/svg/ - Shadowverse General

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Which prebuilt deck is the best value?

>>173874489
Which cards do you need?
I think elf has the best value since all their Legos are good

how do i play sword now... this game is ruined for me :'(

>>173874489
If you're new, pick dragoncraft, it's the best one right now, pretty op desu

>>173885295
Just meme with Pepe

>>173885295
Midrange is as good as it's ever been.

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We back?

>>173896185
>previously top of tier 1 deck
>currently has horrible matchup with tier 0 deck
>equally good
hmm

>>173873000
That's is really big boobs.

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When did you first realize that 90% of all people in this general are morons that can't do anything other than netdeck and look at shitty useless statistics to form their "opinion" about what is viable and what isn't?

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Goodbye, /svg/.

Boobs are the best

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http://seesaawiki.jp/mnga_bahamut/d/%8e%c0%8e%de%8e%b0%8e%b8%8e%c4%8e%de%8e%d0%8e%c8%8e%b2%8e%c0%8e%b0%8e%a5%8e%b1%8e%bb%8e%de%8e%be%8e%de%8e%d9%20%28%8e%da%8e%bc%8e%de%8e%aa%8e%dd%8e%c4%8e%de%29


What did he mean by this?

>>173896595
>i'm a retard who forms opinions based on what i want to be true instead of objective facts

>>173896608
Was it something I said? If so you should thank me.

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I have 3900 Vials, 3 Belphegors, 3 Vanias and no meta deck.

Should I just kill myself?

>>173874489
Forest has the best value, since both legendaries are played and a lot of the golds as well, but Shadow is probably currently the best because it has two Tier 1 decks.

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Boobs.

>>173896382
I don't think I've beat a Shadow deck all day, every game is just perfect 1-2-catacomb shit

>>173896678
But the statistics are useless.
For example wolfbolt only shows up if that card even saw play.

What's the point?

>>173896694
aggroblood is good again and you don't need memedealers

>>173894669
>dshitters still play it since they can't use decks that require thinking about interaction.
joke's on you, loser, most of us just switched to the ramp class
have fun trying to interact with dragon oracle

>>173896694
>3 Belphegors
>Should I just kill myself?
Yes, build kys Blood.

>>173896542
For you

>>173896691
No but thank you anyway. Now I don't have to waste my time with this piece of shit.

>>173896656
I like the last 2 a lot more than the one we got in the anime and SV. We already have the bishonen white haired fallen angel in Luci, we don't need another with an identical haircut. At least give him long hair or something.

>>173896771
There's no potential biasing when you're looking at full classes. Shadow as a whole is just retardedly broken.

>>173874489
THey all have the same dust value (like 10.5k vials or some shit). For current meta, Shadow is the absolute best value since it gets you cerb and many of the aggro and midrange shadow cards.

Blood has a lot of high value targets and was amazing in last meta to buy, but blood is lacking in this one, so cant make use of half hte cards given to you thanks to well balanced design decisions like aegis and everything dragon. queen is best waifu though, so you should buy it for her and her emblme and card back.

elf is probably the second best deck to buy now as everything is still used. youll only need few end game things for the wolfbolt decks. youll get ancient elf and roaches and other needed cards if you want to play elf.

sword has everything but albert for midsword if you want to play that and didnt get anything. gives control sword backend cards as well if you want to try that sometime. youll need 10k more vials just for albert crafting if you want to do anything sword related though.

so cerb and shadow deck is best choice. can play aggro for now or craft couple hectors and have the midrange deck. very high value for a top tier deck out of hte gate.

>tfw ginger steals my legendary luck for the week
piece of shit rune

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>turn fucking seven d-shift wombo combo
This deck gets me hard every other match.

https://my.mixtape.moe/ixyder.webm

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HEY GUYS LET'S GIVE A CLASS 12 (TWELVE) RAMP CARDS WITH GOOD SECONDARY EFFECTS

>>173896694
Reroll.

>>173896678
>The brexit referendum isn't going to pass, just think about the facts
>it's an OBJECTIVE FACT that Hillary is going to win! Look at the poll numbers!
i thought 2016 would have taught you niggers that statistics don't real, but i guess fanatics never learn

>test of strength!
>aegis!
>themis decree!
lol well played xdxd

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>>173896927
>guys let's give a class with ramp mechanic 6 gorillion heals and board clears

>>173896927
>ramp
>with most board wipes in game
>with most heal in game
>with best wards in game
>and strongest late game
>and best single target removals

Really activates the almonds. Dragon was played in many japanese tournaments and they loved the deck in rob. It was never bad either - just shitters driving winrates down trying to do discard or half assed 30k vial versions making it look bad. It wasnt top tier by any means, but it was like 1 or 2 cards away from being super storng. So they gave them fucking 8 super strong new cards. BRILLIANT.

>>173896595
Fake winrates! Sad!

>>173896927
Sibyl is the only thing holding the deck together. She's too good in the mid game, she needs stats hit. But, legendaries never get looked at after release in these games, because they're Jewish to give a refund on the most expensive rarity. At best we can hope to get Zell neutered so Dragon can actually lose against Aegis and D.Shift.

If Cygames did Blizzard balancing they'd nerf Dragon Oracle to 3 mana

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>>173897189
>>173896927
>>173897169
>crying about a deck with 51% win rate

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>>173896608
Who hurt you anon?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12678037

http://www.strawpoll.me/12678043

>>173897545
>>173896595

>>173897659
>my butthurt means more than actual statistics
???

