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Facial Hair Edition
previous thread: >>173592710

>READ the pastebins BEFORE asking stupid questions
GENERAL FAQ: http://pastebin.com/wyz3Ye1g
Additional FAQ, SERIOUSLY, READ THIS ONE: http://pastebin.com/GHStmm22

>How to join Warbros No Fun Allowed, if it wasn't full: http://i.imgur.com/RMS2guW.png
>Avoid the line, join the /wfg/ alliance today! PM killsaw of Warbros NFA for inquiries


>Notable links
/wfg/ Discord: https://discord.gg/v6G5rTg
Wiki: http://warframe.wikia.com
Essentials: http://deathsnacks.com/wf/index.html
Focus System: http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Focus
Buying and Selling items: https://warframe.market
News: https://forums.warframe.com/forum/170-news-events/
Raid Setups and individual Builds:
Warframe Raid Schoolbus: Hide your power lvl and follow the rules: https://discord.gg/aUTTyWH
THE LAW OF RETRIBUTION: http://pastebin.com/dMMdZRpY
THE JORDAS VERDICT: http://pastebin.com/NLPSMBed
Damage 2.0: http://i.imgur.com/AFVavTs.jpg
Droptables and Data: https://github.com/VoiDGlitch/WarframeData (MissionDecks=mission rewards)
Another Datamine / Warframe News: https://semlar.com/
DPS calculator and weapon build planner: https://github.com/GottFaust/WWDC/releases/tag/0.8.2 (not maintained)
DPS calculator and build planner No.2: http://warframe-builder.com/ (frames, weapons and companions)
Top guns, read note at the bottom: http://i.imgur.com/2v58uvp.jpg
Frames and Modding: https://pastebin.com/D8Ckdz0c
Tierqueer Filters: https://git.io/vMhaS
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CURRENT UPDATE: Octavia's Anthem 20.10
> https://forums.warframe.com/topic/783215-octavias-anthem-update-2010/
CURRENT PRIME ACCESS: Banshee
> https://forums.warframe.com/topic/767736-banshee-prime-hotfix-19115/

Liestream highlights: http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Livestreams
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/wfg/ OP pastebin, if it's not like this one report it and make a proper one: http://pastebin.com/iAgtMahh
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Kitteh
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>log in
>do sortie
>log out

cya tomorrow
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Why can't we hide weapons in Captura?
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>>173723915
You mean holsters? Do that in the arsenal.
You mean not carrying any? Use the scanner.
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I want to abduct and rape ratels desu
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>>173724213
what the fk...
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>>173723810
Kitler
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I want to fuck ember prime
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I love when I freeze in the middle of akkad and have to close game (:

what the hell
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>>173724427
Should be on the left side for proper kittler
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Nidus grind is torture
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>>173724427
>>173724672
on it's left side
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Post frogbutt
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> less than 20 million plat
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>Grinding spy missions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMEUxOEdiEo
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Is this a good set up for Peacemaker?
I know that it only has 10% status chance but I still feel like I should get some viral on there
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>>173724870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aHQnDTd1y4
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>>173724672
>>173724797
why not both?
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>>173724963
That's absolute garbage
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>research stims for future events
>40,000 polymer bundles
fuck off
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>>173725439
>For one time use items that only give a boost for about 30 seconds
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>>173724870
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>>173725420
>radiation
kys
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>>173725420
Ah I see, I forgot that it was also affected by fire rate mods. Why radiation though? Because it's the most useful of the statuses that you can make with Primed Heated Charge?
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weapon tier list pls
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>>173726380
>Why radiation though?
because he is fucking retarded and just slapped primed mods on it without even thinking

but hey he is beyond help if he had to dump 5 forma on that thing just to boost a frame with a cucked scoped ability to do deac dmg
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>want to do cool captura shots with my new frame
>can't because cyst
for what fucking purpose
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>>173724870
Why do you grind spy missions?
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>>173726568
>>173726325

All this autism is giving me AIDS.

>>173726380
Because I didn't forma a weapon to take Corrosive/Heat and keep the same build. (don't particularly like mesa) If you wanna do better than that though forma in another dash polarity so you can drop vile accel and do that instead.
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Akjagara or Akmagnus?
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>>173726974
Aklex Prime
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>>173727117
akpandero prime when
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Corrosive+Heat, Radiation+Viral, or Viral+Heat?
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>>173727117
Why be an asshole? Is it really so much more effort for you to just answer the fucking question or not say anything?
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>>173724213
Ratto a shit, Jesters are where the real fun is.
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>>173727229
blast
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>Gotten good enough at spy missions I just do spy sorties with Mesa undetected
Feels good man
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>>173727250
yes
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>>173726974
>>173727117
All three.
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>>173726384
there is none

there's an absolutely garbage one floating around, don't believe its lies
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>>173727273
>no mask
>hairy midgets with squeaky obnoxious voices
no thanks

Give me Heavy Gunner [145] instead, please. I want to snuggle her gorgon like a bodypillow.
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>>173727618
>""""""gorgon""""""
heh
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>>173727618
Are you saying you'd make her leave the mask on? Shameful.
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>>173727416
Then fucking kill yourself, because that's the only way to release yourself from the torment of your sad fucking existence feeding off the frustrations of others that would otherwise not exist if not for you being an asshole.

Seriously, end it.
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>>173727902
so fucking mad
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So does Worm eat Grineer?
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>>173727902
wow rude
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>>173727902
Hilarious coming from the fagatron that can't even commit to a single fucking choice in a video game. Maybe we should meet up if you're that crippled with the thought of such an innocuous choice not panning out. People on anonymous image boards aren't going to be there to hold your hand through everything.
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Ogris any good? Just got riven for it
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>>173728190
It's serviceable now but I wouldn't recommend it, the other launchers (even the tonkor) still have it beat in terms of practicality.
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>>173727793
benis
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>>173728190
It has very big numbers and looks like a weird penis.

using it will make you hate your team mates even more than you already do
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>>173726840
Getting Ivara and/or grinding for mods to sell for plat. I grind Lua Spy when I don't have anything better to do, on the off chance I get a mod I can sell for 15-25 plat.

>>173728190
Buffed to have a huge ass blast radius and does a bit more damage. Get the napalm mod and you'll be able to smack up some pretty decent sized areas.

Tonk and Zarr still are better for ease of use and mad fucking damage, but Ogris is still neat once you get over the charge mechanic.
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>>173728136
Try getting your facts straight before typing on a tear soaked keyboard, faggot. I have quite literally every weapon in the game (exception being archwing). I was looking to generate some opinions on the choices provided. They aren't the strongest options, but they are beautiful weapons. Then comes along a potentially legitimately retarded assmongrel who thinks hes clever and says a third option as if this tired fucking joke has been funny literally ever in the past 30 god damn years.

The mental capacity to provide a split second of potential reasoning does not exist within their skull, so they need to end their fucking life before they dilute the gene-pool.

Yes I'm mad, yes the best solution here is still his prompt death.
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>>173727981
Simply a ReSyk program in overdrive, Grineer are plentiful but general produce is not; nevermind being in a sooper seekrit asteroid base that apparently is very easy to track if you've found it at least once before but that's neither here nor there. Throw in a few hundred if not thousands of years worth of isolation and she's probably bored out of her mind and cooking is an easy hobby.
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>>173728721
nigger what the fuck are you doing?
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>>173727618
fuck that, I want to succ on a ballista
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>>173728721
Your first mistake that led you to this haze of butthurt is the simple fact you came here for advice on something so asinine. That you even admit you have all weapons says you have the fuckin' resources to craft both of them so there is literally no logical reason for you to have to ask opinions on which ones should be crafted.

This is a hell of your own making honey, don't go blaming others for your own stupidity.
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>Solo Sorties with Octavia since release

Why is she mediocre again?
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>>173728972
>>173728721
What's going on here
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>>173728721
Oh and the offer still stands anon, let's hook up and get fitted for his and her(male) neck ties, we can make a day of it! It'll be great, c'mon!
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>>173729208
niggerdom faggotry
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>>173729093
because she's a subpar damage frame in a game where Mesa/Equinox/Limbo exist and she's a subpar CC frame in a game where Loki/Nova/Rhino exist.
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>>173729208
Don't question it, just enjoy it.
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>>173729093
>>173729372
fuck off
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>>173728893
>not peeling off a hyekka master's outfit then cum on cat and they hiss at penis
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Tig ol' bitties
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>>173729510
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>>173729560
And a high res one
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>>173728893
I want to hate fuck a scorpion until she runs out of hooks and is properly embarrassed about her tiny machete.
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>>173729510
>One is saying that Octavia is good
>One is saying that Octavia is bad
>Tells them both to fuck off
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>>173729926
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/text/Octavia.%2Amediocre/
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/text/octaviafags/
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/image/LPGO3oXcKnIDXq2OS0VN3Q/

i said it before and ill say it again

fuck off
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Is it shit /wfg/?
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>Fell for the Octavia meme
Feels bad man
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Ivara is best frame.
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>>173730232
Octavia
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>>173730409
Ivara prime next!
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>>173730232
>m-muh samefag boogieman
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>>173730658
Oberon Prime is next faggot
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post your goyest fashion frame
hard mode: no excaligoy
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>>173730849
>Paris prime prime
>magistar prime
No ty
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>>173731006
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>>173730849
>Golden Deer Lord
Hopefully it comes with a rework. Oberon, for all his shittery, is really easy to make look good.
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Octavia Prime next
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>>173731060
I don't see a problem with this.
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>>173731142
>Mandachord Prime
>full chromatic scale
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>nothing but anus sculptures and endo
I'd actually be happy to get a lens or a booster or something, actually need them since low MR shitter
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>>173731806
>complaining about literally free plat

Trade those sculptures for plat then get just the zenurik and naramon lens
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>>173731060
What's wrong with red and black? Black is a good base for any picture, red is a strong color, especially bloody red, crimson, fire red or tender rose red. Or someone thinks, that black-red design is so ultimative, that any other would lose to it?
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How would you rework goatboy? I really want him to get a kit that works well with fairy frame so they become the first "couple" frames
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>>173732207
don't cut yourself on the edge


but its not unironic anymore.

people who color their frames to look like color channel examples unironically is even worse
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Returning player, is it me or did they change the Radial Javelin ability, I don't remember Excalibur having a aoe dmg ability before.
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Isthe regular Hek shit compared to Deluxe Hek of Carrying +2 or are both viable trade offs to the other?
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>>173732178
The angle on Megan's arm makes her look like an actual elf
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Baked potato alert PCfriends.
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Hard choices time, I'm one part away from building nekros prime and catprime. I need 3 alertium for spooky man and a one good polymer bundle run for catbutt. I realy did not like leveling up normal valkyr but maybe I did not build her right and base nekros is really fucking nice to have.

Who gets built first?
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>>173731060

???
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>>173733126
color channel?
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>>173733395
That's rough, buddy. At least you're not playing Warframe.
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>>173733504
that's pretty good for Mag. Can't ever make her look good.

I wish her body wasn't like a brick though
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>>173733395
>TQ plays heartstone
all of a sudden it all makes sense
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>>173733737
Mag is beautiful shut the fuck up.
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>>173733504
that's sum ugly shit m8
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>>173733826
the only good thing about mag are her feet, but even then I'd rather have excalibur/nyx style human-ish feet on my meat
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>>173733757
The fact that he steals information from other people without crediting them should have you told you he's a shit at warframe
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>>173733450
Thanks.
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>>173734321
>steals information from other people
>doesn't accept feedback
>never provides evidence
>contains bad builds

of all these blatantly untrue accusations about the tier list, which one is the dumbest?
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>>173734520
You.
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>>173732178
kek
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So what're the meta tier weapons now?
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>>173733504
that's cool
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>>173734972
limbo
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>>173735025
>>173733504
Thanks
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>>173734972
Literally whatever it doesn't even matter.
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>>173735315
>heavy gunner hits the ground
>smug Rhino/Atlas noises
Why are you playing a little girl's frame?
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is quick thinking really even that good? whenever I use it, it just wastes my energy and I get knocked around to death
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>https://www.youtube com/watch?v=XFWiHNWmSvQ
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>>173735484
Because I want to be a little girl being bullied by Heavy Gunners
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>>173735678
>tfw a heavy gunner will never slam her fist into you balls___
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>>173735315
>ground slam in conclave
>Doesn't knock them on their ass if they are in the air

WHY DOES YOUR MOM LET YOU HAVE AN AIR SLAM
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>>173731060
>no tennogen

Must suck being a poorfag huh
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>>173735575
its a meme. you're much better off using another stat increasing mod & relying on your powers to protect you
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>>173736584
to be fair, if shieldgating existed for players, it'd be pretty fucking powerful
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Orokin reactor BP alert up.
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>>173735575
you're playing the game wrong. Unless you're specifically playing a frame designed for tanking, tanking is useless in this game. QT helps prevents one-shots, that's it. Check the frame guide for a better explanation of surivability mods/QT
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>>173737405
cool that a whole mod is needed to prevent one shots and its still a problem for anyone thats not tanky (:
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holy shit almost missed reactor alert good because I was watching Netflix. good thing I switched to warframe tracker.
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Whats the secret to taking nice screenshots?
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>>173738590
if you mean regular screenshots idk. If you mean the really really good looking ones those are from a mode called captura that is literally designed for taking good screenshots.
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>>173738590
By not looking like literal poo poo like this
>>173734137
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>>173731060
Fuck you I do what I want!
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Excuse me friends is there any reason to keep the Hek after getting Vaykor Hek or is it a straight upgrade when all is said and done?
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>>173739330
>stealth kills you from the front
>Pssh, nothing personell, crewman.
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>>173738590
crank all your settings all the way up, then drop bloom to like 5%, kill motion blur, kill depth of field, and kill color correction

that will get you 90% of the way there, the rest is just framing
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whats fastest way to farm focus?
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>>173739656
Kill stuff
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>>173739330
>776 981
>1.56MB

Learn how to compress newfag
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>>173739368
Vaykor Hek is not a straight upgrade and can only reach almost the damage of scattered justice hek if you have primed ravage.

sorry for linking this vid because dude is annoying just skip to 2:35 and pause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQi3uc75Pc
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>>173739330
why is it so hard to get calves like that
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>>173740448
probably the fact that you aren't made out of metal
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>>173740542
Shut up, you don't know
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>>173740438
>purely comparing damage per shot
>without taking into account the literal double magazine size

aggp is stupid

v.hek shits over hek if you have primed ravage. Even if you don't,it's comparable.
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>>173740750
also doesn't take into account the additional multiplier for hitting crits on weak spots.
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>>173739656
Stealth frames and backstab chains on higher end missions. I recommend against doing this on Corpus missions because if your melee weapon's backstab is multi-hit, nullifiers can activate their bubble (and kill your invisibility) in the time it takes for the actual killing strike to land. I fucking salivate at the idea of getting a grineer exterminate sortie with eximus reinforcements, because it's just so much fucking focus it's ridiculous. I'm talking 3k+ bonus Focus from a single focus power up.

