/fhg/ - For Honor General

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First for Warden is fucking neutered HAHAHAHHA WHERE ARE ALL THOSE SCREENSHOTS YOU WERE GONNA POST WHEN THE PATCH NOTES CAME OUT?

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>>174621295
HAHAAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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Reposting for new thread.

Warden:
>Shoulder Bash cancel timing into Guard Break reduced to 300ms before end of startup (from 100ms before end of startup).
>Uninterruptible Stance timing on fully-charged Shoulder Bash startup reduced by 100ms in order to match the revised Guard Break cancel timing.
>Cancelling Shoulder Bash into Idle now causes a 200ms recovery with no defense (Wardens used to cancel out of Shoulder Bash instantly into Idle).
>The fully-charged visual and audio effects, will now only play once the cancel window is closed.
>Non-charged Shoulder Bash recovery on Miss increased to 800ms (from 700ms)
>[Bug Fix] Fixed an issue causing the Warden to spin around on hit with Shoulder Bash

Shugoki:
>Charge of the Oni no longer knocks down on contact
>Charge of the Oni’s 400ms startup is fully dodgeable
>Charge of the Oni trajectory can no longer be adjusted with the left stick
>Shugoki cannot regenerate stamina during Charge of the Oni
PK:
>Light Attack Miss recovery branching into >Chained Light Attack delayed by 100ms.
>Chained Light Attack recoveries on Interrupt Block increased to 700ms (from 600ms).
>Chained Light Attack recoveries on Hit increased to 700ms (from 500ms).

Orochi:
>Hurricane Blast has Uninterruptible Stance.
>Added Uninterruptible Stance Icon to Moveset page.
>[Bug Fix] Fixed rotation so that victim of >Hurricane Blast always faces the Orochi when stabbed.


Lawbringer:
>[Bug Fix] Light attack after Shove can no longer be blocked if opponent changes stance
>Updated Shove attack’s area of effect
>Updated post-Shove Light attack’s area of effect

Berserker:
>[Bug Fix] Fixed issue on Throws causing opponents to get knocked down earlier.

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So can we play Warden in peace now without autistic screeching from others?

>>174621295
Wow warden nerf is nothing i can still cancel into gb just not late into the charge

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>nerf Warden
>nerf Shugouki
>don't nerf the truly broken meta of this game

>>174621094
Main bullet points for those who don't want to read the article for patch notes:
>Network stability improvements
>Bleed bug fixed
>PK's whiffed first light has an extra delay
>PK's second light now has more recovery, putting her at frame disadvantage if she doesn't commit to chain enders
>LB's shove-light now works properly: the light is unblockable but dodgeable
>Warden's shoulder -> GB cancel requires an earlier cancel
>Warden's shoulder -> neutral cancel now has a hard .2s delay
>Warden's shoulder unblockable visuals are clearer when the cancel window is closed
>Berserker's exhaustion punish combo unjanked
>Orochi's heavy deflect-ripote (Hurricane Blast) now has super armor
>Shugoki's Charge of the Oni no longer knocks down on contact, cannot be steered, does not regen stamina and is fully dodgeable on startup

tl;dr -
>PK's second light, while still fast, is now explicitly unsafe if she doesn't commit to a chain ender
>Warden's shoulder charge mixup is now much tighter and doesn't offer nearly as much leeway as it does now
>Lawbringer's shove-light now works as intended
>Berserker's exhaution punish combo is fixed
>Orochi's heavy deflect-riposte has super armor to let him use his cancels more
>Shugoki's charge is not as oppressive anymore

How bad even is the Warden nerf? I'm having trouble comprehending what is and isn't possible under the new numbers.

Shitposting aside, did this really do anything other than tighten the timings to make the extremes a little less extreme?

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>>174621295
GET FUCKED WARDENS

YOU TASTE THAT? THATS THE TASTE OF BULLSHIT SHOULDERBASH GETTING FUCKED

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

DLC info?

>>174621365
Why the fuck did they take that hand sword stuff out? Would have gave wardy something a little different.

>>174621365
I'm pretty happy with these nerfs. The timing might be a little severe, hard to tell without playing, but it's hitting the things that made the bash mixup such low risk, so yeah, I'm done complaining for a long time.
I might not have made the penalties quite so severe, maybe cut 75-100ms off.

>>174621446
People can interrupt the bash with a light easier now.

This can still be countered through mental conditioning, i.e. doing two consecutive bashes until they start lighting you, then just do one bash and wait. The first bash was always harder to interrupt than consecutive ones, so it doesn't affect it too badly.

You can still feint-parry slower attacks like Assassin dodge attack.

>>174621352
>Shoulder Bash cancel timing into Guard Break reduced to 300ms before end of startup (from 100ms before end of startup).
Sooo they cant instantly cancel it to gb now?

>Warden nerf numbers released
>It's fucking nothing but pittance number changes by less than a quarter of a second
>Thread losing it's shit about WARDENS BTFO

Well, I'll take it. Shoulder is near untouched, and the retards are sated.

>>174621352
>>Charge of the Oni no longer knocks down on contact
What's even the point of his charge now then?

>>174621446
It's not bad at all you just cant cancel it late into the charge its still a 50/50 and people wills till bitch about it

>>174621446
More or less. Generally speaking, Warden can't GB-cancel nearly as late, and if he cancels back to neutral, there is a hard delay, meaning he cannot instantly parry anymore by cancelling the shoulder.

In short, all the pieces of Warden's shoulder mixup now require more hard commitment than before.

