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Old thread: >>174134920
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Post elf
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>>174159360
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My entire replay log is either shadow or dragon
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told you it would be a hag thread
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>>174159360
Delete elf
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Is this a good card?
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>>174159421
Don't like elf?
Kill yourself
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>>174159360
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>>174159432
Would be better if it was 8PP 8/8.
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>>174159416
Vampy is only 200 years old, that's like 12 for vampires.
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Two things piss me off in this game.

1. Dragons that are at 10pp while you are still at 6pp and then start spamming bahamuts, lightning blasts and so on - just give up, you'll never have anything on board again

2. Ultra stall/removal havencucks that do nothing but banish anything you put on board all the fucking time or destroy it - themis, scripture, tribunal, iron maiden, forbidden ritual, death sentence, lion roar - there is no escape
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>>174159360
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>>174159432
>3 mana do nothing
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I'm in AA3

What do I climb to masters with?
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>play aggro
>go against kysblood
>me first me unga
>he is in lethal range as he suicides
>puts down the fucking mask and blocks my lethal
>kills me next turn
WHY WOULD YOU RUN THAT!?
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>>174158202
5-7-5 not 5-5-7 you idiot
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>>174159507
I would rather kill elves.
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>>174159327
>reddit spacing in the op

so it's come to this huh..
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Are any of the Combo Blood variants viable? Like Snek or Azazel.
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>>174159586
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ding!

send help
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>doing trials
>final boss is a ramp mirror
>we both ramp to 8 pp by turn 6
>he shits out satan soon after
>the rest of the match is me desperately trying to clear his big guys and stay out of dis lethal range
>survive 3 riders, 3 servants and 1 dis
>i'm at 1 hp with a ouroboros and saha on board to his 10 hp with no board
>he uses dis on my ouro instead of killing me
>heal myself to 8 with lucifer next turn
>he concedes
T-thanks. I'll just assume he was pretending to be retarded.
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>>174159596
Meant for >>174158034
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>>174159552
Case in point, just now I got triple scriptured in a row, then papa cudgel'd, then tribunal'd and double themis'd
literally what do you do?
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>>174159895
spam zombies
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>>174159327
>>174159552
>>174159585
>>174159687
>>174159827
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>>174159895
Eat shit shadownigger.
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>>174159836
This post is illegible, let me fix it:

>doing trials


>final boss is a ramp mirror


>we both ramp to 8 pp by turn 6


>he shits out satan soon after


>the rest of the match is me desperately trying to clear his big guys and stay out of dis lethal range


>survive 3 riders, 3 servants and 1 dis


>i'm at 1 hp with a ouroboros and saha on board to his 10 hp with no board


>he uses dis on my ouro instead of killing me


>heal myself to 8 with lucifer next turn


>he concedes


You're welcome
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>>174159836
He knew you was on trial and gave you the free win, dummy.
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20249
Need a concede fampai
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>>174159953
"banish all with 2hp" removes zombie spam np
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>>174159978
So this....is the evolution...

of Reddit-spacing....
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All that power and she's still as flat as a board
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>it's one of those days when your replay record is 10 wins
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>>174160117
Kill yourself, shadownigger
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>>174159970
>anyone who complains about your no fun allowed class is a shadow player
And you wonder why everyone hates Havenshitters.
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>>174159360
Artist name?
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>amerifats wake up
>general turns from comfy and friendly to people having autistic tirades about spacing from a site no one cares about
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>>174159827
What deck stayed fun to play the longest before you got board of it?
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>Ramp dragon against mid shadownigger
>endgame he pukes out board full of zombies and prince against my baha
>completely walled, drop Isra for heals
>im going to lose because removed 2 blasts to fuck around with Zeus
>he concedes with that full board of skellies witin skellies vs baha and isra he could have just traded into.
Are all shadowbabs this stupid?
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>>174160037
>implying my zombies don't have 3hp
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>>174160016
Thanks bloodkin
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Luna is very, VERY _____
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>>174160016
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>>174160172
Why don't you play a combo class like forest
Way more fun than just shitting followers on curve and you won't feel like killing yourself whenever someone clears your board
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>>174160256
Stupid
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>>174160256
cute, CUTE
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>>174160256
gay
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>>174160256
dumb
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>>174160208
I've been up all morning and have been doing my best to keep this place hostile.
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Guys

REMINDER that Krosmaga is now available on Steam

http://store.steampowered.com/app/609940/
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>>174160256
Rope worthy.
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>>174160169
b-but 4 of them were blood
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>>174159895
That's still not enough as you keep threatening lethal each turn after 6th
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>>174159827
I started at rob.
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>>174160391
>Literal ooga booga subsaharans
You've convinced me to never touch anything made by those french kikes
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>>174160391
Fuck ankama, they make games with great potential into shit
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>>174160293
Fuck off, Roachfucker.
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>>174160256
sticky
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Could I get a concede please?

38811
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>>174160256
erotic
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>>174160212
Aggro blood was comfy back in RoB. Gets the job done fast for the dailies. With all the wards and the healing, it's not comfy at all. I still play it when I have blood dailies, but it's just not the same.
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>>174160391
>ankama
not falling for their tricks again
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>brick first 2 turns as midshadow
>dragon ramps to 10
>literally lose before even reaching t10 because dragon keeps clearing board with bahamut/grimnir and hitting face
both classes are complete fucking cancer
how long till cyagames do anything about it
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59624 need a concede
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>>174160391
I waon't support those shitty developers of wakfu. They deserve to go bankrupt.
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>>174160483
>Hates haven
>Hates dragon
>Hates forest
>Presumably hates Rune too
Me match cost of cards to turn number
Me good player
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>>174160479
>>174160602
What did Ankama do? I'm not really familiar with them.
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>>174160532

Thank you bloodbro
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>>174160678
Thanks Luna!
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>>174160838
Which one is tighter?
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>>174160714
Honestcraft - best craft.
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>>174160892
You're not supposed to thank cumbuckets!
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Why are shadowniggers so dumb?
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Been rerolling for Cerberus and Demon Lord for a while now, is there any way to speed up the tutorial, it's just mildly irritating is all.
I just want to be a cool skeleton with a cool skeleton deck that isn't bare bones
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>>174160916
Bellringer of course. Luna is the town bicycle these days.
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How do I know whether my craft is honest?
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>>174160714
All you knife ears need to be put down.
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>>174161013
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
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>>174161005
>>174160916
You better stop this right now or I'm gonna fucking shot you in the dick
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>>174161046
you can script

google nox script or if you lazy i copypaste

How to automate rerolling:
1.Download Nox App player, open settings and make sure "Root" is ON
2.Install Shadowverse and Root browser
3.Open Shadowverse
4.Hit Ctrl+9 to open the macro recorder
5.Click the "start/resume" button at the top.
6.Skip through tutorial, open your packs, and open your card collection screen while filtering legendaries
7.Click the stop button, it will save your script

If your reroll is good this is the point where you link your account, otherwise continue to step 8.

8.Close out of the shadowverse app
9.Open Root browser and navigate to data/data/com.Cygames.Shadowverse/shared_prefs
10a.If your reroll is bad delete the file titled "com.cygames.Shadowverse.v2.playerprefs.xml" (click and hold the file until the menu appears)
10b.If you want to keep rerolling but you don't want to lose your current account rename it something else
11.Reopen shadowverse, you will be prompted to make a new account
12.Click the play button next to the script you made earlier
13.Jack off until it finishes, then either keep or return to step 8.
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>>174161013
>Angel in KYS Blood
But why senpai?
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>>174161051
>>174161005
delete these
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>>174161116
if you are using a maid is honest
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Krosmaga is now on steam!
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>>174161268
What is on where?
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>>174161247
Its not KYS blood, it is old ROB aggro blood
I don't have vials for 6 legendaries
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>>174160256
SMART
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>>174160478
what do you mean literally subsaharans? are they actual niggers?
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>>174161309
A ccg that doesn't actively hate you for playing longer than 7 turns
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>>174161359
You can cut that to 4 imo. 3 Belphegor is a must, Meme Dealer can be 1 of.
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Concede onegai 61581
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>>174161530
Thank vampy
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>tfw have is shit right now
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>>174161743
This is not blood
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>>174161013
>shadowniggers
Stop saying this
The proper terminology is shadowkike
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So which one are you playing, dragon or shadow?
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>>174161743
no, have is ok
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Post best kys blood deck
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Can someone give me a good aggro/tempo forest list for doing dailies? I never actually played the class
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>>174161896
blood and rune
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>>174160256
Loose
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>>174159327
BAMPY, WHY DO YOUR TEMPO BATS CARDS SUCK? I can't meme with this.
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>>174161896
Sword.
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>tfw just killed the same japanese havencuck twice within like 15 min playing ranked
both times he dropped aegis
both times it wasn't enough because I had lethal with mimi/coco + eachtar + evolve next turn
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>>174160723
I didn't know Luna is so stacked, she has potential to be even bigger than Isabelle.
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T4 as kys do you play belph or dealer if you're going first?
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>>174161956
the last post of the last thread is about that
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How big are rhinoceroaches?
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>>174161979
>>174162063
are those the new classes in next expansion?
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>>174161985
From what though?
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Dump your spiciest tempo bats decks right now.
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>>174162079
How do you know it's the same person? Is it possible to get matched with again with him in such a short time?
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>>174162320
Because he had the exact same garuda avatar, same name, same flair and emblem and same deck?
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>>174162079
wooooooah what the fuck you are telling me you won after he dropped the 9pp do nothing
You are lying dude, aegis is literally unbeatable, UNBEATABLE I tells ya
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>>174160009
from what ive seen only masters give free concedes to other players doing master trials, not aa
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>>174162363
Wew that's kinda bizarre.
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>>174162369
to be fair, if eachtar didn't exist, it would be
no other card can turn next to nothing into 15+ damage like that
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>>174161896
Kys blood and dragon
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>>174162106
My bad, i didnt check
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>>174161896
Shadow, Sword and sometimes Dragon.
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>>174162421
I had people insta-conceded to me on both of my AA trial games. I didn't even get to play a single one.
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Rowen or Forte?
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>>174162790
Forte.
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>>174162790
Always Dork
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>>174162790
fuck rowen
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>Playing Seraph vs Sword
>Seraph gets Odin'd on turn 8, he then does turn 9 and turn 10 albert
I thought I was free from this shit
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>>174162143
Hot thicc burglar dicc
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>>174162940
get fucked
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Does a non-shit earthrite deck exist yet?
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everytime i summon meme dealer i feel like I'm doing some animu scene where i'm sacrificing my arm or some shit
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>>174162930
Gay.
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>>174163092
The deck didn't even have a 50% winrate last expansion, what did we ever do to incur so much hate?
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>>174162096
It depends on the situation but dealer will always half your health so belph>dealer is 5 hp where as dealer>belph is 10.
Dealer will always kill their turn 4 evo while belph might leave it with 1 or 2 defense.
If you have combos like laura in hand you might want to hold off on dealer for a t7 finisher but I think dealer is usually the better play
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If I send a mail to cygames begging for a few hundred packs will they help me I just want to have fun pls
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For Serpent Vengeance Blood deck, what's better, Wardrobe Raider or Squall Lancer?
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>>174163224
It forced every deck to run Odin, thats what.
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>>174163369
It's better to pick a deck that isn't garbage
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>>174163224
I said get fucked
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>>174163224
the deck is simply not fun to play against
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>>174163486
Dont be rude. Sneks are tons of fun.
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>>174163224
>he wasn't there for the DE Elana/storm days
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>>174163510
>>174163526
Grrr! Nerf this deck with a sub 45% win rate!
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>>174163224
Tons of removal honestly.