>>173874489
Elf isn't as good as it was since Tia seems to have been replaced by Warden, but you still get AE, Roach, and a Liza. Cynthia right be relevant again one day.

Sword isn't great anyone since the legends are both out of meta. If csword every becomes a thing again though it's still good.

Rune is terrible, dshit builds aren't even running Merlin anymore leaving you with a couple decent golds.

Dragon is pretty bad. You get a Forte, but the rest are vials beyond some of the lower rarity stuff. I guess you could make a Face deck with it.

Shadow is still god-tier. Nearly everything is good or at least usable until you get ToG replacements.

Blood is for cblood, which is dead at the moment. The cards are all good if that deck makes a comeback though.

Haven one gets slagged a lot, but it's about the same value as Dragon since it gives you the core of a Storm deck. Animated Jeanne is unfortunately useless since you can't even vial her.

>last 6 dragons I've fought had turn 2 oracle
>my last 7 dragon games had no oracle until turn 7 at least

Should should I just always be mulliganing in the hopes of getting oracle or what?

>>173897856
You can, but you won't get it until the forced 50/50 match up algorithm determines it's your turn to be allowed to win. I literally throw my entire hand every game to get it, and I'm lucky if I get it maybe once every 4 games by turn 3.

>>173897856
Of course. Aiela is the only other card you might want to keep in your starting hand.

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>tfw trying to kill this god fucking piece of shit ugly-ass priest hag for the last 2 days to no avail

How in the name of everything fuck is any Aggro Blood list supposed to get past this piece of shit Elite deck?

>>173896737
This meta is at the point where my mouse hovers over the concede button on Shadow turn 3 when they're going first. It's just not winnable if they curve with catacomb.

How to win with dragon
>go first
>oracle
>rahab
>fervor
>sybil
>saha baha zell face
>forte/genesis evo face for lethal
Repeat until rank 1 master

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>>173897817
>reddit spacing

>>173897783
It's not like the bandwagoners who doesn't know shit about the game but netdeck are the reason for the current winrate or anything.

>>173898079
Sorry, I'll just make it a solid wall of text instead of improving readability next time.

>>173897984
Just play a craft that isn't complete shit.

>>173898030
The same can be said about Shadow except that the latter doesn't brick

>>173897984
Get fuck bloodfaggot

>>173898023
Fucking this. So tired of that bullshit because you can't ever stabilize against them either because shadows stop being actual resources around turn 6 and they can just endlessly spam DB and Soulsquashers.

>>173898226
Don't bother replying to the autist.

>>173898302
>Blood
>complete shit
You're just bad.

>>173897984
How the fuck are you losing to that with aggro? There's no healing, just run the old bat aggro deck and burn it out once the wards go up.

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>>173898226
My bad, I saw this post and instantly replied to it without reading. Your advice was solid too.

>>173898515
Go away redditor.

>>173898552
Don't be fooled retard. Instead of sorry hunt his boypussy.

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Reminder to uninstall this game because it will only get worse every expansion. Fucking hell I don't even see /ourguy/ poster anymore so he must've quit too.

>>173896981

>Shitty polls == statistics

>>173898520
Maybe call others bad after you beat the AI.

>>173898668
I only play the game strictly for dailies at this point.

>>173898704
>implying I'm that ass-mongoloid
I'm aware that Blood isn't the hottest shit, I might be retarded but I'm not that much of a fuckface.

>>173898812
Pretty sure most people do. I sure as shit wouldn't want to be someone climbing in this meta where half of the ladder is either Shadow or Dragon and even if you're playing either the mirrors come down to a coinflip.

>>173898696
>self-reported political preferences
>self-reported winrates
it's the same thing nigger
if you're comparing this shit to real statistics, no shit those are still valid, but real statisticians are the ones who keep trying to beat it into your stupid heads that the data this community works with are compromised almost to the point of being useless

>>173898704
kys Blood is a solid T2, what does that have to do with the AI?

Reminder to rope shadowcraft.

>>173897817
>Meta is so fast now even stat boosting spell immune's does nothing these days
Just cuck my shit up

>>173896595
>There are people whp run both Lou and Merlin
Fucking netdeckers.

>>173898668
Things were looking okay at the end of ToG, they just needed to fix the Dragon vs Shadow matchup, nerf Albert a tad, add some new builds for everyone, and give proper support to failed builds (ie Eidolon, vengeance, dirt, disco, etc.). Instead they decided Dragon and Shadow would be the new Daria and Roach, and will be 2/3s of the ladder until Cygames slaps them on the wrist in two months.

Then the cycle will repeat with two new classes, probably Rune again seeing they're gutter tier this meta.

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Am I imagining things or is Forest by far the worst Craft to try and do anything with without building a full, competitively viable deck?

I've been playing through the story missions and got through all of them without much trouble but can't do jackshit against chapter 9 of the Forestcraft campaign.

>>173896595
When they told me to dust good cards and days later they'd be meta

>>173896595
Rune is the one craft that I never really played, but I just might dust some shit and make Rune decks because of the perfection that is Lou.

>>173899090
The statistics might be flawed but it's the best we've got. Certainly a better alternative to the anecdotal evidence of every fuck head on the internet.

