/lisg/ - Life is Strange General #488

Why do people argue about Max's sexuality? The script makes it quite clear that she's a flaming Chloesexual.

>>173537805
Kate is too good for this cruel world. It actually starts to get comedic at times how innocent and pure she is. But I can't be mad at this game for its hammy script. It's part of the charm.

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Max is #1

>>173539927
Yes she is.

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>>173537762
Before Episode 5's release:
>Lol Mari's theories're shitty.It's way more than shitty to become true
>Chloe has to die thing doesn't make sense.Don't worry they will come with unpredictable story
>We're gonna learn everything about Max's powers,Rachel and Prescotts even Nathan,spirit animals..
>Jefferson knows about Max's powers
>Nathan,Frank,David or Samuel's gonna save us
>Victoria's with Max,she'll save her
>(After seeing Cemetery scene from leaks) I'm sure it'll be Williams,Rachel's or Kate's grave.
>Rachel's the doe and Butterfly and probably we'll see her in Max's dream
>Blue Jay's Chloe

After Episode 5's release:
>Mari's shitty cliche theory became right
>We visited the SF art gallery for 3 seconds. FOR 3 DAMN SECONDS
>Jefferson became a silly bad guy from Disney
>David came to save us.He's a former-soldier but he can't even fight,just listens teenager's orders. Even he doesn't know she has some time travel powers.
>Victoria's with us in the dark room.Laying there and we can talk her or not.Just it.
>Nathan get killed,Victoria too
>Nathan knew something about the storm but they cut it.
>Warren explained Max's powers(!)(thanks warryn) We found out her power causes/related with Chaos Theory and storm.It's not like we didn't know or something.
>Storm is only coming for Bay because Chloe lives in there but Max's the one who keep changes the time
>Prescotts story erased.Nobody even mention their name.
>Rachel's story fucked too.She isn't or butterfly,bluejay just spiritualdoe
>Spirit animals thing died.Blue Butterfly's storm summoner just it.
>Chloe dies again in one of endings (unpredictable) It gives you a lesson: You shouldn't have used your power.And you shouldn't play this game.Now erase your choices and cry like a bitch.
>Chloe has to die thing comes true, Cemetery scene explained with that.
>The other ending's short but it's less cliché than other.We saved Chloe,storm's hit the town and gone.That's it
>Epilogue: Use ur imaginations:)muh budget

>>173539927
I actually really like Max, especially on the terms of a protagonist. She's your typical "cool loser" archetype, but fleshed enough to be interesting.

Kind and noble, but also a little bitchy. Always trying to help, but has her moments of selfishness. She's also pretty hilarious whenever the shy nerd tries to be cool or intimidating.

But every bit as important as being flawed yet likeable, she is a protagonist who has agency. Her actions drive the story, her desires create conflict, her character is the axis around which the plot turns. An all too oft failing of storytelling is that the protagonist serves as a tragically bland stand in to resolve the conflict that could be swapped out with anyone. This is not the case here. Life is Strange simply cannot happen without Maxine Caufield. Seriously, try to think about it for a second. Try imagining if like, Kate got time powers instead. It becomes a completely different story.

And that's what I love about Max, that this is her story and no one else's. That's the mark of a strong protagonist.

>>173541254
Fuck off Michel

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>>173538498
>The script makes it quite clear that she's a flaming Chloesexual.
/lisg/'s coined that term, so don't you worry!

>>173539927
>>173541279
The writing that's there feels like they were trying to emulate Twin Peaks or even something like Silent Hill a little, a character that's normal but seems "off" or strange in some of their mannerisms, but rather than unsettling or horror effect it was used more for comedic and "cheesy" effect. Not executed perfectly, but done well enough that Max is at least relatively endearing and cute through her writing.

>if only they didn't rush the last episode

>>173538498
Technically, you can romance Warren as well, and dialogue does change to reflect that.

Still, I think the Chloesexual way is the better way, but either way you've got two people dorky in their own ways that both have dialogue expressing how head-over-heels they are for Max depending on who you choose to romance.

Max can choose, but EVERYONE is Maxsexual.

>>173543340
Wrong.

>>173542927
Seriously though, some of Max's dialogue pertaining to Chloe is a little... possessive? She even calls her "my Chloe" at one point. It's not so bad though since Chloe is clearly a little thirsty as well.

Oh, I laughed hard at the "I dare you to kiss me." bit. First for how Chloe actually fucking said that, and then for how Max leaped at her when she did so. Like, she just jumped at the chance. Oh Maxine, you got it so bad.

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As Max and Chloe are leaving the ruins of Arcadia Bay behind, there's one more tragic story unfolding
>Alice and Lisa stuck in Max's room, Alice hasn't eaten anything in days, the dorms are destroyed and no one comes looking for them
>"No one's gonna come save us, this is the end, we'll starve to death..."
>Alice...you can survive this and go back to your owner. All you have to do is... all you have to do is eat me."
>"What? No, fuck that. Lisa, you're my number one priority, I'm not eating you!"
>"Alice, think about it... how many times this week did you try to nibble my leafs? I'm a plant, Alice, you're a bunny, maybe it's time I accept my destiny... OUR destiny."
>"Lisa, I can't make this choice!"
>"No Alice, you're the only one who can"

>eat Lisa
https://instaud.io/kVV

>eat your own foot
https://instaud.io/kWb

>>173544434
>max mentions chloe kissing her again
>chloe literally gets sidetracked right after and says she was "just daydreaming" in an embarrassed way

If Max and Chloe were any more thirsty for each other they'd fucking die from dehydration.

>>173541279
If only there were more Maxs in the world

>>173543340
>technically, you can romance Warren as well

No, you can't.

>>173546237
You can agree to go to the movies, not kiss Chloe, kiss Warren, and there you go.

>>173545315
Be the change you want to see in the world!

Get a sex change today!

>>173545265
>the entirety of the pool scene
>Chloe trying not to check her out
>splashing
>all that complimentary "I need you." dialogue
>Max's longing stare
>every single player saying "Just kiss already!"
That was so gay it was making Top Gun look hetero. What's the lesbian equivalent of 'Playing with the Boys'?

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>>173543340
>Technically, you can romance Warren as well, and dialogue does change to reflect that.
Aw shit, what are you doing anon.

>>173541254
wow is this text new? never seen it before

>>173546354

The homoerotic scenes in Top Gun could escalate to full dude-dude penetration and it still wouldn't be as hella gay as Max and Chloe's pool scene.

>>173546303
If you read Max's diary after you accept his movie offer, she says she hopes warren doesn't make a move on her and that she sees him as a younger brother.

If you choose to kiss him, she only kisses him for "good luck" since he's (maybe) about to die in a tornado and getting in on Max was the only thing he ever wanted during the game.

>>173546913

So Max is pretty much fully Chloesexual?

Good.

>>173546329
How did you know I was male?

But if I could painlessly change into a Max with no effect on my (admittedly limited) relationships, I think I'd take it.

>>173547052
Well yeah. There's really no denying that, since the entire plot revolves around Max fighting against the poorly defined forces of destiny in order to save her waifu. She broke time for her!
Would your significant other bend the space-time continuum over a barrel and make it squeal like a pig for your sake?

>>173546778
Here's the big question though:

Who's gayer? Max or Chloe? Which one them is the bigger homo?

>>173522669
There's no context. It's a weird image. I was disturbed by it.

>>173524671
>>173525001
Chaos theory is all he knows.

>>173548753
Chloe is more openly gay for Max through her actions and dialogue.

Max is more privately gay for Chloe in her diary and monologues.

Is the closet lesbian a bigger lesbian than the open lesbian?

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Hey /lisg/,

My name is Nathan, and I hate every single one of you because I suffer from severe mental illness. All of you are well adjusted, intelligent, internet users who spend every second of their day discussing the social, narrative and moral issues presented in an award winning video game. You are everything good in the world and seeing your success reminds me of my personal failings thereby sending me into a blind rage.

Honestly, have any of you ever gotten an idea of why I call Warren a pussy?

I mean, it’s fun making fun of people because of my own insecurities, but assaulting Graham in a parking lot, let alone threatening a young woman with a gun when she's blackmailing me after I dosed her with date rape drugs, is taking it to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to Kate's video on Facebook.

Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot behind my back. I’m pretty much a total violent nutcase so don't do it to my face. I was emotionally abused by my father and discharged from care by a first rate therapist. What do you suffer from, other than feels after playing an emotionally impactful video game? I also get straight A’s because my father donates large sums to the school, and have been friendzoned by a hot mean girl (She never blew me; Shit would've been SO cash).

You are going to be called faggots and told to kill yourselves by assholes like me for most of your life. Thanks for listening.

Pic Related: It’s me. I'm her bitch.

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Scottfield would be perfect.

>Max's caring nature and Nathan's belligerent demeanor
>Whenever Nathan is angry Max calms him down
>He protects the delicate, fragile Max who will never leave him
>Eventually they have three beautiful children together, occasionally taking them to Two Whales for lunch

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>She smiles for a moment at the funeral because she's sleep deprived and traumatized
>Max falls to the ground weeping soon after
>The Prescotts hire a world class legal team to defend Jefferson and Nathan
>Jefferson gets off on a technicality and continues teaching at Blackwell because of Sean's influence
>Having determined his behavior is too extreme and will "dishonor the family", Nathan is sent to a mental institution
>His pretty boy looks and spastic behavior draw the attraction of pedophiles, rapists and the criminally insane, not to mention sadistic orderlies
>Max fails out of Blackwell and is killed when a tornado hits her cab to the small regional airport on her way home
>The waterspout destroys waterfront property and most major homes, making space for an expanded Pan Estates
>The diner can't afford to rebuild. Joyce loses her job.
>David lost his position at Blackwell when his loyalties where questioned following Chloe's murder
>He commits suicide shortly after discovering Joyce hung herself after losing Chloe
>Sean Prescott knocks over Chloe's tombstone and builds a statue of himself in its place
>Max wakes up in bed being spooned by Chloe
>Max: Wowsers. What a horrible dream.
>Chloe: What's wrong, Max?
>Max: I had a nightmare that I let you die.
>Chloe: Again?
>She holds her tighter
>Chloe: I'm sorry, honey.
>Max: I'm glad I kept you alive and personally curb stomped each and every resident of Arcadia Bay, including your family and my friends at Blackwell, until their brains were splattered on the sidewalk.
Chloe: I'm glad you did that too.

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Series when.

>In Caulfield's dorm room, Kate Marsh watched as her friend hung out with Chloe on her birthday. Marsh had shared a beer with Chloe, well, Chloe had drunk most of it, but she'd had a few sips too! She wasn't lame!
>As their friends began to leave--including a scruffy older fellow with tattoos on his neck, the ever kindly Warren and others--Kate knew it was time for her short walk back to her dorm room.
>While smoothing her skirt, she reflected upon the evening and thought about how strange it was that Chloe slept over in Max's dorm so often.
>"That's not so weird. They have slumber parties. Maybe I'll invite them to come to my room!" she thought, giddy at the idea of the three of them watching movies and eating ice cream all night.
>She also thought about all the time Chloe and Max spent together. Aside from getting tea, whenever she spotted Max on campus she was walking or sitting with Chloe. Sometimes she spotted them in town, during hikes or at the beach. Max often rested her head on Chloe's lap while reading a book or playing with her cell phone, sending the much hated emojis.
>"Come to think of it, Chloe has been dropping off Max for our tea dates or arriving at the end to pick her up..." Kate shook her head. "I'm being silly. They didn't see each other for five years. They're making up for lost time."
>Then she thought about their habit of holding hands, leaning their heads on each others shoulders and wrapping their arms around each other as they walked.

>"That's not quite so strange," she thought. "I hold hands with...myself." She often clasped her hands together over her lap.
>Their hands made it onto each others laps quite a bit, often when they didn't think anyone was looking. Sometimes they gave a little squeeze, or a rub or a...
>Kate bit her lip for a second when she heard Chloe say something to Max.
>"So Max, how bout we take this party back to my place?"
>Max blushed and nodded. "If the birthday girl insists..." She looked up at her with desire gleaming in her eyes.
>Kate turned to them. "That sounds fun. Can I bring Alice? She'd love to meet your new dog."
>Chloe and Max turned to Kate. The few remaining partygoers, including the now less abrasive Victoria Chase, raised their eyebrows or squinted at her in confusion.
>Max had trouble looking Kate in the eye as she spoke to her.
>“Um, sorry Kate,” she stuttered as she looked from her chaste friend's face to her own shoes. “B-but I don't think that's a good idea. Alice is a rabbit a-and--”
>Chloe smirked and stepped toward them.
>“Between Max and I, we've already got enough animals in my house. Besides, we planned on heading to my bedroom and--”
>Max's eye doubled in size before she smacked Chloe on the shoulder to interrupt her.
>Kate smiled good naturedly. “hopping on the bed like rabbits. You are such party animals, right?”
>Kate laughed. Max's penchant for puns had rubbed off on Chloe since they'd been spending so much time together.
>Chloe smirked. Some of the other partiers giggled. Victoria rolled her eyes.
>“What is she fucking blind?” Chase muttered.
>Kate smiled, not detecting the eyes on her.
>“That's alright. It's getting late. I have Church tomorrow.”
>Victoria rolled her eyes again. “Wouldn't want to miss that...”
>“...And I don't want to nod off and miss the good parts.”
>Chloe turned away and chuckled.
>They said their good byes and parted ways.

>>173549753
>Max: I'm glad I kept you alive and personally curb stomped each and every resident of Arcadia Bay, including your family and my friends at Blackwell, until their brains were splattered on the sidewalk.
Honestly I'm okay with this. Personally I didn't really care about anyone else besides Max and Chloe. Whether they survived or not isn't important.

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>>173546303
>You can agree to go to the movies
Doesn't count as a ''''''''romance''''''''' option. See pic.
Besides they never went there even if you accept his invite or not.

>not kiss Chloe
If you didn't kiss Chloe, Max will write in her diary later saying that she regret not kissing her.
While the most she says about Warren is: ''I hope he doesn't get the wrong idea''

>kiss Warren
You mean the OPTIONAL kiss that technically never happened because it was erased from all the timelines no matter which ending you picked?

The kiss was misplaced and sudden, inconsistent fanservice BS. At most justifiable as a ''world is ending, might as well see how this feels'' move to portray Max's emboldened attitude.

>>173549679
>shipping Max with the guy who tried to kill her best friend

please be bait

>"That's not quite so strange," she thought. "I hold hands with...myself." She often clasped her hands together over her lap.
>Their hands made it onto each others laps quite a bit, often when they didn't think anyone was looking. Sometimes they gave a little squeeze, or a rub or a...
>Kate bit her lip for a second when she heard Chloe say something to Max.
>"So Max, how bout we take this party back to my place?"
>Max blushed and nodded. "If the birthday girl insists..." She looked up at her with desire gleaming in her eyes.
>Kate turned to them. "That sounds fun. Can I bring Alice? She'd love to meet your new dog."
>Chloe and Max turned to Kate. The few remaining partygoers, including the now less abrasive Victoria Chase, raised their eyebrows or squinted at her in confusion.
>Max had trouble looking Kate in the eye as she spoke to her.
>“Um, sorry Kate,” she stuttered as she looked from her chaste friend's face to her own shoes. “B-but I don't think that's a good idea. Alice is a rabbit a-and--”
>Chloe smirked and stepped toward them.
>“Between Max and I, we've already got enough animals in my house. Besides, we planned on heading to my bedroom and--”
>Max's eye doubled in size before she smacked Chloe on the shoulder to interrupt her.
>Kate smiled good naturedly. “hopping on the bed like rabbits. You are such party animals, right?”
>Kate laughed. Max's penchant for puns had rubbed off on Chloe since they'd been spending so much time together.
>Chloe smirked. Some of the other partiers giggled. Victoria rolled her eyes.
>“What is she fucking blind?” Chase muttered.
>Kate smiled, not detecting the eyes on her.
>“That's alright. It's getting late. I have Church tomorrow.”
>Victoria rolled her eyes again. “Wouldn't want to miss that...”
>“...And I don't want to nod off and miss the good parts.”
>Chloe turned away and chuckled.
>They said their good byes and parted ways.
>Kate went back to her dorm room.

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>>173550612
>“My. Max and Chloe are lucky to have each other. They're such good gal pals.”
>gal pals
>CHOO CHOO!

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>>173550587
To be fair Chloe was the instigator and also a blackmailer.

Thinking she held all the cards and ignoring Nathan's (obvious) mental issues she cornered him the the bathroom and got shot, which also was her fault for trying to push him away.