Blackened into Cudgel into Lion into Themis.

its fucking ridiculous
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>>174163624
It should be fucking deleted.
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>>174163146
Dirtrune is forced to go the aggro route as it still doesn't have a good wincon.

They have so much burn now it's ridiculous and amazing at the same time.
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Bats are fun.
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>>174163624
it has nothing to do with winrate
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>>174163748
post dick
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>>174163769
Man this deck is easy to beat but it's just not FUN. Please nerf so I can enjoy beating up a dummy that can't fight back please. I want to WIN AND HAVE FUN
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>>174160723
>Luna far bigger than Arisa and almost bigger than Eris
That exaggeration almost kills this image.

Urias and Vania make up for it, though.
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>>174163224
With Haven currently being Dshift's only good matchup, I think we can blame Seraph as the direct cause of Dshift's continued existence on the ladder
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>>174163879
Nice strawman, buddy.
The two most loathed decks are DShift first and Seraph second.
Can you figure out why? I wonder.
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>>174163741
To bad it gets reckt by any other aggro deck.
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>>174163879
I would rather fight against Mid Shadow, Daria, Mid Sword, Tempo Forest than your shitty fucking deck.
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>floral fencer into luminous mage
>thought it wasn't worth ruining maid search for albert all this time
Jesus fucking Christ this card's broken.
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>>174163857
Sure.
Keep in mind this deck is flaming garbage.
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>>174163486
B-but before the release /svg/ was going crazy about how most decks besides Haven and Earth Rite couldn't compete with guaranteed Tier 1 Blood Moon Snakes!
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>>174163224
There was less storm/burn cards in the library on top of if you weren't a storm/burn degenerate you just watched them play solitaire for 7 turns then see if you had more odins than they had seraphs. The hag was fucking sickening.
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>>174164015
>>174164049
I want a 100% win rate against bad, fast decks that brick so I can curve out and win against them fast. I should never have to lose or think, fucking garbage game Cygames.
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>>174163624
Winrate has nothing to do with it. Fuck them and their disgusting playstyle invalidating 2/3 of the game.
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>>174164187
Great rebutal.
Very nice.
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>>174164154
Snek is good though. It was like we thought, if they can answer you lose, if they can't you win.
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Did I just pull 2 Gingers in a row?
fuck me, now if only i didnt vial almost every dirt rune golds i had before TotG.
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>>174164081
Just 2 copies is fine I think, sometimes I find myself drawing into too many Alberts and run out of target for Maid, or forced to use my Albert midgame to do some trading. Mage fills in quite nicely.
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Any deck I don't like playing against should be removed from the game
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>>174164187
>thinking
>against solitaire decks like seraph and dshift

get a load of this retard
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>>174163879
thats not it. against aggro decks it has removals of any kind that makes it impossible to play around much. against other decks that dont rely on early aggression as much it becomes even more useless which isnt even fun to play against.
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>>174164442
We constantly fucking tell you retards to not vial shit and grind arena more. You deserve it for listening to trolls and having no sense of your own.
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>>174164187
Nice, now you are not even making sense. That's the average Seraphshitter for you.
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what is the counter to word? these niggers are everywhere
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so I'm not supposed to play this game until rotation starts right?
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>>174164576
Listen, I'm not gonna be happy until every deck that isn't something I play has a 30% winrate or lower. If I don't like it, it's cancer and no one should get to play it.
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>>174164591
or whenever cygames gets up off its ass
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>>174164591
Counters will always exist. Tech against it with more burn, drain, storm, and amulet destruction.
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>>174164673
Get a tripcode you fucking autist.
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>>174164591
>Concede Blood
I mean Aegis is pretty fucking retarded but you have problems than that, buddy.
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What happened to Sadistic Night, anyways? It was popular in Control Blood last expansion but now I don't see it on any lists.
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will you let her protect you with her fragile body?
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>>174164591
Does the heal from Vampire kiss trigger it you target Aegis?
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Isabelle's boobs should be removed from the game.
She should be flat.
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>play any meme deck I want and easily complete my dailies
it's great being only A rank. Why do people want to rank up again?
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Please concede
88044
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I FUCKING HATE TAKE TWO

I
FUCKING
HATE
TAKE TWO
FUCK
MOTEHR
FUCKING
TAKE
TWO
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>>174164837
It does I think, you can even get the burn from DoD.
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How many legs do I need for the new Storm Ramp Dragon deck?
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>>174164837
Yes it triggers
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>>174164878
So people don't call them an A rank shitter like you
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>>174164878
You can play meme decks even in AA and still win games
t. AA3 frog player
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Kaisar as a leader when?
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>>174164938
>2017
>playing any digital card games shitty excuse for "draft" tournament

i shiggily
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>>174164591
you're supposed to stop playing control blood or any over grindy control deck for that matter.
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>>174164756
No. I want this to be hearthstone so I can just mindlessly play the highest cost card in my hand on curve and hit face.
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>>174164878
it gets old quick schooling bad players
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>>174164843
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Im fucking done triying to make Support Canon viable.
>if you release the canon in turn 5 you are fucked if they have minions in board
>if you put it in other turn it gets deleted
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>>174164834
Yes. She guides the path to victory.
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>>174165243
There is really no reason for it to cost 5, typical shit Cygames design
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>>174164968
Anyone?
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>>174165307
I had a few games when it can be really op, but you cant make it work against storm decks.
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>>174165243
It'll never be viable because it's a turn five do nothing card. Unless Cygames decides to be retarded and give sword some healing/ward commander followers.

cause that's what this game needs more of, healing
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>want to play some tempo dirtrune
>aggro shadow 3 times in a row
This meta is so no fun allowed.

I guess I could build midrange/control dirtrune, but that would just autolose to dragon/haven.
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>>174165045
Still waiting warmly for the day blood gets a tier 1 deck or can play the game beyond turn 7.
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>>174165059
so dragon, shadow, sword and most blood and haven decks

don't worry next expac will dumb down the rest too
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>>174165418
50% win is good
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>>174165307
It's too powerful if it can be played early, honestly they should just give it a Fanfare that can clear a follower or 2 so it's not a do nothing when played on curve.
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>>174165317
At very least around 13-15.
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>>174165404
Haven had plenty of healing, but now in Gods exp. it even have more.
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>>174164591
You're not supposed to play decks that don't kill through wall of removal before turn 9.
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>>174165317
You need 3 forte and 2 Ourbouro as core at least
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Need a win or concede. 55436
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>>174165317
not a dragon player, but i think 3x forte 3x sibyl 2x ouroboros is mandatory
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>>174165563
and 3 sibylls, 2-3 bahas, 1 isra is good, 2-3 sahas. it get expensive damn fast.
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>>174165404
Of course it does, healing is the opposite of burn. There should be just as much healing as burn, it's only fair.
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Why does healing annoy people so much? More than otk combos, more than aggro decks they didn't draw an answer to in the first 5 cards so they lost, etc. Even when Priest was the worst class in Hearthstone people hated it and Blizzard admitted they have nerfed it because people didn't like it and that there was no reason to do so from a balance pov.

Does everyone just want to play midrange decks and smack face?
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>>174165563
I have 3 Forte and 1 Ouzo.

What else?

>>174165524
shit, really?
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>>174165690
you do realize that OTK decks would be played more often if healing got out of hand right
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Delete Shadow and Dragon
Fucking cancer in t2 as well
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>>174165317
To be fair it's not many without Saha gimmicks. Forte, sibyls and orobros are the relevant ones.
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>>174165663
isnt that for neutral ramp or have they been included in the storm package as well
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>>174165690
No one wants to played a dragged out game.
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>>174165690
It just straight up shuts a lot of people down and that's hard to take because hurr play another deck is shit. Everyone's had that 1 away from lethal moment before gassing out and the game ends with the opponent having max hp.
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>>174165690
I'm ok with healing

I'm not okay with healing + gaining a follower on the board or healing + draw or healing and all the other effects that are connected to it.

Healing is fine, on its own. Healing + more gains is just unbalanced. Sibyl is an excellent example of this.
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Based chest man brought me back into AA3 after I lost 3000 points
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>>174165848
What makes it "storm" ramp now is Zell and Forte. Ouro with Zell is insane.
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Free packs when?
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>>174165317
3 forte or 17 trash depending on how much of a dumb bandwagoner that wants to give me free wins
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>>174165690
Because /svg/ is nothing but ungatards.
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>>174165627
Anyone? I can play out the game if you need for the 100 gold.
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>>174165929
This. Value healing is absolutely brutal.

>>174165983
>2017
>Gacha instead of being able to buy the cards at a base rate
Fucking christ. I bet the rates are just as shit too. It's like they want people to just play bootlegs with their friends
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>>174165690
Healing enables shit like seraph to win despite having 0 board presence
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>when topdeck Crystalia Lily turns your Khawy into a Snowman and they proceed to lethal
Why do I play this shitty game again
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>>174166060
Thanks.
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>>174165690
The problem is the amount of value healing the game has. Just look at all the fucking healing ramp dragon has.

Draconic Fervor, Sybil, Saha+lucifer, Israfil, Ouroboros.

Its fucking ridiculous.
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>>174165872
Ok but you know that historically aggro and midrange decks in this game go even with or beat heal heavy decks, right? Should they just not get to win against anything but midrange with a slow start, what are you getting at here?

>>174165929
Sibyl is an over statted mess, I agree with you completely. I just don't understand why this general hates every deck type that isn't something that smacks your face. My most played class by far in hs was priest so that's the kind of playstyle I enjoy. I don't mind playing a deck with 45-50% winrate if I get to play a deck I think is fun. I'm not asking for more Sibyls, just the playstyle remaining semi-viable.
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>>174166264
I had someone used Lily then May on me once. It's pretty gay.
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>>174166264
I really appreciate lightning blast because Khawy is no longer an autoloss to play against
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>>174165983
Shadowverse is a real life game too? Since when?
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>>174166160
>wanting to take away the fun of opening packs
You can buy singles from private sellers anyway.
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>>174166473
they're play tester cards if im not mistaken
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>>174166316
There seems to be a theme in these card. I'm dragon my feet to come up with an answer though.
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>>174166264
>tfw bouncing the same lily back and force into my hand for 3 turns straight

Stop dropping your good cards when you know I have this in my hand
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>>174165943
>losing NET 30+ games since you lose even less in aa2/aa3 facing masters shitters with garbage decks

holy fuck how is it even possible to be this bad
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>>174166473
They are just promo cards they sell in Japanese events.
>>174166512
The play testing cards are different.
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>>174166460
>>174166463
>>174166624
I wouldn't be so mad,
If it wasn't fucking T2. And if they didn't drop a fucking Elf Queen that healed them to 19 from like 9 and if Khawy wasn't my only fucking answer to win the game. I don't even like Shadow
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Is Earth rite the most intelligent, decision heavy deck that requires the most planing ahead?
Obviously it's shit because of that because you can't just mindlessly play cards.
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>>174166640
Depends on your rng. When I was doing the AA climb it was matching me almost entirely with people below me.
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>>174166640
Shadow is autolose to me and I got really unlucky and ended up facing almost nothing but shadow players for days, thus I fell down.
So I picked up Urias because it can rape Shadow and punishes them if they damage me
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>>174165943
what sort of blood deck is that?

those bloodfed flowerbeds got my noggin' joggin
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God damn I hate this meta, not sure why I still play. I was 2k away from master before the expansion by mostly just playing whatever class i got dailies for.