>>173899359

Forest was one of the most expensive deck back in the days. And they got jack shit for 2 consecutive expansions.

>>173896927
Everyone is getting strong secondary effects. Get over yourself

>>173899203
Are you genuinely autistic?

>>173899360
>too dumb to form own opinions
>get fucked over by blindly listening to others
You only have yourself to blame.

>>173897984
Just burn or ramp him bro. He can't take it.

>>173899512
>I'll just strawman
You must have been the captain of your debate team.

>>173899520
>Implying I listened to retards
You're as dumb as they are

>>173896595
I just decide what i think is op or not. So far i'd say dragon, shadow and forest have the best decks. I expect complaint about forest to flood this board at one point.

>>173899670
>hurr what does calling you bad have to do with the AI
How many helpers do you need to go to the bathroom, son?

Which legendary do you regret crafting the most?

>>173899964
Ourobouros

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Send help

>>173900025
Left, easy

>>173899851
I called you bad because you said Blood is complete shit. What's hard to follow here?

>>173899964
Cerberus. I should have bought a 3rd precon. Now I'm stuck with 2 animated and 1 non animated

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>>173898668
>there's only one /ourguy/ poster
>a poster being gone for a day or two means they quit
>metagames are ever perfect

>>173900025
minthe is strong in t2 because of that zombie troll guy that grows every turn. basically makes a free evo if you drop her into him. theres also a lot more random necromancy using cards you can combo her with in that format. minthe also just solid on curve that they will have to kill. can combo with lolisquasher if you get her as a choice in later picks.

>>173900085
That you're not seeing the irony in calling someone bad when you can't beat the AI.

>>173899964
Elf Queen, since I pulled one the next day and I'm out 2500 vials now. Tia's also starting too look like she won't be needed again.

>>173900161
>Not being happy knowing that out of 40 cards, your winged kuriboh has topdecked to save the day
Playsets are overrated

>>173900349
How well has jungle warden replaced tia's 6/6 evo?

Shadows killed this game. If it is only dragon it would have been fine like the Daria times.

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>>173899472
>6 legendaries at absolute most
>expensive

>>173896595
How are you supposed to discuss class balance if some people deem objective numbers as untrue?

>>173900025
Left. That nep is just going to brick every game.

>>173899964
A third Tia in RoB, a second Ouro because I pulled a third the next day, 2 Vampire Queens expecting CBlood to be good.

>>173900674

>back in the days

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>>173900657
Show them a real board halocaust

>>173900674
In a time where Seraph was just 3legos 3golds, banner was 3golds tempo forest was 6legos 9golds+

>>173900773
"Back in the day" legendaries were just as easy to pull and craft.

>>173900870

You don't know what you are talking about and you can quit posting.

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WHY CAN'T I WIN WITH THIS DECK!!!

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>>173899964
Three (3) copies of Pascale. I knew better, but I did it anyway for the memes. Only got to have fun on the first day.

>>173900674
Back when every other craft had 1 useful legendary. And it needed more golds than anyone else too. Brainlet frogposter.

>>173900929
>running mummies with eachtar and breath
holy fuck, shadow really does attract the dumbest players.

>>173900926
Nice argument.

>>173900674
>tfw we're already reaching 15+ lego meta

>>173900929
kys dumb bandwagoner

>>173900929
Needs more Thane.

>>173901024

Someone else already explained it to you. If you still don't understand you should quit being a human.

>>173900975
Why comment if you're just going to say dumb shit?

>>173900929

>Playing shadows

Kys

>>173901184
A dumb post begets dumb answers. Idiot.

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Stop me from crafting 3 Ledgers and Grimnirs

>>173901326
>Grimnir
You should have already made 3, he's run in everything and you'll get refunded if he gets nerfed.

>Ledger
It's a bad meme. If you have 1-2 you can give it a go, but don't craft all 3.

>>173898668
>/ourguy/

[spoiler[Knowing tramps he's probably dicking around in Street Fighter. Surprised he even got into a game like Shadowverse, he never played CCG's before really.[/spoiler]

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Hows my meme

>>173901546
Nice spoilers.

>>173900929
>lyrial
FUCKING WHY

>>173901326
Dont let your memes be dreams.
If you had posted a suicide blood list 2 weeks ago, everybody here in /svg/ would have called it unplayable garbage that dies to zell baha.

>>173901546

Wow I'm shit at spoilers

>>173901557
You can also run that Bard dude so you can keep your board, and occasionally make bad Dragon players concede.

>>173901283
Your mom begets my dick.

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>open daily pack
>get this
WHY COULDN'T IT BE SOMETHING USEFUL

>>173901868
At least you don't keep opening dupes that you gave up and crafted days ago.

Anybody got advice on what to mulligan when playing KYS blood?

>>173902035
Dependant on your deck, some people don't know how to kys

>>173902268
Oh I meant when playing as KYS, not against.

>>173902409
Still dependant on your deck my man
Or are you using a cookie cutter deck?

>>173902409
Curve followers, keep either 4PP vengeance enabler. 2 and 3 drops are more important than a 1 drop, since you win via massive burst damage turn 5-6.

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>>173902514
>/svg/
>building their own decks

where do you think you are?

>>173902035
Hard mull for Belphegor.

>>173901868
Animated Jeanne : 2500 vials, you are pretty lucky.
Execution are very good now versus swords or dragon.

Today, I only got 3 useless silver.

