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Previous: >>172926049

>[Bait Gacha]
http://news.fate-go.jp/2017/class2017_c66hy/
From 3/29 to 4/5 Daily Class Summons.
Wednesday - Saber
Thursday Archer
Friday - Lancer
Saturday - Rider
Sunday - Assassin + EXTRA
Monday - caster
Tuesday - Berserker
Wednesday - Saber


>News
- Latest changes http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/news.php
-GUDAGUDA Part 2 coming in mid-April
-http://news.fate-go.jp/2017/maiji_r7c6d/
-CCC collab coming at some point much later

>Dropmaps
http://imgur.com/a/6nXq9

>Farming Guide
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_SlTjrVRTgHgfS7sRqx4CeJMqlz687HdSlYqiW-JvQA/htmlview?sle=true#

>FAQ
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA

>Mega Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk

>TLs Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/RA8Px5jz

>FL Spreadsheet (last reset: Dec.7)
Add yourself https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScCq3eZgh3zlUtZ3G6Y-zzv1kaXt4GHuWVBRlV__V3Q3rC2Pg/viewform
View list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FSN1kmzso2itgjWzaGfysZ5WhEjiL5EcyjGr4k6DffA

>Materials, experience and event AP simulators
http://fgosimulator.webcrow.jp/

>Alternate Servant/CE DB
http://kazemai.github.io/fgo-vz/servant.html
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Nigger
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>>172957730
WE
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banana when?
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>>172957670
>dude rejoice lmao
kys redditor
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Tamamo is the strongest!
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Sita when?
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>ibarakifag will never have his banana oni doing this to him because she is only NP1
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>>172957785
>kys
kys facebook
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Kiritsugu is for ___
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Thread theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNqndgZnGRs
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>>172957785
Kys instagram.
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>>172957771
Forgot my screenshot from last thread. No more 10 rolls, only 51 tickets. I'll update with results once I finish.
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I got Ibaraki and Herc the other day in the story gacha, which one is better?
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Guan Yu 5* when lads?
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>>172957939
Fucking stop right now or I'll have to use force
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>>172957956
raw power, Ibaraki
skillset, Herk
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>>172957956
The one that is the strongest in the world.
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>>172957956
Herc
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Gender bend *5 humbaba when lads?
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JUST DO IT, MAKE YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE.
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>>172957939
Stop it anon.Don't remind me this game's shitty rates.

I want to believe I'll get more than Robins,Cus and Lu Bus in CCC.
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>>172957939
good luck anon
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>>172958272
What is she doing?
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post what you got with tickets ibarakifag
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>>172958343
Earning her daily bread
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gambatte anon
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>>172958390
She can probably turn giant with her transformation skill.
I have faoth in the banana.
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>>172958398
Eh? I don't understand what you're talking about, could you please explain further?
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>the dau the thread united for a bananafag bullied by the gatcha

So the best can also happen in fgog.
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>>172957901
RAPE
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>>172958619
>Waifu material
Dumb Banana, she's bullying material.
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>>172958619
GO WEST RERUN WHEN
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>>172958625
I wonder if the bananafag will whale for her if his tickets yield nothing?
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>>172957901
Ruining little boys' lives.
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>>172958625
We are all brothers under the iron grip of the gacha gods
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>>172957956
The one that's impossible to kill and shits out damage on a 3 turn cooldown
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>>172958390
I will once I finish rolling and counting. Got a 2030 so far.
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>>172958791
Hopefully soon.
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>>172958828
Absolutely not. I save quartz because I know it's the only way the scam gacha can be beaten. In the case that it can't, spending money will do no good. I have not and never will spend money on any kind of gacha.
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>>172958836
Both of them in their prime, one tries to kill you, the other protects. Who do you choose?
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I'm afraid.
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>>172959159
I guess you don't love Banana enough.
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>>172959159
the bully is real.
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>>172959339
Herk 3: The Herkening
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>>172959339
It's time
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>>172959339
UNRIVALED
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>>172959339
UNRIVALLED
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>>172959412
>>172959459
Nope. NP4 now. I miscounted last thread.
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>>172959578
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>>172959578

It's over anon, face it.
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>>172959578
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>>172959578
Anon, I think it's time to stop and ask yourself if it's really worth it.
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>>172959578
Keep going, you got this in the bag.
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>>172959578

God is dead.

Or possibly a cat.
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>>172959578
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>>172959412
>tfw have a max grailed Herc
>can't roll more copies
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>>172959752
You want him to stop? You think he has the luxury to stop? He's spent too many quartz and tickets. No one stops, it's way too late to stop.
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These fucking rolls are why we need a pity mechanic.

Bananafag shouldn't suffer for nothing, he deserves better than this.
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>>172959578
2nd to last ticket!
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But how would it work? 40 rolls guarantees you a 4-5 star extra servant?
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>>172960437
something something out business
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>>172960598
By all the saints in heaven
Be a banana
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>>172960598
THIS IS FINALLY IT
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>>172960598
It's Nightingale
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>>172960598
nyaa
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>>172960598
plz Jesus give this anon a fucking banana
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>>172960437
There is a pity mechanic but it's absolute garbage to anyone who isn't a Moby Dick tier whale

They said they want to do something special for np5+ SRs instead of BSGs but that either turned into rare prisms or they haven't done anything yet

Not holding my breath here
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>>172957670
Roll monthly tickets for banana oni but got cat instead.

What do?
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>>172960598
Nice Lancelot
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>>172960598
ICHIBAN SUGOI
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>>172960598
Watching this is making me feel bad for having rolled her without even wanting her... I love her now, though...
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cute and cuter
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>>172960936
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>>172960680
Correct. So that's four copies in one day.
>>172960650
>>172960651
>>172960680
>>172960762
>>172960782
>>172960787
Do you believe the gacha to be merciful? Final tallies in a few moments.
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>>172960598
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>>172961029
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>>172961029
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Don't really know why you people are crying for this retard. It's not even a banana rate up. It's just all berserkers.
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>>172961029
Sweet Jesus I'm so sorry my man.
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>>172960995
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>>172961029
Whoops, fucked up. >>172960750 was correct.
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>>172961029
Jeez man, are you ok?
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>>172961029
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>>172961029
Did you seriously not roll any 5*? Fucking DW jews.
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>>172961029
I'm so sorry anon
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>>172961029

>anon is so mindbroken by the gacha he can't even reply properly

Someone put him out of his misery.
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>>172961029
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>>172961029
No, I know firsthand the gacha is completely ruthless if you have even a hit of a desire sensor activated. Wasn't there some nip players spending over 1000 or even 2000 and not getting who they wanted?
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>>172961127
I got mine from a bait gacha Just like this one. He had hopes, and so many, many awful rolls.
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>>172961127
I agree with you but you know, everyone likes an underdog story.
Bananafag, this was the worst time you could have chosen to try and go all out for Ibaraki. There's just way too many gold Bersekers.
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>>172961029
What are the odds?
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>>172960936
Arjuna is for rape.
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>>172961562
Wrong. Arjuna is for being inferior in cuteness to his brother.
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>>172961029
51 tickets:
5x 4* CE
3x 5* CE
2x 4* Servants (Cat x2)

Overall, CE that were LB: First Strike (Taiga), Gentle Affection, Zouken, Divine Banquet, Gandr, Jewel Magic Antumbra, Awakened Determination (Kariya), some 3*. Also got my first 2030 and Demonic Bodhisattva for Arash memes.

Glad to have provided you with a distraction this morning, fellow F/GO players. Remember: never buy quartz, never roll until you're ready. Save everything until the crucial moment, then leave the rest to hope.

Final count of 3, 4, 5* CE and Servants in a moment.
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>>172961409
They are very good because she was competing with Herk, Beowulf, TamaCat, Frankie and Lancelot.
And then there's Vlad, Nightingale AND Cuzilla.
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>>172961409
3% for a 4*, there are 6 4*s so 0.5% to roll banana and 99,5 to not
He had enough quartz and tickets for 219 rolls so 99.5^219
3,336% chance to not roll a banana
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>>172961334
I want this resin figurine. Anyone have its references ?
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>>172961747
As weird as it sounds, I been wanting tamamo cat for a while... And decided to try my luck.
I... I think I Just used your despair as catalyst.
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>>172961956
>3,336% chance to not roll a banana
My maths say 33,36%
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>>172961662
True that, anon.
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>>172961662
>want to fuck both of them
>got spooked by both of them
Feelsgoodman
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>>172962196
Reread the spoiler.
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I forgot when I got my ibaraki I think in one of those gareunteed 5 berserker gacha we had. That was a thing right? The payed one? Anyway I remember being completely apathetic about her during that boss event she had, but she has somehow grown on me to the point where I really love banana Loli. I already had arguably better zerkers but I grailed her to 90 anyway. Those fucking claws for her skills are hell though. All my sympathy banana man, may you someday bag your ibaraki
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>>172962162
Youre right, my bad
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>use 5 tickets
>ibaraki
>don't even want her

I wish there's a gift function.
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are there clean versions of the new Riyo cards available anywhere?
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>>172962345
Yeah. He is. I'm just too lazy to post a decent quality pic of Karna lol
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>roll the Berserker gacha
>get a long loading screen so I know i'm getting something new
>excited wonder what Berserker i'm going to be getting that I didn't have
>it's just the shitty 3* Mask CE that I hadn't rolled yet

This is always the worst feeling when something like this happens.
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>>172961747
I'm sorry for your loss but I just cant stop laughing
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>>172962618
Reddit, we could have them but some retarded piece of shit ruined it
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>>172958791
I like sanzang and all but even I admit that her event was absolute shit
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Irisviel is the cutest.
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Why does Karna suck so bad?
All these buffs and he just barely clears
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/fgog/ it is time to GENERATE YOUR OC CHARACTERS

https://mattya.github.io/chainer-DCGAN/

with the miracle of neural networks, you can generate beautiful 2d girls just by providing parameters!

note: website is getting hit hard but once it loads you can generate as much as you want
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>>172963309
Impossible, Illya is cuter.
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>I need NP4 to make helena even hit 2/3 times that of a regular AoE NP
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>gated by mats on every single skill I was raising
That's a new one. Why does Herk need hearts so early? His skill progression is completely backwards. At this rate I'll get to bond 10 before I can max Bravery.
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>>172963309
Impossible, her son is cuter.
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>>172963309
I wish I were a homunculus milf.
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>>172963531
>>172963438
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>>172963370
Fuck off
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Just rolled Retard Cat is she good?
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>>172963331
At least the sacred scroll upped him from 6.0 to 6.5. He's officially acknowledged as Bryn tier.
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>>172963718
She can farm hands I guess
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I was feeling like tomorrow would finally be the day I get my Mo-san, but watching that Ibarakifag get fucked gave me a reality check. Thanks for putting my expectations back in order so I won't be too disappointed when she eludes me again.
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Decided to throw a 10 roll on my alt account. Who could it be?
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>>172963524
>the trials of maxing Herc
I remember like it was yesterday
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>>172963718
Meme anon finished the game with her.
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>>172963309
Why didn't Kirei rape Iri?
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>>172963784
Not the Servant you want.
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>>172963784

SEKAI
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>>172963865
because he's gay
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>Until the furthest end, surpass your limit. Arondight Overload!
>Hey villain, have you ever heard these words? Go beyond! Plus Ultra!
So Lancelot is not only Goku but also All Might. Truly UNRIVAIIED.
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>>172963784
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>>172963865
He raped Gilgamesh the night before and was kind of tired.
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>>172963865
Priests rape little boys, not grown women.
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>>172963893
>>172963932
>>172963993
It was Beo and I rolled Retard Cat immediately after that. I'm convinced this account can't roll 5*.
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Hi, I'm trying to find this complete comic for a friend, could you help?
Thank you :D

Maybe this help more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwjqDNjDA1c
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>>172963865

>priest
>going after an old hag

Come on, son. This is Priests Behaviour 101.
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>>172964179
thas a nice cat
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>>172963980
>Until the furthest end
>Go beyond!