Now I'm down below 40k score and getting dailies done often takes ages whenever I don't get dragon or shadow as choices, it's so frustrating when 95% of what you meet are those 2 classes.

You clear their board against aggro but either they managed to do 9 damage to you and kill you on turn 6 or the doctor 7 train comes down and wins the game. Or you face dragon and they are at 10 mana while you are at 7 as well as 7 health because they smacked a bahamut in your face on their 9 mana turn.
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>>174166896
Its a suicide blood deck I made in RoB back before suicide blood was a thing
It is cheap and does not use any of the legendaries
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Started playing again for the first time after the expansion, and I just ran into Aegis. Does this thing have literally no counters? Am I forced to run aggro or does one of the new expansion cards shut Aegis down?
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Need a concede #13460
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>>174166973
Fix your decks, maybe?
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>>174161121
Why is she wearing pantsu on her head?
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>>174167078
Nope, no neutral counter. Kaguya is the only thing that shuts it down somewhat.
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>>174167107

Can't afford to have top tier decks for every class. Was easy to manage with mediocre decks last expansion but powerlevel has just gone up too far that they don't work anymore. And honestly no matter what you play if you get a runecraft quest you're kind of fucked.
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>>174166973
>now I'm down below 40k score
How can you fuck up so bad?
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>>174167078
Lol just ward up and eat a themis bro

Or be havencraft and use kaguya to get the amulet to decrease its attack to 1

That's literally it.
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Got one of two-three the legendaries I needed from this reroll, and no golds I needed.
However I got 6 legendaries, and 2 animated ones being the White Wolf and Bahamut. Is it more worthwile to craft these down and build the rest of the deck or just to reroll again?
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>>174167187
Erika is a lesbian pervert.
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>morde urd

I wish this card was still viable because goddamn that combo is fun
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>>174167107
>Win 6 matches, 3 with dragon, 3 with shadow. Dailies finished in under an hour
>Win 4 matches with Blood or Rune, takes an hour and a half with kys blood, more than half the matchups were against shadow
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>>174167270
What the heck are you building?
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>>174167078
deck is shit right now so very few are playing it
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>>174167234
Guess you need to not do your dailies in ranked anymore because the powercreep is just gonna get worse from now on.
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>>174167430
I want Cerberus and Demonlord Eachtar for a dark deck.
I also needed Reaper, Death's Breath, Phantom Howl, Thane, Soulsquasher. But I didn't get any.
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>>174167351
Bat blood is better for dailies in my opinion.

And just go neutralcraft for rune, Owl, Goblin Princess, Elta all strengthened the deck a lot.
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>>174167520
>building the deck that will 100% be nerfed

Come on man.
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>>174167187
Emergeny pantsu because she gets wet very easily.
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>try to do rune dailies
>dragon
>dragon
>dragon
>dragon
>dragon
>Rahab into double Sybil into turn 6 Bahamut lol

Just leave me alone godamnit, I'd rather face shadow all day any day.
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>>174167658
I just started and am doing a deck my friend told me about.
What are your recommendations? I am pretty open to anything so long as it's fun.
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>tfw i just had 3 enhanced Alberts on the field at the same time
It was against a dragoncuck, not so tough when you don't have baha or lightning blast.
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>>174167078
Aegis is not even a good deck. Anyway, Roland and Kaguya are the cards that counter Aegis.
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>>174164834
I find it intriguing that her stockings are torn on both her regular and evolved versions.
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>>174167541
I've been playing aggro blood most of the game's lifespan since blood hasn't had anything better. I wanted the break but this meta is pretty oppressive for blood otherwise.
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>missed the catan's stream where he played haven because of gf
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>>174167078
Only Kaguya counters Aegis and its from the same craft. Only thing you can do is finish them before or right after they drop Aegis.
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>>174167686
Rank?
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>>174167251

Well, most of the loses were from when I had runecraft or swordcraft dailies, I never really bothered to get any good swordcraft cards as I didn't like the craft and a shitty midrange was enough to win with but it just gets stomped by anything.

As for runecraft, I enjoyed earth sigil as well as d-shift and both of them are pretty bad in this meta, think my worst losing streaks were from trying to get wins with d-shift while facing nothing but shadow aggro.

>>174167452

I tried that but unranked doesn't seem any different, 90% of what you meet is still aggro shadow and dragon. In the last few days I think i've seen a total of 1 blood and 1 forest deck, rest have all been dragon and shadow.
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>>174167686
I've only played two games against a craft besides shadow/dragon all weekend. I actually have no idea what forest decks look like any more in ToG because of how long it's been since I've seen one.
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How can I improve this storm list
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>>174167835
is this ironic redditspacing i'm seeing
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It's getting hard to even do my dailies anymore. Game just isn't very fun right now. Even when I win with some dumb aggro or cheesy ramp, it's boring. All my fun decks are shit now. I would just play arena only, except dragon and shadow are the best classes there too.

How long till balance patch?
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>>174167908
They use Aerins and Tarzans, it is very hard to kill them as aggro
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>>174167805
Master
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Is there anything I can make so I can win haven dailies?
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>>174167270
don't reroll. Wolf and Bahamut are really good. Also, mid shadow is totally functional without Squasher, Howl, Thane abd Death Breath
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>>174167702
Have you played the story mode yet? Are you sure you like shadow the most?
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>>174167835
Aggro Dirt is probably better than DShift right now for dailies.
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>>174167875
thank you havensnake player
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>>174168037
Just build a basic 'stall into aegis' style deck.
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>>174167835
Why the fuck are you doing dailies in ranked? Why are you playing rune? Jesus Christ man just craft Hector.
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>>174167794
roland soft-counters it
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Post mares.
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>>174168037
You know it.
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>>174167939
https://twitter.com/guillotine_zero/status/851116053761368065
This list has a 14 streak in master. Dark Jeanne is really good in Storm Haven.
I would probably use Urd instead of Arriet.
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>>174168182
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Eris is pure
http://i.imgur.com/n09g6wP.jpg
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>>174168340
Unfortunately I have 0 dark jeanne
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>>174168163

Because unranked is almost the same except with no rewards for doing it, and honestly 90% of what I do in shadowverse is just the dailies as I enjoy playing different crafts. Unfortunately that doesn't seem possible in the current meta. I do already have a solid shadow deck but pretty much only play it when I get the dailies as it's not a very fun deck.
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>>174166003
This. Nobody will ever admit it but this place is full of timmy idiots. Every deck that does anything other than play followers on curve is decried as "not honest" and whatever other buzzwords. See roach forest, every non-dirt rune deck, ramp dragons who actually manage to ramp without losing, every non-storm haven. If atomy was good they would cry about it too.
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can I get a private match Q done pls?
35436
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>>174159360
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>>174168724
nice feet
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>>174168587
It's possible but you need to pick a craft you don't mind losing to between dragon and shadow.
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>>174168512
Anal is the best way to preserve a maiden's purity.
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>tfw you curve all over them
Is there no greater feeling?
>>
anyonehaveproblemswith4chanpacing?
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>>174168776
Like Soul Dealer, there's always the chance it might be an amazing card in a later expansion. If you can live with that, go right ahead.
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>>174168776
If ToG has taught us anything it's that you shouldn't ever count any lego out
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>>174168716
thank you, bloodcraft-chan
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>>174168776
Pascale is not played on any serious deck, so your choice.
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>>174168587
>caring about fun and dailies when you were 2k away from masters.
Master rank is where the fun begins. Anything before it is just grind.
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>>174168587
I'm also doing dailies in ranked and I only have finished decks for Shadow, Dragon and Sword. For Rune I use Daria, Storm Haven for Haven, a budget Roach OTK for Forest, and Aggro Bats for Blood. Been doing fine so far and my Master Points still go up, albeit very slowly.
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>>174168776
It's too slow, unfortunately. It won't affect aggro as it's only takes effect at the end of your turn, it'll be cleared by controls as it's late in the game and requires board.
>>
Post pepe deck
>>
could use a concede thnx
90326
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Can you use dark offering on your aegis to trigger the heal and card draw without it killing the aegis?
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>>174169367
thanks masters bro
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>>174168512
Eris is a hairy bitch
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>>174169286
My homebrew edition of pepe. It works better than you may imagine.
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52069
Please concede
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>>174169131
Armpit licking - best fetish 2014.
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So sword is fun to play now?
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>>174169443
No
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>>174169669
Thanks
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>Mid Shadow already over took Aggro as the most popular Shadow deck on Masters
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>>174169631
>no Lecia
Why?
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>>174160175
https://twitter.com/NNPS_KM_SONYA
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>>174169727
"Midrange" is mostly the same with only Luminous Mage as new addition. Control is a meme. Frog Sword is also a meme but pretty fun and can beat Dragon on a regular basis.
>>
They are really trying their hardest to kill this game, arent they? Stupid slant eyed jew gooks and their "balance".
>>
Does Vampire Queen go in Snek Blood?
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>sword goes unga bunga early game
>turn 4 use dogma on aria and mist giving untargetable to a evolved tiger
>he tries to lyrial evo it and just hits face and mist instead once he realizes he can't
>skips turn 7 because I had no targeted followers
>plays tsubaki on turn 8 and it does nothing
>thinking....
>whole souled swing a bird
>waiting for a response
feels good
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>>174169860
I don't have her and don't feel like crafting them.
The deck still works since it's not heavily focused on making one fat frog, but just to make it strong enough to hit the enemy and make him waste resources just to be blown out by a followup Albert. Even if you don't draw frog, the deck can manage to do lots of stuff and survive. My favourite victory will always be the one where I buffed ding dong against a greedy Haven that didn't banish her on turn 2 and managed to hit face for a total of 8 damage.
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>>174170265
>I don't have her and don't feel like crafting them.
Well that's fair.
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>>174169221

Hmm, missing daria's and have pretty much nothing for sword outside of 2 alberts.