>>173902670
>7 loss streak, 6 against shadow, 1 against dragon
I feel like every decision I made for the past hour was wrong, every play was punished, and they had every answer

goodnight /svg/

Is Candelabra Haven the answer to skeletons

>>173902804
I ran into a candelavra deck with all the 1 cost amulets
Was a pain in the assssss

LMAO 3 FUCKING SYBILS INTO 3 BAHAMUTS

FUCK CYSHITS

>>173902804
Waiting for the nerfs is the answer to skeletons.

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I love my adorable wife Unica!

>if this shadow topdecks mummy I lose
>didn't topdeck mummy
>phew!
>topdecks Andras instead

People use andras?

>>173902804
No, because dropping a 3PP do nothing amulet vs aggro is practically a concede. Also you actually have to draw the right amulets at the right time, or you have to telegraph your plays. The only times I won with it were when I double Aria'd and they couldn't deal wit it, in which case I might as well just play Storm with some rituals teched in.

>>173902804
It's not enough
That's the main issue with midshadow.

Even if you tech to answer the skeleton horde, once you hold them back to turn 6 they enter turboflood mode

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concede please
thanks in advanced

20498

>>173903662
thanks Ukraine

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Stop giving me sneks cygames

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Threads are slowly dying, I start playing less and less, is SV dying?

>>173904240
meta is kinda boring right now and hearthstones meta you can get away with fun decks right now

>>173904240
You see less posters and less HS shitposting. Take a wild guess what happened.

>>173904240

Shadows killed it. If you remove Shadows you'll see that Dragon has the highest winrate, but it is nothing out of normal if you compare to Daria's meta. Shadow's 70% winrate when starting first is in no way acceptable.

>>173904240
Cygames fucked up with Tog major
Dragontards and Shadowbabs might enjoy it at the moment, but in the end they too will suffer the consequences of this

>>173904335
>>173904412
>cygames somehow made their game even shittier than rngstone because they refuse to balance it
amazing

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>>173904790
>Dragontards and Shadowbabs might enjoy it at the moment
I do not enjoy this game at all
t. Shadow only bab

>>173899837
>I just decide what i think is op or not. So far i'd say dragon, shadow and forest have the best decks
Gosh, it's almost like that's what the winrate stats have been saying this entire time because they reflect reality
Real strong point in favor of ignoring the shittt useless statistics and forming your own opinions
So glad I waited until grinding enough ladder to conclude on my own "forest is still mad strong" instead of going to syadoreco on day 3 and receiving the same information

>>173905056
>t. Shadow only bab

Kys

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How far you guys get into the monthly score rewards?

I barely make it into the 20k. It just feels like it would take forever to get the 100k.

>>173905369
I'm at 42k right now.

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>>173905369
6k because this xpac is fucking shite. Too bad, I kind of want those soulsquashers.

>>173905369
In Rob I once made it to 80k when I was grinding for masters.
Now I can't be bothered to earn more than 12k, the game is a chore and not fun at all.
Only lifeless NEETs who do nothing but play the game all day can achieve 100k

need 1 win for the mission pls
help me and beast dominator will love you 4ever
87718

>>173905369
i got 30k the last two months, i started getting more once i reached master since i could play ranked without caring

>>173904214
Please start giving me sneks Cygames

The only fucking legendary I have yet to get from that set and apart from Belphegor the only one I even give a shit about.

>only one heavenly aegis may be on the field at a time
>Aegis cannot attack if there are at least 2 followers
>Aegis can only be destroyed by your cards

THIS LITERALLY BALANCES AEGIS
WHY IS IT JUST A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD FOR HAVEN

>>173905746
Not all of them I mean, but at least one of these added effects.

>>173905551
ty forest dude
beast dominator will remember

>>173905369
35k in atm. Played around a lot with dragon in the first week but not really enjoying the free wins anymore so I'm just trying out Blood and Sword memes in unranked.

>>173905746
When will controlcucks learn cygames doesn't want you here?

>>173905746
Aegis is literally only playable because of Test of Strength forcing followers to attack other followers rather than forcing them to be attacked.

>>173905906
I would rather play against traditional control decks than aegis as a midrange player.
At least they can be countered unlike Aegis, which is autolose if you cannot kill them by turn 9.
Haven always does its job best, which is killing the possibility of true midrange decks existing.
And don't give me a shit about muh "midrange shadow" that shit is only as midrange as "midrange sword"

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>>173905746
>Nerfing this underpowered deck will balance it

I SWEAR TO GOD

If Shadow becomes absolute dumpster next expansion, I won't have any pity for that craft at all. I now at least feel bad for rune but I won't feel the same for shadow. They deserved to be banished forever.

>>173906263
Only the win ratios are important!
Forcing people to abandon the game is a GOOD thing

>>173906170
>And don't give me a shit about muh "midrange shadow" that shit is only as midrange as "midrange sword"
What the fuck are you talking about you motherfucker
Midrange shadow might be cancer but it actually plays like proper midrange, people made fun of RoB midrange sword because that deck blurred the lines between midrange and aggro so fucking much by being overloaded with storm effects.
Stop talking about shit you have no idea about

>>173901326
Grimnir is too good to not craft.Ledger's shit. Other decks do what you're trying to do better and fail. What success you do have will stem solely from dragons reducing lightning blast because they don't need it anymore and nobody running seraph in any amount that matters

>>173904240
Nah. It's thursday. I guarantee that tommorow the threads will explode like usual. Mostly with shitposts though.

