/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

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>>175677895
Greetings

theory: stellaris was originally a mobile game but they just upgraded the models and released it on pc

>>175678237
>but they just upgraded the models
Did they really?

>>175677895
Not subtle enough friend.

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>>175678415
Hey, I originally wanted to use pic related, but I decided that this general needed some Arrakis.

>>175677895
Anyone up for a multiplayer game?

>Modding the Gene research to be repeatable and give 3 trait points a time instead of one
I will have my goddamn supermen/aliens

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HELP

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>tfw I bought Master of Orion on release

>>175679943
Run forest! Run.

You'll still have 472.

>>175680049
>voice acting is the only thing that game has going for it
I'm so sorry.

If the AI loses the war I am in, but can't participate, will winners force the terms on me? I mean shit like Abandon Outpost, Humiliate, and all that?

The worm loves you anon

>>175679943
And this gentlemen is why impulse drives are not a meme.

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How did these niggas colonize without a ship shelter

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=830231693&searchtext=
any of you use this? it doesnt allow every AI empire to use them, does it?

>>175680597
Yes, either defend your allies or don't make allies.

>>175681114
You can dismantle it

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvqJ1mTkEuY

OH SNAP

>>175682329
Hope you got your research up

>>175682329
>only 300k

Easy peasy.

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So I get that they're Militant Isolationists and want to be left alone, but I guess leaving a 2-3 system gap between us doesn't count?
Does border friction happen even when borders aren't touching, or is it a bug of some kind?

>>175682329
Can you build yourself a few ringworlds, not colonize them and then quickly repopulate?

>>175682329
Hey, isn't that what happened to the Eldar in Warhammer? The creation of the Warp?

Can that happen to the AI empires as well?

>>175683918
They like a nice big buffer.
So destroy them.

>>175684246
Not the Warp, but creation of the Chaos God Slaanesh.

>>175684352
With his mighty 10k fleet.

Huh, another Anon and I were bitching about how AoW3 doesn't get updates any more, and then...

http://aow.triumph.net/the-v1-8-poseidon-patch-out-now/

>>175684021
yes

>>175684514
>10k fleet
I only wish. It's still early in the game, my fleet only just passed 2k.
So I need to keep these bastards happy for long enough to build up.

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>>175683742
Sure did
>>175683784
It grows exponentially for each pop it eats,it will reach millions sooner or later
>>175684246
Its like Fall of the Eldar aye, ai cannot pick it i think. Getting the thing in shroud is really rare.
>>175684021
Probably, didnt think of it though. You get a random planet though, you might end up on the other part of the galaxy though.


Also game bugged out for me so i had to revert for half a dozen years and colonize a planet.
My new capitol had that time-looped colony event because i didnt colonize since then.

On the other hand i saved whole worm ending for my new system.

>>175684021
With the resources of a single world?

>>175685595
Before everybody dies, trade the AI lump sums of minerals/credits, star maps and research agreements for monthly minerals/credits.

Hell, you could trade them your planets if you want.

My understanding is that high-evasion Corvettes give you some of the best bang for your buck.

What's the ideal loadout for a mid/late-game Corvette?

The Age of Wonders series is on sale; are they worth an investment? How's III?

>>175685924
>he's about to fall for the corvette meme
ANON NO

Best way to cheese your neighbor in hardmode?
Basically the scaling is so fucked up if you have a closeby neighbor you HAVE to cheese them because they will abuse their +50% resources and +50 research and no fleet cap and shit out shielded corvetted very early like nothing and you cannot possibly outfleet them.
The only thing that can beat them is a spaceport, so basically you just build a defense platform next to your capital and let them wipe on it.

Now my question is, what's the best way to bait them into it? Often they will go around my capital and blow up every frontier outpost and station before they jump there. I don't think there's any way to force them to jump to a sector within your own territory when they have sensors too small to see into the next jump. Also if you made a colony before you declare war you need to have a spaceport already built there too or they will get their warscore there.

Do you just not build colonies or frontier outposts until the cheese? Is there some AI manipulation trick I'm missing?

>>175686293
What would you suggest instead?

Because swarming the AI with Corvettes has worked well for me so far.

>some backwater shithole suddenly ascends
>becomes tough nigger and starts bullying everyone into becoming signatories
Yeah fuck you pal, your fleet power is still just "Pathetic".

>>175686502
Make them chase a troop transport fleet

>>175687131
The thing is that they have no sensors so they can't see your transport from the next system over. I don't think they have any concept of "chasing" the transport either, once it leaves the system they are in they just go do their own thing.

Is Stellaris still shit?

>finally got atmospheric modulation
Time to terraform the shit outta that sweet 25 tile world.

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Truly the greatest ally

>ayys revert from machine age to steam age
??????

>>175687592
Praise the Worm!

>>175687604
>space age preftl
>move camera to find constructor
>come back to stone age
Stop chimping out please, I just want a little space bro

>>175685765
Summoning THE END causes all other empires to have -1000 opinion to you.

>>175687592
Wish I could get this event early enough that I can actually abuse the habitability + ethos flip you get out of it. As it stands it's always 2300+ when I'm surveying some random black hole on the ass end of the galaxy.

>>175687592
How are you getting Horizon Signal to work?

I thought it was bugged?

>>175688501
Mod on the workshop that fixes it.

>>175685924
Bumping this.

