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Last thread>>173589913
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>>173614874
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first for anime TITS
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My name's Lou. It's short for... Lou!
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concede please 48603
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One must never take sides.
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>>173615014
it's short for lewd
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Post good wolfbolt decks
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ルナのメタだよ!
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Does aggro Shadow get infinitely better with Eachtars?
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http://www.strawpoll.me/12678043

http://www.strawpoll.me/12678037
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>watch the first few minutes of Kripp's Un'Goro pack opening
>literally a duplicate shit legendary out of 50€ worth of packs

And I thouht Cygames was startin to get jewier. How do people unironically play HS still?
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>>173615106
>good wolfbolt decks
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>>173614874
Pascale looks kinda crazy in that pic.
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>>173615049
>play valk spear neutralcraft deck
>two of them out
>get 4pp play strix and evolve, suddenly he's at 7/5

lmao
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>make an aggro shadow rage disconnect after playing three warded death's breaths in a row

I love this card
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>>173615350
Why does Luna look so lewd yet also so smug?
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>>173615152
No, aggro only uses him as a tech finisher. Midrange is where he's used to the fullest extent.
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>>173615060
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>>173615014
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9 free packs for 9 million downloads when?
Admit it pedotards, shadowverse is dying, sibyl killed it.
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Why is Lightning Blast allowed to exist?
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>>173615717
Why not?
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I swear Phantom Howl bricks me more than it wins me games. Literally always mulligan into it fucking Cygames.
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>trying to do dailies
>play ranked
>dragon
>dragon
>dragon
>dragon
>go to unranked
>dragon
>dragon
>dragon
>dragon

Just fuck off already.
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>>173615584
ToG daily peak is still higher than RoB.
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>>173615717
Is a 10 mana card not entitled to even reset an enemy board? That's a whole turns worth of mana.
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>>173615350
Midrange actually has quite an amount of wards depending on the variant
>db
>wight king
>goblin king
>spartoi soldier
>grimnir
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>>173615584
You can always leave if you don't like it.
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>>173615717
>mad pedo
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>>173615787
>rune
>in tog
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It's downright offensive that a card like Sibyl has been allowed to exist this long into the expansion. Even before the expansion it was evident how oppressive and powerful this card is. I don't think there's a single card in the game that actually compares to how powerful this is. In any other craft it'd be priced at like 7 mana. Why the fuck is it 5?

Is all of this because of the success of Maid Dragon?
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>>173615198
I started running Neutralcraft for forest dailies, i've never had that many early concedes
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>when it's over before it even begins
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>>173615890
Or I can stay and fight this pile of injustice called dragoncraft. I aint weak like you, I am not running when shit goes down i am soldier.
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Ask a cancershadow who just lost to a daria witch anything

unbelievable
though I did brick a bit with draws
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>>173616017
Maid Dragon flopped hard tho.
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>>173616020
Post dick
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>>173615198
He should be a 9/7 then.
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>>173616148
Try harder, Maid Dragon and Gabriel Dropout were the two hits of the season
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>>173615435
I see. I just returned after a small break and am checking out all the new lists I can afford. I've tested a few games with it and they went fairly okay, Isn't it susceptible to just constant wards? Orthus doesn't seem enough for X/3s like Grimnir. I suppose you can build shadows fast for Soulsquisher and turn 5 DoDs, but it still seems iffy. Unless I'm missing something.

Surprised at its quick rise in popularity from 2 new cards alone.
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>>173616020
Give dicklist, I'm using one for Forest too but I don't think mine is working.
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>Think i made a bad play
>Opponent quits
Oh okay
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how to become skeleton?
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>>173616265
Maid Dragon didn't flop, but this is just factually wrong. Konosuba and Kemono Friends had the highest sales.
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>>173616148
It did?
I thought it would have played straight to the otaku's tastes
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>>173616318
Youre already one, we all are
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How will stormhaven ever recover?
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>>173616017
>Even before the expansion it was evident how oppressive and powerful this card is.
only to me. all of you said she was shit. don't i'll just forget this.
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>>173616428

>Keeps releasing power play cards in the 6pp range

I don't think so, Tim.
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>>173616265
Here's your latest stats lmao. And don't get me started on Kemono Friends that's on Love Live level of sales.
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>>173616383
It sold something like 3000, which is not bad. This is mostly a pointless discussion, though, since BDs don't really matter as much any more. Obviously when you sell a lot that's a success, but most shows rely on other venues for their revenue at this point.
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>>173616017
i just finished the 2nd episode of maid dragon, when the fuck does it start getting good
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>>173616668
When you lower your expectations
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>>173615717
To make shadow mad.
>set up board with reaper and attendant into Urd on turn 9
>dragoncuck lightning blasts me
>double hector otk his ass
>he gets the bm before dying for banishing my waifu Urd

Shouldn't have spend all those Sahas on lucifers 3 turns before that.
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>>173615787
>try to do dailies
>play unranked
>win the first 3 easy than lose 8 straight
>lost to turn 5 daria and then another daria on turn 7
god hates me
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>>173616272
Prince Catacomb is what broke the deck. Squasher isn't usually used in aggro, she's more of a midrange card.
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>>173616668
When you can appreciate art, you uncultured shit.
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>>173616198
I wouldn't bring it to ranked, but it's way more efficient than roachless forest for dailies
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>>173616428
It won't. The entire craft will be relegated to tier 3/4 status because Cygames will probably see the winrates hovering for the entire craft at around 40% and think it's fine.
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>>173616774
The American legal system has ruled that porn is not actually art, so you may need to rephrase that sentence for the burgers in the audience
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>>173616023
>only first 3 turns

Step it up senpai
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>>173616023
>MOOOOOOOOOOM
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>>173616668

When it starts getting sexual.
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>>173616846
After the last couple of expansions, Haven sucking really is fine.
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>>173616023
>enemy is Luna too

It's over, you're finished
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>>173615175
She's an eager lass with a cheeky/bad mouth on her, getting better though. I really like the cheeky grin wiped across her face
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>>173615992
I agree, that's why Paraneko's Dshift deck completely sucked in masters and he lost all his matches. As expected from one of the best players in the world.
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>>173616809
>Not even pure neutral
Stay impartial!
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how come he ask "what r u hiding inside" and answer always skelington?
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>>173616897

>Sexton

Is there a list running him? I thought I was hipster and cool for teching him in along with x2 howl of resentment (for bahamut and the likes) but I've been seeing more and more people run him.
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>>173616504
Surprised at those Fuuka figures. Thought it was pretty hamfisted especially with the plot change. Not to mentioned Fuuka herself after that was insufferable. I guess the Nips like that shit.
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>>173617045
Even he struggles to believe that skeletons can be filled with skeletons
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>>173617045
Sometimes it's two or three skelingtons
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>>173616963
You mean DE only? Haven was 4th place in RoB.
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>>173616846
Don't worry, Kikegames will probably buff Haven next to fuck with Shadow next expansion. Elana and Storm Haven died, Daria died, the skellies will probably follow that pattern.
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>>173617118
How does he fit more than one skeleton inside you?
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>build my deck to counter shadow
>face nothing but sword
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>>173617118
skeletonception
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>>173617238
No one knows.

That's why he asks "what are you hiding inside" because sometimes you're hiding a lot of skeletons inside.
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>>173617057
I've put him in instead of spartoi/lyrial/conjurer after I've had one too many turn 3 rituals.
Naturally I haven't seen a single haven player use it since then and barely went against any haven players, it's just Dragon and shadow now.
Shadow mirrors I can deal with, but dragon is scary to play against.
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>>173617340
Dragon feels like luck of the draw for me. Do I draw enough aggro, does he draw enough boardwipes? I don't love it.
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Finally did it bros! Now I can start memeing in low masters. Whats a good, fun meme deck?
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>>173617057

He's a tech card. Lists don't run him because you swap him in and out depending on how much haven/lightning blast you're encountering in ladder.
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>>173617589
Just play Sneks lol
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>>173617525
I play midrange so it's even more stressful for me because I know for sure that the game is going to go to at least turn 8-9.
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>they don't know that Sword can completely wreck all the aggro/mid lunas
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>>173617765
Same, I just try to race it so I can end it with Phantom Howl
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>>173617730

I only have one though. And I'm sick of playing blood after climbing from AA1 with it over the course of the past week.
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Been wondering, what's affected by that uncensor patch anyway, other than Isabelle's top?
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>>173618002
Only Unica. In the censored version she is nibbling on a baguette.
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What's a good/fun burn rune deck? I want to meme while doing my rune dailies in low masters.
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>>173617830
Not sure what sword can do against a good midshadow deck but aggro is stoppable.

You know what other deck does surprisingly well against aggro shadow?
"Aggro" dirt. Your illusionist is pretty annoying because he comes back, they can't touch your ambush chick and buffing something with Pamela basically forces them to trade into it or lose.
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>>173617886
What meme legos do you have? Also, if nothing else you can always bring default decks to ranked and give people free wins.
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What are you working towards? I'm just trying to get Forte's so I can build midrange dragon
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What's a card game where aggro isn't a viable archetype?
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>>173618281
I kinda want to try sudoku blood or Big Guy dirt but I'm pretty far away from both.
Dragon is out of the question, I need like 9 legos for that.
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>>173618281
I don't even know.

I would love to play a PROPER "make your opponent ragequit" haven deck with a ton of stall, banish, board clear, ward and heal and aegis but I lack like 10k+ in vials to do that
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>>173618281
Opening standards and praying for forest staples and/or cerberus.
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>>173617197
That's a nice fantasy world you live in, but I'm betting that the MtG dudes are going to focus on buffing Dirt Rune, give Sword even more retarded tools to close games harder, better, faster, stronger, and leave Haven in the dumpster because "lol invincible turn 9 do nothing, enjoy being the trash craft that you were since standard."

Maybe it'll be a mercy if they just delete the craft for everyone involved. They seem to have no real decent idea on how to make the craft work without making it too oppressive.

>mfw doing dailies with Haven
>mfw trying to climb the ladder with Haven

I guess we could be the meme class that Dragon once occupied. There's always a need for the butt of all jokes.
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>>173618281

It depends on what I pull, but if I could choose right now what to get. It'd be that hot kys midrange blood that's been causing a stir.
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>>173618269

I vialed my dark jeane and hulking golem already and i kind of regret it since I want to play dirt burn.

I do have a Minthe, if only I had the vials to craft 2 more tyrants.
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>>173618163
play conjuring force with enchanted sword
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>>173618538
Dunno, I've got no trouble with doing my haven dailies using burd haven and I'm AA3 right now.
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>>173618097
Isn't she always nibbling on a baguette?