Nice try. Lancelot acknowledges a limit beyond his limit, All Might doesn't.
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What with all the Tamamocat rolling today? Secret rate up?
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>>172963980
>Lancelot is a man babbied by outside forces
really activates the almonds
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>>172963285

I've been looking but can only find a gallery of screenshots with the card frames.

Also browsing r/grandorder is giving me a rash
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My last 4 or 5 servants was 5*, I almost forgot that 4* exists...
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>>172963743
And what of his brother?
He is so useless. Not even usable for farming.
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What are your favorite compositions in Fate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkgjc9HdTZ0
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>>172964289
>old hag
Dude, she's 9 years old.
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>>172963331
His NP got so fucked over it's not even funny. The fact that they left it with a low modifier and haven't bumped it up yet is even worse. His first and third skills are pretty good, but his second skill was made an inferior Mana Burst when it should by all rights be a better version. He's great at critting and he's got high stats, but they seriously fucked over his kit and he needs an interlude.
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>>172963331
You're clearly not using him right, I can clear with only self buffs with mine.
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>>172961747
>>172962060
>>172962518
>>172962942
>>172963781
I'm not too broken up about not getting a duplicate of her. I already have her at NP1, so it's alright. She isn't even my true waifu. I've come to expect nothing from the gacha; this is probably just payback for getting Gorgon in 7 tickets during Babylon gacha.

Stats for nerds:
211 rolls
3* CE: 60 (28.4%)
3* Servant: 98 (46.4%)
4* CE: 34 (16.1%)
5* CE: 12 (5.7%)
4* Servant: 7 (3.3%)
5* Servant: 0

Below average 3* CE, with above average 4* and 5* CE. Not as bad as it could have been.
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>>172963865
Why would he? Kirei was loyal to his wife until the very end.
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>>172964565
>NP is EX meaning it should be ST
>GO mats confirm its got 1 person as its maximum amount of targets
>is still AOE
>will never change from AOE because that would mean refunding
>all because Scathach's AOE NP got turned into an ST NP

I fucking hate it.
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>>172963331
Just forget his NP exists.
You can get some mileage with crits but that's it. You can clear that faster by just karna crit+some other dude+karna crit than using NP
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>>>/a/155396110
Can /fgog/ think of one?
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>>172964745
>>NP is EX meaning it should be ST
the fuck is this bullshit
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>>172963980
>always refusing to take lives
>saves even his enemies
>go past your limits speech
>tfw Lancelot is the real MC of Fate
Really makes you think
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>>172964745
It makes me sad every time I think about it. They made what is one of if not the strongest single target NPs in the series and turned it into a weak AoE NP with an anti-divine effect that has nothing to do with how Vasavi actually works.
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>>172963785
I'll reach bond 10 in less than a month with natural AP at this rate, and Herk single-handedly destroyed my already dwindling stock of proofs and cores. But he earned it, having killed Goetia at sub-50 against my expectations. Also, slot 5 or 6?
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>>172964179
and there goes my last 30 quartz on my alt. Spent probably 300 quartz total on this and haven't gotten a single 5* but i'm showered in 4*s.
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>>172964867
Mind of Steel, the true end to HF
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>>172964898
>brutally killed unarmed knights who were his comrades, one of whom was a girl who idolized him
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>>172964948
>the strongest single target NPs in the series
Sorry Karnacuck but that's Buddha's. Your faggot manlet can't even handle Atalanta.
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>>172964745
It's got a 1,000 people maximum in Extra.
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>>172964867
Several. That fight was actually pretty dumb in general. If you'd like an example of a better scene, Shirou vs. Kirei in Heaven's Feel was far superior. Lancer vs. Archer (both times) was better, Kojirou vs. Saber was better, Sakura eating Gil was better, Rin vs. Sakura was better, and there are several more. Those are just from the original VN.
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Should I roll for Cu Alter if I have literally every other Berkserker?
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>>172959578
Nice Darius collection.
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Oh hey Violet died.
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>>172965095
>still pushing le epic meme when both Gareth and Zero Consultation Room are proof of the contrary
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>>172965137
I forgot about Buddha's, but Vasavi is still way up there. The rest of your post was uncalled for.

>>172965182
Extra's Vasavi was also a fake. He never used the real one. GO mats call it ST, which means that GO should have the ST one.
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>>172964874
>the fuck is this bullshit
Whenever Vasavi is A++ (CCC, Extella) it's Anti-God, Anti-Army. Whenever it's EX (Apoc, GO) it's Anti-God with a maximum amount of targets of 1. That's what I meant, I just phrased it badly.

>>172965182
Where it's A++. In GO, it's always been EX, which has always been single target.

>>172964948
The fact that it's got an anti-Divine modifier instead of something like a def down with a buster or attack up is another thing that really fucking annoys me, because I've seen people assume that Vasavi actually gets bonuses against Divinity in lore because of what happens in GO.
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>>172965201
The fights outside of the original series (FSN, FHA, FZ) are trash.
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>>172964948
FGO Karna is using the shitty version that was used on Gawain.
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>>172965137
>Your faggot manlet can't even handle Atalanta.
I know this is just you memeing because she was confirmed to be able to wound Karna if she put her all into the shot, but do I need to remind you of volume 3 where Karna casually caught one of her arrows without any trouble in the slightest?
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>>172965413
Not according to his profile. His profile says he should be using the EX true version. The animations point to it being the fake however. Its depiction is very inconsistent in GO because they say it should be one thing and then show it being the other.
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>>172965232
Have you ever been so angry it turned your creamy tan into a charcoal black?
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>>172965607
>did you want it to hurt me tristan?
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>>172965607
What is Ikemeru up to now?
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>>172965397
Apo and SF have had some good fights. Hell, the only thing Apo is good for is the fights. Siegfried vs. Karna, Achilles vs. Chiron, Amakusa bullying Franky, Vlad vs. everyone, and a few others were pretty good. Gil vs. Enkidu, Gil vs. Alcides, and most of Zealot in SF have been good so far.
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> rolled once on the gacha simulator months ago
> got the 5* I want the most and two 4* I want
> haven't rolled a single real gold servant since

Be warned anons, that simulator will devour your luck and crush your dreams.
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>>172965374
It's single target because it will wipe out anything that is a God or below.
>"The god killing spear [O Sun, Abide by Death]. Its power is surely sufficient to kill gods. Therefore Heroes are a matter of course; Magical Beasts, Phantasmal Beasts, Divine Beasts, Shields, Fortresses, Bounded Fields, every single existence is equally meaningless."
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>>172965756
My problem with vampire Vlad against everyone is that no one used their NPs against him, which likely would've cut that fight short.
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Why is he so indecent?
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>>172965514
Bitch aint even using fucking NP, Kavacha is a fucking meme. Her full powered shots are stated to be only A rank trash. If he gets wounded by Atalanta then even Fergus can nuke him.

>Karna casually caught one of her arrows
Yeah a shitty charged arrow
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>>172964996
>>172964996
Jesus fucking Christ I do my free FP roll before I get off my alt and I get manjew. I have dumped 1.5 mil FP on my main and still haven't rolled him. What the fuck.
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>>172965262
What? The fight isn't over yet.
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>>172965825
Is there any other servant in the game whose in game art is worse than every piece of fan art available like Nightingale?
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>>172965887
Check the Max Targets in the materials. It's 1.

>>172965947
>Yeah a shitty charged arrow
The exact same kind of arrow she was using on Jeanne, in fact.
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>>172965756
Lancelot vs Gilgameme are still the best ones.
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>>172965756
>Siegfried vs Karna
>good
It was a slapfight where neither was hurting the other much and Karna would've won for sure.
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>>172965912
She is a fools that have no care for social convention.

We'll soon see how the niece turned out.
It'll be nice to see her interract with someone she knew.

I'm a sucker for servant interractions.
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>>172966087
Gil vs Lancelot is literally the most boring fight ever depicted
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>>172966087
Emiya vs Kotomine is still the best one
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>>172966080
>source: my ass
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>>172965897
I think they were all inside the HGoB, and I don't think any of them have suitable single target NPs for indoor use. Would have just killed everybody but Karna who could tank it.

>>172966080
Yes, one god. That firepower is enough to slay anything below that, including fortresses, which means it's far above Anti-Fortress in pure output.
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>>172966109
That doesn't change the fact that it was a great way to set the stage for the Grail War at the time, and that it was a spectacle that will be even better in anime form.
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>>172966087
I won't deny that Gil vs. Lancelot was actually a good fight, but I wouldn't call it the best.

>>172966109
I thought that it was great because I could imagine the spectacle of them going back and forth, constantly smacking each other with full force blows that would kill any other person.
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>>172965912
Why is she such wasted potential
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>>172966285
meme character
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Dont care but i throw 4 tickets for berserk cu be fine if i get chicken since i don't have her either.
>first ticket is np3 lance
>second ticket is 5* ce
>third ticket is lu bu trash
>fourth ticket is 5* ce
Good rolls but u still feel jipped
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>>172966034

Bobmiya looks like he might be well on the way.

On the other hand he's probably going to spawn some truly EDGY fan art which will balance it out.
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>>172966087
Crazy Train and Crazy Train Part II are better
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>>172966264
lol if you think it won't be quick "fight" (aka 99% talking) with DEEN-tier animation
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>>172966238
>Yes, one god. That firepower is enough to slay anything below that, including fortresses, which means it's far above Anti-Fortress in pure output.
I know that, I'm just pointing out that it's only meant to target one thing. The fact that it can output enough power to destroy anything up to and including a god doesn't really seem of that much consequence to me when talking about its range of targets.
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>>172966238
At that point it's probably worth it considering that if Vlad got to the Grail, it was game over anyway. If things have gone that far, I think it's worth a shot even if there's a chance that it kills nearly everyone.
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>>172964523
Both Kawai's Stay Night and Kajiura's Zero make my dick so fucking hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKCCs9DNEJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n04EQ2IKers

Also Fusakawa's Emiya is the catchiest yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ErwgLxBNL0
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>>172966185
Too bad everyome disagrees with you and their fights are still considered one of the best if not the best in Fate. Gotta be a contrarian at all times huh?

>>172966193
>2 dying faggots
Might as well just watch Undercarder vs Boreman Reigns
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>>172965756
>Siegfried vs. Karna,Amakusa bullying Franky, Vlad vs. everyone,

All of these are boring.Especially the first and second
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>>172966238
>which means it's far above Anti-Fortress in pure output
Then again there's only 5 anti-fortress NP's total ever shown, and one of them is Excalibur which has a secret setting for emergency purposes which probably does outperform Vasavi
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>>172966224
Can you source that it wasn't the same? In fact, just to prove that you've read it, can you tell me what Atalanta did after firing that arrow at Jeanne? And what exactly Achilles and Chiron were doing at the time?
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>>172966034
Well almost every character were better draw by fan artists.
But Nightingal is unforgivable.
Personally, I find Ozzy artist really lazy even if the art is good enough.
Koyama too.
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>>172966365
Christ, I forgot about Emiya Alter for a minute there. His in game art is just so bad. It's not even really the design. The design only needed a few adjustments to work, but his art is crap.

>>172966402
Honestly, I can see it being one of the better animated fights since it happens early on and it's one of the first fights that will have a chance at grabbing the audience's attention.
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>>172966365
I've seen him paired with Cu Alter by a few artists. A lot of that stuff has looked pretty okay. Boysu rabu is strong.
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>>172966265
>constantly smacking each other with full force blows that would kill any other person
>didn't kill Gawain
kek
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>>172966265
I feel like the Achilles vs Chiron fights have the potential to be either really good or really boring when they get animated. I don't think there'll be an in-between with them.
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>>172966484
Go back to /asp/
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>>172966532
I thought they were great because I could imagine how they would look in motion. I love high speed fights with two people giving it their all like Karna vs Siegfried. Especially when it's just two guys slapping each other instead of shooting beams.