Also, Plasma Cannons or the Unbidden weaponry?

>>175688315
As far as I'm aware there's no way for empires to end existing trade deals without going to war, so you still get resources coming in until they do.

You need to start the trades before the event, though, otherwise you'll have nothing to give and they'll want nothing to do with you.

>>175688374
You dont have to survey a new black hole, every time a science ship enters a black hole system theres a 1 in 200 chance for it to trigger. Just put 3-4 science ships bouncing on them and you will get it in a while.
>>175688501
I changed a single 0 to 1 and its fixed.

What's a good anime mod for Stellaris? Last one I played (Harem Planet) stopped playing both it's custom and the base game's music after 3-4 tracks...

>>175688668
The bouncing thing got fixed.

>>175688910
Worked for me.
I pirated it,its probably base Utopia patch

Is it even worth it building Destroyers at the start before they can get any +tracking from sensors or AI?

>>175685924
>>175688626

Corvettes are useful for drawing the fire of enemy ships and meat shielding your cruisers. Energy torpedoes and a small plasma cannon are gonna give you the best bang for your buck. But don't create a fleet only with them.

As for matter disintegrators or plasma, depends on how shield heavy your enemies are as matter disintegrators work better against shields but are less effective against armor. They also have a higher base damage.

>>175689074
Sure.
Just don't go full retard and put an L section on them in 2020.

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>falling for the corvette meme
>falling for the destroyer meme
>falling for the cruiser meme
>falling for the battleship meme
>falling for the carrier meme
>falling for the light show meme
>falling for the clone commando meme

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>>175690752
>falling for the playing Stellaris meme

Hello friends.

Did they ever unfuck the civ 6 ai enough to make it actually attack you?

>play on normal
>everyone is pathetic by 2250
>play on hard
>get shitstomped
*uninstalls game*

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>>175691238
>he doesn't know how to torp boat

>>175691185
>not 'I seriously hope youkais don't do this'
Wasted potential.

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>>175680049

>>175691653
what the fuck

>>175692596
It's really really simple. You take a bunch of torpedo corvettes, split them into 2k fleets, and then spam them across all your enemy's homeworlds.

Suddenly they have absolutely no starports whatsoever and every planet is being bombed.

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Is Stellaris a good game or is it just a meme?

>>175692719
>he fell for the 'good game' meme

>>175692796
he fell for the greentext meme

>>175692714
Your picture, doofus. I don't play Stellaris, I have no clue what a corvette is.

>>175693013
It's just some laughing schoolgirls.

>>175693013
>I have no clue what a corvette is
The Civilization audience, everyone.

>>175693013
A corvette is smaller than a DD but larger than a frigatte

>>175693043
Not with these mouths.

>>175693446
>larger than a frigatte
Nod really.

>stars beyond reach will never be released
Should I just lobotomize myself so I can enjoy facebook games and mobile shit?

>>175693578
Fug off nerd

>>175693696
>arcen games will go bankrupt
just end it ;_;

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>>175693696
>available : 2018 or later

>>175693696
>AI War 2 is progressing
For all the bad games they made, Ai War was fun, so the second one should be better, right?

>>175694234
Their 3D graphics look ugly and simplistic as fuck and don't seem to add anything. Beyond that it seems like they're just redoing AI War 1 with less features?
I'm not convinced.

>>175679297
Plentiful traditions mod gives an extra 2 trait points, also some mod for extra trats and trait points I use gives you more than usual points during species creation.

Total is 9 points I think? The thing is having fuck tons of trait points is pointless if you dont up the max amount of traits you can have on a species.

>>175692946
he fell for the meme meme

>>175682328
Can you rebuild it?

>>175693013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNKSVgNUFgI

>>175694398
I've changed it so I can have something like 25 trait points now, just so I can have all the Transendence traits active at once. Doesn't seem to increase my leader's lifespans though, does it not affect active leaders or something?

>>175694397
Well, you don't play Arcen games for the graphisms.

Especially a Valley Without Wind. I like it, but fuck it's ugly.

Do you think there should be an option to rally other empires to fight against endgame crisis?

>>175693578
>>175693771
Corvettes were the smallest type of warship. Frigates were multi-purpose and varied largely in size. Most frigates repurposed and/or built for naval combat were larger than corvettes

>>175694903
>t.nscfag

>>175689074
Yes. Bigger ships take longer to kill which gives you an advantage over corvette spam. Ships remain 100% combat effective until they are destroyed, so the tankier your ships are the longer it takes for your fleet power to be reduced via attrition. This is the real reason corvettes always lose against fleets of larger ships.

>>175694903
Very wrong.

Were personal computers a mistake?

>>175694792
>thinking there should be actual diplomatic features in Stellaris
Whoa slow down there man. Paradox can't even figure out how to make AI alliances work.

So, torpedo corvettes or torpedo cruisers?

>>175694768
Also species gene modding doesnt affect colony ships so its annoying as fuck when you realize you populated a 25 tile planet with obsolete pre-ascension founding species.

>>175695638
Plasma cruisers, Kinetic destroyers, Flak battleships

>>175695638
All cruisers with afterburners

>>175695638
Torpedoes are garbage unless you're talking energy torpedoes and those are extremely useful only against shield spam. But putting torpedoes on a cruiser is a total waste considering their targeting computers boost fire rate and accuracy, not really the best use of those stats. Torpedo boat corvettes are situational, cause they're only good with energy torpedoes.