>>174621446
Ya pretty much just tightened timing and you have to commit to one of the possibilties of the vortex. You can't full charge then gb cancel any more. Cancel timings are also stricter.

>>174621681
They still can. They can't cancel it LATE and wait to see whether you dodge or not anymore.

>>174621365
Now you'll just have people laughing at the Warden players who actually thought thought the nerf was just going to be a stamina increase and nothing else

>>174621681
It means they can't cancel to guardbreak as late as they used to.

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>Lawbringer is the new Warlord

>all these shitters think warden got nerfed hard
>oni charge no longer has knockdown

Shugoki is the real loser this patch.

>>174621950
NOT FOR RAIDER
GB MY DODGE I FUCKING DARE YOU SEE IF I GIVE A SHIT

>playing shitty Ubisoft pay 2 win peer to peer games

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>>174621950
>Warden is the new Lawbringer

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DLC info?

This stream is fucking boring

>>174621950
Hardly. Shove from neutral was already really easy to dodge and GB and they're making it even easier now.
Yes I know it's stupid on block we all know it's stupid on block.

>>174622053
>pay 2 win
(you) stop that now

>>174621705
Don't forget about the shoulder charge's unblockable VFX not becoming apparent until after the shoulder is fully committed to. Once the VFX appears, you now know the Warden can no longer cancel the shoulder and can act appropriately.

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>>174622096
The only difference between them is that one gets bash from defence and the other from offence

>>174622128
I bet you're the same retards who play siege, pathetic

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>>174621995
Why would you even use Charge now, in any context? Even if you're trying to gank someone in Revenge, Demon's Embrace was always the superior option.

>>174622137
>its fucking nothing
You keep telling that to yourself, buddy

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What, no one's going to talk about the Peacekeeper's nerf? She can no longer mash lights without risking a punish, because whiffing the first light incurs a penalty, and the second light is now explicitly more unsafe.

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>>174622137

>>174622134
It's not the unblockable effects, its the "this wil guarantee a top heavy if it hits you" effects. The uninteruptable flash and shit.

Plus, this is only about the GB cancel. You can still feint the shoulder with the same timings. They only nerfed how late you could cancel directly into a GB, and how quickly the hard cancel puts you into idle.

>>174622365
Sounds good to me, perfectly willing to wait and try it out before bitching.

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>>174622384
>he actually added my king crimson copypasta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm2D7ohWos0

>>174622365
Cant wait to AD MORTEM these guys to oblivion.

>>174622384
Why are we better friends with /tfg/ than /r6g/?

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ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME UBISHIT?!

FUCK YOU FAGGITS TALKING ABOUT WARDEN

SHUGOKI GOT FUUUUUUCKED HE IS USELESS NOW, USELESSSSSS. HIS ONLY SAVING GRACE. DEAD, OF COURSE NON OF YOU CARE BECUASE YOUR ALL SHITTERS WHO THOUGHT WARDEN WAS OP.

>>174622528
The second light will still be as fast as it is now, but its recovery, both on hit and whiff, is longer now. She must commit to a chain ender or something similar.

>all they did was trim the ends off the shoulder mixups and make it harded to parry from shoulder

Say it with me lads

FUCK BITCHES

>>174622598

since /r6g/ is full of namefags and they all hate ubisoft games that arnet siege sooo

>>174622608
i said countless times that he will be shit after they remove it without compensating

wtf happened to "we want to take is slow to not over nerf/buff someone"?

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>nerfing shugoki into utter uselessness

>>174622608
You can still ring out with the oni charge, but the instant knockdown the moment the charge started was what made truly oppressive.

>>174622736
They said a couple weeks ago that the oni charge was always meant to be a "fringe" move, something you occasionally use once in a while, not become one of the most core parts of his kit.

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>the more active faction gets the rewards
>winning a round means nothing
TO THE BREACH!

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>>174622679
CANCEL BASHES

>>174622608
why are you surprised, this is exactly what they did to conc I suspect they have some changes planned for season 2

>>174622821
To be fair, Oni Charge was some dumb shit. It was more broken than pre-nerf Warlord.

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>>174622890
>get guardbroken

>>174621370
lol that Conq went out of stam doing that and super easy to block/parry. But alright.

>Raider was one of the first characters confirmed to have a buff on the way
>Only character that hasn't had any balance changes

GETTING REAL TIRED OF THIS SHIT, UBI. REAL FUCKING TIRED.

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>Orochi buff: Hurricane Blast now has super armor
Eh, I'll take it.

>>174623106
did they just forget lol

So who's next on ubi's nerf hammer list? Law once shitters start to complain about turtles shove 50/50s? PK? Make warlord worthless? Who?

>>174623106
Play Bers. Its a Raider on roids

>>174623246
The shove out of neutral is piss easy to dodge though

>Mompollyon statue for whoever wins the raffle

GET IN THERE BOYS ONE OF US NEEDS TO WIN
I WANT SOMEONE TO CUM ON MOMPOLLYON

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>Giving away Apollyon statue in today's raffle

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>DLC next week


FUCK WE ALREADY KNOW IT YOU FUCKS

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>>174623053
>Get reaction parried

>>174623385
How do you even enter

>>174623476
step 1: have a twitch account
step 2: type !raffle in chat

>>174623458
>parrying a guard break
Warden players in a nutshell

>>174623458
You can't reaction-parry anymore. There is now a hard .2s delay on the shoulder -> neutral cancel.

>>174623385

Its hot gluing you newfag

>>174623335
Ya but do you think Lawbringer won't just start turtling now? Especially in 1v1s? Why do you think I said turtle shoves?

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>>174621503
Probably just because of the extra animation work involved.