I have the uncensor installed and the art is still the same.
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>>173617589
>soul dealer

What?
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Anyone have the picture of Luna crying with Rowen's smiling face behind her?
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>>173618662
Dirtburn doesn't run Big Guy
Though I suppose he wouldn't hurt.
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>>173618662
Try Pepe Sword to fuck with some Dragoncucks.
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>>173618749
What's the build for Storm Haven nowadays, anyways?
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>>173618393

Yugioh. Yugioh is build big board and stun.
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>>173618281
Waiting to pull at least 2 Djannus.
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>>173618719
Oh, nice. I hadn't noticed I've pulled 3 copies of CF already. I'll try building a deck like that. Aside of snowmen, levi and blade mage, what other card should I consider?
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>>173618818

She's nibbling on a "baguette" in the uncensored version. Cygames is a very lewd company.
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>>173618973
Can I get the unshopped one?
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What do swordfriends think of the new midrange?
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>>173618946
I'm gonna run 3 dragonewt fists just for you pepe
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>>173619057
Good luck getting past my Lecia.
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>>173619026

No.
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>mulligan Sahaquiel away
>draw your Zeus instead
>pull Sahaquiel turn 2

Every fucking time.
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>>173619056
Floral evo → Luminous Mage free evo = 10 damage
It's bonkers
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Aurelia pisses me off as an aggrobaby
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why do people not put DoD in their agro shadow decks anymore?
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>Zeus and Satan combined weren't powerful enough to kill Bahamut, only seal him
>some guy with a bit of bahamut's fingernail outright kills him
Is this why they're so shit in this game?
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>>173619026
That's the original.
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>>173618281
I just want that Eachtar emblem.
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Can a Follower with Storm and Rush still go face?
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>>173619196
>running zeus
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>>173618662
You can try something like this. I've been using it for dailies and it kinda works. Just withhold from attacking with Mage of nightfall if you have pascal in hand and you'll have a serious threat on board.
Also the calamity should be another mutagenic bolt but I don't have it.
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>>173618281
I really want 3 Belphegors to finish off kys blood, it's really fun to play.

But I'm 1 Sybil/Ouro/Baha/Isra from finishing ramp dragon, assuming people run 3Sybil/1Ouro/3Baha//2Isra
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>>173619243

DoD was already falling out of favor in aggro shadow before ToG. Aggro shadow's firepower is more than enough to climb over goblinmount, rahab, aurelia and other big wards with reserve damage ready to go to the face.
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>>173619243
I still run 3x in mine.
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Every win you get should give you 5 gold desu, no limit
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Nye-hehehehehHEHHEHAHAHAHHAHAhehehehheheeHAHHH!
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>>173618960
Same one I used during RoB.
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Does anyone have the picture of Rowen smiling behind a crying Luna?
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>>173619464
Yes, rush text doesn't say "can't attack the enemy leader on the same turn they're played" so there is no conflict.
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>>173618876
kys Blood with Meme Peddler is the hottest meme right now, and it's actually viable.
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>play fun homebrew deck you made in 1 minute
>actually climb in masters with it
Nothing feels better
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>>173619581
I admit this will give me a lot of incentive to play the game outside of dailies.
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>>173615014
I WANT TO VIOLATE LOU AND CUM INSIDE HER

FORCING HER TO DROP OUT OF MAGE SCHOOL AND BECOME A SINGLE MOTHER TO MY BASTARD CHILD
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>>173619581
Every win should give you one random card, no limit
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>>173619616
I hate this card so much. Such a pain to clear everything and then next turn they drop the taunt guy plus another one.
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>>173619243
Still run two in mine.
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>>173619715

>viable

I'd say it's their best deck. Chaos Ship is so scary.
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I want to fill up Luna with so much semen that her belly inflates!
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>you're not gonna crack me are ya?
>(Giggles)
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>>173619814
It's the only good card in that deck
If it pulls 2 imps while they still had a follower up it's GG
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>>173619984
DELET THIS
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>>173619770
I'd like to see an online CCG with that kind of system. Abolish the gold resource, only use cards and the crafting resource.
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>>173619984
Why is everyone focusing on some crazy traumatized psycho all the time?
There are so many much better girls in shadow.
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>>173617252
Retardlord, Shadowverse is rigged to certain point. You just need to accept your striking loss and feel pathetic. If you think Cygames is doing wrong sue them or buy some dah crystals.
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>don't play Shadowcraft
>Shadowcraft is my highest level class because Arena

Does this still make me a shadow faggot?
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>>173620191
SAGGY
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>>173619223
The value you can get out of Luminous Mage is crazy. Initially I thought it'd make aggro even faster, but Albert is still better and you don't want to add more 5 drops past him (and DoDs if you run those).
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>>173618876

He's 10x better than playing Blood Moon.

>>173619814

Jammer is good but Belphagor is the real star of the deck. And Laura.

>>173620059

Airjammer is highly overrated. Its a good card but its not carrying the deck on it's back. Kys is good because of the synergy of all the cards and the consistency at which you could enter vengeance, which wasn't a thing before. Belphagor makes the deck, not jammer.
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>>173620191
>he doesn't fap solely to NepNep
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So, Eachtar x3 is a must in every non aggro (and maybe aggro too) shadow deck now?
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Is there any legendary I can liquefy?
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>>173620386
Even in aggro, it's one of the best finishers
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First shitty attempt on a conjuring force deck. Any suggestions?
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>>173620191
Those tits are too big. What a cow! Haha, heavyweight class Charon!

Charon is in the same class as Bowser and Wario! HEAVYWEIGHT!
LOOK AT THOSE UDDERS
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>>173620339
The thing is thanks to Luminous you can keep pressuring quite hard and still have evos for t9 Albert or 5 reach with Fangblade
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>>173620403

pluto
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>>173620403
Pluto isn't really that good. Moon Al'miraj is borderline vial. No one knows about Gawain yet so I'd wait. The other 3 are very good. Is this from your starter packs?
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>>173620403
Pluto if you really need vials.
Rest are ranging from decent to must have.
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>>173619621
>brick strike
no
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>d-shift in the shadow and no follower ramp dragon meta
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>>173620594
Starter Packs/Farming Elite Bots
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>"What are you hiding inside?"
>"Orthrus has arrived!"
>"Time to go a little wild!"
>"Today we battle!"
>"This head can't be taken"
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>>173619651
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>>173620682
>farming

What? I thought you only get the bonus once.
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>it's a "Opponent plays 4 Wards after setting up for Zeus-to-face in arena" episode

I hate those.
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>>173620698
>"Heaven rebukes you!"

>concede
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>>173620682
Yikes. You can get more mileage out of them than those 6, but if you don't want to spend time rerolling I can understand.
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>>173620698
>*angry Reaper noises*
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>>173620631
That disgusting slob of meat is a mod on here?
Lmao
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>>173620782
Thank you very much!
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Which flair is cuter? Deviant Heart or Together Forever?
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>>173620631
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>>173618281
i want to spend vials for 2 aegis. just want to have something besides shadow that is somewhat playable in ranked.
is 2 aegis even enough?
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Fuck shadow. I don't even want to do my dailies anymore these retarded curve autists are even infesting unranked.
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>>173621020
True Luna lovers use Together Forever
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The AI doesn't know when to concede eh.
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>>173621107
Do you have every piece of removal in the Haven toolkit?
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>>173619497

too poor for pascal. I've been running elder dragon mage and disaster witch instead.
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>>173621020
Deviant Heart of course.
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>>173621020
Deviant Heart is the best.
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>>173620843
>concede
>not laughing before turn 9 do nothing and going face and threatening lethal

>>173621107
don't bother with aegis, man. it's trash.
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>>173620832
i want to bully funabori until she cries and starts peeing uncontrollably
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>>173620531
Stop this cowphobia right now
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Can I get a concede
>85876
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Dark Jeanne is bretty fun
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>>173620956
>>173621096
don't reply to shitposters
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>>173620521
Please respond. I don't want to do my dailies with aggro sword, that shit gets boring after so many games.
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Where can I find a coat that looks like this? Shit looks dope as fuck, yo.
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>>173621351
She's smiling now? how? fuck you discord
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So how exactly does one kill an Aegis anyway?
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>>173621549
You would look like a dope in that coat lmfao
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>>173621606
You literally don't
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>>173620521
>>173621480
I would put some Angelic Snipes and Summon Golems in there
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>>173621606
You don't.

With the cards that exist now it is literally impossible to get rid of him.
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>>173621687
kaguya is the only real answer to it
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>>173621606
The best thing you can do is put in a brick tech like Kaguya or just kill the person dropping it.
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>>173620637
And then you cry when you get D-striked to death, unless they print something haven can play turn 4 on curve that doesn't need a evo ala Orthros DStrike is staying.
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41287
Need a concede
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Need a concede. 85352
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>>173621636
R-Rude
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>>173621675
>>173621687
>can't kill it
>still has a death line
Nice game shadowbabs
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>>173621549
Ask >>>/fa/
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>>173621193
no, of the golds i only have 2 tribunal, 2 themis, 1 judgei should have the others though
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>>173621107

craft kys blood instead and make dragon your bitch.
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>>173621815
Thanks!
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When will luna bullying end
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>>173621303
t. shadow poster
*banishes your board*
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>>173622041
until she becomes a old hag like Eris
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>>173620191
Thiccromancer is best Shadow girl
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>>173621796
octodad
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>>173622041
Never. T0 decks are unacceptable.
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>>173622103
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post trashy netdeck shibboleths
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I don't know if I should spend my vials for Eachtar or save them for some Dragon deck. I really liked shadow in RoB, but it doesn't look as appealing to me in ToG and Dragon is so expensive.
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>>173622103
You mean Necrothighssassin, right?
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>>173622351
Play blood.
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>>173622164
>t0 deck
>can get easily beat by Haven and Dragon

???
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>>173622412
Patrician taste
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>>173621589
That was posted in yesterdays thread you ape
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>>173622434
>positive winrate against both
Okay.
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>>173622351
play brick
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>>173622597
>muh winrate from a shitty nip site
lmao
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>>173621190
>bullying disco dragon
Rude
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>>173622421
I actually used to dislike blood but it seems much more appealing, people have been saying it's still a meme though (haven't been able to play much myself so I don't know) and I don't wanna throw away precious vials on memes.
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>>173622675
>fake news goyim
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>>173622597
What's the winrate anyway?
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>>173622164
>t0
Not yet, not until nothing but Shadow has positive winrate.
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>>173621549
It looks like some old military uniform, so probably some shop for cosplaying.
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>want to play meme decks
>can't because need to climb ranked fast to be at masters in time for next month so I can win 3 animated zeus for lots of vials
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>>173615820

No, it isn't. It's allowed to reset the entire board, with an additional effect, as Bahamut has shown.