>>175695057
>>175695517
Brigs and sloops were not conventional warships, just like smaller frigates. Conventional warships were all so-called ships of the line and of these the corvettes were the smallest

>>175696397
The more you say, the more it becomes clear you know nothing about naval history or modern navies.

Just be quiet.

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>175696458
I think you should open up a textbook some time, friend.

>>175696540
>folkish regime

What mod is this?

>>175696540
>Folkish
Doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

>>175696625
tfw too erudite for textbooks

>>175690181
I dunno, man; the Corvettes are 270 minerals and do 14.04 damage.

The Cruisers are 1160 minerals and do 42.24 damage.

You can build 4 Corvettes for the price of one Cruiser, and they'll do more damage -- 56.16.

The Corvettes have 75% evasion on top of everything else; they're a cost-efficient means of winning a war, plentiful and cheap to replace.

With your suggestion of an energy torpedo and a plasma cannon, now they've even got the range advantage.

>>175696889
Alas, such are the markings of they proletariat

>>175698189
Corvettes can either penetrate shields very well, or do okayish damage to hulls. They cant do both at the same time.

>>175685545
>balanced fleet that is 2x the strength of the enemy fleet
>enemy fleet is full of corvettes
>My fleet gets destroyed but his is hardly intact
Jesus fuck this meme.

>>175696540
> squalia~! >::3

>>175695708
At least the Ascension perks make fixing them pretty quick

>>175687370
plsitus responditus

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>[Insert "somehow I'M the bad guy" meme here]

Probably should have annexed those two colonies instead of burning them to the ground with the pops, but I really didn't wanted to deal with filthy xenos.

Oh well, time to stop being quiet and pacific I guess.

Is Improved Space Battles any good?

>>175701607
Yes, the superweapons are very fun. I enjoy turning enemy pops into xenomorphs under my control or converting pops into energy and minerals with grey goo.

>>175701607
It has Improved in the name.

>>175681084
>And this gentlemen is why impulse drives are not a meme.
It'd be nice if there was some kind of addon like afterburners for sublight speed.

>>175686204
Bump?

>>175702738
Pretty okay but a bit annoying.

Any suggestions for a mod that will show me Tech Trees ingame, or better yet, a mod that will allow me to learn -all- technologies in a game instead of only getting certain ones every game?

>>175701607
I really want that organic starship from that. If only there was an entire organic fleetset to go with it.

Do AIs terraform?

>>175703096
Yes.

>>175701912

is it save compatible ? i just started a game and got an amazing start + the crystalline asteroids inside my system

the changelog is soo big that i cant find info on that

>>175702931

? you can use console " research_technologies" to unlock all not repeatable tech including tech from installed mods

>>175703469

I don't want to insta-learn them. I just want to be able to research them all at my leisure, rather than wonder if I'm locked out of X tech because I went and did a bunch of Y and Z.

>>175703324
You had the crystaline asteroids inside your starting system?

>>175704267

veryy close to it , will be inside with the 2nd colony

>>175704267
I did.

Pretty awesome.

>>175702797
Worth the purchase?

>>175704550
I didn't like it, but it seems strangely popular, so I may have a shitty opinion.

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>nearing 2400
>no end game crisis at all
>no warp travel pop up
>no sentient AI despite having droids and my pop being all cyborgs

Did I turn off something by accident?

>>175704637
It's on sale and I can get the entirety of III for like $20. I'm thinking about it. Civ VI was kind of disappointing, so I'm hoping I get more emergent storytelling out of this.

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r8/h8 my meme races
first one , gave them Fanatical Befrienders because
>Fanatical Befrienders are highly friendly but deeply lonely individuals. They will attempt to make friends by any means necessary.

>>175704834
I didn't really like how dependent you were of ressources. It plays more like a Heroes of Might and Magic than a Civilizations.
Not my thing.

>>175705027
It's shit.

is there a mod that makes the background a bit less dark ? i want brightness to be able to see the model of dark colored ships

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>why yes i did pick mastery of nature

Ha, we went for almost 150 posts before someone finally whined about the OP.

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Le
Mao
rng

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>when you add mods to make megastructures great again
>when you add a bunch at the same time and they all stack
>when you outclass an awakened empire in energy and mineral income by quadruple from mass producing dyson spheres, star miners, and science nexuses
NOW THIS IS A SPACE EMPIRE

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>>175706425
Played many games and never found a Sanctuary system. Looks neat.

>>175698594
I just went up against an awakened ascendancy with a combined fleet of 600 of my Corvettes and 200 of my Cruisers.

The Cruisers got torn apart, whereas my Corvettes dodged almost everything until the very end.

We wiped out two 150,000 fleets before a third showed up and finished off my armada.

>>175707416

Too bad you cant reverse engineer their tech
the stations don't drop salvage and the sections have pre ftl's in them

>>175707834
I'd want the "74,605,386 years without maintenance upkeep cost" station/ship technology.

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>>175707428
take a moment to put yourself in the shoes of the admiral of the enemy fleet
imagine his ass pain as none of his fucking ships can hit anything

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can a lone robot hold a colony by itself if I purge the rest of the bio pops from it ?


1 ( one) robot , not a droid

>>175708447
I'm sure that both admirals of the two fleets we butchered were very disoriented as the end approached.