Just get a duration build Loki with Energy Siphon, your favorite dagger, Covert Lethality, and make sure to channel every backstab for fast body disposal. You can either use Zenurik for energy regeneration (if you're Loki even halfway decently built you'll regenerate all the energy of your invisibility before it even drops) or Naramon for the the bonus affinity gain (and thus, more focus per kill).

People will say LMAO AKKAD PICK UP POWER UPS but that, assuming you have a team who is also focus farming, is mind numbingly dull. Like, even for Warframe, long exposure to Akkad will kill you, or at least, make you want to kill yourself, from how dull it is.
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>>173732884
Wasn't he based on some play character,
which is based on some really old legends? Why the fuck can't I remember anything about that holy fucking shit I'm turning senile.Kinda hard to do that to be honest, I guess the easy way out is to change his passive to synergize with a Titania in the group. Pretty sure Steverino mentioned something like that a long time ago, like something something magical shit happens when an Ember and a Frost meet
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>>173740750
>aggp is stupid
Speaking of, I watched his recent Buzlok vid, and was thinking, if I had a Prowl Ivara and a silenced Buzlok, wouldn't I be getting some impressive numbers if I used the alt fire on it?
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>>173741024
Yup, Titania was the fairy queen and obby her bitch.
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>>173736795
Didn't DE want shieldgating to be enemy exclusive? And that's why it's not in the game yet
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>>173740909
>Channel backstabs

huh, thats what I was doing wrong. my farming always got interrupted by dudes that would see the bodies and not be stealth killable
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>>173741157
>you will never get raped by a fairy queen while you squeal like a goat
feels fucking bad
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>>173740909
They removed the Nullifier bubble coming out if during finishers.
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>>173740750
no it was his opinion that Vaykor Hek is better, it's my opinion that they are about the same.
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WHAT A TRANSACTION
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>>173741769
>it's my opinion that they are about the same.
your opinion is objectively wrong
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>>173741769
v.hek has better damage over time

hek has better frontload burst
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>>173740750
Is Strun Wraith good enough to be on topgun? it has high enough status chance to reach 100% and still use corrosive+heat over corrosive+blast
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>>173741024
>>173741157
They're from A Midsummer Night's Dream, you uncultured fucks.
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>>173741186
>DE making enemies even harder to kill
>When the current meta of the game is all about actually making things killable in a reasonable amount of time while trying to not die instantly
Are they just completely unaware of how fucked armor as a mechanic is? Or how ridiculous end game, even in DEAC, enemy damage is? I sure love this meta where either you're a invincible frame or paper frame, meanwhile rollers have more armor than anything less than the most swole Inaros, Chroma, or Rhino. It's fucking great.

>>173741402
It's not the perfect solution that brings back old enemy awareness, but it'll make enemy bodies disappear in 2 seconds tops as opposed to waiting anywhere from 10 to 15 seconds for bodies to disappear (at which point at least a roller has fucking spotted the body, ruining everything). The only problem is that when enemies die from a channeled strike their bodies tend to fuck off in random directions at random speeds. Sometimes they drift upwards like balloons for me, other times they rocket ahead like a drag racer.

>>173741604
Oh, that's good to hear. It's not like that on PS4 at the moment. Also Ospreys literally live solely to spot bodies, have shitty hitboxes, and ruin Stealth kill chains because they heard you swing and miss their shitty hitboxes by half an inch. Fuck the Corpus.
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>>173742031
no

it's damage is far too low, and the reload gimmick is shitty
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>>173741921
>burst
what an absolutely meaningless term. Why do people throw this word around like it means something? Warframe is a hordeshooter, what matters is overall DPS, not how much overkill you can load on a single target. If you had a gun with 1000000000 damage and 20s reload, it'll still be garbage despite the literal best burst damage in the game.

>>173742031
no idea, never tried. that image isn't meant to be a comprehensive list of best weapons and consequently is missing some, it was created to shit on the other topgun chart to show what a real weapons tier list should look like. It's not even updated. I posted it because its descriptions are still relevant despite that.
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>>173742065
I did say I forgot, you mong
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>>173742225
>use 10,000,000,000 burst damage gun with 20 second reload on the single giganigga2k enemy in a group/map boss
>oh noes whatever shall I do now in this horde shooter!?!?!?
>switch to secondary bullethose, keep playing

We have multiple weapon slots for a reason, chucklefuck.
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>>173742363
or
>press E
or
>press 1,2,3, or 4
or
>walk 5 feet to reload
>turn around after your reload
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>>173742363
>this gun doesn't suck because you can just use a better gun instead
what an incredible argument

protip: Weapon switch is so painfully slow it's rarely worth it, and you're significantly cutting down on your DPS if you switch frequently.

I feel like I'm explaining why 1+1=2 to a grade schooler.
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>>173742225
Your hyperbole aside, burst weapons are good because they lay down damage NOW

My Soma Prime and Tigris Prime can both kill a Corrupted Bombard, but the Soma Prime I have to lay into him for a bit to die. The Tigris Prime will put him down in a matter of seconds.

Your hyperbolic example would be a shit gun, yeah. Without a doubt, no one would use it except for the few times where you can just blast a boss into fucking oblivion since they don't have health gates or invincibility phases. And even then, people would use it because instead of sitting there, whittling away at the boss's health, they could just blast his ass into oblivion in an instant, making the fight goddamn irrelevant. You know, almost as if being able to do big dick damage in a fraction of a second is something that has value.

But please, tell me how the old Tonk was shit because it was a burst weapon
>b-but it shot fast
Twice. And then you sat there and fucking reloaded, you mong.

>>173742590
Oh, nevermind, you're just going to hook your feet into the dirt and play the contrarian because you're too proud/stubborn to realize that you were being too retarded to understand why the concept of burst damage even exists.
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>>173742106
>paper frame
Legit would buy with plat, no discounts.
Paper armor when
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>>173743208
tonkor wasn't good because of its burst damage, it was good because of its sustained damage since it was a huge AOE weapon. It just happened to also have good burst damage. You're completely missing the point if you think Tonkor was good because its burst damage allowed it to kill heavies. Tonkor was good because its ability to mow down entire crowds gave it incredible overall DPS.
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>>173742106
>Are they just completely unaware of how fucked armor as a mechanic is? Or how ridiculous end game, even in DEAC, enemy damage is? I sure love this meta where either you're a invincible frame or paper frame, meanwhile rollers have more armor than anything less than the most swole Inaros, Chroma, or Rhino. It's fucking great.


When people say "DE don't even play the game" they are missing the point it's very clear that DE might not even know what game they are working on.
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Ash Prime is so smooth...
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>turn on computer
>boot up steam
>go to launch warframe
>downloading 14.2gb

wut
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>>173743252
>Origami themed frame, color pattern are various scribbles on its skin. Secondary is curvy lines, tertiary is sharp lines for edge fags.
>Literally is nothing but shields and a passive that allows it to withstand instant shield breaks and health draining procs. Just immune to DoTs like gas or toxin so it doesn't fall over the moment an infested osprey farts in the same zipcode
>Each of its ability shifts its capabilities sort of like a mix between Chroma and Equinox. Low energy capacity to encourage shifting into the right mode at the right moment rather than constantly shifting on the fly.
>It's weapons are an ultra thin, ultra fast single sword (or new rapier) and thrown orikin playing cards with slow flight speed. Just mountains of slash damage and status chance.
Would you play it? Keep in mind it's agile stance single pistol idle animation is using its free hand like a puppet and then having a conversation with itself.
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hotel frame when
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Mesa just got done baking. How should I mod her?
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>>173742225
But if I can net 900k on a single target then I can net 700-800 in a group. Optimal is optimal friends
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What does DEAC mean? I know it stands for DE approved content but what does that mean? what is the level/difficulty cuttoff?
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>>173744357
LIVIN IT UP
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>>173744240
Would buy, would play, would put 200 forma on it while my dick stays engorged
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>>173744609
efficiency, strength, duration.
put crit and fire rate mods on your pistols since they effect peacemaker as well
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>>173744640
You're confusing terms here (but to be fair, so did I). You're comparing single-target to AOE damage, which is something else entirely.

>>173744609
https://pastebin.com/rSmHFVTG
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Here's the real list of good weapons
>Zarr
>Tigris Prime
>Kohm
That it's. That's the best launcher, best shotgun and best rifle. Yes, Kohm's a rifle, DE just mislabeled it. Primaries are the only weapons that matter. Secondaries only exists as a stat stick for Mesa. >melee
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>>173745121
I'd be insulted
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>>173744642
a more correct acronym would be DEBC (de-balanced content) but that's not as catchy

back when endless missions were actually worth doing, it referred to anything past wave 20 or minute 20 (rotation c) in Tower IV equivalent

it was a memetic reference to the fact that DE only cared about balancing weapons and frame abilities for missions that happened within the solar system, under about level 60

this is why enemy health, armor and damage scales so fucktardedly high, because they literally don't care
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You don't need to shoot when using kitty cat and we do more dmg
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>>173745121
that day 500 gun looks like some kind of Dr Seuss instrument.
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>>173745191
No one cares about what you feel nerd.
I just posted to show my progress to the rifle.
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Azima any good?
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>need to scan brood mothers for simaris
>go to an eris mission
>no target
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>>173745524
No. It's good at throwing ammo away for no result, I guess.
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>>173745421
it's effectively the farsight from perfect dark, based on the description that's been datamined
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>>173745601
>scanning simaris's stupid shit
did you have a riven or something? just scan shit in kuva fort as ivara for rep.
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>>173745191
i have enough plat to not even care

in fact im actually surprised that I got one

>>173745421
yeah
too bad it isn't as impressive as the zenistar. I would have hope but DE wiill keep tweaking it until its just above mastery fodder
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>>173745936
>just 4 more days for disc priamry
it's probably going to be shit
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Captain's Log: 60 Hours
I think I hate this game. Should I quit now?
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>>173746487
it gets good after 2000 hours. i promise.
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>>173746443
Datamining has shown its MR fodder and nothing more.

>>173746487
Yes.
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>>173745215
yeah I just did the calculations and corrupted heavy gunner at level 100 has 96% damage reduction. How is DE even surprised that no one runs anything except CP?
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>>173745215
No, it's not that they don't care. It's because players don't understand the concept of "endless mission". In an endless mission you're supposed to eventually face odds you cannot overcome, and while just pumping mob stats into the stratosphere instead of throwing in a greater variety of enemies with increasingly dangerous abilities is the simple way out, it's still working as intended. Your gear is not supposed to be able to scale to level 9999 and neither should it, unless they increase enemy levels even further to keep the idea of forcing players to leave the mission at some point.
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>>173745936
>>173746586
It sounds sort of like the buzlok with its gimmick.
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>>173745524
Not even workable with a Riven. Spectra level bad.
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>>173746732
>not supposed to be able to scale to level 9999
They have literally had events that specifically include level 9999 and higher enemies. Your argument is invalid.

>>173746604
don't forget the millions of HP after you get through that armor
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>>173746732
Retarded enemy scaling has nothing to do with endless now considering that shit is clearly visible in sorties. With most sorties being solved with some sort of cheese builds to get around terrible game design.

Fuck you DE fix the game.
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>>173747013
okay that was a joke tho and you couldn't die
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>>173743986
still irked no ones bothered to make female/male frame alts in the tennogen
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>>173747557
Because they literally can't. 10ogen are just skins, they HAVE to use the default body model.
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>>173745121
>tfw only at 409
I hate knowing they'll probably change that gun heavily before I can even get it.
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>>173747747
They learned their lesson with the Zeni, they've made sure the rifle won't be good for anything right from the start.
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>>173748162
>They learned their lesson with the Zen
the zenistar is still broken op even after a hand full of nerfs. i think fatfuck gave up
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>>173748440
well that's the point, the zenistar, much like the khom, simply has a mechanic that DE's coders don't have the wherewithal to balance
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Why does Hek have a huge swollen american cartoon head?
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>>173740750
>boltor prime is on this

put it next to ignis because it's hot trash for anything but starchart
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>>173749042
Because like the Grineer, we are a corrupt and angry people with rapidly failing bodies
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How did you guys build you Akstiletto prime? I went for status, or is that just a meme?
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>>173750269
Do critstatus hybrid.