But just nuking your opponents board, and banish no less, is just fucking broken as shit and invalidates any sort of control deck from ever succeeding again it.
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>>173622862
>people defend this meta
This is just like HS lmao
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>>173614874
Dankest brothers, lend me your aid.

Post your strongest budget decks. No legos allowed. No more than 5 golds but less is preferred.
We need a mega-pic to shitpost at the newbies with

>>173615014
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>>173622862
What haven deck are they using?
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>>173623081
Hearthstone is good right now actually. Literally every class is viable and most have multiple viable decks.
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>>173622862
I wish filthy bandwagoners would get off my skelingtons.
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>>173623254
Too bad it isn't poor friendly I'd jump ship instantly
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>>173623254
>Every class
I remember it having 9 classes, not 2.
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>>173623332
Me too Shadowbro.
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>>173623254
>this is what roguecucks actually believe
lmao
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>>173623254
5 gold has been deposited into your hearthstone account
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>>173623332
>hey let me abuse my op bullshit alone, stop getting it nerfed you bandwagoners
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>>173623239
Aegis, but that gets sub 50% winrates. All other variants are, in comparison, barely played compared to Aegis Haven.
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>>173623201
1-2 legos is still budget-friendly considering how many packs you get to start and the ability to reroll
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>>173622862

Wouldn't you have to individually compare every craft VS every craft to see where actual imbalances lay?
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>>173623558
Oh that sucks, the deck is so fucking boring to play
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>>173623479
It's not 30% usage so they aren't going to nerf shit.
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Any news on the incoming catacomb nerf?
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>>173623453
Quest Rogue probably isn't even the best deck
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>>173619160
source?
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53569 Concede please
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>>173623595
Well ideally, it's lego independant so they can mostly have a dailies set out of the box. then they can power up with the legos they drew at their discretion.

>>173623759
Nothing for at least another month as they let us fight it out.
It's unlikely he'll ever get nerfed since there's stuff people can do about him they just don't.
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>Lunashitters will defend this garbage

lmao

nice game shadowscum
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>>173623619
Not like that is any better.
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>People are complaining that the cutest girl in the game is now also the strongest
I'll never understand you guys, seriously.
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>>173623785
It's by far the worst designed and most cancerous deck right now, though.
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>>173623874
>It's unlikely he'll ever get nerfed since there's stuff people can do about him they just don't.

This.
>tell people that unica +grimnir absolutely wrecks the early game.
>get answered that nobody runs unica anymore because then they can't Bahazell as often

It's also always the dragonscucks who refuse to change.
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>>173622862
>expand game
>even less decks to play than before

l m a o

MTG pros at work
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Can someone possibly Post a budget haven deck or Dragon?
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>>173623952

>Plays Shadowverse
>Doesn't expect the Shadow class to be favored

Come on dude, what did you expect?
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>>173623952
>mirror match isn't 50/50

literally wut

That makes me skeptical of all the winrates
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>>173623952
Luna-chan STRONK
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>>173623952
>>173624001
SUGOI SUGOI
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>>173624187
Two variants of Shadow: Aggro and Mid.
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>>173624187
That's stats for Midrange Shadow, which beats everything right now.
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>>173624187
That's probably going first you dip.
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>>173623952

It's about time people caught up that midrange is the real powerhouse.
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>>173624357
C'mon anon
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>>173624357
Nope, it's just winrates by leader
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>>173624187
>He thinks mirror matches are 50-50
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>>173624412
>tfw you identified the best deck within 30 minutes of release and have been refining it since

Amazing
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>>173624412
Aggro is faster though and has a better matchup against Dragon.
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>>173624427
Midrange beats elf 70% of the time? Jesus christ.
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>>173623952
>>173624001
buff rune
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>>173624478
Are you fucking stupid?

If you take 100 shadow players and match them up against each other, it doesn't matter how an individual fares, 50 shadow players will win and 50 shadow players will lose.
>>
XD THEMIS
LE
LE REMOVAL LE
THEMIS LE!
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>>173624091
>tell people that unica +grimnir absolutely wrecks the early game.

This whole fucking expansion felt like it needed a nerf. Another 3 months of dev time probably would've resulted in a better expansion, they need to reduce the rate of expansion releases if they're just gonna churn out shit like this.
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>>173624412
This pretty much. I started playing mid shadow out of stubborness (and because I wanted to try fly king again) and I'm glad it turned out to be good (even if fly king is still meh).

Not too glad about it being the cancer of the season though. Hopefully the ban hammer isn't too heavy.
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>turn 1 goblin
>turn 2 spartoi
>turn 3 catacomb
>turn 4 orthus
>turn 5 cerberus
>turn 6 you concede because soon eachtar is coming and there's nothing you can do about it

I like how they "test" the game so much before release but nobody ever wondered if cost 3 catacomb was an actual good idea.

Even worse when last words stacks for some goddamn retarded motive.

They always have to create something really stupid and unfun every time a new expac comes. The fuck is wrong with cygames?
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>>173624625
Shitposters from /fgg/ can't/don't read, pay him no mind
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>>173623952
How can they realistically nerf anything without completely destroying the craft?
It's not like it's a single card problem, it's a combination of a lot of cards.

Also, shit like "hurrr remove Hector buff/summon/rush" is not a solution. Maybe increase zombie to 4 cost, but that would hardly change anything if you have board.
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>>173624356

So whats the list for this miracle fucking deck, because I can tell you, mine certainly isn't doing any better than my Daria during that expac, or my Midsword during every other expac, etc.
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>>173624412
It's about time everyone played midrange shadow and forget about other decks.
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>>173624724
Or
>turn 1 skull
>turn 2 leeching
>turn 3 catacomb
>turn 4 urd
>turn 5 cerb

this is the latest meme
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>>173624806
Phantom Howl nerf would probably do it. If you remove Shadow's reach then boardwipe classes can actually stabilize.
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>>173624806
>if they touch a single card of my 60% winrate deck it will be completely destroyed
ok shadowtard
>>
>be lord of cucks rowan
>can only play retarded decks and win so rarely you always emote spam and post it online when you do
>bribe gooks to put you tier 1
>jerk small dick and yell h-hear the dragons roar but your mom tells you to be quiet
>keep playing dumb dragon decks in c rank

>tfw can't post this copypasta anymore
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>>173620521
Shove 1-2 daria in there to reset your hand immediately into full boards/cheap removal when you burn out your hand
2-3 Fiery Embraces for removal to help cover force drops
2-3 rimewinds help you keep your snow board up
Chuck glow for wind blast
Snipes for more cheap boost and trade pings if you care for that
You can take Uriel for consistency
Secrets of Erasmus gives you a strong late-game body and hits immune/ambush
Rune blade summoner gives you a lightning rod
Arcane enlightenment can be covered by a third fiery embrace and doesn't give the opponent more answers if they're burning up their hand
If you're finding you need more cards that work when played, Anne gives you a rush double attack
1 Animated penguin wizard for MVP
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>>173624806
The problem is phantom howl/Eachtar. You have too many ways to generate shadows and flood the board.
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>>173624806
Simply nerfing catacomb will solve at least 80% of the problem.
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>>173624931
Phantom Howl is not the problem
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>>173624931
This so much.
I lose most matches against shadow because of that utterly retarded card
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>>173624819
There's so many variations of the deck so I'm not sure which one is the best right now. But the top guy in Masters has like 70% WR with the deck judging from his records so I guess it's pretty fucking strong.
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>>173624502
Same. First thing I did after opening packs was craft 3 hectors and go midrange.
I've been falling for the "aggro shadow is amazing" meme way to many times already in previous expansions to buy it again.

I still tried it now and it's still a "pray you draw howl and cerb before turn 6, deal 9 damage and pray you don't get warded" rng deck, it's just more reliable in the 9 damage part
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>>173623759
The only thing thing that still needs to be nerfed is Phantom Howl.
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>>173624931
A lot of midrange doesn't even run that.
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>>173624170
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>>173625050
There's no singular problem, but removing reach would make it less oppressive.
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>>173625013
Ok, go ahead and think of a catacomb nerf when his effect already just gives (1) skeleton to each follower and his stats are 1/1
what do you want to nerf?
you can't go lower than 1
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>>173625004
>phantom howl
well then you better give up because they're never nerfing a standard card
>>
They really need to nerf Shadow Reaper, it's really fucked up how it can grow out of control if you don't have an answer for it then you just lose, it's stupid.
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>>173624931
A lot of midrange lists don't even run it anymore. What you'd be doing is just making all of the aggro hop on to the midrange badwagon and for that to be the defacto best deck.
>>
>Took cygames two months to figure out 1 pp removal and a guaranteed roach pull mana tutor was bullshit and broke the game balance

So I guess we still have one more month and a half of midrange shadow rape?
>>
>next chapters will be available soon
Did they lie to us? Do we know when they will come?
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>>173625173
And they likely have shitty winrates against Haven and Dragon because of it. If you're not running Phantom Howl, you're gimping yourself.
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>>173625004
>the problem is all of these ramp cards
>you have way too many ways to ramp
>the problem is all of these board clear cards
>you have way too many ways to clear the board
>the problem is all of these healing cards
>you have way too many ways to heal
>the problem is all of these amulet cards
>you have way too many ways to pop amulets
>the problem is all of these token generation cards
>you have way too many ways to buff these tokens

Etc etc.

These are all about different decks in different expansions. Can you spot which is which?/
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>>173625183
There is definitely a singular problem and it was introduced in ToG
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>>173625212
Shadow main here
Make Catacomb a 4 mana 2/2
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>>173624931
I agree that its reached is insane but how would you nerf it? Additional cost? Maybe it consumes more shadows?
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>>173625179
I pulled 1 sybil and Lightning bolt last night, and one zell, can you include the code with it please??
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>>173624940
Yes, because a lot of people kept playing roach and Dorothy after their nerf, right?
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>>173624724
Jokes on you brah, I concede by turn 3 when shadowniggers curve out. Like today, when 3 out of 4 of them curved perfectly.

4 of 6 total opponents shadow, much fun xD
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>>173625343
I bet you thought the Piercing Rune nerf was going to be ineffective
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>>173625212
Cost 5, can't stack last words.

