/agdg/ - Amateur Game Dev General

>>175747631
i like that pic much more than the stupid anime shit

blurst for doing your best each and every day

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Demo Day is almost here!

You are gonna make it this time, right?

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>>175747695
no, it's gone for good this time

>nyaa sukebei died
>hundreds of obscure japanese dlsite porn games lost forever
>can't steal assets from them anymore

truly a sad day

>>175747780
No, but mostly because I'm having really hard time making the level generation system of my game.

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pls help
I think I fucked up

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I'm thinking of making a visual novel with some token "gameplay" tucked in to attract the kind of people who don't normally play VNs, à la Ace Attorney but with a high school setting. Should I go forward with it?

>>175748053
How about some clues as to what the fuck your problem is?

/noobdev/ here, using Unity.

should i learn and use the Unity UI features to make my buttons instead of just making them gameobject and coding them my way? what are the advantages?

my buttons will need to be:
-pixelperfect and pretty
-move around the 2D scene
-have "drag to target" properties. Think Heartstone targeting system.This mean i will have to differentiate between clicking and releasing elsewhere.

>>175748358
Segmentation fault

>>175748392
Gonna need more than that.

>>175747631
I don't know if you're the only one making OPs but please remove the "mayang.com/textures" link because it's a dead domain.

>>175748347
definitely not

>>175747695
>>175747885
The owner removed the site for good because he's scared about a recent law change in EU where the server is.
Some people are building mirror sites based on old database snapshots though.
It's a sad day.

>>175747715
I'll be making anime OP threads from now on just to make you mad

>>175748347
Ace Attorney's gameplay is still quite fundamental to its design, more so than it might seem in a casual look at the games. They're not just VNs with gameplay thrown in.
If your gameplay really is just token then it's not going to attract anyone. Just make a VN if that's what you wanna do.

>tfw finally working on my gdd
>suddenly my game starts to become an organized concept that follows a structure instead of being a pile of notes behind a tech demo

Huh

>>175748417
I've commented out my whole main func body and that shit still shows up.

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>>175748672
you shitting me right?
and I've been refreshing the fucking pages like an idiot whole day
fuck where am I supposed to get 2ns season of Oregairu?
and this shit happens right as I get hooked on something after fucking years of not watching anything...

>>175748828
Sounds like it worked before. Try restarting your computer.

If you're still having problems, you may have some corrupt system files and need to repair them (look it up) or format / reinstall.

But I don't know any specifics. Get googling those error messages / .dll files, don't download anything shady

>>175748417
>>175748828
Shit works fine when I run it though, it's just the debugger spazzing the fuck out.

>>175748904
just go to the irc channel of your sub group you've been downloading and get it from their bots

if you don't know who is subbing the 2nd season of the show just check the channels of some of the groups they will have it in the join message what they are planning

or just ask /a/ on a thread

>>175749332
>irc
Gross

>>175749332
remember the bubs group, gonna try looking it up myself first
damn this is shit, that site was good

>>175749445
>not-irc
gross

>>175749002
Oh, weird. Also you should have said that from the start (not that I can help you).

>>175749504
4chan is not IRC

>>175749453
>>175749445
well when I used mirc it wasn't much slower to type xdcc send #1, read the .txt, then xdcc send the number i wanted, let it wait in queue and dwonload when ready because mirc auto-accept transfer requests, not much worse than go to website in web browser, search the show, copy the torrent / magnet url., and paste into torrent client. except that with irc download you can watch it while it downloads because it isn't in random byte order, back when internet speed was only 512kb adsl1 that was useful

0-4 - opening menus/design
5-9 - work on camera transitions

>>175750016
hah, fell for the boring shit

>>175749791
Can you set up an RSS feed that automatically downloads the shows you want as soon as they come out on mIRC?

0-1 - anime
2-5 - shaders
6-9 - drawing

0-4 work
5-10 fap

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Currently working on some HUD stuff

+ Icons for cores, husks and shards. They're a little boring, I'd like to make them dance/bounce a little bit, but I have to see about doing vertex animation on the actual UI material because hand-keying the animations every time I use an icon will be nightmarish.

+ Save system updated to remember the "actual on-hand counts" for Cores, Core Husks, and Core Shards. Where before we only calculated world totals collected, now we also have the current count available TO the player (for opening worlds and for synthesis). There's also an HUD display for this which updates whenever one of the Core components is collected.

+ Implemented the Core Synthesis "mechanic". It's not actually an active process; basically, 20 shards + 1 husk becomes a core. I wanted a way of making that process clear to the player without them having to go talk to some NPC or engage in some pointless button-pressing task to actually "craft" the fucking things, because I hate games with crafting systems. There's a little animation on the HUD that makes it clear what's happening, so the numbers hopefully don't feel like they're arbitrarily changing when you collect a husk ("wait, why do I still have zero? Didn't I just get one?")

I still have to do some edge-case testing with this; the increment/decrement mechanics are all done via bluff numbers and the final on-hands are updated simultaneously at the end of the count, so even if you yank the power cord out of your system mid-countdown, you shouldn't be able to "lose" half of the materials. The issue is what happens if you collect a shard/husk, the countdown starts, and you quit; you'll have all of the parts to make a core but the process won't be triggered.

>>175750391
:(((

>>175750420
Please take a look at how to mix colors

0-9 i'm actually only shitposting and never had any intention to do anything, that's why i put in options not related to dev

>>175750464
Where to start?

