
>>175883578
/u/ can stay but please put out the cigarettes.
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/cm/ guild when?
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>>175884074
this
>>175884307
not this
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Time to do 25 daily quests so I can get that shitty no-effort outfit.

Why do the 330 ones seem to not give kugheri down quests anymore?
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>>175883986
Wiz1 Pyro2 Link2 Thaum2 is cheap and strong
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>>175883986
What >>175884917 said is true but you will end up making multiple characters anyway most likely so make something you think is cool.
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So after reinstalling and seeing that my FPS is now at/above 60 in crowded places I've decided to play for another month or two. Should I go 3 Doppel with my SW3/P1/C1/D2 or try a new circle?
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>>175884307
>>175883453
/cum/ guild when?
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So if skill level won't matter in calculating the damage, why would we even need to put more than 1 point in most skills?
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>>175885421
retard
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>>175885421
It does matter. Increases the multiplier, it's just that the weapon matters more than skill level, but higher multiplier means that you get more out of the weapon.
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>>175885421
soon it does
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>>175883170
including OP?
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>>175884917
>>175885045
Do you think this build will be relevant post patch?
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>>175886084
not the same build
but we all get rank resets, dont worry about that
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>>175885256

WTF

Momo inu made a doujin for ToS? I'm going to find this shit.
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How dead are Pyros after renewal?
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>>175886223
It's from the winter. Good luck.
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>>175885256
that would be whatever guild healmage is currently in at the time
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>>175886548
1/7 dead
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*Incinerates your dick*
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what would be a good build for farming after big patch hits? Still pyro thaum?
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>>175888480
anyone can farm. without thaum

with thaum you need pretty good dmg. get good gear or strong skill combos. Elem or/and Pyro or/and WL
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Listen up candyass neet nerds bullies is recruiting
We take anyone below 100 likes
We do not approve like hoes
We have the darkest memes
And above all we are the best

If you have anything rude to say to us whisper swaaz
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>musketeer strokes your butt
>you become vulnerable
wtf kim
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>>175885078
Dopells are for edgemasters that want to solo it all by bein g the 1337est DEEPS. Also it's dopellC1 or DopellC3
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>>175889963
Thanks. Are the level 6 req Zucken/Redel skills worth the point cost?
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>>175886558

https://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/04/0030/48/41/040030484190.html

It's available right now on Toranoana.
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you are going to quit that game too katz lol.
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>>175890390
Gonna need a local doepll to give you their thoughts on this. But this are my probably wrong opinions:
https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/skill-planner#111666999.2335465a6571..1921415a66768695a1
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>>175889949
shut the fuck up matsu
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>>175890390
yes. If you have some bux to spare, you can get to level 6, buy the attribute, and then skill reset them back to level 1 and keep the attribute
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>>175892007
Wasn't this already fixed?
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>>175889949
Do the world a favor and end yourself you flip fuck
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>>175890685
If you pay for porn. Make sure to upload it after giving your money to the erotic jew.
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>Played a lot over the last week
>Close to finishing orange weapon
>Suddenly zero motivation to log in

I don't even know what I'm expecting from this rebalance update but I hope it comes soon along with r9; I've done most of the stuff in game I care about.
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>>175889949
Kill yourself pinoy fuck. Before you do, sell your sister to me so I can have fuck toy when I'm bored.
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>>175895071
After they finish rebalancing, they have to rebalance PVP and fix that. C9 next year maybe.
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CNL did nothing wrong.
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Is Pyro 1 (ONE) decent after rebalance? Pyro 1 is really weak currently. I'm interested if it has any use as a 1 circle class now.
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>>175896085
No.
Pyro's selling point now is enchant fire and it needs 15 points to be good. You can then take enchanter for enchant lightning, thaum for swells and give your party like a 30% damage boost or something which if you multiply by 4 would be more than a single pure damage build would do.
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>>175896301
Do mages have non full support builds left?
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>>175896301
>4 would be more than a single pure damage build would do
Except you won't be in a party of 4 dps, that build is shit.

>>175896385
Cyro3Chrono3Sage, Chrono will be still the same, while cryo got somewhat stronger.
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>>175896026
uhmmm please dont post that again
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>>175896581
>Do mages have non full support builds left?
>Cyro3Chrono3Sage
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>>175896985
Yeah, missed the non.

Just go Ele3Warlock.
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>>175896940
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>>175896581
>Except you won't be in a party of 4 dps
you really haven't played the new game right
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>>175896085
>>175896301
Pyro1 is not great but ok. Ball is ofc shit but other are not that bad.
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>>175897691
There isn't anyone here stupid enough to play this garbage, retard.
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>>175896301
>30% damage boost
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>>175898364
Is the ball better than current fb 5?
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Why does no one ever chooses this hairstyle?
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>>175898854
new ball is worth 0(zero(not even 1)) skill points
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>>175898949
Lies. You can still make use of it as an intermediate burst skill.
And if you are a sage, a big-ass landmine set.

Really good for those gaps between spawns on ET dps check floors.
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>>175899215
But it does shit damage.
Guess you can put a point in it if you really want.. not like you lack points.
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Gimme gimme popolion tendies, Be they crispy or from Timmys. Spend my hard-earned good-Swaaz points, on Swaaz's Meal ball tent Squire joints. 3jane lifts me to the owl, To find me tendies on the prowl. Enjoy my tasty tendie treats, in comfy big Swaaz booster seats. Almeth's, Evac's, Storage's, Maven's, Any tendies I am cravin'. 3jane tries to make me take a nappy, But sleeping doesn't make me happy. Tendies are the only food, That puts me in the napping mood. I'll post and /shout and make a fuss, I'll Slither, I'll Headbutt, I'll even cuss! Tendies are my heart's desire, Fueled by shitposting, tosg fire. 3jane sobs and wails and cries, But tears aren't tendies, nugs or fries. My good-Swaaz points were fairly earned, To buy the tendies that I've yearned. But there's no tendies on my plate! Did 3jane think that I'd just ate? "POPOLION TENDIES GET THEM NOW, YOU TRIGGERED, AUTISTIC, SJW COW!" I screech while Shiled Lobbing into his eyes, My un-upgraded white-rating shield surprise. For he who is un-lobbed on is he who remembers: Never forget my popolion tenders.

join bullies today!
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Post music that keep you motivated to play this game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjYpgUds6YU
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>defeat fucking 43 Saugas

ok

>at the hunting ground spot, 15 levels above you


J U S T
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>>175903385
>Defeat 37 honeybeans
>Melee character
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>>175902478
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgYEZicGUk8
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>>175898892
cuz its for gax
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>Donnes's portrait is now literally a white box

KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM!!
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>>175903385
>>175903830
>Keep getting told to kill the same thing everytime
Is the mission you get now locked in for whatever your level is?
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>>175909776
Better than his faggoty face
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>>175889264
b-but im over 100 likes and i never asked to be liked
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>>175912524
Ohhhh babygurl, you gonna make a tumblr about "Like Rape" now? fuck off
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>>175901921
youre just jealous of my good boy tendies from wendies
>>175912624
totally bro, because im definitely not the one that has been bashing the tumblr SJW faggots at the official forum constantly. im literally the exact opposite. stop liking me retard
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daily reminder that im still here, but i havnt posted daily since i got 10 day ban for posting my youtube and showing some tumblr kid sending me 5+ paragraphs out of being triggered

yall mods are more autistic than me, how the hell did this happen

ive been thinking of coming back and telling all of you daily why youre shit for awhile now but ive been trying to wait until the next big update.

pic related, the OC that got me 10 day ban
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So is the game still a laggy mess with more than 3 people on screen?
Is leveling still ass at the worst points for grinding?
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>>175913389
its no longer laggy but it crashes alot because after every update like 6 other previous updates get corrupted

most people just que dungeons for leveling now because there isnt a big enough playerbase to farm anymore
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>>175913520
Lies we still do alemeth grinds. Storage grinds and Maven grinds to accelerate the leveling compared to dungeons and quests.
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>>175909973
>Is the mission you get now locked in for whatever your level is?
No
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can I use any ground companion as hunter or does it have to be a specific one?
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>>175913865
technically you are right, but you cant argue with the truth

months ago - every 10 mins theres atleast ONE alemeth and saalus daily party shout

now theres one every 30-45mins

that is what i meant
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>>175913978
Well, this is the 14th time in a row that it's told me to kill the same thing.
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>>175914246
Any but the bird/penguin have the most equip slots so they are the best.
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>>175914650
Ate you level 330? At that point, yeah it's just kill the one thing and kugheri down, and I think they removed the down requirement last patch.
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Ded
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Ded
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CnL killed us
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>want to post but if you do, you get shit on for not covering your in-game nick
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>>175918598
None care
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>>175914325
I doubt that's what you meant. If hyperbole sticks it slowly becomes "truth", doubt you would have ever said anything about what you "truly meant" if Anon didn't point out your malice.
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@175918763
enjoy ded thread
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>>175918453
Remember to go to bee farm and report every CnL you see there.
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Who cares about that? If the game is alive and I get to do content and have fun, that just what's needed, this thread ain't representative of shit when it comes to the game. Especially how much traffic it sees
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>>175920801
Is CnL a bee farming guild?
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This will be the last thread
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Doing these merc quests makes me angry all over again that ToS has such a shitty item system. Why can't all creatures of a type drop the same drops. Why, if there are red, blue, yellow, and brown versions of x_creature do they drop red, blue, yellow, and brown x_creature butts? Why can't they all just drop generic x_creature butts?
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Looks like the heart went down in price. I am not buying until it's in at least 20m range. I rather open 20 paper cubes.
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>>>/vg/mmog
soon :^)
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don't post anything in this thread

no one cares

let it die
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>people are trying to make me their tbl waifu
>again
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>get lvl up from 226 > 227
>suddenly i'm 30% at 227

How?

I'm nowhere near close to the exp lvl reset.
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>>175922679
Go make lunch already
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please do not post anything about your adventures or the game

only shitposting about guilds and name dropping allowed

we don't care
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>>175922509
soon!
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>>175924406
Vain people can't bear others not giving them full attention at all times.
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>>175924406
Fuck off CnL nigger
Or are you Cel**nt?
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>>175924406
Retard, guilds are part of the game too, it's an mmo after all. The game is nothing without its players.
And you are probbaly the same autistic shitter who spergs out whenever someone posts a screenshot without blacking out names because it's "namedropping".

Dump autist.
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Remember when we had 2/3 threads per day?
Remember when CnL was tosg?
Remember onee-san?
Remember when bee farming was limited to Dvine and very few others? LFG Dina grind ;^)
Remember when we had PvP and Comfy race wars?
All gone, forever
Only shitposting remains
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>>175924930
I wouldn't say "CnL niggers" posting is quality guild tslking.
And the worsr is it's the only guild we ever talk about here with some "nuComfy a shit" now and then
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I will knowingly misinform you about everything I know.
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>>175925000
Trips confirm the truth.

Do not reply to me. I don't care about you. I don't care about you. You're not Telsai. You're not SEA nigger monkey.