>>172966583
Yeah, Ozzy's is technically nice, but it's lazy.

>>172966693
He only struck Gawain's hand and it was left completely fucked. Gawain himself said a solid hit would've killed him.
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>>172966478
What about the original game soundtrack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYY6IQv37r4
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>>172966582
>Can you source that it wasn't the same?
>wanting me to prove a negative because he can't back up his bullshit
How about you prove to me Santa Claus doesn't exist.
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>>172966583
Nakahara does seem pretty lazy, that's true. Or maybe just too comfortable with playing it safe. I can't say I dislike his work, though.
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>>172966484
>secondaries agree this overhyped fight is good because it caters to their standards of ''cool''
really gets the noggin joggin
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>>172966034
Cleo.
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>>172966693
Gawain was focusing on not getting hit. Karna and Siegfried didn't have to bother that much with defense.

>>172966775
From what was just translated, where Achilles fucking crushes one of Chiron's arrows in his teeth because Chiron maneuvered him into a position where it was going to hit his head, I'm sure it'll be great.

>>172966832
So you haven't read it then, got it.
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>>172966775
Same. Straight up duels can be some of the best fights, but they need to be well animated and fully thought out to actually look impressive.

>>172966484
Not him, but Shirou vs. Kirei is great because it's not just about two (mostly) humans giving everything they have in a fist fight to the death, it's about a clash of ideals as both of their clocks are ticking. They won't get another chance to prove themselves.
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>>172966810
>he's an antibeamfag
removing beams got us Gundam IBO, aka a shitshow
removing beams has never made anything better in all the history of mankind
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>have no 4* berserker
do I roll the bait gacha?

I resisted so far but I'd really like a berserker. I only have 75 quartz, though, and if I do roll I'd really prefer it to be tomorrow for a chance at Mordred. I want her more than any of these berserkers but there's still that unpleasant feeling of rolling for a class I already have a 5* in when I need so much else.

I'm stuck.
What do I do?
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>>172966810
Siegfried vs Karna was literally just them taking scratch damage all day because noone was bothering to dodge/parry because of their defence NPs.

I have no idea why some of you people overrate it so much
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For the love of fucking god don't get into another Karna/Gawain argument. Don't involve Karna at all, in fact. Just keep to the regular discussion that was happening a couple minutes ago.
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>>172966905
That's it.
You can't really blame him because it's welldone, but at the same time he don't try to go all out with his work.
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>>172967059
Altera is a better girl and unit than Mo anyway so roll Berserker.
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>>172966956
>So you haven't read it
I did, you haven't. If I didn't I wouldn't have known about Karna's shameful display. Now prove your bullshit or accept you are wrong.
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>>172966615
>NiggerMIYA was drawn by the artist of the Tsukihime manga, who made everything he drew baller as fuck
>it's fucking atrocious
what fucking nightmare realm have I been sent to

>>172966820
The game OST fills me with nostalgia but I can probably find an enhanced version of all the memorable tracks in some other place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbY63Peyiz4
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>>172966583
>Personally, I find Ozzy artist really lazy even if the art is good enough.

Nakahara art outside the Servant cards is 100000xtimes better. Top picture is his. Their CEs also look great.
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>>172967186
If you've read it, tell me what Atalanta, Chiron, and Achilles were doing right after she fired the first arrow at Jeanne.
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>>172967097
>asking shitposters not to shitpost
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>>172967047
I'm not against beams, I just don't want them to be used as a crutch. Spamming beams cheapens them and takes away from the idea that NPs, especially beams, are meant to be absolute trump cards that you save until the last moment.

>>172967062
It's not about how much damage was done, it's about the motion and action of the scene itself. A constant flurry of blows that almost gets tough to follow with the eyes are the kind of things I love in a fight.
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>T-Those adaptations will never be as good as the VN!
>Read the source material for the superior experience! P-Please?

Will Apocrypha suffer the same fate?
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>>172966949
no
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>>172967269
After you prove it was the same used against Karna. I asked first.
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>>172967195
At least Tamiya's sprite looks good, and the fanart is really saving him in my eyes.

Where do I farm those spinal fluid thingies, I need 30 of them for him
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>>172967097
As long as it doesn't devolve into powerlevel shitposting, it's fine. This is about fights that are fun to watch, and Karna's few fights are up for debate. That includes Gawain's fight with him as well.
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>>172967328
Will Apo be the first Fate entry where you're better off watching the anime than reading the source?
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>>172967328
No because Apocrypha's source material isn't any good, either.
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>>172967174
Altera is cute and I am glad I rolled her due to a promise I made, but Mordred is the reason I started playing, so Altera can't really compete with her. She's doing her own thing.
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>>172967040
>humans giving everything they have
>as both of their clocks are ticking.
>They won't get another chance to prove themselves.
So literally just Undercarder vs Boreman Reigns?
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>>172967446
You know exactly who it is that they're replying to, it's going to devolve into shitposting.
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>>172966949
Also Dantes
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>>172967328
I hope not, Apo is not generally a good read and is only good for the fights, which will look better animated (hopefully). If the anime does a good enough job, I'd recommend it over reading the LN.
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>>172967481
Are the books that bad?
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>>172967328
No, Apocrypha will be vastly improved with the anime.
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>>172967605
The prose is generally fine, I guess. Maybe that anon's thinking they'll change and/or condense the story?
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>>172967328

It can't get worse than the source material, anon.
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>>172967328
UBW and Zero were quite good overall. Every text to anime adaptation will miss some stuff, but they hit most of the marks. It's more of a case if you're a "wait for the movie person" or a "need every single tiny detail of info person."
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>>172967605
They are awful. The only good thing about Apo is how the fights will look when animated.
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>>172967642
Let's not be hasty there. For all we know, they could spend half the season on Sieg and Jeanne dating.
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>>172967537
That doesn't make it a bad fight.

>>172967605
They're not that bad, but the plot ends up focusing on the weakest characters and the ends up warping around Sieg to insure he wins, even at the cost of characterization of other, more interesting characters. Most of the fights are good, but the way the story was handed was a slog to read through at times.
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>>172967358
The thing is, Karna wasn't involved beyond that one mention. Karna doesn't appear in volume 4 chapter 4 at all. He has no shameful display in it. I legitimately do not understand what you're talking about.
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>>172967481
I think so. UBW lost more in the adaptation than it gained and Zero was kind of an even trade off between adaptation and original.
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>>172967801
The fact that Atalanta can handle Karna by herself is bad enough display.
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>>172967505
That's what people said about UBW.
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>>172966575
Excalibur at its maximum output(seals removed) will probably only be equal to vasavi artoriafag.
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>>172967973
>probably
Karnacucks are the low key the worst fanbase out there
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>>172967840
>Zero

They cut out Kotomine crying. How dare they.
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Post cute snakes
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>>172967923
>A direct hit from that would wound Lancer of Red, who boasted the greatest physical defense in the Greater Holy Grail War.
>A direct hit from that would wound Lancer of Red

What part of that implies that she can handle him all by herself? She can wound Siegfried and Herc if she got a direct hit in too, can she handle them easily? Imagine what it'd do to someone who wasn't wearing armor that reduced the damage taken from hits like KnK or AoF. Also, he's caught her arrows before without any kind of stress, and when it comes to speed he's faster than her when Prana Bursting.

>>172967973
Don't falseflag.
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It is finally Berserker Rate up and now I can try rerolling for Florence Nightingale. Let's hope something nice happens and I can get Tamamo Cat at the same time.
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>>172967840
>UBW lost more in the adaptation than it gained
That will happen with any book, VN or even LN that is adapted, it is simply because the pacing is completely different between mediums.
Apo will also end up losing some shit.
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>>172968191
You first.
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>>172968095
They're not all bad, just a few stinkers like with every Xfag. Hercfags, Gilfags, Lancelotfags, etc. all have a very vocal minority within them as well.
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>bond gauge looks full
>still needs 40k
This is unnerving
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So what's the strongest Alter Ego?
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It's happening again. My favorite is getting shitposted because someone can't help but reply to Melvin. I just want it to stop.
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>>172968229
>Apo will also end up losing some shit.
The thing is no one cares about that shit on Apo, on the best of the cases they could even cut down Sieg and company a bit to give more space to other participants.
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>>172967321
>A constant flurry of blows that almost gets tough to follow with the eyes

That's literally every melee Servant fight ever
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>>172968421
me
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>>172967524
If you want her then go for her, but also remember Mo is a pretty common spook for people so she could spook you in the future.
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>>172968421
me
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I want Gawain to pat me on the head and treat me like his imouto-chan.
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Will MHXA get an interlude from meiji ishin to replace her retarded instinct C with something cool or will she be doomed to 4.5 status once a less shitty char comes out?
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>>172968457
In this case it's more impressive because they fight for hours and end up utterly shredding the entire surrounding area just from the aftershocks of their attacks.
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>>172968457
And I love melee servant fights. The way Lancer vs. Emiya and Saber vs. Lancer were handled in the UBW anime were pure fight porn for me. Siegfried vs. Karna was pretty much that but longer and cranked up to 11.
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>>172967145
I think it has something to do with his coloring. I'm not an artist myself, so it's not like I can do more than speculate here, but this is what I think.

One thing I see a lot of his designs have in common are the big, simple spaces. If you look at how the characters dress, I think you will be able to see what I mean. There's not a lot of detail on the fabrics themselves and each article of clothing has typically has a uniform coloring. I'm not saying they have to look like Moriarty, Quetzalcoatl, Merlin, or anything such. It's just a thing I picked up on, about Nakahara's designs. The designs aren't very busy and they have large, uniformly colored surfaces. It should make for quick and easy coloring. In that sense they're very functional designs.

I don't know where I was going with this, but I think I was trying to say that I think I can see how Nakahara's designs are influenced by the way he works.
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>>172968560
>end up utterly shredding the entire surrounding area just from the aftershocks of their attacks
You mean like what literally happened in FSN too?
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>>172968421
Melt or Protea since they can gain unlimited EXP.
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>>172968424
Join the club, bucko.

>>172968421
Him >>172968465
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>>172968227
Godspeed, anon.
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>>172968424
>my fave canonically beats lancelot lorewise
hehe
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>>172968191
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>>172968681
I don't remember it being this extreme in FSN.
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>>172967328
Apoc's source material is a fucking slog filled with superfluous information and massive plotholes and asspulls on top of asspulls.

Read the F/Zero novels because the anime just prioritizes fights over the actual character development and important background moments.
Read UBW because the anime just prioritizes fights over the actual character development and important background moments.
Don't read Apoc because it doesn't HAVE any actual character development or important background moments. There's nothing to fuck up.
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>>172968095
Vasavi is implied to be able to kill the white bunny alien in extella which excalibur unsealed can do as well. They are equal.
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>>172968681
Similar, but it was on a smaller scale in FSN. As I said, Apo cranks it up to 11 with Siegfried versus Karna. It's already one of my favorites types of fights, and this is just a larger version of it.
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>>172968221
>What part of that implies that she can handle him all by herself?
By using many of those attacks, idiot
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>>172968598
No it was cranked down,since melee Servants usually don't stand still and just wack eachother.