Stuck right now with forest, although that might just be me sucking but can't seem to get a win with it as well as having bad luck, had 2x silver bolt in my opening hand the last 3 games. Tried a more standard roach before that but I always found myself completely on the defensive against shadow and then lost board to a taunt wall on 6 or zombie army on turn 7. Dragon I can generally win against but today so far has been 7 shadow games and 1 dragon, which was my only win.
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>>174170208
she is fin in the deck but not mandatory
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>pepe sword always gets a frog out, evos it, then hits my 2/x instead of my 1/x
>I just kill them with Orthrus
>They lose

You'd think master players would know to play around cards like that.
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>>174170423
STOP KILLING MY FROGS
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>look at current numbers for game
>nose diving faster than titanic
>retard devs are happy as long as whales pay for the best decks

They took a solid game and fucking ruined it two expansions in a row. Its like they saw how shit HS was with each subsequent expansion and said holy my beer to blizzard just to show them how fucking bad a dev can really be.
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Am I the only one who doesn't like Thane?
I feel like I never get a good chance to play him because I'm either wining anyway or just don't have board space for his 2 dudes.
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>>174170556
Your frogs are shit and not cute at all.
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>>174170423
I love hitting shadow reaper with May on a gamble. I've had some people simply rage quit.
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>>174169286
Here is what I play at AA3
Before you comment, I don't have a 3rd Albert
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just saw a 3k master player running non-kys aggro blood
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>>174169135
You can still have a few value judgements wrt that. Soul Dealer was bad because there was never a reason to rush to vengeance. Meanwhile, a card like Fafnir is probably never coming back.
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>>174170779
Is the Arriet because of that missing third albert?

every time i run arriets i never get the opportunity to actually use her
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@174170625
@174170143

hope you guys stop with this weird fetish
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>>174170903
i would only run her if i had 3 tsubaki
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>>174170884
just wait for the tutor that make fafinir 2pp
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>>174170330
For Rune you can probably just use Dirt Burn, and good old Aggro for Sword can still work I guess. Those decks are Aggro and can steal games if you get a good curve and the opponent bricks.
For the Forest mission today I admit I got pretty lucky since it was only 1 game and I did it against a Latham who played Gawain meme.
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Can I get a concede please?
69446
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>>174170935
Nice replies newfriend
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>>174171096
i don't want to be part of someone weird fetish of crying like a bitch desu
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>>174170625
This is the tcg cycle, big bump when a new expansion hits followed by stabilizing back to the diehards until the next one.
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>>174171214
GANGBANGRUBY
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>>174170903
No, if I had a 3rd Albert, then I would replace Lecia with him. Arriet is too good to be replaced.
Arriet is a game winner card, many times I don't even draw frog but I have a buffed up Ninja Trainee that can deal lethal damage at turn 7 with Arriet, winning me games (pic related)
Also you can do a turn 6 Tsubaki into a turn 7 Arriet for 12 damage, often catching people off guard
It is my favourite card from this expansion
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>>174171214
You just got tricked, I got my (You)

How does it feels to be rused by the mastermind?
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2pp
Amulet neutral
You can put more 3 amulet inside of this amulet
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>>174170845
Reg aggro blood is still good.
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>that one lego you don't want to vial in the event that it becomes a meta destroyer in the future

Eidolon for me
>tfw the top Haven dicks barely have any amulets when amulets is Haven's entire thing
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Why are haven and blood, generally speaking, the most enjoyable classes to play?

They have the most fun cards in my opinion and the most enjoyable playstyles. Constantly cucking the enemy with scriptures, cudgel, tribunal, themis, death sentence, iron maiden and so on is just hilarious and you can almost taste their seething hatred.
On the other hand blood is a lot of fun too, whether you cut yourself to wreck the enemy after just 4-5 turns or whether you try to get an azazel otk combo off. Lots of fun cards too.
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>>174171470
W-what
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>>174170625
Except that's how it always is, a massive increase on expansion start and then the number goes down until the next expansion, rinse and repeat.
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>>174171515
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>>174171515
Haven is only fun when I play Elena Flame and Glass, other than that it is cancer incarnated in a single craft that I would rather just delete from the game.
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>>174170845
it beats dragon still
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Should I craft hulk big guy or aegis?
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>>174170625
You're a moron, Shadowverse is growing if anything overall. Numbers always spike at the start of a new xpac, then they drop and spike again, etc.
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>>174171492
>that one lego you don't want to vial in the event that it becomes a meta destroyer in the future
Dragoon
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>don't play around azazel
>lose
hm
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>>174171707
Dragoon was unironically very good in RoB and I used him in every one of my decks as a dragon player
With ToG he basically became worthless though.
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>>174170773
>tfw May always hit on Reaper in their 1/3 chance
Fuck this aimbot
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>>174171492
>tfw the top Haven dicks barely have any amulets when amulets is Haven's entire thing
Storm Haven is the only good Haven deck, all others have <50% winrate.
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>>174171852
That's where their winrates belong
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>>174171852
>thinking that win rate means anything
I can guarantee you the majority of people just slap aegis in random shit decks and call it a day
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Luna! what are you doing?
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Grimnir should be able to clear skellingtons with his enhance if he kills the follower before he's done.
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>>174172142
She pitied your miserable existence so she gave you a freebie
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>>174172142
She can't stop you from killing her.
The green goblin fucks can only go face.
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>>174172018
I've actually been climbing with Storm Haven on AA3. It's really not bad at all. It goes even with Dragon and is unfavored against Shadow, but it beats pretty much everything else.
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Dragon or Shadow for Arena?
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>>174172143
Grimnir should do +1 strike for every hit point your leader lacks
So if you are at 15 HP 10pp Grimnir does 4 strikes + 5 strikes.
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I'm actually ok with this expansion entirely because it's given us a vacation from Levi. I never want to see that card again.
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>>174171492
Unironically all of them. I've never vialed or crafted a single lego.

Not pictured: 2 Eidolons, 2 Fairy Princesses, 2 Dragoons, and a bunch of other junk.
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>>174172143
Shut the fuck up, Rowen.
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>>174172142
He can't clear your board and you have an evo.
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Can i win here?
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>>174172287
Zombie and Spartoi can remove Tsubaki and Novice Trooper though, preventing lethal
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>>174172408
What do you have against this card?
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>>174172489
Just rope him and hope he leaves
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>>174172495
He has an evo point.
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>>174172495
No, because there's still a 1-1 on the board and he has an ev.
The luna only has 3 hp.
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>>174172495
Evolve the 1/1, lethal.

>>174172563
How can we get a vacation from a card that's never seen play?
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>>174172390
you have literally everything else going for you shadowbaby.

>>174172423
Haven
It makes no sense when it does damage in increments of 1, including destroying cards between each tick, that it doesn't spawn the skellingtons between each tick.
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>>174171707
1 expansion and he got powercreeped by grimmir.
Fucking same thing but no downside.
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>>174171707
Costs too much, i guess it can be used in a ramp deck in case you are going for the finish but after playing discard you realize it's a shit wincon that should come like two turns earlier to even compete with the bullshit ramps gets.
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When Darkness gets rotated out, does that mean we'll never have a Vania card again?
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This new Shadowcraft deck with only 1-2-3 cost cards is pretty dope
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>>174172495
You can evolve the Knight for lethal. But she coud have rammed the Spartoi into Trooper and used the 2 generated zombies to clear Tsubaki and Knight. Luna fucked up.
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>>174172354
Anyone?
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75712

non-concede match please!

3/20
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>>174172849
got crushed by dragon twice, recently
try it
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>>174172354
>>174172849
Do a coinflip.
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>>174172780
They'll reprint old cards as new ones with slightly different effects and art
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>>174172849
Both are great. Just pick whatever.
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>>174172849
Dragon obviously, it is arena king
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>>174165690
It's too plentiful in the decks that have it and usually tacked on to cards with other effects making them over budget. Look at Aerin and Sybil.
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>>174172618

t7: tsubaki
10pp Grimnir
t8 evo fangblade
x2 breath of salamander, zell
t9: evo albert
evo olivia
t10: GURIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMNIRU

That felt great.
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>>174171707
Why would you ever play this faggot over based Grimnir
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>>174172489
>he has no evos left and you have three

Yeah if the rest of his hand is garbage and you topdeck removals, maybe.
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Should I make Aerin and Jungle Warden copies for Jungle Forest?
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>>174173050
>>174172960
Okay, now what?
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>>174172926
thanks bloodbro

93999

4/20
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>>174173406
I'm sure they're gonna nerf Grimnir and Prince of the Catacombs.
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>>174173406
You play both on Disco.
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>>174173431
aerin is in most lists, warden you can take it or leave it
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>>174173532
>on Disco.
Real decks only please
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>From joke tier craft to a meta definer, now a memlord to this.

I just don't even anymore...
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>>174173435
Left, Ouroubros is autowin in Arena if they can't banish it
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>>174173435
id go for the pair on the left.
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>>174173435
Easy left.
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>>174173435
Ouroboros is a wincon all by itself in take2
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>>174170625
Your whining gaijin is irrelevant to this game.
Only nip audience matter
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>>174172018
>Bad decks aren't bad, people are just not playing them right
:^)
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>>174173728
This general regularly complains about decks that can't break 50% win rate, what did you expect?
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>>174173728
That is a true and legitimate argument.
Most of the playerbase are dumb netdeckers after all.
Retarded Dragon players are still running mostly ramp dragon, despite the fact that the superior storm ramp dragon exists.
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>>174174016
It's just such a strange deflection to make.
Maybe midrange shadow isn't powerful at all! Maybe everyone else except mid shadow players are incompetent! How would you prove that's not the case?
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>>174173728
But he is right. How would all of these statistics even work properly? People don't all run the exact same decks nor are they all of an equal skill level.
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>>174174101
if i play f4 fun?
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>>174174221
>f4
Thanks for proving his point.
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>wr in masters
Really makes you think.
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>>174174101
>Retarded Dragon players are still running mostly ramp dragon, despite the fact that the superior storm ramp dragon exists.
How would you know it's superior? You can't trust the stats after all. Maybe saha ramp is superior and most players just don't know how to build it right :^)
>>174174195
>If there's even the smallest amount of noise in the data that means the whole thing is wrong
:^)
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>>174174221
If you play for fun then you can run whatever you want.
We were talking about ranked win rates though, where you are supposed to play seriously
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>>174174349
I didn't say all of it is completely wrong, but it's largely useless outside of noticing extremes like shadow's jump in win rate, yes.
Most aegis decks I see are shit for starters, it's no wonder those tards lose way more often than they have to.
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>>174174347
Well, maybe those master players are morons, maybe all of them got to masters spamming mid shadow and then suddenly decided to switch to aegis haven :^)
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>>174174349
If both the statistics, my personal experience and observations confirm the matter, then I see little reason to doubt it until evidence is put forward to the contrary
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Concede please 77736
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>>174174349
Its healing versus burst. Storm just happens to be better against whats currently on ladder. Both are good currently Storm is just superior for what youll likely play against.
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>>174174347
Burd haven lets me run Reno which immediately makes it superior to any other version of haven.
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>>174174347
>the only haven deck that actively tries to win instead of stalling like a passive bitch is the only one winning right now
They should just delete Haven and rework it into Garudacraft desu.
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>>174174510
The statistics, my personal experience and observations confirm that Aegis is an overrated, completely blown out of proportion deck that will be lucky to be considered bottom of tier 2 by the end of this expansion.
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>>174174553
thanks Luna
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>>174174772
Good, I hope more people think that way so I can keep winning with my aegis deck and not have cygames touch it :)
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>>174174772
I agree with that though?
Seraph is objectively better than Aegis
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>>174174432
>data is only relevant when it supports my claim and is wrong when it doesn't
really zell evolves my bahamut
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Sprint Bishop's the only honest deck in havencraft,
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>>174174930
>can't even read
average intelligence and cognitive abilities of a netdecking retard, ladies and gentlemen
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pls concede 73148
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>>174174839
You can keep winning in your C rank.
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>>174175043
Haha good one lad. I didn't think you would be so cheeky as to imply I'm a low rank player.
Good move, you completely disarmed me and won this argument, you sly little fox you!
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>>174173613
>joke tier