Do not reply to me. Do not talk. Do not post. Do not make attempts to help others in the general. Do not bother.
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>>175925000
Rebalancing is going to kill the game rip.
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>>175925561
The rebalance actually looks very exciting, removes a lot of the dumb shit and improves systems that needed polishing for the longest time
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So what will be the swordsman class that will let me do all the content in ToS
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>>175925000
Remember Koenigger?
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>>175927187
Fencer is looking very strong after it's patch
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>>175927567

hahah

ook


I'll fuck ur anus
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>>175927694
Seriously. Look it up
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>>175927584
Tell me your server so I can actually send people to harass you until you quit XIV too, just to see where you shitpost next.
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>>175927709
*looks up at shit*

Whats YOur GAME Here???
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>>175927796
Luchador, stop thinking with your muscles and pay attention.
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>>175927845
*whips out 5 hammer*

BUt that CALSS will turn SHIT
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>>175927584
Hello Matsu.
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>>175927584

can't vbelieve there's someone so buttblasted with katz that the motherfucker comes to this place only to shit on him and somehow ruin his bad reputation even more by "recruiting" people to another game passing as him
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>>175927584
Fuck off you flip fuck, nobody likes you.
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Ok I got 5 donnes badges. Is this enough to get the exp buff? Does it stops when we are in town/offline?
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What the. When did these lvl 3 gem abresives start dropping for the RAFENE CUBE?
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Does dpk count for chanel reset if there is noone in it?
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>>175931063
since forever
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>>175931063

how much exp is gives
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>>175926438
The only thing rebalance removes is the notion of taking less than circle 3 in any given class.
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Combat changes part 4 https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=959
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>>175932106
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>log in
>290 full+saalus
>log alt
>290 rush+saalus
>ET runs
>log off for the day
Who else like me?
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what if we just...remove critical hit for good? I'd rather have 0 critical hit on skill in my game than this shit 10% crit rate pure rng bullshit

muh ro has almost no critical hit mechanic for skill and that worked well

>muh ro

you can't runb from muh ro now, specially with everything rworked to be more % based....more like RO
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>>175933420
Not me. We get more silver/hr by actually playing the game.
>grinding
Yes that is the main bulk of the game.
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>>175933560
lucky guy
point for me is: i don't even feel like going with my thaum farming these mobs
Already have like 6k caro kills
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>>175933420
I think I'm you minus the 290 and saalus
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>>175933539
Critical hit should be added to magic too.
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>>175936112
If that's the case, magic should be dodgable too
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It really feels like Prac and Orange stuff isn't really worth this silver or what am I missing? Did Bee farmers bloat these prices?
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>>175937505
Sure, make INT give accuracy too and we are set.
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>>175937836
sure, but make magic also blockable too
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>>175937505
Plenty of games where magic isn't dodgeable and can crit. Being blockable in some way is fine though.
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>>175937791
Bloated prices are a meme. The items are just a pain in the ass to get. Don't like it, don't buy them.
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>>175938063
Friend of mine earns 2,000,000 silver a day by doing nothing. Told me he buys every practonium off the market when he sees them.
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>>175938272
It would take them a month to afford like 1 pract.
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>>175938272
I too would tell a dumb idiot like you straight up lies because he can't do basic math
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>>175938327
He's had the necro AFK since last August
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>290 rush drama
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>>175937791
for the most strong ones 20-30m are fair and honest
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>>175937791
>Pract
>a one per character material
>Orange Recipes
>Need 5 Arti and insane amount of luck

Prices are fair, they are roughly the same in Korea too.
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>>175939991
Great achievement, put it on your resume when you apply for your next welfare cheques
>>
how bong tos can be so bad at this game

it's painful to watch him playing. does he play ktest with 2000 ping or he's just...bad? I love what he does but man...it hurts
>>
>Afked on PoE for 3 whole days
>Can't stay connected to ToS for an hour.
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>>175921569
Why not just have every mob in the entire game drop a generic monster part instead of having lots of items? Why not just farm hanamings to get everything needed to craft everything and complete every quest? Why not just streamline it and remove all items entirely?
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>buy item for 4m yesterday
>price range was 5.5~4.5kk
>today two guys selling it for 2m

fukc
>>
>4.5kk
>kk
??????
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>>175942348
>Why not just streamline it and remove all items entirely?
This is viable if they just dropped weapons and shit instead.

>Why not just have every mob in the entire game drop a generic monster part instead of having lots of items?
Sure. Everything Plant race should have a small chance to drop one of the plants used for crafting without needing that bracelet. Blessed shards should be an item needed for upgrading that's dropped from basically everything at mild to low chances.
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>>175932126
And the notion you need constant immunity to damage to do anything.
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>>175942750
What, they removed saftey wall?
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>>175942878
You mean safe space?
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>using Briquetting to make bootleg Venier
>get this
How is supposed to work?
Will a lower maximum attack actually lower my damage or not affect at all?
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>>175943508

don't worry. min atk > max = min attack always without damage oscillation
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>try to repair on 4 ssquires in a row
>no one had repair kits anymore

and you tell me that those jews can't profit
>>
>>175943824
>not repairing in Klapedia, the whit man's town
It's like you want to admit that you're a Cn*n*g**r
>>
Anyone else just alt-f4 in disgust whenever they accidentally enter fedimian ch3?
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>>175943968

>white
>playing on NA server

lol
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>>175944101
Yeah same, all my chars are stuck there now and I haven't played the game in weeks
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>>175944178
タックビル!
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>>175944178
Klaipeda is the official white server and C*L is the official white guild
>>
>>175943824
>>175943968
come to Orsha

cheap Quality Repairs, like 24/7
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which of my fellow elite hackers still carrying one of these as a trophy?
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>C*L

what a shitty meme
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>>175920801

CNL, and Lotus these guys bee farm but i never see them play game
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>tfw getting top 3 kills of an orange mat mob
am I winning the game yet?
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>>175946874
yes, end it
>>
>10 saalus/day
>3 days without mausoleum


life is good
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>>175947625
mauso > canyon
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>>175947705

canyon is faster and gives more silver
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>>175947823
mauso is faster if your party is good and you split
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>>175947823
silver from saalus is pocket change, and it's not even efficient
if you're doing dailies with good people you can just split up in mauso and kill 2 bosses at the same time
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>>175947918

The silver is relevant, anon. 130k per 'bad' run. Almost another shard.
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>>175948780
It's useless for the hawk I think.
For pet-riding classes, your pet needs to be fed if you want it to give you stats.
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>>175948780
You don't want your cute pet to starve, do you?
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>>175950031
>cute pet
>TOS
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you can only make ausrine once in TBL now?
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>>175950120
Hoglans are cute!
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>>175950487
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>>175950487
Hoglaniggers are good.
>>
What should my templar be? Sword 3 > Pelt 3 > Temp 2 or Pelt 3 > Squire 2 > Temp2?
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>>175951334
>Squire 2
kinda sux
Squire3 too, but 2 is even more shitty
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>>175951334
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#1122623gg
>Highlander + Barb's cleave to carry you solo
>Pelt when you need to grind in groups
>>
ex-comfy niggers need to fuck off to there other shit game.
nobody liked you faggot. if i quit TOS, i would not play a game with (You)
>>
>>175951829
>not playing in balmung
t. shitter
>>
Are the 250% damage increase on Umbo blow and rim blow with high guard worth it? Should I have both blows on lvl 6 or just high guards?
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>>175952770
>Should I have both blows on lvl 6
That.
>>
>be dragoon
>debuff boss with spear lunge and serpentine
>diev dirvys does billions of damage with carve attack

why is this allowed
>>
>>175952901
I've been doing Khonot Forest at your level lmao fkn casual
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>>175953035
t. whale
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>>175942483
Pretty much means it's a Telsai/Silute/EU NIGGER who can't into proper figures.
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>>175953625

stfu anglonigger
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>>175953218
no. that map is easy
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>>175953990
wintergarden
evergarden
kindergarden

what a shitty players and names lol
>>
>>175953990
Dotardgarden was the worst to be honest. But at least he was white.
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>>175953625
Says the one who can't into metric system.
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>>175954928

better move to a true american game
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>>175954856
>ToadLovers
Dumb frogposter.
No idea what he wrote
>>
Is it faster to just farm brown colimens for the flowers or to go and kill firents for theirs?
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>>175954563
People who use the metric system do not ever, anywhere, say "2kk" or "two thousand thousand". It's retarded.

t. someone from a country that uses the fucking metric system unlike you slavic shit stain / sea nigger
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>>175955045
>>175954324
>>175954316
Fuck off ev*rgarden
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>>175955026
Min level is 268
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>just want to be a cute pirate
How is Corsairs after the changes to the combat system? Right now I'm looking at Sword3>Pelt>Corsair3>Fencer/Nobi. But I'm considering hoplite2 instead of sword3 and pelt.
>>
>Dungeon Instance Limit is based on total Dungeon runs and not per Dungeon basis

Ok. I don't remember this being in the Beta. Was it always like this or this is one of IMCs Jew mechanics at play?
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>>175955674
It was always like this.
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>>175955673
r u ok dud?
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>>175955674
In beta each dungeon had their own runs, yeah.
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>>175955875

In the Beta it wasn't. I don't get why they would do this shit. I'm fine with 2 or 3 dungeon runs per day for each dungeon but not 2 for whole fucking dungeons.
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>>175956265
Some loud casuals probably complained about it saying they don't have time to do all the dungeons.
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>>175956265
3 missions, 3 saalus, 3 dungeons.
It's plenty enough. Otherwise the game will become even more Tree of Dailies, especially if you have 5+ characters to run every day.
>>
Centurion when?
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>>175956374
>england

look at this twat and laugh.
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>>175955269
looking pretty damn good.

Pistol corsair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcne7Rppu-A
DWA corsair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlFnpG8bgUE
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>>175956374
>england
>eu

Hows the life in england muhamad?
>>
The goyim literally can't stop giving me money on the market.
>>
I'm Eurofag should I play on EU or it's completely ded ?
>>
Maintain weapon, armor or repair? Which should I focus on?
>>
>>175957040
Wow I was thinking going hoplite corsair but damn, the spear + pistol looks like shit. It's really unfortunate that hoplite is the only class with a decent pierce debuff (and i guess highlanders too).
Which do you recommend?
Sword3>Pelt>Cosari3>r8
Sword3>Barb>Corsair3>r8
Sword2>Barb2>Corsair3>r8
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>>175957547
EU is deader than Klai and no matter what misinfo agents tell you, you don't need a ping of 10ms to play.
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>>175957547
EU is ded and has more retarded ppl.
If you ping is decent (and you dont autoattack class) and you dont mind the time zone. go Klaipeda
>>
Are fencers going to die in the future patch?
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>>175957645
Armor maintenance is not useful in its current state. Weapon maint and repairs are both useful. Probably 75% of squire shops are repairs. if you charge anything above zero profit people will sperg out on you and continue to buy overpriced pardoner buffs. So probably weapon maint
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>>175957715
Keep in mind thats Bong, he resets into completely different builds every day and just shows them to curious minds on youtube. So hes lacking gear, attributes, and all-around understanding of the skill rotation

I'm no swordie expert, I'd cut pelt, your flag is like a mini swash, and corsair will be using dagger/pistol instead of shield. Barb2 frenzy will pair nicely with DWA basic attacks, and is probably more useful than Sword3 kit, unless you want 100% pain barrier uptime
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I need to garner more shekels.

