/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

How do I beat an awakened fallen empire?

I was able to singlehandedly crush the unbidden but the awakened empire destroys me.

I can't outrange them because I went kinetic. They're using lances and strike craft. I have giga cannons, kinetic batteries and matter disintegrators and point defense.

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So, what are you supposed to do with factions? Please them so you can have influence growth? Is it even possible to please more than 2? I can never get this one out of red

Also, that feel when.

With core systems instead of core planets, I wonder if the research penalty is still per planet or per system.

How do I get good at Rimworld?

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A month ago:

Q:
>Martin Anward,
>All of the Ascension Paths in Utopia seem interesting, but the fact that the Psionic path was given its own dev diary while the other two were put together in one seemed to indicate to me at first that Psionics received more attention than Biologics or Synthetics. Or it could be just that the latter added onto existing game mechanics, while the Shroud is certainly a new feature.
>My question is whether or not you intend or would like to expand the Biologic and Synthetic ascension paths in future content or DLCs. For example, I can easily conceive of Biologics leading to the taming of spaceborne organisms, or even the crafting of bioships. Perhaps there could also be inspiration drawn from Eldar Maidenworlds to make entire planets 'alive' as a singular organism. On the Synthetic side, perhaps they could eventually turn all their worlds into planetary computers as they no longer have any use for ecology or even atmospheres. One frequent question that was asked of you before was how the Synthetic ascension path would interact with the Machine Uprising, and I'm interested to see what is planned for that in Utopia.
>In general I'd like to see more 'event flavor' for those two ascension paths on par with what we have been shown so far with the Psionic path. But if you intend to leave this to the modding community and focus on other mechanics of the game (warscore and diplomacy) I'd understand perfectly.

A:
>Psionics got more attention because it lacked an associated mechanic, while the other two built on existing mechanics. I'm not going to rule out building more on those paths in the future but there are no concrete plans for it right now.

Well, that's all folks.

>>173895119
Kek, what a shitty fucking spot for a dreadnought. At least you know nobody else is comin for you from that direction.

>>173895150
>colonizing more than one planet per system
waste, to be honest. unless it's a really good one, you're better off expanding borders

>>173894813
Orbital bombardment kind of kills ground combat too in its current state. I know in reality whoever controls space would likely dominate but it makes surface combat an afterthought.

>>173895124
If they were to go for that style of ground combat they'd need to overhaul the attachments system in a way that I really hope would include that.
Although we still don't have fleet templates so who knows

>>173895227
I'm a babby playing 1000 stars with the minimum amount of AI
also shitload of mods like Ringworld start and another one that for some reason inflates the economy like nothing else (see the 36 minerals star to the left

Is slavery worth it?

>>173895387
>1000 stars
>minimum amount of AI

How will you purge the xenos if there aren't even any for thousands of lightyears?

>>173895185
What were the mechanics the other two were built on? Being shit?

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>>173895480
>is it worth it to have a cutie space waifu to molest when you feel like it
GEE I DUNNO

>>173895524
I just want comfy.

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>tfw want to go egalitarian but love the new alien controls too much to give up
I just want to keep aliens confined on their own planets with high living conditions, is that too much to ask?

>>173895387
>1000 stars with the minimum amount of AI
That sounds really boring.

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>thought this was something from some mod
>it's actually that fucking trap

I'm not falling for this again.

>>173895480
Yeah. I make all the gross aliens chattel or battle thralls, and all the cute ones domestic servants.

>>173895647
Who's that guy? He looks like a cuck.

>>173895678
In my defense, I put max fallen empires ( 8 ) and have a mod for multiple crisis

Also plan on going psionics

>>173895801
wat

Is there anywhere I can get a full description of the different ascendancies? The stellaris wiki doesn't appear to have been updated yet.

Also, how do I get the "Chosen One" trait for my ruler, I'm willing to add it through cheats for RP purposes.

>>173895564
That too, but Synths and biomodding already existed in the vanilla game in simple state. Paradox are lazy jews.

>>173895647
It's also retarded that you can't enslave aliens as Xenophobic Egalitarian. You can purge xenos any ways you want, even work them to death or eat them but no proper slavery.

>>173895647
I played commonwealth of man which is xenophobe, aliens were all "resident" instead of citizens and had welfare so they were happy, if restricted to their own planets.

Worked well but giving everyone welfare meant that the egalitarian faction grew in power and were unhappy that the xeno were residents and didn't have full rights.

>>173895926
I didn't say easy, just boring.

>>173895929
I lost the screen, but basically, once you put mining stations on that system, after a while some 2~3k strength mining drones/pirates/whatever pop up and destroy everything

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Should I go with foxes, or the reptile ones with Fu-Manchu-like tendrils?

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>mfw having shitton of excess food growth is actually nice
basically doubled my shit

>>173896242
yiff in a blackhole, space furfag

>>173895109
Guys plz help

Purifiers not getting any unity points from killing xenos still hasn't been fixed, has it? I wanted to play tall Purifier and use cleanse war demand to fuck anyone settling too near.

>>173896407
See >>173895240

Repost cause I'm curious

So what happens if UNoE goes psyonic and CoM goes cyborg and they have a migration treaty?

Do cyborgs going into Earth unlock their minds? Do psykers going to Deneb have the potential to be modified for implants?

>>173896243
What are those planet modifiers?

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>research synthetics
>instant slavery cause no materialism
>send them all to a newly colonized planet
>sell it to materialist empire

did patch 1.5.1 fix the broken horizon signal event chain?

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>>173896602
>Still can't make Psychic Cyborg Gene-seed Super-Soldiers in the non-existent Army Designer.

How is genetic ascension ?

>>173895968
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-63-synthetic-and-biological-ascension.1002382/
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-60-psionics-and-the-shroud.998827/

Basically Synthetic and Biological net clear cut stat changes whereas Psionic unlocks more events and RNG based rewards.

>>173896243
Perhaps consider going up to the medium stockpile, can't hurt to have spare food.

>Federation member gets declared war on
>makes sensible and fair victory conditions for if we win
Neat.