Thank god,95% was skipped in the LN,the anime'll probably do that too.
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>>172968832
That means that they're both capable of something, not that they're equal. I'm a massive Karnafag but you shouldn't say shit like that, it's obvious that Unsealed Excalibur > anything else.
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>>172968221
You don't understand, anon. If he's bleeding a little while standing over her shattered corpse, she's the victor!
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I can't wait to see how A-1 will fuck up Apo so bad that people recommend reading the LN.
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>>172968826
>because the anime just prioritizes fights
Can't wait for the SF adaptation
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>>172968902
I would probably watch the full length of the fight (meaning the however many hours of it there were) if it was animated well enough. You seem to fundamentally misunderstand what I like about the fight. It's a big slap fight and I love it how much destruction it brings to the landscape around them.
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>>172968875
Okay, how is she going to get all those direct hits? Because, you know, he's faster when Bursting, can fly, and has an advantage over her because he has a homing eyelaser that she can't run from or dodge, and no way of blocking it like Gawain did.
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>>172968941
When was that implied?
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>>172968832
The Sefar in Mooncell isn't really full power yet. Excalibur deals a kill shot to a fully stage 7 Sefar.
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>>172968221
>he's caught her arrows before
Yeah the ones that weren't fully charged.
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>>172969051
Well,one man's trash is another's treasure,I guess
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>>172968902
Most of the melee fights in the UBW anime consisted of standing around swinging at each other along with a dodge every now and then. The one in Apo was on a larger scale because of this >>172968817
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>>172968832
>Bootleg bunny in Mooncell is the same as almost Amaterasu levels bunny on Earth
no
Even then Vasavi is only implied to do it, Excalibur actually did it on something much stronger.
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>>172969089
That Vasavi can kill Sefar? XSEED fucked up the translation, but when you fight Karna as Altera, Gilgamesh chips in to warn her that Vasavi is a Divine Construct and as such it'll definitely work on her or something along those lines. I think BL said that the implication is Sefar, rather than just Altera, but I can't remember exactly.
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>>172968941
>Unsealed Excalibur > anything else.
Roman confirmed Excalibur couldn't stop Goetia. Ozymandias compares Excalibur and Stella beam together (even if Excalibur isn't fully unleased, it has Stella full power which could match fucking Rhon) as weaker than Moses' beam.

Whatever God fed to his fuccbois, it's strong.
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>>172968191
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>>172969218
I thought the bunny made Fox Wank run to her cave.
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>>172969178
You know what they say. Different strokes and all that. I'm a huge fag for these kinds of fights.
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>>172969205
Were the UBW fights that bad?
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>>172969278
To amend my statement, Unsealed Excalibur > Everything but Beasts.
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>>172969271
Sefar isn't even on level of the Beasts, anon. Stop using it as something relevant when Nasu uses the Beasts as the ultimate boss type for Fate work.
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>>172969392
Shirou vs Gilgamesh was just utter shit.
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>>172969205
I'm not talking about the anime,but the source material.

Since the fight scene in paricular hasn't even been animated yet.
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>>172969024
>At any rate, as they are not ideologically opposed, there are no ill feelings between them.
I guess he does have a certain degree of esteem for her since he went out of his way to save her loli incarnation.
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>>172969392
No, I don't mean that as an insult. I mean that the fights I was referring to were slap fights with some extra dodges because they can't fight like Karna and Siegfried can (tanking hits and continuing forward). Lancer vs. Emiya (1&2), Lancer vs. Saber, and Herc vs. Saber looked really nice.
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>>172969278
Moses fucking when?
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>>172969429
I'm not that same guy, this is me >>172968941

I'm telling him to stop shitposting as if Vasavi = Unsealed Excalibur. All I wanted to do with that last post is clarify where it's said that Vasavi would work on Sefar, not put any greater meaning on it being able to work on Sefar.
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>>172969453
Why?
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Kek gilfags post your feels when Ea the almighty of Nps has BTFO two earth mothers one being a beast.
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Nero is perfect.
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>>172969085
If she could hit LoD Vlad she can hit the trash that is Karna.
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>>172969607
The crux of the fight is that Shirou never gives Gilgamesh a moment to fight back. In the anime, this is presented as him teleporting all over the place at a random distance to Gilgamesh, shouting some random shit, and then lopping his arm off.
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>>172969453
>Shirou barely keeps up with Gil's sword spam without visible cues that his body's fucking up/shutting down from the attempt.
>He doesn't do his ten count aloud and pulls out Rho Aias without taking visible damage while chanting
>He yells the last of the incantation (This is actually incredibly important to Shirou's character and magecraft basics)
>He exchanges dialogue with Gilgamesh several times while exchanging sword-fire. At one point, he deliberately stops and expounds the weaknesses of UBW to Gil while crossing swords--in a moment where Gil, no matter his lack of combat prowress, should have been easily able to deal with Shirou in a variety of ways.
>Angra Mainyu doesn't immediately begin to swallow Gil when Saber breaks Shirou's RM (Excalibur was the reason the bubble didn't hold, so to speak), instead, an extended scene plays out that makes Shirou look like an incompetent for not finishing Gil off and infers both Angry Manjew and Archer are there to save his shortcoming.
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I'm pretty sure DW fucked up and only Tamamo Cat got a rate up today
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>>172969668
Not him, but Vlad wasn't covered in flames (Bryn with a similar rank could disintegrate Arash's arrows in Fragments) and your post makes it obvious that you're already biased against Karna anyway. If he continues to argue against you then it's just for argument's sake at this point.
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>>172968191
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>>172969278
I recall that he just thought their light was similarly radiant.
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>>172969016
inb4 half the fights happen off-screen because they didn't give the studio a good enough budget
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>>172969826
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>>172969271
>all needed to handle Sefar is a Divine Construct
Lancelot can handle Sefar by himself.
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>>172968191
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>>172969957
Off screen fights are the greatest in Fate.
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>>172970006
>not even an anti-fortress NP
lol
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Powerlevel shitposting is the best. Admit it noobs,we all love it.
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>>172969278
Well too bad YHVH is a bitch and his shitters still can't harm Arondight
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>>172969392
-Shirou's heart wasn't thorned when killed by Lancer
-Gae Bolg is now a jagged electric tentacle
-Herk's can be cut by below B-rank
-Herk tanked Archer's magic arrow with no effort. In the game he had to fucking swing as hard as he could to keep from dying.
-Saber never wounded or took one of Herk's lives. Herk was only ever supposed to react to Archer's final attack there, which is why Illya even bothered to say that Archer interests her.
-Saber capable of evading perfect Tsubame Gaeshi
-Archer was supposed to take the shot for Shirou, representing that he was willing to leave it to him
-Rin uses gandr instead of a gem
-Cut Gil not attacking Rin because losing Saber meant losing a pleasure he wanted to thoroughly savor. Gil decides to kill Rin, then he decides not to, then he decides to pick up where left off with Saber, then he just leaves
-Shirou jump 50 feet in the air and deflect all the swords by hand
-Angra Mainyu doesn't immediately begin to swallow Gil when Saber breaks Shirou's RM (Excalibur was the reason the bubble didn't hold, so to speak), instead, an extended scene plays out that makes Shirou look like an incompetent for not finishing Gil off and infers both Angra Mainyu and Archer are there to save his shortcoming
-Archer comes back after being impaled by several spears, after being out of mana and having cast UBW twice
-Final ep was supposed to demonstrate that Shirou was going to be different from Archer since he is supposed to metaphorically take more steps than Archer did. And then what ended up in the episode almost implies the direct opposite.
-michael bay shaky cam, excessive usage of special effects, rapid cuts with minimal animation, and that weird Naruto like exaggeration of movement
-Gil not actually doing anything while in UBW except matching swords against the fella who's all about swords is plot-induced stupidity.
-Cut Nasu's epilogue and promised to include the full version in the BD, only to give you the good end instead.
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>>172970006
>strongest attack is a technique and not just raw power
He's fucked.
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>>172969668
She could only hit Vlad because Achilles, Jeanne, and Karna were keeping him busy in melee, and because Karna's fire was preventing him from turning into mist and bypassing them. Also, Achilles and Karna were still faster than LoD Vlad.

>Generally speaking, there was no one among these Servants present who could
beat him in terms of speed. It was the same even if he wasn’t mounted on his
chariot. There was no one, either before or after his death, who had beaten the
great hero Achilles of the Trojan War in speed.

>Though he was one step slower than Rider, Lancer of Red was also quick‐witted
and agile. He smashed all the stakes that had been shooting at him since earlier.

>Even when he turned into mist, the flames from Lancer of Red’s [Prana Burst] didn’t
give him the leisure to run away.
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So news tomorrow right?
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>>172970281
It's today.
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>>172970006
It needs to be pure force without any technique behind it, and Lancelot's best attack is a special technique built on skill. He's even more fucked than normal.
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>>172970148
Can Kuzuki with Caster's magical enhancements beat Gilgamesh, Lancer and Kotomine? Saber, the strongest Servant, couldn't compete with their combo.
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>>172968826
I never understood this meme.

My mind is hazy because I read Fate/zero in 2010 but I have to struggle to remember anything of consequence being left from anime. Everyone threw a shitfit in ep 24 when UNRIVALED's last words were skipped but they were just moved futher down.

If anything they padded things like Rin's episode.

The only thing that I can remember being skipped is Ryuunosuke being impressed by Gille's human skin covered book, saying he tried to make a lamp once and failed. When Giles is stalking Seiba Uryuu makes a pipe organ out of a girl's intenstines but Giles gets mad at Saber and crushes her.
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>>172970176
Sad that Lancelot'son was the true unrivaled and a Godfag right ?
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>>172970397
Gil already BTFO Kuzuki in Fate
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>>172970324
When?
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>>172970060
Memegamesh said Divine Construct not Anti trash.
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>>172970397
Kuzuki's style is built around confusing the fuck out of you and killing you before you become accustomed to it. If he could get up close to unarmored Gil it might be possible, Cu would survive because of BC and kill him easily, and I'm pretty sure he'd beat Kotomine.
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>>172970495
Mashu actually claims to be Buddhist, doesn't she?
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>>172970324
Shit I'll be busy.
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>>172970446
>Everyone threw a shitfit in ep 24 when UNRIVALED's last words were skipped but they were just moved futher down.

The flashbacks for Berserker and Gilgamesh.
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>>172970630
On the usual time.
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>>172970219
>Shirou's heart wasn't thorned when killed by Lancer
Cu just stabbed him in the heart regularly, so no thorns
>Herk tanked Archer's magic arrow with no effort. In the game he had to fucking swing as hard as he could to keep from dying.
He died because he was too tired to dodge after just being killed
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>>172970630
12 hours
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>implying there's going to be news
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>>172970737
So 5 mins?
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>>172970630
5 minutes
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>>172970654
And Zughe is british I know.>>172970654
>>172970678
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>>172970648
>Kuzuki's style is built around confusing the fuck out of you and killing you before you become accustomed to it.
I don't think this will ever not sound stupid.
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>>172970223
>>172970393
Lancelot has a beam too, read Overload description
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>>172970630
11.9 hours
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>>172970850
I wonder how did I screw this much.
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Please help me understand Heroic Spirit's Hidden Attributes, especially the Star category, which is a hope for all mankind
What does it mean, and how would you understand who fits the criteria?
And what do these categories effect?
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>>172970943
Why? It's the martial arts equivalent of "hey, look over there" and then stabbing you. Works like a charm.
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>>172970943
I dunno, it sounds alright to me. Create a style that uses confusing and misleading movements so that people who are already well trained can't anticipate it properly, and then just don't let up until they're dead while they're too confused to react.
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>>172970943
Basically drunken fist, except wobbly snake arms
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>>172970495
God fear the Knight of Owner.
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>>172970956
Why would he use a weaker attack on something so strong? It's a wave-type beam rather than a direct one, so Overload is his best shot at killing Sefar as far as he knows.
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>>172971039
>who fits the criteria
Great people in history (logical), two Artorias as a joke and Scat for whatever fucking reason.
There's no logic behind it
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>>172971050
I don't think that works very well if you're moving in slow motion.
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>>172970256
>Achilles and Karna were still faster than LoD Vlad.
LoD Vlad is stated to be teleport tier and literally speedblitzed Achilles.
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>>172970956
It's an anti-army beam. It's weaker by default than anti-fortress, which needs to go super unlocked mode in Excalibur's case to kill her, and Vasavi can pack a punch of that power by default.
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>>172971223
I forgot about that

that will never not get me
knight of owner
jesus christ it's the best
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>>172971426
It literally said right there that he didn't, and that he wasn't able to go faster than him.
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>>172971235
>It's a wave-type beam
Nice headcanon, it's stated to be a slash of light, like Excalibur.
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>>172971426
He's also stated to be slower than Achilles. So, you know, I'm not sure why that's a thing that's even up for discussion.
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>>172971585
Unlike Excalibur it's a full rank lower in terms of power. In fact anti-army is a term of range, not power, anti-fortress specifically means power
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>>172971580
>among these Servants present
LoD Vlad was no longer a Servant, read Apocrypha.
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>implying anyone's stronger than this
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Do a 10 roll get a Cu alter, thanks I guess.
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>>172971467
>It's weaker by default than anti-fortress
See STELLA.