Nathan's instant regret is clear in the bay ending.

Also if Max had been his trusted wife to be nothing of the above would have happened.

>>173550013
>>173550170
>>173550612
>>173550767
Kate rationalizes away her gay panic then goes back to her bedroom and holds hands with herself until she wears herself out and falls asleep.

>>173550959
>To be fair Chloe was the instigator and also a blackmailer.
>To be fair Nathan is a violent classicist douche that drugged and photographed women

To be fair, you are trolling.

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Reminder that it's okay to cry, guys.

>>173550959
To be fair you're a nigger

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>>173550434
Max looked like she was kissing her cousin when she smooched Warren. It was uncomfortable to watch. Never let it happen in my play-throughs.

>>173551225
It's easy to cry when you have Max to cuddle and give you smooches.

The first rays of sunshine raise you from your sleep, as your other senses are assailed by unfamiliar sounds and smells. You start to move to examine your surroundings before you remember you're not in Arcadia Bay anymore. Tree lines to skylines, sea salt to smog. "Welcome to the new normal, Max", you think to yourself, as you try to sit up only to find that you're restrained. Oh, right. Seattle smog, road noise, and your girlfriend sleeping softly on your chest. Everything's in check. It'll still take some getting used to, not having the quiet mornings in Arcadia Bay tinged with crashing waves and bird songs. But, all things considered, you're not doing too bad for yourself at the moment. The memories of the past two weeks come flooding back in a blur, like they always seem to do when you find yourself alone with your thoughts. You idly play with a lock of Chloe's hair as you think about what to do with your life now you've moved back in. Yesterday was entirely focused on moving your stuff in and surviving the opening salvo of questions from your parents. The expected teary greetings over with, you retold the events of the past week as well as you could. Leaving out the criminal activity, attempted murder, supernatural events, and the fact you nearly died, of course. The deluge only stopped when you politely yet firmly excused yourself to go to bed. It'd been a very long drive from Arcadia to Seattle, and neither you nor Chloe were very alert when you finally got to your parent's place. Which leads you to now, trying to figure out where to go from here. You'll have to find a way to finish school, and you want to try to get Chloe to go back too. She'll probably try to resist, but you know with some persuasion and liberal use of "The Doe Eyes" you can bend her to your will. And falling that, some..."incentives" come to mind as well. You file that mental note away for later. Chloe's a big softie, at least for you, and you fully intend to keep taking advantage of it.

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>>173551117
>>173551258

Chloe also brought the entire thing on herself trying to steal from Nathan, screwed up and after her miraculous escape tries to blackmail him which kills her.

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>>173550959

>>173549753
FYI, this isn't the Bae "epilogue". I'm considering retiring that bait.

So, /lisg/, how long did it take before the cringey as fuck "kids these days" teenspeak started growing on you and became oddly charming?

Furthermore, when did it hit you that you were somehow invested in this utterly ridiculous story and were desperate to see the two leads get married and live happily ever after?

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Time for some bait Chloe might actually like taking.

>>173552415
It was never cringy. I grew up with hella via Cartman in South Park. At the end of the first episode, I said fuck my budget and bought the entire season.

>>173552426
Her face looks more like Joyce's in that sketch...as does Max.

Also, how does she apply nail polish underwater?

>penultimate mermaid tomboy

>>173551293
>Max looked like she was kissing her cousin when she smooched Warren. It was uncomfortable to watch. Never let it happen in my play-throughs.

Same, the hug felt a lot more apropriate.
Max only considered kissing Warren because she knows that he has a big crush on her and because she's a good person, the kind of one who doesn't want to hurt other people's feelings and also she was going to jump into another timeline to save Chloe, completely erasing the previous one in the process.

The moment Max saw Chloe's face she totally forgot about Warren's existence, which was kinda funny.

Were Max and Warren friends in the alternate timeline?
You know, the one where she was a lot more confident and outgoing.

>>173553563
Hell no.
She probably didn't even know he existed, Warren only goes after ''easy'' targets.

>>173551620
Do you think Victoria or Kate farts in their sleep?

>>173550959
>>173551832
>>173549679
You're worse than Warren/Max shippers.

>>173552659
Nah, it was pretty cringey at first. Then it became a sort of "Really? You're really doing this?" funny. Then it became a stupid kind of charming.

I fucking lost it at a few points, like Max expressing love for Spirits Within(though I already knew about that), or at the party where Hayden explains he had just "vaped some dank OG bud". I can't hate this game, even when I probably should.

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>>173554047
>>173553563
Victoria sent him packing. She doesn't take kindly rivals.

>>173555304
>Nah, it was pretty cringey at first.
Your opinion.

>Max expressing love for Spirits Within
Never found that.

>the party where Hayden explains he had just "vaped some dank OG bud".
I know plenty of middle class/upper middle class douche's that talk like that. It's not a French meme.

>I can't hate this game, even when I probably should.

Please find me five bottles.

>>173553437
>Same, the hug felt a lot more apropriate.
For certain.

>because she's a good person
Leading him on would be the opposite of a good person.

>The moment Max saw Chloe's face she totally forgot about Warren's existence, which was kinda funny.
Haha. I never thought about it outside of the narrative context, but it was definitely amusing.

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BFFs, Pirates, Wonder Twins, Partners in Time & Crime & Love, Fellow Dorks, GFs, Wives.
OTP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhvZxmgLfNA

>>173555304
The one line that made me start laughing was Zach's text.
>I'm sitting here with nothing on but my jersey and my football
Made it sound like he shoved the football up his ass and sent Vic a pic

>>173534302
Just saw this. Nice, always enjoy seeing these two.
I want them to make more cute and dorks videos.

>>173559704
cute and dorky*

>>173558659
>Partners in Time & Crime & Love
Oh shit, I forgot about that. At the train tracks, right? I swear, every one of their romantic bonding scenes is punctuated by "Oh for fucks sake, JUST KISS ALREADY!".

>>173559129
Apparently he thought that would be enticing. Zach is not very bright.

Max and Chloe have a lesbian magic baby.

What's its first word, hella or wowser?

>>173560915
"Hellowser!"

>>173560159
Yeah. The romantic tension was pretty damn high. Especially at the pool and the morning in Chloe's bedroom. Too bad there was no proper kiss in the game but there's decades of time for them to do that after :3

>>173561059
I like it!

>>173560915
>>173561059
What will Kate and Victoria's lesbian magic baby say?

>>173561403
Kate isn't lesbian, nor is Victoria.

Hey, /lisg/! You still hate pairings that aren't Pricefield?!

>>173559129
>Made it sound like he shoved the football up his ass and sent Vic a pic

Where else was he supposed to put it? He jersey didn't have pockets.

>>173561184
>morning in Chloe's bedroom
>"I dare you to kiss me."
>Kiss Chloe
>Max hurriedly leaps forward and plants one on her without hesitation
I think Pearl just lost the title for Thirstiest Motherfucker Ever.

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>>173550959

>>173561403
Cashmere? Or something.

>>173562329
Jefferson being a retarded artsy serial killer cliche was dumb as hell, but it was worth it for that line alone.

Oh Max, honey, you're not intimidating. You're pretty scary when you're on the warpath for your waifu, but never when you actively try to be a badass.

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>>173562038
Even if Max doesn't kiss her, she writes she didn't because she didn't want the kiss (her first) to be on a dare.
Then you see how cautious Chloe is with Max, trying to hide her flirting and advances as jokes/innocent questions.

Those two are hopelessly in love before they even full realize and try to hard to hide it until they know it will be reciprocated. You see as the game progresses how they grow to accept it more.

>>173563062
I also love how they're both good and bad influences on each other. Chloe encourages Max to be more outgoing an confident, but also brings out her hidden dangerous side. Max encourages Chloe to be less of a criminal, but at the same time she becomes more aggressive and reckless with her around. Add to that their mutual possessiveness, and you've got a nice complex emotional core for the story.

Honestly, I think Max and Chloe's relationship is the best part of the game. No hyperbole. Their love story was, for me, the most consistently, unironically entertaining thing throughout. And hell, you can tell that's where the most effort went to writing wise, and what they were banking on to keep players invested. And it worked. For better or worse, it worked.

>>173561403
I'm in a nightmare and I can't wake up.

>>173564180
I accidentally aborted the post at first due to a finicky keyboard. HAHA.