>>174622123
I guess people haven't realized it yet, but LB Shove is the new shitty option-select.

Options after he shoves you:
Shove -> take light attack
Shove -> dodge, and LB guaranteed Long Arm because you're already dodging into guaranteed Heavy, or LB GBs you for free Heavy.

>>174623551
Which is fine, honestly. Being able to cancel and parry a light solely on reaction was nuts. Now, you need to predict they're going to light and cancel just a hair early.

>>174623539
Read this>>174623551
you can still parry things like side step attacks

>>174621503
Because it looks clunky, and the extra work animating it for just a bit of flavor wasn't worth it.

It's just an alternative animation for the heavy>heavy chain.

>>174623741
Gb goes into a wall throw tho, and thats most possibly a top heavy+light

>>174623741
That's not an option select. Stop using fighting game terms if you don't know what they mean.

It's just a mixup.

>Remember everyone, don't miss next week. We have some cool stuff coming up.

DLC confirmed?

>>174623741
Law doesn't even have to parry anymore. He gets a fucking 50/50 off of any block.

>>174623912
It's the end of the season next week, and we'll be entering the several-week-long offseason, so that'll give them time to do the slow trickle of season 2 reveals (maps, characters, etc).

>>174623860
Thats what I said. Delay = free GB

>>174623912
They'll start showing off DLC stuff next week.
Expect a fancy timeline of reveal dates that shows silhouettes of each new item until they've been revealed, culminating in the reveal of Centurion and Shinobi.

>>174623882
Maybe if they actually took the time to improve the animation instead of scrapping it at first roadblock would have made it not look so clunky.

So does Orochi have a 50/50 off Deflect now?

You can't interrupt Hurricane Blast anymore. If he lets it rip, you have to dodge or get hit. If he feints it into a GB, you have to NOT dodge.

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>>174623912

>known since fucking launch
>we got some NEW CONTENT

Ubisoft games have the asier files to datamine

So, did the patch make LB really good, are people just memeing, or is everyone just retarded?

>>174623246
Why does WL have armor on heavies?

Honestly take that away, tweak his shit so his lights and heavies don't have the same startup and I think he'd be fine

>>174624207
We've known about the Centurion and Ninja since fucking CLOSED BETA, if not earlier. And they're still acting like it's some big fuckoff secret.

what does oni charge even do now? all it ever did was knockdown

>>174623175
Any Orochis actually using their deflect a lot? Deflect is so risky, it's normally not worth it, especially since I used to be a LB, so I'm a parry king.

>>174623426
Anyone talked about that Centurion has Knight Feats, and Ninja has Samurai feats? Always a chance that they're just placeholders, but I'd say it's good indication they're gonna be new Knight and Sam heros.

>>174624375
They do this because casuals likely have no idea about the leaked characters, and they'll be hyped when they get revealed even though we've seen them for months

>>174624161
Yes, Orochi's Hurricane Blast mix-ups are actually usable now that it has super armor. He can either let it rip for big damage, he can GB-cancel, he can dodge-cancel, and he can cancel into the light riposte-stab (Wind Gust).

>>174624419
You know that stumble that would happen when Warden's SB would hit you, but not squarely? Doesn't confirm anything, just makes it so you couldn't punish him?

It's probably going to do that now.

>>174624273
Really? Honestly I think more heavy characyer should have armor on heavys like laws heavy blockable finisher or conqs full charge heavy.

>>174621710
This

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Post emblems

>>174624420
Deflect has always been risky, since you're dodging into an attack with tighter-than-parry timing. It's why the reward you get for pulling off a deflect is so large. PK and Valkyrie both get a chunky bleed stab, and Berserker gets a guaranteed auto-GB. Orochi has two deflect-ripostes: Wind Gust (light) for quick unblockable damage, or Hurricane Blast (heavy) for massive unblockable damage that can be cancelled into a GB, dodge or Wind Gust.

With this "Hurricane Blast has super armor" buff, Orochi can now actually use that mixup. Before, you could never use it because people would just smack you out of Hurricane Blast, and there'd be no point to it. Now that Hurricane Blast can't be interrupted, Orochi is now in full control of his own mixup.

>>174624209

it made him really stupid

all he has to do is block>shove>light

you cant block the light, but you cvan dodge it but all he has to do now is gb, so every attack he blocks he gets a 50/50

>>174624591
Either take his shit away or bring Law/Conq up to par with him. Currently his kit is just amazing. I still think his animation needs tweaking because his lights come out extremely fast and his heavies are much more delayed, yet they have nearly identical startups. Going for an early feint against warlord gets you a gladius to the face because hehe it looks the same!

>>174624973
Valkyrie's deflect stab can be blocked. AI's done it to me a million times in duel practice

>>174625101
Not to mention you can just heavy and hit anyone who dodges.

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>>174625101
Stamina permitting.

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>>174624812

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>Raider buffs coming in 1.06 guys!
>1.06 notes come out
>No raider buffs

What the fuck is this shit?

>>174622608
>Shugoki is useless now because his charge is useless
Listen faggot, shugoki still has plenty of options. He ain't useless, but I'll agree that his charge now has no use besides getting you from point a to b faster.

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>Wardens get BTFOed
Lol did you fags even read the patch notes? Ill keep shoulder bashing you fags, so you can cry that the nerf wasnt enough.

>>174625530
he went from being the best at opening up defensive players to being tied for worst. worst nerf any character has received

>>174624812
No pic but my emblems are

>a Israeli flag
>a unionjack
>a isis flag
>a deusvult flag

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>>174625316
Thats four fucking options
VERSATILE

>>174625613
It was a nerf that needed to happen. Shugoki's charge was part of one of the most oppressive mixups in the game, and it had no business being as good as it was.