>which needs to go super unlocked mode in Excalibur's case to kill her, and Vasavi can pack a punch of that power by default.
Excalibur needs full release to handle Sefar at max power, Vasavi can only handle Sefar at its weakest.

>>172971787
STELLA
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>>172971325
>There's no logic behind it
Ok, thank you.
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>>172972080
>Stella
>which in concept is specifically stated to be comparable to an anti-fortress NP
>and it has a demerit that literally kills you when used
Great example lad, still doesn't change the fact that nothing of the sort is said for Arondight and that Arondight caps at anti-army
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>>172969826
i got ibaraki y Cu today
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>>172971627
Vlad the Servant, not Vlad the Vampire.
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>>172972348
Now you're not making any sense.
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>>172969826

oh, i want her at NP5, if odds (like her) i roll
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>>172971709
>>172972315


good job, anon

we are all happy for you :)
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>>172972728
>:)

Fuck off reddit
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What is the Return of the Jedi of the Fate series?
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>>172972892
Probably heaven's feel
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>>172972892
HF
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>>172972892
CCC, as the not finale.
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>>172971585
It's also said to be able to cover a whole lake and is Anti-Army, which is a wide range attack as opposed to a fortress buster being a much narrower one.
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>>172973037
HF is ESB
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>>172973213
But ESB is KL
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So is enkidu enuma elish similar to excalibur? If something like sefar threatens the planet does gaia give him enough power to neutralize it?
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>Hippolyta's NP is just an incredibly weak version of Arondight that doesn't even give a swordbeam

Kek
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>>172973437
No, ESB is CP.
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>>172973442

Enkidu's Enuma Elish gets buffed by Counter Force against certain enemies, but it's not anywhere near as strong as unlimited Excalibur. Nothing is as strong as unlimited Excalibur. It's the strongest sword.
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OTP.
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Why the fuck is Arondight so wanked? Every other sword like it just has a beam as the effect, but Arondight was meant to be different since Lancelot's all about skill so it just buffed him, along with the dragonslaying and saving throws thing, but then they decided to go back on that and give it a swordbeam too, and made it so that Lancelot could inject the swordbeam into others? All of that in one fucking sword, on top of the stupid wank about it being indestructible? What were they thinking?
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>>172973442
No, it's a TECHNIQUE so it can't.Only BEAMUS work, and only Excalibur's BEAMUS are strong enough.
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>>172970176
But Lancelot and Galahad were also chosen by him. Galahad is his fuccboi too.
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>>172973508
>Implied to be capable of boosting her dumb ass to divine spirit levels
If anything it's superior considering divine spirits are in another tier.
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>>172973665
its MYTHology for a reason dumbass, stupid adachiposter
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>>172972728
thanks
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>>172973808

>because of the evaporation of mystery, its power has been reduced

It's shit, Arondight is so strong it literally cannot be nerfed no matter what time period it's in
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>>172970654
Mashu's entire philosophy and lifestyle are Roman's. She's a good jew wife.
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Apocrypha is The Force Awakens?
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>>172973783
>Lancelot
>chosen
nah
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>>172973919

Zero is Rogue One
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>>172973997
Chosen to sire his fuccboi Galahad. He was kicked out when that guy design him as an ugly fuck.
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>>172973894
>its power has been reduced
So it's even more impressive now considering it can still get her to divine spirit levels, nice
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>>172974031
UBW is phantom manace
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>>172973665
I don't see how people haven't noticed this but he's literally male Scat.
>less poems about him than Gawain
>not as important apart from backstabbing in lore
>his overwanked NP only has 1 line in 1 poem
etc.
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>>172973614
>t. Artoriafag
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>>172974613
Guess what Gaia is.
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>>172974713
A milf?
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>>172974713
>claims excalibur to be strongest sword
>cant even kill a beast
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got my 2nd copy of Angra when I was listening to broKen NIGHT....
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>>172974372
Lancelots a lot more well known than Gawain
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>>172974713
Someone weaker than God?
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>>172975046
Literally everyone is weaker than God
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>>172975218
I don't. For a reason why, check the comic you posted. It's the exact same joke that everything about the sneks is all about. It isn't even funny or anything, it's just "lol Medusa being bullied!!"
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>>172967059
wait for an Herc rateup
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What's your controversial Nasuverse opinion?
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>>172975461
Akiha > Rin
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>>172975461

Fate was a mistake, this should be Tsukihime GO and all these should be characters from the Burial Agency, executors, Mage Association, and Dead Apostles faction.

Beasts should be DAA that have given up on hiding amongst society and embraced their monstrousness and kill wantonly.
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>>172975461
I like Tsukihime more than Fate
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>>172975461
ufotable is a shit studio with lowtier staff
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>>172975461
Nasu, Takeuchi and Koyama are perfect gods of creation.
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>>172975654
>>172975689
>>172975697
>controversial
Having good taste isn't controversial
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>>172975461

Saber is bland.
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>>172975461
>>172975461
Aoko looks like she's balding in Mahoyo because Koyama cant into hair
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>>172975654
how is that controversial
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>>172975354
its okay anon, it is okay not loving sneks.

But I do love sneks.
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>>172975461
Gilgamesh did literally nothing wrong
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>>172975908
She's like fucking 5'6
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>>172975461
Rin is best Nasuverse girl
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>>172975461
Zero is the best Fate anime so far
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>>172975461
I like UBW anime more than Zero.
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>>172975848
>liking Tsukihime
>"good taste"
nah
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>>172975461
Solomon should have been the genderswapped heroine while Mashu should have been replaced by Galahad.
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>>172975461
Nero wank is good.
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>>172975461
I'm so in love with the lore and feeling of a grail war that I want to run a tabletop RPG of it
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>>172975461
Nasuverse is garbage for manchildren
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>>172975461
That Guda shouldn't have a harem.
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>>172975461
Extella was pretty good
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>>172975461
FGO was a mistake
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>>172976013
5'8, but yeah shes a giantess compared to average nips.
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>>172976063
I agree.
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>>172976120
This
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>>172976120
/thread
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>>172976120
>>172976219

>controversial
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>>172976219
>controversial
Have a (You)
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How do sex scene servant?
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>>172976230
My brother!
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>>172976013
Taller than most elevens.
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>>172976415
Put Ponos on Vagoo
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>>172975461
Fate > Tsukihime
Tsukihime is diluted in too many routes, it'd have been better with 1 for each side, it's a problem that I found in Fate/SN too but 3 route are much better than 5, and even than I think that 2 route would have been better, 1 with Fate/UBW like the manga but with Rin as a Heroine and 1 with HF.
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>>172973171
Do you have any idea how big a fortress is?
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>>172976806
It's like, what, bigger than a car, right?
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>>172976806
Big enough that they specifically make a distinction between Excalibur being an Anti-Fortress weapon meant for destroying one single target and Galatine being an Anti-Army weapon meant to take out a lot of targets in one swing based on the differences between the beams.
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>>172976498
Fags can complain all they want but as long as Nasu gives me more Nero I'm a happy man.
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>>172977020
We need Santa Nero this year.
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Gareth-chan when?
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>>172977020
go away
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>>172975461
Swords suck. They're ugly and aren't even good at killing people until they're dead.
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>>172977120
Alters are Santas.
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>>172976563
How to successfully merge Fate and UBW?
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>>172976563
I like Kohaku but her route is redundant garbage except for the climax. Also the ending is overrated as all fuck
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>>172975697
Why?
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>>172977120
Along with swimsuit Nero too.
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>still no news
FUCK OFF
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>>172977485
Yes, oh god.
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>>172977120
I'd rather have her swimsuit version. It would align nicely with Tamamo clones too.
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>>172977548
>people think this is sexy

less is more
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>>172977680
t. Takeuchi
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>>172977768
>missing the point and immediately assuming he's shitting on the only good thing about nero
Sasuga nerotards
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>>172975461
It's okay to get into the series watching adaptations instead of reading the VNs right away
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>>172977768
Takeuchi designed Nero though.
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>>172977768
*shortens arc's skirt*
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>>172977349
What kind of little bitch cries when reading a fucking VN?
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>>172975461
Tamamo gets stupid wank too, but it's drowned out by Nero's.
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>>172976981
Big enough to hold an army inside it.
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>>172978089
There's a real problem when a monster can be simultaneously turned into a dindu and avatar of Amaterasu and it's less obnoxious wank than Nero's.
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>>172976806
I imagine they mean like a city-state fortress.
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>>172978048
Takeuchi knows what we want better than we do.
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>>172977461
I just like some of the characters more. I also dislike how many saberfaces there are, I'm not a fan of saber's ahoge at all.
I'd like MHX a lot more if that stupid ahoge didn't poke out of her hat.
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>>172977680
Actually, that CCC swimsuit was a prank by BB (much like everything else in the game). Nero herself would choose something more like this.
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>>172976981
think like Helms Deep
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>>172975461
Shirou and Kirei are not a good characters.
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I wanted a banana, but instead got Nightingale from 16 tickets, Cuzilla from first 10 roll and Fran from second 10 roll.

Mixed feelings.
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You have to put a finger in the butt of the last gold you rolled. How is it?
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>>172978089
>>172978196

Oh, please. Tamamo gets wanked way harder than Nero ever has been. Full power Nine-Tail Tamamo is on par with Solomon. Nero doesn't even get buffs from anything.

The worst that Nero gets is "she's a magnificent ruler" which is said about literally every King in the series that isn't Gilgamesh.
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>>172978376
Why not?
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>>172977349
I agree. Kohaku isn't bad but her route feels like a footnote and an attempt to not have the game end on such a sad note with Hisui's endings.
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>>172977680
I like it...

>>172977623
Idk, I was hyped when Mordred got a reference with it in game.

>>172978272
That is true. But let me dream.
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>>172978396
Banana is shy.
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>>172977279
read the manga, the art is atrocious in the early volumes but the story is able to merge successfully Fate and UBW without doing a mess like DEEN
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>>172978589
>people think this is sexy

less is more
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>>172978397
I think I'll be okay.
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>>172978464
>that isn't Gilgamesh.
Gilgamesh became a magnificent ruler in FGO.
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>>172978601
Not really. They just put the Caster subplot before the Illya plot and that's about it.
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>>172978673

That never stops anyone outside Babylon shitting all over him as an evil tyrant who destroyed his kingdom.
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>>172978653
I like skin my man.
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>>172978464
Tamamo doesn't have a whole FGO story chpater dedicated to how great she is.
Yet.
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>>172978759
>people think this is sexy

less is more
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>>172978832
Opinions.
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>>172978832

>less is more

Yes, less clothes = more sexy

Humans have agreed about this simple fact for eons
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You switch bodies with Heracukles, how does it happen?
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>>172978798
Give it time.
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>>172978589
Well with the CCC event coming they could have it so the next summer event has BB giving the other servants their swimsuit versions for the return of the sling bikini.
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>>172978985
Why the fuck should I know?
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So which Extra Servant could use an animation update?