Dragon was one of the highest played in tournaments in Japan. It was always a good deck.
>>
73880

Need a concede
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>>174174962
Yeah no. There are no honest haven decks because their individual cards are absolute bullshit.
Bird haven was the original Dorothy with 4/4 and a 2/1 storm on turn 3 you literally can't do nothing about, plus le balanced bird of face damage and amulet kill.
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>>174175041
thanks trampy
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>you must forgive me emote to start every turn
>rope them every turn
>100% winrate unranked haven

Truly best way to do dailies.
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>>174175179
Thanks knife-ears
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>>174175135
Aegis is shit and you literally can't prove me wrong.
Instead raw numbers clearly say it doesn't even manage to get past a mere 45% winrate.
Your opinions show that you are a shitter that should deserve to stay in C rank forever.
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>>174175407
But aegis is reallly strong even my dragon deck can't beat this shit
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>>174175253
tfw mid sword is always good but people pick other decks to complain about
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>>174175287
And this is why everyone fucking hates Haven.
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>Aegis
>Themis
>Themis
>Themis
>Dead
Wow such a fun deck to play against
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>>174175287
>mfw I take unlimited healing Elena into unranked just to force people to sit through 20 turn long matches if they want their dailies done
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>>174175407
Why even bother posting? You don't even have anything new to say other than "no aegis is shit" and "lol ur probably C rank :PP"
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>suddenly encountered 2 weird bannerswords today
Alright where's the niplist?
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>tfw 1 HP away from lethal and it all slips away
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>>174175521
Sword is in such a shit position that even bannersword is a legit deck.
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>>174175482
Prove me that Aegis is not shit.
Again, statistics prove that decks that use Aegis as wincon tend to most most of their games. What can YOU say in Aegis defence, besides calling me names or using logical fallacies?
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>>174175458
Because it's honest.
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>>174173613
>eris
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Play this deck.
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>>174175474
Why can't I play decks that can't kill someone by turn 10 who doesn't play board clears by then and plays a turn 9 brick??
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>wallet dragon upset he lost to wallet haven
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>>174175658
Is that viable against masters?
If not, then don't try to sell me that shit
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>>174175620
It works for because I play non-shit decks.

Still a slow deck but it does well.
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Reminder: You are losing to luna because they are effectively using her shadows.
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>>174175620
I might have helped you but you've been nothing but a retard in this conversation, so I don't see why I should help enlighten you at all. Sorry mate, have a nice day though.

t. """c""" rank player
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>>174173613
Glad to know who the true face of Shadowverse should be.
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>>174175773
I have a 60% winrate control blood list but no one gets to see it
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>>174175712
>wallet haven
what
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>>174175604
Midrange Sword is legit you scrub.
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>>174175885
They need to change the app icon back to Rowen.
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>>174175852
Yeah keep calling me names and spewing memes, you truly showed me.
I'm still waiting for proof that Aegis is not shit.
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>banish ouroboros
>next turn a 2nd one appears with the evolve storm fag
ayyy that hurt
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>>174175658
no fuck you

that deck is a LIE
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>>174174962
>>174174347
I honestly don't understand how people yet haven't understood that they should be playing Storm Haven if they want to play Haven right now.
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>>174175852
>provides no credibility
>aegis isn't shit guys trust me on this
At least give a list or show your rank and records to prove your results but I guess you have neither to show for.
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>>174175886
Nice for you?
I can't afford any blood deck that's not bats anyway.
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>>174175885
>the true face of Shadowverse
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>>174175757
Yes
I promise it's good.

Just try it.
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>>174176152
what's a good storm haven dick?
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>go to sleep
>wake up and shadow suddenly goes viral
Is shadow maximum aggro now? What about memes and is serious business like control or mid shadow viable now?
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>>174176152
storm haven is absolute trash going second. like abysmal 20% winrate or some shit going second.
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>>174176227
>shadow suddenly goes viral
the fuck you talking about?
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>>174176152
Seraph with shitload of banish works better against shadow and if you're playing Haven you probably hate shadow enough to make Luna's life miserable.
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>>174176216
Take RoB storm haven and put 3 Grims somewhere.
There you go, storm haven dick for all your dailies and stuff.
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>>174176227
Mid Shadow is the best deck in the game now but it's pretty much Aggro on steroid and never runs out of steam.
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>>174176248
http://shadowlog.com/trend/2017/15/4/7
>50.5%
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why does cygames refuse to balance anything? it's a fucking digital card game, they have no excuses
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>>174176473
because money
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>>174176473
>not playing havencraft
LUL
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>>174176473
theybalancecardstbh, they just don't care about crybbs
>>
Halfway through AA3, but I don't think I can do it.

I just don't have enough morale anymore.
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>>174176473
Please don't disturb the dead.
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>>174176365
You don't need Grimnir in Storm Haven. You rarely get to turn 10, since from turn 6 onwards you are just dropping burst bombs. Also, Haven already has Defender, which is better than Grimnir on turn 3, if you feel like you need an early game Ward.
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>>174176473
that isn't even a nut daria draw, come back when she has more than two otohime's worth of value on turn 5.
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>>174176473
Just Themis bro.
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>>174176603
I don't have the morale to leave B2.
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Just took a break for a week or so because I got sick of fighting dragon / shadow in every fucking game. Is the meta better yet?
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>>174176227
Have you been sleeping for 3 weeks or something?
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>>174176152
Sadly, I don't have the vials left to craft Dark Jeanne to play Storm Haven.
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And people say that Forest is dead.
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>>174176698
It's actually gotten worse
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>>174176665
She played 3 Darias by turn 6.
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>>174176616
Grimnir is insurance in case a game goes on long, which happens a lot if you don't draw well and get to combo all your Garuda's.
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>>174176783
teach me senpai.

Daria carried me in DE but jumping in forest is pretty hard
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>>174176698
Wait till next month. Or just quit really because it's like this every expansion.
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>>174176473
Because you need to bully stupid shit like this
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>10 more weeks until the next expansion
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>>174176782
Dark Jeanne is not a good card in Storm Haven.
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>memesnakes
>no mass banish in hand
uuh dotards???
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>>174175908
haven with the neutral package plus an aegis. the extra aoe clear from saha+isra makes the shadow matchup better and it's good against dragon. tribunal is still the biggest fuck you to bahamut and if they can't just drop bahamuts on board they have to blow evolves to catch up which takes zell burst out of the equation and then you just win with aegis.

you have more than enough banishes for ouro, multiple answers to an early bahamut, and you have a lot of card draw with judge, radiance, and plea. pic related is the game i just finished.
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>tfw trying to play haven without any themis
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>>174176616
Against dragon or csword I sometimes reach turn 10, and there I literally can only win by dropping the mad cyclone.
Unranked is infested by controlfags. No clue if grim is shit in ranked against the shadow army, early game ward and a way to get past late game death breaths sounds nice tho.
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>>174176698
Less unga shadow and more midrange shadow.
That is even worse to face because how broken midrange is.
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>>174173613
Why the fuck did they ever change the Rowen icon to that elf slut? Rowen deserves to be the face of this game.
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>>174176048
Why would I lie to my fellow master rank anons
Just play the deck pls
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>>174176783
>A
>lost to the only shadow match

You aren't really helping your case because.
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>>174167835
anon. since we dont have winstreaks anymore its best just to do non meta dailies in unranked and meta decks in ranked.
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>>174176940
>he isn't playing Storm Haevn
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>>174176925
Isn't that like, really slow?

Post dick anyway, I'm curious now.
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>>174176783
>A
Opinion discarded
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>>174177110
I have no Garudas
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>>174176473
>Rune nut draws Daria on turn 4, 2 oglers 1 witchette Daria and craig on board
>Topdeck cyclone blade while my frog just reached 5 attack with well
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>>174176925
>low master
I got a win streak in low master with fucking atomeme.
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>>174176848
>>174176957
I see your point, but it honestly doesn't happen often enough to me to justify playing it.
>No clue if grim is shit in ranked against the shadow army, early game ward and a way to get past late game death breaths sounds nice tho.
Temple Defender is better at stopping the board flood, especially early game with Skeletons. It lacks the enhance though, of course.
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>>174177046
okay, how the fuck do you win with Bloodstema, I tried and got mega-raped
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>>174176152
Look at Eris' curves UNF
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45432 pls
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>>174177260
You dont.
If you want to rank as blood do it as Kys blood.
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>>174176923
>T2 is totally balanced guys
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>>174176365
I don't know the RoB storm haven deck, unfortunately. I started playing in darkness but only just recently actually started playing seriously.
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>>174177270
Yeah, Eris has some great curves, don't really get why she's ignored so much fanart-wise but oh well.
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>>174176967
Haven still works desu.
Unless they you absolutely perfect draws one forbidden ritual is usually enough to completely wreck any early game advance you have.
I've ran into some especially salty Haven player who run Candelabra of Prayers into double ritual into triple themis into Death's Sentence and even some heretical inquiry thrown in for good measure. Seemed like he just put in every single removal he could find to stall for Tarnished Grail.
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>>174177373
I don't envy people who start playing now and need to do a lot of T2 for cheaper packs. Back around launch the scariest thing in take 2 was otohime.
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>>174177338
ty friendo
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>>174177358
Regular Rob blood works well if you switch out Imp Lancer for Dark General and add 3 Bloodfed Flowerbed
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>>174177260
You pray you go first and then you go face a lot.
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>>174176750
No, for 2 months actually.

>>174176443
Sounds gud, gonna take a closer look.
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>>174177373

Take 2 isn't even really a game.

It's just curving out and praying the cards the game let you have are better than the cards your opponent let you have.

Occasionally you pick up a small edge by beating people who have no idea how to play, but that's it.
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>>174177358
I don't have the legs for that but I actually have 3 'stemas so I was curious.
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>>174177240
if games at master dont mean anything than no pub games ever mean anything
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>>174176905
>every nip is starting to run 1 or 2 Jeannes in Storm
>not good
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>>174177240
If you draw well you always win with atomeme. Nothing surprising here. Has nothing to do with where you play because you're biggest enemy is draw rng.
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>>174176852
Deck is pic related that I took off of some Nip's Twitter. You pretty much want to steadily build your board up while using your resources and evolves to keep theirs empty, and using your bounce to replay Fanfares and avoid removal.

>>174177061
They had 2 HP left, and I lost due to Orthus + Antomeme + Skeleton bombing.