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>>173896705
It's from a mod

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=865040033
Makes most planets have at least one modifier.

Most of them are pretty balanced. Both positive and negative (although I always encouter a shitload of -5% or -10% habitality, or +% build cost/time). Some are pretty OP though (+50% minerals, +25% society research points)

>>173896940
OP from what I hear.

>>173897052
How so ? I dont get it, how can 2+3 points be worth that much ?

>>173897091
You get new traits and faster gene modding. If You are in to micromanaging, it can be OP

>>173896705
Guilli's Planet Modifiers.
Pretty cool since it also adds modifiers to planets, stars, and gas giants, sometimes just as flavor text to make them more unique from each other.

>>173897018
Looks helpful, thanks. Any idea where I can find something on the Chosen One trait?

>>173897051
>>173897273
Thanks, it looks interesting

>>173896548
Thanks m8

But they've been awaken for a while. I have the damage perk for dealing with them so I guess it's just gonna take some time and hit and run tactics

What settings should I choose for a communist China empire?

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>>173896242
>>173896380

>>173897786
>trash
>ugly
>repugnant
>xenophonic
>retarded
>fleeing
There.

>>173897786

Fanatic materialist, pacifist, xenophobic.

I grabbed a ton of graphical mods (different flag backgrounds, colours, cities, portraits etc). What gameplay mods are worth looking at?

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feels good to be a slaving empire, have enother 2 primitves for livestock production.

>>173897953
>China
>pacifist
Anon...

>>173897786
xenophobic
authoritarian
materialist

>>173898065

You want them to be xenophobic isolationist, just like half of the nations in asia.

US used the MOAB for the first time ever today.

>>173898187
>half
Well aren't you optimistic.

>>173895119
I think what they were going for is having factions shape your empire's policies. So you change things to please the faction you want to dominate your empire, and suppress the factions you don't want in your empire. But the thing is, suppression on its own has a negligible effect on getting rid of a faction, you need to stack governing ethics attraction to really see a difference. And even then, if that faction has more than 10 pops in it then it might never go away completely.

is there a stellaris mod that fixes "fleet power" and gives me some actually useful information instead?

>>173897786

Don't pick authoritarian. Authoritarian only works if you want a monarchy or a heavily stratified society. If you pick dictatorship as materialist, chances are you get totalitarian regime as description, which it fits. Add xenophobic and pacifist to the bill and you are done.

what's the best difficulty setting for stellaris?

>>173897834
much better

>>173898275
nice video game

>>173898523
>>173898187
>>173897953
I'm not sure I understand how pacifist fits at all. I guess it could be isolationist but it just feels off.

>>173898275
sandkipz arent human, im more annoyed at how that's money we're not spending on ourselves than any non-humans dying.

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>build a ringworld
>build mining stations on the ringworld

>>173897786
Fanatic materialist and Xenophobe ethics
Democratic mandate
Police State and Shadow Council civics

Race should have Conformist, Rapid Breeders, and Wasteful.

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man that is a badass symbol. next time i make nazbol-pagan space slavs i'll have to take that.

>>173898836

Pacific + Xenophobic = Xenophobic Isolationist AI. Bonus points if you pick Inward Perfection, Repugnant trait, and/or Sedentary trait

>>173898872
Not sure about ringworlds, but habitats at least describe their mining stations as collecting resources from the nearby asteroid fields.

>>173898839
Nice edge, kid. Been sharpening that all break?

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>>173898275
what a bomb, sure it might be impractical but if it isn't neat

>>173899105
oh i get that archer joke now

>>173899105
Yes, but what if, TWO MOABs?

>>173899098
>m-muh edge
You've earned a gold star for this post.

Would China be Continental or Tropical?

>>173898275

One more step towards using nukes vs terrorist and rebels.

>>173899235
What do you mean?

>>173899105

I like how the Russian responded by creating The Father of All Bombs.

>>173899579
Russians are very sore losers.

>>173899542

The planet.

>>173899235
What the fuck do you think earth is?

>>173899697
Oh, a Stellaris thing. I'll see myself out.

> Try idyllic agrarian fast breeders for giggles
> Shitty starting sectors, ready to reroll
> Find titan burger world
> Open up McD's faster than fist of the northern food chain
> Year 15
> 8 unity points
> 27 pop
> +56 food
> Starving on everything else
It's a good thing I don't have any neighbors or I'd be fucked.

>>173899542
>>173899701

I mean the homeworld for Space Alien Chinese.

>stellaris project lead moving to another tasks

sign of better things to come?

>>173899070
Ringworlds use the same building as planets though.

>>173894962
What's this screenshot from?

>>173899809
Offworld Trading Company.
A game that caters to your capitalistic boner but becomes too easy the moment you get teleportation.

Does the game warn you that some idiotic Psionic Empire had the brilliant idea to chose End of Cycle?

>>173899882
Ahhh, thanks.
I knew what it was but I couldn't remember the name at all.

>gasbros have a communist uprising
>given option to help them crush the commies
Hooray!

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>>173895929
there we go. still managed to fall for it

>>173899903
Can AIs even choose it? Because that would be fucking hilarious if so.

I have yet to see any AIs do any ascendance stuff. Or build mega structures.

BY THE WAY LADS:

What weapons do I get to fuck up the unbidden?

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>>173899786
just get immigration treaties

your wombs will defeat them

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Awww :3

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>>173900484

>>173900484
Eat them. They are weak.

>>173900471

The AI does pick ascension perks. However, it is much less efficient than the player when it comes to pursue them.

As for the End of Cycle I believe they have an extremely low chance to pick it.

endless space is on sale on steam for one dollar

>>173900804
>As for the End of Cycle I believe they have an extremely low chance to pick it.
It would be funny if they did.

>battling a massive empire, no idea how its sustaining itself against my onslaught
>suddenly it disappears
>slaanesh rapes my empire by itself
sasuga

>>173901301
That raises the question, what popups do you get for that event if you aren't the one who caused it?