>>174625753
oh yeah shug was OP for sure, but he needed something in exchange for the nerf. as it is now he's just not viable

>>174625530
What makes him good? He's just like raider now, has to turtle to get off his good punishes. Now he has no openers.

>>174623741
>dodge, and LB guaranteed Long Arm
Back dodge then?

>>174624161
I've had people parry Hurricane Blast before. But I think the indicator on it is really quick tho.

>>174624812
newfags can't triforce

>people acting like Warden only had the Should Bash vortex going for him

lol

>People think Shug is useless now

If you actaully played him you'd know this isnt true

>>174624273
>Warlord has no unblockable
>Take away all protection of his heavies to make him useless other than push train
Fuck off with that shit.

>>174625934
Shugoki's core gameplan hasn't changed at all. He still wants to fish for trades with his super armor, and he wants to set up for heavy swings or his backbreaker.

>>174626113
His charge is definitely useless other than moving faster now.

>>174626113
how do you open up a turtle? feint the charge heavy?

>>174625993
Back dodge is guaranted GB

Basically, if a LB blocks your attack, you will take damage, because he will block,shove,then guaranteed hit

>>174625610
You cant spam that shit no more, baby

>>174625934
>Heavy feints
>Unblockables
>Headbutt
Yeah son, totally useless. Just write off the whole need to sprinting to charge bullshit.

>>174626219
As an LB main this does sound kinda bullshit.

I'm starting to think this game might be un-balanceable.

>>174626113
Shug is now raider tier
Good if you know how to use him and parry
Shit against good players who know your tricks

>>174626221
in lower level brackets, this won't change a thing, but now we should see Warden getting destroyed in higher brackets.

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I can't wait for this next update

>>174626159
The charge is most likely useless now, yeah. But thinking that what made Shugo good was the charge is fucking autistic.

>>174626395
at high levels, the charge was exactly what made him good. do you think he'd have won all those tournaments, or even been played in them, without it?

>>174626378
Why didn't your guard come up at the beginning?

>>174625886
>just not viable
>Confirmed for never playing Shugoki past rep 1

>>174626352
Who cares about noobs. LB is going to be a fucking Giant dad of For Honor

>>174626395
It IS what made him good, it setup so many possiblities and put real pressure on turtles. Good players can reaction parry your lights and won't be gb out of no where now that his 50/50 is gone.

>>174626576
I do have him past rep 1, but that's mostly from fighting people who just swing into me and get parried. I'm concerned about his viability against competent players.

>>174626493
Yes, considering its fuck easy to dodge.

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Is LB good at 1v1/2v2 yet or not? I don't wanna play 4v4s.

>>174626378
I thought you can tech that? Bers dodge was over

>>174626574
bug with berzerker

getting hit puts them into recovery and resets their guard allowing anothing hit to land

>>174626703
It's not though. You can literally steer the charge into someone who rolls away

So I got lost, what just happened? Why is everyone talking about warden nerfs?

>>174626703
obviously i'm talking about the full 50/50 charge-guardbreak mixup, nobody just spams only the charge

>>174626675
>Shugoki unlocks and runs backward
>OH HE MUST BE GOING TO BAKE A CAKE
Fuck off, that shit was easy as fuck to read and anybody with a brain could dodge>light to get rid of his hyper armor. The only time it was OPPRESSIVE is when Shugo would come charging into a crowd, and at most, could only get a free light attack. That's not a gamechanger.

>>174626073
>implying he doesn't

Lights so slow that they're reactable and get parried the moment you throw them out. Zone attack that's punished on block. Crushing counter that deals 5 more damage than an Orochi heavy.

>>174626703
>only plays against shit shugokis who spam predictable oni charges
Good shugs don't miss and mix it up with gbs or parrys

>>174626320
I've been saying this shit for weeks, they just need to move the shove from blocking an attack to being hit by an attack. Bam, lawbringer is an actual counter-attacker instead of a turtle.

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>>174626574
>>174626834
I played badly

>>174626694
Shugoki players who know how to use him would rarely use the charge unless they were running to a point, or charging into a crowd because if you miss, you're basically guaranteed to lose your hyper armor.

>>174626834
>Bug with berzerker where he can't block after one hit
How did they manage that

>>174626898
Damn, I know I rarely saw good shugs but I didn't think people where this delusional about shug.

>>174627020
you're misinformed. it's like saying that wardens rarely use the shoulder bash because they get punished if they guess wrong.

>>174627014
playing badly doesnt mean that bug should exist

>>174626839
>rolling away quick enough to let the shugo change into you
Are you just braindead or what?

>>174626185

its hard, you have to gb him to really remove his armor, but a good shug will just light attack you when you try, best bet is to parry his lights but they are actaully tricky enough

>>174626332
you dont need parries, just good use of super armor, I barely ever used the charge myself, mostly so I could 50/50 a throw when they had no stam

>>174627020
>Shugoki players who know how to use him would rarely use the charge
stop embarrassing yourself
you clearly have no idea what are you talking about

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Let's be real for a moment here. No bias.

Was the game a flop?

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>>174627067
Only ever played one person who somewhat consistently dodged my charges

>>174627175
Parrying a light lands warden a top heavy, no bug here.

>>174627329
yes

>>174627182
This. Good shug completely destroys your stamina and makes think about his superarmor cd all the time

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>>174626352
So literally nothing will change, then? Warden has never been top tier.