>>173906503
Are you one of those retards that thought cygames needed to nerf dshift?

>>173901868
Unpopular opinion, but I like jeanne as additional board nuke and fattening up my thicc amulet pops. Especially now that she frees the mammoths for a more intense turn. When rune gets buffes to insanity next expansion, you'll see a spike in wide target immune lists that benefit from being able to essentially turn your board remnants into a 2:1 value pinata

>>173906493
I don't feel bad for Rune.

Shadow is definitely too good, but at the very least it's interactive. D-shift is just retarded, and Daria flooding the board and burning you to death on turn 4/5 is beyond stupid as well.

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am i the only one who thinks this card is too strong
heal + ramp + a body on board

Things to do next patch:
>Banish shadows
>Dumpster Grimnir

>>173906508
>literally only 6-9 cards different
>totally midrange g-guys
They both play the same as well, the only way you can tell a "midrange" shadow apart from an aggro shadow is if you last long enough to see the difference, most of the time it plays like an aggro deck and kills you like an aggro deck.

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Eris is for ____

>>173906663
D-shift has variable counters and rune doesn't have the removal that haven has

>>173902613
>Enjoying my seacraft deck late RoB
>TotG comes, expecting great times thanks to Neirid and shit
>Shadow and the delete-o-caust

>>173902804
No. You can't stop undying/eachtar which is part of why the deck is so strong. As soon as you don't clear that board you're dead.

>>173906846
it's okay because it has 2 conditions :^)

welp that was it, I said if I saw 10 shadow decks in a row I would quit SV and I just saw the eighth one, guess i'll see you guys next expansion

>>173906780

>Daria flooding the board turn 5
>Shadows can flood the board by turn 3

>You still have chance to find your answers against D shift for 9 turns
>While the game is already decided by the mulligan when you faced shadows

I don't think it is more interactive than Rune.

>>173904214
I like snekums. 1-2 still catches a lot of decks and test of strength makes me feel all tingly inside.

>>173904240
It's just returning back to pre-hype levels. It's gonna stabilize around 40 average posters which is fine. Multiple threads and hour was hell.

>>173906859
Overcoming her despair

Is swordcraft the most degenerate brainded class

I want easy wins and have 7k dust

>>173906846
Don't forget, FULL evo stats

If the healing part was an evo only ability I'd be ok with Sibyl
Use evo, heal 3 defense, attack board.

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>>173905906
>cygames doesn't like control
>but gave dragon imba ward, healing, ramp boardclear and late game 13 storm combo all in one expansion

>>173906170
The thing is from a MTG perspective, which is what the devs use, the decks you consider midrange are decks they view as control. They view decks like sword as legitimate midrange because contemporary midrange decks in magic have a very strong face component. (This also applies to tempo rune/forest.) They view decks like haven as legitimate midrange because in the classic definition cards like Wrath of God or Themis are mid-range cards. The decks that haven preys upon, the decks that cygames is trying to crowd out with turn 9 end the game buttons, these are not decks that cygames sees the need to retain in their mobage meta.

If you're not a fedora tipper I'm sorry for calling you a controlcuck but the fact remains that the devs will probably never change the game to suit you more and it's best to move on

>>173906857
Is Thane an aggro card? Is Eachtar an aggro card? Is Death's Brace an aggro card? All of those are kinda crucial for midrange shadow you know. Do you think that big difference in winrate comes from fuckin nowhere or what? Do you think any deck that is able to hit face before turn 6 is automatically aggro? Do you even know midrange means?
Was DE midrange Sword actually an aggro deck? Was tempo Forest secretly an aggro deck too?
Stupid faggot

>>173905369
It's ~80 games a day for 100k

>>173905906
Cygames is fine with control. It's not fine with games dragging for 18/25/30 turns.

>>173907083
The D-shit matchup is decided before the game even begins.

Just because shadow has edged it out of the meta doesn't make it any less cancerous of a rock/paper/scissors deck.

>>173906780
>Shadow
>more interactive than rune
>>when they just go face, ignoring your board
>if you wipe out their board you will just get hit by the turn 6 combo of balanced 11 face damage
>your end has already been predetermined just from their standing hand
Yes, shadow is the pinnacle of interactivity.
At least Dshit actually needed to bother killing your followers

>>173907128
Do you even read the threads? It's shadow.

Has anyone tried this?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/586030/

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>>173907434
>early access

>>173907434
I already played duelyst.

>>173907546
I mean, it's free..

>>173907394
I don't think you know what interactive means.

You can kill shadow's followers at attempt to vie for board control, even if it is a severely uphill battle. You can attack and use spells/amulets. Against D-shit, you can only summon followers and watch them get destroyed by spells while the opponent never summons anything and then auto-wins on turn 8. There's no interactivity there. I'm not saying Shadow is balanced, I'm just saying you get to at least play the game when you go against it, unlike D-shit that plays nothing but draw cards and removal until they get their turn 8 win condition.

>>173907279

I hate D shift too but I don't hate it with a passion.