>>173899903
>>173900471
>>173900804
>player or AI picks the cycle
>everyone else is notified
>sudden mad rush to genocide the shroud marked race

>>173901479
>Window pop up: "Fuck."
>possible replies: "Fuck."

>>173901485
>be losing in multiplayer, pick it
>hold out for 50 years until you summon slaneesh to deal with the people who defeated you
neener neener neener

Endless Space is going for a buck right now, is it good?

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Please help me name my two new planets and stars I took from the perfidious fungus.

>planet name a European country
>star name a European pagan god

I still don't have much from Eastern Europe and I've mostly been working from the Norse and Greek pantheons.

>>173901912
sure

>>173900471
ive had a good go at them with kinetic artillery. if you dont have that go with something that has more range than their extradimensional weapons. getting a cautious leader would help toward that end too.

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what do you think of this

>>173901925
Perun, lithuania

donar, germania

>>173902109
>Very strong

I mean

why

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>>173901925
Also here's the situation for my genocidal white man run. The Provalguvor on the right tried to tag team me alongside the purple dudes to the left so I raped them and took a couple worlds.

So far I've exterminated two other civilizations. I almost started on the primitives and then had a change of heart seconds before my troops landed on their planet. They don't know how close they came to extinction. As long as they're below space age I will consider the xenos curiosities to be studied only. Everyone else must be removed.

The two planets I just took I've decided to start a massive refugee crisis instead of purging them. I'll get them all at once in the next war.

>>173902183
Got another god and country? Poland's star is Perun and I have a Germany. Might just do another Baltic.

>>173900686
Thought it was a Cazador for a moment.

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What the fuck, really? With so many planets out there, you gotta pick the one right in the middle?

Fucking xenos I swear

>>173902109
>Very Strong
>Warrior Culture
>FREE FUCKING HAVEN
>Wasteful

Fuck sakes lad start over

>>173902448
Obviously roleplay.

>>173902109
I like it, go forth and purge

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Anyone else notice the little track player in the upper right hand side of the screen in Stellaris? If that's new kudos to whatever person thought to put it in, the soundtrack in this game is great.

When Cradle of the Galaxy hits the 2:30 mark even shuffling leaders around while waiting on a DoW cooldown feels epic.

>>173902448
>>173902698
>Very Strong and Warrior Culture

it's a race of big fucking knights who protect the weak

>Free Haven
What better way to protect a refugee than giving him a home surrounded by big guys

>Wasteful
I needed points also fucking tournaments and knight bling isn't cheap

>>173902917
>purge

n-no

Hello where is the free DLC folder? What are you, some kind of paradox babby or something?

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>>173902464
The latest editions.

I will fucking micro every planet in this galaxy I swear to god.

>>173903132
I like it!

>>173902976
It's a really nice addition though I just let shit play normally.
I really adore how much the Utopia soundtrack reminds me of vicky2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_0mJjd1q6w is still my favorite track though.

>>173903132
You can purge the evil hive minds can't you?

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Should I keep u updated?

>>173896548
Not at as of yesterday with 1.5.1

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Is there anything more frustrating than starting next to two advanced starts with warmonger ethics and getting assraped in less than 15 years?

>1000 stars
>8 empires
>2 advanced
>2 fallen
>random placement
Is this a bad idea? Will it be too lonely?

I need Stellaris to go faster than that "fastest" speed setting. It's too slow. I've got the game on that speed all the damn time.

>>173903214
>eurotrash
>furry faction emblem

every time

>>173903356
Yes please. I'm definitely making that.

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>>173903214
>russian god for latvia

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>>173903356
>no description

>>173903356
cut intelligent and natural engineers and replace them with something that makes sense.
Otherwise s'cool.
Not really much to talk about without a description though.

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post meymeys

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>>173903893

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should I open with discovery as usual?

>>173904215
It depends

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so it begins

>>173904364
On what.

>>173904215
it's really nifty how well the traditions follow the explore, expand, exploit exterminate formula. Someone must have really thought at paradox

>>173902612
w8 hold up, you have to be xenophobe to say no?!

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>>173904386
EYO HOL' UP

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>akx.9310.e.fanaticauthoritarian

>>173904604
Is that a modded event?

>>173904430
What type of nation you are playing.
If you have a ton of great habitable worlds around you then expansion might be better.
If you're playing fanatical purifiers then you want to discover as few other nations as you can to avoid them all going enemy of my enemy with one another.

Otherwise yeah.
It aint a hard decision. Use your noggin'.

anyone can show me a industry based empire?

>>173904386
>crown prince theobald

A great Korean name

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Just when I'm about to finish the first section of my drink worlds, can't deal with Unbiddens right now. How fucked am I with the current forcelimits?

>>173904682
Nah it's part of the worm memery.
Horizon signal.
0.4% chance of spotting an anomaly that starts the chain when you enter a black hole system

How can i make more minerals?
Also it's really annoying to fight unbidden on your own while other empires are killing each other

>>173905197
>splitting up instead of having a doomstack
weird
You could probably win with that if you act really quick and have the appropriate build.(kinetics)

unbidden stacks are around 54k strength and they start with six of them I think.
About 70k kinetic stack will obliterate the 54k and take around 3k losses. But that gets exponentially worse the more you fight.

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>>173903417
Plz respond

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>>173904386
What Kim would pick?

>>173905415
its friday night and u are browsing /vg/ and playing stellaris, nothing is too lonely for u :(

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Noob question:

When colonizing a planet, which tile should I place the starter base at?

I tried placing it on a 2 Mineral 1 Food tile, but then I saw that when it's completed it gets overwritten into just a 2 energy tile.

Should empty tiles be prioritized?
Should you move your upgraded capital buildings later?

Pls advice.

>>173905580
Domination

>>173905724
The capital building/administration provides an adjacency bonus to food and mineral production.

>>173905393

>54k strength
>6 of them

Well, fuck that, I'm barely 80k. And I tend to unite them during a war or have two armies.

Thankfully on the closer inspection they spawned inside rival's borders, but I'm curious on whether they will be able to handle the situation. There's also an awakened empire between the the unbidden and me.