It works.
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>>173749042
It looks like his skull is metal and they just slapped his skin over it without caring how saggy and lumpy it was.
>tfw no cheesy 90s warframe cartoon with nef and vay hek as the main villains
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>>173750269
>gas / magnetic
>IPS mod
Jesus fuck anon what the shit are you doing?

this guy >>173750386
has it right

you don't need 100% status on bullethoses, just shotguns for the multishot meme to kick in

Hornet Strike / Barrel Diffusion / Lethal Torrent / (Primed) Target Cracker / (Primed) Pistol Gambit / 90%ele / dualstat ele / dualstat ele

I recommend corrosive for obvious reasons.
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>>173750269
Crit Corrosive
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>>173750929
>>173750269
>when you got that crit/status hybrid Twin Grakata

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tdyU_gW6WE
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>>173750386
>>173750929
>>173750953
>>173751035
got it. I didn't have enough mod capacity so I forma'd it again.
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Post yfw Primed Split Chamber
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>>173750929
>90% ele
(Primed) heated charge is better damage.
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>>173747648
Well that sucks

So no chance of Dark Sector nemesis skin for Nyx?

And no, not the half assed recolor she got
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>>173751498
you're right, I always forget about that one
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>>173751546
Nope, no Masculine Nyx for you.
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>>173751448
>>
Viral+Heat is good against infested correct?
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>>173752124
corr/heat is better due to the armor auras that the moas have
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How do you build tenora?
Serration/split chamber/vital sense/point strike seem obvious. I was gonna plug two dualstats and shred seems worth it, but what's the last slot? I'm currently working on speed trigger to make the charge shot usable and the auto fire spin up faster, but does /wfg/ have better suggestions? I feel stupid needing a fourth forma when I'm two points shy.
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>>173752124
Only if you are actually reliably procing viral because infested has a 50% resistance to viral damage
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>>173752124
>>173752370
I always run gas on infested. moas have an armor aura? why does no one tell me these things?!
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>>173751546
>recolor
the nemesis skin is a completely new model, actually

you can tell because the thigh game is even crazier
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>>173752382
hcal or sharpened bullets

the gun literally becomes more accurate as it spools up, there's zero downside to using hcal and it needs all the damage it can get, just like soma.p
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>>173752669
>zero downside
I mean, it does have a maximum spin-up, but I get your point.
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>>173752793
it's effectively a powercreep'd soma

build it exactly the same
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I just wish that levels 60+ didn't scale EHP so high and instead makes enemies smarter and more accurate.

The easy part would be to do things like reduce their reaction times and increase their melee attack animation speeds but not their turning speeds. Faster to shoot 10o and allies in front of them and less likely to whiff their melee attack but no spinning like a top (which they kind of do already). Also more accuracy when shooting.

The hard part would be tweaking their AI so that they have better apparent coordination and intelligent use of cover. When they are in cover, they peek out and animate back into cover much faster and very high level ones don't even expose themselves much, instead they have new unique animations of shooting from that cover. Less running around in the open and rushing to objectives one-by-one, more hanging back in cover or at their spawns until a certain amount of enemies have spawned in their rooms, then they move on the objectives as one. This requires calculations on how fast each unit is so that they can decide how long to wait.

That's what Post DEAC should be like, not absurd increases in enemy health. They still need some to not die from the most meta cheese powers but if they do all of the above then it would be alright to nerf them since their cheese factor is no longer critical to success in sorties and beyond.
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So when are they just going to make base damage increase just a built in part of mastering a weapon? Like, just put Serration/Hornet Strike/Point Blank/Pressure Point as an innate mod that levels up with the weapons. If you put a potato in a weapon, you get the Primed version of said damage mod.

Why do we still have to waste the mandatory mod slot on damage up when literally every weapon besides niche fucking around builds (CE Hikou or CL Daggers come to mind) slap their respective damage up mods on 99.9% of the time? I would love to use shit like faster reload or higher ammo capacity freely but nah.

Damage, Multi-shot, Crit Chance Up. Okay, now you can mod shit. Oh, it's a secondary? Guess you're using lethal torrent as well. Shotgun? Well, there goes a slot to Blaze and/or Vicious Spread. That's anywhere from 3 to 5 mod slots just gone before you can actually customize. Add one more for augments, and another for a decent riven if you have one. Up to
5 to 7 mandatory mods because reasons. You want to use Status? Just go ahead and add another 1 to 3, replacing Crit Up. Fuck, the math doesn't add up, only have 8 slots to work with. Guess something is getting dumped.

Oh, it's a melee? Fury, Pressure Point are givens. Is it a crit melee? Berserker, Body Count/Drifting Contact, Maiming Strike and/or Blood Rush. Status? Body Count/Drifting Contact and Weeping Wounds, and anywhere from 2 to 4 dual ele mods

I JUST WANT TO RELOAD FASTER WITHOUT SACRIFICING DAMAGE. INSTEAD ALL OF MY WEAPONS ARE EITHER MODDED FOR STATUS OR CRIT AND LOOK IDENTICAL.
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>>173753007
>de
>doing smarter ai
>thats not just debuff auras, dmg auras, and soon to be "hit X around of Y to kill this thing"
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>>173752963
I dunno, 15% status can be workable on a bullet hose, if anything the tenora's a more versatile soma.
>>
is this game worth getting into now? or is the community too elite for beginners to find a room to join?
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>>173753273
That was referenced to be part of damage 2.0 months and months ago and never mentioned again, quietly dropped like trump when he was a baby. DE realized they have no idea what to do for damage 2.0 and completely gave up on it
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>>173753369
>too elite
nothing about this game is elite. you're unlikely to find a lot of company on low-level missions, but only because they're not worth running except to clear the map, it has nothing to do with disdain for noobs. the game itself is absolutely not worth getting into, the devs suck, and it's a barely veiled skinner box through and through.
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>>173753273
No one not even DE themselves trusted them to handle that properly so they stopped before they broke all weapons.
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>>173753369
>not a new ip
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>>173753369
the game is getting dumber and easier to play every year

just get in a decently large clan early on so us bittervets give you all the basic mods that are a pain in the ass to farm for free
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>Double resource kat buff gone seconds before 4th Kuva spawn
>Immediatly get another double buff after Kuva destroyed
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>>173753568
do people usually play loud or can i play sneaky beaky?
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>>173753796
if you want to play like a ninja instead of a walking genocide machine, you will quickly learn to play in solo mode
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>>173753369
>is the community too elite for beginners to find a room to join
haha no

the game is casual as fuck and even if you're new as shit, the squad system allows you to get easily carried through almost everything, including "endgame" content such as sorties
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>>173753879
>sorties
>endgame
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>>173753948
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>>173753369
>Warframe community
>Elite
Don't bother with this game. It's fun for the first few hours but the longer you play the more you realize that this is all the game has to offer and that the developers somehow make the game worse with every update.

Years later and this image still rings true.
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>>173753948
>>173754019
Not this dumb argument again. Sorties are the closest thing we have to endgame, because it's the most difficult content that still gives rewards. You endless autists need to fuck off.
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>>173754064
jesus christ
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>>173753304
That's why some of my suggestions for smarter AI are number tweaks to their animation speeds, which even DE can test and implement in about a single working day. Just making them run faster will also passively cause groups to form up before players can get in position to shoot as well.

>>173753273
The absolute easiest fix without changing the base system is to give weapons 10 mod slots instead of 8 and add one more Exilus-like slot for Rivens only.

With many weapons having enough space for about 3 to 4 elementals, an increase of two extra slots is maybe 150~200% extra damage. Not that gamebreaking I think. Those slots can go to other utility items if the damage is already excessive while weak weapons will appreciate the extra damage.

Most bosses are health gated so its not like +200% damage on a Tigris Prime is going to make much of a difference. Maybe it just means that you won't slip into 3-shot territory on extremely long endless runs. However, +200% would be tremendous on a Braton, making it more than just a status dispenser.
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>>173754218
>closest thing we have to endgame
no
>the most difficult content that still gives rewards
also no. Endless missions still give rewards

i see you are at your usual 0% critical thinking
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>it's the most difficult content that still gives rewards
what did he mean by this
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>>173754382
>Endless missions still give rewards
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>>173754487
waiting for that 0% to go to a 1%
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>Just did the scan without taking damage, no abilities, hobbled riven challenge
>forgot to equip the fucking riven

Just fuck my shit up.
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>>173753007
>The hard part would be tweaking their AI so that they have better apparent coordination and intelligent use of cover.
I know [DE]Steve doesn't want to make his game like Halo, but he really needs to listen to Griesemer's "The Illusion of Intelligence" GDC talk.
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>>173754552
I see you autists still cling to a dead way of playing, unable to accept and adapt to new changes.
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>>173754675
>still at 0%
wew lad
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>>173754612
I wish all games had AI like the halo covenant, watching them work together is pretty cool.
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>>173754064
Wew y'all niggas have been through some shit, haven't you?
>Goes from broken English to fucking flawless English
This is some dystopian Bodysnatcher shit

>>173754382
>>173754397
Now, that man is a retarded faggot (raids do exists, and I would put them above Sorties easily), but I believe he means there is no reason to go beyond the first rotation C (or stick around for Rotation A again on Fissure missions for the free relic) on Endless missions without leaving and starting again, since it doesn't change anything besides throw enemies with bigger numbers at you.

Granted, that's just me making a huge assumption, but yeah. The man just might be retarded, though.
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>>173754894
>The man just might be retarded, though.
You think we have that filter in the OP as a joke?
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>>173754894
>but I believe he means there is no reason to go beyond the first rotation C
youre absolutely right
tq is trying to say that they dont, as seen here >>173754487

I understand that all he does is use buzzwords that he hears from others, but he needs to learn to use them correctly
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>>173754721
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>>173754758
Imagine fighting Grineer squad with FEAR-like AI.

Yeah, yeah, I know that FEAR's AI is carefully scripted spectacle that tied to levels, but still. It was fun fighting against Replica squads.
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>>173755042
>tq has tried 3 times to make OP material
>2 of the times his antagonist made a better version that are currently in the OP
>the third is never used
>despite him trying to be an OC contributor to wfg, all he has done is gotten the filters into the OP
oh the irony

>>173755083
>admission of guilt
ah, very well. carry on then
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>>173755083
>>173754487
Weren't you banned?

>>173755050
Is there a reason to stick around past Rotation C if I'm just trying to farm up C rewards and don't feel like going up to wave 40/40 minutes? Genuinely curious because I usually straight fuck off and start again. This is assuming I'm not after the increased affinity rewards of dealing with higher level enemies; I know enough that late Endless missions are the best way to level up shit outside of Exterminate Eximus sorties.
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>>173755129
>want a fear remaster
>know they will fuck it up
>want a darkness remaster
>know they will fuck it up
>we are half a toe into a whole new generation of entertainment where everything is getting lazily remade, remastered, or finding away around company license holding just for muh nostalgia bucks

feels really bad man
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>>173755265
>a better version
ahahaha

AHAHHAHAHAHAH

if you don't like the frame guide, that's fine. But hating on the tier list while supporting a starving, malnourished African child version of the frame guide that contains almost no information and flat-out bad advice like STR limbo and radial blind augment Excal, is simply hypocritical. It's a testament to how little people actually read it that nobody is calling it out on such retardation.
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>>173755129
manics that acted like the cloaking troopers would be pretty funky

But FEAR's enemies wouldn't work in warframe. The weapons and frames themselves are just operating on a completely different level.
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>>173751448
What will it go to? 100% maybe?
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>>173755485
>C rotations
Yes and No. For things like ODD/ODS you stay for more rolls. For endless relic runs you stay for more XP/drops, but if you dont care about those then you just restart whenever you want.

>>173755561
>such retardation
both of those things are good... what do you mean? this is the whole <0% thing, tq... youve got to actually make arguements
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>>173755643
I'd say, if they actually did it, it would go to 135% because DE loves their fucked up numbers.

If they go full retarded, it'll be 145/150%. Enough to push it from 'it's a nice boost when you get the triple shot' to 'reliable enough to be a consistent DPS boost and thus mandatory'
>>
How is the quanta? Just got a riven for it.
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>>173755750
>For endless relic runs you stay for more XP/drops
there are significantly faster farms for XP, drops, and relics than endless missions.

>both of those things are good
I thought endless autists were at least competent at the game. I guess I was wrong.
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>>173755934
>faster farms
yes, which is why 99% of people leave after their relics are done
>guess i was wrong
still no arguements. can you do nothing right? You are sounding more and more like Trump.
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>>173756090
This is the problem with you. You're too fucking stupid to realize why STR limbo and blind augment Excal are shit, despite the fact that anyone with any amount of experience in the game will easily spot it. In fact, I've even explained it to you before, and you remain completely silent while changing nothing. Then when the next thread rolls around, you pretend like the entire argument doesn't exist. This level of stupidity is mindboggling.