>>174626919
>Charge doesn't knock down so they can't mix it up with gbs or parries

>>174627175
Parrying a light lets just about everyone land their slowest, strongest normal. I think Raider might be the only exception?

>>174626918
>Lights so slow
>Left side light a guaranteed 2 hit combo
>Upper light one of the fastest in the game

>>174627361
>Even wasting half your stamina on dodgeroll can't escape the charge
How is this balanced?

>>174627538
even raider gets a top heavy off parrying an assassin's light
not sure if kensei gets anything at all though

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>We're not going to slow down Peacekeeper's LL chain
>Instead, we'll penalize for whiffing the first light, and we'll put her at frame disadvantage after the second light
>Now she must commit to a chain ender or get bopped for continuing to mash lights
Was this the right call?

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>>174621950
MY BODY IS
R E A D Y
E
A
D
Y

>>174627198
>I play like this
>Anyone who doesn't rely on one move can't play
Yeah. Sure faggot.

>>174627182
>you don't need parries
>rarely charge
>his lights are tricky
Ya no, his lights are parry bait since everyone knows that's what he goes for when you point blank. And really you don't charge? That's like a warden not shoulder bashing, you're crippling yourself. And parries are part of his mix up off of charge.

>>174627178
>Quickly enough
Eat a gb then.


Honestly I feel lile most peoples experiences with shugokis are from shitter shugs. I rarely find good ones that know how to use their charge but i thought that was just me.

>>174627605
>side lights
600ms
parried every time vs someone decent
>top light
500 ms
parried at least 50% rest is blocked
>zone
500ms
100% blocked unless to punish feinting
but no one feints at high level
free gb on block

yup, he has a decent kit without shoulder

>>174626918
>>174627605
>>174627856
We've been over this, Warden without SB is a worse Orochi.

>>174627724
>implying i have a single game in shugoki
just stating the fact that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about
go watch some sypherPK vods of him winning tournaments and report back

>>174627490
>not realizing im talking about current shugoki

>>174627757
>Eat a gb then
Which the shugo can still do, as was my point. The only time a shugoki did a full charge, or rather, SHOULD do a full charge is into a group. Otherwise, the most likely thing is you're going to get dodged and slapped and lose your hyper armor.

>>174627915
Who gives a shit
Warden can fuck off and die

>Shugoki charge no longer knocks down

I agree that it was cancerous, but doesn't this give him an even worse version of the old Long Arm problem? A move that confirms into basically nothing in a 1v1 unless there's a ledge?

>>174627670
Literally all they needed to do was slow down her lights and speed up her heavies.
The fact that they continue to ignore this shit and give her shitty little "nerfs" makes me believe that one of the devs must main PK

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>>174628072
>buttmad
>nerfs are literally nothing
i guess you have to learn and git gud, cuck

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>miss stream
>watching past broadcast
>still notice the alien guy calling me out in chat

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Anyone else think this will be massive?


>>174627619
Its not, which is why its getting changed

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>>174628072
did a warden fuck your weeb shit anon? Accept your fate. You suck.

>>174628072
Have a Snickers, you're not yourself when you're butthurt.

>>174627670
Is chain ender a light or a heavy?

>>174628012
No, he can't. That was just part of his mix up, now that there's no penalty for being hit by his charge people will just eat it instead of getting gb. You would be able to charge people and mix it up with gb and parries and even stopping and light attacking to be unpredictable.

>>174627856
>no one feints at high level

>>174628149
Old long arm confirmed a top kek.

>>174628165
>slow down her lights
console cuck be gone
the nerf is good i just wanted dmg nerf as well

>>174627757

maybe I dont care about cheesing shit, I still win most matches just through good use of hyper armor and parries with wallsplat and embrace because shugoki is the ultimate comeback character in a 1v1

you dont realize just how good the hyper amror is

>>174628234
>posting this last stream
>posting it every stream

>>174628257
Does that mean shoulder bash is punishable if you're too far away to be smacked full-force?

>>174628165
Forcing frame disadvantage after LL means she can only convincingly get away with the chain once. If she keeps trying to mash, she'll be left open. To be frank, despite being the most comnnonly-requested nerf, slowing down her lights would kill her outright, and no one wants that.

>>174628312
PK's chains are LLH, LH and HH.

>>174628324
Wait wait. So you're saying that now, because the opponent will not be knocked down, that you can't GB them or parry them? That makes no fucking sense.

>>174628214
>>174628270
>>174628279
The warden defens(iv)e force has arrived
Enjoy your nerf

>>174628498
You can still score a ring out with the charge, since it still forcibly displaces people.

>>174628498
The opponent has no reason to attack or dodge now, that's the problem.

The 100% always-correct response to a Shugoki running at you is to just stand still and wait. If they GB you, just tech it. They can't parry you if you don't swing first.

And if they charge you, nothing happens. Reset to neutral. Does it make sense yet?

>>174628409
I sincerely hope so.

Fun fact: this bug goes through shugo super armor for some reason, with its removal shugo actually has a chance against warden

>>174628414
Then this nerf is fucking nothing.

>>174628695
How do you figure?

>>174628662
You'll still be staggered, which will, at the least, open you up for a light.

>>174628532
I will, because it doesn't really change much while it'll lift the stigma off my class.

>>174628270
Reminder that the only true knight is the Lawbringer.

Warden is vortex spam
Conq is shield bash spam
PK is light attack spam

>>174628498
>shugoki running at you
>he will try to gb or atack you
>or charge you that has no follow up now

Your options:
>sit still and block/parry/cgb
>eat a charge, get stumbled back and be reset to neutral.