>>173564027
I agree entirely. Their friendship felt genuine and watching it become a loving as well was extremely satisfying. They bring the best out in each other and can balance out the worst. When Max is unsure of herself, Chloe encourages her - and when Chloe is reckless, Max pulls her back a little bit (Unless Max is being threatened and Chloe is on "attack" mode). Their relationship was so well written/shown that numerous people have created numerous similar ideas for what they do after the game, you know them enough to continue their story, or your version of it.

Their relationship is the heart of the game and for many the most memorable and liked aspect. Some, including many here, liking it enough to decide long before Episode 5 that they were going to save Chloe over the town if it came to that kind of choice.

>>173561493
I don't think hate is the appropriate word but /lisg/ have always been biased towards Pricefield since the beginning.

>>173564346
Exactly. And this is why the ending is so hated, by me at least. Dontmind, you made something precious, a GOOD romance. That is such a rare thing, nevermind the genders and orientations, good romances just do not happen often, and yet here's one.

So you put all this effort into making this sweet, believable love story, get us invested... and then that tornado comes. Way to piss away a beautiful thing, guys.

If you really wanted to have a tragic ending, and break your playerbase's hearts by having them choose to break up this beloved power couple, you really needed to come up with a better reason than fate being a petulant child.

>>173564923
Few people hated other pairings.
The only times people got hostile was when shitposters posted Grahamfield or disgusting stuff that defied the logic of the game. Or when they said stupid things like "MY Max loves ___", usually while insulting Chloe.
The game is heavily Pricefield so most people here stuck to that and liked things the characters wanted. If Max clearly wants Chloe then why defy her?

>>173565371
The whole idea that it's Chloe's fate to die makes no sense in itself. Max saves other people and nothing else tries to kill them.
There is no reasonable explanation to link Max's power, or Chloe's survival to the storm. I know it's what the story suggests but it does not add up.

>>173565979
It was done for dramatic effect and because they ran out of money to make anything more than the most cliche ending choice possible.

>>173565440
>If Max clearly wants Chloe then why defy her?
Do not taunt happy fun time goddess.

Wouldn't it have fuckin' ruled if Max went crazy for a bit going like "It's okay Chloe, I'll fix this. I'll fix EVERYTHING~! :D"? And the time break just keeps getting worse and worse until all the color disappears and shit, and everything starts to look like rough sketches.

I just wanted more of time break shit, cause that was so fucking cool!

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Why does this make me tear up?

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>>173567064
You're right. Dream on, young Max.

>>173566597
Time breaking would have been cool. Either reverting to something extremely simple like the end of Neon Genesis Evangelion. Or breaking the universe like the end of Futurama with Max and Chloe carrying on together through a frozen universe.
There was plenty of things to be inspired by and creative ideas for endings but they went with the one everyone predicted and that most said they would not like. They even took extra time to work on episode 5 and still half-assed the ending.
That's the true mistake that needs to be rewound and fixed.

>>173567064
Yup. Sometimes Max has nightmares of stuff like that and it always shakes her a bit when she wakes up. Then Chloe comforts her until she falls back asleep to hopefully have better dreams.
Sweet dreams, Maxer.

>>173566861
Not gonna lie, a little disappointed that we never got to explore alternate Blackwell. I assumed we'd stick around a while to learn info we'd never be able to in the prime timeline, especially since alt-Max is a Vortex member.

But hey, it's keeping perfectly in character that our Max would faithfully run off to see her boo immediately, so I guess I can't complain too much.

>>173567220
Huh, I don't remember Max wearing a dress in the game.
Is this fanart or what

>''Welcome to Life is Strange - Season 1''

WHAT
I swear to God I've been playing LiS since the first episode came out but I never noticed this in the menu before.
Now I have no doubt that a sequel is actually going to happen in the future.

>>173567672
She wears it to Rachel's funeral.
Max and Chloe return to Arcadia Bay a week or two after the storm to see Chloe's parents, get some stuff from Chloe's house, and to say goodbye to Rachel. Then they return to Seattle to stay with Max's parents for a bit so Joyce and David can rebuild their home and their relationship.
It benefits everyone.

>>173567665
The more I think about the alternate timeline, the more concerned I get.
Stuff like: What happened to Kate if Max wasn't there to save her? Just how much was Max doing with the Vortex Club? What would happen to William and Joyce after Chloe died? What would happen when the storm came in that timeline?

I was glad to just undo the changes and get back to the regular timeline even if there was a lot of problems there. Max didn't seem to like who she was in that timeline and I fear seeing more of it would have made her more disgusted.

>>173567620
The time break stuff should've also had a slow build up all throughout episode 5. You see the occasional anomaly, then more, and then finally it goes completely batshit.

Also, what the hell was with the deer? Is it a personification of fate? Did it give Max her powers? Is it a time cop(there should've been time cops in this game)? Is it bullshit symbolism that only the writers give a flying rat's ass about?

Max and Chloe deserved better writing than this amateur hour wank.

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>>173569224
Time was starting to break but they never fully dedicated to it. Nature going crazy, Max's nosebleeds and headaches, and stuff like that.
I had a fear that when I saw the two moons it mean that the timelines were separate and merged, which meant people may be meeting their doppelgangers or people they shouldn't (Chloe seeing alt William, Max seeing her alt self Joyce seeing alt paralyzed Chloe) it creates a lot of cool, but also really sad or frightening, moments.
For that reason I like to just conclude there is only one timeline.

The doe is Rachel's spirit. It only appears in the Junkyard (disappearing when Rachel's body is found) as well as in Max's nightmare where it leads her down the school hall to the bathroom where she first saved Chloe.
It's never addressed, but I think Rachel's the reason Max has the power. She heard about Max from Chloe, like Max heard about Rachel, and Rachel knew Max was the only one who could really save Chloe and make her happy. Kind of her way of apologizing from the afterlife that she screwed up so much.

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>>173568704
Dayeanne is a cute nerd.

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>>173569857

>>173569079
Everything in that alternate timeline is just kill yourself depressing. Our girlfriend is dying, we're a huge asshole, and everything is going to hell even faster than normal.

Shit, for all we know, alt-Max herself is the killer instead of Jefferson!

>>173569694
It's as good a theory as any, I suppose, since Dontmind couldn't be bothered to come up with an explanation.

Y'know, it's a bad time to be a French developer right now. Between Ubisoft's shenanigans, and Dontmind pulling the spiritual successor to Mass Effect 3... France, get it together.

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>>173566861
>All those fics with Victoria 'comforting' Max after Chloe dies.

>>173571027
They're pretty good, eh?

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>Everyone's cruel to tsuntoria

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>>173571374
>She just wants to provoke Max until she cant take it.
>Once Max retaliates with the back of her hand, giving Victoria the discipline she craves, Victoria will be a good girl, and shower Max in gifts

>>173571531
If you're really smart, you might be able to work it out for yourself. It'll take some deft image analysis tho.

>>173571374
We need more Tsuntoria.

So cute. So tsundere.

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>Reminder that Victoria's better in the bedroom than "Cucky Price"

>>173572112
The real question is if Victoria is a huge sub underneath, or as dominant as you'd expect.

>>173572258
The question is answered conclusively in dandybear's fics on ao3

>>173572384
Dude...
this isn't /u/

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>>173572258
>>173572489
Victoria complicated, the kind of person who'll dominate you into dominating her.

Victoria and Max will never be together. Max does not like her that way, and I doubt Victoria likes Max that way.
If Victoria ever tried to do something Max did not want, Chloe would intervene and it would not be pretty.

When you guys will let it go?
We can revive /lisg/ when Season 2 gets announced.

>>173577106
Life is Strange without Chloe and Max isn't Life is Strange. It's a story that's fundamentally about the characters, and swapping them all out in season two just leaves you with two completely separate games that have the same name. It's pointless.

>>173577710
It will be hard to make a sequel without declaring one or another ending canon.

>>173577710
Season 2 will be like Top Gear without Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May.
Everybody thinks it would be a disaster but after a while they'd get over it.

>>173578360
Season 2 without Max and Chloe*

>>173577710
Well there will be new characters. Hopefully Dontnod can create one that are interesting and likable in their own rights. I think they can...the question is if they improve their story writing ability.
They don't have to replace Max and Chloe, nor should they, the new characters will just be beside them.
Cuteposting Pricefield and whatever the new duo is.