Same with the semiauto dual pistols in your shitty chart. Despite numerous posts about how shit they are not just from me but others, complete with well-reasoned arguments regarding fire rate, you still keep them on there and remain completely silent as to why, offering no counterarguments. In literally every single argument you dodge behind incredibly vague, meaningless answers mixed with a healthy dose of ad hominem. There's a Trump reference to be made here, but I'm not the one it should be aimed at.
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>>173755129
Playing FEAR with slowmo and they seem like they are doing things right. Play it without slowmo and when you are forced to adopt proper tactics to deal with not having slowmo, you will be able to realize how dumb the AI actually is and how much they rely upon their bulletsponge health and generous stagger resistance to match the player.

Fun fact: Your weapons fire faster in Slowmo. The increase in DPS is what lets you keep up with endgame enemies like the mercs without putting in a supreme amount of effort and skill.

Playing through the FEAR series without slowmo is the true way to experience the game, really. The cheese AOE tactics you will need to develop to beat FEAR 2 is fun. FEAR 2's expansion is the only time you are forced to use slowmo to defeat the final boss.
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>>173756476
>still not giving arguements
remain in the trash tq
wfg will remember you as a shitposter, not a contributor. you are reaching for the stars with your ass still in the mud.

>but I'm not the one it should be aimed at
i see a distinct resemblance between your posts and his tweets. Namely, neither are taken seriously by smart people
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>>173723585
>raid builds missing
cmon now
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>>173754894
I've got an entire folder dedicated to DE's fuckery
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>>173756819
I just copied and pasted the OP of the last thread. I'll be sure to fix it if i'm the one to make the next thread
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>>173757403
I only started playing a couple weeks ago
Did shit continue to go downhill from there?
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>>173757989
from a PR point of view? yeah, kinda. From a testing and bug fixing point of view? Definitely yes
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Man, I can't even give anything away lately. I've been sitting on the same relatively desirable bullshit for a couple weeks and I don't even get offers when pricing it under market.
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You know what would be cool. A stance for the weebsword that uses the sheath as an impact weapon along with the blade
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>>173758329
Pretty sure Blind Justice has that. I don't know for sure because I haven't touched a Nikana since last year.
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>tq shitting up thread
>is asked for good arguements
>tq leaves
trips are okay, i guess
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>>173757989
This is the biggest single fuckup that I have documented, but there have been numerous other fuckups over the years that have contributed to DE's abysmal reputation. This one was from about 6 months later. While it isn't nearly as big as Ice-Pirates, I try to keep track of all of DE's fuckups to have a comprehensive album detailing their incompetence as a company.
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>>173758635
*That is the biggest single fuckup, as in >>173757403
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>TQ posted something

hmm wonder why I didn't see it, oh yeah, filters
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>>173758635
>it's literally a logo stretched over a weapon
WEW
E
W

They must take the playerbase for retards
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>>173758976
how often do they filter out people responding? did you see those two going at it for the last half hour?
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>>173759218
I haven't seen a shitpost all thread

well that's a lie, but not a TQ-tier shitpost or any replies to one
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>>173759301
interesting
youre still a safespace fag, but i didnt know that they went as far as to filter replies
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>>173758635
>tfw my equinox is immortal now
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>>173758635
>>173757403
>tfw made the screen shot twice, twice

Oh DE... Such a half-assed game dev company. Steve would rather be "programming" speculative lighting mip maps than playing his fucking mess of a game.

Even the new Chroma skin looks like a fucking lobstrosity.
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>>173759353
>anyone who disagrees with me is making a safe-space!

safe space =/= ignoring retards who scream and yell all day

its not that I disagree with you, I just find you insufferable and go at lengths to ignore and avoid you
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>>173759390
>your equinox
you mean the one with default colors, default colored ship interior, and the default colored DSS skin?
fuckin legend, man

>>173759728
im mostly kidding
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>>173758635
>>173757403
I can't stop laughing
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>>173759214
The sad thing is a lot of the player base is retards. The game has terrible player retention, so all these new players come in and complain about the current meta that's overpowered or broken because they see it one-shotting things in low/medium level starchart missions. Then those things get nerfed so they're useless for any mission with actual difficulty and the people that complained about them have fucked off to another game already. Then a new meta is formed and the cycle repeats itself.
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>>173760010
streamer glyphs are pretty much a giant red flag
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>>173760074
>red flag
OH YOU
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>>173759839
thanks m8, generic look was what i was going for.
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>>173731060
sounds like you're just mad you look like trash
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>>173760348
best skin
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>>173760348
That's a dangerous amount of booty for one picture.
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Post Pink stuff
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>>173760348
Stay mad
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Can PC players not buy Tennogen stuff with plat? On the PS4 I can't use coupons on Tennogen stuff, but I can still spend other people's good goy points to on Tennogen, like Mesa's Falcon hat.
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>>173761401
his whole point was that you were upset about tennogen. you cant logically turn it back around on him
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Fine.

Post Ass.
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>>173761960
Ass.
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>>173748590
Kohm is my current gunfu; mainly because grineer weapons' habit of vomiting solid cones of bullets pleases me
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Plays are on sale, worth it?
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HERE IS A HARD ONE BOYS

WHAT DO I DO
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>DE nerfed Pluto Spy EXP
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>>173753273
They really should put back in the 2 removed mod slots. They removed it when they removed ability mods, which doesn't make sense for weapons cause they don't make use of ability mods.
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>>173762901
I thought Spy exp bonus was capped out at 12k for a flawless vault even at the later planets.

I mean, I had been avoiding Corpus Spy because laser walls are cancer and I only just recently got an Infiltrate for my Ivara. Did Pluto give over 12k for a flawless vault or?
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>>173763316
>Level up 3-4 ranks before whenever
>Level up 1 each rank now

Stealth Stealh'd nerf'd
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>>173763379
Maybe you are just in the upper end of leveling up stuff. 12k affinity isn't really a lot once you break into the 20's for leveling, considering a backstabbed Eximus Heavy Gunner a two or three kills into a stealth chain is worth 8k by themselves.

Granted, spy vaults are some good shit for leveling things up from base up to the middle levels in short period, especially if you do one weapon runs. I leveled up a lot of weapons while doing Uranus spy (which is the earliest you can get the 12k undetected bonus, last check) with only melee equipped.
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>>173762338
I vote right, it's 3 flavors of damage over left's two
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Is there a better place for polymer farming besides uranus? I really hate that tileset
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>>173760010
What the goddamn fuck that isn't even a fucking swastika what the fucking hell is he on about
That fucking nigger. Open up the stand of a stand fan, what do you see? Yeah, that's right, a "swastika". Are electric fans nazis? Goddamn fucking fuck that post fucking triggered me
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>>173763540
Spy missions are for stabbing loads of enemies at once because they keep teleporting themselves in front of the vaults when you complete them. They end up walking away from the vault when that happens, so stabby stabby stabby STEALTH BONUS.
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>>173764241
>Are electric fans nazis?
Very yes. Every single one.
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Which one of you faggots created the Limbo Metal Gear Flash Bang Build
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>>173764427
Thank god for electric fans then
But wait, I also notice that the butt of blenders also have swastikas. Are they nazis?
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>>173764465
I did, why?
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>>173764552
Only if you blend juice in them.
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>>173764676
My blender must be a fuhrer then.
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>>173765154
Of course, it goes

*press button*
SIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-
*release button*
GGG HEEEeeiiiiilllll~...
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>>173764623
like omg thanks a lot i dont think de knows about this holy moly gwapamoly its good
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>>173727229
>is there armor (yellow hp bar), or is it infested?
corrosive for damage, with status chance for armor strip, and heat or cold if you have room for the extra cc/dot or cc/damage to alloy
>can you not strip the armor?
corrosive if it's ferrite, radiation if it's alloy (pair with viral if possible)
>is there no armor (red hp bar, 4x corrosive projection or otherwise)?
viral, and heat if you have the room (this is the best combination against most enemies in the game if you can manage it), or radiation if you want (and for some bosses like jordas)
>is there a fuckton of shield you want to bypass (corpus 16x shield sortie, etc)?
straight toxin for damage, or gas with status, but even with an absurd amount of shields if there's armor on the hp that should be your priority, and viral+heat will often outperform toxin or gas unless there's really just an ungodly disproportionate amount of shield

>responding to a nine hour old post
tl;dr there are only two elemental builds: corrosive + choice of heat/cold, or viral + heat, depending, because DE can't into a proper damage system
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Fucking around in the testing room. Can someone give me run down of how Gas Lanka and Mag work and any other things that might be useful to learn in a controlled area
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>>173765546
Yeah
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>>173765845
Here's to (you), now that you have been paid can I get info about Gas Lanka
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>>173765924
Yes
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>>173765546
how it works is not as well as it used to
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>>173766335
So the shitty webm tq post is out of date and I just remembered the gas nerf, well on the brightside I did not potato the bitch so thanks for the help
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>>173766501
No problem ESL buddy
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>>173737070
>I missed this.
Why does DE pick the worst times to start these up? I just got Trin Prime. ;_;
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What's the drop chance of Equinox parts from Regor? I just need one more (Night Systems) before I can commit to building both aspects. It really sucks if they aren't at least equal in chance.
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>>173766717
They're random, goyi- I mean, anon.
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>>173757403
>>173758635
>tfw founder whale

I sometimes go back to Dark Sector (the original video game) and wonder if they had taken a route more like that if everything would have turned out better?

The amount of money ive spent and friends ive seen disappear along with multiple clans falling, its an all new kinda pain

I cant even step up and say anything cause I know ill just get knocked down like>>173754064, but at this point ive put in so much im afraid to just walk away
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>>173766501
it technically still works, you just won't see the multiplicative bonuses on gas and other shit that might have been possible before, and I think they nerfed nu-mag directly for that kind of thing as well
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>>173767243
>look up tyl regor on datamine
>GrineerNinjaLeader
>suddenly remember simple old blue grineer with upside down mask who dropped ash parts
speaking of when the game could have taken a drastically different turn... but no, I think a lot of those drops have been stripped from the client tables and the chances aren't listed in the log anymore, so afaik we can't know the exact rates anymore (unless you do some sort of packet analysis thing when it gets your mission reward?)

anecdotally I'd say it's not an equal chance, and I can't imagine why

>>173767451
I wanted a tactical coop space ninja horror shooter/survival, instead we got a hordeshooter with vaguely eastern-themed cosmetics and a schizophrenic neon-color-vomit identity that tried too hard to be unique while embracing things like ridiculous skins and dance emotes
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>>173767451
I know your pain, anon. The sunken cost fallacy has me in its grasp as well.
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>>173767457
why though
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>>173767917
They could certainly introduce a new game / mission modes where all your parkour is gone and you have to play it tactically. Maybe everyone suffers from double damage so you can kill high level Grineer quite easily but then they kill you really fast too. At least there's now a reason to use the Hush mods outside of certain Riven challenges.
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>>173768269
they'd have to fix the entire enemy awareness framework for anything tactical/stealthy to work (not gonna happen, see: every time they touch stealth play or introduce a mission type like spy/rescue) and expand their general behavior for it to matter, but instead they just tweak some numbers and we end up with broken scaling and a few unused old references to squad tactics/spawns, or in the few cases that they do improve facets of the game supporting such an approach (which they have, in some fundamental ways that really added to the game, like awareness indicators and stealth kill bonuses or curbing sudden-whole-ship-awareness syndrome) they'll end up fucking with the numbers to make sure you can't actually reliably use it and not actually address the sleek that breaks it entirely or the underlying design issues that plague the whole process

it's just not gonna happen in this game's lifetime in any satisfactory manner, they've strayed too far from the original feel and vision for the game, and if they try to cater to this sort of niche it'll just force a shoehorned playstyle no longer fit for the game on players who don't want it at all or disappoint the ones who might appreciate it, all while leading to more nerfs if anything is deemed "too good" by forumshitters
>bitter tenchufag tears
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Anyone PC interested in an unrolled Tetra Riven?
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>equip hirudo with beserker and fury for maximum urururururu
>keep melee unequipped
>stop time as limbo and turbo punch the shit out of stuff with a melee macro

I'm having fun, someone stop me
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>corpus gas city
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IfjQXvdzD8
they managed to nail a few aspects of the A E S T H E T I C for this game, it's just a shame it's overall trash

>>173769847
if it makes you feel better, there's no way they're not going to fuck with nu-limbo in some way - this much fun can't be allowed
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What weapons can one shot level 160 heavies
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>>173770073
Nice try, Fatfuck.
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>do kuva flood on corpus location
>finish pissing worm off
>grineer forces routed
>speeding through tileset as loki
>hear bursa and group of corpus fighting somthing up ahead
>expect a grineer squad
>it's a single fucking hyekka
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>>173770073
depends on the heavy, maybe something like an opticor or a sniper, or the obvious ones that can kill literally anything
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How does this game run so well with graphics like this?
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>>173770347
fix your fucking game, steve
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>>173770073
Ivara, though that's technically not "one shot"
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>>173770419
that distinction is especially important if you're trying to do stealthshit, since multishot is no longer valid
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Do the devs actually check this general?
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What happens if you keep going past your target in the Index? Anything special or just DEAC?
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>>173770163
Kot ladies are no fuckin' joke man.
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Did I fucking miss another potato alert?!
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How much does a soma prime set go for nowadays?
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>>173770656
Nice try, Steve.
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>>173770837
Is that a new meme?
I have a set left over and need plat but I don't wanna sell it if it's not worth anything
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>>173770486
I'm sure they've nerfed shit that's been posted only here before, but I can't actually point to a single example where I could back it up with evidence; if I were them I'd certainly check here just to keep tabs on the sentiment and events of a facet of the community, even if it's in the minority and somewhat atypical, but they obviously don't listen to constructive feedback that gets posted here
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Is there some basic schedule for when they try to implement tennogen or is it just fuckin random?
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>>173771128
To be fair, what might be good in the eyes of /wfg/ might not be good in the eyes of the rest of the playerbase.
In my opinion they should go fuck themselves because they're a bunch of inbred retards.
Nobody cares about my opinion though.
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Is there a weapon version of the frame building pastebin? And if not, is there any way to make fang prime good? Or usable at least?
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Was 2016 truly the year of nothing? I didn't play at all that year.