The third admiral, the one that finished us off, is sure to be hailed as a hero of his people.

>start a new game
>get a militaristic empire right next door
>prepare to take them down and turn them into food
>they start a colony south of me
>put a frontier outpost next to it to contain it
>this pisses off an isolationist FE and I have no choice but to accept their demands
>try a system further away
>again the FE gets pissed
>meanwhile the AI empire's colony is RIGHT FUCKING NEXT TO THEIR BORDER
>THEIR BORDERS TOUCH
>THEY DON'T GET FE'D
>put a colony 2 systems away from the militaristic faggot colony
>FE gets pissed again
WHAT
IS
THIS
BULLSHIT

>>175709165
Pretty sure yes; you just need to colonize with at least one organic pop first.
Does anyone with some experience think Alphamod keeps decent game balance? I like the bloatload of features, but I fear it might cheapen the game.

Q: if I genemod my species to have the talented trait or charismatic , something that they didn't have at empire creation , do I need to put in on ALL of my pops for it to have effect ?

what if my species is already split into thrifty , industrious and intelligent pops ?

>>175709336
AI has a bias towards fucking the player
this is true in all Paradox games

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>sending shitty migrants to enemy empires is a viable strat in Stellaris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZxBQlgXZ-Q

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I'm engaged in a massive interstellar war across three federations that all have an entire quadrant of the galaxy, give me some battle music /civ4xg/

>>175711145
>send armies to invade tropical world
>it ain't me starts playing

>>175680049

W-What's wrong with it?

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rate me memepire

>>175711330

> it ain't me meme

I used to get angry that little nigger kids don't know the song is called Fortunate Son but now I love this meme, desu.

>>175712175

All this time they were referring to that credence song and i though that it was another reference that I didn't get

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>>175711564
>wormhole
other then that pretty good

>>175713663
>hyperlanes
>leaving your home system ever
Wew

>>175711564
>bio says nomadic
>but has sedentary trait

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Perhaps I made a mistake
not sure where

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>>175714896
>split my fleet into 4 groups
>send each to a different blanet
>now all are done within 1000 days

>>175715314
>Not splitting it into eighths so it's finished it less than a year.

I find playing the default UN human faction the most fun.

With xenophilia you can get tons of migration treaties and colonise a shitload of planets.

>>175715608
>betraying your species to the space nigger

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>>175715753
we did say they could crash on the moon

can you build as many megastructures as you want?

>>175716479
as far as I know, yes

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Will we ever get non-hivemind trait that reflects ant-like eusociality?

How does displacement purge work? I tried to get rid of the disgusting xeno blobs but they're just sitting there and not actually fucking off. It's bullshit that authoritarian isn't allowed to full purge.

>>175719030

Displacement is the slowest kind, but less outrageous form of purging. The pops will attempt to flee as refugees to other empires with "refugees welcome" policy or even colonise unsettled planets.

What's your favorite 4x game?

>>175719618
Alpha centauri

>>175719350
Can't I just force them to pack up and go back to their original species' empire? It's been like 10 years and everyone is still sitting here wasting space.

>>175719662
Shut up. You've never played it, and neither has anyone else on this board.

Fucking hipsters.

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>>175716479
there's no limit to how many you can make, but you can only make/upgrade one at a time, and they take a long fucking time to build, and all that effort will be for nothing because they're fucking trash in terms of output compared to the costs involved
210000 minerals for a dyson sphere, taking 40 years before discounts, and you get 400 energy/m out of it, an amount surpassed by 3 fucking energy habitats, which cost a total of 15000 minerals and 5 years before discounts, and you can build multiple habitats at a time

mods fix this glaring fucking issue easily

>>175719756

The fastest form of purging, extermination, takes 5 years to finish. Turning them into food takes 10 years. Forced labor takes 25 years. I don't know how long it takes for displacement, but I'm going to guess it takes 25+years. Neutering depends on the species lifespan, the normal is 54 years. Be patient. I guess that at least they are being productive.

>>175719756

Do you accept non-citizen refugees from other empires?

>>175719030

Promote xenophobe faction and adopt their ethos as your governing ethos.

>>175720178
I did play it. My favorite character is Zhakarov.

>Thinks everyone is young

>>175719662
is that a Stellaris mod

>>175720178
>I just turned 25 and think I'm old
How embarrassing.

>>175716014
We meant it literally. We're full there, too. Least they can do is leave us some tech to salvage.

>>175720178

Chairman Yang is right.

>>175720926
>>175721017
>>175721191
>lying children

Oh, please tell me about the Peacekeeper Mt. Planet exploit.

>>175719618
MOO2

>>175720287
>You can build multiple habitats at a time.

FUCK.

>>175721267
>NO ANSWER

Yeah, that's right. Faggots.

>>175722490
Mostly because you'd accuse people of using google.

You'll believe what you want regardless of what's posted.

>>175721267

I've only played Yang. I have no interest in playing as bureaucrat-ridden humanists.

>>175721267

Not everyone is a power-gamer.

>>175722665
Why bother pretending to have played it at all though? Does it make your dick hard to lie like this?

>>175723428
shutup fag

autism

>>175726132
How dare you.

>>175726132
How dare you.