Problem solved.
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>>173625212
Increase his cost, or make his effect doesn't give himself the last word, or turn the fanfare into a necromancy.
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>he tries to save himself with false idols
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>>173625212
Why not make it that catacomb requires one necromany for each skeleton so they can't use him on curve on turn 3?
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BLADE SHIFT
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>>173625461
Try to stick to the topic at hand buddy
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>>173625464
Fuck off Ben, we don't want you here
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>>173625571
Why? You're an idiot and not worth arguing with.
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>>173625443
4dpt
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>>173623254
>viable
>aka forced archetype legendaries with actual text on them literally telling you how to build your deck
>the quests all have OP as fuck rewards (one of them is 2 mana to do 8 random damage that can hit a minion or the other player every turn) so you're indirectly punished if you don't play blizz's braindead froced deck builds
>have to spend hundreds of dollars to build 1-2 competitive decks for standard mode
>three expansions were all rotated to Wild at the same time so if you want to play Standard competitively you're basically forced to buy the new expansion with the new busted cards

checked it out for a few days and im not impressed. also they somehow fucked up their servers and now over half the people on my friends list have been magically deleted. small indie servers i guess.
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>>173625212
He now costs 12pp.
Fixed
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>>173625415
Yeah probably make it cost 5 or 6.
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Now I understand
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What is the difference between aggro shadow and midrange?
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>>173625449
>waaaahhhh my tier 0 deck might become a tier 1 or 1.5 deck
we really need another banishcaust
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>>173625637
>you're an idiot not worth arguing with
>keeps responding

LOL, what a retard!
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>>173625781
zombie party, immortal thane, and death's breath
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Oh no.. you cleared my board AND managed to put up a weak ward to hide your low health leader behind
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>>173625781
Midrange makes you pull your hair out
>>
Which female leader has the smelliest feet?
>>
>>173625342
>Ramp dragon
>Ramp dragon
>Elana
>Seraph haven
>Mid shadow
>Tempo forest
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>>173625937
Not Vampy, she always washes them!
>>
>ToG comes
>all excited about new legos
>thinking of paying for some packs just for fun
>decide to wait and see what's hot
>game turned into a shadow shitfest without hope for salvation

I'm so fucking glad I saved my money from this broken garbage.

Never ever invest money in SV. It's just not worth it.
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>constant crying about shadow
>dragons pretending they arent also the problem
>havens refusing to adapt to meta and crying the hardest
JUST
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>>173625735
Low masters must be filled with d shift if this is true
Nips are autists who play nothing but d shift no matter how awful it is
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>>173625869
This card with a Cerberus the previous turn is 9 face damage, 11 if she has an evolve
It is essentially a turn 6 Albert, but its fine and balanced because shadow
Fucking retarded
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Shadow is just something broken overall. Hell, Nep was broken. The problem is that Cygames doesn't realize Shadow is actually a exploit far close to Roach. They need to fix the game at this point.
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>>173625665
Im short 44190 vials and I have right now 2160...Fuck
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>>173626029
No different from RoB.
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Which shadow cards will see a nerf?
So I know which cards to not vial yet.

What do you think?
Prince Catacomb for sure, what else?
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>>173626145
>Nep was broken

nigga you dumb as fuck
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>>173626145
>Hell, Nep was broken.
Hilarious
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>>173626029
>RoB comes
>all excited about new legos
>thinking of paying for some packs just for fun
>decide to wait and see what's hot
>game turned into a Daria shitfest without hope for salvation
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>tfw you made a haven deck with forbidden ritual just to fuck shadowbbs and still lost the match

hahaha oh wow

this game is hopeless
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>>173626145
>Nep was broken

Get over it already, dragoncuck. Should've played storm dragon instead of Sahamemes.
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>>173626040
Dragon is the Timmy class, they only care about jacking off and ramp up so they can play their big guys. Nothing else matters to them.
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>>173626154
>>173625443
You are getting memed on you idiot, look at the deck, It's full of legendaries, it's anything BUT budget.

>>173626246
>misplay
>blame the game
:^)
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>>173626207
>>173626216
Nep+Mordecai+Khawy 3 broken cards at its full power. How wasn't that broken?
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>>173626145
Khawy was broken not nep

I don't understand why noone runs nep anymore
Dragonfags start getting greedy and dropping their blasts
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>>173626335
>not 30/30/30

This triggers mine.
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>>173626246
Just themis it, bro.
Just blackened scripture it, bro.
Haven should have positive win rates against Shadow with all the removals that it has, haha.
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>>173626246
Aggro going first has a better chance of beating her than haven
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>>173626186
>>173626227
Exactly.

Pretty much the reason why I decided to wait before spending in case there was a Daria 2.0.

Surprise: there was.
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>>173626384
Because it didn't have the early game to support it. By the time you got there Daria and Roach had already set up lethal. Check the winrates, it wasn't broken.
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>>173626384
Probably because it barely had 50%, and that only AFTER the juggernauts that were Daria and Roach got nerfed
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>>173626429
But it's true.

I just played against a Haven as Shadow.
I couldn't get him down.
Scripture, scripture. Tribunal, themis, death sentence, various heals and wards, another themis. Le exploding lion.

Aegis.

What do I do?
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>>173626384
>turn 8
>need to gimp half your deck for that single turn play

You could've at least tried playing it yourself, you know.
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>opening Grimnir after Grimnir after crafting 3
MAKE IT STOP
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>>173626384
If you guys actually played the decks you talked about you might not sound so retarded
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>>173626246
Just saha luci isra it bro
Just ward up bro
Just grimnir it bro
Just ToS aegis it bro
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>>173626520
it bullied other control decks. not quite as bad as current dragon, so in that regard it was fine but at the time it was "draw odin or lose".
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>>173626589
Why are you still opening TOG?
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>>173626380
Yeah I noticed that aswell, But still I need more vials anyway
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>>173626384
Mordecai sucks
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I hope you guys realize cygames themselves told us the problem with this expansion, they focused on dragon, shadow and blood and gave jackshit to other crafts, although blood didn't come out as good.

Hell I think they could even get away with NOT nerfing shadow if they just adjusted other crafts based on the current meta. If they gave haven a little push, it could drive away most of the shadow and dragon so other crafts would have more space themselves.
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>>173626665
>"draw odin or lose".
Yeah no other class came close to anything like that.
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>>173626665
It bullied one other control deck, Dragoncuck. Dshift wins on turn 8, so Nep lost that matchup, too. You're literally mad that Nep was good in one matchup.
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>>173626246
>play against haven
>turn 3 ritual
>literally nothing I can do
>concede

See, I can do this too. That one game you've lost doesn't mean shit. unless they were midrange, then get fucked havenshitter
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>>173626691
Because I don't really need anything from standard outside of Lord Atomemes.
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>>173626418
Nep (still) bring out other 3 gimmick cards along with her hot 5/5 body. Holy shit, this thing should be removed even now.
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Is owlcat usable in any kind of legitimate constructed deck?
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Help me with my quest please
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>>173626949
Just post the room code, not your whole ID.
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>>173626691
TOG has the highest vial value out of all packs
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>>173626845
>eslcucks too stupid to beat nep

Hard to imagine other countries could have such terrible education
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>>173626762
CBlood had a poor matchup against Nep since the deck was better at grinding out games. Nep had enough wards to keep CSword at bay and then the Nep swing was usually enough to heal out of Albert range and put them on the defensive unless they had Odin in hand.

Haven had a chance if they saved evolves and cuckgels but having to do that makes up for Neps lack of early game.
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>>173626418
r8 my deck
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>>173626910
Neutral aggro?
Dunno prob not

It's at best a tech card against suicideblood for yurius and spiderimp
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>>173626665
Yes, but it was also "draw Odin and win." Nep's early game was always crap so other control decks weren't really pressured, and could just sit there and stall and draw to try to get to Odin. You know how many times I would turn 8 Nep into turn 9 Nep/Morde just to watch both Mordecais get banished? And if you played a 2478 variant to try to push a better midgame with Liches and Urds to push that pressure you'd just bend over for Daria and aggro.
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>>173626561
Sounds like you curved badly or he managed to miraculously get all the necessary removals.

You should probably play midrange, in that case. Positive winrate against any craft, save for mirror midrange match ups.
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>>173626575
>>173626607
So ***remove*** turn 9 do-nothing Aegis. But nep DO A LOT is fine?
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Wat do?
I drafted one Seraph already.
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>>173627050
>trial of light
I don't understand
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>>173620365
BM isn't made for Aggro decks, retard. Of course SD/Belph are better for activating vengeance.
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Remember that it is your moral duty to rope Luna and Mordecai.
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>>173627047
>two shitty control decks lost to nep

woah its almost like playing meme decks is a bad idea

And Haven beat the shit out of Nep. Seraph is a turn 9 kill. You're fucking dumb m8
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>>173626986
What is a room code? Do you mean the match ID? The room code 85934
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>>173626748
Goddamn the haven victim complex is ridiculous. It can easily tech against shadow and do well but all I see in these threads are old hags crying and begging for nerfs or even more haven cards that are good against it
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>>173627012
>falling for bait
kys bloodcuck
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>>173627268
Everyone was playing Sun Satan because it had good Forest and Daria matchups, anon.

Seraph wasn't even that good in that meta.
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>>173627314
They're just going to call you a pedo and post jew memes.
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>>173627157
Just want to mention that "positive winrate" doesn't mean every match is winnable.

Even absolute top decks will probably not have much over 60% win rate overall.
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>>173627257
>too dumb to understand subtext

The implication is that kys is a better deck than cblood because dealer is better than blood moon. Which is what the pic I posted shows, kys beating a bm cblood deck.
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>>173627083
I was considering using it in shadow in lieu of lyrials
Would help a lot against those 1/3 and 1/4 wards but I dont know how worth it it'd be
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>>173627369
Before the nerfs no one was playing Nep anyway, because Forest and Daria murdered them so badly. She only popped up after because Dragon saw a boost in play.
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>>173626748
Dunno, Blood is in a pretty good state right now. It's just not cancer good.
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>>173627251

I needed something to put in my 2 drop spot that wasn't a follower.
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>>173627047
Seraph, Dshift and most aggro were fucking autolose most of the time for Nep.
You could do something with aggro if you luck out but not the others. It has more bad match ups than the dragon/Nep match up yet Dragoncucks cried the hardest.

Right now there is absolutely no point in playing Nep because you absolutely won't survive to turn 8 anyway and if you do there's an aegis at the end. .
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>People were complaining because forest has positive winrate against all other classes back in standard even though they are only around 52% on average

How does it feel to have a meta where there are only 2 viable classes and one of them have over 60% winrate?
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>>173627581
And you picked that instead of rise of the dead?
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There there little Luna
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>>173627369
>Everyone was playing Sun Satan
they were played about the same, and while it was a fun deck, seraph was better in every way

however I did put one satan in my seraph deck back then because of pesky odins
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>>173627421
Cblood destroys kys though. And BM doesn't set up a turn 6 lethal for your Forest opponent.
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>>173627547

The only thing holding Blood back are dumb dumbs who bought into the snek meme and Shadow. Kys and Azrael otk are good.
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>>173627174
Saha is pretty shitty in arena but I'm assuming you already drafted left
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Is Shadow a high enough play rate to just target it completely and get by?
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>>173627547
Sn... Sn-Snek is pretty... broken.
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>>173627624
>LE X IS NOT VIABLE

I can literally go and win games with every single class out there right now, even Forest, Sword and Rune.
You bitching shitcunts in /svg/ need to stop crying so much over a few percent here or there overall win rate.