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>>175750589

>>175750315
yeah okay, not exactly but if you were going to do that you would script it except you wouldn't use rss

becasue most channels irc bots send an automated message like

>[email protected]> added [Weeb]IWantMySister.Ep12.DEADBEEF.mkv send /msg weeb XDCC SEND 432 to get it while its hot

so you'd just write an mirc script that scrapes those messages and sends the command, and have mirc auto-accept send requests, and you'd get the same effect as the rss feed torrent so long as you left your pc on all the time to catch the message

if you can code a video game you can code an irc bot

>>175748383
>Unity
>pixelperfect and pretty
>2D
no

>>175750715
I'm somewhat familiar with color theory, I thought you meant something else by "mixing".

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>tfw I realize we are all procedurally generated beings

>>175750715
color wheels are fucking terrible
literally set back color theory by a hundred years

>>175750940
Let's see your color.

>>175750923
wow...
gamedev

>>175750940
They strike me as a sort of "circle of fifths" for colors; a thing that's moderately interesting for a few specific uses but that people insist on treating as a compositional answer key, and producing absolute dogshit as a result.

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>>175751016
muh color schemes

>>175751048
>tfw the color wheel and google's material design shit and boner for pastels ruined graphical design forever

>>175751604
literally my mom's analogous colors
>>175751746
unironically fuck material design

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>It's a low poly/pixel graphics rogue-lite with procedurally generated levels built using Unity

>>175750923
For the longest time I only knew that as a fractal. Shit blew my fucking mind when I saw it in person.

HEY ITS THAT FRACTAL WHAT THE FUCK

>>175751867
You getting enough sunlight, Anon?

>>175751867

The "I'm only here to make a quick buck" starter pack

>>175751915
Fractals are a great way to generate a lot of content with just a little bit of code aka DNA.

>>175751867
set in space!

>>175751867

Procedural content is the biggest scam and for some reason players still see it as a feature and not a massive red flag for low effort and repetitive gameplay.

Pros:
>INFINITE LEVELS
Cons:
>None of them are good

>literally just came out of a fractal and you guys are talking about this

>>175752284
The trouble is people use it because it's less effort.

If someone put as much work into their generation than they would have had to put into designing a suite of levels, it might actually be good.

>>175752284
Idea for a game: a ten-level game with 40 levels, and every time you play a new save each level is randomly selected from one of 4 possible options.

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>get in contact with artist I like to get some art for my game (backgrounds)
>doesn't care much for bartering, the same fixed price for every individual commission regardless of complexity
>ask if I could get 10% off the whole thing because I'm commissioning 20-30 pieces
>"lol no"

Why are artists such jews?

>>175752538
There is no guarantee you'll actually buy all 20-30 pieces (because knowing indie devs they'll drop the project within a couple months) so what incentive is there to offer you a discount?

As an artist, the only way I would accept that deal is if you were paying for all 30 up front.

>>175752420
No it wouldn't. Procedural content almost entirely can't have anything interesting in it because the most interesting aspects of any game's level design are the moments when something unexpected happens; when a component that has a single function gets repurposed to have a secondary function, and the player in that moment suddenly sees the piece in a new light.

A procedural system can't ever generate something like that because in order to do so, the designer has to test it and make sure it actually works. A procedural system has to be guaranteed to generate finish-able levels without testing each unique layout, meaning it has to play it safe. It can't "think outside the box" because it can't think.

Procedural generation has a place in the level design process, in that it could allow designers to quickly generate the bulk of a level before fine-tuning the output to make something unique. That would mean more content could be created in the same frame of time. But it seems like nobody wants to use procedural generation except as a part of the finished product.

>>175752538
>bundle discount in anything other than simple commodities
I don't hate on you for trying since that's the nature of making deals but you're silly if you think that not accepting it makes him a jew.

>>175752538
>how about you just give me some work for free?
I would lol no you too stupid frogposter

>>175752538

Not an artist, but I can see why fixed prices for pieces makes sense for them. Anyone who's worked freelance in any field has had those clients who insist that what you're doing isn't actually complex, regardless of what they're asking or how much knowledge they actually have on the subject.

It's usually easier for me to find someone else who won't make it difficult to get paid, than it is to fight you and justify my value for the privilege of working for you.

>>175752538
>Hey Tom, it's me your manager. Since you're working 20-30 hours this week how about you come in for another 2 or 3 unpaid?

>>175752671
I giving him half now and the other half after I get half my backgrounds.

>>175752792
>>175752704
I dunno man, he does regular one-time commissions to other people for the same price, just feels a bit economically unfair for me to buy a large batch(which ends up at a lotta money) and pay the same.

Maybe there's something wrong with me, but that's what I learned in economy class.

>>175752950
It feels unfair to you why? Because it's a lot of money to you? Are you 14 years old?

>that's what I learned in economy class.
What exactly did you learn, what principle is at play here?

>>175752950
Buying wholesale nets a discount in industries where it saves labor; when you buy a whole case/pallet/batch of something, you cut out the labor of sorting/stocking/breaking down that batch, and so you can negotiate a lower price.

In what way does having more pieces comissioned save him effort?

>>175752950
He will still have to draw every single one of those pieces, he's not a factory that bumps out a billion pictures per day where the most expensive part of the process is the transportation.
Economy of scale doesn't apply here and any discount wouldn't be economically sound but rather just a "nice gesture".

>>175753035
>>175753089
Bulk purchasing.