>>173578057
Not really. They could easily make a third ending.
Kill two birds with one stone: Set up the new story from the same point, and correct the disappointment of the original endings.

>>173577710
I think Life is Strange has great potential as a franchise and storytelling vehicle, and disagree with the notion popular round these parts that LiS is the story of Max and Chloe and nothing more. Even the first game is a lot more than that.

To me Life is Strange is a type of story - one about ordinary lives upended by the extraordinary that keeps focus on the pathos and relationships of its ordinary human characters, and limits the supernatural to serving as a vehicle through which characters and themes are explored.

Dontnod can and should release a second season with a new cast of characters.

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>really get into bowie in the past few months
>get to this song

Holy shit. This would've been the most amazing credits song, and I hope someone at Dontnod at least suggested it. Without money, though, I don't think it would've happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3SjCzA71eM

>>173581173
Had you not heard it before? I thought this was one of his most famous songs

We post our favorite scenes from the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-ViHRQFja8

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>>173582920
the nathan voicemail is killer, fuck the feels man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zqNIWidOno

>>173582284
For whatever reason I'd never looked up much Bowie music, and somehow I'd never heard Heroes. My music tastes go way back too, so I'm not sure how Bowie slipped under my radar, honestly.

>>173583293
Seconded. That, or when Chloe dares Max to kiss her.

>>173579115
Sounds like a recipe for another episode 5

>>173582920
That scene where Jefferson kills Chloe.

>>173584476
I especially enjoyed how realistic it was that you had to almost ransack Kate's room in front of her, in order to have the information needed to save her.

>>173583320
>You will never get to tickle Kate's cute little tootsie toes

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>>173585425
Some people do get to, apparently.

>>173585534
Would have been so much better if the information was conveyed in the optional conversations you have with Kate.

Something's just not right about going up to a suicidal depressed person, grabbing their personally annotated bible, and checking which quotes they've crossed out or underlined. Let alone reading private mail between them and their parents. And this is after we got chewed out for snooping on Dana's pregnancy test in the previous ep.

The roof scene had really good tension, but it's puzzle design was poor.

>>173581173
>bowie (or at least a parody thereof)
>timetravel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqa4G0J2faE

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>>173585425
some day anon

>>173586335
>tfw you will never Kate with her hair down rendered with the glorious Unreal Engine 4

>>173586335
never see*

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>>173586335
Kate and Alice are floofy!

>>173582920
''Chloe! You have a visitor''

;_;

Where have all these newcomers come from?

They're all painfully unaware of /lisg/'s culture.

>>173585951
>>173583396
>>173581173
The songs wouldn't fit, at all.

The only acceptable rendition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6txUcVs_5s

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>>173586878
>>173586335
floof in the morning

>>173585542
STOP BULLYING KATE

>>173588478
>tfw you will never hug Kate
>tfw you will never tell her she's stronger than she thinks
>tfw you will never have tea with
As much as I was amused by the enormous "TOO GOOD FOR THIS CRUEL WORLD" tattoo on her forehead, I still like Kate. She is precious and must be protected.

Why does lisg even exist anymore? This shit makes me feel sick

>>173589564
She's enjoying it anon. Asking for it. What a tickle-slut.

>>173589564
It's not bullying if there's a safe word.

>>173549134
>Is the closet lesbian a bigger lesbian than the open lesbian?
When you put it like that, it seems they're about even.

>>173589629
Could Kate work as the protagonist of her own game?

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Range day today! Hell excited.
You guys and girls have fun here and stay comfy! <3

>>173589749
We talk about proper rabbit care and debate breakfast comestibles

>>173592231
Doubtful. As likeable as she is, she's very much designed to fill a specific role, a macguffin to be rescued. What makes Max a good protagonist is that she has agency, and her actions and desires drive the narrative.

Kate though? You'd have to change her up a bit to make her an active presence in the story. Granted she has changed a little by the end, but you're pretty much stuck with having to go with the "starting to question her faith" angle so that she will do the questionable shit Max, and presumably our next Time Gal, does.

Kate is too much of a saint to be an effective hero of a paranormal slice of life story. Unless of course that's the point, and she slowly gets more jaded and pragmatic over time. Which I'm not sure anyone wants.

>>173593459
What if she becomes jaded and pragmatic but if you get the good ending her outlook starts to shift back to optimistic?

>>173593729
Going back and forth between seeing the good in life and want to see the world burn? Yeah, that might work.

>Dontmind Entertainment
>good ending
Pfffffffft!

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>half a dozen guys somewhere in France are drawing Season 2 concept arts RIGHT NOW

What will Kate and Alice do on Good Friday?

Unpopular opinion incoming.

Max and Chloe are cute. CUTE!

>>173595392
Okay, actual unpopular opinion. I kinda don't want a Season 2. Given how badly Dontmind botched the ending to Season 1, and rendered everything that happened completely pointless, I have little doubt that they'll fuck it up again.

They'll make it, but I'm not playing it. I've been burned too many times to be handing out second chances like candy. Fuck you, Dontmind.

>>173596362
People can learn from their mistakes, also they have a much bigger budget now.

>>173598032
Bigger budget does not mean better writing or better game design. No amount of money will fix hackery.

Hi everyone!
We are gonna do another /lisg/ sings.
The song we are going to be singing is In My Mind by Amanda Palmer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hixNeV7h5c4 [Embed]
This song has more lyrics than the usual LiS song so if you only want to sing a small part that's okay too.

>Okay cool how do I record myself singing?
You can use your phone or a microphone with something like Audacity. Try to avoid Vocaroo as it makes the quality shit.
Please do not include the original track with your singing. So it just has to be your voice.
You can sing along while wearing headphones or something.

>How do I submit my submission?
You can email your file to [email protected]
Please include the song name in the subject part of the email!

>What is the deadline?
Sunday April 23rd 23:59 (UTC+01:00)

hi im new here can someone tell me why each chapter is called what their called

>>173599581
>Chrysalis
Reference to the butterfly Max spots and also that it's the beginning of the story.

>Out of Time
Max finds herself literally out of time when her power starts to fail just as Kate is about to die.

>Chaos Theory
Max goes far back in time and creates a radically different present sue to the chaotic variables caused by her change.

>Dark Room
Max and Chloe discover the Dark Room. Pretty self-explanatory.

>Polarized
Max uses her polaroid photos to travel to different timelines. Ironically enough it's an appropriate name for the episode considering many players found it polarizing due to the perceived decline in quality.

>>173600190
>sue to
*due to*

>>173600190
thanks

Set in 2013, yeah?

>marry me
>illegal in Oregon. for now
They must've been overjoyed on the day of overpriced pizza.

>>173601526
>illegal in Oregon. for now

not anymore

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I bet we'll see a Prescott in Vampyr

>>173601575
Yes, that is what I was getting at.

So how do our pirates go about it? Elope or traditional style ceremony?

And now that I think of it, it's a little weird they never really explore the fact that they're queers Oregon. Like, I can't imagine too many folks in bumfuck middle of nowhere Arcadia Bay are cool with this. Maybe Dontmind could've dedicated some time to that instead of resorting to wheel spinning filler in Episode 5.

>>173602554
Marriage out at sea.

>>173603704
Makes sense.

Is there actually a reason for the persistent pirate motif? It keeps coming up, yet I don't think it ties into anything besides being another thing Max and Chloe do.

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>>173605924
probably just some childish imagination, or chloe just really likes max's pirate booty

>>173606549
Or most likely both.

Also, Chloe's got proper crazy eyes in that photo. Holy shit.

>>173607419
Oh shit yeah, i wonder who's birthday its supposed to be.

>>173592231
It's possible. Left 4 Dead has zombie characters.

>Page 8

No! You're my number one priority right now.

>>173612337
That line is another reason the ending is dumb. Max is noble and heroic, yes, but you cannot tell me, after all these shenanigans, that she wouldn't tell fate to shove it for Chloe's sake.

Max has her moments of selfishness, and game more or less revolves around her being dead set on keeping Chloe alive and with her. I just don't buy that she would be content with this chaos theory nonsense, and that she wouldn't keep trying. Especially after the emotionally draining alternate timeline, she should be even more protective of her beloved.