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Soooo, patch when?

>>174628331
>implying anyone parries Warden's heavies when they could just parry his slow lights

>>174628532
Then tell me in what way the SB is any different than before i can still force you into a 50/50

>>174628887
Tuesday for PC. Consoles will have to wait longer.

>>174627013
Why should he take the damage?

>>174628886
>get stumbled and smacked
>No followup

>>174628834
>which will, at the least, open you up for a light
[citation needed]

It'll be as useless as pre-buff Shove, screencap this.

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>>174628860
The fuck is this pic

Where are the new executions?

>>174628993
>for a light if anything

>>174628993
Smacked by what? It takes too long for him to stop and attack you, without the getting-up animation from the knockdown.

>>174628924
It's not free anymore and you can actually eat shit if you try to abuse it

>>174629083
One of those so-called "human toilets" you see paraded in hentai. She's got stuff written on her like "big-time masochist" and "cumming inside is OK" and whanot.

>>174629235
But what does it do here of all places

>>174629146
If they don't get knocked down, they'll still have to be forced out of the way, and staggered. That's plenty of time to get a light off. Or it should be.

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>>174629343
You tell me.

>>174629168
>if you try to abuse it
means i'll still play the way i have been playing until now, i rarely SB out of neutral and that's only when my opponent is just sitting there not attacking and i also only ever do 1 or 2 SB consecutively

>>174628879
When they neuter the block>shove this will be accurate. Rewarding a block with a 50/50 is ridiculous.

>>174629343
its how it feels to play the game

>>174628879
Lawbringer is shove 50/50 spam

>Never get angry at the game itself.
>Matchmaking errors and other assorted bullshit drives me insane.
STOP KICKING ME FROM QUEUES
STOP JOINING FOREVER ONLY TO DC
STOP KICKING ME FROM LOADING SCREENS

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>>174629484
Then I have no beef with you friend haha

The problem with you niggers is that youre playing 2v2 and 1v1 and being tryhard faggots who cant take a loss


true patricians main the 4v4 modes because they are where fun shit happens and its not all about muh ego

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>>174621352

>Charge of the Oni no longer knocks down on contact
You deserve this so hard. Get absolutely fucked.
Get. Fucked.

>>174629601
Not yet he isn't.
Hopefully that doesn't last very long after the patch either.

>>174622254
underrated filename

>>174621352
>Charge of the Oni no longer knocks down on contact
This means you'll have to knock them into a wall to get your free heavy right? I'm okay with that.

>>174621352
tldr:
The game is saved lads

>>174629887
We don't know what kind of shove it will be or for how long their stuned, It may not even have wallbang properties. But if it does and that let's you get a heavy off than it won't be too bad.

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>>174630021
>Turtle meta stronger than ever before

Good joke

>>174627013
Calm your need for nerf. He's not a turtle but an actual counter, you attack the law? You get the Pow.

>>174630272

>I can't blindly bash people anymooore waaaaahh
KEK

>>174630234
I'd be okay with either wallbang or a free heavy, hell even a free light would be acceptible-ish.
Hopefully it has the same shove distance for ledging people.

>>174630308
>you attack, you get punished
This is the definition of a turtle.

>>174630320
Warlord is even stronger now that shugs charge has been nerfed into oblivion, it was the only real hard counter.

>>174630432
The only hardcoutner to current warlord is not being a mongoloid and his headbutt is slow and has shit for range ow.

>>174630414
You keep saying that. I'll go smash some shitters while """""turtling"""""

>Make a comment about carrying at the end of a game when it was completely a team effort.
>Match with one of the guys again and he makes a quip about it.
>Laugh and say yeah he was the real mvp with those roams.
>Gonna be a fun match I can tell.
>Instantly disconnect.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH UBISOOOOOOOFT

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Can someone explain why attack SFX sometimes don't play?

I rely pretty heavily on audio cues for certain attacks, such as telling the difference between Warlord lights and heavies, but sometimes he throws out a heavy without the constipated HRRNGH sound and I mistime it since the visual wind-up is so similar.

I also notice this with Raider zone attack or Warden shoulder bash a lot, but at least those look distinct.

Where my valk mains at?

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>when the enemy team is 4 Lawbringers

>>174630545
Warlord is the best turtle still and
Turtling>all
Only warden shug and somewhat PK could counter him. Now warden might be able to, shug has no chance, and PK is the same if not easier to fight as warlord.

How much of a differeance doesnt maxed feat cooldown have?

>>174630605
That's kinda my point though. He's ONLY going to smash shitters because everyone else is just going to refuse to attack at all ever unless they have unblockables to spam.
I want to parry people and AD MORTEM them through the crust of the earth, and if they make attacking law AT ALL a suicidal proposition I'll never get to.

t. Rep10 law main

>>174630545
How do you beat a warlord that NEVER initiates an attack but just blocks everything and attacks only when it's a confirmed hit?

>>174630893
33%

>>174630545
Headbutt speed was unchanged, they only adjusted the tracking.

https://youtu.be/BPF_QafJ4jY

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>>174630320
Your just a retard lashing out at everything. Christ.

>>174630921
Shoulder bash him as a warden.

>>174630921
How do you beat anyone that NEVER initiates an attack but just blocks everything and attacks only when it's a confirmed hit?

>>174631478
Wait until ubi patches the block damage on heavies to be more like 50-80% instead of 15%.

>>174630814
Thanks to that post, I've now discovered Mario Brothers Anime. Still doesn't answer why he's blue though lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrQV5Sq8v64

>>174631773
This was long before they settled on Luigi's green color scheme.

