/dsg/ - Souls General

FromSoft should remove all dogs and wolves from this game. They are so fucking wonky in every single way from moving to attacking.

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Dear /dsg/, what did Miyazaki mean by this?

>>173710050
This desu, I hated fighting the consumed king for this reason

>>173710050
Why should they remove food?

>>173710050
I agree with dogs being wonky, but they shouldn't be removed, just improved.
Wolves are fine though, I don't see what the problem is there. Except maybe their lack of self-preservation.

The fuck did they do to Onislayer? It doesn't stun until the blades land. It's fucking garbage now.

>>173710159
>DUDE I-FRAMES LMAO

Post you are Dark Souls combat jams.

https://youtu.be/Q6zU87xJoBk

Why do you guys not fap to sister freide?

>>173710361
shes ugly lol

>>173710050
circle strafing them works surprisingly well
lock on, walk to right and hit them after they attack

>>173710361
no porn of her.
She is best 3 waifu

>>173710361
Theres not enough porn

>>173710361
She's a filthy traitor

>>173710481
Why isn't there any porn of her?

What thrust weapons do the most damage on counter hits?

Looking for something to pair with a shield.

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Does two handing the demon fist halve the strength requirement?

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>>173709979
Why is Force the most hilarious spell in gaming?

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>>173707085
>Haven't played DeS, but I guess Yurt's
>Lord's Blade
>Either Heide Knight (Especially with the Iron Mask) or Manikin (Especially with the trailer version of the mask)
>Haven't played BB, don't really know any

>watching old DaS PvP videos
>GFWL notification pops up

I forgot just how much I hated GFWL, but it's all coming back to me now. I didn't think anything would ever manage to be shittier than Gamespy but those guys found a way.

>>173710656

It's really invaluable in invasions, what I don't understand is why they made the FP cost so goddamn high this game.

>>173710645
No, and it doesn't for any paired weapon
And you dont get two hand STR scaling bonuses either

>>173710739
FP cost is probably high because it was just way too easy to spam with minimum investment in previous games.

>>173710645
Wielding a weapon with both hands gives you an effective 50% STR bonus. 10 becomes 15, 30 becomes 45, and 40 becomes 60.

>>173710585

Thrusting attacks are counter-hits by nature. They all work the same as long as you are hitting someone in their attack frames. The highest damaging type would be an UGS charged r2.

Let's be honest, DaS3 has the best invasions and only casuals would say otherwise.

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I live in Japan and no one plays on PC, cooping takes a while and invading is laggy as fuck.

Is anyone whiling to donate some embers?

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Best SLs for

>low level invasions/ganking
>high level frequent invading/being invaded (dried finger)
>invading in catacombs
>invading in irithyll
>invading in irithyll dungeon/profaned city
>invading in either of the DLC
or just
>having the highest probability to encounter pvp at all

>>173710942
das3babies who watched pvp montage videos of giant dads one shotting people in the burg and think pvp should be about "invaders always wins" are the ones that bitch about das3 pvp

What the fuck is this onion-headed motherfucker doing here? I WATCHED YOU DIE!

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and this

is why i love the damn WA on these maces

>>173710332
https://youtu.be/j5hxJPaQsUk

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>>173710681
This outfit makes me so fucking angry

I wanted this outfit in DS2 but WHY DID THEY ADD THAT STUPID FUCKING STONE MASK INSTEAD?

WHY DID DS2 FAIL SO FUCKING BAD ON LAUNCH?

>>173710942
Bait post, but I don't mind DaS3's invasions too much. There's valid criticism you can throw at it, but there's also just a group of shitters upset that they can't one shot retards in the first area too. I tend to just take these games for what they are all of the shit included.

>>173710873
Yeah but that wouldn't pair well with a shield

>>173711064
>Trying to parry 2h greathammer
What the fuck was he thinking.

I've been waiting for what feels like almost a year now for SotFS to go on sale for Steam and the shit is still $40.

I just want the game at a discount so I can finally abandon the shitfest that is DS3. I've never had remotely as much fun in this game as I have on DS2 Iron Keep Bridge

>>173711146
>the stone mask
Something something Naruto and its Anbu

>>173710991
>and invading is laggy as fuck
This is true for literally everyone desu

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>try to block with the door shields
>takes an eternity to even start blocking
>stability isn't even that good for the investment you're making

>>173711219
Its been on sale multiple times on ps4 store

>>173711167
It's not bait, you get incredibly nice stuff like obscuring and cat rings and some maps are absolutely huge giving you tons of opportunities to ambush the players.

Killing a host who has 3 phantoms and a seeded world is incredibly satisfying.

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>>173711223
FUCKING WEEBS RUINING EVERYTHING

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>/dsg/ says invaders have it tough
>invade a world
>one shot the host

? ?? ?

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>It's an 'opponent won't come near you and spams lightning arrow over and over again' episode
I fucking hate this meme.

>>173710942
SIP SIP SIP SIP SIP SIP SIP SIP

>>173711265
Remember DaS1 and it having nearly all R2s being fucking useless? It's Miyazaki.

>Backpedalling forever

>>173710207
I can regularly get all of the first wolves you see in the painted world to jump off the edge of the cliff if I want to.
That shit just cracks me up

>>173710942

Healing is too easy.

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>>173711397
WAHHHHHH WHY ISNT EVERYONE A 40/40 MELEE BUILD WAAAAAH
WAGGHHH

>>173711343
Fair enough - Like I said, I agree with you. I mostly invade though, since DeS and I guess not ever taking part in the 1v1 honor shit means I don't get worked up when hosts and phantoms resort to scummy shit.