How do I Jew in this game?
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>>175958365
Do saalus and 290 rushes.
OR
Be alchemist.
OR
Be a bee farmer.
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>>175958519
What do alchemist do to jew?
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>>175958829
But new rapiers are good now that Epee doesn't scale.
+2 to Fencer skills is was less relevant.
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>>175957790
Yes, sell your Venier now.
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How dead will Pala3Monk1Inq1 be after combat patch?
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>>175958519

What about those buff sellers?
>>
>>175959751
They aren't making enough.
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>>175959484
About 4, maybe 5
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>>175959751
They don't make money on most of their buffs, the only one I see that makes them money is blessing. The other 2 skills they're either taking a loss or breaking even.
>>
How does linker thauma work?
>>
Has anyone tried out Enchanter?
>>
>>175959804
>>175959959

Even the scroll makers?
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>>175963069
someone already lists 2000+ barriers at zero profit and nothing else sells
>>
Why did Lalaco have to die...
>>
Someone respond how do alchemist make monye? It can´t be because of gem roasting, can it?
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>>175963741
Other alchejews will never share their secrets with you.
>>
Dead game.

http://steamcharts.com/app/372000

See you space cowboy.
>>
WIll Pyro Linker Thaum still be viable in the next patch?
>>
>>175964268
No
that build was based around agny+ball+links. and all of that was changed/nerfd
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>>175964497
What did they do to the balls and links?
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>>175963303
fuck off L**aco
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>>175964190

3000 across all servers?

Well what the hell. This is like a high population private server. Fucking embarrassing.
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>>175965104
Heh, the joke is that South East Asian and Brazil servers have 80% of that population
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>>175964585
Links have a lot less hits.
And Ball does 1 hit at al lvls.
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>>175965609
>And Ball does 1 hit at al lvls.
Why would they do this? Pyro is dead.
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>>175965738
Other Pyro skills are ok
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>be fat fag college kid flunking every class
>play shitty korean mmo named tree of savior
>have a discord with your online (only) friends
>try really hard, never be top
>whale all student loan money to play doppel
>sperg at your guild
>they start leaving you
>recruit whales from crimson because you wanna be the best
>still not the best
>your discord is now dead
>get kicked from /tosg/ for being a sperg
>now spend all your time forcing your dead guild in /tosg/ where no one wants you
What's his name
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>>175965104
Across 2 servers
Telsiai and Silute
SEA Niggers consider Varena an empty server and yet alone has more people than NA and EU combined
Orsha and Fedimian have around 200 players at this point, maybe less, sure these server can fit in 2 guilds with 70 slots
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>>175965104
>3000 across all servers?
That's not how it works.
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>>175965867
Other pyro skills are unusable trash
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>>175965874
>fat
Alsheyra
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>>175965941
They are not in kTOS/TEST.
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>>175965874
F*E
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>>175966089
They are, if you're going pyro for fucking flame ground and pillar you're an idiot.
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>>175957547
Server so empty should be closed desu
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>>175965941
Enchant Fire is god tier 15/15 material now
pyro3chrono3 is really good support but only if you're not a poor bitch with a good weapon
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>>175966160
They are not.
If you go Pyro for Agny memes. ok, fuck off. nigga

But the class is ok. not OP, but not that bad.
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>>175964190

HIGHWAY TO HELL
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>>175966237
>But the class is ok. not OP, but not that bad.
Bad enough to completely ditch it in favor of better classes.
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>>175964190
But this month is positive and players are comming back, just BRs due Silute relocation in Brasil though
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>>175966346
such as??
why not name some good wizard rank 2/3 circle alternatives
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>>175966223
Sure thing kiddo, also Gung Ho, that thing is rad after the patch, Sword 3 is the new meta holy shit. I'd say it even out DPS a Cleric 3 Pala 2 Oracle 3.
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>>175966346
What better class at R2,3?
There is none.
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>>175965874
*lasm**ica
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>>175966484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlDUxYZOblA

Cry more pyronigger
>>
Forgot to open my cube yesterday :(
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>>175965104
A private server with 3000 players would say 200-300 on that chart.
Concurrent =/= total, just how many people are on at a given moment.
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>>175966669
That is weeks old and nerf'd

But ok, all Agny bandwagon faggots should just reset to something else.
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>>175966978
You dont realize that private servers do in fact have like 3k people on at a given time
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>>175967398
Lie
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>>175967394
The only thing that was nerfed is your brain.
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>>175967474
He did mention high population pservers,
I remember playing on some that had even 5 thousand or more people playing
>>
3000 online doesn't mean 3000 total.

kTOS and jTOS also bring in money.

Most like jTOS brings in the most.
>>
>>175967394
>nerf'd
Nope.
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>>175967394
Are Promience and Meteor good without agny now?
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>>175968213
Agny does not add much to them.
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>>175967398

Sorry. At one point, aeRO had 3k across servers.
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>>175968939
That's... not an answer.
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>>175967704

Obviously it was talking about the steam version not the one from kToS or jToS.
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>>175969131
Check neets and see them for yourself?
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>>175968949

Meant for >>175966978
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>>175969297
Numbers isn't as good as action, especially with how promience works.
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>>175968949
3000 total across server is not the same as 3000 concurrent and ToS has many more servers than iToS ones and thus way more population.

3000 people who all play in the same 5 hour span, leaving it dead the rest of the day also isn't the same.
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>>175969450
Agny adds 50 to these %numbers. Take a guess how good it is with them.
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>>175969787
and i got a few min now, so have some spoonfeed

Maxed Meteor
>1433 + 100.3 × (10- 1) × (1 + (100 × 0.005))
2787.05
>with Agny
2837.05

without Pyro its not really worth it
>>
>>175970035
see >>175969450
Prominence was changed to have 4 things instead of 2, for instance. Meteors cast and cool down have changed and probably some other stuff. I was asking to anyone who've actually used them.

I also didn't ask "is agny worth using with them?" I asked "are they good without agny?" as in good in and of themselves. Fireball, for example, had it been changed the other way from 1 hit to 15 hits would be good without agny.
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>>175965874
alsheyra or plasmagica
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>>175969787
It doesn't multiply the final damage by 1.5?
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>>175970431
>>175968213
I didnt play Elem after Prom change but it was good before. Worth 5 or 10 or 15 points.
Patchnotes sound like its the same or maybe better.

I still dont like Meteor. Its one big hit.
Maybe a few points as a filler and fast extra Dmg, but not maxing it.

(That was with Agny, but its not adding a lot to them, so dmg would be similar without)
>>
>>175970495
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=920&vp=2
>As for accessories, the Agny Necklace, an item with rather peculiar options, will now increase the factor of fire property skill attacks by 50%. Say, if Fireball has an attack factor of 230%, with an Agny Necklace equipped it will expand to 280%.
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>>175970431
Keep in mind prominence was locked at 4 things. Before it would grow from 2 to 7 (I think) things, so yeah it's a buff overall but also a small nerf.
>>
>>175971471
>Before it would grow from 2 to 7 (I think) things
When? in the test? Right now in iToS, it just makes two things and they hop around about 3-4 times over 10 seconds.
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>>175972957
Yes
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>>175972957
https://pastebin.com/u/sunhwapark
https://pastebin.com/hMt5sCsG
>The number of initially spawned prominence has been changed from 2 to 4. , the number of prominence generated after has been reduced from 7 to 4.
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>>175966223

Pyro 3, Thaum 3 and Enchanter is insane. Give everyone in a party like 3500 damage.
>>
I don't get why imc changed fireball mechanics. No, I'm not talking about numbers agny and shit, but the fireball mechanic we current had, it was super cool and "original" with a lot of combos, not is just a generic small bomb
>>
>>175974968
>>175966223
yes, EF, EL and Thaum are pretty good.
3500 needs lot of nice gear tho
>>
>>175974968
>>175975869
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic
>>
>>175976007
Oh why?
>>
>>175975594
It was annoying to play soccer with it as melee, but the new one is pretty boring.
>>
>>175956265
20 dungeons a day is enough without having to run another 100. At 120 dungeons, you have 12 minutes per dungeon even if you don't sleep, don't eat, don't go to the bathroom, and just run dungeons nonstop.
>>
>>175977089

20? What?
>>
>>175969218

It? I didn't know animals can post on the internet.

Obviously he was talking about a he but he was misleading that there's only 3000 players when in fact 3000 is people actively online at peak. We might have close to 10,000 players because people go offline all the time and others come on and this is an international game so there will always be moments like that.
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>>175977254
I'm using convenient round estimates instead of adding them all up.
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Japanese ad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV8DqilJsnw
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>>175977089
What is wrong with someone that they would spend all their time doing dungeons if they were able?
>>
>>175978632
Good to see that foreign ads are just as bad as the ones in my country.
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPuDW27ClSc
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>>175977445
>We might have close to 10,000 players
If there were ~3300 people on at a time and they switched off exactly at the same time, that would be each shift of people playing for 8 hours per day. Obviously people don't do that, more like >>175933420, so it's really much more. Probably more like every given person plays ~ 2 hours.
>>
>>175958519
Is alchemist really that good of a money maker? Can you explain how it works and what kind of thing you need to do to make your stuff and the required investment?
>>
>>175978632
This game isn't really that RPGらしい though
>>
is the game saved yet?
>>
>>175979128
Historically, MMORPGs in general get 2 and a half hours a day from an average player.
>>
>>175979271
Yes. Don't be lazy and interact with people. Convince them to get awakenings and skin chances. Even selling hp potions is fine because if nothing else, no matter how much you're undercut, people are going to keep buying potions by the dozens, so they'll get around to your 600 ones eventually when the 420-550 ones are gone. However the more alchs there are, the less money you'll make so don't bother.
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>>175889949
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>>175981776
and how does alchemy works? what do you need to craft the pots and how much do they cost to make?
>>
>>175981923
Play the game.
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>>175982012
I'm not gonna roll a alchemist before I see what he does. If I have to farm for shit to make pots, I'm not doing that. But if it's like pardorner's stuff that he just buys scrolls from the npc and sell, then that would be worth the time
>>
>>175982152
>If I have to farm for shit to make pots, I'm not doing that.
Good, then don't do it.

>it's like pardorner's stuff that he just buys scrolls from the npc and sell, then that would be worth the time
Alchs make money because they don't spend 80% of it buying shit from NPCs. Obviously anything you need you can buy from the market if you want less profit, and HP potion mats can be gotten just by literally farming them in your guild's guild tower hangout. They cost like a few dozen gold if you put in the effort and you make like 400% profit even undercutting. But yes, you have to put in hours of work to make potions.

Just run your brainless dailies and sell your shards to me. Active farming still gets gold faster than any crafting class anyway, especially when you find silver and gold mobs + you can make and sell gems.
>>
When does the game saving patch come out? I have 2 tokens saved but I'm not going to log in or use one until it hits.
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>>175984707
July I guess.
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>>175984707
they said "summer"
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Bored out of my mind, in the mood for some grinding to waste time.