>>173906857
>>literally only 6-9 cards different
>>totally midrange g-guys
That's because shadow is the most midrange aggro deck. In standard/DE, a lot of the time shadow v sword matchups would play like midrange v aggro respectively, despite sword being the deck in the matchup named "midrange". Aggro Shadow was only ever called that in comparison to the extremely slow mid-range Shadow with Mordecai; the deck only really earned the "aggro" name when reaper came out. Modern midrange shadow sharing >80% of its cards with aggro shadow doesn't make it not midange

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HAHHHAHAHHAHHHAHHHHH

>>173907824
What's so funny about it?

Deepwood isn't even that awful. At the very least it's one of the biggest "if you don't remove this next turn it's over" pressure cards

>Haven heals for 20+ health
>Has all three Themis in hands
>Aegis+all three Test of Strength
About to uninstall this shieheap of a game

>>173907824
get fucked pathetic shadow scum.

>>173907909
>Deepwood isn't even that awful.
ancient forest dragon sure is though

>>173907909

He already lost the game, even without Deepwood the elf would have won. This is how trash Deepwoood is.

>>173906846
it's ok because it inflates the cost of decks :^)

>>173907252
>It's ~80 games a day for 100k

yeah, fuck that

>>173907959
>complaining about aegis when shadow and dragon exist

>>173908258
>ancient forest dragon sure is though
Pretty much the only way to make anomaly work semi reliably
>>173907909
If the memer in question just player regular wolfbolt he would have already won anyway instead of exposing himself to getting his shit fucked up by a DoD or any other hard removal

>>173908432

What if cygames actually do something and nerf dragon + banish shadow? What is the defense for Aegis after that?

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>sword cuck was spamming emotes during his turn thinking he had a win with his albert

stupid slant-eyed gook faggot

>>173908545
Execute the test of strength.
Pressure the hag so she can't drop it
Kill her before she can drop it

>>173907824
Are you laughing because you lost?

It looks like you lost.

>>173908489
b-but it wouldn't be so enjoyable to win for him!

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Why is /vg/ so bad at this game?
Welcome back to the midrange meta motherfuckers.

>>173908569
>MOOOOOOOOM!

>>173908545
>What is the defense for Aegis after that?
It doesn't need any.

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Need a concede pls

12230

>>173904821

You wouldn't like the game if they balanced it, because balancing would involve nerfing pretty much every single card in the game to some extent.

Grimnir? Nerfed. Cerberus? Nerfed. Roach? You better believe it'd be nerfed. Levi? Nerfed. Demonic Strike? Yeah, nerfed. Themis? Lightning Blast? Albert? Ancient Elf? Oh yeah, nerfed to the floor.

It would take a lot to balance this shit. You don't want balanced. You want shit you think is too good, nerfed, whether it actually is or not.

>>173908682
that's why aggro decks need burn

>>173908682
>midrange
>aureole
>sage commander

need concede
28291

>Wow Aggro Shadow is a pretty frustrating deck to play against when it gets a perfect hand, well, how about we give it cards so it can guarantee to win no matter what

t. cygames

>>173908823
>You don't want balanced
yes i do you projecting shadowtard

It's a bit frustrating that I can't play 95% of all decks I want to play due to lack of cards

>>173908682
Nice D games, nerd

>>173908695
Don't mompost me motherfucker i will fuck your mother

>>173908489
>Pretty much the only way to make anomaly work semi reliably
So to recap, ancient forest dragon is bad because it doesn't do anything worth doing
If you want to get anomaly off, throw it as a 40th card into tempo forest as a Hail Mary. If you're spending any more deckslots on it you have space for wolf bolt and should, as other anons have noted, play wolf bolt instead

>>173908682

>Grimnir

FUCKING HELL

I DON'T WANT TO SEE HIS FACE IN THE NEXT EXPANSION

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>Craft two Elf Girl Liza

>Realize nobody even runs damaging board clears anymore

Block Salmander and two damage from Orthus and that's it I guess.

>>173907434
Some designs are good like Sabine but the others are blands and generic, also it looks boring to play.

>>173907824
Get fucking deleted, shadowbab

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>>173907662
D-shift gets completely shafted if you're not dumb enough to play single followers on curve. The only "boardclears" they have access to are a spellboost and a 6-cost that will auto-hit them in the face next turn.
It's a reactive craft so no shit you get your shit removed if you play into their archetype.

>killing shadow followers
All this does is buff their ambusher and feed them shadows for Eachtar and howl. If their draws aren't shit your only hope is setting up a ward and hoping to fucking god they don't have removal or a good Orthrus proc.

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>>173908823
You are presuming too much, I indeed would like it if all of the things you mentioned were nerfed, at least the game would slow down by a degree and wouldn't be such an autistic shitfest

>>173908762
can you concede for me as well?

>>173908823
>balancing would involve nerfing pretty much every single card in the game to some extent.
>Grimnir? Nerfed. Cerberus? Nerfed. Roach? You better believe it'd be nerfed. Levi? Nerfed. Demonic Strike? Yeah, nerfed. Themis? Lightning Blast? Albert? Ancient Elf? Oh yeah, nerfed to the floor.
Music to my ears, anon
I'm not even one of the people complaining about balance and I'd be down for a mass nerf

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>>173909125
>If you're spending any more deckslots on it you have space for wolf bolt and should, as other anons have noted, play wolf bolt instead
Yes that is what I said in the same post goddamn smartass
All I gotta say your lucky I'm on thin ice with the mods cuz I'd be going off on you right now you cocky son of a bitch

>>173909043

Great, now name any card for any faction you think would somehow escape balancing. Chances are, it wouldn't.