>lighthouses
Oh hardy har, CAPTCHA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njmkPRFvJx0

>>173616620
Watching that makes me realize something else that would've been an amazing ending song, and the ending seems to pay homage to something I never thought of before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y001O8Azj1U

>you met me at a very strange time in my life

>>173613632
The way I see it is this:

1. Not everyone dies in the Storm ending. Yeah, it sucks some people do, but Max saves a ton of people, and a ton of people before that, and no one else is "destined to die" like Chloe is. I can understand the idea of fate needing things to occur, but you can't fucking tell me that the consequence of saving someone from death is to have a storm come and whales die. It's idiotic writing on Dontnod's part that they clearly only shoved in around the last episode, when choices didn't end up mattering. Why didn't "fate" as a personification just kill Max? Max is the one saving all these people, so clearly the better option for the Final Destination Reaper to go for is Max herself.

2. There's no guarantee that going back again would've fixed everything in the long run. Sure, budgets fucked up both endings, most notably the Chloe one as Dontnod admitted themselves, but even then, neither ending goes beyond Arcadia Bay. What if all these storms and shit continue? What if it's Max who was destined to die? What if in that bathroom when she emerges Nathan shot her in panic and she died there? Maybe that's what happened.

In the end, both endings are terrible because of, of course, budget cuts and rushed production, but also because they offer even less choice than something like Mass Effect 3's endings. At least you had more than two options there and saw clear ramifications of those options, shitty as they were and badly-written as they were. Dontnod's endings are infinitely worse, and shame on them for that, but I do get it. They just didn't have any money.

>>173622220
That budget excuse has always sounded like bullshit. Dontnod, you're being published by Square Enix, and you're bitching about money? You're seriously trying to tell me the company that blows cash on overblown pre-rendered wank won't spot you some extra to actually finish the game? And either way, lack of funds is no excuse for poor writing.

The time break shit was cool, but it probably could've been removed in place of actually explaining what's going on.

Like at the very least give me some shit about Chloe also being an anomaly like Max. Or maybe it was that deer doing all this shit. Anything.

>even LiS (a singleplayer game that came out 2 years ago that barely has any replay value) has more players than Battleborn on steam

kek

>>173626636
Is Battleborn really that forgettable? Cause I think people only remember it as that game that was kinda but not really Overwatch's main competitor for like five minutes.

Also, Max totally mains Tracer, yes?

>>173627978
>Also, Max totally mains Tracer, yes?

That's likely.
They both have a lot in common.

>>173627978
Gearbox has has a really bad year. Battleborn crashed and burned, then the whole G2A thing now...

There's less Max/Tracer crossover art than i expected to be honest.

>>173628820
Gearbox may have fucked itself irreparably with Aliens: Colonial Marines. These new flops are just part of the fallout.

I feel like Max at least would cosplay, and Chloe would do it because it makes her girl happy. They'd do a nice Tracer/Widowmaker pair.

Also, it's kinda jarring to realize Overwatch is a 2016 release. I'm so used to seeing it everywhere, but it's only been a year.

>>173626636
Shit, you weren't joking.

http://steamcharts.com/app/394230
http://steamcharts.com/app/319630

>>173632817
Why are they so perfect?

>64 posters
>Not even 200 replies

We're almost as alive as Chloe, and that's very alive

>>173633994
I guess someone is resetting the router every now and then to bring more IPs here.

>>173598607
>No amount of money will fix hackery.
No, but they had enough money to create more than two endings for Vampyr. They could've used the cash to fix lip synching issues--or blatant lack of lip movement--and explore more of the sub-plots.

>>173626636
Wow I always wanted to play yet another shooter

>>173634835
>explore more of the sub-plots.
You mean like all the times I had to save human Lumpy Space Princess from slapstick? Or getting in with the Vortex Club? Or the Prescotts and Pan Estates? Or anything, really? Yeah, would've been nice if any of that went somewhere.

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>>173633231
Because they are for each other.

>>173641618
>HOMO
I am a little curious now if there are gay couples who jokingly refer to each other with homophobic slurs. Like, I don't know, something like "Come here and kiss me, you dirty queer.", or "You're such a cute little faggot.".

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>>173641618
Flower crowns!
(Hope they don't attract bees or anything!)

>>173643890
I've never heard that. Just joking stuff like "We are so gay."
I could see Chloe making some jokes like that, maybe Max. Though they don't focus on or make a big deal that they're two girls. They're just in love and that's all that matters.
Anyone questioning them doesn't know them.

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>>173585769
>but it's puzzle design was poor
Does LiS have puzzles?

I would think of a puzzle as a problem solving exorcise. One where you have all the information available to solve the problem, and the challenge is in your own ability to put the pieces together. In LiS the challenge comes from remembering information you may have gathered earlier while exploring (as with Kate), and the time investment of finding several arbitrary items (breaking into Well's office). So the only way to really fail a """puzzle""" is to either not be searching the environment throughly enough, or just having poor short term memory. So I'm not sure LiS has any puzzles i m o.

>>173643890
Anecdotally I know several gay couples who refer to each other as a faggots, or even use the world gay as a disparaging term. Words have the power we give them I suppose.

>>173643890
No. They'd never do that. The same way black people would never call each other derogatory names.

>>173645698
>So I'm not sure LiS has any puzzles i m o.
Bottles, man. Bottles.

Also, I bought a DVD of Brick for $3 last weekend. I'm looking forward to the commentary.

>>173644672
>Though they don't focus on or make a big deal that they're two girls.
Admittedly, that may be part of the reason the pairing gained such a diehard fan base. Usually with queer romance, it's expected that the gay element will be openly talked about to some degree, but here it's a very matter-of-fact scenario of two people in love. This of course allows viewers to coo over them without having to acknowledge sociopolitical issues.

I'm not disparaging that, even though I would've liked to see at least a little bit of our power couple having to deal with that particular challenge, I'm just making an observation.

Oh, I also find it kind of amusing that the art gallery is in San Francisco. Just saying.

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Lapnaps.

>>173646358
The bottles are more busywork than a puzzle.

I'm gonna shit on Michel's car if he brings back the bottles in Season 2.

The investigation board in Episode 4 was a proper puzzle. Maybe the dialogue puzzles in Episode 3.

Can we address a bit of an elephant in the room for a second? From a pure technical level, Life is Strange isn't a very good video game. I mean, yeah, it's an adventure game, so it already has that going against it, but still. The rewind tends to refuse commands, there are only a few real puzzles, the rewind can sometimes catastrophically glitch out which forces you to reset, it's a bit of a mess. The whole thing really does live or die by its story, which makes one wonder(and as a gamer, I hate thinking this) why this wasn't just a CG film serial kind of thing. There's not much reason for this to be a game, especially considering the players choices ultimately mean nothing.

>>173649463
I actually really liked the investigation board, even if if may have dragged a little. It was nice to actually have to complete an actual challenge of some sort.

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What's this about Maxaroni n' Cheese not being able to dance?

>>173650492
I think that opinion is shallow. It is a proper video game and could have not just as well been a film. It is a fundamentally different experience.

>>173650492
A CG film would take a lot away from the setting. We learn a lot of extra details by examining the environment and talking to other people around the town. They may not be vital to the story but they add a lot of character to Arcadia Bay.

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>>173645698
There was a deductive element involved in as much as you were given information that Kate had received a nasty letter from her mother, and you had to consider how Kate would react to that and deduce that you shouldn't bring up her mother. It didn't actually say "don't bring up her mother, dude". Contrast and compare Dana literally telling Max to go into Victoria's room and retrieve proof half-way through episode 1.

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>>173646358
Indeed, I'm unsure whether or not to criticize the collection of bottles as a poor navigational puzzle, or as particularly contrived way of halting plot progress. Both, probably.

Congratulations on your recent purchase of Brick. One of my all time favorites. Certainly gets a recommendation from me to any LiS lovers.

"It's duck soup"

>>173649463
>The investigation board in Episode 4 was a proper puzzle
Not to me personally. But if it is, it's not a good one. For starters, not all of the information is available to you to solve the """""puzzle""""". If you hadn't played any previous episodes you would need to be pretty lucky to "solve" it on your own. If you had played the previous episodes then it basically amounts to the player making a sideshow of previous events. It only asks the audience to prove they have a basic understanding of the plot so far, it doesn't test reasoning or deductive skills. To me a puzzle has give me all the tools I need to solve a problem, otherwise I may as well just be playing bar trivia. Like,
"What is a PUK code, and how many times can you enter Nathan's phone pin incorrectly before it becomes useful?"