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what did it mean by this

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>Titan / leviathan Al Fix
>Ship Upkeep:-20%
>Mineral Storage Capacity:+25000
>Energy Storage Capacity:+5000
>Monthly Influence:+1
>shipsize_titan _build _cost_mult:-50%
>shipsize_leviathan_build_cost_mult:-50%
>shipsize_erebus_build_cost_mult:-60%
>Spaceport Module Cost: -90%

What the fuck is this shit? I downloaded ISBS Doomsday instead of balance to avoid stupid shit like this. Why does the AI get a bonus that effectively DOUBLES their power in every way that matters? With shit like this the only way to beat them straight up is to be a blob literally twice the fucking size or do the full retard garbage that counts for 'strategy' with this retarded AI.

How easy is it to open the mod up and remove this kind of trash? Will it crash an active save?

>>175727832
dude with the AI being as stupid as it is, it's playing with a handicap otherwise

>>175727976
Oh sure, let me just defeat them with my superior human intellect. I'm sure there are all kinds of strategies to beat a larger force in Stellaris.

Oh wait. There's not. It's doomstack vs. doomstack and the game is strategically braindead, with the only thing approaching it being the transport bait hide-and-seek. That sure is fun.

I play on Normal for a reason.

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Behold the magic of hyperlanes
I trapped the AI in, built an anti-shield defense outpost at the only place they could go through, and attacked one of their outside colonies to bait their fleet out

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>>175728090
>can't beat larger force
>gets bullied by LITERALLY SECTOR AI LMAO
>on easy mode

>>175728217
>Beat a large force.
You don't control your ships outside of directing them to their destination. There's no skill involved. Basically the only thing you can do is pull a bunch of corvette spam faggotry, which other than being disgusting and boring, I'm not sure how well that does against ISBS ships.

I haven't even gotten to the tech point where these ships are unlocked in my current game. I just know the game well enough to see how this will go.

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>>175728345
>being this bad at the game
dude just stop already, go play cod or something

>Fallen Empires can built a ship one size category larger than battleships.

>The ability to do this yourself will be released in a paid DLC.

>>175728503
What, praytell, do you do for fleets twice your size if it's not corvette spamming?

>>175728712
I don't think they can build more, can they? They just start with one.
You can get yours via the armored dreadnought but it gargles dick.

>>175728785
Oh, do they just get one?

Still, that it exists in game already and we'll have to pay for it irks me.

It'll be cool to have a flagship you can customize, though. Think they'll let it carry the auras Battleships used to carry?

>>175728712
Battleships and Titans are useless though.

>>175728882
It's the principle of the thing, anon.

It's the PRINCIPLE of the thing.

can I safely colonise a planet in a system occupied by the automated dreadnought? it spawned basically next door to my homeworld and I kinda need to expand that way
>>175726795
outside empire borders maybe

>>175728936
Well given that Utopia also features other precusor and fallen empire shit, like ringworlds and dyson spheres, it only makes sense that includes a precusor ship too.

>>175727832
Since all you want to change is a static modifier it shouldn't break anything. You should make a copy anyway just to be safe. The steps:

First you have to find the mod in your computer: (C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\281990\720237457) This should be the location. If not, then find the mod yourself

Then unzip the file you find there and in this location (common\static_modifiers) you will find this file (isb_static_modifiers). This is the file with the modifier you showed.

After that I'd say delete everything in there except the influence boost since deleting it entirely might cause problems and I'm not that good at mods .

You better appreciate this...

They better have the option to turn off doomsday weapons if they put them in. There is nothing more stupid than 4x's obsession with throwing deathstars in games.

Had to spend an hour removing that shit from distant worlds

>>175729059
I do appreciate it. Would like to remove the shitty influence boost though, because it means they spam colonies which will make late game mop up even more tedious.

>>175729091
Paradox confirmed they will never put in planet destroyers, though.

>>175729005
Oh, fuck me, it won't be an ascension perk reward, will it?

>>175729329
I doubt it. There are too many already.

>pre-space age humans can bomb a planet so hard it becomes uninhabitable forever
>even with all my super-advanced technology put together the most I can do is destroy a few buildings and it takes half an hour of bombarding to do so
really makes me think...

>>175729212
My bad, replace the '1.0' with a '0.1' that'll fix it

>>175729091
why? FTL is basically a doomsday weapon if you crash into a planet

>>175729630
Unfortunately, that sort of ruins the fun of FTL.

>>175729491
fix it with mods :^)

>>175729269
They confirmed they were putting them in actually as of the second to last update.

>>175729818
That was retracted as a misunderstood joke.

I think it would be better if research/unity cost scaled purely with pops rather than pops + colonies, is there any mods that do that?

>accidentally started a war with "cleanse planet" instead of "cede planet"
Fuck
Any way to fix this?

>>175730475
Yes. By winning and not cleansing it.

>>175730791
BUT I WANTED THAT PLANET.

>>175730475

Cleanse it and then colonise it.

>>175730475

>Genocide the entire population of a planet as a wargoal.
>Doesn't care that the rest of the galaxy will hate you for what you did.

You monster.

What does associate feddy status even do?

>>175730979
>Doesn't care that the rest of the galaxy will hate you for what you did.
But that's exactly why I want to fix it.
That, and I actually wanted their species so I can colonize arctic worlds.

>>175731034
It's too late anon, embrace the path to a pure galaxy.