>In what way does having more pieces comissioned save him effort?

You really see no time/effort saved in making 1 commission for 30 different people as opposed to 30 commissions for a single person?

>>175752685
>the designer has to test it and make sure it actually works
Depends on the game.

Yeah a linear one needs boundaries, but something like No Man's Sky would be much more interesting if some generated planets just happened to be quite impossible to explore because of mega gravity or the planet being sentient or unending asteroid strikes.
You can design the game around that sort of thing, have lots of gameplay elements to allow for emergent gameplay, let the player decide and figure out what is and isn't a good idea.

>>175752538
Im a professional artist, i will make it for free

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>>175753237

>>175753089

Not him, but it's not only physical goods which offer discount for large up-front payments. Almost any subscription service will offer a lower per-month cost if you pay for a larger amount of time up-front.

The guarantee of a lot of money 'now' is typically worth a lot more than a possibility of more money over a large period of time. That may be his mindset. 30 pieces being locked in and paid for now may be more valuable for the artist than the risk of not getting 30 pieces commissioned by others in the same period of time. It was worth asking IMO.

>>175752946
Ironically, people who are paid per month get less moneys per hour than those who are paid per hour for kinda the same job.

Because when you're paid per month you're also paid for the time, that you'd otherwise spend waiting for a contract.

I'm handing out free (You)s, respond to this comment to get one.

>>175753173
>You really see no time/effort saved in making 1 commission for 30 different people as opposed to 30 commissions for a single person?
Not really. Assuming the commissions are coming to him regardless, you aren't saving him the time of hunting them down. Why would he take 90% pay for 30 drawings when he could take 100% in the same time-frame?

>>175753237
>that portfolio
Haha nevermind, thanks.

>>175753387
great gamedev post

>>175753174
Designing a game in such a way that theoretically all of the content is optional is creating a really bad game for an entirely different set of reasons.

>>175753414
see
>>175753349

It's not always guaranteed that he'd be able to fill his time with the same amount of commissions. In this case, maybe he can, or maybe he just really doesn't like anon. Who can say. But it's not unreasonable to ask for bulk discount, and anyone who would get offended over that is being silly.

>>175753349
>>175753513

But they aren't being paid for 'now' is the problem. I assume maybe if he did offer full payout up front then they might negotiate but offering half now half later doesn't guarantee the artist anything at all if anon flakes on him. Also I didn't read the artist being offended but maybe you were just making a one-off general comment.

>>175753414
>Assuming the commissions are coming to him regardless
That's a big strong assumption. But yeah, under that case, it would make sense for him to just say "fuck you" to anything less than full price.

>175753439
Fuck off, you're not getting shit.

>>175753349
It's not about the time preference, it's about the fact that subscription services ALWAYS have vacancies and therefore are always looking for new contracts; you are saving them the labor effort of hunting for contracts by buying up-front.

You won't get typically a discount on your monthly rent if you sign a 2-year lease versus a 1-year lease. You won't typically get a discount on your hotel room booking for 5 days instead of 3. Why? Because in those cases, you're depriving the property owner of the ability to lease/rent that space to someone else, who would be paying full price.

Same with an artist; if he's doing a commission for you, he isn't doing one for someone else in that time. His labor is limited; he's going to make it available to people paying full price, assuming those people are currently coming to him. He's got the leverage.

>>175753684
>Ultra (You)
Woah. Cheers Anon!

>>175753610

That's certainly a good point. "Half-now half-later" shouldn't be the approach with a bulk discount.

>Also I didn't read the artist being offended but maybe you were just making a one-off general comment.

Mostly talking about the comments like
>>175752792
>>175752946
>>175753035

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How do I make my RPG last longer than 10 minutes?

>>175752284
>tfw you writing and improving your procedural dungeon generator over a half year already and it have more code than all other parts of your game combined
And I wouldn't stop until at least in 50% cases output will be on par with zelda dungeons.

>>175753867
repeat 100x

>>175753414
>Why would he take 90% pay for 30 drawings when he could take 100% in the same time-frame?

Because, again, it won't take him the same amount of time. Not in the real world anyway, maybe in some fake world where every human being is as efficient as they can be.

I've commissioned artists before, and it always takes a while to iron out how you want things to look. Sometimes they'll make sketches or several different versions and ask which direction you like more before continuing. It's not unusual to trade emails back and forth, depending on the complexity of the piece or how vague your own description is. And I can only imagine that this takes even more time if the one commissioning is unprofessional or not completely sure on what he wants. Put this together with the fact that there's 30 different people with different personalities and timezones, and you can see how it would take more time than it would if you were to make closely thematic pieces for the same person.

Giving the discount or not is his decision, I'll respect that, but it'd be silly to claim that bulk purchasing doesn't offer any advantages to the seller.

>>175753867
GRINDING

>>175753867
this is what you have grind and excessively long cutscenes for

>>175753867
More content
Procedural content (this triggers the Anon)
If not procedural, linear shit can ensure the players will be seeing everything (therefore you can make less)
More difficult gamepay

>>175754038
I wish I had gamepay

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>tfw you have a full time job code monkeying for a massive corporation but all you want to do is make video games

>>175753904
>>175753979
>>175754010
Yeah, I already increased the time for mining and woodcutting. Might as well slow down the walking speed too

>>175754117
>gamepay
is this the birth of an epic new monetization scheme?

>>175754120
A full time job still leaves free time.