Time to crank up the warship production

>>173905220
>paid dlc that has 0.4% chance of triggering when exploring a black hole of which there's a handful per galaxy
I'm not sure how to feel about this but it's probably not very good

>have a 70k doomstack
>unbidden spawn
>kill 3 56k fleets
>49k remain
>fight 59k unbidden fleet
>35k remain
>need time to rebuild fleet
>the more time I waste the more unbidden will arrive
Is there any way to actually win this

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>>173905724
Noob question #2:

How should I handle Frontier Outposts?

Should I be trying to leapfrog to connect my starting area with other habitable planets, or should I chill in my area in the early game, building one or two frontier outposts only to expand my borders slightly where I plan to put mining stations, as a sort of buffer between me and other empires?

How many do you usually build in the early game? I don't want to shoot myself in the foot with energy or influence costs

>>173905821
So I should prioritize empty tiles that are adjacent to production tiles, right?

>>173905972

Fortify your important regions with fortresses and fight under them whenever you can, bait the larget fleets into fight there

>>173905972

Destroy the dimensional anchors and then go after the portal.

>>173906097
Thats what I do.

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>>173905580
Domination it is, aso Kim may have found his new pet

>>173905821
it provides adjacency bonus to energy as well

>>173905724
in previous version colony capital provided food and minerals and placing them on food/mineral was wise since any other structure suppresses one or the other. They changed it to energy though so yeah, feel free to place them on energy tiles.

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>>173905356
Just colonies dude.

>>173905415
The only responses can be opinions.
These opinions are different to your own.

Launch the fucking game outside of ironman mode.
Open the fucking console with ~
type 'observe'

FUCKING FUCK SAKE
>SPOONFEED ME SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS, I CAN'T START A PROPER CONVERSATION
>PLEASE TALK TO ME

HERE IT IS YOU PATHETIC ANT, THOSE EXACT SETTINGS. BECAUSE IT TAKES ME TWO SECONDS TO CHECK, LIKE IT WOULD YOU. BUT YOU'RE EITHER TOO LAZY OR TOO THICK TO DO IT YOURSELF.

>>173905869
It is not paid.
It is like the meme child of satan event you can get in CK2, incredibly rare but really fucking strong.

>>173905832
They react really quickly to you being in the portal system but their sublight speed isn't special. If you have wormholes it ain't too difficult. If you don't then it's really hard without overwhelming firepower.
If they're across the map then you won't be able to portal snipe in due time anyway.

Be warned that it awakens fallen empires if you have one near. Though they do beeline the crisis enemy.

any mods that remove invasions from stellaris? tedious garbage

>>173906101
They spawned in the other side of the galaxy so I'm okay for now.
>>173906157
Anchors are fucking insane, how I'm even supposed to fight 30k station?

Do you guys mine up everything with stations? Not sure if +2 mineral patches are worthwhile.

New player here

What's the advantage of having Wormhole or Hyperdrive over Warp?

It just seems like Warp is much more intuitive.

>>173906709
With a bigger stack

>>173906728
Hyperdrive lets you play hyperlane only games and wormhole is a better version of warp that needs cheap stations.

>>173903356
>mass drivers
>not missiles
It's like you can't do anything right.

Start with missiles and never upgrade them.

>>173906097
Empty or relatively worthless(low food or society research are probably the most worthless) bordering as many energy and minerals as you can.

There is ZERO(unless you're playing hyperlanes) value in actually making sure your territory is properly connected.
You slap frontier outposts to cuck the AI out of good resources and to grab them for yourself.

Depends on the game. You need more if you have fewer good colony options to make up for your shortcomings. If you do have a lot of colonies then they're still obviously fine to build because you still have the same influence, but they come later as developing colonies is more important.

With the expansion traditions they end up being decently cheap as well.

>>173906728
Warp is really slow. Hyperdrive is decently fast but really awkward. Wormhole is the best of the three by an unbelievable margin.
Hyperlanes only(the game setting) can be an interesting way to play though.

>>173906709
With your fleet.
>Oh no its long range weapons are slowly killing a cruiser, while its short range weapons are missing repeatedly against my corvettes becauase military stations have fuckall tracking. Oh most of its fleet score is in its large health pool which doesn't matter because I'm firing at it with 90k worth of kinetics.

>>173906728
wormhole makes travelling long distances trivial
hyperdrive lets you travel shorter distances faster
warp drive lets you be free and slow

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>soon half my population will be slaves
feels rich man

>>173906379

>They react really quickly to you being in the portal system but their sublight speed isn't special. If you have wormholes it ain't too difficult. If you don't then it's really hard without overwhelming firepower.

>If they're across the map then you won't be able to portal snipe in due time anyway.

You truly are my greatest ally. Just one more thing; I switched to Jump Drives from Wormhole earlier on. Is Wormhole superior?

>>173905869
It was free I think think

Around what year would you say it's safe to get Jump Drive (assuming someone else gets it and triggers the Unbidden)? I've skipped the research 4 times now, and it's 2313.

>>173907058
No. Though unless you have the psi-jump drive then you might lose a tiny bit of range compared to wormholes 3. I don't remember exactly. At the end of the day the autonomy and speed of the jump drives make them better anyway.

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Rate my civilization, please

>>173907003
>your territory is properly connected

This is much less important now that open borders is on by default but it may cut off your colonies if a neigboring empire decides to close borders, I dont think leap-frogging can be done anymore.

>>173907268
I would say to put it off indefinitely. Let some AI fool fuck up the galaxy. You just focus on stockpiling munitions.

>>173907268
What is your fleet strength?
2313 you should be approaching the ability to shrug off the unbidden.
As to who triggers it and where it spawns seems a bit weird.

>no option to attach warpdrives to 50 million nukes and launch them all, across the galaxy, at the great enemy

>>173907368
Doesn't really work unless you're modding it so you're not going to start just having discovered space travel a decent distance from inhabited planets.

>>173907368
Nice description. What are their traits?
That's my favorite plant portrait.

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>>173907509
Nukes are smalltime.