I've had some ridiculously fun DaS3 invasions where I've harassed the host since the start of the level (first DLC comes to mind) with me burning through additional healing items and consumables and them responding in turn with shit like the seed etc. It's satisfying.

>>173711265
You're doing it wrong
Don't begin the L2 up close
Use the rolling L1 for this (which has instant block frames and is basically gotthards tier)
You can instantly enter block stance from this

>>173711546
>People constantly spamming the same tactic isn't annoying
OK lightningfag

>>173711396
>My single experience is a significant sample size and representative of the millions of other experiences had by different players

BAKA!

Is the scythe of nahr alma a good weapon for a hexer?

>>173710585
Like shield pokes? Lothric long spear or crow quills
if not, halberd or lucerne

des
>invader advantage
das
>invader advantage
das2
>invader advantage
bb
>invaders didnt exist
das3
>host advantage
>people cry

Are invaders the biggest babies of the souls community?

>>173711397
*unzips lighting infused lothric knight shield*
heh seems you met your match kid... maybe next time don't put your FAITH in a non existent god
*lags behind you*

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>>173711146

>it's a gael's greatsword episode

>>173711657
>das2
>>invader advantage

Arguable. Seeds exist, phantoms can't even heal, and the level design was so shitty in DaS2 there was rarely good places to ambush the host.

>>173711657
>mfw the entirety of Soulbrandt quit souls due to DaS3
The host advantage is intended, Miyazaki is literally /ourguy/ purging the streamer filth from the community.

>>173711584
then you're slapping off about 1/3 of your stamina just to block instantly
i'm more concerned about the actual shield part of the shield being effective

>>173711732
almost everywhere you could invade had some ledge you can lob people off with the zweihander

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>>173711213
if at first you don't succeed

>>173711696
>It's a LMAO2UGS user from Brazil episode

>>173711761
Rolling L1 only costs 20 stamina or so anon
Also you can't actually be guard broken during the L2-R1, abuse this

Are you using chloranthy+3 and green blossom? You should be

>>173711657
No game has ever had an invader advantage because the host has always had the fastest heals or a way to turn the enemy on you. Possibly excepting DeS

So, Cheat Engine forum doesn't have any tables anymore? What the fuck?

>>173711752
>Soulbrandt
literally who?
>>173711732
the only option had against invaders was entering fog gate, but you could backstab them as an invader. Hosts had no escape

>FPS drops in some areas and just straight up worse FPS in others that were fine previously
what the absolute fuck did they do to the game with TRC? I'm not the only one either, I've been seeing people drop mentions of this since the DLC released

>>173711696

I can only imagine how Pontiff and Arena are full of people abusing the shit out of Gael's. I really only invade so I don't see it much.

>>173711474
Yeah I got maybe half of them to jump off when I ran through that area on my sl 20

>>173711829
>it's a passive fire surge from australia episode

>>173711829
>its a summon who fucks you over in the Spears bossfight, changes outfit to the Painting Guardian set and starts healing the invaderboss with Warmth

Thank you NOTaPGUARDIAN for that...

>>173711916
what a shame

>>173711604
>anime combo WA weapons
>not spamming the same tactic over and over

t. Gaels GS user

>>173711928

So you pop a seed and summon your phantom army and they lose to attrition because they literally can't heal without a miracle.

>>173711638
>Lothric long spear

Yes shield and poke but doesn't great lance hit harder than lothric spear?

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>>173711681
They didn't even try.

They just made some ugly fucking mask for some potentially unique but then made pointless enemy.

Fuck off, B team.

>>173711657
>stop ruinin muh pee vee pee
>stop ruinin muh pee vee ee
Everybody who plays this game is a fucking baby.

>>173711891
chloro yes, blossom no. does it not take any stamina away if you block with the attack?

also bullshit on those numbers, the roll and attack together cost about 60

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>>173711031
>>173711031
>>173711031
>>173711031

Is Black Flame useful? What are some pyromancies that aren't Vestiges that are good?

>>173712091
Yeah but greatlance is shit

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Is ubadachi and/or warden twin blade hollow build still the best/good damage?

Anyone have an outline? Pic unrelated

>>173712117

The final design fits more with Dark Souls imo, the original one looked like what some villain from DC comics would use

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>>173712048
Yes, people who spam Gaels are annoying. People who spam lightning arrow are annoying. People who spam chaos frisbee/blacksnake are annoying. People who spam CSS are annoying. People who spam quickstep are annoying. People who spam ANY shitty tactic are annoying, I don't have a hateboner for ranged specifically you fucking mong.

>>173712180
It has same attack speed and range as lothric spear right?

>>173712137
PvE is the focus of these games, getting things nerfed because of PvP is fucking retarded. PvP will never be balanced, and From should stop catering to the vocal minority and ruining the PvE side of things..

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>>173710361
She's a silly edgelord.
Also, those who worship serpent cocks can't be waifus.

>>173712228
so 98% of the community?

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>>173711996
kek

>>173712240
While shieldpoking? I'm pretty sure it's shorter.
Otherwise it has a completely different moveset.

>>173712184
Luck builds are completely fucked, didn't even get a single weapon or spell in the DLC and best of all they nerfed the fuck out of Carthus Rouge.

In the current Meta you go Strenght or you go home. Don't even try bringing those tiny Twinblades or Katanas near a Gaels Greatsword or double UGS.