Balanced games end up bland as fuck. Thats why you shitters are playing Shadowverse and Magic and Heathstone, and not Netrunner.

>>173908823
the real issue is the games ending with storm finishers from hand more often than not.

>roach
>laura
>zell
>phantom howl
>blade mages
>albert

it shows just how broken of a mechanic storm is when the entire meta is defined by it.

Isn't it weird how good this game is as an f2p player, but how expensive it is if you want to buy something?

I feel like the gap is too big.
It's great as f2p but if you pay - holy shit crystals are expensive

>>173908823

>t. shadowcucks

The meta was fine with winrate controlled around 55% for the best class before ToG. The only class need to be nerfed is shadow and the only card need to be nerf is Grimnir.

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Draw your last pathetic card so I can end this, /svg/

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>>173907434
Shardbound?
More like SHARTBOUND amiright?

>>173909449
guess not, need a concede
54652

>>173909789
Its only 2 dollar a pack bruh.

>>173909195
>Cyclone blade
>Salami breath
>Blazing breath
>90% of Rune
>Revelation
>Lion

>>173909813
Zell needs to be removed from the game.

>>173909575
You're just trying to redefine 'balanced' to mean 'nothing strong in it'. There's absolutely no reason to do that besides your retarded attempt to pretend blatantly broken shit is somehow inevitable and shouldn't be removed from the game.

>>173909686

It's probably because followers are not built to last. They don't heal between turns, and they can be directly attacked. If the game worked more like Magic, where creatures need specific spells/abilities to be targetted, and blocking was optional, creatures might survive long enough to make a difference. As it is now though, almost nothing lasts more than the next turn.

>>173909540
>you cocky son of a bitch
Right back at you, fuckhead, you're the one who replied to my text post, if you didn't have anything new to say you should have shut your goddamn mouth
I didn't say shit about it because if you want to sit around repeating platitudes I'm down with that, but if you want to start shit over a pattern you set up it's no wonder you get in trouble with the mods

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>>173909831
uh oh

new prebuilt sets with bahamut x tempest when?

>>173909890

Once shadow is removed you won't believe how easy it is to deal with dragons.

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Thoughts on how I can improve this deck?
I recently got rid of my two Tempests to put in two Sextons.
What would I drop to add in another Cerberus or Thane? I'm thinking Chimera.
I'm also considering replacing Lyrial with Sergeants or Conjurers.

>>173909856
sorry, didn't see that post >>173909449

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>>173909831

>>173909901

That by definition is "balance" you idiot. Nothing can be strong if everything is balanced. And you fags will bitch if anything is even 0.01% better than anything else. It's all or nothing.

Oh and nerfing Shadow and Dragon won't change shit, something new will spawn from the meta that will be just as bad. Shit, it might already be happening with these new Forest decks.

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>>173909831

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What cards make you go "well memed"?

How does literally every dragon in T2 have Ouroboros? This is fucking ridiculous.

>>173910096
This.
It will never be perfectly balanced. That is simply impossible. People will forever bitch about something.

>>173909575
>Balanced games end up bland as fuck. Thats why you shitters are playing Shadowverse and Magic and Heathstone, and not Netrunner.
You really think "being balanced" was the problem with netrunner's business model? Glad you're not designing any games I care about

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>>173909831
My grandfather's deck has no pathetic cards, Kaiba. But it does contain... the unstoppable Pepe!

>>173909981
A week before the nerfs hit.

>>173910096
Wrong, if everything is strong then things are balanced.
Game is shit right now because 3 crafts are overpowered while 4 are in the gutter.

>>173910209
Just play around it bro haha

>>173909865
Nobody even plays Rune anymore.
And all that's like, one card per class. And not even all the classes. And not even most of the decks in that class. You're not going to see Cyclone Blade in anything other than Frog, you're not going to see Revelation in anything other than a specific subset of Control Blood, etc.

>>173910209
I drew like 3 when the expansion came out.

Seems to be a RNG bug.

>>173910073
thanks!

This is literally the least interactive card game on the market.

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>>173909831
"Hate the sin! Not the sinner!

"I accept you, even your hatred!"

"You need not suffer anymore!"

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>>173910070
Oh and one question about Mimi. Do you guys just throw her on face whenever you have a spare PP? I've been usually saving her for combos but it almost cost me a game just now.

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>>173910216
>stop bitching about my 60% win rate deck, you stupid goy

>>173910096
What is that new forest deck? Can someone post it?

>>173910452
Doesn't that title go to Yu-Gi-Oh?

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>>173910509
Think it's this one

>>173910318
>Game is shit right now because 3 crafts are overpowered
Blood is not THAT strong senpai

>>173910096
>Nothing can be strong if everything is balanced.

Riot's logic. You should try Icefrog's logic instead.

>>173910216

Oy vey

>>173910601
Hmm, what makes it so special?

>>173910452
What is Yu-Gi-Oh?

>phoenix roost still in maintenance
How much longer until dragon can claim it's spot as T0 class and they finally give us roost back

>>173910496
What combos
You are not playing forest you dumbo

>>173910616
Was thinking of Haven
Dragon, Haven and Shadow are 90% of ladder right now

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Why does shadowverse have no (0, ZERO) ways to stop the opponents combo? The only thing I can think of is melvie + double sammy(or 1 if they have a last word with card draw) and hoping he mills his big wincon but that is still only doable vs a couple of crafts since you'd actually be helping the opponent by doing this (blood, forest, rune)
There is no skill involved in SV about outplaying the opponent its all about the topdecking

is anyone using that man eating mangrove + robin hood + a bunch of taunts deck?