As a personal nitpick. I think that puzzle solutions should be quick to implement once players have worked it out. Even if you know the solution, the """"""""""puzzles"""""""""" in LiS take forever to play out (I'm looking at you "convince Chloe you have powers by demonstrating premonition 15 times in a row").

>>173650492
>From a pure technical level, Life is Strange isn't a very good video game.
On the contrary, you are the only person I've ever seen complaining about technical issues. I would say that mechanically LiS isn't a very good game. The question of player agency is a interesting one, but consider that perhaps that the illusion of choice is almost just as powerful as the notion of choice itself. Even if it's just an illusion, you can not say for certain that the illusion is without meaning.

>>173646649
I liked that they never really brought up the fact it was gay.
Chloe hinted about her sexuality and was clearly into other girls. She probably realized she loved Max after she had left and that confused her until she met Rachel, who helped her realize "Oh I'm a lesbian. That explains things."
Max was in love with Chloe but never questioned it because they were always so close. She didn't stress out about it, she just let things be how she wanted.
The whole "gay panic" thing was never needed because they were already comfortable with each other. It was refreshing to see a relationship like that that felt genuine and didn't drive home some point to show how progressive the devs were.

The series and sequel will make Chloe's death and Max marrying Warren canon.
As it should be because the majority chose those actions.

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>>173655937

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>>173654203
But does the inclusion of any degree of deductive reasoning really make something a puzzle? I would ague it does not. You aren't "given" information about Kate's mother, you "find" information about Kate's mother. So if you aren't feeling particularly snoopy that day, or the item mapping was off you wouldn't have that information. If you do have the information then there's no deductive reasoning to be done. Unless for some reason you wanted Kate to jump you wouldn't bring up her mother. It's really no different than saying "Don't bring up her mother if you don't want her to jump." Merely having the information solves that part of the puzzle, not interpreting the information. You could argue that collecting stuff is the puzzle, but you'd have to count stuff like Banjo Kazooie and Crash Bandicoot as a puzzle games too, so be careful with that.

There's also the issue that the game doesn't technically count Kate's death as a fail state. So if the puzzle disappears afterwards, no matter what yo do, did you really pass or fail? I'm not too sure about that one. I guess it has to do with what the player interprets as a "favorable outcome".

>>173657030
I'm personally puzzled why you'd open with this:
>But does the inclusion of any degree of deductive reasoning really make something a puzzle? I would ague it does not.

Given you immediately go on to make the entirely different argument that no deduction is done.
>If you do have the information then there's no deductive reasoning to be done

I will address the latter argument first. It's simply wrong. You aren't told specifically that " Kate will kill herself you mention her Mother". Once you read the letter, you have to work out that its content upset Kate, therefore she is likely to be upset with the sender, and therefore not going to be conducive to having her Mother brought up in future. Clearly reasoning is involved. It might be that all that seems exceptionally easy and obvious, but that makes it an easy puzzle, not a non-puzzle.


On the first point, your own definition of puzzle (clearly not the only definition, nor a dictionary definition, but more on that later) is
>a problem solving exorcise. One where you have all the information available to solve the problem, and the challenge is in your own ability to put the pieces together.
This challenge you speak of seems little more than the application of some form of reasoning. Ergo any task presented to the player that requires reasoning would fulfil that portion of your criteria.

The other criteria, that you have all the needed information, would seem to void a fair number of "classic adventure game puzzles" from actually being puzzles (since a needed item may or may not be found and collected, or information stated previously that may be forgotten), and also a variety of common turns of phrase including "crossword puzzle" (since a crossword requires a sufficient vocabulary to solve which is not supplied). Nor does being guaranteed all needed information seem to appear in dictionary definitions of puzzle, I would therefore argue that your very choice of definition is highly questionable.

>>173657030
>There's also the issue that the game doesn't technically count Kate's death as a fail state.

Don't confuse individual "puzzle" or "mission" fail states with a game-wide fail state. It is hardly unprecedented for the failure of a single task in a game not to bring about complete failure of the game.

>>173660319
Max focusing on the important things

>>173657030
>Max faces a binary choice: awake her tempermental beau or the couch
>Bitch takes the couch
>Eat shit and die, motherfucking couch.

>>173661848
Nah, she could easily wiggle her way into the bed.
Chloe feels her and without waking up cuddles up to her. Sometimes you gotta take risks.

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>>173660825
>I'm personally puzzled
It was to acknowledge that what constitutes "deductive reasoning" is rather iffy. The thought process you describe the player going through isn't something I think warrants the term. I drew those conclusions the second I processed the information. I was never made to ponder the information or to think in an abstract way. Inhaling and exhaling isn't a puzzle to me.

>Ergo any task presented to the player that requires reasoning would fulfill that portion of your criteria.
Reasoning entirely dependent on the information provided. The Uncharted games give you the answer to the """"""""""""puzzles"""""""""""" in Nathan's Journal. There is """deductive reasoning""" involved in taking out the journal and looking at the answer, but to such a negligible degree that I no longer feel that Uncharted has puzzles. Classic adventure games were plagued by non-puzzles, the whole "there was a bridge across that gap the whole time you just couldn't see it because of the perceptive" trick wasn't funny the first time. Video game's were the wild west back then, it's no surprise that "arbitrary bullshit" was confused with "puzzles". As for crosswords my definition describes them perfectly, just because you can't solve a puzzle doesn't make it a bad one, on the contrary. Most good puzzles will make you seek out more knowledge. I can often fill out a crossword if I rack my brain a little, I can't think myself into snooping around Kate's room better two hours ago. If you feel as though you have a better definition of what defines a puzzle I'd like to hear it.

>>173661093
My point was that a player could intentionally try to make Kate jump off the roof. If they viewed that as a "favorable result" (for example they wanted to see how the story changed) in that case you couldn't really say they failed the puzzle, they just failed to save Kate. If the game views both outcomes as valid then it's difficult to say if you can "fail" the """""puzzle""""".

Season 2 soonish. We've already gone through most of the wait, hopefully.

>>173667661
It's not gonna happen until they release Vampyr first.
I'm my opinion the S2 announcement is gonna happen in early/mid 2018 or maybe very late 2017, like December or November.

>>173665948
fucking dyke

>>173668494
Calm down, Nathan

>>173672269
smoll bonny

So uh...
Who here is looking forward to play Vampyr?

>>173674365
I am. I loved Vampire the Masquerade, and while I know Vampyr will never be as good, I hope it scratches that itch at least.

>>173674365
I am. It looks genuinely interesting.

>>173674365
VTMB is one of my favorite PC games of all time, I might as well give it a try.
The inevitable LiS references will also serve as an incentive to play this game.

Vampyr is gonna flop so hard

https://hannahtelle.bandcamp.com/album/hollow-glow-full-album

>TFW max's voice actress makes an album of LiS sounding music

This is a dream, she should do a song with chloe's VA

>>173674365
it interests me

Who /KatexRachel/ here?

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>>173684039

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>>173684252
CUTE
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>>173684039
I'm RachelxEveryone, desu

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Do you think Max and Chloe would settle in Seattle? Is it a nice place to live, or would they pine for Arcadia Bay in the end?

(All I know is Seattle has hipsters and traffic problems)

>>173684897
Seattle. It's made fairly clear the both of them want out of Arcadia Bay, because let's face it, this town is a heap. I'm so glad I've never lived in a small town, cause that seems like a special kind of hell.

Speaking of settling though, what would Chloe do for a living? Max obviously would pursue her photography career, but Chloe got expelled, so I guess she'd just have various day jobs?

>>173687402
She could also return to education. She does in the San Francisco iteration of the timeline.

>>173687641
What was her field of interest? Blackwell is an art school, so what arts does Chloe do?

This thread has more posting IPs than images. Is this a first?

>>173687845
It's renown for its art program, specifically photography, but it is not an art school; it offers a bunch of programs, including sports, music and sciences. There's only a handful students from Max's grade in Jefferson's class, after all.

But they are presumably required to take an art class. I think Chloe's would be painting or something with music. But her primary academic field of interest would be natural sciences, maths.

>>173688530
Oh. Sorry, Blackwell is a bit of clusterfuck, so I got confused.

>natural science, maths
Hm. So, why isn't there at least one scene of Chloe doing SCIENCE!!!? Because I want to see her rocking a lab coat and fucking around with beakers while everyone else takes cover behind a table.

>>173689117
It's indeed easy to get confused with Blackwell.