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>want to make old colonized worlds of mine gaia worlds
>resettle everyone and put an undesirable species on that planet
>???
>profit

Any reccomended mods to make building planets fun? I want a comfy Pre-FTL game, where I just build my capital peacefully.

Also, Is Alphamod too memey? I was seeing "Dihydrogen Monoxide" as a fucking strategic resource

>>175732108
Water is already a resource. It's called terraforming liquids.

>>175730475
white peace

>>175704795

The crises are basically a roll of a dice, both with which one you get and when it t comes.

You're simply lucky enough to wait that long.

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Why is a food a serious resource in any 4x game? It's not a problem in any first world country now, in fact many have too much of it. Why would a post FTL society ever have to worry about it? It's dumb and unrealistic.

>>175732648
>durr why is a ressource that everyone need to stay alive so relevant in video games
>why can't i colonize gas giants too??? we can synthetize oxygen it's dumb and unrealistic
>why can't i live on the sun? i have a freezer, a post FTL society must be able to build a huge freezer, it's dumb and unrealistic

>>175732271
I assume that's some exotic liquids used for chemical restructuring, because otherwise you'd get terraforming liquids from any wet or temperate planet.

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I'm pretty fucking sure research agreements either don't work or are completely hidden from your screen and also completely unnoticeable.
Does ANYONE ever see any indicator of them working? I have agreements with half the galaxy, yes they do have technologies I don't have, and yet NONE of my researching technologies ever show a +25% bonus. I tried looking at the "time it will take for you to research this" tooltip when selecting the technology for research for the first time and it doesn't mention any research agreement either.
This is with ALL technologies that I research, not just some.

What the fuck is up

>>175732862
Fucking idiot, it takes 25% off the base cost to research the tech

>>175732814
I interpret it as a large amount of basic chemicals needed for organic life, which are found in abundances that - if taken from a regular temperate planet - would destroy all life upon it.

So basically, rather than taking the water from the Earth's oceans and putting it on Mars, you take it from a gas giant or comets.

>>175732862
Shows up when you mouse over the "Months Remaining" icon I think.

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Wait wait wait wait wyatt

why are these two fallen empires in war ? none of them are awaken

Did the Fan Xenophobe colonize a holy world or did the Fan Spiritualist colonize something and piss the xenophobe ?

should I sneak in and try to destroy a mine as they are busy ?

>>175732862
Yeah, if you mouse over the cost breakdown for a tech it'll tell you it's been reduced by the research treaty.

>>175732648
Because it takes a huge amount of industry to maintain?
Do you think your grocer grows his stock in his basement? Livestock and farming requires immense territories and resources to sustain a sizable population.
Populations could be devastated far worse then by war by a single bad harvest

>>175732986
One might have insulted each other.

Do you finish games that are already decided?
It's driving me insane to click through turns, waiting for the science victory in Civ 6

>>175732913
>>175732963
>>175733079
I tried that too and nothing ever shows up. Can you post a screenshot of it working on your game?

>>175732754
>durr why is a ressource that everyone need to stay alive so relevant in video games

You also need oxygen, water, and radiation shielding to survive but it isn't commonly a necessary resource to make in space 4x games to lower pointless micromanagement. Food is in a similar vein, it shouldn't be a huge resource issue in a futuristic setting.

>why can't i colonize gas giants too???
Games SHOULD let you colonize gas giants. If you can build a space station that sustains a large population, or a moon base, or any starship then there is no stretch at all to build flying cities in the atmosphere of gas giants. Obviously they don't live on the 'surface' but that should be a colonization option.

>why can't i live on the sun?
You aren't even trying anymore. Not a fucking argument.

>>175733094
>Takes a huge amount of industry to maintain
No shit, so does everything else an intelligent race uses, but once again it tends to be abstracted to simple minerals, credits, energy, and so on. Farming technology has already made starvation almost impossible in first world societies, an even more advanced one would only become better at this.

>Do you think a grocer grows his stock in his basement?
Obviously not, but in a post FTL society hydroponic farming means most far away moonbases would probably grow their own food in extremely efficient ways with lots of recycling, the self sufficiency of this is good enough even just with modern foodstuffs. If you start invented nutrient rich paste or just injecting nutrients into the bloodstream directly it only gets easier.

>Populations could be devastated far worse by war by a single bad harvest
And 'bad harvests' don't happen even in today's world with highly advanced, genetically modified crops, pesticides, farming techniques and fertilizers. An advanced society who grows food in massive quantities in controlled labs it would literally never happen.

Food in space 4x is dumb.

>>175733414
Nevermind, turns out the Aztec beat me in science in the last minute, lel
So much for inflated confidence

>>175733662
Not an argument. Just some rich boy's logic.

>>175732648
It's directly tied to pop growth.
I don't understand. Do you want there to be LESS resources?

>>175734004
No, he's just a spoiled boy who never was hungry and his life and believe that food is a common ressources that you find by just bending and grabbing it.

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>>175733645

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>>175733645

>play Stellaris
>have to pick between two tech to research
>"fine, I'll just pick one, the other will be available later"
>Stellaris doesn't replace the researched technology at random, it replaces the entire pool
>retards will defend that as "good design"
Suck my dick, Paradox.