Get good, use your own brain and stop blindly following deck lists. If something is a problem for you, put cards in your deck that solve that problem.
Morons.
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>>173627756

Yes. And remember to rope against them.
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>>173627665

I vialed them.
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>>173627756
25% of the ladder right now is Shadow.
23% is Dragon
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>>173627756
if shadowlog is anything to go by, you'll face as many dragons as you face shadow

my experience is comparable to that at least
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>>173627624
Fells vials man
Can't wait for that nerf in 2 months

>>173627756
No
You still run into a lot of dragon and d shift in masters

The slower you go the harder you lose
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>>173627731
Snek is good though. People just shoehorns them into Control decks and then wonder why it's not working. Snakes needs a dedicated deck to be consistent.
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>>173627756
Targeting shadow means you'll just get dicked by dragon
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>>173627731
Azrael otk is really something to watch out. It's really easy to say that Cygames would rather touch that than Shadow.
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>>173627735
>>173627174
How hard am I going to brick? :^)
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Does anyone have the alternate animated artwork for Cerberus? Ive looked everywhere for it but cant find anything but pngs
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>>173627410
That extra 10% adds up and even accounting for variance due to different match ups, you'll still come out positive when playing the games with a deck that is being proven to have a positive match up against all the crafts, even the one that it is traditionally weak to.
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>>173627826

Look. There is no reason to believe that other classes can't do well in any meta. If you are smart enough, you can always have a positive winrate on any class no matter what meta it is.

However, normal plebs including myself will have average winrate on the classes according to stats reported. Do you think it is healthy for a game where one class get more than 60% winrate and people are only interested in playing 2 of the 7 classes?
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>>173616428
>>173616846
>"Storm Haven is dead"
>that feel when got wrecked by 11 damage on turn 6 from storm haven with Dark Jeanne buffing a freshly popped Beastcall Aria and Divine Birdsong
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>>173628164
No, I'm not saying that it's good and balanced, I'm saying that these "It's over, only Shadow and Dragon are worth playing at all" doomsayer posts are stupid.

The situation is not as bad as people make it out to be if you were to believe the whining in here.
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>>173628102
Why? Alternative art is a proof that you're a scrub.
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>>173628035
5 legos for 5 wins
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>>173627727

Kys destroys dragon harder than cblood can destroy any other deck. Kys is overall stronger against the meta and I don't see any reason why kys would lose to cblood. The only time I've lost to cblood is when the guy played 3 Righteous Devil on me in a row. In any case, blood vs blood is a very volatile matchup and most of my matches against blood end in lucky draws or lucky airjammer pulls. I wouldn't put either deck advantageous over the other.

Dealer and Airjammer also mitigate the roach combo so forest isn't that bad. Aeirin and queen is a much easier way to cuck kys.

cblood as a whole is fairly weak aside from Azrael/Laura shenanigans.
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>saha the israfil
>zell the saha
>have 3 followers from empty board with rush for only 1 evolve and a 2 damage aoe for 9 pp
I love it
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so can anyone without memeing me Post a good dragoncraft deck thats soft on the vials?
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>>173628220
Storm is in a way better spot than during previous expansion. Only retards believe it's dead.
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When a site like shadowlog shows stats for "mid range shadow" like so: http://shadowlog.com/trend/2017/14/4/41
How does the site decide which deck exactly IS the "midrange shadow"? What if some guy uses 2 different cards? Is he no longer midrange shadow?
Just wondering how this even works, not everyone has the EXACT same deck down to every last card.
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>>173628432
>good
>dragon
>soft on vials
What do you need it for?
If you're desperate to get dragon dailies done play the wildfang OTK deck
30% winrate, but better than nothing
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>>173628408
outplayed
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>>173628318
>I'm saying that these "It's over, only Shadow and Dragon are worth playing at all" doomsayer posts are stupid.

Did my original post implied this? I was just asking how would you feel about the current states while people complaining about the small advantage that forest had back in the days.
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>>173628432

The Ouroboros on the far right are completely optional and Rahabs can be swapped for Dragon Warriors.
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>>173628557
You should feel bad about yourself. Luna pedo!
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>>173628507
The players report the stats to shadowlog and shadowlog compiles it all. They note somewhere that stats can be inaccurate due to players improperly reporting stuff
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>>173628342
Because i think it looks cool
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>>173628507
If he's playing shit that gives value off of last words like death's attendant, lurching corpse, etc. it's midrange. If it's just curving out with skeleton man for extra value then it's aggro.
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>>173628654
They're so optional you can't even see them!
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>>173628673
So shadowlog is ONLY voluntary data given by mobile players in Japan?
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>>173628716
I have not seen a single deck running death's attendant or lurching corpse.
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Catacomb pool

http://www.strawpoll.me/12719443
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>>173628654
>ouroboros
>optional
If you cut the ouros drop the number of zells in the deck to 2 and add a unica or another blazing breath
If you drop ouro also add another luci and isra

Actually just don't drop the ouros
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>>173628654
>>173628432
>>173628729

Forgot pic
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>>173628812
Anyone can include their stats
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>>173628385
>The only time I've lost to cblood is when the guy played 3 Righteous Devil on me in a row.
That or BM+Drain into Devil of Vengeance/SD/Bel at turn 4 or Rev into Airjammer. Cblood needs to brick hard to lose against kys. Control also has Mary/Dealer shenanigans btw.
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>>173628937

Mary and dealer is an ancient meme.

>That or BM+Drain into Devil of Vengeance/SD/Bel at turn 4 or Rev into Airjammer

That's the exact same play that kys is making every game. In fact, if you don't, you're probably going to lose.
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Can't believe I almost lost because grave desecration kept leeching my shadows and I didn't have enough for Andras storm effect.
And boy I'm glad Gawaiin isn't a commander
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>>173625984

Close!

The second was actually Stormhaven.
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>>173628035
Pray that they don't have an Olivia to make your life even more hell. Good luck, and have fun.

>>173628318
You're probably right in saying that it's probably not as bad as /svg/ is making it out to be. That said, it's pretty hard to deny that the top dogs are solidly Dragon and Shadow.

I'm sure, however, that Sword will be able to make a comeback. That craft honestly has most of the tools to be able to make a comeback in the meta. Sword never dies.

>>173628432
If you're going for dailies, just meme it out with a neutralcraft deck with the occasional lego or two to round it out.
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>>173628845
>http://www.strawpoll.me/12719443
where's the "no nerf required" option
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>>173628845
Where's the "The creator of this poll should just get good"
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>>173629076
But storm didn't run board clears.
Unless you mean how people were complaining about how Themis left Aria up
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>>173628937

You do realize that minus the bm, that's the same play that makes kys so powerful right? kys and control blood are pretty similar except kys plays more storm cards like general and lancer.
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can i get a concede pls
33253
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>>173625096
What list is he running?
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>>173629430
thank you
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>>173629101
>That craft honestly has most of the tools to be able to make a comeback in the meta.
That's pretty bullshit. It lacks healing and aoe which are kind of important now. It's a straightforward board control craft in a meta where the second best deck has amazing removal and the best craft shits board control with 0 effort. The only way it possibly stops sucking is hyper aggro or some shit.
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Why is Grimnir's evolution so Chuuni?
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>11 pages of golds and leggos
>Still can't play wallet Dragon

This game has gotten kind of expensive.
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>>173629942
just put dimension shift in your ramp deck it's autowin
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>>173629942
Just do some research and liquefy the shit cards. It looks like you probably would have enough dust to make the Storm ramp variant.
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>>173629724
Because he's a chuuni
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>>173629942
You need to let go of some of the shit golds and leggos that aren't even meme tier.
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fairy princess and elf queen in ptp shadow
what do you think?
both decks are memes so twice as many memes might have potential
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>>173629305

Yep, pretty much. Same reason people are bitching about Dragon now, except Dragon's board clear is much better.
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>>173628220
Storm has always been at ~50% WR since RoB. It's not tier 1 anymore but it works well enough for dailies and has amusingly remained Haven's only deck with at least 50% WR.
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>>173630472
I'm gonna ignore the "ptp shadow" part and just say go read what Elf Queen does friend
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>be a long time Shadow player
>this expansion hits
>now I'm just another 'bandwagonner'
At least it's not as bad as last expansion when my favorite craft dominated for a while and my most hyped and favorite card is now a shadow of a meme.
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>>173614874
Why do people in ranked suck so fucking bad?

I'm in B1 now, but I can easily go 9 games winning before even losing 1.

I'm playing Swordcraft Midrange if that makes any difference.
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>>173614874
>dat Pascale
HNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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>>173630603
Unga is the way to go baby. Control decks are a waste of everyone's time.
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>>173628350
Well already lost one to some shadow player who played 2 Balors in a row, turn 8 call of cocytus, then servant into Zeus while I drew exactly 0 out of my legos.

With the absolute shit luck that I have, T2 is not for me.
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>>173630702
>Why do people in ranked suck so fucking bad?
>
>I'm in B1 now
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>>173630472
Not only you can't read but you're also one of these idiots calling everything a meme. Kys.
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>>173630774
Dude you have to play a lot of games to get to B1, it's not excuse. I see full power ramp dragon and they still lose.
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>>173630631
I don't think the Nep deck ever dominated lol.
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>>173630472
>2 forest cards were nerfed for a neutral meme
Don't remind me.
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>>173630631
Nep 'dominated' unranked where all the ramp players were exiled to back in RoB.
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>>173615820
It fuck over Haven super hard because of the cooldown amulet mechanic.
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>>173630905
I said my favorite craft, as in not Shadow. I mainly use Blood.
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>>173630735
My last T2 game was against a dragon going first who curved Egg > Ramp > Rahab and then played that 3PP 2/3 that deals 2 and discards a card. He discarded Luxfang Kit
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>>173630797
>>173630604
sorry I ment rose queen
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New player here, has the meta settled enough already to recommend me a deck I should focus on?
I'm mainly using spellboost daria and a budget aggro shadow, should I just craft another daria/Cerberus or try something completely different?
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>>173626063
>these same svg shitters were saying in RoB that aggro shadow was a meme deck
loving every second of it.
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How long you think this game is going to last with the blatant powercreep every expansion? Every time I play against Daria as Dragon or Shadow it feels so pitiful, if there are decks coming in that could make current Dragon/Shadow feel that weak I don't know if I would want to keep playing.
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>>173631430
It was though
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>>173631397
Focus on aggro shadow. It has been good for 2 metas now. Even if they nerf them this meta it'll still be good.
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>>173631146
Just lost another one because the opponent had an Olivia. Never saw any of my legos either.
Fuck this game.
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>>173631474
sorry about your inferno dragon bro
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>>173631397
Just continue on your aggro Shadow considering they've only gotten better and are the thorn in everyone's side right now.
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>>173631505
It was a tier 2 deck for the longest time. It wasn't a meme at all.
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>>173631397
>2 meme dealer

Kill yourself
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>>173630996
Ramp was frequently in the top five most played decks in RoB. I had plenty of Ramp mirror matchups in AA back then too.
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>Want Squasher sleeve.
>don't want to grind 10k points through the fucking shit of Aegis and Shadow.
Eurgh.
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>>173631474
What's actually the issue with powercreep? I understand why it's frustrating in a physical card game when your old cards are completely obsolete, because you're forced to purchase the new shit. But it's pretty easy to go f2p with Shadowverse and still keep up with the new decks, and I want to play with new cards every expansion anyway.