Alice,Robin,Hans and Liz?
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>>172977008
>one single target
>maximum number of targets is 1000
Nice try retard.
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>>172979162
Liz would be the most desired one.
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>>172979162
At this point no one should be using the generic animations still
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>>172979005
I was thinking the same thing, but i just realized. If Nero showed it to Mordred she must have it still just laying around.
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>>172979005
Wonder what BB will wear herself
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>>172978397
>>172976415
>>172978985


What's up with all these retarded questions?
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>>172979321
Just her coat.
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>>172979370
something something the tree
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>>172978464
>The worst that Nero gets is "she's a magnificent ruler"
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>>172979435

Go on, make an argument. I'm waiting.
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>>172978798
she has appeared in more events than Nero though
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>>172979185
This might surprise you, so I want you to sit down for it, alright?

One target =/= one person.
One fortress = one target.
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>>172979404
But that's just alternate attire for busier days
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>>172979317
Maybe she just doesn't want to admit that a piece of string is too much for her and so keeps it around.
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>>172979435
does anyoen have the red man edited to look like shirou
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Do we who's going to be a 5* in GudaGuda2?
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>>172979185
>anti-planet only targets planet, i.e. 1 target
>anti-army targets army, i.e. 1000 targets
>anti-planet hits less people than anti-army
I don't know what you're arguing about, but you're comparing targets from two different contexts, which is retarded.
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>>172980057
most likely the Bakumatsu Berserker
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>>172980057
Some berserker buff guy
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>>172979487
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>>172980057
Probably Bakumatsu no Berserker
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>>172980057
A dark ikemen berserker.
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>>172980093
>anti-planet only targets planet
I'm pretty sure anti-planet is just a screen nuke, it doesn't have an exact range.
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>>172980057
Majin Saber
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>>172980057
Dark ikemen
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>>172978464
>Full power Nine-Tail Tamamo is on par with Solomon
That's what she claims and she's constantly hyping herself. Unless Nasu said so, I wouldn't take her so seriously.
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>>172980180

Still waiting for an argument, all I see is a temporary buff that Nero had to literally beg the gods for.
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>>172980415
I don't think it's a line. Tamamo is known for being nigh-omnipontent in her full form.
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I always thought in the back of my head people were overhyping how good Merlin actually was until I just used one of my friend's Merlin in the last Shinjuku fight.

Jesus christ.
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>>172980603
>a lie
Fixed.
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>>172980603
It's a line Tamamo says in her interlude to excuse why she's a shit Servant even if she has three tails. But she wasn't even speaking of her powerlevel, she just said that the nine tails/Amaterasu stuff is a calamity as dangerous as the one who caused the incineration (aka it's a Beast).

Doesn't mean all Beasts are on the same level. Nasu did say he went wild with the last boss (Go-chan) rather than Tiamat.
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>>172980057
Ikemenserker.
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>>172980180
I'm still mad we didn't get her for Valentine's
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>>172980503
It's not even that powerful. Venus is strong enough to BTFO Velber but she's weaker than Solomon, Papa Hassan or Nine-Tail Tama.
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>>172980503
>she's the main servant in Extella for no reason
>she's Altera's "rival" for some reason even though she shouldn't even know how to use a sword
>every character is always saying how great she is
>gets two routes because fuck all the other servants
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>>172980681
Indeed. Any servant becomes great when supported by Merlin, after all.
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how many servant is it to cut before released?
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>>172980278
>>172980093
There's Anti-world and Anti-planet NPs

Anti-world seems to target the world around somehow, world all around in a large distance. Anti-planet is how it sounds, Da Vinci alludes to such a thing existing only in theory currently. Kiara has the only anti-planet NP to date.
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>>172980681
>My Dantes critting for over 100k in the last Guda fight
Any combination of Merlin and Waver should be fucking illegal but I'm glad they aren't
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>>172980895

This.

>>172980924

>not wank
>not wank
>every character calls every other character great constantly
>not wank

Not a single argument to be had.
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>>172980924
God damn, I'm so tired of this bullshit. It's the same garbage argument repeated over and over and over again. Just shut up already.
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>>172980278
I could care less about the actual specifications about the attack; I'm just pointing out how stupid it is to compare two attacks and say that one targets more people without considering what is being specified as a target for each context.
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>>172981051
>>172981068
It's useless to argue with Nerodrones
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>>172981019
Technically speaking, Lip could also be Anti-Planet if she had enough time to squeeze.
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>>172981019
>Kiara has the only anti-planet NP to date.
Anti-Planet is also known as Anti-Star. Both Cursed Cutting Crater and Venus' Domus Aurea are Anti-Star. Those only exist in Extra universe though.
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>>172981134

Typical shitposters, first they don't even play the source material, then they get high and mighty about it when they get called out for being stupid.
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>>172981185
And Kingprotea if she is left to grow no stop.
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I love my emperor!
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>>172981349
So, what's your argument for the supposed team up route being actually just Nero Route 2?
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>>172981349
Whatever you say Nerodrone
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>>172981349
Just ignore him, this shitposting is pointless.
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>>172981419
...that's Artoria
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>>172981482

I don't think you know what wank means.
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>>172980772
Wasn't Goetia extremly powerful because he stolen Solomon stuff though?
Regardless, all the Beast so far are pretty damn powerful
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I just want more cute Nobu shenanigans
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>>172981292
While the only Anti-Planet NPs to happen are in Extra at the moment, that doesn't mean they're secluded to Extra or anything.

It just means that Extra is the only entry that allows that kinda scale freely since they're no longer on the planet. You can't really have beyond an anti-world weapon on Earth, or else Earth would be destroyed every other week. Its kinda like how in Marvel, all the heroes seem stronger when they're not on Earth. Because they're allowed to have less restraints.
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If you could punch one Servant in the dick, who would it be?
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>>172981552
No!
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>>172981817
Gawain.
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>>172981817
You
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I don't understand how someone can like Extra desu. The story is retarded, all the main characters are either shallow waifubait or taken from another Fate work and the gameplay is fucking garbage.
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>>172981817
Lancelot.
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>>172981927
...that's bait
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>>172981817
Lancelot.
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>>172981419
Nero is made for love.
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>>172981927
extra vlad is ssexier than apoc vlad
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>>172981817
Astolfo
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>>172981614
All Beasts have capacity to grow. Goetia got a fucking headstart because he assimilated Solomon. He was still weaker than Solomon would have been in life (who was just Yahweh riding his body to be fair).
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>>172982065
Nero is love.
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@172981927
>I don't understand how someone can like Extra
>all the main characters are either shallow waifubait or taken from another Fate work

even for bait this is really poorly constructed
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>>172981927
It gave us Drake and Vlad so I'm happy.
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>>172979426
I miss him
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>>172982162
>>172982020
Nice arguments
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>>172981927
Revenge of the Sakurafaces.

Anything to fight the Saberface fad.
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>>172981927

Don't have to like Extra to play it so you know what the fuck you're talking about.
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>>172981927
Was Extra a worthless entry to the series?
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>>172981724
Yet Nasu dismisses Extra as just a Virtual Reality setting while says FGO is where he can go Universal scale.
>>
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=62242760

Scat may be the best lancer, but can she break the masterlock?!
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>>172981927
Because the secondary characters are pretty great
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>>172982404
That's exactly what he does. Powerlevels skyrocketed in FGO.
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I got Herc for my Jeanne. Should I keep rolling or nah?
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@172982303
it's basically the equivalent of asking why people like beer when all it does is make you drunk
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>Nerofags ruin the thread again
>>
Finally getting around to leveling my Nobu, how many apples would I have to burn to get her to 80 today?
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>>172982404
That's just your bias phrasing it in a certain way to dismiss something you don't care for and pump up your own thing as being above it. Did he actually say it in the way you're claiming, not really. It would be foolish to argue this as though it was trying to be a legitimate argument.
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>>172982570
>that boogeyman again
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>>172982594
Just wait for Archer XP, it's not worth burning apples.
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>>172982404
Extra powerlevels are always about some artificial upgrade handed by Mooncell or some gag thing while FGO powerlevels are actually lore related.
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>>172982570

>maybe 50 posts are related to Nero
>ruined

You must be severely buttblasted
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>>172982594
did you buy the prism shop xp cards already?
>>
WHOOHOO!
I'm so happy right now.
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>>172982835
Out of mana prisms after buying the fous

>>172982743
That's in another week though, I'd rather just burn apples right now for it, not like I need them all.
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Hey /fgog/, I love my waifu!
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>>172981817
Jannu Alter
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>>172981927
see >>172982205 >>172982482

Secondary characters are the only good thing about Extra. That's why the side stories are the only good thing about Extella.
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How long until the event where Chaldea detects a large power signature in Japan stronger than anything they've felt before, only to discover the reason why Buddha and Jesus haven't joined the war yet is because they're living together doing SoL things.
>>
why do people even want maijin saber for the next 5*
are there not enough sabers in this game?
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>>172982932
Forgot pic.
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>>172983171
>are there not enough sabers in this game?
No.
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>>172980924
>she's the main servant in Extella for no reason
She was the main heroine in the Extra series since the first Extra game.
>she's Altera's "rival" for some reason even though she shouldn't even know how to use a sword
She's supposed to be Altera's rival because they're opposites in terms of personality, not because Nero is as skilled with a sword.
>every character is always saying how great she is
Everyone talks about how great everyone is in Extella. Did you forget Karna and Medusa refusing to leave Tamamo because they think she's great? Or Iskandar and Jeanne helping Altera because she's great and they want to save her? Hakuno goes on tangents about how beautiful and perfect each heroine is as well.
>gets two routes because fuck all the other servants
The main Servant gets the final route. That's just how it works. You don't like Nero and that's fine, but complaining about the Main Servant getting the final route and the big powerup to defeat the final boss at the end is silly. That's how these types of games work.
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>>172983040
I think Melt will sue your waifu.
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>>172983040
good for you anon
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>>172983171
Because she's awesome.
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>>172983171
The good ones we have are limited.
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>>172983171
Caster is the most present, not saber.
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>>172970943
>>172971050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYwd0Wus5Ik

Sounds like a cool Assassin NP
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>>172983298
Haha, I didn't notice that.

>>172983302
Yes.
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What if Majin Saber is Lancer?
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>>172983291
>She was the main heroine in the Extra series since the first Extra game.

No she wasn't. All the main servants had their own routes until Extella. Tamamo even had more connection to the plot in the first game since she was Twice's Servant.
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>>172983523
>Okita
>Lancer
Nah. Maybe Archer, but not Lancer.
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>>172983523
>Shoots sword beams at people
>Archer class
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>>172983581
Fuck off. Nero is great.
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>>172983227
That's actually pretty impressive.
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>>172983581
I think we've discussed this a billion times already. Fucking hell...
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>>172983667
>Runs up to people and bashes them over the head with staff
>Caster
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wat happen to that banana anon?
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>>172983797
>>172983697
>no arguments again

Sasuga
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>>172983581

Nero was on the front of the box and intended to be the first Servant everyone plays as, similar to how Fate has three routes focusing on different characters. Saber is the main heroine of Fate Stay Night despite Shirou only ending up with her in one and a half routes. Arceuid is the main heroine of Tsukihime despite not being Shiki's main love interest in the majority of routes.
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>>172983797
>I think we've discussed this a billion times already.
/fgog/ in nutshell.
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>>172983040
tha'ts fine, she used to be pretty likable.
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>>172983291
>She was the main heroine in the Extra series since the first Extra game.
What made her the main heroine in the first game? She was one choice out of three, and she featured on the boxart with EMIYA and Rin. That's hardly main heroine status, unless you want to argue that Saber is the main heroine of GO.

>She's supposed to be Altera's rival because they're opposites in terms of personality, not because Nero is as skilled with a sword.
Tamamo's NP is meant to be something that builds a country according to Karna, Altera's purpose is to destroy civilization. There, I've created a reason just as valid for them to be rivals, they're creation V destruction.