>have two 90k fleets
>warp them from different systems to enemy 130k fleet
>first fleet enters combat while other fleet arrives at other end of system
>takes literary five minutes for second fleet to crawl across system
>first fleet wiped before second fleet even gets close
>both fleet wipes while enemy still has 100k left

Why is this game so bad? Takes no time at all to travel from system to system and combat is over in seconds but traveling in systems take ageeees, especially when you enter combat and and suddenly everything is in slowmotion.
How am I supposed to be strategic about fleets when it is impossible to time a two fleet engagement

>>175734312
Can't you do a months worth of research into one, switch to the other to complete it and then the other will be locked in because it has progress?

>>175734462
>can't time his fleets worth shit
>WTF is impossibl!
retard
as for your "but it's not realistic" bullshit, FTL is not possible from within a gravitational field
there, only took me all of two seconds to come up with

>>175734462
>Why is this game so bad?
Paradox.
They try to cater to a casual audience (no offense meant, but Paradox's games are usually niché), so Stellaris is a lite grand strategy game, but they mix that to a complete lack of experience when it comes to 4x, so you have a game that put a lot of emphasis on the exploration and the diplomacy but is ironically very shitty everywhere else. Including the diplomacy itself. The only good part is the exploration, and sadly, that doesn't make it replayable.
It also doesn't help that they label everyone that doesn't like the game as a "hater" and only listen to their hugbox in ParadoxPlaza.

>>175734597
I guess that would work, but fuck shit.

>>175733662
why would you want to have a significant population on a gas giant?
everything that can be obtained from a gas giant can be gotten from skimming the atmosphere and collecting the air, all you'd get is a whole fuckton of people living in a thick atmosphere at the very bottom of a massive gravity well contributing pretty much nothing
i mean, sure, some people would want to live there simply for the novelty of it, but you have pretty much no reason to be having any big colonization efforts, if you need the extra living space you'd be better off just building habitats

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>>175728774

>Go full plasma/lasers vs. Unbidden
>Spam disruptors vs. Prethoryns
>Put PD/hangers on all ships vs. AEs

It's not that hard faggot.

>>175734767
Don't use porn movies as reaction pics.

>>175734767
I was talking about fellow empires fielding titans and leviathans in forces over twice the size of your own. Not a crisis. Not a missile-obsessed AE.

>>175734686
Did you even read my post?

>>175734924
Your question was "How am I supposed to be strategic about fleets when it is impossible to time a two fleet engagement"

The answer is that it's really easy to time stuff and if you're too shit to do it just group your fleets before entering an enemy-occupied system.

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>>175734848

DELET

>>175735056
Nigga, I know she's supposed to be a zombie, but zombies don't walk around with a whip and a leather short skirt. That's something nazis do in porn movies.

1.6 when

>>175735013
Both fleet entered at system at same time I'm talking about in system travel, try it sometime

>>175735130
What, is this porn about a zombie engaging in BDSM?

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>>175735130

>>175734848
Fucker he can use whatever he likes

>>175735192
Then maybe you could have timed it so the fleet with the longest path to travel arrived before the other one?

>>175735192
Yeah, so you jump the one that's going to show up on the opposite side of the system first.

>>175735206
Or at least roleplay. That's how it looks like.

>>175733662
Have you ever been to a field? Have you ever seen just what a patently ridiculous amount of biomass there is growing on just a few hectares? Just try to picture it, you're probably way under.
And humans dedicate massive, massive stretches of land to that task. And this is dirt cheap labor that requires even less work than you think. This is why hydroponics are a fucking joke right now and in the near future.
To recap: it's a shitload more produce than you think and a fuckton more land than you think for less labor than you think and cheaper than you think
Now remember that this is space. Everything is more expensive in space.
Yes I think dedicating 10-15% of a planet's entire surface to food is reasonable, if not optimistic. Yes I think it's reasonable that spaceport orbital hydroponics suck.

Actually, what's your complaint again?

>>175734767

I want her to dominate me in her native kiwi accent

>>175735347
He's being a retard.
Probably never saw a farm in his entire life and think that pasta grows on trees.

>>175735271
>>175735246
True maybe I'm just retarded

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Gonna do a synthetic playthrough using pic related as inspiration. What perks would this meme civ have?

>>175735493
Nanomachines, son.
Warrior culture, son.
Military service, son.
Ayyyy lmao, son.

>>175687747
They blew it up. Those damn fools blew it all up.

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>>175735605

Kek, thanks anon.

>>175733662
Also two things
1) What you're describing with colonizing a gas giant is literally already in the game, it's called a habitat
2) If you really think bad harvests don't exist, you really are a retard. I've had real life relatives go broke and quit business due to floods scrapping the entire harvest. Though that other guy is over exaggerating when he says it's worse than a war.
Another thing you may find funny: Farmers handle a shitton of money in produce. They just don't get much of it.

The only thing I dislike about food is how excess adds to the growth rate, that makes no sense to me.

Excess food should be a small bonus to happiness or something.

>>175735718
Dude, you're talking to a guy who thinks that laboratories somehow have the mean to produce enough food to feed an entire empire.
Of course he's a retard.

An uncultured retard who never left his city and has no idea how expensive it is to grow food.

Playable Primitives + Dynamic Borders turns the game into something completely different, hell Dynamic Borders alone changes the game a lot.

Would recommend if you can deal with not doing shit for the first 20 years

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OTC is the only game I've seen that tried to map what resources a space society would really need.