I think powercreep might be a spook
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>>173631397
>three golem
My condolences. At least you have great animated legos.
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>>173631553
>>173631638
So from what I've seen it's pretty safe to liquefy at least 1 hulking giant and 2 mythril golems, with all my vials I could craft three legendaries, would another cerberus and 2 eachtar make sense?
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>>173631736
>he still thinks soul dealer is bad

LOL, what a retard!
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>>173631474
Even if the devs decide to go even fuller retard than they currently have done so, the game will stay around for a bit with how Cygames is cornering the Asian market with their CCG.

A new meta may come and go and it may be even more stupider than what we are going through, but so long as you have people playing the game, it's going to last. Real question is whether the game is worth continuing for the more dedicated players. Casuals will be willing to put up with retarded decisions from the devs.
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>it's a "dragon is 4 mana ahead of you on turn 5" episode
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>>173631875
I'm already at 7k just from playing the first 3 days and doing dailies since then
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>themis
>standard gold 6 mana
>destroy all followers

>homecoming
>standard gold 7 mana
>bounce all storm followers so they can be played again

when will the blatant favoritism end?
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>>173631998

it's a meme you dip!
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>>173631875
How fucking bad are you for thinking that 10k is a big deal
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>>173631875
Make your own aggro/midrange Shadow. Should be fucking cheap as they mostly consist of old cards.
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>>173631968
I still use one in my daria deck, the second and third ones were painful though.
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>>173632115
who said 10k is a big deal you raging fucking autist?
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>>173632115
How much autism do you have to sit and autopilot the same decks every day?
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>>173632071
Different classes + bouncing is a benefit for knife ears.
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>>173632250
I get 20k each month just doing dailies plus a few fun games with meme decks
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>>173631875
>thinking the sleeve is much

got that in a few days tops
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>>173632183
You, scrub.
>>173632250
Nice projection.
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>>173631598
At least I got my revenge at the end.
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>>173631941

It depends on how the powercreep comes in. If every T1 deck is going to be a wallet deck, then fuck that.
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>>173631984
If you have no intention of ever playing Earth Rite Rune, vial them all. I would personally just finish the last 2 Cerberus and 1 Eachtar as he's only a finisher in aggro for the most part and not always used. Though going 2 of each is a good stepping stone towards midrange.
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>>173631984
One Cerb for sure would be good. Eachtar is good but you can probably wait a bit and decide if you want to play a pure aggro shadow deck or a midrange list (where Eachtar would be best)
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>>173632452
That's fair, but it's not quite the same as saying that powercreep is the problem.
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Do vampires and demons wash their feet?
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>>173632071
>Sacred Plea

>Harvest Festival
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>>173631598
>Olivia

I TOLD YOU, BRO

I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE FREE EVOS
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Do I vial this slut?

Is she even useful anymore?
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>>173632758
>anymore
She has never been even remotely useful at any point ever.
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>>173632475
cursed soldier is a good and cheap aggro finisher he should save those vials for phantom howl instead
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>>173632071
Sorry, you were under the impression that Forest should get to have tools to succeed as the combo class. Please take these wards as compensation.
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>>173632758
I've literally never seen her get played in my life.
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>>173628891
Funny thing is I do have 2 Rahabs, Pulled them last night the Breath of the salamanders though, I do not have..for whatever reason

And Im short on 2 Grimners pulled one last night aswel (got like 21 packs Pulled 2 leggos Sybil and something else)
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>>173632758
God fucking no, she's literally worse than Eidolon in this meta

At least Eidolon works with tainted grail
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>>173632758
I'm of the opinion to hold onto your legos in the event the meta shifts.

But not even the devs are able to make any good use of Jeanne despite her being the face of Haven. How they managed to fuck that up beyond belief boggles my brain.
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>>173632758
Dark Jeanne is 10x better.
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>>173631984
3 Cerberus is a must for aggro shadow, I'd also say at least 1 eachtar is great for aggro shadow
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>>173632758
Holy shit I just realized. Jeanne D'arc > D'arc Jeanne > Dark Jeanne.
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>>173632475
>>173632480
Having midrange and aggro for variety seems fun, after a quick google search I'm just missing 6 golds excluding the legendaries for a midrange deck, seems achievable.

thanks for the help.
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Quick question to always ask before vialing anything:

Am I going to craft something RIGHT NOW?
If no, then don't vial!
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>want to play forest
>no wolves or bolts
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>>173632664
>sacred pea
>1 mana draw 2 cards

>harvest festival
>4 mana then at least another 6 to draw 2 cards

elf genocide is real
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>>173633189

No to mention it occupy a fucking space which hinders the combo.
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I want to craft Dark Jeanne, should I?
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Oh no, Luna disconnected!
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>>173633189
elves getting raped

just like my doujins
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>>173633379
I made one for this deck. It's pretty fun.
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>>173633142
Yeah, midrange is probably the better goal. And I wouldn't feel bad about vialing the Giants and Golems. Since release Earth Rite has never really stood out, and it's no different now unless Cygames does some number tweaks during this expansion (no chance) that miraculously make it super good.
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>>173633189
People said harvest festival was super op card during standard and would remain valuable even it costs 4pp. I am not making this up.
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DELETE DEATH'S BREATH
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>Have exact lethal
>Opponent plays Mask of Black Death
>I have execute in hand
That felt way too good.
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>>173633750
Look, we get it, your face deck can't win when your opponent can block.
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>>173633750
Guilty kek
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>>173633750

hungry man it
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>>173633750
Just Themis Blast it, bro.
Just Hungry Blade it, bro.
Just Breath of the Wind Blast it, bro.
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>>173632758
she was used in sun satan decks during standard
satan cat also used her in rob
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>>173633750
Just ram a t6 Temptress Vampire up Luna's ass
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hey /svg/

you're cardfu a shit
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>>173634286
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>>173634286
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>>173634286
I know RIP in stony pieces, Seraph. ;_;
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Holy shit I just wanna stick my thick dick in Luna's baby cave and make a deposit at the pregnancy bank with my papa paste mother fucker I'm gonna give her the biggest blow-your-brains out fuck with shotgun yes yes fucking take it so hard I love Luna so much I'm gonna make a happy family with her and give her the biggest cherry pie flavored banging she could ever ask for stick the butter in her snatch for slippery fun and fuck her raw until she thinks of nothing but getting more of my dick because I want her to be happy and loved and nothing says love more than me sticking my FUCKING PENIS in her!

Fucking take it you sexy fox oh yeah feel the big sausage, the big, candylike sausage that feels like you could cum from any second because you know it's true that you like to boogaloo!

Fuck yeah happy fucking birthday fuck I fucking love you and love to fuck you with the goal of making a family you know you want it oh yeah forget about any lesbo shit you need to become a mother right this instant!

Fucking take you to the library and decimate your Dewey hole you wonderful snatchface fuck yeah so beautiful I need to suck on them titties and fuck you raw like the tensomething beautiful woman that you are!

FUCK YEAH LOVE YOU WANNA MAKE LOVEEEEEE MAKE LOOOoooOOOoooOOOVE GOOD LORD MY ICK IS SO HARD THAT I CAN BALANAE MY LAPTOP ON IT AND STROKE WHILE I WRITE THIS I FUCKING LOVVE YOU LUNA!
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>>173634393
Fuck off, Lunapedo
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>>173633750
did he died?
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>>173634393
>I need to suck on them titties
luna is flat, delet this
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What's the funnest deck that's viable in the game?
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>>173634635
>only large tits can be sucked
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>>173632250
>every day
>measly 10k score

lmao
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>>173634807
Mid shadow or vengeance blood
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>>173634807
t6 snakes

Dont fall for the frog memes it blows ass because of how slow it is
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>>173633487

what's the point of Jeanne here if it's just gonna kill your birds?

will also backfire on your ass if the enemy is playing shit with more than 2 health
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>>173634635
Doesn't her swimsuit art show her having like B cups or something
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>>173634907
the only deck I've lost to in the last 10 games was frog memes
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>>173634843
she has no tits to speak of in the first place
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evens i dust half my lego collection for three aegis

odds i dust half my lego collection for three eachtors
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>>173635042
rip
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>>173634807
OTK Azazel
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>>173635042
don't
just wait a week to get the vials
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>>173635042
I'm just gonna say this as a Haven mainer, don't do it, bro. Just go with Shadow Lenin. You'll have success and moderately good times in this meta at least.
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>>173635042
aegis is shit don't do it
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>>173635042
please reconsider
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>>173635042
Aegis is OP do it anon and post results
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>>173635042
>three aegis
You only need two.
>>
Do you have to reroll for this game? Every guide says to do so

It's a shame cause it seems fun but rerolling is a total turn off.
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>>173635459
I didn't do it, and I started in January. Rerolling is good if you really know what you want to build, but it's by no means necessary with how many packs Cygames gives out
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>>173635459
Rerolling helps to ensure that you have a good start and that you aren't starved for decent cards. It's easier to start the game with a few good legendaries rather than climbing up and constructing your own legos with vials or that RNG would be kind to you long after you have made some meaningful progress in the game.
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How do we fix sword so that it's not almost entirely reliant on storm for winning matches?
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>>173635459
You don't have to but it's pretty helpful to at least have a decent roll
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>>173635459
I would probably recommend it.
When I started in Darkness Evolved, bannermeme and Storm Haven were both super cheap and effective. Decks are a bit more expensive now.
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>>173635459
You'll really, really want to reroll anon.
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>>173635459
You only need to reroll if you want a T1 deck right away to get to masters in a month. But, on the other hand, there isn't much of a incentive to get to higher ranks so fast.
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>>173635634

Simple. We load the entire deck with rush followers that will survive trades with followers that are 1pp below their curve.
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>>173635787
oh wait...
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>forest is so shit I can't even finish the story with it
>>
I got one from a pack. She is fun for storm. 11 face damage + board clear when you sync eagle and aria. Not sure if viable though.
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>>173635459
Just automate it if you aren't already doing so.