I feel like playing something with pets. Looks like the Archer has a 'Ranger' and 'Falconer' class. Are they memes or decent at farming at all? Is the pet AI okay?

How hard can I fuck myself by just picking classes without too much research.
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>>175987636
>'Ranger'

I meant Hunter obviously, excuse my brain damage.
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>>175987636
Hunter C3 > Falconer C3 is perfectly viable in ET as a support class for physical damage dealers. It's not a great one, but it's okay.

You can't fuck yourself over for normal gameplay anymore, they've lowered the amount of damage higher level mobs do and increased the damage most circles deal, so even if you make a Lolipan tier build you'll be fine. You can and will be excluded from ET for not making the tippy top tier spec and gearing it specifically for the sole purpose of clearing ET.

Pet AI is dog shit, it'll attack crystals, the wrong target, run too slow, or just be worthless sometimes. Sometimes it'll work and you'll do okay damage. Hawk AI is much better than dog AI because you have to control its actions anyway.
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>>175988409
gross
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>>175988039
I assume ET is an endgame dungeon of sorts. Thanks for the advice.

There's also a couple specs in Swordsman that use shields. I like shields. Are there strong shield builds? Blocking and counterattacking is always fun even if it's a passive occurrence.
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Can you carry ET/Solmiki as a hopdoppelgoon or is it pyro/doppel3 only?
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>>175988493
Peltasta and Rodelero are both shield based classes, and they get a massive damage buff from taking Murmillo at R8.

You can also take Hoplite if you like spears. Rodelero C3 and Murmillo is pretty much mandatory though because it has highest damage of the shield classes.
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>>175988678
Not enough aoe.
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Haven't played in about three months after doing everything the game has to offer and realising all that was left for me was daily chores like running saalus and shit on 8+ characters which was making me want to kill myself. Not to mention how many times crashing or getting fucked out of cubes and all that shit. What's the latest news, I saw that Kim's maybe fixing the game, but I won't believe his lies again. Is there actually anything else to do in the game or is it still just shit?
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>>175988476
no u
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>>175989892
The fixing is all about mechanical systems for now. New stuff will be added after they get the skills working.
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How does forgery work on appraisers? Like what gets passed down to the party, do they get an actual fake accessory to equip? Does it pass down all accessories? Do they get the stats and the special effect of like, Sissels?
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>>175989892
Fix first, new stuff later.
See you in 6 months.
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>>175990523
I think it replaces there Rings. Not 100% sure.
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>>175989892
there's still no new content
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>>175990523
They get an actual fake accessory. The person can choose to get all 3 of your accessories if they want to, necklace included. They get everything the accessory gives. So if you're the only person on the party that actually has money, you can pass on both of your sissels to your party.
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>>175991972
Also it apparently stacks with accessories you're already wearing but I haven't tested that far.
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How many different ways can one build an oracle3?
cleric3-x-x-oracle3
cleric2-diev3-oracle3
cleric2-krivis3-oracle3
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>>175990337
get out fatty enabler
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>>175992218
can u not and make something useful?
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>>175992218
>cleric2-krivis3-oracle3
This seems the easiest to level.
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>>175992454
healthy
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>>175992891
fat is not healthy
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>>175992721
>>175992891
lol
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>>175992953
i agree, but that isn't fat
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>>175993071
yes it is moron, it's sure as fuck not muscle or bone, unless you're implying it silicone, which is even more disgusting
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>>175992218
There aren't any Oracle 3 builds that are actually good. You could maybe go Full Con Cleric 3 Priest 2 Oracle 3 and be a full support that uses all protective skills in PvP but it wouldn't be super useful.
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>over an year
>still not pub or inn, or any player-gathering place at all
>still no pointy witch hats whatsoever
>most hats are cash shop, look awful, and aren't even centered correctly on the head
>still no weapon and/or equipment forge system
>still no Spellsword class
>nothing worthwhile was added, meanwhile things players like have been outright patched out

Why keep playing this game at all?
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>>175993651
to flirt with the cuties
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>>175993651
to ERP
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>>175993651
>Still no spellsword class

W-well next patch Chaplain will actually be decent and Druid is statistically a spellsword even if it isn't thematically one. Also apparently that bear eye mask is in the game somewhere and they decided to hide the Red Boater too so it's possible all the unfound hats just require absurd autism.
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>>175993730
>>175993790
The proper tools to ERP aren't even there. This isn't even a good game for social activities, fails even at that.

>>175993817
There are a fuckton of thematic classes in this game, nobody will settle for Chaplain as a Spellsword class.
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>>175994053
>The proper tools to ERP aren't even there. This isn't even a good game for social activities, fails even at that.

i've had some pretty good success with it.
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healmage is being "head patting" from the front and from the back at the same time by 2 people for almost an hour, and now a group is gathering, assuming to give her more "head patting"
how does that make you feel?
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>>175995239
wetting weet and weet?
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>>175995814
stop posting about yourself
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>>175995814
I fell like i've seen way too much klaifaggots namedropping.
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>>175995814
>formerly the goddess saint of the server's most badass PvP guild
>feared and respected, even by enemies
>now reduced to the server's toilet
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>>175996823
/d/ truly is a place for degenerate scum
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>>175995814
>how does that make you feel?
like the image is missing one of the girls rubbing her bladder and womb until she pees through the spats
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>>175996823
>formerly the goddess saint of the server's most badass PvP guild
wrong
>feared and respected, even by enemies
wrong
>now reduced to the server's toilet
maybe
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>>175995814
>LE NAMEDROP
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>>175998504
>now reduced to the server's toilet
>now
>NOW

no, he was always the server toilet
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>>175999371
oh maybe
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Why do you guys play this over WoW?
ToS client run like shit, balance all over the place, even if they fixed the classes there's barely anything to do once you reach lv330
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>>175995814
I thought this was /ss/, but it's just degenerate yurishit.
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>>176000636

wow you mean its like all other mmos im shocked

obviously we play it cause we're girls who like diff flavors
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>>176000636
WoW doesn't let you multiclass and has been casualized to shit. Players endlessly whining about low drop rates and asking for this game's equivalent of welfare legendaries because the real legendary weapons are too hard to get is why I like the game.
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>>176000636
its ugly and not cute. and what >>176000818 said
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>>176000818
The best part of welfare legendaries is they are pure RNG and if you get a bad one or bad roll you might as well reroll or you can't get out of casual tier of raiding :^)
and don't forget your AP :^)
AP grind is way worse than Blessing Shards
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Are there seeds other than the deagle you buy for farming guilds? How do you get them if so? Raids?
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>world of america
This is the typical burguer/wow player
https://youtu.be/WnEIDAOnkj4

No, thanks.
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>>176001648
I'll agree that the current iteration of WoW is shit, but I'm 9/10 Mythic NH and I don't have a good legendary for my spec. People just like to blame their shitty DPS on not having the right legendaries when none of them make more than a 20-30k DPS difference.

You don't even have to AP grind, you get AP from doing shit you'd do normally, like raiding or M+, or LFR and LFD if you're a casual.
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>>176002159
I'm not watching your faggy youtube video fatass. Lose some weight.
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>>176002819
You can't fuck up rotation DPS in WoW anymore and next expansion every class will really have 3 skills per spec, if they do low DPS is because they aren't geared enough and only that
And your welfare legendary+artifact shit makes the difference
Bad legendary/low AP=you don't DPS Mythic.period
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>>176001648
Atleast WoW got plenty of real raid instead of this shitfest called Earth Tower
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>>176003076

ET as a raid is legit, seriously. It's good.

BUT IT'S ONLY ONE, LOL. We need 10 more different raids.
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>>176003132
>DPS checks
>followed by ridiculously tough challenges that can only be cleared by abusing forever-uptime immunity buffs

Keep telling yourself that.
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>>176003132
>ET as a raid is legit
>cheesing whole 40 floor with melstis+ausrine
>need to RMT transcend 10 whalestick to get past hp sponge mob
>legit
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>>176003017
You can easily fuck up even a simple class like Frost DK that literally only has a 3 button rotation, and that WILL mean the difference between hundreds of thousands of DPS.

I have bad legendaries, I'm going on 6 now without even getting the 2nd tier leggo, I still parse in the top 70% for my ilvl on bosses that've been farmed by other guilds for months. If you're doing shit DPS, it's on you and you alone, no matter how much you want to blame everyone but yourself.

AP grinding isn't even a fucking thing yet because only a tiny minority of the lowlifes that play 15 hours a day have it. They've lowered the value of the paragon trait by a fuckload and made it a proc which means you'll have to pay attention to it. I have probably a week until I get my next trait, which will be a 3% armor increase for my DPS spec, wow that'll bring up my DPS by 500-600k. You'll get more AP just doing daily shit and facebook gaming than you'd need for any high end content.
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>>176003132
>5-man
>raid
kek
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>>176003132
What is fucking good about it? Not a single enemy in this game has a mechanic. You just hit HP sponges that might as well have 0 damage because they'll never hurt anyone because of infinite uptime on invincibility.
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FFXIV talking is better than WoW talking
Shadowvewrse talking might be better than both though
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>>176003704
Cards games are trash. Digital card games are even dumber because you can at least get a return on physical cards.

I've never been able to get through leveling in FFXIV. 3 SECOND GLOBAL COOLDOWN.
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>>176003704
all cancer. but maybe that would be ok, if you also post cute or hot girls
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>>176003803
it's like 1.5 seconds but still slow as fuck. Better than the other extreme though, my fingers still have carpal tunnel from mythic raiding as a gladiator warrior in wow with 0.25s gcd.
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>>176003815
How hot or cute?
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>>176004079
>not forte
leave
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Why are people talking about shit MMORPGs again? If it's not EVE, Mabinogi, Ragnarok, or some other pre-WoW era mmo, then is shit by nature. Naturally WoW is included in WoW era mmorpgs.
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>>176004079
i have no idea about that game and dont care, but her 'stats' look alright
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>>176003132
What is fantasy library if it's not a raid? Also there are guild raids of various types.
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>>176004115
>Mabinogi
Never touched this trash because of NEXON.
>Ragnarok
Literal dog shit tier grinding simulator, even MapleStory is better. Shit graphics, shit PvP, shit EVERYTHING.
>EVE
The game is so passive you might as well not even be playing it.
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>>176004245
Are you fucking serious ? You can solo the fantasy library
https://youtu.be/P4l1Ynv3TN0

>guild raids
Another 2fps hp sponge boss just like >>176003583 said
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>>176004270
>MapleStory is better
Maplestory is the definition of a shit weeb mmo. I could understand what people'd see in Runescape or even Graal or something, but what the fuck was ever the appeal of that ox's shite? It's just a fucking 2D Ragnarok with more weeb and shittier graphics.
>Calling NEXON trash but saying Maplestory is good
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>>176004102
>Forte
>Not Aldwina
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>>176003132

ET as a raid is good but it also brought up a big issue with this game. It's only viable for one specific set-up. It's possible to clear it with other builds but modern MMOs require the need for everything to be retard-proof (See FFXIV & WoW) in order for it to be favorable. People ITT for the most part are casuals.
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>>176004692
>Another 20-40+fps hp sponge boss
ftfy
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>>176004798
I didn't say Maplestory was good, I said it was better than Ragnarok. That's how low my opinion of Ragnarok is. At least the skills are fun to fucking use in Maple.