>>173712184
Warden Twin Blades are the best bleed weapon right now. But you want to go Sharp.

>taking duels seriously in the souls games
lol

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>hit by gael sword R1
>get combo'd into the WA of course
>roll away, at least a football field between me and host
>hits anyway
either this is blatant lack of testing or some pay2win shit they're giving us, like with the +3 rings

>>173712184
Warden twin blades bleed infused is way better than hollow with carthus since they nerfed rouge. Probably the same with Ubadonkey if youre looking to do the bleed combo, or hollow if you want to use it for damage other than bleed.

I wish they didnt exclude Harald`s set head from DLC.
It could have been so awesome for fashion.

>>173712310
Not 98% but a disappointingly large number, yes.

>>173712393
>like with the +3 rings

That was the dumbest shit.
Melee builds can just frolic to the DLC and get all the best rings for their build

Casters builds have to go through 3 NG cycles just to get their shit

Why did they shit on sorcery so much in this game?

>>173712467
Please buy Fire Fades thanks anon

>>173712207
>>173711681
>>173712117
Something about Naruto and plagiarism

>>173712249
>vocal minority
If you aren't vocal, how are you ever going to get catered to?

Besides, lots of PVP based changes positively affected PVE. Bleed/Rouge, for example. That shit was straight up broken against things it had no right being broken against.

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>ringed knight paired greatswords
>OP
just use perseverance dude

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>>173712207
THEY MADE A WORSE VERSION OF THE PINWHEEL MASKS

THEY COULD HAVE JUST ADDED THE PINWHEEL MASKS

WHY DID THEY ADD THESE BLAND AF MASKS THAT HAVE NO SIGNIFICANCE

JUST ADD FATHER MASK INSTEAD

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>>173712467
That'll be another $59,99 for the GOTY edition please

Reminder that if you haven't played Demon's Souls you're not a true souls fan and your opinion about any of the games is invalid

>>173712518
Something something trivialized DeS-DaS2.

>>173712515
>Still no meaningful way to regen FP
Id take an option that sacraficed HP to regen FP
But NOT dusk ring
Like a blood sacrafice thing
Or a ring that made all FP costs translate into HP damage

>>173712528
Are they actually planning on adding something new in it?

>>173712567
The best part of that webm is the fact that he started another animation, and so could have easily rolled away after the completely free L1 and faced no consequences.

Perseverance is such a great meme.

>>173712701
>Ashen Estus
>Ashen Estus Ring
>Simple Infusion

>>173712682
Reminder if you haven't played Bloodborne you're not a true souls fan and your opinion about any of the games is invalid

>>173712702
+4 and +5 rings most likely with the current pay2win cashscam they got going on

>>173712701

Well there's always the hold lothric banner in offhand and handmaiden's dagger mainhand glitch for FP regen.

>>173712805
>Runs out
>Dont get value unless you go to 35 attunement
>Sucks major dicks

>>173712567
why no leo

I heard that 120 is way too high anymore. Should I replay the game and stick to 80-100?
Where do I find the most people, most frequently?

>>173712947

120 or higher. Only memelords stop at 100 or lower.

>>173712947
Meta went up to 140.

>>173712947
That's not true though

>>173712947
120 is the meta
It is way too high, it was always way too high, it's the meta anyways

>>173712947
SL80 is best SL for high level invasions

>>173712682
Reminder that if you didn't specifically import the JP version in early '09 for your NTSC-J PS3 you aren't a true King's Field fan.

We had almost an entire year to learn the game before the casuals began to flood the servers with their lmao 2kat and lmao regen builds.

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>>173712761
sure, if any DUGS user played by reaction instead of mashing L1

really, perseverance counters most of the meta shit right now, RHH is amazing now that it lasts ~2 seconds

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>Kill a host's dorkmoon
>Host immediately alt+f4s

>Invade post-pontiff
>Host is trying to start a FC with his buddy
>Scaled-down phantom in full Havel's and Greatsword
>And DMB
lol fuck no

>>173712515
>Casters builds have to go through 3 NG cycles just to get their shit

Can you please shut the fuck up saying this every day? I literally have like 6 sage+2 rings on a character that doesn't even have a single spell attuned.

Just ask someone for it for fucks sake. Most of the other caster rings do not even have a +1 version and the damage boost rings are the most important anyway.

>>173712805
If simple didn't suck dick it'd be a simple solution.

>invading
>actually having fun


Wtf inferno said PvP was shit

>>173712518
Sorc is broken as fuck for pve. You can just about 3 shot bosses from the start of the game. I killed dsa with about 6 spells at sl 50. Abyss watchers in like 3 hits as well.

If you stack int you one or 2 shot almost everything.

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>>173711146
Smug Mug is glorious. KYS edge lorde.

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Hi guys, this is the new Arena which will be patched in tomorrow around 11 AM CEST on PC, 4 AM CEST on PS4 and on the 14th somewhere between 3 AM and 9 AM CEST on Xbox One.

More screenshots:
http://imgur.com/gallery/O4ePE

>>173711546
what's the point of doing pvp if all you do is cheese the opponent instead of trying to actively engage them?

it's not fun for anyone except the one second where the magespammer gets a dopamine rush from killing their target

>>173712849
How does it work and what does it do? Just increase the damage of the dagger?