And what is 2017?
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>>173771943
year of ded
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>>173770951
Just check the market lists. You can jew in market chat maybe about 10-20% more.
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>>173771557
No. All dual daggers are generally bad, especially since there is no equivalent of Covert Lethality for them. The Fang Prime is one of the worst prime weapons in the game, use them for mastery and keep them if you think they'll ever get buffed.
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>>173771943
2017: "Year of less than the years before"
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>>173772243
I just keep them because I'm a collector, I keep all the primes. That's shit though, why does DE leave whole categories of weapons in the trash?
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>>173772312
Because they're a bad company.
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>Cipher stats
Did I miss a meme or something, hell is this about?

I last played when Ash Prime was the newest thing, I feel so out of touch.
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>>173772432
in-game, or in the OP for the warbros app? both have been there since at least around when nova prime was released, probably much longer
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>>173772512
OP. I dunno, my sense of time scaling in this game is weird. I left at some point, came back for a few days a few times and now everything seems weird. The last event I remember was the Red Veil rescue thing, that was the last time I was playing with any regularity, Ash is the latest thing I remember happening when I was on.
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>>173772432
The last time I played was a bit after Chroma was released so I had to play catchup too. I would be okay with coming back if it weren't for the fact that it ruined my sleep schedule I was in the process of actually repairing, and it ruined my streak of actually practicing drawing. I may have to quit for good, but that's probably not happening. ;_;
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so when people say they're grinding The Index for credits are they doing Low risk or Medium risk?

People seem to go up to 50 points on low risk and I haven't read anything on the wiki that gives them some sort of benefit
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>guy wants to buy item I'm selling, invite him to dojo
>it's taking him a while
>network not responding
>logged out
>check network on taskbar, no connection
>check router, it's fine
>check taskbar again, i'm connected
>log back in, pm guy
>user is offline and will not receive your message
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Wasn't focus supposed to get "tweaked"? Or are they never touching that because of the shitstorm that will follow?
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>>173772836
it's a beta, don't be so ungrateful
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>>173772756
Med risk is the most efficient since you're able to spend a decent amount of time getting a fair amount of credits with less debuffs than high risk.
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How do I mod a secondary for mesa? And is there a specific one I should use?
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Can low index people get matched with mid index?
I just got some people saying they only need 25 when I needed 50
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>>173773213
I see thanks, Guess it's time to work on some Index setups
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>>173772881
Did the game itself ever leave beta?
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>>173773367
>warframe
>leaving beta
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So, I heard the new gimmick they're working on is clans building big ships to fly around?
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So, I'm sitting on a mountain of plat. What should I go for after primes and important mods?

5000 odd for those wondering.
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>>173774173
Whatever you feel like, it's your waste of money.
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>>173774330
>Money
Excuse you, it's time. I earned those 10 odd sets of Ember Prime and Frost Prime.

You all called me crazy for calling them valuable!
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>>173774468
Doesn't matter who payed for it. Plat has a real world value
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>>173774881
...Never really thought of it like that. I mean I guess? I dunno. Not like I can get the money out so to speak.

I guess it's always someone's waste of money.
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>>173774173
Buy all the deluxe skins. That will cut a decent chunk out of your stash and isn't a complete waste of plat. Other than that, go buy syndicate weapons and prisma stuff, and syandanas that you may or may not have eyed before.
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>>173770494
You get to face the ultimate lifeform at 1 hour and if you manage to kill it you get a signed portrait of it
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>>173770486
We know from this anon that Becca regularly browses the general, but we have no idea about the rest of the dev team.
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>>173777931
>Becca regularly browses the generaL
that is the only evidence, barely anthing to go on
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>>173773265
The secondary itself doesn't matter for Peacemaker, only the mods do. That being said if you want to be able to actually use the secondary I recommend something that takes a crit build with 90% status mods, as that is the optimal setup for PM.
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>>173777931
>a dev/devs regularly surveys our anonymous shitposts and shenanigans
I find it weird to think about. How much can we meme Hotwheels Volt until it gets mentioned in-stream or something?
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What are we farming today /wfg/?
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>>173778161
Probably gonna credit farm when I have the time. Other than that I need polymer bundles and alertium.
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>>173778156
it's more likely that the overlap between places like this, leddit, and the forums results in "culture" and information spreading, rather than the devs or their cummods/cronies ever deigning to visit this place directly
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>>173778256
Makes me wish I could work for DE, just to implement good features and suggestions from /wfg/ and solve some of the internal issues DE seems to have when it comes to developing their game.

I would be fired within the month for countering the eternal [DE]Jew. ˙ ͜ >˙
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>>173778161
Mother.
Fucking.
Orokin Cells.

I need 100 of the fucking things for all my backlogged primes.

100.

ONE. FUCKING. HUNDRED.
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>>173777830
Seriously? Is it actually hard?
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>>173778559
I'm pretty sure many of the new employees want to make wf a better game.
Problem is the higher ups have a "vision" on what to make. And usually that involves money and not a fun
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>>173777830
Do you actually get a portrait of him? That's kinda great.
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>>173778156
The devs try to actively ignore the existence of this general and our clan Warbros due to the immeasurable amount of salt it generated over the years. Warbros was the top clan in every event back then and they weren't afraid to show it either, waving their dicks in chat and on the forums. Especially on the forums of the clan's greatest competition (and the saltiest group of them all) Cresent Moon Prime.

The straw that broke the camel's back was one of Warbros' old recruitment requirements. It required everyone who wanted to join to make a thread on the Warframe forums stating "Warbros #1" .It got so bad that the devs of DE personally contacted Warbros' leader Wiawyr to tell him to control the members of his clan, and ultimately banned him when he said that that would be impossible, leading to the eventual decline of Warbros.

I found an article on the wiki that goes into a bit further detail, you can look into it if you want to know more details http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Twilight053/(ARTICLE)_Warbros_vs_DE_%26_Forum_Moderators

History lesson over.
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>>173778791
>>173779126
The enemy himself? He's not that hard, but he does have a couple tricks up his sleeve. You'll have more difficulty lasting the hour than actually killing him.
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>>173779368
Huh, that seems like fun
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>>173779426
It's not
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>>173778605
>not having 1k+ from farming draco back in the day
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>>173778156
Yeah
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>>173780493
Yeah
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>>173780536
Fast
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>>173779368
Does the Atlas wall cheese still work? Last I tried solo the enemies just seemed to path around the edges and score anyway. This was on the open tileset though.

Does it only work on the more closed one with a doored room?
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>People actually minmax AOE powers so they can stand around and basically turn a game where you actively kill stuff into world of warcraft

This shit all needs to be nerfed into the ground and just fix the armor mechanic and stuff so actual combat is the way to go.

I'm so fucking tired of missions where you literally just run to the objective, play with your dick for like 15 minutes, and then run to extraction. I MIGHT AS WELL BE PLAYING AN OLD MMO WHERE YOU JUST WALK AROUND AND TOGGLE SKILLS.
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>>173780820
I have no idea, I don't have the Atlas to try it.
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>>173781126
DE is literally incapable of creating a system that involves dynamic or interactive gameplay/combat, so we just get fighting bigger bullet sponges, health gates, badly designed weakpoints, or hard CC/disables against the player, all of which are most efficiently countered by finding the cheesiest least involved method of farming because the gameplay is not the real game (it's fighting against the RNG for loot and filing up a few bars so you can fight harder against the RNG)
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>>173781126
After doing the same thing hundreds of times people tend to develop the fastest/least involved method of completing missions so they can waste as little of their time as possible to get the things they want. Give it some time, once you get to 50-100 hours played you start to understand.
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Hirudo or Venka Prime for Nezha? I'm thinking Venka for fashionframe but Hirudo has a nicer looking moveset more fitting moveset if uglier weapon.
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>>173781603

That doesn't make any sense.

If you don't enjoy playing the game at all then once you unlock the stuff you want you won't use it. Because the only thing there is to use your unlocked stuff for is the gameplay you've been avoiding to get it in the first place
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>>173779169
good lord I remember that, was quite the shitstorm.
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>>173782001
Farming and sorties / endless are two different things.
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>>173782001
That's the thing, half of the general hates the fuckin game, but they can't stop due to either sunken costs, completionist mindset, or the game's addictive or promising nature. There's so much that this game could've been, but it's heading down the road of a Chinese skinnerbox and shows no sign of stopping.
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>>173782546
>>173782001
the problem is that at its core, seemingly despite their best efforts, just moving around in the world and shooting things in warframe tends to feel pretty good; it's all the garbage heaped on top that has bogged it down and masked the ideological as well as severe technical issues present in the engine and base game, even if some of that garbage is flashy and attractive (this is the big point for their revenue perspective) or approaches actually being fun
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I just gathered all banshee's prime parts. What am I in for?
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>>173783278
Defense queen
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>>173782546
>but it's heading down the road of a Chinese skinnerbox and shows no sign of stopping.
It's been doing that since closed beta. Since the very beginning DE has been ignoring any kind of good suggestions
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>>173783341
we have nu-limbo now, though, so I'd almost say banshee is still better off primarily locking down an area than she is at aoe killing vs the crazy nukes limbo can pull off
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>>173783278
Lots of damage on glowey spots or AFK to win soundquake for DEAC
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>>173782674
I wonder how much additional revenue they could scrap (i.e enough to benefit the investment) if Conclave mode was ported out as a separate standalone game, a f2p shooter. The movement is really fun to play around. No idea how weapon/frame acquisition would work without being just plat bought.
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>>173778161
muh siphon

muh kuva
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How does the daily simaris scanning thing work? I've scanned 4 napalms but it doesn't show any progress
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>>173785657
http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Synthesis#Synthesis_Targets
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>>173785657
It has to be the one that Simaris marks as a target, not just a random Napalm
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>>173785657
This guy.
You have to look for the synthesis target using the synthesis scanner
Then scan the 4 orbs and voilà, you got yourself synthetized enemies
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>>173785742
>>173785807
>>173785816
So I need to do grineer missions and hope a napalm is the synthesis target?
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>>173785657
You need to find simaris's specific glowy blue target and scan it's four glowy parts. just any old napalm won't do shit.

you do get rep for scanning random shit though, and it can be faster than doing simaris's hunt and find, it just won't get you progress on his stupid checklist thing.
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>>173785892
Pretty much, yeah
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>>173785970
And here I thought there was a thing that didn't need rng on my side
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>>173785892
have fun
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=666483447
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>>173785892
read the fucking article man, orangeman will yell at you to tell you there is a synthesis target in the level, follow the breadcrumbs and it WILL be a target matching the host's (maybe randomly a clients too?) current target, so there's no RNG in that sense... but they're finnicky about where they spawn the targets, sometimes it won't just be any place you could find the normal unit (I have bad luck on captures, usually do exterm)
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>>173786018
This is DE we're talking about, even the updates are RNG
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>>173761530
You can't because they are through Steam on PC
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>>173786039
Neat, thanks
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>>173762338
Assuming you are using both primed crit mods and Hydraulic Crosshairs, -65.5 crit damage is EXTREMELY significant, especially since Pandero can red crit. If you use left you don't even need Hydraulic Crosshairs to red crit.
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>>173765420
should have added to my post that strun wraith has 100% status with only 3 dual stats because it has a base of 40%. idk if that changes anything.
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>>173782546
What is Todd doing there?
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>>173786039
This is outdated, isn't it?
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wut
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How would you fix Oberon?

Increase his armour by 60, and change his passive to status immunity to all frames within 15m

I'm thinking make his 1 do 15/25/35/45% of your primary (or secondary if no primary) damage as 100% Radiation with guaranteed status and replacing the projectiles with an expanding sphere that does 7/12/17/22% also guaranteed status.

His 2 should be a 5/10/15/20 square centred on him with the damage removed and the armour buff increased to 10/20/30/40% and the status buff changed to his current 3.

His 3 should have the orbs removed and simply regen health, its duration should be removed and heal 1/2/3/4%/s with a 125/150/175/200 heal on cast

His four should have it's blind duration changed to 4/6/8/10s and the cast range changed to 12/15/18/20m while the effect is changed to 2000/3000/4000/5000 Impact/Puncture/Slash in 50%/25%/25%
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>>173787314
its never failed me, the guy keeps it updated
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>>173787630
all good ideas

if i were to rework his orbs i would make them a duration, stay with allies, and give 3/5/7/10% lifesteal and 10/20/30/40% base status chance
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>>173787630
It sounds like you just want Trinity 2.0
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>>173788334
Well then, how would you fix him?
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>>173733126
If i remember correctly, they gave everyone bullet jump and replaced that with radial javelin on excal
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>>173788545
just buff his stats slightly. there are frames that are much worse than him. for example Zephyr was designed as the mobility frame and Parkour 2.0 just rekt her shit because with bullet jump everyone is Zephyr now.
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>>173788612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcvKw4EB8V8
>removing best ability
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>>173787630
First, fix his current abilities to perform based on Warframe 2017, not warframe 2013.