I also have 5000+ hours in Graal from when I was fucking 14, and I was staff on the largest server for a while. Feels fucking weird seeing people talk about it now.
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>>176004804
>not liking big-titty dragon broodmothers
NEED
FOR
BREED
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>>176005528
Forte is a demon chuuni, not a Dragon
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>>176001648
>you might as well reroll
I just looked that up to see how it really works, and that's terrible. That's on the same tier practonium cubes were back when they didn't actually expire.

>>176004245
What's raid even supposed to mean now? Fantasy library and ET don't involve more players than regular dungeons, and raids are usually considered to be large scale events as opposed to normal group ones.
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>>176006564
Raids should be something bigger than "get a couple of people together and bang it out in 30 minutes". It also shouldn't be composition dependent, which I don't think is possible in this game. There's too many classes that're just beyond retarded in a group setting, like Diev, Chronomancer, and Melstasis.

Even using WoW and FFXIV as an example, which are both casual games, you need at least 10-20 people and 2+ hours to finish.
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>>176006779
>It also should be composition dependent

Why? Raids are generally meant to be kinda difficult and part of organizing a raid is getting the right characters. Balance in this game is shit but if you can throw any group of 20 retards together to do any raid then the game's probably just too easy in that situation.
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>>176006564
>What's raid even supposed to mean now?
I never knew what raid ever meant, because I play eastern mmos and not western ones or western copying ones. Over time, I gathered it meant "a large group of people waste their afternoon killing some giant boss to get loot that enables them to waste another afternoon killing a bigger boss". Players of those games tend to try to spin it as if it were some tactical stealth survival mode shogi against deep blue or something.

I understand that there should probably be more people in a group, but guild raids are like hat aren't they?

I was also actually asking what Fantasy Library was, because I thought it was ET 2 up until I saw that video in >>176004692
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>>176006779
>>176006917
With sufficiently large groups you can cover essential classes and then have open spots for bringing anyone. If you have either extreme (composition doesn't matter at all, or you have to have specific classes only with no room for snowflakes) it's really lame. Requiring everyone to play specific classes without flexibility is more lame than making classes irrelevant, though.

ToS composition would feel a lot better with massive groups sharing buffs across everyone, GBL style but with 30+ people, and some quality of life changes and if necessary, diminishing returns added to prevent anything gamebreaking. With just 5 people, you basically have to bring a meticulously planned set of complimentary classes.
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>>176006917
You can't possibly be implying shit like "lol permanent invincibility" is good for the game. I'm talking more in terms of multiple compositions should be good, instead of every composition requiring the same core of builds.

There's so many classes and builds possible in this game, there's no reason some classes of different trees couldn't have similar skills with different flavor. Surely swordies could have some "Inspire" ability that works the same as Haste deep into a tree, or an Archer could have a "Smokebomb" that works similar to World Tree. Instead, every single support ability in the game is shoved into a single build or class, meaning if you want to be in a group, you either play those classes or you play the class capable of the highest damage.
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>>176006779
Why would you want to spend 2 hours pressing buttons in a repeated sequence to kill a boss? >>176007554 here
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>>176007767
You don't kill a single boss moron. You fight multiple bosses that all have different mechanics, appearances, and with a similar theme, all challenging in different ways.
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Just reached 232 with diev miko pd, is it about time to change sets? what should i be changing for? I've been using couple pieces of knight armor.
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>>176007554
Yeah, guild raids are the only thing in this game I'd consider to be true raiding. The problems with guild raids were they used to break if a single person disconnected, the small guild size combined with the declining population created a situation where very few guilds are capable of doing them, and they're all just killing some bosses with absurd amounts of HP for uninspiring rewards. If IMC puts more effort into them, they could add a new dimension to the game.

>>176007767
Good raiding should have group coordination, a strategy you plan out in advance, and tactical calls made during battle. There's a lot of chat during intermissions (which also give people time to go to the bathroom or whatever) and ideally you're friends with people in your group, so it's a social event. The combat itself can be much more complicated because having more people involved allows for having many different tasks being performed at the same time. It appeals to the kind of people who wanted to play in a marching band. Obviously, the practice frequently fails to live up to the theory.
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>>176007839
Actually, thinking about it, I don't know of a single eastern game that has enemies that fight back. Maybe that's why you think it would just be 2 hours of pressing buttons in a repeated sequence. It's like in 20+ years of MMOs, eastern game developers haven't learned to how make enemies that do more than walk up and smack you, or do some unavoidable ranged damage to you.
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>>176008460
FFXIV did a pretty good job copying WoW, and you actually need to learn the mechanic or risk wipe. But yeah gook can't into game design
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>>176008364
This guy is 100% correct, the fun in raiding comes from group coordination, strategy, and calls made during the fight. It's a lot of fun having something to do with your friends, and being able to achieve things that a lot of other people can't do. It gives that feeling of camaraderie that's hard to experience now-a-days.

>>176007839
Here's an example from WoW's current expansion, which is constantly mocked for being the most dumbed down.

https://youtu.be/zmCzULD5LqE?t=5m4s
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>>176008460
What is there to do other than use skills, heal, and attack? Become invincible until you press some buttons? Kill everyone if they attack it at the wrong time or take too long to attack it? Even watching videos, I get the idea it's just some commander nerd telling other nerds to keep attacking and healing so they don't die anyway.

>I don't know of a single eastern game that has enemies that fight back.
So what, are fighting western trash mobs like playing a fighting game or something? Because it looks a lot like trading blows until one of them dies. At least in eastern ones, you get the action type mmorpgs. The most I've seen from western is like that dumb circle strafing type combat. Honesly, I'd rather just play a game with D2's style of combat.
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>>176009042
Explain the video to me. It just looks like a bunch of people attacking a hp wall and not dying. I don't see anything more involved than fighting a Harpiea or Lavenzard at a glance, so explain the amazing mechanics to me and why it's so fun to spend so long killing something.
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>>176009248
Listen to the guy in the video, he explains everything that's happening in the fight.
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>>175999371
>>175998763
>>175996823
>>175996073
>>175996408
>these anons are this butthurt because that they missed the chance themselves

kek
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>>176009338
ugh, I have to listen to youtube people with annoying voices talk? Is he going to explain why dodging circles in this video is more interesting than dodging fire spots in 290?

I mean really, what people want is for for ToS bosses to attack faster and to be able to kill you instantly with their attacks.
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>>176009042
>being able to achieve things that a lot of other people can't do
Wait, why can't they do it? Can they not just follow a guide? If not, then what's the limiting factor? Not having ground enough to get good enough equipment or something? This isn't like winning a RTS/FPS/Fighting game tournament here.
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>>176009563
It's because you're not just dodging circles. There's so much more going on in that fight, and a single person messing up their job, or a single wrong judgement call from means you all die.
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>>176009563
There's some other stuff. Never played WoW but I get the impression there's also some debuff fuckery going on, there's one big add that makes debuffs from the boss on you last longer and a small add that makes them shorter; at a certain phase the boss uses exploding bombs that take a while to go off, so for that point you want the big add alive so he can make the bombs take longer to explode, but at another point you want the small one alive because the debuffs are different. Also some other stuff, it's definitely more involved just nobody in the vid is really messing up and I guess you can't understand the spell effects etc without playing the game.
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>>176009679
Guides can help you see a whole fight, and tell you what to do on all the mechanics, but these are guides in the world of everyone doing everything perfectly every single time. People make mistakes, and you can either recover from your mistake with a good judgement call, or just do the fight over and over again until no one makes a mistake.

What makes an RTS/FPS/Fighting game any more difficult? There's still split second judgements in the boss encounters that can mean the difference between winning or losing. Honestly, until you experience trying to put a raid for difficult content together, you probably won't understand.
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>>176009563
Phase 1.
Hunter or tank with ranged ability needs to pull boss at the start, because she spawns on the person nearest to the center and leaves a circle that will kill anyone that steps in it.

You pull boss and the blue and pink blob together and damage them all, but don't kill the blue blob until the circles that come in spawn because you need the blue blob to slow the circles down to create a small gap for your raid to run through. Run through the gap, kill the pink blob that gives your group a damage buff, and use all your long cooldowns to do as much damage to the boss as possible, but during this time ranged and healers need to move to the wall because the boss is going to spawn a circle under one of them that'll only go away when the boss dies.

The boss will spawn some more rings and blue and pink blobs, but you can't go to the blue blob this time because you need the slow that the first blue blob spawned, so you need ranged to interrupt the spells the new blue blob casts while avoiding rings while the melee interrupt the pink blob. Continue avoiding rings, interrupting adds, and damaging the boss until it hits 15%, don't let it hit 10% without everyone standing on the edge of the room or you'll get a circle near the middle that will kill anyone that touches it for the rest of the fight.
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>>176010408
Phase 2.
Do all the stuff in Phase 1, while the boss is still attacking the tank and damaging the raid instead of giving you some time to breath while spawning rings.

Tanks will now get a bomb debuff on them, and they need to run as far away from the raid as possible or they blow up everyone. The boss shoots laserbeams at players periodically, if the beams overlap, both players with beams die, and you want as few people getting hit by beams as possible.

It also starts spawning orbs that drop in random places in the room, you need ranged to stand where they're falling or the entire raid dies, the ranged will take a huge amount of damage from it, so make sure they're healed up or they die and you won't have enough damage to kill the boss in time. Your ranged players can't take two orbs because the first set put a debuff on them so they take double damage from the next orbs, so you need to cycle between different players to take orbs. All of this is done while doing the stuff from the first phase.

Phase 3.
Do all the stuff from the first and second phase. But now the tanks and random players in the raid get bombs that will all explode at the same time. You run in the pink blob to speed up your explosion and the blue blob to slow it down, you do this to stagger the damage so it's possible to heal through. The boss will also start spamming an ability that does massive damage to the tank, so you need to interrupt it, but don't forget the other interrupts from Phase 1.
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>>176009821
Honestly, it still seems like you're hyping up dodging circles and interrupting instant kill moves as some tactical stealth survival mode shogi against deep blue.

>>176009857
What does "add" mean? a minion?

>>176010043
>What makes an RTS/FPS/Fighting game any more difficult?
Playing against people instead of a predetermined challenge that is ultimately just figuring out a puzzle. As far as those games in general, an RTS is pretty trivial once you figure out how the AI acts and you will never lose. FPS and fighting games aren't really worth calling hard on singleplayer, although sometimes final bosses have "mechanics" (e.g. I-no in GGXX)


Going back to >>176009563 again, thinking about it, lots of bosses have interesting things, even some quests technically have things you should do but you can mostly ignore them. Like even in crystal mines, the, what was it, a specter monarch? Makes a totem thing that makes lightning continuously on you until you destroy it. There's some other times in quests like that too, but since you can usually kill the boss anyway, it never matters and I was never able to figure out what I was suppose to do anyway. Come to think of it, bosses used to spawn like unlimited waves of tiny enemies but that was cut at some point.