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>>173713675
IT'S NOT EVEN SMUG

IT'S JUST MOUTH-BREATHING AUTISM

IT'S A FOUL MOCKERY OF OUR LORD GIANTDAD

SHAME

SHAAAAAAAAAME

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>>173713737

>>173713737
YOU HAD ONE JOB

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Ok guys i have found something, i have not heard it being mentioned ever before so here it goes: If you reinstate the kings degree, and then try to enter the boss room from the other side, it is covered by fog, which you cannot enter... but once you touch that fog or something it does summon a spear, despite you being in a seperate room and unable to reach him...

>>173713737
ITS SHIT!!!

>>173713737
Pontiff ALWAYS wins. baby.

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>>173713737
>Pontiff's Arena
"Meh"

>>173713917
What is the name of that shield and why is everyone using it?

>>173713737
It's LITERALLY just a ring
o i am laffin

>>173713193
>it's a good counter to button mashers
common sense is also a good counter to button mashers

at 0:06 you can see him hit you in perseverance and roll out before you counterattack. At 0:17 you can see him get an almost even trade against you as he lands two hits in exchange for taking only one counter. Poise in the pocket can limit your opponent's options, but I gotta side with the other guy; what what really makes the red hilted halberd good is the fact that it's a big pointy stick, like half the other top tier weapons in this game.

>>173713737
Also because some of you had asked about the Seed of Giants changes:

The effect will last LESS than one minute now.

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Who difficult here?

>>173713737
I don't get the upset. What's wrong with just a big flat arena with no bullshit or obstacles?

>>173713975
it's (Gr)Ass Crest Shield, it increases stamina recovery

>>173714047
Neat.
It was mentioned that the maximum number of seeds a player can carry at one time is being reduced as well. Can you tell us exactly how much?

What poise value should I aim for?

>>173714102
M-muh zoning tactics.

>>173714102
It's not flat you retard, that's what's wrong.

>>173712701
Dusk ring is pretty good once you have a lot of fp or fp recovery for pve anyway.

>>173711657
>bb
>invaders didn't exist

Excuse you, I had a twink and invaded people in burger king and hemwick quite a lot. Arcane wheel two shots people at low bl it's silly.

>>173712947
Stick to 100. Many people regard 120 as the meta, but by sticking to 100 you can play with those people at 120 while avoiding the real cancer who went up to 140.

>>173714047
How long is Hidden Body now?

>>173714083
I was actually just about to ask this because I was considering it. Are ranged runs even doable? Like exclusively bows and crossbows? I've literally only ever seen ranged weapons used to knock people off beams or draw aggro.

>>173714102
The fact that it's flat is nice, all the current arenas are shit for 1v1 (especially roof). The fact that it's the fucking boring as shit pontiff arena is the issue.
Of course the ones we have now are great for brawls

>>173713917
Someone already mentioned this weeks ago.

>>173711367
>WEEBS
You realize you're playing a japanese game, right?

>>173713737
>Finally an arena that's almost flat and doesn't have any annoying bullshit in it
>People complaining
Drop attack babies BTFO

>>173714102
people are upset about the inconsequential elevation changes

I'd like the middlemost circle removed but the steps on the outside are fine

>>173714124
Hosts will only be able to carry 3 Seeds of a Giant, but the drop rate at the Giant Tree in Firelink will increase by about 50%

>>173714257
Significantly shorter.
The spell as it is right now allows players to skip entire areas. It's meant to be situational, which these changes reflect.

>>173714316
>brawls
Man souls combat on a huge scale would be so much fun. Too bad fucking nobody plays anything but duels. A giant two sided battlefield with five or six people on each team would be chaos.

>>173712373
>>173712381
>>173712401
So bleed builds are worthless now? Already had a str build so I was hoping for something new.

>>173713737
looks like it gives absolutely no time for buffers

good

>>173714102
My guess is, if people want to duel on a flat arena they can just go to Pontiff's, where they will also have access to Ember mode for more HP for both participants.

>>173714102
A. It's just fucking pontiff's, the reddit meme arena
B. there's minor variations in elevation for no reason
C. Because it's just fucking pontiff's, it has that disgustingly high amount of piercing white-blue effervescent bloom that causes eye fatigue

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>Held off on using greatshield forever because didn't have the vitality for them and needed muh med roll
>Decide to give on a go, just blocking instead of attacking
>Fucking invincible
>People never break my guard because they don't dare come near me
Holy shit

Fuck I hope the change to Yorshka's spear gives it a decent amount of faith scaling. It looks fun as fuck to use.

>>173711050
Siegward is not Siegmeyer. Not by a longshot

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How would you rate the Moonlight Greatswords for each game from worst to best. Yes DeS and BB count.

>NPC invaders don't have to use ashtus

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Estoc or Crystal sage rapier?

>>173714498
Are players still able to trade seeds between one another?
3 seeds per player means any organized gank squad could effectively access to 9 (w/o finger) or 12 (w/ finger) if they're able to drop them for the host.

>>173714787
BB >>> Everything else.

>>173714787
BB HMS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else ever

>>173714498
>Significantly shorter.
>The spell as it is right now allows players to skip entire areas. It's meant to be situational, which these changes reflect.

Utter bollocks. It's barely 20 seconds long. It's fine as it is.

>>173714787
BB > DeS > DaS > DaS2 > DaS3

>>173714787
BB>DS1>>>>DS3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DS2
Haven't played BB

>>173714787
BB > DeS > DaS = DaS3 > DaS2

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>>173714719
13%

>>173714825
crow quills

>>173714891
Objectively correct.

>>173712528
The fuck you mean

>>173714878
>>173714891
>>173714925
>>173714941
It's the Charged R2-R2 combo isn't it?