>>175754147

Make mining/woodcutting take extremely long times, then let players pay $0.99 to speed it up

>>175750759
>i dont know how to use 3 lines of code to make my game pixel perfect

>>175754038
I have a tilebased map but the sprites have some randomness to them and the AI does whatever fuck it wants just wandering around picking flowers


>>175754197
;^)

>>175753910
True. But discounts are a way to attract customers and make sure customers return. If the artist already had that contract in their pocket and wasn't interested in this customer returning, then makes sense to not give a discount. If Pepe does not like it, he should just chose a different artist next time.

>>175753867
Take a page from JRPGS:

- Add animations to EVERYTHING: picking up items, opening doors, etc
- Make these animations as long as possible: if you're opening a door, it makes sense that the character would be careful. Open the door slowly
- Make sure these animations are unskippable and can't be sped up
- Add short, repetitive cutscenes for scene transitions (for example, after the long door opening animation you'd then have a short, unskippable entering cutscene where the screen fades while your character enters, then fades out. Maybe your character will then have another unskippable animation as he enters and looks around)

The important thing is to add these animations to actions that occur frequently.

>>175754368
As long as the game is more than 2h so people can't refund it everything is good, right anons?

>>175754038
Also, reuse same content for different difficulty levels.

>>175754368
this shit fucking annoys me with persona 5

i'm sure half my """"playtime"""" is waiting for animations and cutscenes to finish

>>175754120
Same. Feels bad, man.

>>175753867
Every attack animation should be long as fuck
All fights should start with a long, obnoxious swirly effect for every single encounter, and end with a gigantic and superfluous stat readout for the fight results
Fights should be spaced in such a way that encounters tend to occur JUST below the frequency that would cause a player to quit the game entirely.
Shitloads of fucking dialogue.

Gameplay should also be repetitive and unengaging, but you should cover that with lots of big numbers that keep going up so people feel like they're achieving something.

>>175754526
>Gameplay should also be repetitive and unengaging
What's the advantage of that?

>>175753867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCfGT-oapL4

>>175753867
Take your simple gear/inventory system and leveling system and explode them out into two dozen subsystems with their own unique currencies. The player won't notice how little content the game has when they spend hours upon hours in a menu turning mana gems into mana crystals or finding the right balance between the HP+ helm, the HP+ sword, the HP+ perk, the HP+ passive ability, and the HP+ auto-use item.

>>175754368
>>175754526
And here I am making an rpg with fast battles, fast travels and minimum annoying animations. Drawing different enemies. Writing many dialogues(also short and skippable). Making mini-games with rewards.
While someone just add grind.
Go to hell, fuckers.

What if someone made an RPG with a lot of numbers and stats but all these numbers are invisible and the player has to figure them out by general feel and visuals.

The complexity of an RPG without the boring spreadsheet reading.

>>175754741
Enjoy your 30 minute game.

>>175754606
makes the game take longer if every moderately interesting element of player interaction is stretched out to 100x the number of uses it takes for it to wear out its welcome.

Making engaging gameplay means doing unique and interesting things. "Unique" is just another way of saying "not long enough" when you can copy-paste it three dozen times.

Sure, it's more boring that way, but nobody will care if each time you do it a bigger number pops out.

post your code

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Stop.
Your game doesn't need to be artificially long to be fun.

>>175754903
++i;

>>175754827
>Sure, it's more boring that way, but nobody will care if each time you do it a bigger number pops out.

Just because there are idiots willing to put 100 hours into cookie clicker, doesn't mean "nobody will care".

AAA games can afford to pad their shitty games with those sort of things because the assets are high quality, good luck making shitty generic JRPG#34843 as an indie dev actually sell though.

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>>175754903

>>175754914
I want my game to be really long but without a big team it's not feasible to do that without using some tricks.

>>175752284
>never played Diablo
You guys don't even play games. Almost everything you say here is always wrong.

>>175754746
If I don't know the numbers, I cannot really plan my leveling. Even casual rpgs like Skyrim give you some numbers.

You have 10 seconds to sell the first game idea that comes to your mind

>>175755042
google undertale

>>175755170
Pay me money for a shitty game.

>>175755082
>I want my game to be really long
What for? ~10h game is already great for indie.

>>175754914
that a seamless bg?

>>175755170
I can't develop a full idea and start selling it on steam in 10 seconds.

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Anyone here released a game on Steam? I need your experience:

How much will I make from a game there if I suck at marketing and charge about 7 dollars for it?
Or how much income do games that have 15-40 reviews on Steam make?

>>175755170
Just make a THPS game which isn't terrible, people will buy it

>>175754608
is this fitzthistlewits?

>>175754746
I actually don't mind that.

>>175755240
There is a certain feeling that can only be achieved when long things come to an end. You should know what I'm talking about.

>>175755253
Looks like a nebula to me.

>>175755112

Typically people here are making games for fun, so we talk about things that make games fun. If we're talking about what makes money, then of course what you read here is not applicable, because often the most garbage, unfun, repetitive games make the most money. Blizzard is the reigning king of repetitive grind, it's been their money printer for the last 13 years. But talking about how to manipulate players into wasting time in your game so you can get more ad impressions, or so they will gamble more on your loot boxes, or spend money to speed up the grind doesn't make for a fun discussion.

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That's all for today anons, implemented a tilemap from a file and sidescrolling movement.

Thanks for the entertaining shitposting

>>175755270
Check steamspy

>>175755338
i know what it is showing, i wanted to know if it is seamless...