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>>173907058
>>173907302
I forgot that there exists a more precise answer to your question on the wiki.
Come to your own conclusion as to which is better.

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>>173907517
Modding is too much work. I can always just play pretend :^).
>>173907580
Thank you! This should answer your question nicely and in fewer words, I think :)

>>173907785
>impact so hard it turns part of the ring to a normal planet

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>there's no unique event for charting the galaxy

>>173907937
If thats too much work you can easily swap planet for countries or something along those lines and it'll work great.

>>173908018
Ah. True. Thanks for the advice!

>>173907937
I'd recommend a different name that follows Fallen Empire naming conventions referring to their near-extinction and past glory.

>>173906379
>It is not paid.
>>173907081
>It was free I think think

Ah okay. I guess that's alright then, if mildly frustrating.
Sorry Sweden.

>>173907903

Yes, I guess I'll go with wormholes then. Jump Drives seem mad expensive in comparison. Thanks again!

>>173908141
You mean something to the effect of "Estwani Remnants?"

>>173906379
Did you ever consider I'm new to the game and didn't know there was a dev console? Or maybe I was legitimately interested in what people thought about that start? Or maybe I was being ironic with the "plz respond" comment? But nah just sperg out like an autist.

Fucking kys m8

>>173907005
I wish that was still true for hyperdrive.
The big problem is that the map types themselves are imbalanced. A map of a given star count is the same size regardless of what layout the stars are in. An elliptical map has overall longer hyperdrive connections. 4 armed spirals have a bunch of short connections, and a few long connections between arms. While hyperdive is good on spirals if you happen to spawn in a location next to an arm transition lane, it's really shit if you spawn anywhere else because the short jump range coupled with the wind down time make it roughly equal speed wise to warp, but with none of the freedom of movement bonuses of warp, so it's super easy to get boxed in. It was acceptable back when you could initiate jumps from anywhere in the system because then it had a real tactical advantage over warp, but since they made hyperdrive ships travel to the system edge the same as warp and wormhole, it put it at a real disadvantage.

Wormholes are still the best and I really wish they'd balance the other two to be on par.
Something like base warp range being twice what it is now, and advanced hyperdrives enabling things like chain jumping or revealing new long range lanes. Even a hyperdrive bore ship like the Zuul in SoTS enabling you to create temporary hyperspace lanes, and something more advanced that stabilizes those lanes and makes them permanent.

>>173907442
8.5K

>>173907509
You might as well just fire rocks at warp for the same effect

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Reposting from early last thread because I have a follow up now.

Welcome to hivemind no mans land. So originally the place was fully colonized, the blue outline was the blue hivemind, the pink outline the dark pink hivemind and the red outline the light pink fanatic militarist xenophobes.

So pretty much instantly after first contact with each other the hiveminds and militarists have been at constant grinding 3 way war with each other that I checked in on every now and then to keep up to date and see if anyone got a big advantage that could pose problems to me and this is my most recent check.

The psychotic bastards have managed, through constant ceding and conquest in wars, to wipe each other out to the point where two of what were once the most powerful empires in the south of the galaxy are now crippled single system empires, and the fanatic militarists have lost half of their empire and absolutely no fleet power left and have had significant territories marked with the cyan outline conquered from the north by a previously irrelevant faction which has put them on much more equal footing. While the green empire to the south has been able to expand unopposed into the wasteland left by these 3 chumps.

>buddy just bought me endless space collection
all right lads, what do I need to know before I go in

>>173908492
Nah. Missiles are better. You want to be able to detonate them, remotely, if they get pulled out of warp by a subspace snare. If you gotta miss the homeworld then you can at least take out a station.

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rate

>>173908436
Three Ftl methods was a mistake

>>173908582
Use plenty of lube and take your time. It's not a race.

>>173908156
Don't apologise, Paradox deserve the flak anyway, just not for that specific event chain.

>>173908275
The benefits really outweigh the cost. It sounds like you're having mineral troubles in general than that the drives are particularly expensive. But yeah I guess taking them out temporarily may save on more ships in the short term.

>>173908390
I was just pretending to be upset my dude, wouldn't have put in the 30 seconds of effort into gimp if I wasn't. Thought there was a fair chance that you didn't know about the console.
But still at the end of the day it's pretty subjective. Would've been better to frame the question more along the lines of asking people how many AI empires at huge size they felt was appropriate.

>>173908383
Something like that yeah.
That name just seems a bit newly invented for a sci-fi human-analogue that reaches the stars will still somewhat divided, and they throw together a generic UN themed council to represent their people as a whole.
Rather than a name referring to a new union, your faction sounds more of like a small part of an old union forced into independence.

Remnants, Resurgence. Maybe something like that. It's a matter of opinion it's just that the word United doesn't seem to fit much. League works, but United just sounds a bit weird to me given your description.

>>173908814
They could work but they have to balance them properly.

Like fortresses would be useful if they weren't so fucking expensive and if the game design itself actively punished doom blobs.

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Ringworlds or wonders?

>>173908658
What if you just don't miss? Newtonian physics should not be hard for a civilization that has mastered warp drive technology. No need to exploit fission when inertia already does the job.

>>173909103
Why not both?

>>173908678
>america
>black and red flag

2/10 needs more stars and stripes

>nomadic
what

>>173909103

Ring worlds seem infinitely more useful to me considering the wonders have incredibly shitty returns. Science thing gives like 50 each (55 with an event), Dyson Sphere gives 400 energy and I don't remember the third one. A good Ring World on the other hand gives you much more.

>>173909103
>Iris Silverman
long descendant of Sarah? I knew that bitch was a robot. No way a human can have a body fucked up like that

>>173909103
Are you a species with lots of migration? If so, ringworlds for that sweet 4-planet 25 tile goodness.

If you're not, then build mechanical wonders and shock the universe with your mechanical prowess, as machines do.

>>173908949
>I was just pretending to be retarded
Come on man. That's like lowest tier shit.

Also don't underestimate what effort or lengths an autist will go to in order to prove a point when they get triggered.