But my point is, I don't get why people act like no enemies do anything ever. Is it just the bosses they use later on and in raids never have as interesting skills or what? Because right from the start, bosses have room spanning attacks you need to jump over. So many people got killed in one hit in 50 dungeon and complained about it. They have stuff like the little exploding things that annoying blue thing spits out at you whenever it's not headbutting you to the moon. They spew poison pools everywhere or send out mobile fire pillars.

Even normal mobs have skills, though it's mostly archer and mage mobs that do anything of interest.

>>176010408
>>176010827
So mechanics = instant kill attacks?
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>>176011030
> I don't get why people act like no enemies do anything ever
It's not that the boss never do anything, but the fact that it doesn't matter when you can stack high enough def/mdef to facetank everything, not to mention crapload of invulnerability from clerics
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>>176011030
Add means additional monster, something besides the boss.

>Playing against people instead of a predetermined challenge that is ultimately just figuring out a puzzle.
Everyone always says this, and people aren't much different. All it requires is knowledge about what each class/enemy is capable of and knowing how to counter it.

>dodging circles and interrupting instant kill moves
Everything sounds stupid if you put it in general terms like that. Most mechanics won't instantly kill you, there is some room for error, but they'll do a lot of damage and healers can and will run out of mana if there's too much damage going out.

Also interrupts have cooldowns, so you have to coordinate with your group with who can interrupt what and when.
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Ran out of space in >>176011030

>>176009857
>I guess you can't understand the spell effects etc without playing the game.
>>176010043
>Honestly, until you experience trying to put a raid for difficult content together, you probably won't understand.

These are probably true. It'd probably help if my early idea of MMORPGs was formed by playing those kinds of games too. As it is, I find the idea really, really boring. I also don't want to be commanded by nerds online how to play a game, so I could never do them anyway.

It's too bad my idea of MMORPGs was tainted by ideas like sandboxes and minigames and grinding, since raid and PVP types seem to be what MMOs became. Most eastern ones are boring for various other reasons, like having nothing to do but kill monsters with a crappy battle system. But other ones have actually interesting ideas.

Come to think of it, do western ones even have anything but raids and pvp? I never hear about gimmicks with them. no this mmo has FLIGHT! (Flyff, Aion) this mmo has LOLI PETS!(Aika, Prius) This MMO lets you do ANYTHING!(Mabinogi, Black Desert, ArcheAge)
Eve is sort of a sandbox but so much is automated, there's not much to do but PVP or scan shit.
The only western game I can think of that probably even featured dressing up besides armor is like APB.

>>176011426
>it doesn't matter when you can stack high enough def/mdef to facetank everything, not to mention crapload of invulnerability from clerics
But people don't die anyway with proper healing and performance even with the mechanics in that video. What's the difference? The clerics have to do their jobs of supporting the others either way. The def things is going away, although I call question to their system. I can't think of an mmo where you can't take 1s and like most things with this game, there's probably a reason.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2o97MKYVDE

Someone explain this to me please. What's going on? That clear is fucking crazy.

No bully please.
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>>176012995

guy with stage 10 astra bow demolishes mobs
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Did they remove all the side quests from Tenet Church 2F?
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>>176012330
>What's the difference?
In a proper raid setting everyone need to do the mechanics, because any mistake will put pressure to everyone (especially healer). Healer aren't god where they can put down invulnerability with 100% uptime, they are limited by cast time, cooldown and mp.
Meanwhile in ToS you can bring a diev3+krivis3 and only worry about damage.
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>>176015681
Are you in level? You have to be within 10 levels to do quests that aren't main ones.
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>>176012995
>What's going on?
An eMergency
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>>>/vg/mmog
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>>176021895
Make me
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>>176003583
Mineloader boss was the only one I've seen with a mechanic. Was fun identifying what to do and act on it based on the color laser that was charging. I remember thinking "I wish IMC did this more." The other problem is the deluge of numbers that comes out of high level group gameplay, you can't really see what the boss is doing and read a telegraph. Example is ET 15 where Turtai raises his tail for a slam, which sends out those energy bolts that knock you down
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>>176022901
Top laffo my dude. Mineloader is completely broken. Nobody understood what exactly the purple snare AOE was actually doing.
That plus desynchs and approximate positioning and you never actually knew what to dodge and how to dodge it.
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>>176012995

qs super high atk speed, he uses mosntrance scroll and lv 10 kneeling shot fhr the aspd memes

maxed astra bow (orange 315 bow), lots of damage. mergen skills depends on aoe ratio, falconer c1 fixes this.

I think the only interesting thing he did is using the partian shaft skill or I'm crazy?
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>>176005932
Kek that musketeer in the end being the one making that whole in the monster.

Is this monk bullying?
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>>176012995
Welp, this makes it clear that I definitely won't be going QS3.
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I finished farming those yellow caro antenna for the bow, finally.
Three of the last four drops took more than 1000 kills.
Now I'm free.
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>>176012995
QS3 seems pointless here. He just uses it for single target filler when everything else is down.
With A3 can't he just use twin arrows for that?
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>>176007768
>Archer could have a "Smokebomb" that works similar to World Tree
Hey! I have that on my RogueC2 and use it regularly for defnesive manuevers on ET.

The game has so many skills even theorycrafters like you can't remember them all.
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is this game pay to play?
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>>176027907
no
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>>176027907

Nope. Free. You only pay for some extra qtness, but even costumes can be bough with in game currency from other players
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>>176022836
not needed
you'll be there soon :^)
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>>176025338
>Is this monk bullying?
Yes!
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>get the turbo awakening to awaken stuff
>white gear takes only one wave and the boss
>tfw 10 minutes cooldown

does laima help?
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>>176030342
Yeah because this game will be dead soon
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J8_iJXrIu0&t=190s

Is Sapper a good class?

Was thinking of going QS3 but this doesn't seem to bad.
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>>176032782
a pyrothaum would've killed golem in like 15 seconds

I want a build like this to work but it's just ass, a machinegun dex build seems to work better
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>>176033090
He has very low attack.
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>>176030342
>>176031526
You said that 3 and like 5+ Months ago too.


>steamchart.bmp
Yes, we know them.
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>>176033316
yeah I was wondering what the +10 default musket was about
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>>176033316

Not him. But please elaborate. Was it the gears?
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>>176032782
>>176033316
>>176033923
>crap jewels
What a baka.. 270 White Weapon isnt that bad tho
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>>176034117
He has one of the welfare Kupole weapon.
This attack is pretty low in renewal, considering it's mediocre even before it.
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>>176035014
>>176034152
>>176034117
Oh, it the attack of a 315 White. Only a bit worse than a PractWeapons and better than anything <Lv300
But yes, not a great Weapon
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>>175982973
>Active farming still gets gold faster than any crafting class

Other than Saalus and and 290 rush, what other active farms are there?
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>>176035340
>315 White
Dude he's 296.
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>>176035427
And these Weapons scales with Level. At his Level it has the same Attack as a 315 White. Check ktest neets.
They are 'better' then anything under 300 we got now.
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>>176008158
pls help
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>>176008158
Grynas plate is a safe choice that could carry you through the rest of the game
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>>176035363
I can only think of Timerys, Dina and 2F is a no-go for obvious reasons.
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>>176035363
orange mat farming
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>>176036226
I'm pretty new, what is this? I'm guessing some mat for end game gear. But where do you get that? Is thauma mandatory for this?
>>176035870
I'll look this up, what's 2F?
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>>176036387
Thauma's not mandatory, no. It can help though, since you can effectively double your drops per hour though

2F is the second floor
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iCBT1 and iCBT2 player here
Is it still lagging or the servers are a bit good now?
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>>176036387
>Is thauma mandatory for this?
Yes.
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>>176036543
Oh yeah, I meant second floor of where? Dina 2F? sorry if I sound stupid, I don't know these places just yet, just gathering information to look stuff up
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>>176035363
I mean literally running around and killing shit is better. Anywhere you can kill things quickly. The Kalejimas areas are pretty good and the city maps above the inner wall areas. Areas with gimmicks about killing monsters have largish populations of monsters. Hunting grounds are okay if you sell the equipment you get. People rarely put effort into field grinding. It's not that bad. Red mobs start happening and give you lots more to kill, and you get the occasional gold and silver mob that gives you thousands of k.

If you just want to run dungeons, do the 240 instead of rushing 290.

>>176036226
You could probably make the same just making potions in that time, but getting rare drops of any kind is fine too.

>>176036387
He means the second floor of demon prison, the other place people afk at. You could probably run around demon prison or second demon prison too.
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>>176036546
way better than the icbts
I was getting like 2000 ping back then, I'm getting like 80 now
Its definitely more playable
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>>176036543
Thauma literally doubles your money/time ratio, you don't farm orange mats without it.
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>>176036639
Thanks. A friend and i will try it soon enough.
Wish they fucking fix the balancing issues though.
I swear if the code gets open sourced ill host a server.
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>>176037034
Better make accounts right now so when you play market restriction will expire.
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>>176037034
>make private server
>still nothing to do end game
Even if you let TBL and GvG go on for 24 hours, it'll still get stale.
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>>176035340
>>176035014

So then it wasn't an issue with the Sapper Class?

I'm actually more interested in this than going QS3.

In this video he went Archer C2 Sapper C3 Rogue C1 Musketeer C2
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Returning player here.
Is ToS still that active?
by players i mean.
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>>176040127
Yes
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>>176040127
No
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Should I max Mastema or Pole of Agony? A brief explanation on the choice would be greatly appreciated.
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>>176040568
lancer??
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>>176040657
>pvp
LOL
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>>176040930
>it's actually the third strongest dps build after doppel/fencer for swords
Wrong. And it's even worse than that since it has no useful support/debuff skills.
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>>176040127
Maybe
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>>176040930
What's good lancer build?
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>>176041056
Wake the fuck up and stop living in the iToS patch
and it has an armor break debuff
All theory crafting is exclusively ktos
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>>176040445
>Mastema
Damage and DoT are ok now. and both very strong in rebalance
max it or 5 8 9 points into it

>Pole of Agony
kinda weak and long CD now. less CD and ok dmg later in rebalance
maybe worth maxing in rebalance. only 1 or 2 or 3 or leftover points in it now
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>>176041198
You don't need to make a gimpeg ktos build in itos since we'll be getting resets anyway.
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>>176041345
Thank you kind stranger.
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https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/items/253306
>Sockets: 0/1
Is this correct? Shouldn't it have 2 sockets?
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>>176040127
yes and just play the game
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>>175880552
daily reminder that there will be a rank reset soon
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>>176041691
1 or more sockets.
Some people said it was (max sockets shown * 2) sockets after appraisal but it doesn't seem to be true
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>>176042057
Why doesnt it seem to be true?
The initial update with appraising mentioned that it can only go up to double the original amount and nothing more than that
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>>176042210
I don't remember but somebody had a bow with more than two sockets.
And two handed weapons in general should have more than 2 sockets anyway.
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>>176040752