>>173714891
>DeS that high
lolno

>>173714925
>haven't played BB
Fuck, I meant never played DeS

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>>173709979
Is DS2:SoTFS on PS4 still active online?

Anyone knows?

>>173714787
DaS1 > DaS2 > DaS3 > BB >>> DeS

I can't fucking stand the grating noises the Holy Moonlight Sword makes
Or its absurd stamina cost in tricked mode
Or how it's just better as a boring ass claymore untricked

>>173715060
Opinion discarded

>>173714870
No Seeds, just like Titanite Slabs and Covenant items, have been removed from the tradeable list.

Can we list things that the DS3 community begs non stop for then when they finally get it they cry about it?

1. Poise not working
2. Ultra weapons not viable
3. Faith being viable
4. Flat arena
5. More weapons with unique and fun weapon art skills

Any thing else?

>>173715050
It's everything
Everything about the BB version (Except the projectile range maybe) was perfect
>>173715124
You are gay

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>>173714943
Delet this

>>173714102
It's boring and plain looking
we don't have a single arena from the DLCs areas.

>>173715075
it's fairly active on Xbone so PS4 should be just fine

>>173715215
>ywn PvP in Sir Alonne's arena

>>173715124
>no moveset
>doesnt shoot beams
>less AR than a katana
>half the actual damage of a moon claymore
>the one single true strength it has, ignoring shields, is absolutely nothing special since claymore dead angles so very easily

LARGE SWORD OF GARBAGE

>>173714787
BB > DaS1 > DaS2 > DeS > DaS3

BB's was the most interesting in pretty much every facet
DaS1's had AoE and knockdown on the beams, which made them useful and made their manual-aim playstyle interesting
DaS2 had fast and spammable beams
DeS and DaS3 both kinda sucked. The former because it was their first pas sat the concept, the latter because they just didn't give a fuck anymore.

>>173714675
Wat

>>173715145
Very good to hear. Glad to know that was considered alongside these other changes.

Thanks for answering these questions.

>>173715163
I really don't have issue with any of those
Ultra/STR weapons became bit too good for a while though and dex couldn't really compete but it's more or less fixed now
Crow Quills could do for more nerfs for sure though

>>173715163
I haven't seen anyone crying about ultras and the only faith thing I see people cry about is lightning arrow, but other than that you're right.

DeS's MLGS is the most aesthetically pleasing of all of them.

>>173714719
I don't quite understand why they want to make yet another spear a """"""fth""""" weapon, they should've just made DSS, DSSS and SB get more fth scaling. Also why is DSS getting nerfed?

>>173712548
Oh, I didn't know naruto fucking invented porcelain masks
>>173713675
I like how it symbolizes how hard we were played with the early footage and prealpha gameplay, only to arrive to that gutted monstrosity on release

>>173715326
Greatshields are way more fun than I expected.

>>173714102
Pontiff Area, but they probably did so because they saw how many people in the community fought at pontiffs in the first place, so they smacked that skybox and textures onto a """"flat"""" circle. You only have yourselves to blame if you got butthurt at this.

>left pontiff eye
>even after proc buff still only gives 30 HP per activation
>sun princess ring
>regenerates this much health in 15 seconds without doing anything, and weighs less to boot
When will regen get nerfed? Blessed shit and SPR don't need to give you any more than 1hp/s (though blessed should have more AR). There's no way I'm going to proc a pontiff eye every fifteen seconds. regen miracles should all have their faith reqs moved five points higher as well.

>>173714810
>npc invaders can roll out of their own casts
>npc invaders can parry rapiers on reaction with midshields

>>173715163
>5
my issue is just hoswsplitlead and gaels can combo into their wepaonarts, the weaponarts themselves are fun

That and I also take issue with how redundant some DLC weapons are, the splitleaf is a direct upgrade on the winged knight halberd. It would have made more sense as a buff to an old weapon rather than a new weapon.

>>173715075
Haven't played since dlc2. I need to finish the third dlc then i can retire my ds2 character.

>>173715481
>Also why is DSS getting nerfed?
Cause spears aren't shit enough as they are

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>>173715402
>clips through your shoulder on every armor piece and even when naked*
nay

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>>173714083
>>173714309
Bow-only is literally the easiest build i've done for any given souls game. any trap, ambush, pesky enemy or group of enemies you dont want to deal with is easily killed at range. arrows restock automatically from a pool of 600 stored arrows, and the best arrows are the 2nd cheapest. almost every enemy can be cheesed through headshot stagger spam, bosses like friede can be staggered out of any combo.

anyone who says bow-only or "mainly bow" is any kind of challenge or handicap is doing something horribly wrong. the best bows scale with strength (dragonrider, millwood) so you can swap off the bow to your gigantic hammer if you need to.

compound bow will easily take you through the entire vanilla game with rapidfire DPS, instant roll-R1's, and instant sprinting R1's. dragonrider will let you headshot spam things at range. You get your best 2 rings early in the game (flynns, hawk ring) and armor is totally unecessary for PVE you can utilize that fully.

Pic related is my "fuck midir in the ass really hard while breaking his AI" build - cloranthy could be swapped with RTSR if you're ballsy and want to see numbers in the 1k range on midir's head

>invading
>destroy blue police
>destroy phantom
>another phantom dies to npcs
>host is the only one who can """fight""" me
>by landing phantom hits and facestabbing me across the room
>still drain him out of health
>try to finish him with throwing knives
>they hit him, they stick to him, but they deal no damage
>his firebomb lands five meters behind me and i die
k

>>173715627
It's fucking moonlight, who cares.