>>175755476
no, it's just a phone wallpaper

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>>175754903

>>175755270
www.homph.com/steam

Anyhow even if you suck at marketing you at least need a decent video for the landing page and some good screenshots or you'll probably not get too many sales.

>>175752538
This entire reply chain is cancer.
Find another artist who's willing to play ball.
It's true that that artist can't guarantee he'll get 30 different commissions to fill whereas you're giving him the opportunity to gain the money as though he were even though you want a slight discount.
Also that artist should recognize that you may end up being a return customer who will want even more commissions for another game.
The people who replied to you just can't grasp those concepts so why bother arguing with them?

>>175755370
Diablo 1/2 weren't developed by Blizzard. If was a separate company bought by Blizzard.

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the actor stays in place at all times and you control the environment instead

>>175755475
>>175755627
Thank you guys. I really hope I'll be able to make around $10,000 in the first year.

>>175755664
If he likes that artist enough to commission assets from him chances are that artist is popular enough that either than CAN guarantee those 30 commissions (and regularly have to turn some down) or they are successful enough working commissions that they can AFFORD to turn down anything they want.

tl;dr Unless we can confirm they are a starving artists or on hard times we can't really generalize in either direction.

>>175755845
t-that's how i made my sidescroller

>>175755319
relief

>>175755869
try $4000

>>175755845
That's how shmups do it. Otherwise you'll end up with a fucked collision accuracy

>>175755042
>Just because there are idiots willing to put 100 hours into cookie clicker, doesn't mean "nobody will care".
The kind of people that care aren't playing RPGs, because that's the foundation of RPG gameplay.

Either embrace it or make a different kind of game.

All RPGs are fundamentally watching numbers go up on spreadsheets with a shitload of narrative and window dressing. The amount of player skill involved in your typical RPG rarely stretches beyond learning an elaborate rock-paper-scissors web of advantages/disadvantages for gear/spells/attacks against enemies.

>>175755954
Not true at all. Yes, the play field stays in place over a scrolling background, but you still move the ship around the play field.

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about to implement an upgrade system where the player is forced to choose between two upgrades for the enemies at regular intervals

for example choose +1 enemy hp or +1 enemy damage or something

wish me luck

>>175756127
no

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>>175756121
pls anon. that's what I meant

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>>175756182

>>175756121
>not true at all
>true a little bit

>>175756127
This is kind of interesting.

>>175756486
Jon is the most uninteresting cartoon character alive.

>>175756393
He's saying that the background moves, the field does not move, and the ship moves.
This refutes the poster he's replying to; it doesn't agree with it.

>>175756393
But the player doesn't control the play field's traversal over the environment. It happens constantly and automatically. The player moves the ship around the field, and that actually DOES move the ship.

We're talking about
>the actor stays in place at all times and you control the environment instead
Which is not how any shmup works. You control the actor, and the environment moves constantly irrespective of how you control the actor.

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>>175756543
leave

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Saving the galaxy, one shitposting planet at a time.

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Implemented some whirlwind columns that reflect projectiles back at you, still setting up all the attack patterns

>>175755925
It's similar but also opposite to it.

>>175756805
Is it even possible to jump to clear that column?

>>175756595
I'd do that when I'll be in need of accurate collision detection for when your coordinate system can't accommodate large position values.
Kerbal Space Program did this. The ship you're building is the center of the world axis, while the moon and everything else moves.
Like I said shmups also do it but with the minor difference that the whole playfield is static

>>175756705
3DPD

>>175756721
This is kind of interesting.

>>175756874
I guess in a way almost all modern open world games do this, since they periodically reposition 0,0,0 to avoid accumulating float errors.

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>>175753867
>noon
>tfw 32 word essay due tomorrow and I haven't even started

>>175757152
>32 word

>>175756127
Sounds like too much clicking.

Perhaps consider a way to let players choose with either exactly one click. You might be able to streamline it further.

What's your opinion on completely top-down 2D games (like hotline miami)? I'd prefer the angled approach (like enter the gungeon/nuclear throne/etc) but I don't like the look of it when you only have one direction animated which is what I'd end up with since animating 4-8 directions takes way too long.

>>175754608
Interesting.

>>175757231
controls are all keyboard based, 2 keys correspond to each upgrade

>>175757247
I call it the Newgrounds Look.

>>175757326
I meant click/press.

When you say 2 keys you mean... you have to press two keys to confirm an upgrade? That'd already be too much!

>>175757247
You can animate 3 directions(up,down, side and flip for other side) and it still will look passable.

>>175757247
I prefer angled. Completely top-down looks weird.
You could make a 3D model and use that as a base for the sprites.
Or just use the 3D model and render it at a lower resolution in-game to fit whatever art style the 2D parts of your game has.

>>175757247
>>175757524
Oh, almost forgot - you can go even with 2 directions animated and still be above the line. Diagonal up and down - and flip them to both sides. That used in Paper Mario and it looks ok.

>>175757247
Straight down is the fucking worst perspective. Humans don't ever really see shit from that angle. Everything's harder to parse, and it's kinda impossible to ever make it look "good".

You can get "kinda alright I guess, whatever" at best.

Nuclear-throne-esque however is perfect. If you do some simplifications, you can still nail 8 directions without it taking too long. Depends what style you're willing to go with.

At the most extreme end, all characters are balls, and all you have to move are eyes.

Or you could do some skeletal animation and lessen the amount of overall work you have to do.