This is the only one "pve" lancer build. Works quite well. And can pvp.
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>>176025338
>musketeer
???
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Why does nobody like's stone curse? wouldn't it be right there with sleep if you just invest 1 point into it and buy the attribute?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtLjjC-kQ8A
>when an absolute madman ends up ragequitting
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>>176045657
rank 1 debuff
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>>176045657
Enemy affected y it take way less damage, like only 20%
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>>176045672

>muh 30000000 sustain infinite dps character will be balanced now

top kek.
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>>176045672
That's just plain stupid.
He could have given away those or hell even fucking sold them.
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>>176046082
from magic?
>>176045956
In PvE
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>>176047143
>from magic?
From everything.
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>>176047143
>In PvE
You don't need CC in pve in this game to be honest my dude.
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Huh, I was just in a party with an Appraiser and I didn't know Forgery lets you share all of your accessories. I thought it was like one at a time. Appraiser shared her Sissels and Max Peta with us, it was pretty cool.
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>>176047290
How long does it last though?
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So I used to play but got bored one day and never logged back in, is coffeehouse and capyba still around or is it kill?
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>>176047476
It was like 5 minutes long, pretty okay.
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>>175927783
>Tell me your server
he literally did tho
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What's the range of miko's clap and what does it affect other than diev statues?
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>>176047476
100% uptime at level 5
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>>176045672
>Waaaah diev PD will be fair

Good riddance. Out of all the builds in the game that's one of the lamest, just combining two broken class trees with little synergy.
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Ibre Plateau won't give me quests what the fuCK
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>>176045657
>CC
>in PvE
>with 100% uptime on invincibility

PLAY THE GAME
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>>176052481

CC is important for Et, retard. Frost Pillar and Sleep.
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>>176052481
Good luck making objects that need to be protected take ausrine
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>>176053565
Barriers + mad deeps.
Mad DPS + Immunity > *
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>>176053650
>barrier
>not crowd control
???
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>>176053740
It doesn't count. Everyone can cast barriers.
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>>176053916
Not for long
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>>176054025
NOW THEY'LL APPRECIATE ME
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>>176054025
They aren't removing skill scrolls any time soon
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>>176054297
Yeah but they nerfed Barrier natural size and gave Paladin an attribute to double the now shitty default one.
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>>176054297
>>176053916
>>176053650
But they got nerf'd
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>>176052548
I agree, but not Stone curse tho, too many downsides for too little benefit
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>>176054421
Why not just have two to five people use barriers then?
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>>176054421
>Yeah but they nerfed Barrier natural size
Oh did they?
Anyone have a screenshot of the new default size?
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>>176055016
You already do in some scenarios
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Wow. I'm starting to hate this game now.

It's bad enough low level dungeons are a desert, it's fucking sadistic to deduct the failed run from your 2 daily dungeon runs.

Fuck that guy whoever left me in that dungeon alone.

IMC and their restrictive policies are no joke.
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how's the optimization?
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>>176055134
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>>176055607
TOP FUCKING LEL
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>>176055508
>2 daily dungeon runs
Go be poor somewhere else.
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>>176055847

>Paying $10 for a company known to choke its users

Yeah, I'll be buying better things than shell out a dime for this dumb company.
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>>176055508
People could solo dungeons with shit gear back at release, why can't you?
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>>176055607
I want to see people do that maven quest where you gotta protect that bitch with this
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>>176055594
Nonoptimal.
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>>176056626

Some could but not everyone. Your not making a good point.
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>>176057038
I'm making the point that >>176055508 is a shitter.
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>>176055974
Tokens are like 2 million silver, you can get that in 3 days tops if you're not retarded
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>>176057385

Oh so hardcore. Guess I'm a casual. Did you also name your character Kirito?
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>>176057560
Nah, not if you are brand new. Prob takes about a week if you play daily.
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At 320+ people still don't know about kabba's SP recovery meme.
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>>176058015

pro kabbas lands ein soifs without people even knowing what happened
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>>176057807
you can be poor and you can be casual but being both in an mmo is just going to make you eternally butthurt.
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>>176054421
>>176055607

PalaPardoners BTFO forever.
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>>176058774

Radical. Give me some tips how to be >(You)
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>>176055508
Oh no, a penalty for failing in a video game? How could they ever do such a thing? Faggots who leave out of laziness are scum, but their behavior isn't IMC's fault. It's IMC's job to punish leavers by taking away their runs.
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>>176055508
>it's fucking sadistic to deduct the failed run
I've never played an MMO were this wasn't the case.
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>>176055607
I don't understand. Do they not realize or just not care how much this effects some builds? Paladin Pardoners might as well be removed, and literally no one is going to make a Paladin for Barrier, Paladin is just too fucking bad to be worth including in anything.
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>>176060563
Paladin is bad precisely because barrier can be scrolled and the defensive+healing buffs it offers aren't needed due to ausrine melstis, Paladin could see use as a hybrid class with these changes. Also skill scrolls and buff shops offering other classes skills were a mistake.
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>>176052447
Are you level 228+?
Have you talked to the guy on the bridge?
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>>176049005
And Miko for the added "fuck anyone having an actual hard counter to this bullshit."
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>>176060563
>I fucking hate changes and being forced out of my comfort zone

>>176060913 is correct. Paladins are bad precisely because they're a scrollable class.
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Scrolls should be restricted from class defining spells. Like fuck scrollable barrier has the same logic of scrollable pass, transmit prana or lifeline.
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>>176060913
>>176061470
No, Paladin is bad because it has literally nothing to offer other than Barrier. Their damage is shit, even by defensive class standards, their utility outside of Barrier is worthless, and it requires 3 circles.
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>>176061758
Except Lifeline and Pass isn't the only benefit Linker and Chrono have. Paladin is NOTHING without Barrier. Chrono and Linker are also useful in almost every situation, where as Barrier is only useful in a very tiny niche situation yet requires 3 circles in a useless class. Don't you DARE compare those good classes to the pile of burning shit that is Paladin.
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>>176061847
It offers 50% boost to healing, 20% chance to outright nullify all non-dark monsters attacks, and also boosts God Smash damage as a plus. Turn Undead also is on a long CD but succeeds fairly often, and again Barrier is super good.
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>>176059009

?

Pala Pardoner is the new meta, they can use the skill and the scroll.
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>>176061758
Barrier is about the only worthwhile skill you can scroll, though. Scrolls should cost less so that people would make/sell/buy them for more common skills.

>>176061847
Barrier is good enough that you'd want to bring a Paladin just for the Barrier, though. Doppels are pretty useless outside Cyclone, and Chronomancers would be pretty ordinary without Pass or the speed buff.
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>>176062112

>what is monstrance and cure
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>>176062083
>50% boost to healing
Wow so useful when 100% uptime invincibility exists
>20% chance to outright nullify non-dark monster attacks
Wow so useful when 100% uptime invincibility exists
>Boosts God Smash damage
Doesn't matter because you'll never even come close to helping damage because every other class does literally 200x more.
>Turn Undead
WEW LAD
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>>176062342
>100% uptime invincibility exists

So again you're being a retard and applying current patch logic to the theoretical post patch Paladin thanks for confirming.
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>>176055594
It's playable on an i5 with an integrated videocard, doesn't get much more optimal than that.
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>>176062342
>Wow so useful when 100% uptime invincibility exists
But where barrier scrolls are useless it doesn't.
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>>176062483
I'm just warning you. I will never take you in my party if you waste 3 circles on that shit class. You can only bring 5 people, not wasting a spot on a class that'll be useful 1% of the time.
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>>176062724
>my party
Your party is irrelevant.
>>
Ausrine on C5 was a mistake.
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>>176062815
Yeah okay, let me know how high you've been in ET. I can guarantee I've seen triple the amount of floors you have.
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>>176062856
>Oracle C3 Foretell
>Rank 8
>Max 58% chance to block attacks
>Lasts 15 seconds, but you have to keep moving with it
>Meanwhile Ausrine is r5, lasts 20 seconds, blocks 100% of shit, and only requirement is running in a circle around a statue

Seriously what the fuck?
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>>176063093
That's just Foretell being shit, compare Aursine with Druid'd Sterea
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>>176063027
So now you're claiming to have explored R9+ content. Yeah, you're irrelevant.
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>>176063093
SHUT THE FUCK UP KIM KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING
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>>176063248
That's true but you can't extend Sterea. Then again that's more a problem with Melstis than Ausrine which is also being nerfed so eh. I hope Druid is actually good post patch, fun class but PD2 puts it to shame unfortunately.
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i can do decent damage
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>>176063404
>PD2 puts it to shame unfortunately
Just because Druid has (had) no aoe, the change to make 1 hit count for 8 mobs is fucking great.
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>>176063468
>boy
No party for you.
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>>176063468
Sure you can champ. Maybe next season.
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>>176063404
I wish Cleric was worthless. It's cancer that ruined this game with their multiple forms of invincibility bullshit.
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>>176062856


Game would be much more balanced with Paladin being a R3 class, Monk R4 and Diev r5.
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>>176063468

Majipaji cheer up!
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>>176063845
should remove cleric entirely desu
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>>176064120
>>176063468
should remove boys entirely desu
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>>176066116

Should remove girls, especially mean ones!
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So why exactly aren't you playing Wugushi, anon!?
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>>176067073
it's shit
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https://tos.neet.tv/attributes/315001
Does this also affect the range of your skills or just the AA range? That's pretty expensive actually.
>>
Bunnies are for breeding with
>>
I'm coming with some newfriend question;
I startes playing a few days ago and Im currently the spear warrior class, leveling with some friends. Early on we oneshot everything because we were like 8 levels above the mobs, but we're currently level 45 and the zones are recommended for 53+, is this intentional or should Ive spent a few levels grinding? Been doing all the blue quests and repeated a few of the green quests I've seen.
Also warrior seems fun, but I feel like I'm lacking proper AoE abilities, do I need to git gud?
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>>176069554
post prove
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>>176069664
Get to level 50 then queue for the dungeon.
Dungeon queues are pretty dead outside of prime time so plan according to it.
> I feel like I'm lacking proper AoE abilities
That's just how Hoplite works, you'll get an ok aoe on Hoplite3.
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>shitposting about someone who isnt T1
>who has proven to beat meta builds with sheer willpower
>can 2 hit beet's inquisitor AND HAS DONE SO multiple times
>beet can only win if he hides in ausrine and only approaches during ausrine otherwise he runs away until its back on rotation
>needing to be a tryhard against a squire3
for fucks sake, join our guild on klaipeda because we're lonely without our friends!

whisper Agapi or threejane
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>>176069664
Did you do map exploration? Be sure to collect your exp cards from the Vaivora girls. Hoplite gets spear throw which is aoe sort of if you go C3. If you dont go C3, you'll probably get it from Doppel's cyclone or Dragoon skills
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>>176069664
It's intentional. The "level reset" is at lvl 51.
See the leveling graph picture related.

It makes it so there is an increasing challenge in every "arc" of adventuring.