Smite: Make smite infusion affect Oberon as well as target, wow instantly 10000% more useful. I actually like smite as is for low level content, hardly any frames use their spamy ranged attack in high level (besides Ash)

Hallowed Ground Armor buff is a percentage based off of base armor (before steel fiber), where the augment is a flat armor increase. So Make HG multiplicative based on modified armor.

Renewal: Remove duration and make it a toggle. EASY AS FUCK FIX, GOD DAMN DE.


Reckoning blinds everyone not effected by reckoning, so you get two circles, one a direct CC and an outer circle of a blind. The problem is the blind is more powerful than the CC because of the way 2017 warframe deals with damage multipliers against blinded mobs. So make everyone in range of an affected mob become blinded, including the mob itself. Reckoning just got much better without changing the skill at all, just fixing the interaction.

Additionally, I would change oberon's passive an aura which buffs nearby player when oby uses melee weapons.
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>>173789113
I like the idea of making Renewal a toggle.
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I just finished mesa, what am I in for?
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>>173789435
6k mastery
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>>173789435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6vNg1iwuA
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>>173789435
Being annoyed by Limbos
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>>173789435
the STRONGEST warframe
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>Rad hazard sortie

who /griefing/ today?
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>>173789435
Gun-fu
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>>173790485
>pubbing sorties
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next frame when
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>>173791167
what if the next frame requires like 50 synthula to build
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>>173791295
is it a ____fun____ frame?
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>>173791350
It'll fun your socks off
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Today's Sortie vs Grineer (12/04)

1st: Exterminate on Saturn (Dione), Condition: Radiation Hazard

2nd: Interception on Earth (Eurasia), Condition: Energy Reduction

3rd: Rescue on Kuva Fortress (Garus), Condition: Enemy Phsyical Enhancement

May good rivens, potatos and legendary cores come your way.
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>>173791350
nope
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>>173791059
>being held back by pubs
carry that shit if you're so good
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>>173733504
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>>173791295
seeing as they come in batches of 5 and there is more than one way of getting them It isn't as bad as the 20 nitain for vauban prime or normal vauban
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>>173791649
not gonna wait on slowpokes
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>>173791649
>advocating waiting for pubs to catch up to friendship doors/extraction
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Is Buzzkill actually worth a shit or am I being memed

Because I bought one out of completing the slash set back when Baro brought it like a year ago and now I see people wanting to buy it for like 200 plat.

Also why the fuck does the Sibear need THIRTY FUCKING THOUSAND CRYOTIC

IT'S STATS ARE SHIT
SHIIIIIIIIT
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>>173792930
>IPS
it's a garbage mod, but it's "rare" and ups the face damage on some weapons enough that people like it
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Sortie 2 isn't fun at all, holy fuck
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>>173793023
I'm literally AFKing it in a pub right now, what's the issue?
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>>173792930
I only bought that and maim for completion's sake. Even if I could put it in a slash melee I don't actually have room for it.
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Okay, I honestly can't tell why some people are so hyped about Octavia. Am I playing her wrong?

>mallet aggro doesn't work half the time and infested outright ignore it
>if someone actually attacks it the damage is good, but still only LOS
>the resonator is drives about at random and makes the mallet useless
>metronome buffs are a waste of time unless you spam notes and get them by accident
>amp is boring, but functional

I just plop down the mallet, amp it and hope something attacks it. If they do, everything dies, if they don't I have to kill them manually. It's kinda boring for such an interesting frame theme.
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>>173792930
>buzz kill
its okay if you combine with jagged edge, since slash is the least shit IPS
>sibear
its stats are the exact same as the jat kittag, with the exception of better damage type and lower slam attack range. shut up and get busy farming
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>>173792930
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu67LydkBa0

too long didn't watch: Slash mods don't effect the slash status effect
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>>173793107
I don't have enough ammo to shoot everything that tries to use the console and not enough energy to keep them ccd
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>>173793346
I took banshee and just hid in a corner, popped energy pads when I ran out - not ideal but puggable
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>>173792930
what >>173793231 says is true
I only use slash on atterax, along with relentless combo. having only IPS means more slash procs, so it works.
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>really want atlas
>only direct damage mod for archgun is +toxin
aaaaaaaaa
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>>173793620
my atterax build doesn't have room for a slash mod with all its combo counter gimmick mods, but it's got so much slash it hardly matters for that purpose anyway (increasing proportion of procs)

>>173793231
this should be common knowledge, but this perfect storm of obscure and counterintuitive mechanics (often simply not explained at all in game) and shitters who like big face numbers in the arse lies screen makes expensive shitter traps that are great for DE's bottom line
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>>173793792
They upped the drop rate on Rubedo Barrel, do an interception.
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>>173793792
4cp runs are your best friend
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>>173793876
PPS, Preach, relentless combo, drifting contact, buzzkill, jagged edge, maiming strike, organ shatter is my damage build. swapping relentless for berserker also works
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Is vir+rad the best status combo? I heard it mentioned a lot.
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>>173794259
depends
>>173765420
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>>173781819

Hirudo comes with free Life Strike.
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>>173793792
Make sure to go 4x CP or else you're going to be there fucking forever.
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>>173794175
it's already got like 90% on status to be slash, does the extra slash damage on the actual attack help that much? not like it'll go through armor or anything

mine was something like ppp, pfury, preach, bloodrush, weeping, relentless, body, and drifting
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>>173793231
I use fanged fusillade for tigger p and dex pixia

>>173793142
In a pub corpus interception sortie a few days ago I kept a mallet up near where the enemies were funneling and it got the majority of damage and kills by itself. Its reliability scales positively with enemy level, enemy quantity and how shitty pubs are.

Resonator AI is retarded and pretty much only has any consistency in wide open areas like Corpus Outpost.

Tactical teabagging is the only good part of Metronome but it's the best stealth in the game so whatever.

Amp exists only for mallet and if you want to multiply your damage for long endurance runs you might as well go with something stronger like resonance Banshee.

All in all her stealth and energy regen are the only strong parts about her, which ends up making her really boring.
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>>173794446
the extra slash damage doesnt apply to procs, but damage is damage. If I were to have two elements on instead then i wouldnt proc slash as much, which makes relentless combo bad. buzzkill+jagged is just for on hit damage

>mine was something like
never, NEVER build crit without building 180% or more element damage
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>>173794675
>never, NEVER build crit without building 180% or more element damage
what? why? the crits apply (asymmetrically) to the procs, that's fucking huge - mine was built specifically to stack up stupid high bleed procs on everything
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>>173793928
>2.51%
fun
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>>173794795
>mine was built specifically to stack up stupid high bleed procs on everything
ah, i see. in that case your build works
BUT, strongly suggest that you dont go full status. 100% status builds only really worked on TelosBoltace 1.0. You should go for hybrid builds like this one.

also, my build in >>173794175 was wrong. i typed from memory. pic related
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>>173795007
>tfw I don't even play Arsewing
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>>173793575
I finished it now but only because I got carried since ivara completely bugged out for me.
Couldn't change weapons and my primary got replaced by an artemis bow that only shoots 1 arrow and does like 10 damage.
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Primed Point Strike when
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Is Rift Torrent buff like Rhino's roar or is it just "weapon damage" like mesa's SG etc
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>>173795085
>You should go for hybrid builds like this one.
ok, but the second armor scaling starts to fuck your shit up that outright attack damage becomes worthless

and you didn't answer my question, why would I not build crit unless I met those specific circumstances? is that some bizarre rule of thumb somebody taught you to parrot? you went against it in your build
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>proc myself with radiation
>snipe my teammates with my attica
>mfw they think the radiation is downing them
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>>173795652
DEVILISH
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>>173795085
>slash mods
>relentless combo WITHOUT Weeping Wounds

It's shit.

Replace the two slash mods with two dual stats if you want good melee procs (gas, Viral to support your slash procs) or use weeping wounds
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>>173795652
>radproc self
>stealth kill the person who was afk in the corner
>Bash the trinity over the head with hammer prime

Stealth kills on teammates are a beautiful thing
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>>173795930
Can't wait to Rift freeze some pubs today
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>>173795601
I think that rule he's parroting is because when some players hear "build for crit" they literally do nothing but put crit mods on a weapon like Soma Prime, including the shitty ones like Critical Deceleration and Hammer Shot and don't put any elementals.

One elemental combo is very important for dealing damage, that's it. Only in niche circumstances like a 100% status chance slash proc build and even then it could benefit from Viral or another element to be more effective up to lvl 100 enemies.
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Why can't we use normal mods on archshit?
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The fuck?
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>>173795601
>armor scaling
CP is still a thing you know
>why would I not build crit
no you do, you dont build full status builds. Full status builds worked for telosboltace 1.0 because the wave built combo with relentless combination.

>>173795882
>relentless combo WITHOUT weeping wounds
not worth it on a crit/status hybrid build.

also
>advocates weeping wounds
>says to use gas/viral
pick one, not both
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>>173796382
translation?
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>>173796546
Behold the thirty third
He is coming
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Who "Still Holding Onto the Broken Scepter Just in Case" here?

It's pretty trash but I don't want to fuck myself out of a War 2.0 and have yet another reason to pull my teeth out and run Kuva Fortress.
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>>173796625
>>173796759
translation?
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>>173796816
Oombrasa Primo
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>>173796781
Here. I modded mine for 100% status w. Virrad and still don't use it often. It also colours awful
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>>173796759
DOOMFIST HYPE
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>>173796382
Can anyone read the ching cong text maybe it's a clue.
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A fucking lens
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>>173796373
Except that's not a crit/status hybrid

That's a a slash based crit build with 20% status chance, when you could be proccing a crit status every 50% or more with two dual stats.

You're also missing Condition Overload
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Do Sortie enemies auto-detect you?
I wanted to solo backstab my way through an exterminate sortie but when I loaded in everyone already was already alerted and wouldn't calm down.
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>>173797231
>>173796759
there
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>>173797404
>Except that's not a crit/status hybrid
well, you know... it is
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>>173797432
Just use pocket sand Inaros.
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>>173796373
>not worth it on a crit/status hybrid build.
but that's wrong. atterax is at least as effective as tboltace was. you already want combo for blood rush, weeping wounds just helps you guarantee crit bleed procs. relentless combo is actually the weakest part of that build, if you have maiming strike going full crit with weeping wounds will get you farther. even berserker/spoiled strike has advantages over pure slash damage, since spoiled DOES boost procs.
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>>173797706
But I don't get Stealth bonus for doing that. Oh well.
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>>173797706
Wtf i hate inaros
gonna use valkyr instead
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>>173797563
I didn't know Status hybrid builds used no status mods (besides drifting contact)

Are we looking at the same picture of your build?
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>>173797791
>atterax is at least as effective as tboltace was
nowhere close friendo, at least when we are talking about status
its been less than a month, have people already forgotten?

>>173797858
maybe you are unsatisfied with my hybrid build, one that has more crit than status. this is none of my concern, since the conversation was about when it was okay to use slash mods
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>>173797513
Oh, well that wasn't any help. At least we know it's a guy.
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>>173768269
Huh, I had a sorta similar idea really, where you get to play a Tenno Operative/a non-Tenno Specter in place of your 10o and frame. You're slower, take more damage, you get no parkour but you (re)gain access to Movement 1.0's zipline, vaulting and mantling, and you get to have a cover system.
They could also do that for, say, mercs. But right now, those "mercs" are simply Corpus models. Shame, really
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>>173798038
>better at inflicting status for worse damage
since the combo counter didn't boost the waves the boltace was more reliable at being less effective. the atterax takes buildup and wasn't 100% status to start, but does more work than boltace ever did.
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>>173798257
But the atterax can never get 4000 combo counter in 60 seconds

atterax = superior damage
old boltace = superior status builds
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>>173797279
>got a lens for the past 3 days
>maybe today Ill get a new riven
>ayatan ansa
why do I even bother
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>>173797432
were their triangles partly filled? exterm sorties can have a permanent half-aware state now, but it seems inconsistent
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>>173798038
I am dissatisfied because you have labeled your build incorrectly, and the fact that you're using three useless mods. When people say to use a slash mod to increase the chance of a slash proc, that's because the weapon has elements added on as well, and the slash mod pushes back in favor. On an IPS only build for Atterax, there is no need because the slash procs are already statistically highly more likely.