Very simple cartoony characters / low character count could let you do 8x easily as well.

Much more than that though... and you're in for some shit.

wtf is http://www.homph.com/steam/ actually for real????

Someone on this Taiwanese knitting forum actually sold 100k copies of their game?

>>175757524
3 directions is still way too much work -- triple the work, in fact

>>175757152
>2048bit essay

>>175757806
>Way of the red
When was this? I don't think I recognise it

>>175757806
i am the owner of steam of course i would

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UI Elements are working, as well as sprite effects.
Need to clean up the internal references and content loading though, because I'll be loading several rooms at once in the background to give a "no loading screen" feel and I want to be able to reuse sprites and have some smarter ownership over them.

>>175756020
>The amount of player skill involved in your typical RPG rarely stretches beyond learning an elaborate rock-paper-scissors web of advantages/disadvantages for gear/spells/attacks against enemies.

Except this part can be entertaining. (See Tactics Ogre, etc.)

Watching artificially inflated opening door animations, attack animations and the such, is not.

>>175755208
Has none of those things, and it barely even qualifies as an RPG.

>>175757806
It's based on Steam Spy stats.

"Owners" is a complete shot in the dark.
"Players" is better but is still kinda way off.

Steam Spy dude says it's a lot more accurate when your total is high? I don't know if I buy it, but he said something like that.

Oh. But yeah, Risk of Rain dev is a literal millionaire now. Dunno about the others. Also Risk of Rain dev also made Deadbolt, which managed to get high on the list too...

a sidescroller where you control the milankovitch cycles

>>175757806
I don't know how many of these I'd actually include as agdg games either.

I don't think posting a couple times counts.

>>175754741
People nowadays don't appreciate that.
They want best bang for their buck, even if 90% of the "bang" is totally redundant.

>>175758330
do you want your name in credits

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it's a sidescroller but it's not a platformer and it's not procedurally generated

minecraft but not procedurally generated

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Anyone who gives me a ("You") right now will have a place in the "Special Thanks To" credits part in my game.

>>175758330
Nah. All of them are solid AGDG games.

You have to live in AGDG 24/7 to know this, though.

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>>175756854
You can switch powers to get more jump height to clear it or you have to jump over it before it reaches full height.

>>175758553
my mom

>>175758553
>("You")
Call me asstits

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>>175758584

>>175758553
ill take a ("You")

And special thanks to: (You)!

>>175758875
Nah, you gotta quote specific post numbers in your credits.

I saw the other day there was a recommended tutorial series for getting into Blender

Anyone know what it was, or have some recommendations? Preferably video tutorials

>>175758651
I'm currently looking for an artist. Ready to provide my credit card information, social security number, political compass results, internet browser history, birth certificate, pictures of my family, and detailed sexual history.

>>175759374
Just try it yourself first

>>175757881
I think he occassionally posted up to maybe half a year ago.

>>175759489
I've spent about 20 hours in it, but I dont know what im doing

Hey

any of you artists have videos of your animated models uploaded anywhere that I could make sounds to for my portfolio?

post a link and thanks! I'll post my portfolio with them on here when I'm done

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>>175747631
please help Im trying to look into the best practices for character select.

>>175759680
accidentally tripped

my name was meant to be ironic

>>175758003
>Steam Spy dude says it's a lot more accurate when your total is high
Basically it works on percentages and extrapolation, those estimates get thrown way off the smaller the numbers are.

If you check 100 random profiles three times and see 49, 50, and 51 of those own a game, then you can guess ~50% of steam users own the game.
If you do it and get 0, 1 and 2, then your guess is 1% with a margin of error +- 1%, which is useless.

I think the owner said anything under 30,000 isn't accurate.

>>175759682
>enter a screen
>it says SELECT YOUR CHARACTER and shows a list of characters
>you cycle through available characters in the list using directional buttons or point them with mouse cursor
>press confirm button on a character you want
>start game

>>175755081
>All those pointers
What language are you writing that shit in? If you say C/C++, I may have to puke.

>>175758584
>>175759391
tumblr/twitter/blog?

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Reminder to eat lunch, /agdg/!
You can't dev to your fullest potential without fuel.

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>>175759951
thank you anon

>>175759682
>>175760041
are you this clueless. character selection screen is the easiest to devise

I need a new game to make

>>175760183
No, silly.

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r8 or h8

>tfw you feel like making story-based singleplayer games are a waste of time
sure undertale was a success but it seems most successful games these days have multiplayer or replayability through procgen

not to mention how much longer it takes to make a long enough singleplayer experience

>>175760457
I r8 fur/b8.

>>175760481
Yeah, who ever heard of a walking simulator being successful.

>>175760457
Honestly not a fan of these types of combat games so I can't really tell if it's good or not.
Also the characters are way too furry for my tastes.

>>175759961
C++, while not perfect, is much better than the alternatives.

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>>175760457
This makes me FURRYOUS

>>175760562
walking simulators aren't games

>>175760457
At least change the filename next time.

>>175760575
I'm not saying you should be using a different language. I'm saying all those pointers are unnecessary as shit. Integral types should be passed by value. If you need to modify external varaibles, pass by reference. Passing them as pointers and de-referencing them is unsafe as all hell.

>>175760620
Do you not like DARKNESS SCREAM?

>>175760724
Ref is gay as fuck.

>>175760720
>he changes the filename to HIDE the fact that its not his work


I don't even want anonymous credit for that. I also very specifically didn't say "r8 my battle screen!"