How to automate rerolling:
1.Download Nox App player, open settings and make sure "Root" is ON
2.Install Shadowverse and Root browser
3.Open Shadowverse
4.Hit Ctrl+9 to open the macro recorder
5.Click the "start/resume" button at the top.
6.Skip through tutorial, open your packs, and open your card collection screen while filtering legendaries
7.Click the stop button, it will save your script

If your reroll is good this is the point where you link your account, otherwise continue to step 8.

8.Close out of the shadowverse app
9.Open Root browser and navigate to data/data/com.Cygames.Shadowverse/shared_prefs
10a.If your reroll is bad delete the file titled "com.cygames.Shadowverse.v2.playerprefs.xml" (click and hold the file until the menu appears)
10b.If you want to keep rerolling but you don't want to lose your current account rename it something else
11.Reopen shadowverse, you will be prompted to make a new account
12.Click the play button next to the script you made earlier
13.Jack off until it finishes, then either keep or return to step 8.
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>>173635634
Two new cards:

Amulet
All followers that have storm gain rush instead.

Spell
Deal damage to target follower or leader equal to the attack of all officers you control. Reduce the cost of this card for each officer in play. (Starting cost 11 PP)
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>>173630859
Your opinion on people sucking in ranked, the meta, how good/bad a deck is has no value at all until minimum AA1, everything else is meaningless since it's so easy to grind through these ranks even with sub 50% winrate because of streaks giving you bonus points
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>>173636050
>Deal damage to target follower or leader equal to the attack of all officers you control
lel
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>>173636129
>didn't address the latter half of the card
Very convenient.
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>>173635832

Blitz doesn't survive against 2-drops. Jeno does depending on the 3-drop but if it's a 3/2 then forget it. There's also no 2/2 2-drop with rush. It sounds like a retarded design plan to go with, but that's how you know it might happen for real.
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>>173636074
don't act like your opinion on a children's anime card game holds any weight, either
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>>173636221
As if that makes it any better.
Your ideas are completely retarded, end your life.
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>>173636281
Not an argument.
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>>173636269
so if nobodies opinion has any weight, why even discuss the game?
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>>173636050
more face damage is the last thing sword needs. especially with the synergy it has with floral fencer and other banner meme cards.
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>>173636378
because communication is a vital part of civilization
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>>173636269
wait until you get into the rank where people start to go full tryhard and have a modicum of an idea on how to play a cancer deck correctly.

have fun watching them ramp up and jack off with their fuckhueg followers :^)
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>>173636430
That was exactly my intention. Banner fucking sucks, make it relevant by hosing storm and rewarding you for building a board instead of just playing storm followers.
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>>173636269
You're asking why everyone's shit at shit ranks. Most of the questions you will ask about metas will be answered simply by reaching the appropriate rank.
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>>173636506
Playing shadowverse doesn't take that much skill, anon.
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>>173636506
i'm in master buddy
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>>173636590
>building a board
>in removalverse
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>>173636809
just catacomb your officers and commanders bro
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Are you fucking kidding me
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>>173636809
Well then that's your answer. I would probably also give them an effect similar to Liza.
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>>173636901
Are you complaining about getting good quests?
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>>173636901
When are they removing these stupid dailies? Most standard cards have been powercreeped so badly those packs aren't worth it.
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>>173636590
all it does it make it so you play it as a finisher with storm followers or a way to set up lethal with albert.

consider doing tsubaki into arriet and then playing it the same turn. it's an otk and the 11 cost makes it easy to hit with the oathless knights, floral fencers, and other officers you'd be playing anyway.
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>>173637027
>I would rather get 30 gold than a full pack that I can worst case just vial completely

what a moron, unreal
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>Love aggro variants of the 2 crafts I play
>Aggro Shadow is among the best decks once again
Feels good being a lunashitter right now.
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ebin
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>"Let's start with the easiest daily", "Winning 1 game as swordcraft can't be hard, right?"
Wrong. Fuck this game.
It should be "PLAY x games as y". Even Duelyst got that right.
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>>173637173
Must be why Duelyst is so alive right now
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>>173637114
Oh golly gee a Zirnitra instead of a ToG dragon legendary! I'm so glad these dailies give out standard packs :^)
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>>173637173
Happened to me yesterday, sword is hell in this meta.
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>>173637295
kek
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>>173637069
What storm followers? There's only four that are officers, two if you take away centaur vanguard and assassin because they require a commander. Not to mention that it would be expected people are running the anti-storm tech.
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>>173637173
Fucking loser commie. Earn your fucking rupies
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>>173637173
>>173637295

duelyst died because of its retardation with power creep legendary cards

a deck with all legendaries can't lose to a standard beginner deck no matter how bad the former plays
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>>173637295
I blame the shit Tumblr art. That's the reason I quit.

>>173637315
I'm just having a bad day I think. I went on 10 winstreaks with sword in masters before.

Or people use better decks now. Haven't really bothered with keeping up with the meta ever since my PC died 5 days ago.
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>>173637173
that's a pretty diverse ladder
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>>173637295
What happened to that game anyway?
I played it and thought it was kinda cool
Stopped playing it though, because they had a new system and only draw 1 card per round which fucked all of my decks
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>>173637431
Well that's 12 cards in a deck, then Alwida's give the viking which is a storm. That's 15 cards in a deck.
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>>173637643
I suppose you're right. But as I said, my assumption would be that the anti-storm tech was relevant. You can't really have one without the other. Sword is dead without storm, and with lots of removal building a board of cheap followers is dead too.
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>>173637027
>hurr what are new players
>durr what is not having all cards of a set

Uh oh, looks like someone is retarded!
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>>173637769
I joined the conversation late and just saw your post that was counting the amount of storms they had. I agree, Sword relies entirely on Storms and Rushes now.
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>>173637431
a single alwida's with an evolve and that card being used once would be 12 damage from hand. if you had tsubaki on board the turn before it's an otk.

i don't think you'd even play banner in that deck, the card is so strong that there is no need to waste a slot on it.
>>
Why don't they just change all old cards which have the "when this card attacks" effect to the clash mechanic?
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>>173638137
Clash is only for when you attack enemy followers (or get attacked by one).

It's in no way the same as "when this attacks" at all
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>>173638083
> OTK
I guess everything is OTK now.
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>>173638216
20 damage in 1 turn isn't an OTK?

Does that Azazel deck not count as an OTK since you have to play Baph first?
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>>173637810
New players don't want standard cards either.
>Hmmm healing angel or... Grimnir
>Hmmm skeleton knight or... prince catacomb
>Hmmm Fafnir or... Ouroboros
>Hmmm Beastly Vow or... Beastcall Aria
>Hmmm Killer devil or... Veight
And so on and so forth. Whatever cards a new player might want from standard (forest for example) he'd be better off just creating them because in standard you have so much fucking useless filler reducing the chance of getting what you want anyway.
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Get fucked you dragon shits
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>>173638384
OTK = one turn kill

It means being able to kill the enemy in one turn. Any setup done in previous turns that is not direct damage doesn't matter.
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>>173638492
MOOOOM
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>>173638492
That's a big reaper
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Need a concede please!
79102
spam emotes if you need one afterwards as well
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>>173638680
thanks forte-chan
>>
Shadowniggers K I L L Y O U R S E L V E S
Thanks for making the game absolutely unenjoyable you hypocritical pieces of subhuman cunt shit.
I can't believe you absolutely disgraceful shitters defend a deck with zero(0) counterplay and 60% winrate when you spent 3 months moaning and screaming about Albert and Daria like the little autistic entitled cunts you are.
Fucking kill yourselves. Thanks for ruining a great game.
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>>173637027
C3?
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>>173638849
they're still complaining about haven even now
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>>173638849
If it has zero counterplay, how come they don't win all games?
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>>173638849
>players blaming each other for playing overpowered decks instead of blaming the devs for putting them in the game

Keep 'em cucked Cygames!
>>
>>173638849
Still more tolerable than Dshit
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>>173638456

You still need a massive amount of standard cards to build most decks.
>>
chapter 11 in arisa's story is pretty hard man
that fucker cheats, always has the perfect card
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Two games in a row that Merlin doesn't fetch DShift

I'm seriously considering removing Fate's Hand
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>>173638849
But literally every one was complaining about every thing kys faggot
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>>173639231
I can't even get that far, still stuck at chapter fucking 9 with no feasible way of ever even getting close to beating it.
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>>173639281
Consider removing Merlin.
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>>173637314
>hating on FREE vials
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>>173639281
>Playing DShift in AA0
Why would you put yourself through that
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>>173639281
Your list is shit senpai
>commence expermient
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>>173639281
Fate's Hand is too important to lose, cut the experiments for Librarys or just use the Blade Mage + Sword version.
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>>173639154
Not really. And whatever standard cards you still need at this point you'd be better off just crafting them anyway since most of standard has been powercreeped and most likely will never be used again.
Be honest with me, would you recommend to a friend buying standard packs over RoB/ToG packs?
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>>173639437
Just stop posting, jesus christ. You know absolutely nothing.
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>>173638849
>entitled dragonfag tears
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just deleted all my decks since tog made them all unplayable, anyone have a decklist that actually wins them games?

pic related is my lego's, as you can see i have fuckall from the current expansion
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>>173639602
>would you recommend to a friend buying standard packs over RoB/ToG packs?
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>>173628891
Im actually Missing alot of cards for this deck, Mainly Breath of the saamander and some others, can you possibly give me the deck code for this??
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>>173639662
Try shadow
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>>173639669
In terms of usefulness of the card pool

totg >>>>>> standard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de
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>>173639662
You're a whiny bitch with a huge collection.
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>>173632875
I really have literally NOTHING for dragoncraft lIke..for real I Have next to no dragoncraft cards other then the main deck, So yup Buying dragoncraft deck once I get money
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>>173639662
Midrange sword.
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>>173639743
already have, bunga doesn't work in this meta
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>>173637628
>>173637519
Duelyst died because the devs were retarded and wouldn't stop fucking with shit. Also they HATED Vetruvian.
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>>173638998
in all honesty, this

doesn't help that most players are dumbfucks, just go on their official forums and you'll see most bitching is about HAVEN of all classes
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Anyone have super defensive list of dragon to beat shadow?
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>>173639147
t. hag player
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>>173640206
tfw vetruvian was the most fun
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>>173639875
if you're talking about the prebuilt deck it's awful value the only useful cards in it are forte and genesis which are some of the least important cards currently
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>>173640091
auto loses to ramp and mid shadow which is 90% of the ladder
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>>173640292
>doesn't help that most players are dumbfucks, just go on their official forums and you'll see most bitching is about HAVEN of all classes
Not very different from this general then.
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>>173640292
That's because they're playing a fair deck like Shadow and that damn cheating hag keeps banishing all their followers and clearing their board.
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>>173640419
Let me guess, you still run Lucifer.
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>>173640193
The two decks in ToG are Dragon and Shadow. Dragon beats everything except Shadow and Shadow just beats everything. If you can't build a shadow deck on your own just copy one from gameai.
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>>173639362
How is Lou better than Merlin?
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>>173639682
4epw
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>>173640446
this is untrue, going first vs shadow is very good and dragon needs to nut pretty hard for the mu to be unwinnable
>>173640597
the point is cards like sibyl, bahamut, grimnir, ouro, and breath are more important
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>>173640292

More than one thing can be a problem at the same time.