>>174630918
Law's been an underdog since the release, you'll never have a chance against experienced players.
Not even ad mortem can save us.

t. Rep 7 lawbro

>>174631478
Thats the point, as long the defensive meta is there if you dont have a way to open up turtles there is nothing you can do, once they fix the meta i wouldn't even mind if they removed shoulder bash entirely and replaced it with some other unblockable.

>>174632009
I know man, but this stupid shove isn't helping me feel good about it. My KDR has actually gone DOWN slightly since the buff because even the bugged non-guaranteed light means people attack way less.

>>174624973
not to mention Hurricane blast does a ridiculous 50 damage. It was also complete shit as any light interrupted it. I often go for defects on light attacks, and parry heavies (because if the opponent has a brain, they'll see you deflect, feint heavy, and get an untechable gb on your dodge). So if you consistently hit deflect on light attacks, especially telegraphed direction locked sidestep attacks, this small change is the difference between always using the light deflect, and having the choice to use heavy/ heavy cancel into top light/gb.

teammates are more annoying than enemies

they get in the way so much, anything from saving enemies that are about to fall down a hole to getting in the way of your attacks

I serioiusly question the intelligence of these people that just see an enemy and just start mashing away at r1

>>174627329
Kinda, yea

I still enjoy it for now, though

>>174631478
feint to to light attack, feint to GB. Most classes can push a pace fast enough to get through little by little.

>>174632112
Block damage is supposed to fix this, but they released the game with it nerfed to prevent everyone devolving into lightspammers. I'd rather a (slightly) defensive Meta though. Warriors in medieval combat don't just spam left click to defeat their enemies, because a wrong attack means you're fucking dead.

>>174632536
>Block damage is supposed to fix this
Still remains the problem that parrying is too easy and if you wiff a parry you can just feint the heavy into a block/parry

>>174632461
>Caring about kdr
Don't do that to yourself man, the game hasn't even implemented competitive mode. Have some fun playing 4v4 modes and stomping on shitters

So how is Warlord after the nerfs?

>>174633235
Still good.

>>174633069
I don't care about it, I'm just saying that the buff making people even more defensive against me isn't making the game more fun or making me win more.
At least that's how it feel up at rep10 in duels and brawls, he's probably wrecking face in 4v4. Maybe I should take your advice.

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reminder

>>174633418
>literal quarter of a second changes

wow i saw all the shitposting and expected more than this

does this do anything other than make it so you can only block lights on reaction instead of parry?

>>174633538
basically yes, and made it easyer to punish missed bashes, it's the same as before, but a bit easyer
only real change is gb cancel timing reduced
and back to neutral, so you can prediction gb the warden most of the time

not even a stamina nerf

>>174633727
>easyer
>twice

what the FUCK

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>>174633418

>>174633418
there was so much shitposting, i literally cannot fit it into 3.0mb to be readable

will do a better version tomorrow

>>174633784
s-sorry

>>174633418
>the guy that predicted the nerf almost exactly
>except he expected it would be worse than it was

You can't make this shit up

>PK still PK after two nerfs
>Warlord still good
>Warden's bash almost untouched

>Conq got neutered
>Shug got neutered

[HEAVY CRIES OF PAIN]

What the hell is Ubisoft doing with revenge?

It's useless for trying to escape like they said because you can just be stunlocked and they haven't actually fixed revenge builds popping in only a few hits.

But you can still activate it in 1v1s or even when you're ganking someone.

>>174633409
Yeah man I hear you, people tend to play way more defensive against law now

>>174634536
Ya I don't understand why they nerfed revenge itself. They should have just nerfed revenge gear so 108s can't 1v4 by spamming.

>>174634536

they should just diable it in 1v1s and tone the damage and defense slightly from old revenge
that would be perfectly fine

>>174634536
Revenge fix:

Nerf the gains of Revenge gear, but don't lower the base Revenge stats
Increase Revenge defense, lower Revenge attack
Give Revenge a constant uninterruptible effect.

Revenge is no longer highly lethal, but works as a method to create space and to allow an outnumbered player a moment of aggression, or the ability to escape the crowd.

Ganks would now have a rhythm of attack or defense. Do damage to the player, defend against his revenge, wait for it to run out, and continue attacking.

>>174635829
You'll still die to people just spamming unblockable tackle moves or command grabs.

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ROMANS FUCKING WHEN

I started playing Berserker today, I should have done this way earlier.

Female Berserker a CUTE

>>174636007
3 WEEKS

are any other guys on console having issues with valks lights?
it honestly seems like it would be better just to block and not even try to parry them

>>174636825
I was, but then I decided to learn Raider and just sat there parrying bot lights for about 2 hours. Now I can do it on command.

Valkyrie is actually one of the best ledge killers in the game

Underrated hero desu

>>174636331
>I should have done this way earlier.
This is how it always starts. You'll have alot of fun destroying bads who try to parry you with feint mixups.
But sooner or later you're going to bump into someone who knows your greatest weakness, blocking.
Then it becomes a bitter experience as you discover you don't have anything usable in high level play and will be forced to try and be a parry bot with reactive guard. It can be done if you're a parry god, but that counts for any class.
Unless the defense meta gets fixed, I recommend not putting too much time into zerker. It will only end in frustration

>>174637124
Well I main Kensei and i'm rep 12 with him, I know struggles, Berserker is so far the only other class that clicks with me besides maybe Nobushi

Can anyone give me a how to on afk farming on pc? I'm not trying to get a suspension and I want the reps.

>>174621094
>Recovery time after a missed shoulderbash is 800 ms ( FREE GB )
>h-haha it's nothing!!