Anyone using game maker can explain me how to use ini?
I've tryed what the docs said in multiple ways, but I can't get anything to work...

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>>175760934

>>175760898
Spoken like someone who isn't going to make it. Have fun when your game ker-fucks itself because a variable your pointers were expecting to be there just happened to be cleared by some other behaviour. If you're going to program, maybe you should actually learn how to use the language you chose.

>>175758553
Call me Bungus McFungus

>>175761073
>geralt is a pole
nice meme

>>175761229
Yeah, no one ever made anything until some flaming homo invented refs.

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Y'know, this may just end up making more work for me since I can now do multiple angles, but fuck it.

I now have a script that can rotate the player and camera while keeping the camera follow active, meaning now I can actually have places where the camera rotates, like the places in Rogueport when you went into alleys.

Not sure currently where I'll use it besides this zone's wonky shape, but it'll certainly be useful.

>>175761384
Not an argument. References are a core feature of the language and you are not writing good C++, nor using it to its full effect by obstinately choosing to ignore them. But fuck it. I'm probably getting b8'd anyway.

>>175760572
>Honestly not a fan of these types of combat
REEEEE

>>175761789
Half a bait.

>>175753867
wel aside for all the lame annoying things all the other devs have pointed out:

once you have your game coded and content creation tools setup you should be able to create more content at a reasonable pace, just make sure that once in a while the player experiences something new.

>>175748383
It'd be pretty dumb not to use what is arguably the best feature of unity. Just learn how canvas and anchors work.

Slightly related, how do I unfuck the canvas sorting order situation I've gotten myself into. The player has their left arm covered in UI elements so I used the sorting layer to make sure they overlapped correctly. But now the arm UI is displayed behind every other fucking canvas in the scene if they ever overlap, which looks wrong and is disorienting as fuck.

Idk if I'm describing this right but basically if their arm overlaps a canvas that holds say, a sign, the arm ui is displayed "behind" the sign even if the the arm itself is in front of the sign. And I can't just make the sign canvas always the last layer, because it's possible for the player to have the sign between the camera and the arm, too!

>add const correctness in a few places you forgot
>build error
>clean solution
>rebuild solution
>literally over 10x FPS boost
>ihavenoideawhatthefuckisgoingon.png

>>175762310
the ways of the compiler are infinite and mysterious.

any books on game maker 2 yet?

>>175762567
Just read the gms ones.

>>175760575
You are not supposed to use pointers in 2017 you stupid fuck

>>175762310
>>175762463
>function call now passes object by const reference
>no mutable fields so fields can't be modified by the call
>previously loaded field values are no longer getting invalidated
>calling function can reuse them instead of reloading after the call
>function is now smaller
>gets inlined when previously it wouldn't

>Wanted to work on game for demo day, having to start filing for divorce instead

Never get married lads.

What simulator ideas have not been done yet?

>use delta time in GM just like agdg taught me
>set room speed to 9999
>the whole global.delta = (60/1000000*delta_time) thingy
>multiply it with velocity when moving character
>everything's going fine

>activate v-sync to lock the game at 60 FPS
>everything moves a shitton faster

This is the exact opposite of what was supposed to happen, what the hell?

>>175762310
C++ const isn't strict enough to provide any guarantees (e.g thanks to const_cast<>), so C++ compilers actually cannot do any optimization based on const

const is only useful as a checking tool

>>175763164
The majority of them.

>>175763264
Sure smartass, now name me five.

>>175763146
>all that upcoming dev time
Sorry tho

>>175763164
Sysadmin simulator.

>>175762779
When I follow gms guides in gm2 shit don't work. But when I do it in gms it does.

>>175763231
You are either not updating global.delta every frame or forgot to use delta on whatever is moving fast.

Also >60/1000000*delta_time seems like it would output such a tiny number that it would lead to rounding problems, just multiply everything by delta.

>>175763146
>>175763324
Divorce Lawyer simulator where you have to defend the husband and his property and win.

>>175763253
i knew that fps boost was just black magic.

>>175763005
Why do you hate fun?

>>175763324
Concentration Camp manager
Live Abortion Sim
Vore Sim
Cryptid Sim (Bigfoot/ETs/Mothman/etc.)
Jackie Chan

>>175763545
The IVAN of simulator games.

>>175763146
Why not just get an unofficial marriage if you want that gay wedding shit? At least you won't lose half your shit and get cucked for 18 years if she gets pregnant

>>175763253
>C++ compilers actually cannot do any optimization based on const
this is the most incorrect thing I've read on this thread

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>>175763615
>Concentration Camp manager

>>175763231
>GM
There's your problem. Have you ever wondered why 99% of gms games are tied to FPS? It's because gms is shit at handling delta time.

Just tie your game to 60FPS, or use an engine that actually has proper delta support.

>>175763717
She meme'd me into it despite knowing better. Women will erode you down

>>175763615
>Cryptid Sim (Bigfoot/ETs/Mothman/etc.)

Delete this right fucking now

>>175763845
I'm not a Game Maker user can someone explain what's its issue with delta time? I see lots of devs complaining but I can't make sense of it

>watch a GDC about some EA game
>show trailer
>wow this looks like shit
>"Raw Data may be VR's first 1M game"

Am i just out of touch or are video games and the new market's taste, shit?

https://youtu.be/OTgvqfHWMGM?t=1m36s

>>175763615
>Concentration Camp manager
Imagine all the negative media attention, it would beat Hatred.