Dragon's now got too much ramp, too much healing, too much board clear. It shouldn't even have any healing, healing is Haven's schtick.

Shadow's got too much token generation. Better than Sword, which is fucked up since token generation should definitely be a Sword thing primarily.

Haven has even more board clear, non-targeted removal effects, than ever and now gets a creature that outright ignores everything and cannot be answered, and even have a new amulet to make you lose because for whatever absolutely retarded reason, the amulet doesn't effect this new creature.

Etc.

All of this shit is a problem.
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>>173640659
Cheaper, which also matters because it can be used more easily to get the kill with enchanted sword
Draws the card earlier, meaning more incidental spellboosts
Draws only spellboost cards, which in this variant that requires more of them to win, boosts consistency
Doesn't require an evolve to get full value, and gets full stats on evolve
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im so glad i quit this shitty game
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>>173640613

Shadow gets shit on heavily by Haven. We've got a Rock, Paper, Scissors meta right now.

Shadow>Dragon>Haven>Shadow etc
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>>173640959
Yeah, it already had enough shitty players.
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>sword is ded

ay lmao you keks don't even know
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>>173640889
Abloobloobloo muh aegis, muh control class having good removal
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>>173640446
>mid sword auto loses to ramp
Only if you got a shit list that isn't running x3 baka and a arriet.
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>>173640959
t. kikestonecuck
don't you have to buy your daily pack bundle for 200 dollars?
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does anyone have the JO dragon rowen picture with the wizard hat?
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need concede
32087
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>>173641020
Haven is actually a good matchup for Shadow.
They can't keep up with all the boardflood you have.
Aegis comes down too late as well.
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>>173641140

>61%

Even Daria is not this stupid. They need to nerf shadow asap.
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>>173640959
Sup /hsg/.
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>>173641020
>Shadow gets shit on heavily by Haven.
No.
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Take 2 is the worst for fairies, Fuck man I Hate these dailies, Literal Have to use decks I have nothing in.

And then just constantly losing because of it
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>>173641241
thanks!
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>>173641140
>rune 41%
Wew
That anon that said "lmao these tog cards are garbage enjoy another 3 months of daria" must feel pretty stupid now
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>>173641165
>This arriet meme again
Next you are going to tell me pepe sword is good.
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>>173641423
Just spearcraft bro
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>>173640959
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>>173641140
>the top deck in the game by far actually has a sub-50 winrate when going second
How did cygames fuck up this bad?
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>>173640736
I need 11940 vials to even get these cards..fuck Man I rerolled already And Did so much now I might have to do it again because the games being an asshole to me
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Do I liquefy my neps and more garbage I never use for 3 Eachtars?
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>>173641693
More like
Aggro likes going first to get an etra hit in
Dragon likes going first because it doesn't do anything the first few turns
Whoever goes first has a big advantage

Evo points and card advantage are irrelevant
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>>173641140
>rune same winrate regardless of going first or second

Cygames finally fixed the imbalance
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>>173641714
God fuck this game Seriously I dont want ot have to reroll get good shit and then play ranked and win a few games, Only to fucking restart all over again all the damn time Just because I didnt get the cards I Need for a good deck, christ
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>>173641140
>Only Forest (barely) has over 50% winrate going second
"WE WANT TO SLOW THE GAME DOWN" - Kikegames
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>>173641881
What can be done to balance going first vs going second?
Second already has more evos, first evo, and more cards but that doesn't seem to be enough.
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>Journey to Ungoro ended up being better than Tempest of the Gods
what the fuck happened bros?
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>having Orthrus as your only possible turn 4 play, when neither you nor your opponent have anything board
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>>173641636
I Needed to win some games with forestcraft for dailies, Just forestcraft
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>>173641952
Just roll with it. For example, I haven't crafted a single card. Last expansion I got 3 Darias just from opening packs. This expansion, because Lou and enchanted sword came out, I could start playing Dshift even though I had zero Merlins. I don't care that I lost one deck because I gained another.
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>>173641693
daria had sub 50% winrate going first
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>>173642005
Game got too fast
Make it so players can evolve 1 turn earlier and going second will dominate again
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>>173642012
Good thing that most people will only experience the fun of that expansion through youtube and twitch because of how fucking jewish Blizzard is
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>>173642119
I would love to just roll with it but my autism is literally Holding me back from enjoying it and I fucking hate it

I love this game Its fun as fuck, But with bullshit when you cant even build a coherent deck because you dont have the essential cards for it just pisses me off
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>>173642012
Dear lord no
Shit like quest rogue and pirate warrior are a bigger plague than any of this shit
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>>173641257
>can't keep up
>literally can banish everything you have outside of 3 or 4 cards with 1 card
>plays nothing but wards every turn they're not banishing everything
>healing
>stalling until Aegis, which they always, ALWAYS have
>ToS the next turn, which they always have
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>>173642217
Meanwhile everyone can afford that sweet dragon deck and suicide blood deck that are so much fun to play right now in SV
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>>173642247
>pirate warrior still
so nothing actually changed with the expansion?
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>>173642247
quest rogue is turning out to be much more shit than people believed it to be and it sure as shit doesn't have a >55% WR across the board
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>>173641693
Both of the top classes can deal with evolved followers without an evo point so that extra evo point becomes irrelevant unless you did not draw your answers.
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>>173642348
Turns out a mechanic that's exactly like discover but only gives you shitty effects isn't very impactful
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>>173642338
Gee. I wonder who could be behind this post.
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>>173642304
>Use evos to get followers out of ritual/cudgel range
>They run 6 boardclears
>You run 12+ board floods
>By the time they drop Aegis they're already in burn range
>If they don't have ToS up before Aegis they die to Hector
Only aggro loses to haven
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>>173641496
>he doesn't like 12 face damage on t7
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>>173642247
>pirate warrior
>a bigger plague than a quarter of the playerbase playing shadow
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>>173642012
Already trying to rationalize those overpriced packs, blizzcuck?
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Say bye bye to your life!
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>>173642304
Haven only has single-target banish.
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I really that shadow and dragon board clear should be nerfed.

but how? catacomb don't give skeleton to itself?
orthus don't deal 2 damage?

>dragon
if we nerf zell the board clear still.
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How do you guys untilt?

Been on a bender of a losing streak since my free-to-play ass can't keep up with the latest decklists
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>>173642916
1200 points to 2600.

with dragon geee...
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>>173642865
Go ahead and tell me how this card doesn't count.
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>>173642865
But they don't
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>>173642916
I ERP or imagine angry sex with one of the SV characters while I masturbate.
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>>173642865
forbidden ritual but it doesn't do shit against dragons, you know the other half of ladder
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>>173642916
i hate fap to whichever leader is bullying me the most
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>>173643007
>>173643010
I haven't actually seen that card played outside of meme candelabra decks.
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>>173642612

Notice how every expansion the "good" class suddenly has a huge influx?

People play whatever is best. And only whats best. It's only new players or retards who refuse to bandwagon that don't. The first can't be helped because Cygames isn't gonna give every starter the resources of people playing for 8+ months, and the other deserves their fate for refusing to swap to the new meta.

This is how every CCG works. You can't avoid it, you either go with the flow, or you eat shit.
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>>173643196
it's tech against shadow, not much they can do about it on turn 3
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>>173643152
Who's your latest target?
Eris?
...Luna...?
Rowen?
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>>173643152
>fapping to Rowen
Gay.
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>>173642558
>what is Forbidden Ritual

It's like you fags don't even know what Haven does anymore. Every Haven deck is running at least 2 if they're smart, given the Shadow influx, and Haven already loses to Dragon anyway, so them being weaker VS 1 matchup doesn't lose them shit when it lets them basically autowin the OTHER most common matchup.

Again, we're in a rock paper scissors meta. You are good against 1 class, 50/50 another, and basically autolose a 3rd.
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>>173643381
What about Urias
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>>173643570
Who?
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>>173642916
Play Arena instead of this retarded ladder and improve as a player instead of just removing the quality of my deck.

Then blame the stupid OP draft the others have when I lose.
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>>173643381
>not fapping to Rowen to guarantee a 100% winrate with JO
F0?
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>>173643529
Were you listening? I said that ritual isn't enough.
By the time you drop a 2nd ritual they can play around it.
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>>173643570
He only has eyes for Balthazar
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>>173643381
>rowen
>her
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>Banish 3 Mordecais
>Heavenly Aegis with 3 Bahamuts right behind it

God I'm glad I quit Priest for this. Haven has always been my favorite and I played it through all the bullshit metas beforehand. This shit is hilarious tho. Heavenly Aegis is probably one of my favorite cards ever in a card game.
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So dragon was the Yurius of this expansion and Shadow is Daria?
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>>173643753
Did you just assume my pronoun?
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>>173643529
>Every Haven deck is running at least 2
>it lets them basically autowin the OTHER most common matchup
hahahaha
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>>173643685

Play around it how, you retard? Midshadow doesn't have enough high toughness anything's to get around it, and once you're in the 6+PP stage, you're going to get shit on by Themis'. From there it's just a short ride until Aegis is pushing your shit in.
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>>173643871
>>173643871
>>173643871
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>>173643152
>fapping to Rowen bullying Erika, Eris, Arisa, Isabelle and Vania with his dick
>while Luna sits in the corner
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>>173637315
>>173638083
>>173638384
>>173638975
your left the hyperlink of an image you replied to in your name field
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>>173643862
>70% win against Elf
How did Forest maintain a positive win rate for so long when it got shit on by the best deck?
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>>173643872
>Evo anything
>Whelp guess ritual won't hit it

>Themis
You only have 3 of them

>Aegis
If you're Themising on turns 6-8 and drop Aegis on 9 you take a minimum of 12 burst from Eachtar
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