>Did you forget Karna and Medusa refusing to leave Tamamo because they think she's great?
Karna is Karna, and even then he says he's with her because he knows she'll stay good with Hakuno. Medusa is with her because she doesn't want to see Tamamo turn into a monster and ends up betraying her when given the chance in her route.

>Or Iskandar and Jeanne helping Altera because she's great and they want to save her?
Jeanne wants to save her from her fate, Iskandar got beaten and serves her because of that.

>Hakuno goes on tangents about how beautiful and perfect each heroine is as well.
Nowhere near as much as with Nero, because Nero gets two routes and twice the My Room scenes.

>The main Servant gets the final route.
Again, her being picked as the main Servant when she wasn't is the wank. Nero had less to do with Extra than any other Servant, Tamamo had the most to do with it. If all you're basing the main Servant deal on is the cover of the game then I don't know what to say.
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>>172983581
Getting their own routes and being the main heroine aren't the same thing. Arc is the main heroine in Tsukihime despite only playing a role in 2 of the 5 routes. And you can argue that Kohaku is just as important, if not more, since she's the one planning everything behind the scenes, but Kohaku is still considered a secondary heroine.
She is the face of Extra, therefore she is the main heroine.
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Whose route will the CCCollab be?

Apart from Guda(k)o's.
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>>172983919
>Saber and Arcueid only got one route

Really makes you think.
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Is Nero the cancer of TM?
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Hopefully Nasu will realize some day that nobody actually cares about Nero.
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I can only imagine Valentines next year

Passionlip's valentines is a compressed cube which she claims was chocolate at one point.

Moriarty gives you some werther's originals

Lobo just lets you pet him
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>>172983171
Honestly, we have a deficiency of Sabers. Right now, Noshirt and Fat are your only options unless you whale or are extremely lucky with the gacha.
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>>172984256
I love her, so I care. That's all she needs.
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>>172975461
Roman is bland and boring, and I wished FGO had something bigger as the main plot other than his angsty backstory.
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>>172983339
you say that like majin saber won't be limited
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Can Roa beat Servants?
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>>172983987
>Iskandar got beaten and serves her because of that
Did you miss the entire conversation Nero has with him in the final route?
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>>172983987
Dude, calm down. Seriously, we've been having this argument for ages, and it all comes down to preference. Extella is far from perfect, but your perception of it depends on your expectations: if you want more Extra stuff and don't really care about intricate plot then you'll be able to ignore its faults easily. And of course, it goes the opposite way too.
Stop having these retarded arguments, they're pointless. Just enjoy whatever you enjoy and let other people do the same. That's how Japs do it, and it works for them just fine.
>>172984256
>nobody actually cares about Nero
/fgog/ sure does, not a single post mentioning Nero ever goes unnoticed here. I think it's a tradition at this point.
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>>172984154
I feel like all our "Beast in the making" heroines have the potential to be cancer.
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>>172984256
>lost with Emiya in her team

Every time
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>people implying Majin won't be limited
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>>172984313
>Honestly, we have a deficiency of Sabers.
Check the graph of how of each thing there is. We have a deficiency of riders and assassins I believe.
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>>172984412
So we'll need more 5* Sabers. Hopefully an unlimited one down the line.
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>>172984506
>implying majin is coming at all
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>>172983987

>Again, her being picked as the main Servant when she wasn't is the wank. Nero had less to do with Extra than any other Servant, Tamamo had the most to do with it. If all you're basing the main Servant deal on is the cover of the game then I don't know what to say.

That's not wank. You seriously need to learn what wank is. Protip: it's not having screentime.
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GudaGuda2 News tonight? I'm sick of hoarding quartz I want to roll for Hijikata-san
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>>172984595
She was redesigned for it already.
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>>172984256
The alternative being Tamamo isn't any better though.
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>>172984462
Even Merlin?
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>>172984439
It's funny how you tell me to calm down and refuse to answer any of my points and then tell me it's all down to perception when it's pretty obvious that Nero got a massive amount of favoritism in Extella.
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>>172984479
Redman can only carry a team so much
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>>172984625
The event's not coming for another two weeks. News next week.
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>>172984752
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>>172984081
This guy is really comfy.Probably among the top GO fanart folks.
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>>172984658
ok but I want her to come out in a hilarious way, like when you level ChaCha to 80 she comes exploding out of her chest and replaces her. Merely rolling for such an anticipated meme char wouldnt be enough
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Stop fighting please.
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Got nightingale. Is she good? Her or Herc?
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>>172984420
If he tries hard enough
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>>172984906
She's shit. Herc is better.
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>>172984752
I wonder what boring ass bait gacha they'll give us on Wednesday then. Maybe MHX since she's featured in the event
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>>172984906
use her to deal decent normal damage and turn other servants' ST Buster NPs into nukes

herc is better for a normal zerker doing zerker things
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I find it interesting how Nasu has improved a lot as a writer all around but he still hasn't managed to write a better villain than Kotomine.
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>>172984906
Both are good Zerkers. Although if you want a zerker for gameplay Herc has a really good skillset and damage output.
Plus his bond CE is one of the best in the game.
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>>172984864
He makes very clean and cute art, the style feels very nice, likes Alter Egos, likes the Onigasha crew, likes Dantes, and he does nice doujinshi.

He's good in my book
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>>172983987

>What made her the main heroine in the first game? She was one choice out of three, and she featured on the boxart with EMIYA and Rin.

She's the first intended route. Same with Saber in F/SN and Arc in Tsukihime.

>Tamamo's NP is meant to be something that builds a country according to Karna, Altera's purpose is to destroy civilization. There, I've created a reason just as valid for them to be rivals, they're creation V destruction.

Mistranslation. Tamamo's true NP, which is sealed off, destroys a country because it invokes the myth of Amaterasu.

>Karna is Karna, and even then he says he's with her because he knows she'll stay good with Hakuno. Medusa is with her because she doesn't want to see Tamamo turn into a monster

Sounds an awful lot like loyalty to me

>Jeanne wants to save her from her fate, Iskandar got beaten and serves her because of that.

Iskander is not helping her for that. Play the game.

>Nowhere near as much as with Nero, because Nero gets two routes and twice the My Room scenes.

So it doesn't count when Hakuno calls every heroine perfect in their own way because he happens to call Nero perfect more often? Awesome logic there

>Again, her being picked as the main Servant when she wasn't is the wank. Nero had less to do with Extra than any other Servant, Tamamo had the most to do with it. If all you're basing the main Servant deal on is the cover of the game then I don't know what to say.

That's not wank and you need to build a bridge and get the fuck over it.
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>>172984705
I'm not the person you were talking to. I've discussed this matter before - Nero is the main character if Extella because Extella needed a main character, that's how musou narrative works. It's like complaining about CaoCaoWank in Dynasty Warriors because he kicks everyones asses at the end of the day. That solution is far from perfect but Extella was the first Musou game Nasu ever worked on, give him time to iron out his mistakes.
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>>172984684
Yes.
>Half-incubus gets EX rank Mixed Blood when all the other half breeds don't even have that skill

Semen Demons are above world level apparently.
Just like real life, everything can cause cancer.No matter how minor.
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>>172985169
Its because Kotomine isn't a villain
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Nobu a CUTE.
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>>172984906
Herc is one of the best chars in the whole game whereas Florence occupies a weird space of being a healing, anti-human, buster buffing berserker that can't BBC, a huge minus for a berserker. 5star stats close the gap a bit without accounting for stuff like grails however.
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>>172985282
>Sounds an awful lot like loyalty to me
They're both so loyal that Karna admits he'll kill her in seconds if she shows a hint of being evil and Medusa is more than willing to betray the shit out of her and prevent her from realising that Lu Bu is also attempting to betray the shit out of her.
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>>172985169
It's hard to beat perfection.
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>>172985338
A theme TM repeatedly is that, oddities happen. They don't have to be the norm just because they occured. Maybe its just "fate".

You have normal half-breeds, then you have Akiha who is supposed to be legendary in skill for their types, and then you have Kouma who is randomly double legendary out of nowhere. Why is he super legendary? is it because he has special parents, special birth, or some mystical item? No, he just won the genetic lottery out of nowhere.

You got Shiki who gets super duper eyes out of nowhere when normally he'd just die, you have Sacchin who has super vampire potential out of nowhere and randomly skips several steps, you have Ciel who randomly had a magic like of around 3000 when she was a peasant girl in the middle of nowhere, you have Shirou who can use a reality marble out of nowhere.

People try to attach special reasons for this stuff, really its just a theme that shit happens. You won the genetic lottery, or fate lined up in your favor for no reason. HF is a route all about how shit lines up in the worst way that's impossible if it happened in any other way in order to work.
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>>172984313
obviously I was talking about 5* sabers since they are the only ones who matter
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>>172985494

>They're both so loyal that Karna admits he'll kill her in seconds if she shows a hint of being evil

She shows plenty of hints of being evil. Her entire facade is evil throughout the game until she drops it. Karna doesn't kill her regardless.

> and Medusa is more than willing to betray the shit out of her

But she doesn't in the routes where it matters. She could have walked away in Tamamo's route when they were fucked at the very end, but she didn't. Same goes for Lu Bu.
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>>172985169
This is true.
>Nero and Roha are just as basic and flawed as the rest of the writing in Tsukihime
>Gil is basically a non-character in SN that exists just to fulfill the "final boss" role in two routes
>HA lacks any real main antagonist unless you wanna get pedantic with the definition and argue the details
>Twice in Extra is fucking shit and pretty much every other rival master besides Leo and the girl you don't save are pitifully underdeveloped, and none of those three are Kotomine tier
>Kiara is boring as poop, trashy as hell, and outshone by Hans, BB, Liz and nearly all the other CCC characters - meanwhile ML+PL are so-so at best and BB isn't a "real" antagonist by the end
>Touko was ruined by Mahoyo and her werewolf fuckboy was meh to start with
>GO has a handful of decent villains but none are quite as good as Kotomine even if a few stray close to him
>Mathman is entertaining but I cannot call him well written and Velber is essentially a non-entity
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>>172980180
>Anti-Star Noble Phantasm

Haven't played the game, but I bet all my money ($0 2bh) that the actual line should be Anti-Planet Noble Phantasm because as we know, Nasu uses Start for Planet.

I feel like I dodged a bullet with EXTELLA.
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>>172985827
>Her entire facade
>Karna
She's never actually evil. If Karna saw a hint of her genuinely actually being truly evil as opposed to putting on an act, he'd kill her. He says it outright, there's no real way to debate it.

>But she doesn't in the routes where it matters.
That doesn't mean that she wasn't willing to. Being willing to betray her at all is not loyalty.
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>>172985928
0 qp? How is that even possible
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>>172985928
No. It's the terror of gacha.
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>>172986065
You did. The game is pretty shit.
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>>172985880
You're entirely correct.
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>>172985928
It's supposed to be some kind of April Fools gacha. Hahaha Shirley, nice one DW.
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>>172984897
I'm wondering why is Nero such a pressing issue here. She doesn't get a lot of attention in other western Fate communities but /fgog/ is all over her for some reason - every time Nero is mentioned at least 2 or 3 people start heated arguments over her. I've been scrolling this thread for a few months and I still can't wrap my head around it.
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>>172985928
New account anon?Purge it.
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>>172986097
>Tamamo
>not evil
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>>172986097

>She's never actually evil. If Karna saw a hint of her genuinely actually being truly evil as opposed to putting on an act, he'd kill her. He says it outright, there's no real way to debate it.

Karna never killed any of his actually evil masters. He was talking shit.

>That doesn't mean that she wasn't willing to. Being willing to betray her at all is not loyalty.