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>>173908637
>just use 5PP removal on their 2PP amulet while getting smacked by a invincible 10/10 every turn and win bro
>just pressure the class with the most plentiful removal and draw power bro
>just play around the Temple Defenders, Grimnir and Scriptures and kill them before they Lion Spirit your board bro

>>173910697
I have no idea. It has jungle wardens but other than that I'm not sure. An anon posted it and it was from a japanese twitter saying it had like an 80% win rate or something.
I just like to save decks for later

>>173910496

It depends on what my curve for the following turns looks like. If it's going to be super tight, then I throw it on face, I have no idea out how I'm going to fill out, then I save it.

>>173910808

>No win condition

I don't know? Who would be this retarded?

>>173910791
You're just now figuring this out?
This is a mobile game designed for children and commuting japanese salarymen. It's not exactly the apex of skill and strategy

>>173910791
If they don't add mill in the next expansion I will most likely quit, this is just bad design.

>>173910791
>no way to stop the opponnets combo
Dude
Just
Ward
Up
Bro

All combos, except seraph(which is having a counter) in this game are follower based

>>173910816
Play an aegis deck and then see what it's actually like from the other side. After an hour you'll probably think the card is shit.

>>173909831
I'M COMING FOR I'M COMING FOR I'M COMING FOR I'M COMING FOR I'M COMING FOR YOU

>>173910791
>Why does shadowverse have no (0, ZERO) ways to stop the opponents combo?

Apparently, all the suits are convinced that interaction during the opponents turn is too complex for the average american mind.

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>>173909831

>>173910548
>>173910732
At least they have backrow.

>>173911070

>too complex for the japanese salaryman on a train

ftfy

>>173910969
>All combos, except seraph(which is having a counter) in this game are follower based
You mean there are followers that can: increase card costs for the opponent, remove evolve points, remove PP(even for a turn), deny cards fanfare via discarding or forcing summons onto board?
The only thing that can stop follower "combos" is banish for last words. Nothing else

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>>173911070
>Apparently, all the suits are convinced that interaction during the opponents turn is too complex for the average japanese mind.
Fixed that for you

>>173910412
>drew no Legends
>out of 50 packs

I call bullshit on that. It's all luck, you got lucky.

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>>173910816
You ARE better than a B rank player, right anon?

>>173911164
>too complex for the japanese salaryman on a train
Bitch, Shadowverse was made with western (i.e. american) audiences in mind.

Even Granblue dared to be a bit more complex.

>>173911287
>Bitch, Shadowverse was made with western (i.e. american) audiences in mind.
Do you actually believe this

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>>173909831

>>173911287

I'm sure it was. Remind me, which one is whaling more, the Japanese people, or the American people?

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>>173910883
Why do people keep falling for this shit?
>jap on Twitter says his deck has a 99.99% win rate over 2 billion games
>people pick it up
>turns out to be meh
>drop it until and wait for the next time this happens

>>173911392
Every country in the world belongs to America, you filthy gommie

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Where do people get this idea that Shadowverse main intended audience was Japan?

>everyones playing forest again
>otk azazel is dead
well it was fun for a couple weeks

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>>173909831

>>173910791
What about adding in trap card amulets that automatically activate

>>173911258
>5% margin of error on most stats

Lookit that, Haven is balanced.

>>173910791
Yeah, no shit. This is the most dumbed down CCG out there.

>>173911514
Kill yourself, Yugioh is shit.

>>173911514
Innovative idea. Make it so your opponent can't see what it is until they spring the trap :^)

>>173911647
You jest but that would actually help Shadowverse a lot and make it more tactical

>>173911548
All things considered it is still not as bad as cuckstone, granted we should find something better, but everything I can think of is behind a paywall

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Oh my God stop falling for the Jungle Bunga meme, you assholes are so dumb
Listen to >>173911442 here, you are getting jewed by random Japs.

>>173911514
That would actually be nice.

>>173911635

It's not shit because of trap cards, it's shit because of Konami. They're retarded enough to let 2 (two) complete hand destruction loops that go off consistently enough on turn 1. The 2nd one being a complete hand banish.

>>173911489
>japanese company
>anime titties
>producers have said it's mainly for japanese commuters
>pathetic western presence
I dunno

>>173911442
To be fair it's basically a regular roach deck with some little add ons from the expansion. Even if someone did craft some of the leggos, it would be fine considering that all forest decks use the same staple cards.

>>173911514
I endorse it, trap cards are a fundamentally good idea as long as you don't screw them up

>>173911730
No room for tactics if you draw 1 card per turn and start with 3
It'll never happen and even if they print trap cards, they would need to be unbelievable powerful and versatile or noone will use them

The moment they make a game like Hearthstone or Shadowverse but with all and I mean ALL magic cards, a huge community, modern graphics, f2p with a generous way of earning boosters and such I'm OUT of here


Will never happen though because WotC is beyond jewish and wouldn't do this

>>173911824
t. Dragon

>>173911863
I dropped it when they added the XYZ bullshit, what are those 2 cards?

>>173907434
Not weeb enough for me and I doubt it'll drown me in free shit.