>>175737074
And food is extremely important there.

>>175737074

Offworld trading colony looks like that now?!

Did they fix the unplayable lag when it comes to the UI?

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Huh, really makes you HAK HAK HAK

>>175737423
It's quite good, now.

At what point should you start pumping out labs? I feel like I overfocus on power and minerals early on.

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Have mods finally gone too far?

>>175737798
Not far enough.

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>>175737423
>now
SOON

>>175735718
I thought habitats were in orbit.

>>175737631
When you can afford to do so.
You should overfocus on minerals and power early on.

>>175711142
>viable
nope

Stellaris needs a de facto/de jure owner system, It just doesn't make sense that a Xenophobe could take away my +9 physics blackhole and my 14+ minerals system, and I wouldn't be able to defend thrm because they have a colony near me

>>175737074
>>175737182

OTC is easily hundreds of years behind the technology available at the very start of most 4x spacegame though.

On the scale of a colony sure, but on the scale of a galactic empire it's not even close. Water is one of the most abundent naturally occurring elements in the universe.

>>175738613
>water
>element
You're right on the abundance though.

>>175738571
borders are bullshit yes
paradox is changing how they work next patch?

Played stellaris for the first time. How exactly do you beat a superior AI without corvette rushing early the in the game?

The AI that declared war on me basically has the same exact tech as me, but their planets are larger with more resources, and they breed twice as fast.

>>175738834
Destroyer rushing

>>175738571
>de jure
Yes anon, tell us how your fresh on the scene species has a historical claim to that black hole they've held for twenty years at best.

>>175738823
They're forcing you to build a frontier outpost in every single system, else that system isn't claimed. Things are going to get worse.

>>175738834

Always keep your fleet at the cap and build spaceports over all your worlds.

>their planets are larger with more resources, and they breed twice as fast.

sounds like you rolled bad rng. The ai is retarded though, but early game without room to maneuver, wars can be tricky if you're not prepared.

Spam corvettes until you get destroyers, then kit them out as S/M gunboats and make them the bulwark of your fleet until you get cruisers.

>>175739204
Sounds better than what they have now desu with borders randomly flip flopping

What kind of galaxy size do you need to not get fucked by the AI if you're only going to colonise ringworlds?

>>175739379
It doesn't matter, the guaranteed starting colonizable planets spawn regardless of size and density so you'll get memed on if you insist on playing One Planet Challenge until 2300 or so.
That's before going into building a ringworld off one planet's worth of mineral income.

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>cute little space moths pop out from a pre-ftl species in another empires borders
I will never let them be bullied by those rude slavers to the south.

>>175739347
>Sounds better
>Takes 500 years to expand at all
>Democracy is even more overpowered.
>People can snipe systems out of your land at a heartbeat because you forgot to build an outpost in that empty system.

>>175739621
>takes 500 years to expand
Good
>democracy is more overpowered
Imfluence isnt even that important with factions farming
>people can ninja claim
Already can in the game

>>175739559
Would it make sense to remove the multiple megastructure limit for the initial stage (that's basically a habitat) and the final stage (that's filling in the already-engineered frame) of a ringworld?

Only the planet recycling seems like the kind of work that would actually take an entire empire's engineering corps.

>>175739767
>Good
Have we even played the same game? Stellaris doesn't have enough content to maintain an interesting game that long. It's going to have been numbers ticking on a screen for four hundred years at that point.

>Factions farming
They're hard as shit to farm since they like to pop up at opposite ethos.

>Already can
No, because borders are decided by proximity. That system with a 10 tile planet? They could just snatch that, because borders won't exist anymore.

>>175740006
The game moves too fast as it is all claims end after like 2260
Faction farming is easy get gud.
And no the ai always ninjas frontiers unclaimedsystems close to you and take your resources

>>175740209
>The game moves too fast
And yet it dries up all its content halfway through already.

>>175740517
So?
What youre basically arguing is dont play the game cos theres no content

>>175682329
torpedos will fix this cunts wagon in 2 seconds.

>>175738571
>Stellaris needs a de facto/de jure owner system
Plz just kill yourself

>>175703061
This, being able to go full hive, organic ship, infest world and gene modding would be good as.

>>175741861
>Plz just kill yourself
De facto or de jure?

>>175705027
Totally shit mate, missile are awful.

>>175741947
Missiles are objectively the best weapon at the very start while fleet sizes remain tiny and point defenses don't exist.
It's still risky to start with though because bad tech draws can mean you're shit out of luck once fleet sizes start increasing and destroyers start rolling out.

>>175742108
you might get an advantage in the first 20 years of the game, which is nothing

>>175739581

Cute. CUTE!

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An admirable attempt on the AI's part but not nearly enough power behind it.
I'm surprised they tried at all though, never seem them dedicate a huge force at trying to take stuff like this out.

>>175742630
That's a lot of ring sections.

>>175742630
100k fleet pwoer isnt enough?

>>175742962
Oh god, no, Araboth is a really, really tough nut to crack, especially as you can't prioritise the mobile ship which oversees the defence.

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>>175742630

but mistaken

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>>175742962
You tell me mate.

>>175743329
What the fuck is that and how fast do its shields regen?

>>175743404
Really fucking fast.
It has six components with +100% shield regen and three with 5% hull regeneration.

>>175743329
this is a mod right