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>>173908517
So the cyan Bothrian Star Commonwealth have basically removed the pink Avarria Star Regime from the galactic power stage, the green Meko'Nass Conglomerate have continued to push into the desolate no mans land although nothing like as much as the Bothrians.
Surprisingly the purple hive mind haven't expanded out of their single system again and remain there, existing only by the grace of their status as a protectorate under me since all their neighbors hate them, and while the Tycan hive have made steps to reclaim their old territory they too have fallen behind to the point where they are also now a protectorate, I might throw some resources at them to fund some expansion.

As for the rest of the near galaxy, the three empires to the north of me are in a loose bundle of non-aggression pacts and defensive alliances that I'm remaining mostly neutral but friendly with and the Independent Backatta Confederacy to the east exist purely as a galactic punching bag, with everyone nearby them regularly waging war against them for literally no gains, only humiliation as the war goal, while I slowly carve them up into several liberated vassals under my rule. And literally nothing has happened in the northwest of the galaxy in the last 40 years

I should probably start spending some resources soon because all of these being capped is starting to annoy the shit out of me.

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Uh oh, what happens now?

>>173909441
america was created from many diffrent nations you know

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>>173909103
>Having to choose.
You're like a little baby.

Watch this.

A S C E N D

>>173908678
Too fascist in symbol.
Even if militarism might overshadow the egalitarian nature of the people, the militarism is generally understated and unannounced compared to the latter.

I'd do souring wings instead and a more traditional colour scheme.
I can only speak for myself but the point of space America is to still pretend to be the original United States at heart, even if your actions are wildly left or right field.
Look at Fallout for an example.

NO DESCRIPTION THOUGH.

>>173909103
I'd go Ringworlds. They're a lot more functional.
Dyson spheres are really underpowered, the Science Nexus is pretty much unnecessary at that stage in the game. Sensor thing is alright but generally unnecessary as well.
>Synth
>Iris Silverman
great stuff

>>173909282
The "missing" they're referring to is countermeasures altering the momentum and path of the projectile.

>>173909441
Nomadic boosts migration speed, as poor as Stellaris' species traits are it is present on Humans by default and is supposed to represent wanderlust.

>>173909603
Yeah I as pretty bored.

>>173909103
Both Dyson Sphere and Nexus are worse than fucking habitats specced into tech or energy generation in terms of resource returns. The full galaxy building is decent if you're fighting a lot.

Ringworlds are great no matter what you do, but they're also abhorrently expensive and not worth it if you're going wide.

>>173903417
yes you will be super lonely

you need about 50% more empires with random starts compared to clustered

What's the new fucked up fleet meta? Still corvettes+battleships with kinetics or is it something else?

>>173909702
Is the extra traditions mod good then?

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>>173909691
Glorious Synthetic Evolution.

>>173909774
>souring wings
Fuck, don't eat those.
Soaring*

>>173909702
Link? I don't usually use mods but I'd like to see what bonuses they slapped in the new trees.

>>173909702
Which mod?

>>173909895
I'm enjoying torpedo 'vettes
little niggers tear through everything that doesn't has PD
>mfw friend called me cheater in MP for obliterating his ass with torpedoes

>>173908949
Thank you for the advice! But now I feel I should run some names by you, because you seem to be as conscientious as I can be sometimes about word choice. How do you feel about the following names?:
Estwani Resurgence (or restoration) Front
Estwani Resurgence Foundation
Estwani Resurgent League
Estwani League

>>173909950
filename, dumb phoneposter

>>173910143
>implying I'm a phoneposter
>implying I'm not just too retarded to check filenames

>>173909876
So what would you consider a good balance between stars to empires? I want something more "realistic" like about 8 races but not too small of a map where it feels like the distance traveled is too short. I guess I could use clustered starts but I assume that means no empire will spawn on the opposite side of the galaxy correct?

In stellaris, is is easier to play tall or wide ?


Also how many planets are considered tall by mid-game?

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>>173909903
I'm still checking it out.

>>173909942
>>173909950
Plentiful Traditions.
It only allows you to unlock 12 of the 20 Ascension Perk slots it has though. The Extra 8 are to allow for Compatibility with other mods that Add more Perks/opportunities for more Ascension points, like Transcendant Ascendance, Megastructures, and Utopia Expanded, which I also use.

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15K minerals and 2700 days per section ain't too bad of an Ascension perk

>>173910425
Does it feel balanced?

>>173909702
Shouldn't the cybernetics tradition be locked to the perk?

It seems really daft. A spiritual nation, that never bothers with robotics, will eventually take that tradition.
But then I suppose it's no dumber than fanatical purifiers having the diplomacy tradition.

>>173910493
I've not even gotten close to unlock all of them, but the AI can use them too, so I'd say they're relatively balanced if they're good enough at producing Unity.

I'd suggest that you install it and go over all of the bonuses that Each Tradition gives.

>>173910641
Seems the Author is gonna think about doing something like that but not right now. I'd suggest them to do so in the comment section.

>>173910493
I had looked over the traditions earlier, the bonuses look similar to those of other traditions.

>>173910390
Clustered just means that you'll see like four groups of three spread around, rather than a relatively random distance between every nation.

>>173910098
Kinda depends on how you want to play them and more details about their backstory.
You made them xenophile and they've obviously changed into mechanists. Have they turned over a new leaf, or do they plan the same foreign policy of infiltration, manipulation and betrayal.
Has much time passed between their fall and now? Specifically, are others aware of them?
Is their name supposed to be a presentation for foreign inspection, or a name to motivate a broken people?

I feel just plain League the most, maybe confederacy or coalition or something?

I can't really input my thought process into something somebody else is creating, only direct your efforts.

When should I change my corvettes from interceptor with 3 small guns to torpedo boats? When I unlock energy torpedoes?

migration controls on or off?

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Hello, Horatio here.
Why are you not Horatio yet?

Is a difference of 200 power between fleets enough to completely destroy the other one? Just got my shit wrecked when I tried to defend against a 2300 fleet with a 2100 one, the corvettes died pretty much immediately. First time trying to war in this game after getting over the initial hump.