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>>175763772
You can be boring and choose to turn it into a death/work camp.... or go a different route and make a summer camp, a training camp for your own Militaires Sans Juden, your own theme park.

>>175764251
Both.

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PROGRESS

Time based movement, instead of SANICPROCESSORAT100%MVMT.
Now that this basic stuff is out of the way, I think I'm pretty close to implementing actual game functionality.

feelsgoodman.png

>>175764292
Can you make soap from body fat and lamp shades from jews skins to boost German economy?

>>175764220
It's the time passed in microseconds since the last frame, it's a good idea to make all animations and movements rely on real time instead of frames since it stops your game from speeding up and slowing down if the FPS changes.

It's still only an issue today because GM is horrible at dealing with delta time and basically forces the user to use frames to calculate speed instead.

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>>175764292
>death camp

>>175764421
>wasting valuable wartime resources

If that's wrong, I don't wanna be reich

>>175764523
>muh holohoax

yeah yeah, jews lied, get on with your life

>>175764523
>Fictional game features fictional events

No friction over fiction my friend

>>175764251
If you spent $700 on VR then you're probably going to buy any half decent VR game

>>175764435
well I know what delta time is, but I'm curious how is it an issue with GM. Delta time is fundamental in any game loop, so I don't understand how can Game Maker fuck it up

>>175760457
>akuoreo
>Google image search
Welp.

>>175765093
The biggest issue is that GM has no subpixel precision so any fraction of a pixel is floored when moving something, which makes it a terrible engine for basically anything dealing with precise physics and this problem is multiplied with delta time.
You could save the remaining fraction and add it to the movement every frame but that's another band-aid fix to GM's stupidity, even the NES had subpixel precision.

>>175763005
Why? I love pointer arithmetic.

>>175765387
Pretty sure you have to go out of your way to floor your pixels in GM:S via GML or you end up with distorted pixels after they (or the camera) has moved.

>>175765387
Dude, what the fuck are you talking about? I know you must not be talking about actual display pixel rendering, so you must be talking about world coordinates, in which case GM absolutely has "subpixel precision". What a load of bullshit.

>>175763005
There's nothing wrong with using them if you know how to do it correctly.

>>175766132
There's no reason to use pointers if you know what you are doing

>>175766213
References are pointers. Shared pointers are also pointers. Arrays are pointers. Variables, under the hood, are pointers. That's how computers work. Stop pointer shaming.

Gimme a name for a villain whose in-universe title is "The Tyrant".

>>175750420
Add glow to collectibles for them to stand out more.
>>175750589
https://color.adobe.com/

>>175766213
You're probably using them without realizing it. Just because your language protects you from misusing them doesn't mean you aren't using them.

>>175766343
Dang he beat me to it.

>>175765816
>>175765931
I just tested it out and it actually does, but something as simple as adding 1.1 to x every frame eventually led to nonsense fractions like .99

So yeah their subpixel movement is very shitty and you are better off doing your own if you want precision.

>>175766354
Tyrann

>>175766354
Cornelius Winklegruber

Victor Feltman

>>175766490
And Views don't support floats either, whole pixels only.

>>175766531
>>175766354

>>175766490
I just booted up GM and added 1.1 to an object's x position every frame and the engine never returned any value ending in .99 so you continue to be full of shit.

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How do I learn Github?

>>175766354
Tyrone

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>>175766821

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>>175766936

Where can i find instrumental medieval music?

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>>175766354
SHRALD ZUMPF

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idk what to do for music help me
https://strawpoll.com/7c4edgw

>>175766354
Excarn (from the Latin word "excarnifico", which means "to torment/torture" or "to tear into pieces")

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>>175767008

>>175766926
Read one of the hundreds of guides on GitHub and about GitHub.
Or are you interested in learning Git specifically?

>>175767443
if GM uses floats for that, surely they'll get the arithmetic errors that arise from using floats eventually

try waiting until ~800 like >>175767008

>>175767443
let it get to the 800s
I gave it a quick test too

>UE4 resets control rotation when possessing new pawns

This is why you don't use prebuilt engines.

>>175767443
>>175767574
>>175767591
I noticed how much higher he'd gone than I did and so kept going.

I eat crow on this one, you are correct and I was wrong.

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>>175767716
forgot this

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>>175767716
>>175767867
someone not being an asshole?
on MY /agdg/?

>click the play button in UE4
>mains switch gets tripped
uhh agdagtards?

How much do you think it would cost to license tom Hans Zimmer music to my game?

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>>175767926
FUCK OFF JON

>>175766354
Crasius Helm
Herald Dorn
Marcus Acadius
Alex Alsword

>>175768000
For a couple million you might get one of his apprentices.

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>>175768053

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>>175768172

>>175747780
I already made it this time, the question is if I'll *really* make it

>>175747780
But I'm a whodev, anon

>>175768445
So post a screenshot of your progress here and you won't be a whodev anymore.

>>175768000
Limiting to movie composers turned game composers...

Danny Elfman > Harry Gregson Williams > Zimmerman

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>>175768570
I only made audio progress up to this point. This evening I'll stea- err, write a maze generator.

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>>175747780
No, again.

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>>175746935
> "rape me", no.
That's the spirit! Can't have rape witout refusal

>>175768894
what happened to plok3d

>>175747780
Not yet

>>175768894
>>175769104
ded devs ;_;