>>174177158
i-it's a2 guys


also here's a random webm back from pre-ToTG

https://my.mixtape.moe/qhbyjq.webm
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>>174175658
Eh dunno, this has been serving me well so far.
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>>174177585
>every nip
Nice job pulling that out of your ass.
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>>174176227
>This collection will never be real
Kill me Forte.
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I miss her so much
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>>174177629
I fucking wish they'd remove the 25 an 15 awards from T2. I'd rather get no gold at all than something ending with 5.
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>shadow "players"
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>>174177373
Man I don't understand how anyone has the patience to suffer through modern Take 2, the difference in card quality you can get nowadays when drafting a deck is absurd.
It doesn't help that the reward is always a standard pack which has a lot of useless/powercreeped cards.
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>>174177716
You can always fap to her
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>>174177716
BULLY THE FISH
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>>174177629
I've had a 5 since late 2016. I've thrown multiple arena runs but I never get a reward ending in 5.
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>>174177759
>>174177373
>>174177498
>>174177560
How you master mind would balance t2? cutting all good cards and the draft being only 2pp fighters?
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>>174177756
I'm just trying to get to masters man
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>>174177671
https://twitter.com/search?f=images&vertical=default&q=%E7%96%BE%E8%B5%B0%E3%83%93%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%83%E3%83%97&src=tyah

Check for yourself.
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>>174177580
If you want to show off, go on a 20 winstreak or have 70% WR in over 100 games on mid-high master, then I'll consider your deck not trash.
>>174177628
It does because lots of people in low master don't play seriously.
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>>174174101
Storm Ramp dragon winrate is heavily inflated.
The first 6 turns will always be identical no matter what deck: Oracle, Aiela, Grimnir, Rahab or Sybil. If dragon manages to get the ramp engine going and have enough PP they start storming you. Okay you lost, you go to shadowlog or whatever and put a loss against Storm ramp.
But what happens if they brick? You see maybe one Rahab, one sybil and you win the game. You go and put a win against normal ramp, but in reality it was a storm dragon who couldn't play his storm units.
What happens if you play kys blood? You see a Rahab and a Sybil maybe and the game is already over. You go and put a win against normal ramp.
You only play storm minions if you go face. You can only go face if you are in the winning position. You only see the storm units if you're losing.
Winrate of specific decks aren't reliable, the only thing you can trust is the overall class winrate. And that winrate is 51% for dragon.
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>>174177876
Literally impossible. T2 is fucked.
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>tfw you managed to live in the timeline of Dragon and Shadow being T1 instead of memes
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>>174177756
Real shadow players deserve the current meta though.
Bandwagonners are always scum, no matter the class.
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>>174177876
I'm no game designer but I would start by cutting all cards that require a constructed deck to actually fucking work properly. Like the fucking Neutral owl whatever the fuck his name is. I've gotten this understatted faggot so many times it's not even funny.
They already did this in the past for cards like flame and glass, ptp, dimension shift, etc. I don't know why the fuck they neglected to do it this time.
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>>174177135
It's slow but I'm having more success with it than with pure Aegis decks.

>>174177240
If you've ever been high masters then you should know that the quality of opponent doesn't change based on your ranking and you'll often run into "low master" and AA players even if you're 40k MP above them. There's no reason to climb this month so I've just been losing all my points testing different decks while doing my dailies.
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>>174178056
Wasn't shadow T1 in standard tho?
And Wasn't Nep one of the strongest decks in RoB?
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>>174178104
>tfw rune t2 is fucked because of earth essence distribution
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>>174178056
I want to go back
we must go back
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>>174177876
What >>174177759 said is fairly on the mark. There's a pretty big difference in card quality from drafts nowadays compared to launch or DE days. In vanilla you were worried about them drafting Otohime, Mordecai, Themis, etc. Now you have cards like Bahamut, Ouroboros, Jungle Warden, etc. who can very often win games by themselves. That's the main problem with take 2, certain cards can swing the game on their own very easily.

I don't think it's something you can fix without a tremendous amount of effort and consideration for take 2 when designing cards. The best you can do is bandaid fixes like reducing the appearances rates of cards with super high winrates.
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>>174178064
Deserved because... ?
Don't tell me you are going to cry about the banishcaust or say that Shadow was shit in RoB, because it fucking wasn't. Shadow was tier 1 in Standard. It was only shit in DE.
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>>174178138
Aggro Shadow was T1 standard but Nep was T2 meme in RoB.
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>>174177716
I tried to make her work with walfrid with and without Gawain. It was just okay.

I instantly make any deck that includes this turtle. One day she'll be good, or at least, that's what I want to believe,
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>>174178138
Nep was tier 2 in RoB.
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>>174178227
if you nerf cards like bahamut shadow and sword will be the ultimate t1 crafts.

the problem of the t2 is being really cheap and accessible to new players so they lose and come here to cry over something that was mean to be random draft.
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>>174178262
>T2 meme in RoB
No way, I reached masters with it. Granted, it was post the roach and rune nerfs, but calling it a meme deck is pushing it.
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Any of these rares used in non shit decks?
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>>174178138
Nep winrate was skewed because it beat dragon that hard. It lost to most crafts but made life miserable for Rowen. The only shadow deck that was ever t1 before ToG was aggro shadow.

>>174178064
When will it be Blood's turn? Shadow has had good decks from every archtype barring combo (which existed but wasn't good). Meanwhile Blood's been tier 2 at best and playing aggro for the last 9 months.
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>>174178441
If when shadow and dragon get the nerf hammer kys blood will be strong.
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>>174177876

>Remove dead cards, including a lot of legends
>Increase removal
>Possibly remove cards that are just WAY too strong like luminous mage and orthrus
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>>174178430
Er, forgot pic.
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>>174178281
She's dead Jim. Let her go.
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>>174178595
I do enjoy kys blood, I just wish it wasn't another fast deck. The game is basically decided by turn 4/5 while the rest of the game is just searching for lethal. Blood is the only craft that hasn't gotten any decent decks that weren't aggro or fast midrange.
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So, what's the verdict on tarnished grail?
Is this card a meme or not?

It seemed like a pretty cool card flavor wise but I haven't seen anyone really try using it.
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>>174178251
Nep was awkward as fuck to play as. It only really did well against dragon. You were effectively gimping half your deck for one turn play, if even manage to live that long.
Shadow aggro was the only deck that was always considered "good" but I hate that piece of shit deck so much.
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>>174178595
they'll be worse since the knife ears and swords will be out in full force.
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>>174178702
No, sorry. Arriet has some synergy with good ambush followers, but that's about it.
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>>174178702
Arriet is a core of frog decks
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ladder is nothing but ramp dragon and shadow niggers
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>at 5PP
>enemy dragon already at 10

balanced man

perfectly balanced
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Can I get a concede, fampais?

32891
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>>174178702
-Fairy Cage is one of the worst cards in the game
-Ginger doesn't have enough support to make a viable deck as of this expansion
-Arriet is for overly complex and bad memes
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>>174178725
I can't
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>>174178835
2slow
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>>174178702
>Mask
CBlood and OTK blood use it
>Fairy cage
Free liquids I guess
>Arriet
Used in loads of meme and experimental decks, like dork Jeanne and Pepe, has loads of potential. No netdeck is currently using her if not as a tech.
>Baphomet
KYS blood and Sneks
>Ginger
Cygames said in a interview that they made her bad on purpose. Cards that mix well with her will come out next expansion.
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>>174178931
Oh right, 1x Arriet is run in Pepe.

Good pack, then.
(also TWO FUCKING GINGERS SO FAR but no Comrade Eachtar, thanks RNG.)
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>>174178973
is funny how this was a joke in before ToG
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>>174178835
I lost to it once because I didn't have any wards and the guy's grail popped along with his aria, so he did astaroth + burd for an OTK
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>>174179039
fug
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>>174179107
>Cards that mix well with her will come out next expansion.
Isn't that a bit optimistic? We had to wait quite a while for meme dealer to be good...
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>>174179107
It's not so much that they made her bad on purpose, they just acknowledged that she's a bad card right now.
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>>174178835
cool card

makes dragon think twice before bahamuting and the 2 damage can be useful.

but 3 is too long for a 8pp card. game is over by then and using countdown reducing on it might as well just run seraph instead.
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>>174179143
turns out when you give a craft a bunch of healing value cards it makes it op
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>>174178973
It wouldn't be that bad if it wasn't for those overstated piece of shit neutral cards.
I can't describe how much I hate SahaIsraZell combos.
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>you will never go on a date and dance with Unica
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>>174178852
>Shadow aggro was the only deck that was always considered "good" but I hate that piece of shit deck so much.
Why tho
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>>174179143
>turn 1 pass
>turn 2 ramp
>turn 3 ramp
>turn 4 ramp
>turn 5 concede
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>>174179238
Well, they did say next expansion...
>>174179259
Yes, my bad. They also aknowledged that Anomaly is dogshit and when they tried to fix it playtesters bitched about it. And OF COURSE the only legos I pull out are Anomaly and Ginger.
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>>174179272
>dragon bahamuts on your turn 6
>somehow this makes them think twice about your fucking turn 8 do nothing

hows d rank treating you?
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>people think nerfing Shadow will fix the game
>people think nerfing Dragon will fix anything if they nerf Shadow first

The game is currently a dumpster fire. What it actually needs is a banned/restricted list. And pretty much every board clearing spell or critter and prince needs to be on that ban/restricted list. So does Grimnir. You can't fix this shit with piddling nerfs, they just need to be removed from the card pool.
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>>174179143
Before ToG Sybil didn't exist.
Healing is fucking broken in this game. Any follower with instant ramp would've been good but they really outdid themselves with her.
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>>174178835
My experience tells me it feels slightly bullshit when they get astaroth at the beginning of their turn and otherwise feels fairly useless when they don't.
It's RNG shit
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>>174178835
I've seen someone use it in Storm before just in case games go on too long and you just need that last hit or something. It's better than Aegis since it'll help clear the board and you can count it down to use it faster.
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>>174179440
Wow what a great idea, I'm sure Cygames would love to make a ton of cards only to then be forced to ban half of them
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>>174179132
I wish I could trade these.

Ginger is pretty much the only legendary I want right now. As soon as I get enough vials I'm crafting 3 of that girl for masters rank memeing.
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>>174179440
Banning cards makes no sense when you can nerf them, retard.
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>>174179440
>redditminity
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>>174179510

Happens in every CCG, man. You can't avoid it, because none of this shit is playtested to any degree that is worth shit, and the retards making it just slap words on a card and expect it to not destroy the game.

Much better card games with tons more money poured into them have shit just as bad as Shadowverse, and the only way to fix it is by banning and restricting shit.
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Haven't played in a while, is sword still decent? I have 3 Otoheimes from some months ago, or has she been powercreeped out
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>>174179595
What do you WANT Gingers for, just collecting value?