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Should I?

>>173911206
Depends on the fleet composition.

Endless Space worth buying for $1?

>>173911206
Sub 1000, generally yes. Above 1000, it depends more on how they're equipped and the fleet compositions. At 2000 a 200 point difference is effectively meaningless and it all hinges on how both sides are equipped, leader levels and bonuses, as well as empire ethics and civics.

>>173911337
>alien pets resource

conquer the planet, build a zoo, kill all the humans but one and make it work the zoo

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>>173911189
Because I'm a rotting near-corpse

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>>173911189
Gonna be the first race I play when the game releases. The intro movie is just too fucking good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exRFQXX3oeg

>>173911337
Nurture them to be your best spacebuddies? Yes.

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>>173911189

There are posters on this board RIGHT NOW that aren't Horatio.

smdh famalam

>>173911357
Yes.
It's an old game and hasn't held up well in gameplay but it's easily worth a dollarydoo.

>>173911206

The composition is everything, it's possible to destroy fleets twice as strong as yours. Might be a ship design problem as well.

>>173911338
>>173911549
He had mostly destroyers while I mostly had corvettes. My weapons were a tier higher than his, but he had better shields and a better admiral

>>173910395
Wide is infinitely better if you can manage it without tripping up.

The difference between the two is similar to Civ 5, if it were balanced a bit better.
Wide doesn't gimp you as hard and you can go wide through conquest, and tall isn't as strong compared to Civ 5.

The only real concern of going wide is research. Which you can still keep up with, but you do need to actively make sure you do keep up with it.
Sector AI does eventually yield diminishing returns from going wide so most people typically trend towards somewhere in the middle with mostly core systems.

Of which you start with three, which is a little too few.
Easilly beefed up to around 7 before any more are harder to get.
5-7 is about the sweet spot for properly effective tall play.
Depends on how good your colonies are.

>>173911206
At those numbers, no. Depends on composition.
Weapon range, engagement location and a few other things affect the outcome. Certain factors can be skewed to have a far larger effect than their effect on fleet score would matter.

>>173911143
Off if you can, it's really annoying otherwise.
(you only can't if your egalitarian and/or have factions that find it annoying).

>>173911631
What type of weapons were each fleet using?

If I attack a fallen empire and kill them off, will it piss off other FE's?

Is the Abandon wargoal as bad as the Cleanse wargoal?

Why don't I see it available on my wargoal list?

>>173911702
We were both using only kinetic

>>173911895
Yes, very much so. You just demonstrated you can stand up to and defeat fallen empires which is something they don't like the sound of.

>>173911093
I was thinking that they hadn't really changed, morally speaking. They perhaps feel even more superior after having exterminated their old masters, and see their destiny as "hegemons of the galaxy". Also of note is that I changed their backstory before I posted them to this board. Must've forgotten to change their ethics too.
Will go back to that, then. I should probably change their ethics from xenophile to authoritarian, and their authority to oligarchic. Does that sound like a good fit?

>>173911337

Last time I ran into earth they nuked themselves into oblivion. I was looking forward to welcoming my earthling buddies into the galactic community but they sperged out and ruined my plans.

Primary directive fucking shits.

>>173912098

Alright. There are 2 FE's currently on my map that aren't discovered/met yet; do you know if they will also be pissed off at me, even though we haven't met?

My target is a mili isolationist and one of the undiscovered is a science one, who are pretty close to me.

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Question
If the Unbidden have already come from AI being cunts, does that mean I can get jump drives too without any issues?

>>173911702
Thank you m8

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>15 empires feels too small
>30 empires slows to a chug after 100 years

It's 2250 and I've researched sentient AI. I have several worlds that are purely robots.

Should I prepare my anus?

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Thanks fellas.

>>173912269
Yes. You can't make it worse. You can also research AI because they won't spawn now that Unbidden are there.

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does this fit with IngSoc from 1984?

>>173912406
That's why I exterminate everyone I meet desu

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>>173912412
Nigga just give them rights.

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>>173912438
Not bad I guess, a drop in the ocean considering how my fleets are right now but better than nothing. Hope they give me some more later cause these honestly weren't worth the scientist I gave the clowns.

>>173912453
Make it an oligarchy with that shadow council civic. Keep spiritualist for the ethics attraction I guess, though it doesn't really fit with the book.

is there no subject interface to view vassal output and stuff?

>>173911448
Riftborn's music is better
https://youtu.be/h8H8DedCW_I
Also I just looked at the steam page and apparently the game is releasing on May 19th, which is really damn close. I hope sega isn't pushing them to rush it

>>173912637
>image
>when you take your late game fleet out of port

Where does a pirate can find stellaris mods that is not steam? I don't want to give paracocks my monies

>>173913171
Go to the last thread and use Ctrl+F.

>>173912834
Nah.
Each update has been roughly 2 months apart. The current game is pretty close to done, it just needs some balancing and AI work. AI can't play vodyani for shit and the original empires are kind of weak compared to Horatio and Riftborn. I just hope they get the balancing right on the space drakken out of the gate.

>>173912035
Destroyers have bonuses to tracking which counters(not hard, but soft) corvettes, that with bigger weapons make them a little better late game. They also have longer range than corvettes so if you didn't jump right on top of them(or vice versa) they would get a little extra value out of that. There is also the matter of tank and focus fire, you lose more effective firepower before one of their ships goes down, so they snowball in value more than you.
Do you each have combat computers? That module is criminally underrepresented in fleet score calculations and a massive adjustment.
You also said they have a better admiral, which can matter quite a bit, if they're really polarized.

>>173912150
Alright, I'd go for uplifting and arrogant vocabulary then. Just X resurgence, X Ascendancy, or Directive of X or something(though that might work well with the thematic switch to robots) Regarding that switch, how are you playing it? Going full synth that just inherits the behavior of their progenitors? Or genemodding themselves into fertility again? Directive works quite well with the former I feel.