And I would say since Condition Overload exists, IPS only status builds are not endgame ideal anymore when there are more optimal options.
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kuva tilesets are literal cancer
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>>173798605
>On an IPS only build for Atterax, there is no need because the slash procs are already statistically highly more likely.
that is exactly why I posted it. Read the whole conversation
hint: ctrl+F, "buzz"

and i though you had something smart to say
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>>173798701
They're great but the map sucks
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>>173798594
Yeah, they were. The grineer dogs even knew where I was at the moment the level loaded in.
>>
post captura
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>>173798817
its a crammed clusterfuck.
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Did they ever introduce the new Earth stuff yet? Steve made it look like it was done months ago.
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>>173798903
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>>173798921
yeah it's great
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>>173798736
All I got from your conversation is that you posted a slash only shit build and have TQ levels of not listening to reasonable advice.
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>>173799179
pls
>>
IVARA SKIN?!
>>
NEW AUGMENTS
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>>173797432
They always begin alerted. Whenever a Corpus exterminate is on the list I purposely blow the windows out just because that's a guaranteed way of turning off the silent alarm.
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>>173798903
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Checking to see if that Plat discount trick works. With any luck, the next time I log in, I get the 75%.
Good thing ESO is free for a week
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>>173799216
question: do you ever build buzzkill
answer: yes, here is an example

that is all. infer whatever you want from that, you have lost my interest
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HABBENING
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>>173799264
>>173799306
never mind
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>>173799391
where? what?
>>
Wow, it's fucking nothing.
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>Getting a Forma from the sortie
>Third day in a row now
My disappointment, disgust, and fury is eternal and all encompassing. The heavens do not, and will never understand how upset I am. My hate has become ever lasting, matching that of the a deathless star.
>>
Why can't I log in anymore?
>>
>>173799534
>Titania augments
>Nothing

Bitch I'll cut you

>>173799643
Never mind IT'S FUCKING NOTHING LANTERN IS STILL SHIT
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>Fixed Zenistar Charge attacks increasing the attack speed when equipped with the Dominion Skin.
well, it was fun
>>
>>173799643
>Lantern
You mean the Lantern that almost never grabs people?
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>>173799684
oh, nevermind, just great timing
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>>173799802
The same Lantern that's always floating off into space because sentinels won't stop shooting it, yes.
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Anyone interested?
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>>173799643
Is this the worst set ever? holy shit
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Thanks DE
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>>173799962
Sent ;)
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When the fuck are we getting those damn swords that tenshin has, Fucking REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>173799884
Why do you give your sentinel a gun?
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>Fixed Ash being able to insta-kill the Juggernaut by doing a finisher. Finishers are unable to be performed on the Juggernaut/Juggernaut Behemoth.

REEEEEEE
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>>173799383
>here is a build where I have put slash mods on, for no reason

you could have clicked autofill and gotten a slash mod and the build would have similar value in the eyes of question "are there any builds that use slash mods like buzzkill?"

As far as any game mechanics that support a build go.
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>DirectX Update failed

I wonder if we'll ever see the day when DE is capable of doing something right.
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>>173799962
what's that come out to, 11 bolts in the mag?
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>>173800171
Something like that yeah. But hitting 100 status is easy as pie, so I found it a worthwhile trade
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>>173799801
but did they fix the size?
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>>173799643
>inaros: vaguely kinda useful, but not worth it
>nezha: I'm not sure what this means, but i'm positive that I don't care
>ivara: don't care even a little bit
>titania: just garbage.
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>>173796759
Hey hey wait a second, "thirty-third". Might be related to the Cephalon who made the Riven mods.
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>>173799982
>>173800315
Ivara one MIGHT be good, if it works with Zenistar

Still wish they did the navigator teleport augment that the design council voted for

>>173800134
this is a post devoid of any content
t. shitpost
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>>173799643
1. Neat but no Inaros will give up being the swolest motherfucker in the room
2. I honestly forgot Firewalker was even a thing and I just finished leveling Nezha, and I have no idea what this does but I'm certain it's still useless.
3. Can't think of anything to use this with that doesn't already crit ultra hard in the first place
4.
>implying anything but trolling shitters use lantern in the first place to make enemies invincible
>Implying Lantern ever works as enemy bait
>Implying anyone would bother with waiting for enemies to be baited for the bonus damage when they could just slide attack a second time
Literally the only purpose this has is to Lantern something, hope to god it actually grabs a crowd, and then kill things ever so slightly faster because everyone is using Gally Prime or Atterax.

Lantern is literally only good as a pocket, single enemy Reckoning or whatever Oberon's 4 is called. Catch an enemy with it, then press 3 again to make them explode. That's it.
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>>173798831
partly-filled means no stealth bonus for you (usually, sometimes not if they've been irradiated or harmed by the environment and don't know about your presence)
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>>173800263
Nope just checked, it's the same big ass size you get on the Zenistar.
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>>173800374
your seething hardcore calm down
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>>173800325
asmodeus? what does thirty-third have to do with him?
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33rd just means it's the 33rd warframe, if you're not counting the primes
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This is seriously the crap they came out with? I thought the vexillus looked like shit but this one seems to be worse.
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>Tweaked rewards for Caches in Void Sabotage missions so that the harder mission is more rewarding overall.


Who wants to bet that the fix was that they nerfed the lower tier ones rather than buffed the higher tier?
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>>173800405
>Firewalker
It's shit
You leave a trail behind you that does fire damage, and it increases your sprint speed. Oh, and if you kill something with Chakram it explodes a healing burst
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>>173800756
It looks like a leather carpet
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>>173800756
You're supposed to take command with that imposing cloak, fucking retard.
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>>173800756
>another shitty "unique" flap of cloth on a weird mounting bracket stuck to your shoulders
WHY CAN'T THEY JUST TOUCH UP THE GODDAMN CLOTH PHYSICS AND GIVE US A FUCKING SCARF REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>Fixed a Vaulted Relic being rewarded as Daily Tribute

gay
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>>173800814
I'd say you've been playing this game too long but we both know you're probably right.
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>>173800632
I remember him saying a set of numbers, think it might also be related to Riven capacity, pretty sure all the numbers he said is related to a real-world concept, perhaps about a trinity? Power of three? Can't remember honestly
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>>173800975
I didn't even know you could get relics from daily tributes. For me it's always

>5k credits
>morphics
>morphics
>gallium
>morphics
>20% discount
>2 hour drop chance booster
>morphics
>endo
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>>173796382

Please be a warframe based off of war machine from marvel. I want dat shoulder cannon.
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>>173800892
There's a scarf in the Tennogen store, 10o :^)
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Is this worth selling or should I just keep rerolling?
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>>173796382
>Dead infested

Vaccine frame?
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>>173801332
>Crit chance for a status weapon

Some retard might give you some pocket change for it.
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cookingframe when
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>>173800756
capeshit was a mistake
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>>173801332
> multishot and fire rate
I mean... it's not the worst. You could probably get enough to buy yourself a fistful of slots/potatoes/forma out of it.
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Okay, how the fuck does the Kuva Fortress rescue work?

We can't even open the door, and since the alert triggers instantly in Sorties we don't have time to find the correct entrance.
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>>173801332
not the worst, but it would be worth more if you got status chance
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Is buzlok any good after the buffs or is it still just a hot garbage with a niche alt fire?
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>>173801189
oh yeah? show me, steverino, if it's a real scarf that loops around the neck I might shell out some goybucks, but all I'm seeing is more weird back-mounted bullshit because that's all that the typical syandana rig works for and thus what tennogen is restricted to
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>>173802065
just like every spy or rescue mission: there's another way in

props where due, DE tends to at least offer the illusion of choice in some aspects like this
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>>173802325
Can't find the other way in because we only have 1 minute.
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>>173802575
play the non sortie version if you wanna explore for the alternate way in
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>>173801101
We currently have 32 warframes. You're looking too much into it.
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I can't redeem syndicate emblems. I had at least 100 of them stored up, tried to turn them in, and it didn't let me. Anyone else have this problem?
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>>173802762
11 x 3 = 33

9/11 happened on September 11th, 2001

11+1 = 12

12 +12 + 12 = 36

36-4 = 32

32 + 1 = 33

33RD FRAME CUNTFIRM
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>>173803116
please you need to go fucking back
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>>173803116
OMG XDDD
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AkSicarus Prime confrimed
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>>173803382
>>173803404
>newfriends don't understand ironic shitposting

its okay, I just joined 4chan.org a few weeks ago, I love this community :)
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>>173803116
how the fuck can you do a muh conspiracies joke with the number 33 and not mention the masons
like god damn man did you find about this meme yesterday
i'm so angry i need to go outside
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>>173803491
ironic shitposting is still shitposting
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>>173803691
and?

i love shitposting, because it triggers aspies

I especially love shitposting when TQ is around because he gets the most triggered
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what elements do you use on your tigris prime?
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>>173804068
slash
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>>173804068
magnetic
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>Resource Drop Chance from sortie
Why are these even in the sortie rewards
Same with forma.

>>173804068
All of them with as much multishot and raw damage up as possible.
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>>173804153
just got a naramon lens and I have already maxed out the entire naramon tree

consider yourself fortunaet
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If I put some ranks into a riven and then reroll the riven will it keep the rank?
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>>173804445
I would have rather have another lens to put on my new rakta dagger so I could farm focus, at this point.

Suppose I should stock up on Orikin Cells and get around to building the argon crystal stuff, then.
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>Host migration failures now just straight up freeze your game

BRAVO DE
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Those new augments.. Oh fuck. I'm laughin
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Does the Ferrox come with punchtrough? If not, does it need it?
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>>173805887
Ferrox has an innate punchthrough value of "Don't even worry about it"

It's basically a better Opticor for less base damage.
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>tfw just had to break the news to some guy in region chat that Zephyr Prime is not, in fact, a thing and that she is likely years away, possibly never before DE folds up on itself
I've never seen a man so torn up about something before.
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>>173807221

Source.
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>>173807221
Why would you lie to the man? Pretty sick to abuse Zephyr players like that imo.
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>>173807426
Source is the fact that DE takes fucking forever to do goddamn anything. That man will be as burned out as a used cigarette by the time Zephyr P comes out.

Hell, I'm not even sure of Oberon P is the next. They could just make a new fucking frame, or finally do that Umbra bullshit out of nowhere.
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>>173806289
Oh, okay. But should i slap shred on it for the faster charge up time? Or am i better off with something else?
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BRAVO DE GREAT FUCKING PATCH
>Host migration
>Crash
>Reconnect
>Get this shit, can't do anything except Alt+F4
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173796382<<
will be shit
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Is this worth anything?
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>>173808895
>+Zoom

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

no.
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>>173808895
>riven for new shiny gun
probably
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Does weapon damage mean anything for corrosive procs and stripping armor?

Can I just get an ultra fast weapon with shit damage, fast fire rate, and high status and use it as an armor stripper? Or does it also have to be moderately decent at doing damage?
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>>173796382
Excaliber Umbra pls DE
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My UI now loads stuff really fucking slowly going through my mods is a fucking pain.
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>>173809121
damage has nothing to do with amount of armor stripping, but stripping armor to zero with corrosive procs alone is very inefficient.
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>>173800756
>using this shit to have an excuse not use that torn cape plowing through the steam workshop
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>>173807823
Besides they don't even do Primes in release order. Trinity/Ash/Volt prime didn't get released until 2015 despite the originals being some of the original frames.
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>>173808463
that shit has happened to me twice during a host migration this month.

>>173808895
someone might buy it to reroll for themselves just because it is a new gun but probably not for a ton. If it had crit damage/chance+damage+multishot then yeah you could instantly sell if for a shit ton of plat.
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>>173809303
never EVER
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>Try to play game
>do sortie
>Lose interest when doing interception

caffeine withdrawal, it is real.
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Why are these new augments shit? Why can't they just add good things into the game. I've never been so underwhelmed.
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>>173810548
It's not caffeine withdrawal it's that interception is shit
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>>173812163
>I've never been so underwhelmed.
You weren't here when Lunaro was announced, then. It literally might as well have been nothing.
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>add option to bandaid "fix" the new fucked ui scaling
>universally break how mods are displayed in the weapon/frame upgrade screen
bravo
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>>173812163

>Why are these new augments shit?

They are voted on by the design council.

The design council is dominated by official forum memesters who don't understand the game's mechanics.

The only way to join the design council now is to be a forum memester because there are 25 slots per month and they give them to whoever makes the biggest splash that month, not whoever found the most bugs or gave the best advice.
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Is punch-thorugh a meme stat?
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>>173814064
No.
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>>173814064
Yes
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>>173814064
Maybe.
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Fuck whoever made today's sortie.
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>>173814064
Can you repeat the question?
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>>173814064
I don't know
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>>173814486
>>173814441
>>173814372
>>173814236
>>173814636
Red crits or punch-through which would is a bigger meme
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>>173814754
define meme
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>>173815096
shitty nonsense that should be ignored at all times
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wew, I think this makes up for having to take to time to finish the Sedna junction. Got a credit booster off of it too
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>>173815163
ah okay then

>>173814754
RED CRITS
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>>173814754
>Redcrits
Good if you can get it easily enough, but I wouldn't put the effort in to get a 10% crit chance weapon to red crit. It's not THAT necessary. Even if those red numbers are juicy as fuck. Anyone who didn't says they don't get a stiffy from doing literally six digits of edge red damage is lying through their teeth.

>Punch-through
Absolutely mandatory on non-explosive weapons for the later end of the star chart and post-DEAC, barring specific exclusions (most secondaries). You fight crowds 20 people deep at times; plinking away at them one at a time will not only take forever, but in the higher level missions is just asking to get buttfucked by the swarm of dudes. Moreso if your primary is also a form of CC via status procs.
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So I have never played this before except maybe like a day years ago. Would it be a bad time to start with a friend? Are things lively and group finding easy? How much will you really have to spend to get the full experience as opposed to selling your soul to the grind for years?
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>>173815992
RUN
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>>173815992
>How much will you really have to spend to get the full experience as opposed to selling your soul to the grind for years?
Either you buy plat or you grind long enough that a farmer's hat shows up in mail with your username on it.

If you don't want grind, just go. Turn back, find another general. Do not let Warframe into your life.
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*SMACKS LIPS*

DID SOMEONE SAY RED CRIPS
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>>173813664
These were not voted for
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>>173813664

>They are voted on
J U S T.