Or is she your waifu?
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>>174179326
It's "draw well and you're unstoppable, miss one good draw and you most likely lose" and with my shit luck I'm not allowed to play rng decks.
Also that retarded "hope you drew howl and Cerb before turn 6, dealt 9 damage, had enough shadows and weren't warded/outhealed turn 6 11 damage combo" :^). I either drew 3 howls and bricked or didn't draw anything.
It's not like I played it once too. I've repeatedly gone back to shadow aggro when Nep seemed to stopped working and immediately regretted it every time because it was even worse.
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>>174179672
I would give anything for the cancer cards of MTG past to show up in shadowverse so that SV players could see what real cancer is. Call me when Mind Sculptor is a card.
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>>174179748
You only need Albert for sword.
>otohime
yes she is ded
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Do you prefer your opponent conceding the moment they know it's over or would you rather they play it out and let you deal the finishing blow?
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>>174179698
>Happens in every CCG, man
No, it doesn't.
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>>174179748
Yeah, it's still decent. I don't know about otohymen though.
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>>174179757
>Or is she your waifu?
Yes.
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>>174179748

Powercreeped right out of everyones deck and into the "maybe some day, somehow" pile.
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>disconnect before I could lose to the Enstatued Seraph meme in Take Two

Honestly, why does Haven even get this card?
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>>174179843
What CCG do you play where it doesn't happen? Admittedly, it happens kinda often in Shadowverse but this isn't something other games don't experience as well.
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>>174179748
Sword is fine, Otomeme not much.
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>>174179748
>Haven't played in a while, is sword still decent?
Yes.
>Otohime
She's dead. Alberto is the new hotness.
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>>174179843

Provide examples. And CCG's that died in one set don't count, I was playing during the CCG glut of the 90's, any game worth shit that survived that era had a ban/restricted list a fucking mile long.
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>>174179915
>"maybe some day, somehow" pile.
What else would be included in that pile?
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>>174179831

I don't know anything about mtg meta, but how broken/balanced is it compared to SV, seeing as the devs are mtg pros.
It seems like there are more factors to success/bricking than SV.
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>>174179970
>why does Haven even get this card?
because all of their minions are shit.
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>>174179423
>bahamuting haven on turn 6
what is themis for 1000
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>>174180058

Anything that is currently not good enough to play, but not bad enough to vial.
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>>174179841
I'd rather they concede as soon as I hit their face down to 0.
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>>174180045
>90's
this was 27 ya
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33982 need a concede please.
emote 3 times if you need a concede back
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>>174179440
The main advantage of a digital game is that you can change cards extremely easily, and the effect is exactly the same as banning and limiting, if not better since people that love a certain card will still be able to play a numbed down version of it without having to buy it again. Why add a ban/limited list when you can just nerf?

And no, board cleaners right now are still "fair". Call me again when they print out something at the level of image related and then I'll may have to agree with you.
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>>174179440
Instead of nerfing Shadow and Dragon make every class broken.
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>>174180330
thanks vampy-chan
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Left? I have eachtar and thane, but I only have 4 necromancy cards.

I do have khawy for nep maybe.
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>>174180489

Right

4 drops are rare and lord of the flies is top tier
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>>174180342
>Mirror Force
At least give as an example a card that is actually played nowadays.
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>>174180489
Lotf is legit in T2 and Mint has a chance to actually survive one turn to cast some necromancy for free.
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>>174180342
>The main advantage of a digital game is that you can change cards extremely easily
And yet most cards games will only ever nerf cards, and never change/buff them.

Its something even Yugioh has managed to do with their erratas, even on cards that have already been printed. If Konami can manage changing cards for a physical game, then there's no excuse for a digital one not to.
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>>174180058
Soul Dealer was until recently, Pascale for when Earth rite ever gets proper support, Moon Al-Miraj, Alexander, Rose Queen, etc. Cards that aren't good (and probably never will be again) but you can't bring yourself to vial.

>>174180094
Nowadays? It depends on the format. Modern is a fucking trash fire that was so bad it's had official support withdrawn.

If you're asking about cancer cards/metas of the past, it's a little different from SV. MTG is a game with a much much larger card pool so no particular deck will reach the % representation that cancer decks in SV do. MTG is also a different game mechanically so games play out differently to an extent. What's much more common for MTG is cards to just be so good you put them in every single deck. Some of the best cards in MTG history that were later banned had a near 100% inclusion rate at tournaments. The MTG devs are sensitive to the fact that it doesn't matter if a card game is balanced if it also isn't fun to play. When certain archtypes/cards had insane representation they would ban cards just to get some variety back in the meta.
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>can't send people you added/played with ANY message whatsoever
I don't like games that do this
you should at least be able to talk to each other if you both add each other as buddies
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>>174180579
YO WHAT THE FUCK
I heard ygo was fucked but not THIS much. I just posted the card that pretty much influenced all the decks building back in the day. Damn the powercreep is unreal.
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35790

gib non-concede match,,, please!

5/20
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>>174180342
>Why add a ban/limited list when you can just nerf?

Because nerfs don't go far enough, and some things are broken no matter what you do with them if you allow multiple of them in the same deck. Some cards are going to be used no matter what. Bahamut is one. They could drop his attack/def to 5/5 and he'd still see play in a ton of decks simply because he removes everything but a select few things from play and plots a creature down. They could change Lightning Blast to a 10PP Themis and it'd still see use in every DRG deck. Etc. Basically, giving anyone constant, spammable board removal is a fucking terrible idea, which is exactly what Dragon gets right now because they ramp to 10 so easily.

On the opposite end, you've got Shadow who pretty much sticks around to everything but Lightning Blast, and thats also a fucking big problem.
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Daily concede please.
ID 24652
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>>174180579
>Literally fucking Lightning Blast

Shit, this game really is YGO tier trash
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>>174180759
Yugioh also had stuff to counter it, so it's not completely OP.
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>>174180750
Same. There's a guy I had loads of fun playing reverse T2 with, but I can't message him to set up a game.
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>>174176152
Aggro heal is better than storm.
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>>174180759
>>174180913
How do you not know about Raigeki, that card came out pretty early in YGO's life. It was banned for a while and was unbanned because power creep has made it not as broken as it used to be. Did I just reply to troll or did you genuinely not know about this card?
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>>174178137
results from doing my win 7 matches daily. could just be dumb luck but it feels strong. probably still loses to other haven decks though but in this meta it seems good.
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>>174180913
Lightning Blast is a 10pp card.
YGO cards have no mana cost. It's not even close to being comparable. Raigeki is a 0pp one sided Themis.
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>>174181014

I geniunely would never touch YGO because that game was always considered low tier trash of the CCG world. You might as well have been playing fucking Ani-Mayhem or Wyvern.
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>>174180759

Yu gi oh is basically casting all the cards in your hand for free and trying to OHKO your opponent and counter their attempts to OHKO you. I made a deck that could regularly kill on the first turn if it went second and it was "irrelevant" for competitive because it is too weak.
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>>174178835
How's this a for a deck with that card? Maybe another Odin instead of Execution? I don't know.
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51380
Need a win.
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>>174180780
Lightning Blast as it is right now barely sees play, what are you talking about?

>>174181085
Wise man. I quit around the time one turn kills started getting really common with tutors becoming insane.
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>>174181014
I stopped playing just before they released synchro monsters. Back when Judgement Dragon and Dark Armed Dragon were the hot stuff.
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>>174180762
thanks!
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>>174181236
you don't need to create and claim a room after every match anon
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Why is Cygames not balancing anything? Are the Japanese players satisfied with this trash meta?
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>>174181178
Thank you.
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>>174181269
i just realized that

sorry...
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>>174181229
Raigeki was in the base set, wasn't it? I haven't played that game since LoN but I remember getting ripped off buying a Southeast Asian Raigeki because they had it in a sleeve that covered the logo on the back.
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>>174181373
>let's change a card just because a bunch of kids are crying about a meta for 2 weeks
seems like a great idea they should nerf yurius and elana too
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>>174178137
>dump a bunch of neutral healing value cards in your deck
>it becomes viable

great game cygames

great fucking game
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>>174180857
Still need help
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>>174176207
The fuck do you have 3 stolen lives for?
Those cards are useless bricks from what I played so far
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is ramp dragon weak against anything other than bricking?
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>>174181506
You're right, waiting 2 months to slap Daria / roach on the wrist was a great plan.
>>
can someone post the absolute best dragon deck right now
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>>174181373
It's a combination of things. It takes time to see that a meta cannot be fixed by deckbuilding development and more time to see what nerfs would work without being too heavy handed. There's also the fact that an expansion comes out for this game every 3 months which by most CCG standards is fast. By the time a meta has settled there's an expansion within 2 months and at that point you only really need to nerf if something is really out of hand. I'd gladly tolerate a meta like this with expansions every 3 months than "balanced" metas where expansions take 4+ months.
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>>174181229
>>174181469
I forgot to add that I never saw anyone playing this card, so I guess it was forbidden back then? I didn't start playing from base, so I guess that I just happened to never know about it's existence.
Is it true that the fusion Relinquished also got unbanned? Because if it is, then ygo truly is in a beyond fucked up state. So much for "banning/limiting cards will make the game balanced"...
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>>174181373
Daria was clearly busted last expansion but they still took 2 months to nerf her.
If they had released a nerf patch at this point last expansions we would've seen Aggro Blood being nerfed.
Wait more, the meta has yet not fully settled. Midshadow is still growing. People are starting to play Forest again. Eventually people will realize that Pepe is a meme and go back to Midsword, that is still the best Sword deck. KYS Blood has also just started making an impact.
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>>174181373
>implying this isn't better than albertcraft or dariaverse and d-shift
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>>174181557
Mastema, obviously
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>>174179748
Sword is secret t1.
It's always fellow swordbros who ruin my streaks.
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>>174181506
Yurias was never that bad.
Elana WAS strong in it's meta and was only obsolete next expansion because the next set of broken cards was released.

Of course if you don't do anything and just wait till next expansion current strong decks would be "fine" because something even more cancerous would replace it.
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>>174181769
I did wait. The meta got worse.
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>>174181736
So you want to do in blizzard way? nerfing in to trash good cards just because of muh reddit feelings?
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>>174181769
>Daria was clearly busted last expansion but they still took 2 months to nerf her.

Daria didn't get nerfed. Piercing Rune got nerfed. Say it right or don't say it at all, otherwise some new kid might think they actually bother to fix problem cards.
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>>174181682
Very fast aggro decks with burn from hand, ideally ones that can bypass ward.

>>174181736
To be fair, Daria's winrate wasn't actually that out of hand, especially after the nerf. It was only a problem because 1/3 of ladder decided they wanted to play Daria which made people hate the deck a lot more.

Roach needed to be stopped though, ideally sooner than they did.
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>>174181762
Relinquished was only good because of Metamorphosis and that card is still banned. Relinquished is nothing special nowadays with Castel being a thing.
Honestly, even at the time, Relinquished didn't need to be banned, the Metamorphosis ban was enough. Banning it as well was overkill.
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>>174180780
>Basically, giving anyone constant, spammable board removal is a fucking terrible idea
Fucking this
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>>174181872
i can't imagine what kind of broken bullshit we'll get to beat the likes of ramp dragon
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>>174181872
Elana was tier 2 lel.
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>>174181872

And thats exactly what keeps happening. The game is definitely power creeping hard as fuck. You still see some staple cards, but rest assured at the rate they're going, those will eventually be phased out by "Card+1" too.
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>>174181769
If anything midshadow is only getting worse as in weaker and totally relies on drawing and playing catacomb when you have board desu.
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>>174181950
I am obviously refering to Daria as a deck, not as a card. Granted, I did say "nerf her", what was unintentional.
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>rank up to a0
>nothing but shadow and dragon niggers
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>>174181963
Didn't Daria have a completely fucked up winrate like more than 65% by going second and less than 50% by going first or something? Man I wish I saved those screenshots
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>>174181835
Yeah, as if Mastema is going to survive more than 1 turn.
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>>174182114
>mid shadow is getting weaker
>Winrate on shadowlog keeps going up
Plz explain
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>>174181872
>dragon getting even more powerful cards

what would that be? 2pp 1/1 fanfare: give yourself 7 empty playpoints for one turn
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>>174182179
>rank up to masters
>its full of memers
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>>174182075
Nobody means pure Elana when talking about Elana. It's always Elana/Seraph.
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That feely feel of a perfect curve
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>playing forest against blood
xdddd fuck this game
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Daria as balanced at lesat
>t4 with old lad remove 4 followers and burn 7 in face was the best meta
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>>174182249
That was tier 2 too.
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>>174181932
What are you talking about? Blizzard is even worse, they don't nerf shit unless the entire community is complaining about it. They just release even more broken shit while they wait for the cards to be rotated out.