>>173715642
Bows scale with patience. I can't two hand my patience to meet the requirement. That's the difficulty.

>>173715384
What's the problems with crow quills?

>>173715395
People cried a lot about ultras being weak after fugs nerf. Also people cry constantly about lightning arrow, mad king, projected heal.

>>173713737

>no small gap in the fence to jump off

Bravo mayosaki

>>173715828
mad cuz bad lmaooooo

>>173715598
Left eye has a second-stage proc that fully heals you. We might see that more often if they made it easier to proc
Not that it particularly matters either way. The intention behind the left eye ring is to be an early-game crutch ring that helps mashy new players deal with HP attrition. If the proc rate is better, 30HP is enough to matter around Crucifixion Woods/Cathedral, which is where the ring is intended to have value.

It's just like the ring of the evil eye in that the value falloff as you progress is very intentional

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>watching lobos stream
>des looks better than das3

>>173715163
>poise not working
>ultras not viable

And this is how we know this is bait, friends.

>>173715531
What weapon are you using with it

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>lets make an NPC encounter harder than any boss fight in the souls series ever
Honestly I thank my stars everyday that the game isn't about carrying shitters to link the flame

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>was hoping that the round plaza would be similar to the area you find the first winged knight in at high wall of lothric
>it ends up being the ugliest area in the game
>and it's not even flat

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>>173712117
The manikin mask we got was actually based off an executioner's mask.

I like it.

>>173715927
DeS is more fun than DaS3 anon, this isn't a controversial opinion or anything.

I'm looking to start a new character, could someone post the ds3 roll chart?

>>173715870
>What's the problems with crow quills?
nerfed to shit for no good reason
they never really were that good but they keep nerfin them for whatever reason, which kinda sucks because they are some of the only dex weapons with any fun movesets

>>173715880
what the fuck? I have never seen that even while stackign it with OWCS. Do they both have that? Is it redundant to use them at the same time?

>giving a ring that rewards mashing to new players
I'd rather not quite honestly, let vordt's soul give them the ring of favor and put the pontiff eye over with the double dogs

>>173715948
I'm not talking about now. There was a time before they got buffed where people cried about it constantly.

>>173715870
Yeah, people have been crying over ultras being weak for ages. I meant I've never seen people crying about ultras becoming viable.

Lightning arrow and projected heal are cry worthy due to their spammability I'd say. From should have made the current spells better rather than adding pesky new ones. Literally no excuse to cry over Mad King though.

>>173716010
dunno first bridge boss was harder than this grandpa without de-estus

>>173715948
Read the first line, anon

>>173715858
but it's 100% guaranteed 1st try clear on everything in the game, not fast but it's safe and easy

there is nothing that is smart enough to deal with you headshotting at long enough range, theres not a single boss that is smart enough to use anything that will hit you outside of lockon range while you're headshot critting them

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>invading
>host doesn't look like he's having 900+ ping
>must be, since he phantom hits me through roll spam

>>173716028
>liking things
Fuck off.

>>173715075
>aldia is locked behind killing vendrick pre-nashandra
Fuck, I wish I knew that. Not replaying the game though

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>>173707545

sauce

>>173716142
>meant I've never seen people crying about ultras becoming viable

People are constantly crying about not being able to trade with ultras now or specifically dugs.

>>173713737
>Pontiff's rings are "eyes"
>His arena is a ring
pottery

>>173716234
On the subject of Logarius, those red skulls that Gael lobs at you are awful familiar.

>>173715987
Great Mace.

>>173716027
Same. When I read 'plaza' I was really hoping for a city style area with buildings surrounding it. Not that. Still though, it's a flatter, more straight forward arena than what we've currently got.

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>these shit patchnotes

>>173715642
Very neat.
How was PvP though?

>>173716295
>People are constantly crying about not being able to trade with ultras now
Yeah but I doubt those people were ever using ultras to begin with.

>specifically dugs
I've seen people complain about its long combos and awful hitboxes and phantom range, but never being unable to trade with it.

Hi
Would anyone on Pc be so kind to drop me a Demon Scar? I'd love you forever

>>173716473
I have a demon prince soul, u wants?

>>173716542
Can't trade boss souls

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ayy what the fuck is this? sasuga, miyazaki-sama

>nerfing the crow quills
I'm going to miss being an annoying fuck with the Moaning Shield and Quills, but alright

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>it's a "laggy magic katana named kirito" episode

Has anybody made an image for dark souls 3 invasion areas with corresponding soul level

>>173712515
I like it other than the fact that there's no +4 ring of life, or easier way to get the +3 ring of life. I don't want to go to NG++ for one ring.

>>173716582
I can craft it and drop it to you, where u want to meet?

>>173716616
Farron 20 25 +2
Cathedral 30 +4
Pontiff 50-60 +6

>>173716616
Cathedral - 25-40.
Catacombs - 30-45.
Irithyll - 40-50.
Everything after Pontiff - 50+.

>>173716010
Maybe you should try not using one of the worst weapons in the game

>>173716038
No it isn't, not with those awful annoying levels
Stonefang alone kills any desire I have to play the game, couple with Latria and fuck Demon's Souls

Alright someone explain to me why Dark Souls 1 is supposed to be the best game in the series.