I'm glad they destroyed this fucking cancer. Fuck Shugoki too.

>>174637379
for a free gb it needs to be at least 1000ms
:^)

>>174623731
LB still has the slowest guard switch in the game

>>174637453
Wrong

Are revenge knockdowns fucked right now?

Law can't knock anyone down with shove 70% of the time and when he does he can't even heavy afterwords.

Any Shugoki mains that know what to do after a succesful headbutt now?
It pushes them so far back, I don't really see how you're supposed to take advantage of the stamina damage.
The only use I see for it now is getting to wait till your armor is up again.

Can I play Shugoki now without having to cringe at myself?

>>174637829

i suppose you can run up charge heavy feint

>>174632009
>>174632461
I'm starting to notice how Shove can now be spammed and you have your auto combo right there

I always liked Lawbringer but this doesn't feel right. If i'm not doing it it's like I'm not playing him right anymore.

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>can't believe i got demoted...
>wonder if they'll partner me with lawbringer again
>fuck i need my coffee

>>174637889
As long as demon's embrace is guaranteed after a wall throw he's op

>>174637483
Nigga guard switch speed only matters if you spam switching it around and go for parries and they feint. It won't mean shit to a turtle.

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>>174637379
That just means more people will try to side dodge it = GB will work more often

>>174638040
>character i don't like gets nerfed into uselessness
>s-still op guiz

>>174637979
Shove from neutral is fine. If you spam it any non-trash enemy will just dodge it and get free GB's on you, doubly so after next week's patch makes it even harder to land.
It really is just the shove from block that we should be worried about.

>>174637357
I think 1v1 AI duels with a rubber band around your analog sticks should do the trick.

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>roach upset he gets 2v1'd (despite being rep 5 and having revenge gear) in elimination
>bitches every round that they lose
>"What? I'm mad that you can't defeat an opponent 1v1 by relying on skill?"
>says pic related when told to fuck off to duels

really caches my cashews

>>174638582
Blame ubisoft for fixing the cancer before the turtle meta itself

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>>174624420
>Anyone talked about that Centurion has Knight Feats, and Ninja has Samurai feats? Always a chance that they're just placeholders, but I'd say it's good indication they're gonna be new Knight and Sam heros.
No way, the Centurion, that is revealed to be a still-present precursor to the Knight Legions in the Campaign, is in the Knight faction? And the weeb is in the weeb faction? I don't believe it

>off season will last for several weeks

hahahahahahahahaha

>>174638630
>>174637357

The player needs to confirm the character after every fight, and there isn't a timer to run out, so when AFKing you're stuck in hero select screen.

Best thing you could do without fear of being reported is queueing up with matchmaking off with a buddy with you.

>>174621094
So lawbringer is the new warden?

>benn grinding valk all day
>sominion matches freezes right as weve won
>TWICE

I so fucking close

goddamit UBI

>>174636886
>can now parry lights 9 time out of 10
>can now dodge the sweep
i'm unstoppable now

Is the 3-day champion status recommended?

>>174638783
If they're going to bust up the defensive meta, they'll do it between seasons.

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>>174639026
It's worse than warden since he can just wait for you to attack and punish you with a 50/50 on block
>>174638646
Most roaches are shitters

Does anyone have a webm of the earliest possible point in the animation where the Warden can cancel SB into GB?

>>174637979
>If Law isn't underpowered, how will I ever have an excuse for when I lose?
>If law isn't underpowered, how can I ever tell anyone my wins were with skill because no other class requires skill to play, only mine

You're making Law mains look bad, stop.

>>174636886
Is there a way to force the bot to use lights? Usually they're just using heavies against me.

>>174638998
Your character is auto selected after a timer runs out right?

>>174639338
Just go against a level 3 Valk. Duel Practice defaults to a Valk, and it lasts forever. That's what I did.

>>174639372
From what I've played, only if there's matchmaking on or another player with you, hence me recommending bringing a buddy along.

>>174639262
And I just hit rep 13, swell

>>174637357
Enter a 2v2 and alt tab during the VS screen you will be disconnected from the fight and your opponents will be AI but it still counts as player v player then just apply the rubber band

>>174639516
Well if anyone wants to AFK farm let me know and we can work this shit out. I want my conq cosmetics but I really want to play my warden. Ill be AFK farming in like a hour for 3 hours.

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>>174638646
Honorfags will never not be pathetic

>>174639741
But there's nothing stopping another player from hopping in and reporting me, right?

Also, how do they punish this?

>>174639852
If it helps with perspective, I was afking on Dominion before it was punishable and I got around 1 rep and about 2k worth of Steel in one night. I may have gotten disconnected during the farm

>>174639741
If i turn matchmaking off will it still make me pick my character?

>>174639950
Can we just report these guys for griefing? Losing on purpose because "muh honor" affects others besides yourself and should not be allowed.

Why is the Gold Edition so fucking expensive? Does it offer anything even remotely worth the admission price?

>>174640302
no

>>174640054
For someone intentionally throwing the game like that you could report for griefing, but for anything to actually be done about it you would need to record it and send it to ubisoft support.

I made a thread a while back asking if honorfagging in 4v4 modes (not reviving, not helping teammates, basically treating 4v4 as duels) was a reportable offense for griefing, and I never got an official response, just assblasted honorfags calling me no honor scum

>>174639968
So far i never had anyone join in the middle of a 2v2 i dont even think thats possible, so you will keep playing against AI but it will count as players

>>174640054
>being is this bad at the game

Do we know how much the new Heros are gonna cost?

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>>174624812