As for ethics I'm not sure. Their deceitful nature is hard to convey through the system. Definately nothing fanatical would make sense, and Oligarchic works(though any form can work really, given RP)
Authoritarian works as well as anything I suppose, just a situation where the system's flaws shine through.

>>173912269
If you are playing unmodded once a crisis has hit there is NOTHING you can do to make it worse. It's kinda lackluster actually. No interdenominational fighting Tyranids, or AI launching a coup in the middle of Galactic chaos.
Except a certain deal in the Shroud.

What ships can I use X class modules on?

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>>173910390
I'm playing 9 empires / 400 stars and this is what I've discovered so far

>>173913346
Unfallen are space drakken? Are their mechanics written anywhere?

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>No Civ Soundtrack mod for Stellaris.
>Can't listen to Baba Yetu or Civ VI Atomic themes while I conquer the galaxy.
W H E N

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what tradition would a 1984 style gonverment choose?

>>173913401
Battleships can have a spinal mount.

If you don't know, you can design ships with different segments, like a hanger battleship or an artillery battleship, etc.

>>173913543
Oh, I guess it must be unlock only then. I'm going for mega cannons and I can't pick x slot thing yet.

When I first started I couldn't make torpedo corvettes until I unlocked torpedos so I guess its the same

>>173913304

http://stellaris.smods.ru/

>>173913508
Doesn't matter, you end up with all of them anyway

>>173911189
Goddamn that is one beautiful Horatio.

>>173913508
Domination for sure. That's what O'Brien masturbates himself about : dominating human race, and thus everything in the universes since there's nothing outside of mankind.

>>173913508
harmony and domination

>>173913456
why would you do that? the ambient and minimal tracks with a dash of orchestral fit the theme perfectly

>>173913610
You are correct.

>>173913651
Harmony and prosperity maybe?
Manipulating their population to remove all dissent and inefficiency?

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>>173911337
>Sol III
>Alien Pet Resource
Do it.

>>173913651
that's pretty fucking stupid

fucking civ 5 did the social policies as exclusive choices even

>>173913508
Can't dominate anyone until you have a decent economy.

How do I go between arms on spiral galaxy? I know there is a hyperlane there it just says I can't do it in my ships. I've watched other races use that route.

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>>173913868
you pick a galaxy that isn't shit

>>173913801
They're not very thematic bonuses, just little extra increases.

>>173913797
That doujin is really good UNTIL the ending.
Mindbreak is garbo.

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>Awakened Empire declares war on me because of my love for genocide
>he split his fleets
>pure range doom stack flattens them one by one
>get 3 (THREE) ringworlds for no effort
spicie meatbal

>>173911989
Bump, please.

Don't I remember seeing an Abandon Worlds wargoal that carried a lesser penalty?

I want to clear their planets for my synths.

>>173913868

Get better FTL tech.

>>173913868
>hyperlanes on spiral galaxy
Are you a masochist? If you can't cross then it's probably because something is blocking the route at one or both ends of the lane. For Warp, I'm not sure they can cross the arms until they have their range upgraded. Wormholes can if you can manage to get a generator positioned just right so you can jump the gap.

>>173913350
This is starting to make a bit of sense. Thanks for the help, I'll keep this stuff in mind so I'm raped a bit less next time.

>>173914069
Warp cannot cross the arms until t2

>>173913451
This is supposedly the winning gameplay design submission
https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/contest/105-major-faction-creation-contest-game-design/proposition/19885-the-unfallen-sentient-trees

Don't know how much they're gonna change it in practice.

>>173913969
Spiral galaxy is best galaxy you troglodyte

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How is it?

Why in this new patch (1.5) I'm always the attacker in every war?

>>173913350
Thanks. I really appreciate your advice.
As for the switch to robots, I could easily see them doing either one. I'm leaning a bit towards gene-modding, as they'd want to be able to engender sympathy/empathy from the more... biological factions. Then again, full-on synthetic ascendancy might be their endgoal once they have consolidated their power. I'm not entirely sure. Might just have to play to find out which one feels more natural :)

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Which ones? I suppose the faster ones on corvettes and the slower on cruisers? Also batteries worth it?

>>173914258

What the fuck does it even say?

Where's the consistency? Agrarian idyll on a non-agrarian, yet thrifty species? Deviant yet 'moral' democracy? Deviant AND spiritualist?

>>173914295
paradrones don't like things they aren't in control of so the AI must be made a completely passive turtler

>>173914295
I mean, I just got attacked by a fallen empire because of a colony and I am the attacker. I won't get my increased firing rate bonuses :(

>>173914258
human/garbage

>>173914219
then why are there massive voids between the arms?

>3 years to upgrade my fleet

what a mistake

>>173914305
Fair enough, thought it might be synthetic and you would roleplay to the extent of disallowing reproduction(or modding out the happiness malus for doing so) and only building robots. Which is something I have to try one day.
Best of luck either way, posts screens as you go.

>>173914307
Autocannons are the best weapon until you are fighting super late game stuff(unless unbidden where autocannons are still king) where plasma takes over.

Ship roles are weird. Real world cruisers being faster, less armed and armored battleships is not present. Cruisers in Stellaris are brawlers. Battleships are more tanky but their AI is to ping away at long range. Cruiser AI is to dive in ASAP. They usually take the most fire of any ship type.
Afterburners are relatively worthless unfortunately.

Cruisers are generally pure DPS platforms.
Full suite of medium slots is the general idea, that or torpedo boat.

What are you referring to with batteries?

>>173914819
Because real galaxies have a few more than 1000 stars to begin with and to create some sort of natural shape to expansion and interaction with others I'd imagine.

>>173914385
Yeah, I recently got back to Stellaris with Utopia so I don't know how much has changed, but unless you're being a retard and not building any ships at all the AI basically never attacks you and you can completely ignore the rest of the universe, even with aggressiveness set high. Only exceptions were awakening FEs and crises.

I got most defensive wars when trying out Fanatic Purifier. Everyone you meet gets permanent -1000 opinion. First four neighbors all declared war on me before I did on them, even when they only had marginally higher fleet power.