Well, Chloe does have science mags lying around in her room, and later books, researching physics of time for Max. She also alludes to being interested in maths and physics.

But maybe Max should have asked Chloe how to build the bomb in Episode 3, not Warren "things blow up in my face" Graham. I'm not sure where else there could have been opportunity for Chloe to do science though. But lab coat crazy scientist Chloe is a great image. She was so excited when they did blow up the door - that's how I'd like to imagine her in the lab as well. Explosions and hellas.

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>>173687921
I think the new anon is using an IP switch? For whatever reason.

>77 IPs

No way we have that many posters now.

>>173690309
Maybe a major service provider refreshed their customer IPs which ended up creating several new IPs. Everyone's public IP changes from time to time.

>>173689550
I feel like the bomb building part was given to Warren because they realized he's ultimately kinda pointless, so they wanted to give him SOME use.

Seriously, dude knows how to build a pipe bomb, but a simple parlor trick eludes him? Nah.

Max is cute and I want to hug her!

Chloe is cute and I want to hug her!

>>173691937
>>173692274
just fuck already you two

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>>173691937
>>173692274
Do it!

Are they gonna hire new VAs for Season 2?

>>173691937
>>173692274
I love both, but Max is cuter. Especially when she's angry.
>You're gonna die, motherFUCKER.

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>>173693281
Well it'll be new characters, so presumably, yes.

>Michel is using the Pricefield avatar again on his twitter profile

they are gonna bring back the lesbians again aren't they

>>173693281
I hope.
I hate Ashly's voice.

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>>173694603
haha no

>>173695216
I was told that my choices would matter so I don't trust 100% them.

>>173681979
Very nice. Really like how blue Chloe's eyes are.
Good work with the tripod, Max. Can't even see ya holding the remote.

>>173695506
True. Nothing Dontnod says is irrevocable fact.

Max is a bad person

>>173698953
I would pay for DLC of Max and Chloe married and just going about their lives. Just a bunch of mundane domestic shit, I don't care.

THEY DESERVE TO BE HAPPY TOGETHER, DAMMIT!

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Max is a hella great person!

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>>173699856
I would pay for that too.
But do know that they are happy and very much in love with each other. We just don't get to directly follow their actions anymore.We helped them when they needed it most. Noe they have each other, their family, and their friends.

We can just watch, from afar, and be happy for them. Knowing we gave them that little extra push.

>>173699710
>There are actually idiots that think this
Makes me wonder who would be "good" in the minds of those people

>>173701642
Seriously. She's no saint, granted, but she is trying her damndest. Her first instinct upon seeing someone get murdered in cold blood is to immediately bend space-time over a table to prevent the tragedy. And do recall that she didn't even realize that was Chloe at first, so this was an act of pure altruism.

Gotta love how the lesson here is that if you have the power to help people, don't, because made up chaos theory bullshit will force you to let them die.

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this thread needs more kate

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>>173703003
I think it's more "even supernatural powers won't let you avoid consequences or make things perfect."

>>173706130
And that would be all well and good, but the way it's written is sloppy and forced. We've discussed to death how that tornado is the biggest fucking plot hole ever, and that Dontmind is a bunch of hacks.

And hell, speaking of Kate, you can save her, twice technically, and that doesn't cause an apocalypse. Apparently the universe just straight up has it out for Chloe Price.

If season 2 does feature Max, she's going to be the bitterest, uncaring motherfucker ever, since she has now seen first hand that trying to help people only ever leads to disaster. Hell, it might even be pretty funny if she were the villain this time around. Why the hell not? Dontmind already went full retard, may as well go ham with it.

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>>173706130
>And that would be all well and good, but the way it's written is sloppy and forced. We've discussed to death how that tornado is the biggest fucking plot hole ever, and that Dontmind is a bunch of hacks.
The quality of the writing doesn't affect the themes and messages that it's trying to convey. Yes, the endings were done poorly, but that doesn't mean we can ignore the themes themselves.

Saving Chloe was special, because it was the initial act of subverting nature. It's not that saving people in particular causes a storm, it's that changing a timeline in any way summons THE storm. So your choices are: accept your choices as they initially were, with no supernatural "cheating"; or cheat, and accept the supernatural consequences of your new choices.

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>>173706839
If it was saving chloe that fucks the timeline, in that timeline where you let chloe die (the unaltered timeline), kate doesn't attempt suicide. So kate's suicide attempt is a result of fucking with the timelines, and so i guess it doesn't affect anything if you mess with the already altered timeline by using max's powers to save kate.

>>173707440
You can take your themes and shove them directly up your ass. I hate when people use "Oh, but it was thematic!" to justify complete bullshit. I indulge in stories for characters and story, not for some boring abstract faux-poetry the writers want to shove down my throat. Themes are unimportant as far as I'm concern, exactly because of shit like this, because writers will more often than not bend over backwards to make the events of a story fit their theme, even when it doesn't make any fucking sense.

Next time I do a play through, Kate can go splat for all I fucking care. Fits with the theme of "Helping people is bad, because reasons.".

>>173689550
She would blow herself up and die in a horrific chemical fire if Nathan hadn't shot her. What a beautiful use of imagination. haha :)

>>173687402
She won't find much work outside of restaurants without a high school degree. Unless she rights her course, she'll turn into a fat ab-less drain on Max.

>>173687402
I live in a village miles from any towns. It has an appeal. It's also horrible. Think Arcadia Bay/10.

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>>173708157
>I indulge in stories for characters and story,
You indulge in stories for story? The madman. I indulge in games for cupcakes personally.

>because writers will more often than not bend over backwards to make the events of a story fit their theme, even when it doesn't make any fucking sense.
But you're fine with Max's rewind in general? Like, the fact that she can essentially teleport, or that the earth can stop rotating around her feet while still rotating around the sun? Because the rewind in general is merely a thematic crutch and plot convenience.

How many people did Kate have to make out with to set the tongue record?

>>173711079
Fuck you, there's a very real difference between fudging physics a little to make superpowers work, and breaking your narrative for the sake of jerking off to your own pretentious metatextual rambling.

It's consistent that the rewind doesn't affect Max herself or the items she has on her person. What's not consistent is the out of nowhere destiny shit that only exists to force a sad ending.

>>173712815
Stop, you exploitative cunt.

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>>173712940
>fudging physics a little
The earth spinning while not moving isn't "fudging physics a little". It's outright disdain for the concept. You also can't "break" a narrative. A plot perhaps, but not a narrative. Artists have no obligation to stay within the realms of logic, or even deliver a satisfying conclusion. Be upset about it all you want, but "broken" is not synonymous with "I didn't like it".

>It's consistent that the rewind doesn't affect Max herself or the items she has on her person
So if the story was consistently bad it would be fine? I see.

>What's not consistent is the out of nowhere destiny shit that only exists to force a sad ending.
I don't know Anon... sounds to me like you were fine with themes>logic right up until you couldn't handle the feels. Is that what happened Anon? You can tell me.

>>173715974
>Artists have no obligation to stay within the realms of logic, or even deliver a satisfying conclusion.
You're a special kind of retarded.

And for the record, I have nothing against a tragic ending. The issue is that this tragic ending makes no sense whatsoever. There is no explanation for why Max saving Chloe creates the tornado other than "Because the writer said so.". The fact you are defending this hackery is frankly disgusting. Get some fucking standards.

Why doesn't Warryn ever get the hint?

>>173720467
Because Warren x Max is possible canon.

>>173721291
In the same way that Max running into a wall for 5 hours is possible canon. You can do it within the confines of the game, but it's a terrible idea.

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Lisg is quiet today.

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>>173722693
maybe it would be more active if every thread didn't devolve into an argument about the ending

>>173723107
Everyone here is a tedious, unimaginative stuck record.

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>>173723172
what ever happened to the people who didn't just shit on story faults and came up with theories around them

everyone seems so hostile, i just want to post qt kates

>>173723107
There's not really much else to talk about, honestly.

I mean, unless you'd like to discuss just what in the actual fuck is Victoria's problem. Seriously, is she a literal sociopath or something?

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>>173723591
after helping bully kate to near suicide, the same night uses the incident to gain some points with jefferson. yeah she apologizes and stuff in the post card, but its too little too late.

the kate x victoria ship makes less sense than the warren x max ship yet people seem totally fine with it

>>173721291
is possible headcanon*

>>173699710
Max is a murderer
but only in the Bae ending

Max did nothing wrong.