Then after the challenge it resets to easy again to ramp up once more. It makes it so it's not a continuous bullshit of leveling and feels nice.
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>>176069664
you dont need to grind before 200. and maybe not after. just do many quests and dungeons and missions(after 100)
mobs up to 10 lvl higher is fine
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>>176069939
>The "level reset" is at lvl 51
No it's not, it's at 46.
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>>176069664

There are two starting towns. In town you can buy a warp scroll to the other town which also has a lot of maps with quests.
If you do both quest lines you'll keep up in level with the areas.

Also 100% explore every map you visit, you get exp cards for doing this.
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Quick question, why are my kills not counting?
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>>176070050
Woops sorry. Mis remembered. But yeah they're lvl 45. Means they are at the part where leveling is harder.
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>>176045672
He's going to regret that monkey decision, he probably is already.
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>>176070119

Are you on Netanmalek? Killing Royal mausoleum's Medakia's don't work
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>>176070760
I couldn't find that place in here>
https://tos.neet.tv/zones/world-map

I have no idea where it is
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>>176070931

Oh. It's the hunting fround.

Go to Orsha and then -> Woods of Linked bridges. In this map (it's a low level map) you will find a portal northeast.
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Assuming I'm a poor Rodelero. Which attribute form Mrumillo should I prioritize? Repeated hits for Shooting Star or the other one for Targe Smash, Shield Bash and etc? I'm pelt c1 and I don't have interest on the pelt skills one.
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>>176071881
>Assuming I'm a poor Rodelero. Which attribute form Mrumillo
That is really.. bad, ya know?
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>>176072570

I have some money...

3.5m for the headbutt strike debuff
10m for the rodelero skills (or the repeated attack for shooting star, I can't get both now) and a few more for 25% headbutt/scutum damage.
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*cuts you'r pipi*
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Cats doesn't play anymore ?
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>>176074693

Umm... You'll need this!
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>>176075286
No Sir, soon Lady, small equipment for small problem.
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>>176076431

It's not small... Or a problem!
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>>176076590
Research documents says its "Micro" but not a problem soon.
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Saalus cubes are starting to accumulate within me again like before they became tradeable.
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>>176077331

You are very rude!
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On Ktest it says you can use Transmit Prana with no target and you get a Psycho property damage boost, does it also give the stat boost to yourself if you have no target?
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>>176074693
why's there a shop for that, but not a shop for this?
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>>176080896
Alch crafts should be sold in shops too.
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FALCON PUNCH!
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>>176081107
not that anon, I mean like this
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Isn't this game too boring ?
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>>176081842
>Rank 9 Hidden Class, Requires Thaum3, Swell em
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>>176081842
A shop to sell sorc bats?
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will this game be good after patch? how are koreans liking it?
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>>176082210
not that! You know...this!
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>>176082558
I cannot wait for tanning shop, anon!
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>>176083005
Same, I can't wait to gas all the brownies and brown sympathizers.
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>>176083578
Why do you want to gas yourself?
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>>176083005
Anon please, I don't know how to be more clear about this!
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>>176083848
>he actually wants to live
look at this fucking moron and laugh
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>>176083005
>tanning shop
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>>176086390
dumb diev3 dropping all her tools
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>>176087093
clearly a diev1 considering how careless she is
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What did you achieve today anon?
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>>176090860

Managed to muster the will to log on.
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>>176090860
I could have my pract weapon except I have to sit with a thumb up my ass waiting for Practonium. What a great mechanic.
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>>176090860
Didn't logged for Artilonium runs and then one member of the my ET patty also couldn't come and warned us on Discord so i didn't logged at all
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https://tos.neet.tv/items/644034

Is the drop rate on that card accurate with your guys' experience? That seems like an awfully low number considering how many are in the market at any given time.
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>>176090860
I stopped farming for that when I decided to reset to Musketeer.
I'm almost done farming, I just need the Kugheri masks.
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>>176096220
I'm almost done farming for my Emengard Musket*
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Where were you when Priest3 became god?
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>>176096343
Is Exorcise good without ME in the patch? Right now, it's useless if you don't go Chaplain.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtnJudOv9BE
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>>176096343
>>176096449
Is chap monk a thing?
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>>176096776
Meh, most of the damage was done by Sadhu..I know right..Now, give some SPR, Blessing could work in favor of Monk.
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is cross guard cool?

should i level this skill to look cool?
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>>176098160
>>176098403
When will IMC ever let Cross Guard work with 2H spears? ; ;
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>>176099506
spears are not cool anon.
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Three Clerics? THREE!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H52623QrNpg
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>>176060082

Dragon Nest didn't count failed entries. They needed keys though. And it's also per dungeon limit.
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>>176100391
No. This is faked. Shooped. Edited.

The meme says DmgClerics are dead and all of them rage quit!!!!!!!1
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>>176100391
The good thing here is that you don't need Diev3 anymore to finish Solmiki. Meaning, every (rational) build can work on that shitty tower now.
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>>176100391
It's strange how often Koreans use skill scrolls compared to NA players, they even carry reversi skill scrolls for the slime part and I see people bringing pole of agony scrolls sometimes too.
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>>176059779

>Faggots who leave out of laziness are scum, but their behavior isn't IMC's fault. It's IMC's job to punish leavers by taking away their runs.

I know I'm posting in a thread about a fucking MMO which has a ton of shut-ins but this is fucking stupid. I agree that leavers should be punished for leaving their teammates hanging but in no way leaving always equates to being a scum. Sometimes you just don't have control over things and there is such a thing as an emergency.

Failing to account for such in this day and age just equates to bad design. No, it's not fucking casual if you make your system spare those who didn't leave. It's called being reasonable.
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>>176102594
I want a Tini Doll too chibi girl but we have to let that dream go.
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>>176101332
You never needed Diev3 only retards need it
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How viable are priest / plague doctors in the patch?
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>>176102593
>Failing to account for such in this day and age just equates to bad design. No, it's not fucking casual if you make your system spare those who didn't leave. It's called being reasonable.

What did you expect really. I'm not surprised people here are unironically cocksucking IMC.
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>>176100391
PD2 bad?
WATCH THIS
*posts video of 4x pract whale with stage 10 heart of glory on Korean server with maxed attributes*

JELLY SWORDKEKS?!
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>>176102593
>Faggots who leave out of laziness are scum
>out of laziness
>emergency
Laziness isn't an emergency. Are you having trouble reading? Or are you telling me that when you need to call your mom to refill your cheetos, it's such a dire emergency beyond your control that you can't even bring your orange-stained fingers up to the keyboard to warn the group?

The system already forms groups of 5, which is enough redundancy in case one or two have to leave. If you click on the partial group button, then you're telling the game you're strong enough to do it without a normal group. So what are you complaining about? It sounds like you deliberately clicked the "I could solo this" button, proceeded to suck at the game, and are now trying to call the game unreasonable because you want to blame someone else for your own mistake.
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>>176100391
but this is japanese
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just
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Do we still have no translated info on all the new kTOS skills? I just want to know what Gung Ho, Reflect Shield etc. do in the future.
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>>176106608

My read is perfectly fine. You should consult your own argument and align in with the problem/topic at hand. You basically agreed that it was ok to have such punishments while countering the logic of punishment that IMC implemented in the same fucking sentence.

Seek help now.
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>>176108490
>while countering the logic of punishment that IMC implemented in the same fucking sentence.
Are you talking about the part where I asked whether getting a cheetos refill from your mom is a dire emergency? I was actually sarcastically insulting you there.
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>>176108667
>Are you talking about the part where I asked whether getting a cheetos refill from your mom is a dire emergency? I was actually sarcastically insulting you there.

Oh sure the system does take into account that EVERY leave is a lazy cheetos refill "emergency".

Get IMCs dick out of your mouth for a second and use your fucking brain once.
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>tfw have no thauma but can farm orange mats relatively fast
is it really worth making a whole new character and spending 15+ million silver into attributes / gear to farm with joint penalty cooldown? not to mention the few days it takes to get from lvl 1 to 317+
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Where do I learn the Pistols ability as a sworduck?
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>>176112180
Corsair master
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why is heart of glory priced so high when skull is clearly a better choice?
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>>176113992
I thought all swordies could use pistols now?
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>>176114302
You thought wrong.
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fedi ch3 is such a ghetto... ... .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6QIiWoMIU

doppels on suicide watch

>>176114065
because renewal. HoG will give much more matk than skull smasher ( all maces are now is a hybrid atk/matk weapon)
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Oh shit, I gotta do that green penguin thing.

...

Oh shit, that involves actually making a facebook account. Fuck, this isn't worth it, is it.
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>>176116013
thats a fencer
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>>176116013
Glass mole stacking
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>>176116119
what green penguin thing?
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>>176116810

I think that's the point. He's like "look at how good Fencer is now" and implying Doppels are bad in comparison.
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>>176117179
oh, so he's retarded?
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>>176116013
>3 crits out of Prepared Flash
That's not being good that's being lucky, his next one only critted one time.
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>>176117367

he still had lunge, 2x sept, a second balestra and au fer to use

the thing about fecer nos iw... no weapon cap and the damage mods are as good as all the other classes, with epee being a plus rng mega boost.

while deeds...
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>>176117826
>while deeds...
It's always 33% damage boost vs 50% on lucky crits.
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>>176117894

that's assuming you're giving up 15 skill points in deeds instead of boosting your other skills %, right?

It's ok now that cyclone 1 and 15 lasts 5.5 seconds and the scaling is shit and deeds also boost your early rank spells, but it's not just "go deeds 15 skill reset" anymore
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>>176118179
well thankfully we can reset into fencer! I might. I like dop but IMC keeps nerfing it so I see no point in playing it after rebalance.
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>>176118179
Yeah, because Fencer can max all lunge, 2x sept, balestra and flash right?
It's like you need to chose carefully which skill to max now.

Deeds > Epee, that's a fact.

>>176118251
>well thankfully we can reset into fencer!
If you're ok with close to no aoe go ahead.
Also that guy has whale tier attack, a doppel with that can do the same.
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>>176118356
>a doppel with that can do the same.
I doubt that because we've only seen a glitchy highlander using vertical slash do similar numbers and no doppel ability scales that well. I'm open to evidence but so far we haven't seen it.
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>>176118482
Well I've seen one killing it with just Redel and Zucken, look for it.
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>>176118540
ok I will, but I have no clue where to begin
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>>176118686
It was a full 290.
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>>176118737
tried but couldn't find it. found others, but nothing as good as that fencer.

unrelated question though: are the attribute costs reduced in the rebalance? is ktest values accurate? It looks like everything still has 100 levels so most of us will not even reach 50% in the rebalance?
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>>176119450
>attribute costs reduced
No, they are the same but you need to purchase attribute points for them
1 attribute point = 1k silver.
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>>176119531
well that sucks
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no one posts at these hours anymore?
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>>175977751
>>175977751
>>175977751

new thread
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>>176122381
haha no
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>>176122381
fuck off doom poster
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>>176122381
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>>176124341
luvdisk looks like a nipple
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>>176124850
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new thread >>176124850
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>>176125030
>>176124931
can you not add stupid shit in the OP? fucking nigga
i dont care about removing cnl
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