>worst pvp
>post-lordvessel content is complete and utter shit
>cancer inducing inventory management
>can only hotkey 5 items at a time
>only 4-directional roling
>awfully optimized
>easily the weakest in terms of bosses

I seriously don't get it. Are 2 and 3 just so fucking bad in your opinion that 1 is still better despite the glaring flaws?

>>173716585
That's a good question
What the fuck is that

>>173716962
>not with those awful annoying levels
Not making a really compelling case for DaS3 here mate.

>>173710159
What's the lore behind mashed rolls doing this? Are acrobatics convoluted in Lordran?

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>>173717048
amazing cc
>mess a bit with eyeliner
>suddenly I'm green
ok

I can just use the Unlocking Bonfire script to help build this twink build right?

>>173716412
oh you can't pvp with bows for shit
rapid fire on compound bow is the only way youre going to land a shot on anyone 1v1 in honorable duel combat

did alot of scumbag invasions on release week on TRC but 90% of that was me standing on the upper branches of the swamp firing millwood L2s at the horde of whites, sunbros, and hosts trying to take cover in the same spot, in which case the L2 blasts them all out of cover or makes them run out into lasers

some silly people will actually run off and equip their own bow and try to sniper duel you, while you're already aimed in with an arrow nocked.

avelynn is the only ranged weapon i'd ever try to seriously 1v1 someone with, otherwise it's greatbow opportunism. shame gaels crossbow L2 is hot garbage, couldve been a fun weapon

>>173717169
iframes work if they're active on either player's screen
With a little lag that can be 100% uptime

>>173717231
>a bit
>slider is slammed
ok

Do the tonal stuff in very small increments

>>173717283
the short bow is good for killing shitters

Is there any way to cheat the 5 times stat respec limit with Collector's Edition or anything?

>>173717117
If you want to play this game, every entry in the series has plenty of awful, annoying levels.
Just like how every entry in the series is littered with flaws that can easily be focused on or exaggerated to the point where any of the five games can be made to look like the worst.

>>173716986
best atmosphere, world design, level design and enemy design
also nostalgia goggles

>>173717283
Thanks for all the info, man. I appreciate it all.

>>173716616
New summon range guide
Low level invasions: cross your fingers and pray anyone is within your weapon range
High level invasions: Do whatever you want

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>>173716412
If someone does a Ultra running attack and you roll back and R1 with a Composite Bow or that other DLC bow you get a big huge change of getting a headshot.

Don't hold down the aim with greatbows just tap it to instantly turn anywhere you want.

Hawk Ring and Hornet Ring both play a big roll in something.

Arbalest a must, Gael's Crossbow for fun and Avelyn for winning.

>>173717339
1. it shouldn't affect it at all
2. can't find how to fix it, gonna start over
Btw, did you get an idea of what I was going for? Hint: It's from berserk

Smelter Demon, Ruin Sentinels, and Velstadt are the only good bosses in vanilla DaS2

What are some fun dex weapons for pvp? I'm struggling with duels on this character and I have at least one of each dex oriented weapon type maxed out.

Dueling as a pyro or strength character is effortless in comparison

>>173717876
Darklurker, too

>>173716986
I feel like the PvE was really good, and progressed very well compared to the other games. I always feel like the enemies you encounter in the first game are appropriate for that point in the game, whereas early game DaS2 enemies are way overpowered and DaS3 throws a random jumble of shit at you.

Rolling hit a sweetspot between DaS2 and DaS3. I could barely get into DaS2 because of fucking ADP meaning that I couldn't dodge for shit, no matter what timing I tried, while DaS3 you can just spam roll to win. With DaS I really have to time my dodges, and going back to it after DaS3 I was surprised how much DaS3 had got me into the habit of being able to just mash the roll button and take no damage.

World design was also easily the best in the series, save for the post-lordvessel dead ends. I'd also say the lore was the best, as it didn't leave too many giant unanswered questions and some mysteries were actually wrapped up with the DLC.
>dark souls lore never made sense xP
is just a meme: the first game's lore was all neatly explained and self-contained. It's DaS2 and DaS3 that tore shit apart.

I still wouldn't say it's the best game though.

>>173717920
And Looking Glass Knight

>>173717906
>fun
>dex
not allowed

>>173717876
And Darklurker.
And Looking Glass Knight.

>>173717876
>>173717920
>>173717978
and the Lost Sinner

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See this fucking bullshit? Why can't it only affect what it's supposed to affect? Nothing else is changed between the two

>>173718028
Lost Sinner became mediocre after all her nerfs.

>>173716986
>>173717937
Oh and also
>easily the weakest in terms of bosses
Fuck no. That's got to be Dark Souls 2, or maybe even Demons Souls. Every game has some great bosses, every game has some shit ones, but Dark Souls was consistently pretty good.

>>173718028
Lost Sinner was pretty meh
Okay atmosphere though

>>173717876
>only done The Last Giant and the Pursuer so far
>thoroughly enjoyed both
Fight me.

>>173716986
Dark Souls 1 had the best first half of the series, largely because of the great world design. It also had excellent DLC (even though getting to that content without help from the internet is a pain in the ass). You are absolutely right about the game dissolving to a mess after you get the lordvessel. I guess people just like to remember the good bits and to ignore the borderline retarded sections like the lost izalith and its stupid half-dinosaurs.

>>173718028
Why does "she" have a beard?

>>173718071
>Dark Souls was consistently pretty good
DS1 has literally two good bosses
T W O
And most of the rest aren't even mediocre, they're downright terrible.