Why the fuck? Why are they putting that kind of things in the hands of anyone but themselves? How hard is it to look at what makes the existing augments good / viable and go from there. God this game is so fucked. The only time decent augments get put into the game is by fucking accident, and then they "fix" them.
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>>173816427
>There are people in this thread who don't want multi-million damage numbers
BUT WHY
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>>173816604

Because red crits are L I T E R A L L Y meaningless. You could achieve the same thing with one yellow crit and some jumper cables.
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>>173816604
>There are people who think you need a Kitty tied with whatever bullshit the OP has

SHIEET I DUNNO
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how th eFUCK do you do the kuva rescue sortie?
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>>173816736
Says the Forumite who can't get R E D C R I T S
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>>173816552
>not voted for
??
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>>173816957

who needs red crits when you have the professor's wise teachings. Go back to class, kiddo :^)
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>>173816736
Can someone remind me why redcrits are supposedly meaningless?
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>>173816867
>he doesn't know how to do kuva rescue
neither do I, but I know you can follow the warden into the room with the cells if you're invisible
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>>173816581

>Why are they putting that kind of things in the hands of anyone but themselves?

Design council was initially filled by paid founders and beta testers who showed they knew what they were talking about. But over the many years since the game was released, most of that crowd have moved on to other things, and DE has replaced them with idiots.

You know Reinforcing Stomp? When that was voted on, the other suggestions for it were for Stomp to open enemies to Finisher damage or to cause heavy Impact-style damage epicentres when they hit the floor. Reinforcing Stomp won in a landslide because retards can't into an unranked Iron Shrapnel if they're really worried about maintaining Iron Skin.

>>173816552

They're retarded enough that I can easily believe the DC memed them out.
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>>173817403
>the other suggestions for it were for Stomp to open enemies to Finisher damage or to cause heavy Impact-style damage epicentres when they hit the floor
>we got this shit instead
kill me
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>>173802163
yeah it's pretty good if you put the usual forma in.

It's still a flight-speed rifle so that has it's usability problems but statwise it's fun and has decent DPS even before altfire bonus.
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>Warframe's new launcher

DE continues to slap us in the face with everything they do.

Is this imagery suppose to make us believe Chroma melted the grineer foes on the ground with his Power 1? Implying his Power 1 does damage?

Forget the melted Grineer Manic on the ground, forget the fire on the ground that damage Warframes because realism, forget that Chroma's idle animation does not shoot fire in game, forget DE chose to not re-work Chroma's craptastic Power 1 and it's Shitastic Augment

Forget everything you know
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>>173817323

TQ did math. It didn't go well.

This being said, it is a pretty dumb move to pull out all the stops just to get a 101% crit chance by piling on Argon Scope, Critical Delay, and Point Strike. At least one of those slots can be better spent on something else.

But getting to or above 100% crit with just one mod, two at the outside (I run Crit Delay on my Rakta Cernous because its draw speed is already huehuehuehuehue and I like the guaranteed crits) isn't that bad of an idea if you build smart.
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>>173817323
redcrits suffer from diminishing returns, when you get over 100% crit chance and actually proc a red crit, you get an additional n-1 multiplier where n is the stated crit multiplier on top. if tou could get to over 200%, then that triple crit would apply 3n-2 multiplier. simply increasing the base damage being multiplied quickly gives better returns statistically.

what naysayers of redcrits either don't realize or don't care about is that 100% crit chance drastically improves the damage floor and consistency of damage from a weapon, so while they focus on mean DPS, the change to variance resulting from redcrits is substantial
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>>173817662
>Piling on Argon Scope, Crit Delay, PS

Want me to tell you how I know you don't know how to mod or play Warframe? Want me to tell you how I know you watch top rank Warframe youtube channels to craft your builds?

Leddit please go and stay go
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>>173816867
>doing kuva rescue sortie
>manage to get into the cell room as octavia
>alarm already triggered
>20 seconds left
>4 cells to open
>some random limbo from the outside keeps nuking, interrupting my hacking every time
>1 second left
>hack finished
>hostage was in the cell I just happened to be hacking
It all turned out okay.
And then everyone called the limbo a moron.
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>>173817662
This, if you can get super easy red crits (Like with the Dread) then not going for red crits is retarded because you'll get them anyways with a basic crit build. A literal poverty basic crit build with a potato for maxed mods can get the Dread to red crit.
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>>173817686
>the change to variance resulting from redcrits is substantial
wrong. that variance decrease results from hitting 100% crit, not redcritting. In fact, aiming for redcrits actually INCREASES variance, if you have 50% redcrit that means 50% of your shots aren't redcritting.

Redcrits has, and always will be, a meme. The way people think about redcrits is entirely incorrect. They think it's a massive buff to damage. They are W R O N G.
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>>173817995
>Pub Kuva Rescue
>Everything dies left and right
>Get to Cell Room
>Alarm Goes Off
>Kill the only stupid Ancient in the Room
>Kuva Horn plays a few seconds later
>Make Hostage go Invisible
>Flawless Kuva Boom
>Everyone meme melees all the way to extraction

>Happens every time I run Kuva anything since it's release

/wfg/ are shitters
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>>173817662
>literally just summarizes the results of the calculations I did while simultaneously saying said calculations "didn't go well"
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>>173817984
>this whole post
oh please do tell
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>>173817984

>failed reading comprehension: the post

I was already saying doing that was dumb.

Anyone who has half a brain and has done any testing already knows that Argon Scope is a useless, shitty mod that is outperformed by Bladed Rounds on any crit primary. The only reason I even have an AS in my collection is mod OCD, must have all the things.
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we done did a good one today boys
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>>173817662
>>173818115

This is what I figured.

>>173818320
gotohellTQ
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>>173818320
Weren't you banned
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>>173818136
>>173818320

Dude, no. Like everything, you came out with some idiotic thesis statement, got hilariously BTFO'd by anons who could do the DPS math correctly, and then did major damage control by changing your argument and claiming the math and other posters supported what you were saying.

Please go back to avatarfagging so it's easier to filter you.
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One day we will be able to post our builds with confidence.

One day our posted builds will not die from the hands of Digital Extremes.

We used to help each other out here. We used to share builds with confidence. Now we just debate with both parties leaving out the real meat of the conversation due to DE's Nerf spies.
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>Post Red Crit Image
>Watch thread catch fire
>TQ appears
Every time.
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>>173818553
>I'm too stupid to understand the original calculations, so I'm just going to blindly take the side of the people disagreeing with the guy I dislike
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>>173818136
>aiming for redcrits actually INCREASES variance
you're retarded. every mention of redcrits except from your godforsaken mouth has been in reference to a weapon that has reached >100% critical chance. no one talks about redcritting to mean specifically the act of triggering a red number except people trying to trigger TQ, and no one has aimed to increase crit chance as far over 100% as possible unless it was ironic or for the sake of fucking around. moreover it doesn't increase variability because the difference between the damage on a regular crit and a redcrit will always be lower than the difference between flat damage and a regular crit, because redcrits always use a lower multiplier, there will always be a smaller range for the variance to occupy, so you're doubly wrong.
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>>173817094
>>173817403
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>>173818973
>100% crit chance
>every shot deals the same amount of crit damage
>150% crit chance
>50% of shots deal regular crit damage, 50% deal redcrit damage
>"less variance"
what did he mean by this?
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>>173818828
I'm almost sorry I asked what the fuss was about.
But there can only be so much fussing for so long before I need a reminder on whatthefuck was the point in the first place.
so sorrynotsorry
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>>173818320
please stop using such cute reaction images. i'd like to use them without being associated with you or filtered.
thank you.
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Should I keep Nezha?
Stacking Maglev and his lubed ass is more fun than I expected.
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>>173819042
>Teleport navigator
I'd keep shurikens on hand just for this, holy shit.
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>>173819329
he's very fast and I say that makes him pretty fun and worth keeping. sometimes I get tired of bullet jumping and just want to slideand roll for crazy speed.
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>>173819329
ornly faggots use nezha, fuk off
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This is right from the pastebin for secondary weapon builds

Hornet strike, Barrel Diffusion, Lethal Torrent, Pathogen Rounds, Deep Freeze(viral)/convulsion(corrosive), primed heated charge or the regular one, scorch and pistol pestilence

I thought you build crit on the Pandero for example? what would the build be then
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>>173819104
>implying any gun has ever had exactly 100% crit chance
>ignoring the part where he pointed out that going further over 100% than necessary was stupid
>ignoring the point that there is less variance between crit->redcrit than there is from nocrit->crit
ignoring half of the opposition's words doesn't make you win an argument. please go back to swallowing your millions of dicks.
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>>173819750
you either build crit/ele damage for the primary fire, or crit/status for the secondary
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I think this hotfix broke some shit. It's now impossible for me to join games without a DC and shit just seems borked.

>>173819750
Add the crit mods. It's not rocket science.
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>gold vs blue tater invasion
Get on that shit
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Donkey Kong is fun
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>>173819750
Hornet Strike,, Barrel Diffusion Lethal Torrent, Primed Pistol Gambit, Primed Target Cracker, two elements, primed heated charge

for Pandero you might like two dual status mods for your primary elemental combo there.
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>>173819042
https://forums.warframe.com/topic/785885-ivaras-augment-insults-design-council-titanias-augment-is-beyond-terrible/

well that didn't take long
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Alright, there's been a lot of misconceptions about how redcrits work, so here's a full summary of all the relevant, objectively correct points.

1. Redcrits do not give a massive increase in your DPS. Many people seem to think that the ability to redcrit deals huge amounts of damage. A lot of people throw mods like Critical Delay and Argon Scope on their guns in an attempt to redcrit. Most egregiously, I've seen people selling Rivens for huge amounts because they "allow X gun to redcrit!" These people are all WRONG.

2. That being said, redcrits are never BAD. You're still going to get more damage if you have 110% crit compared to 100% crit. The damage increase from 100% -> 110% is simply the same from 90% -> 100%, or 80% ->90% (depending on who you ask, redcrits can be even WORSE due to diminishing returns).

3. For some weapons - in particular, slow-firing weapons like snipers - hitting 100% crit chance is desirable because it increases consistency. But in this case, it's hitting 100% that's important, NOT redcritting. And you're not doing it for a damage increase, but for consistency. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION. In fact, using mods like Critical Delay to hit 100% crit chance often SACRIFICES overall DPS for consistency.

(Point 3 is contentious. I personally don't subscribe to it because I believe everything in a horde shooter washes out to averages, but many people think consistency is important and it's a valid point).

4. Related to point 3, hitting 100% crit chance can also be important if you're religious about aiming for headshots, because of the difference between a headcrit compared to a regular headshot or a regular crit. This is the ONLY case where Argon Scope can be good (and even then it's arguable due to headshot % and aim-down annoycances). But again, the emphasis is on 100% crit, not redcrits.

That's the explanation for the "redcrits are a meme" argument. Now you're smarter than 99.9% of the warframe playerbase, including the devs.
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>>173819750
the first three are a given on any secondary. crit secondaries use primed target cracker and pistol gambit in addition. the last three are a bit up to preference, dualstats if it can be a half-and-half gun, which the pandero can, as can akstilleto. usually primed heated charge just for damage. if you can't use the status then hollow point, or whatever the secondary equivalent of bladed rounds is, or just some 90% elementals work. sometimes you might want seeker or speed trigger or some other utilty in one slot, but the pandero's fine without.
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>>173819750

Hornet Strike, Barrel Diffusion, (Primed) Pistol Gambit and (Primed) Target Cracker are mandatory on crit secondaries.

I would then go for Lethal Torrent, Primed Heated Charge or a Riven and either two dual-stat mods or full elemental mods depending on how much Forma you want to drop. You could experiment with Sharpened Bullets in one slot if you have it too.

>>173818972

>i'm too assblasted from being wrong and people remembering it so i'll accuse everyone else of being liars

I was there. Your math did not support your initial claims and conclusions.
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>>173820051
>power throw
>new
>3
wew
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>>173820230
>Your math did not support your initial claims and conclusions.
you either have no idea what the the math actually said, or what the actual argument was. What did you think my argument was? What did you think my math showed?
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>>173820046
>interception
I guess I'll just be lazy with ember
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>>173819439
The combos would be fucking sick just like in naruto
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>>173820253
whats the mastery rank for euphona prime?
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>>173820197
i tried asking nicely. don't make this ugly.
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>>173820253
I love wasting resources on transumation pls no bully
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>>173820253
If you get rid of all of one mod, the next time you get one it says it's new.
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>>173820197
>TQ thinks he's smart even though he still refuses to accept redcritting as shorthand for >100% crit chance
how can you think you're so smart when you're obviously this inarticulate? you are like the picture of autism
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>>173820717
>>100% crit chance
once again you display an incredible talent for sticking to your original, wrong way of thinking while ignoring a wall of text that objectively explains why you are wrong
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>see someone mention red crits
>smile to myself
>do some work
>come back to a thread past the bump limit
>smile some more
you made my day a bit better, thanks anons
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>>173820859
>>173820859
>>173820859
>>173820859

migrate
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>>173817323
I was just memeing, but these two explained it well enough.
>>173817686
>>173817662
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>>173817403
>other suggestions for it were stomp to open enemies to finisher damage

W A K E M E U P
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The only good thing about the hotfix is the armor set.
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>>173822807
>looks like hot trash
wow anon, you must really really hate those augments
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