>>174181963
The problem with Daria was that there was basically no deck that could beat it if it drew the right cards. There was no counter.
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>>174182243
Probably even MORE ramp cards. More overstated neutral cards. Maybe the ability to go above 10pp.
You can always make something better,
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>>174180780
Dragon is barely playing Lighting Blast as is. At least be consistent, if you're going to complain about Storm Ramp since the regular Ramp people actually play only has 50% win rate, then at least recognize the whole difference with storm is that they usually play little to zero Lightning Blasts.
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>>174182254
Hang yourself shadownigger
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>>174182338
not really serpah/elana was tier 1,5 at least the ultimate t1 in DE was mid range sword any forest deck and d-shift
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Would Hearthstone be the better game if decks weren't so expensive?
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>>174182351
all the hs nerfs killed the entire archetype and cards.
>>174182514
just take a look at
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Which two crafts should be the dominating crafts next expansion?

I vote blood and haven
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>>174182371
This is true. Nep STILL beats dragon because they don't have lighting blasts. I love how they memed so hard that Nep was dead and yet it's still their bane.
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Shadow has a 79% winrate in the Top 16 of that NA/EU tournament.

LUNA IS STRONG
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>>174159432
3 mana taunt in arena.
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Lmao
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>>174182370
>in 2 expak's Dragon will reach 10PP by turn 2
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>>174182514
No.
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>>174182190
Yes that's correct. I think the largest swing was 17%? Her winrates stabilized somewhere around 49-58% when you look at the overall. So while she wasn't quite broken she felt bad to play against because of the major advantage from going 2nd.

>>174182351
I won't argue that part about Daria, I'm just talking strictly about her win rates. She was good and definitely one of the best decks but far from the worst cancer I've seen in CCGs. She felt terrible to play against but at the end of the day, most decks had a 47-50% winrate against her which isn't that bad vs a tier 1 deck.
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>>174177454
It's basically this.
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>>174182624
people sayd that d-shift and daria would be more OP in the next expansion since they WILL print more spells.
>see the rune WR
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>>174182514
No. Hearthstone is just Shadowverse but with more broken bullshit, more rng, and a far worse developer.
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>>174182514
Anything is better than this unga bunga aggro shit show.
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>>174182284
Standard would be a contestant if it didn't have a tier 0 deck in it. Haven players will tell you DE was the best.
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>>174182226
I dunno. Feels like everyone already know how to counter you by not leaving a single thing on your board. Not drawing a 1 drop is really lowering your chances and you have few of those in midrange. Get your 2 drop deleted and your turn 3 play is mostly useless. Orthrus seems situational as hell now and I'd rather play something else past turn 4 desu. Later anything you play just gets deleted by dragon or haven removal because you couldn't keep a board for chaining catacombs.
Maybe it's just me having a really bad streak though.
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>>174179440
The game is rocket tag at this point, you'd need to nerf half the card pool to get anywhere, just come to terms with the fact that SV will never be balanced in any way and move on with your life.
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>>174182751
But the best deck is mid-range.

we never had a meta with t1 decks in SV they are just easy to ladder.
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>>174182642
The issue with Daria is that they'd either nut all over you or brick so either way someone in the match was upset. It was around 50% but the matches were usually one sided and the Daria player was playing against their deck more than anything else.
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>>174182751
You wouldn't say that if you knew about pirate warrior and quest rogue
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>>174182642
A deck doesn't need good win rates to be bad for the health of the game. Imagine if every deck was like Daria and you just couldn't win if your opponent drew well. It's important to fix these problems rather than burying them under more problems.
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>>174182817
Midshadow has much more ways to flood the board that doesn't rely on Catacomb.
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>>174181762
TER stopped being anything close to broken like 7 years ago, whoopty doo, you ate one of my monsters, whatever will I do, oh I know, kill it while plussing like a madman.
>>
>>174182549
How about we not have busted classes at all when the next expansions starts.
>>
Did they nerf yurius?
>>
>>174183023
>thinking 50% for everyone is ever happening in any game ever
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>>174182698
They didn't print any new meaningful cheap spells though desu. Enchanted sword is a brick. Mutagenic is too expensive. And that's pretty much all the spells.
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>>174182549

Blood and Shadow, so I can play as my two favorite characters.

ToG is truly the greatest timeline for me.
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>>174181053
And Raigeki is pretty much unplayable nowadays.
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>>174183062
I'd honestly hope that Cygames would learn from this that healing value cards are a fucking awful idea

but considering they've made the same mistake twice, i doubt it
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>>174182952
True, but at that point dragon is also in a position to remove every single one of them. You can't really deal with turn 6 Bahamut either.
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>>174182902
>>174182941
Oh I agree with you two 100%. I definitely believe it's in the best interests of the game's health to nerf when decks like Daria become rampant and people stop wanting to play the game, even if the decks are balanced. >>174182941 You specifically asked what if every deck played like Daria, welcome to the modern format of MTG. It's no coincidence that Modern is dying and losing money/support in the MTG tournament scene.
>>
Why is Elf Queen allowed to exist as a card?
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>>174183174
but i like healing effects :s board clear is dumb although
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>>174183059
>tfw playing KYS blood
>tfw based Yurius is only helping me out
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>>174183140
How bad do you need to fuck up your game when a 0 cost cleat opponent board is unplayable?
Does everyone have "cannot be effected by spells/negate enemy spells" monsters or do they just win in 1 turn anyway?
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>doing fine in take 2
>go first but force the opponent to waste all his evo points early
>connection unstable
>retry
>retry
>get this
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>174183174
All the cancer around healing is because of dragon's busted cards that help it ramp or directly ramp making it virtually riskless to do so. Let's not beat haven up more than we already have.
>>
>tfw enemy arisa needs long to think
>know he's calculating his roach cancer otk right now

fucking asian shits outta my way
>>
>>174183083
Have you played bladeshift? Enchanted sword is a solid way to win even if you don't have any blade mages in hand. Buff anything and it'll still kill them.
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>>174183363
Yes
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>>174182996
Like I said, I stopped playing really a lot of time ago, I just checked out and it was 2008 when they released synchro monsters, so I don't know how ygo "evolved" from there. I do remember that it was great fun back then, with tons of meme decks like frog, aliens, spirits that could sometimes bully the top tier armed dragons, lightsworn and monks. It's kind of sad to see how cards that back in the day I would have never thought could ever be possible to exist because they would have broken an already unstable game nowadays are not even considered a threath.
>>
but blood have healing effects
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>>174183363

>do they just win in 1 turn anyway?

Basically yea. This has been a recurring problem before synchro was a thing, even. Konami cannot catch bullshit interactions for at all.
>>
>>174183537
Healing is cancer, blood should be forced to take the risk if they want to activate vengeance or use cards that cost life.
>>
>enemy starts BMing me because I got fuck all and I'll 100% die unless I can magically pull something out of my anus
>topdeck triple ward deaths breath
>he concedes

HEHE
>>
>>174181994
>>174181762
Fuck, I just realized Relinquished is the Ritual. You confused me because you called it "the fusion Relinquished". I meant Thousand-Eyes Restrict.
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>>174183689
>Healing is cancer
t. Unga
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>>174183689
Have you seen vengeance blood? They only use diabolic drain, and even that has to be used carefully because it can shut down your entire deck if used at the wrong time.
>>
>>174183825
Don't worry, I got what you meant.
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>>174183212
Dance of Death. Nobody uses it though because they would rather put in cards to flood the board instead.
>>
Need a concede.
33827
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>>174183689
t. Bunga
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Can I play on Steam without having to start it through Steam?
Like, just starting the .exe in the steam folder?
>>
Does SV need a skullcrack effect
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>>174184029
Thanks Dapper Dhampir
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>>174184167
Yes. But if you say that all the heal players will come out and bitch, after saying that decks need options for counterplay.
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>>174184167
No.
This is what we need.
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>have lethal on board
>plays forte go face
I guess rank does matter after all
>>
>>174184045
i think not but you can play offline or with the dllshift
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>>174184045
Why would you want to?
>>
>>174184414

We need more variety effects in general.
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>>174184521
Dragon at present time requires neither skill nor brains, it basically autopilots itself to master
>>
This haven I just fought did a total of like +50 heal throughout the match
I want to puke
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>>174184521
he probably has no idea what luminous knight does
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Suggested fix: remove DShift from the game, give Rune this instead.

Yes/no?
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>>174184709
i really think that cygames need to cut in half all have healing effects
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>>174184521
>Otomeme
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>>174184749
No thanks, I don't want to play RNGcraft
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>>174184749
Let's leave the RNG shit to Hearthstone, shall we?
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>>174184749
Keep 'em cucked Blizzkun!
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>>174184749
Sure. Can that DoD itself? (
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>>174184749
It would be terrible considering the spells in this game.
>Deal 6 face damage, clear the board four times, and deck yourself
Also fuck off with the randomness.
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>>174184749
What would that even accomplish? We don't have enough Spells that hit face for it to be a win con.
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>>174184749
It'd be too good since the vast majority of offensive spells in shadowverse can only be cast on "enemies" and "enemy followers", wheras in hearthstone you can cast a lot of them on your own minions and your own face, which is what usually kills yogg
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>>174184849
>>174184893
>>174184895
>>174184934
>svshills calling yogg a unhealthy card
it's a shame taht blizz nerfed this amazing and balanced card :/
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>>174184998
Astaroth + any burn would do it.
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Any super low masters, like 100pts or less, what's your master ranking? I'm curious how many are up here.
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>>174184749
>play this
>it does fairy circle ten times
>you lose

epik
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>>174185269

2k points reporting in.
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>>174185038
this is kind of a shame, but then shadow would have a billion ways to trigger their last words
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Which one?
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>>174185269
369.
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Who here /24k score this month so far/?
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>>174185269
122 points here.
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>>174185461
31k here.
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>>174185543
What's your ranking? It's in the Master Menu
>>
Someone make a new fucking thread already
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>>174185461
25k so far
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>>174184749
>Randomness: The Card
I think I'll pass.
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>>174175658
this deck is shit
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>>174185638
>>
New
>>174185824
>>174185824
>>174185824
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>>174185425
Blood
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>>174185835
Wow, there's a lot up here. Thanks.
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