>>173718078
Pursuer is severely underrated
I love that fight, especially the alternate encounter on the roof

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Why is parrying halberds so awkward?
Everytime it feels like perfectly timed parry but I still only get partial or miss completely.

Worst part is I have no clue if my parry was too early or too late.

>>173718151
Alrighty then, let's hear those hot opinions.

>>173718078
Pursuer is cool as fuck, but he's just too easy

>>173717995
Apparently. Feels like every fight is an uphill battle that requires immaculate spacing and patience.

>poke gaels greatsword user with a rapier for 10% of his hp
>trade with the weapon art and get full to 0'd with over 1k hp and 30% strike absorb

>>173718226
You have to run up to them and parry the shaft, assuming they let you get that close

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>summoning people for random matches outside of spear
>invaded
>suddenly two dorkmoons on his ass along with the phantom i had
that was just cruel

>>173718071
>but Dark Souls was consistently pretty good
Absolutely not. A lot of the bosses in 1 are really, really weak. Plenty of them have nice visual designs, but nothing else.

>>173718185
>>173718078
Pursuer should have always been in his post-curse stab phase

>>173718235
Artorias
Manus

Gargs are good if you fight them really early but no one does because why would you when you can just come later and destroy them

>>173718151
Manus
Artorias
O&S

Literally already named 3 bosses

Smelter Demon, Ruin Sentinels, Velstadt, Darklurker, and Looking Glass are the only good bosses in DaS2
Pursuer is in general cool and a good boss to teach you parries

>>173717876
>>173717920
>>173717978
>>173718028
this looks straight out of Life of Brian

should I not be timing my attacks to roll catch and instead spam r1 and let latency do the work?

How do you fight Giant Door shields on a strength build. Running into some guy in the arena that I absolutely can't do a thing about. I can't HA through because he'll just block right after an attack.

>>173718241
I can agree with that, but I mean he's only the second boss I've seen. It's not like Taurus Demon or Vordt were much harder.

>>173718383
O&S are the most overrated boss since sliced bread

>>173718226
Because of the range. I don't think you can parry the tip but noobs keep trying.

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What do Anons here actually consider a "good" boss anyway? Is it just the difficulty? In my opinion for example DeS has only two bad bosses.

>>173718410
You use a weapon with split damage or shield piercing.

>>173718410
Equip an ultra weapon and guard break them. Their stability is lowered when you make them heavy, you can usually guard break in a few hits.

>>173718410

Use a greatshield and sit in his face.

>>173718454
Overrated yes but still a good boss

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>>173718387
>Ruin Sentinels

>No Raime

>No Lost Sinner

>No Sir Alonne

>No Burnt Ivory King

How do you kill Midir how the fuck do you do it.
I can only get him to about half health on a good run before i'm out of estus and fucked or I get one shot and there's no point in summoning because it just increases the health he has and summons don't seem to be able to understand how to beat him.
How do you do it?

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In das3, what is the most powerful early str weapon?

>>173718561
I forgot the Vanilla part
Lost Sinner still isnt very good

>>173718465
Challenging, memorable, and fun.
Good music is also important.

>>173718563
>before i'm out of estus and fucked or I get one shot
There's yer problem - you're getting hit. Don't do that.

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>>173718563

>>173718587
You can get the greatsword pretty early. iirc it's currently the highest raw UGS if you make it heavy.

Makes PvE trivial.

>>173718587
You can farm the Greataxe off of the hollows on the high wall that wield it.

>>173718563
Stay in front of him
Don't bother with hitting his body, only hit the head.
If you're ok with the fight taking longer because you have less time to punish, run away from his attacks instead of rolling. Works wonders.

>>173718587
Most powerful early weapon in general would probably be either Raw ASS or Exile Greatsword with some buffs

>>173718465

I like bosses with recognizable patterns that you can deal with, fights like Gael, Arty, Alonne, etc.

I'm not a fan of bosses like Midir and Pontiff where their attacks are so fast and all their combos start with the same move but change erratically. Where your option is just to wait until they've exhausted their combo because it's too risky to try to sneak a hit in.

>>173718563
Once you get him to half you only need a few more hits to put him into stagger state and you can riposte him for his remaining health bar.

>>173718465
1. Is the boss engaging
2. Is the boss at least moderately challenging: cant just auto-pilot
3. Is the boss visually appealing / impressive in a memorable way
4. Is the boss's music good
5. Is the boss satisfying to fight - sfx, animations, lore, openings, etc

Most DeS bosses fail these

>>173717876
Lost Sinner is pretty good too

>>173718746
>their attacks are so fast and all their combos start with the same move but change erratically
>Midir
What
He has a handful of massively telegraphed moves and they don't even chain. He falls asleep every time he does something so you can slap his nose.

>>173718434
Pursuer is the 2nd best 2nd boss in the soul series.

Gascoigne>Pursuer>Taurus>Phalanx>Vordt

Gascoigne is a casual barrier and therefore the best.

Pursuer can be a little bit of a pain if you dont know about ADP yet or in a sl1 run.

Taurus is a well put up fight.

Phalanx is a bitch but somewhat creative

Vordt is just a bitch.

>>173718587
Vordt
Guts sword

>>173718746
But that's wrong. You can tell when Midir is going to do is lunge attack, blow fireballs, do a laser attack, and others.

Maybe you just aren't perceptive enough?

WHY SPAWN ME AT THE START OF THE AREA IF THE HOST ENTERS THE BOSS FOG 5 SECONDS LATER FUCK OFF HOW IS THIS FAIR

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>>173718078