Medusa and Lu Bu don't betray Tamamo in any of the canon routes. They actually stick with her when the going gets tough in Tamamo's route when Tamamo even tells them they can just leave if they want. All the 'disloyalty' is only ever played for laughs.
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>>172986180
>>172986194
I beleive that maybe the story itself is fine, but the translation must be so-so. Like that Anti-Planet thing I posted above.
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>>172985992
>pretty much every other rival master besides Leo and the girl you don't save are pitifully underdeveloped
My man Dan was great. He and Robin's relationship was the highlight of Extra for me.
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>>172986315
If you think she's evil, you should replay Extra. For both her and Nero "not actually being evil" is an important plot point.
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>>172986230
It's legitimately just retards getting unecessarily angry at her over Septem being shit and her being the main girl of Extra, plus some backlash against how she used to be popular on here.

Nero's last few outings have been pretty badly flawed but the vitriol against her as a character is hilariously out of tune with what it should be. People act like she fucking ruined the franchise or something.
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>>172986230
People got mad that pretty much the entirety of Septim was spent making Nero literally the perfect person. Nasu was shoving her down everyone's throats and people got annoyed.

I still love my emperor though!
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>>172984462
Who are the beast in the making heroines?
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>>172986230
A combination of backlash over Septum and Extella, and good old 4chan vitriol being unable to let go of things they hate. My home board is /m/, I could tell you stories about that sort of shit.
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>>172986414
You're right that his concept was damn good, and I quite enjoyed what little we saw of him, but he gets like fifty lines of dialogue at most so I still find him really under-developed.
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>>172986450

Tamamo fits the Nasuverse definition of Evil just fine. Being Evil doesn't mean being a bitch, though she is definitely a bitch to everyone who isn't Hakuno. There are plenty of Evil characters like Medea and Medusa and Dantes and Moriarty who are shown in positive lights, but they're still Evil by Nasuverse standards.
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>>172986329
>Karna never killed any of his actually evil masters. He was talking shit.
How many evil masters has he had to date? And of those, how many of them was he in an actual position to kill without endangering the life of someone else?
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>>172986575
Nero and Tamamo both have potential to be linked to a Beast in the future and that's it afaik
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>>172986691
Medusa and Ana are good tough. Gorgon is evil.
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>>172986575
You know, Nero and Tamamo.

Sakura and Altera are pretty similar to that too.

Basically you're waifu could threaten the world, but with the proper amounts of violence,dickings and sacrifices you save the world and her.
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>>172986691
Medusa is Good, though.
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>>172986738

Holy fuck, literally read the Mahabharata.
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>>172986909
right after you learn how to use a toilet
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>>172986909
I'm talking about Fate, dumbass.
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>>172986909
>reading poo in the loo mythology
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>>172985992
>and BB isn't a "real" antagonist by the end
This is true about a lot of TM villains, including Goetia. Despite the inclination of people to agree with this statement and follow up by saying that's why its shit, this in itself is not actually a bad thing.

Heroes and villains may both want the same goals, but ideologically they cannot mesh together, so they fight. Villains don't have to be evil for the sake or evil enjoy evil in itself. Sometimes they can have good goals, but they go about it in a flawed way that they refuse to budge on.
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>>172986909
>read the longest work of literature in existence just to learn trivia about an anime pretty boy from a jap only gacha game in order to discuss him on a siberian wicker-weaving enthusiast usenet group

I'll pass
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>>172986909
POO
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>>172986909
Why would I want to read literal shit?
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>>172986949
Not even Indian, but you're really missing out if you don't read it. It's easily one of the most fun to read mythological epics. It far surpasses the Iliad which is it's closest relative.
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>>172986949

Stale meme.

>>172986991

So am I. The Kauravas are evil as hell and Karna could have betrayed them without risking anything because he was the only reason they weren't immediately crushed in the war. That dilemma is literally the crux of Karna's characterization. You even get the cliffnotes of it in Karna's profiles in Fate. There's no excuse for not knowing this about Karna.
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>>172987030
I'm not saying it means she isn't well written, I'm just saying it means I don't think you can call her a better villain/antagonist than Kotomine.
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>>172968556
Magic 8-ball says "No". I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.
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>>172986453
Yeah, I guess it has a lot to do with Septem. This is an FGO general after all.
>Nero's last few outings have been pretty badly flawed
Fun fact: out of all Extra games, Extella got the highest praise from critics. Player reception was also rather warm, even on 4chan.
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>/fgog/ hates Karna now
What the hell happened?
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>>172987172
I tried to but the constant god damn usage of nicknames/titles for characters made it impossible for me to keep track of who is who and there was too much supplementary reading required to understand the finer details for me to be bothered with it.

The Iliad and Odyssey were a cakewalk in comparison.
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>>172987213
Kauravas also had Drona, Bhisma, and Ashwatthama so they could have still put up a fight if Karna remained neutral or even turned against them.
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You know, finding out that your mythology shared stuff with other mythologies and may have borrowed stuff from here and there was a real bummer.

Fucking proto-Indo-European hacks.
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>>172987262
im still gonna grail mine to 100 so that she will join me in hell when the tier list police come to kill me for liking low powered characters
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>>172987276
That's because it's an actual game now instead of RPS, still got terrible reviews from what I recall
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>>172987276
Nerofag here currently playing through it.
It made me love her all over again, how do people hate this game beyond the camera?
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>>172987418

Nothing destroyed my belief in the Christian religion more than finding out how much of the Bible is lifted directly from mythological sources.
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>>172987341
There's a few abridged versions in English that are much more readable and focus solely on the Kurukshetra War as entertainment rather than as a religious text.
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>>172987276
I greatly enjoyed it and love Nero, but her and Altera did get the lion's share of that game's attention. Heck, even Liz arguably was more influential to the plot than Tamamao.
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>>172987276
>out of all Extra games, Extella got the highest praise from critics
because it was the closest to having passable gameplay
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>>172987489
Musou is a very repetitive. I've played many hours of other musou games and can't get into the genre again.
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>>172987276
Pretty sure it got mediocre reviews
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>>172987640
Sucks for you then.
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>>172987479
Nah, far from terrible. It holds 67 on Metacritic which is pretty high for such a niche musou title. Famitsu rated it the same as Senran Kagura: Estival Versus, which is fair.
>>172987519
Yeah, leaving Tamamo out like that was Nasu's mistake. Hopefully he fixes that in a sequel.
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>>172987682
I don't think I really missed out on anything with Extella.
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>things you wish would happen even though they definitely never will
I wish that Extella 2 scraps or sidelines the entire cast of the first game and instead puts the focus on a new gallery of characters.
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What do the cups next to the star rating mean?
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>>172987682
Problem is most musou games have a huge roster beside some of the newer ones like berserk and extella
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>>172987838

The servant's been grailed
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>>172957670
5* assassin Rasputin when?
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It still baffles me that people consider Musou gameplay to be a positive. I'd rather play RPS for hours on end than deal with the running around a map in a slog of a musou campaign. I don't understand how musou became a genre that people actually like.
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>>172987391
If Nasu knew anything outside of entry level mythology Saber Drona with Asi (the spirit of every single weapon there has ever been and ever will be in all creation in the form of a sword) would be a sure fire candidate for Grand Saber
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>>172982570
>implying that gawainfags didn't ruin this thread first
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>>172987792

I want DW to stop trying to force more Saberfaces in FGO.
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>>172987851
That's because musou games accumulate characters over time. Hyrule Warriors had a pretty pitiful roster, same with Dragon Quest Heroes.
>>172987926
People like musou for the same reason they like beat'em'ups like Streets of Rage. Sometimes you just want some mindless action.
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>>172987893
>Rasputin

Where did that come from?
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>>172983002
Archer and Caster is tomorrow. Today is Saber and Rider, yesterday was Lancer and Assassin.
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>>172988108
Even for a musou, Extella is rather dull. The cast is incredibly tiny, there's a grand total of between five and eight stages that you spend most of your time just flying through, and every enemy that isn't another Servant is a generic faceless polygon monster. Compare that to something like Hyrule Warriors, and it's just not as fun to play. If you don't care for the story or characters, then Extella doesn't bring anything to the table.
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>>172987792
Girls' Work(the VN and the anime)
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>>172987792
>now introducing Arturia Caster Alter Lily
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>>172988012
I think people should hold off on saying this or that character should be a Grand. In the first place we only know the criteria for one of the Grand classes, and there may still be more to that than what has been said so far.
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>>172988246

It's the utter lack of stage variety that hurts it the worst. 16 characters is plenty for a first generation musou. Hyrule Warriors didn't have that many characters prior to the massive waves of DLC characters they released when it turned out to be super popular.
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>>172988109
Rejoice
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>>172988246
Hyrule Warriors is the highest-rated musou game since Dynasty Warriors 4, I don't think it's fair to compare the two. Although I agree, I wish Extella had as much content as HW.
Extella's main problem is the lack of content. Specifically, it desperately needs more stages. The gameplay itself is actually rather good - it's intense, it has some difficulty to it, and the flow is pretty great overall (similar to Samurai Warriors 4).
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>>172988374
Well the original qualification for the Saber class was a legendary sword, so I assume having one of the most hyped swords in all world mythology and being an avatar of a creator God would qualify someone for Grand Saber
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The one thing I wish was different about Extella was the screentime the other Servants got. When they announced the teams, I was fucking excited to see how they'd interact. Nero's team in particular was going to be banter city. But when I finally played the game, there was hardly any of that. They just sort of go along with whatever the main heroine and Hakuno say. If Extella had even half the banter that the original Extra did, then I would have enjoyed it a lot more.
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>>172987213
>The Kauravas are evil as hell
Not in Fate. The blame for the war is never placed squarely on either side, and Karna's opinion of Duryodhana is that he's a flawed but ultimately good man. We know the Nasuverse changed shit about the Mahab, so it's hardly a jump to assume that neither side was outright evil considering Nasu seems allergic to those type of villains.
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>>172988246
How does it compare to other musou in playtime and amount of content? Is there at least as much to do in the game as in the average musou, despite the tiny cast?
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>>172988109
Iri tells him to kill himself in FGOMIII
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>>172987792
Karna gets to be the MC's Servant in a new Fate work. Ideally a Rider or Archer version, and if I really want to get out there, an Alter version to make sure that we get interesting insight on how he'd react to his life and the whole circumstances of his death if he was more normal.
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>>172988620
Plus it sounds like the Hindu deities may not be all that just/good in the Nasuverse given how much they love Arjuna despite him being a pretty obviously unhinged guy
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>>172988604
This desu
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>>172988593
It could be something inherent to the wielder of the sword instead. Clairvoyance isn't necessarily a prerequisite for the Caster class but it is essential to qualify for Grand Caster.
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I think the one thing Extella could've done without is timeline purges.It affects nothing so far, sure, but it's kinda cruel.
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>>172988787
Indra's portrayed as flawed as well, given that he's willing to screw over Karna so badly for the sake of Arjuna, but Karna still admires him because he's going so far out of love. I really don't think anything about the Mahab will be made into a proper Good V Evil thing, it'll be even more ambiguous than in the original text.

Inb4 the Kauravas were the good guys for wanting to break free of the gods which is mankind's destiny
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>>172988559
>>172988680
It's not a bad game, you can really tell that they put a good amount of effort into it. All the characters play like you would expect them to, and they really showed their work with them as well though this does affect some of them adversely, like poor Jeanne. Comparing it to Hyrule Warriors is probably setting the bar rather high, but it still feels like they just ran out of time somewhere along the way. Which is strange, since it was delayed in the first place.

It's still better than the Berserk musou though, at least that's something.
>>172988604
Yeah, that was a major kick in the balls. Outside of the sidestories, everyone that isn't one of the faction leaders or maybe Gilgamesh is essentially window dressing.
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>>172988680
>playtime
About as long as any other musou of its kind - 50 hours or so in total.
> amount of content
Not much, unfortunately. There are 16 characters (which is fine), but there are only 5 or so stages. They are very varied (thankfully), but it's still pretty bad.
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>>172987792
That will never happen because Saber, Archer, Gil, etc are the most popular and recognizable characters
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>>172988760
Try having a look at Fate/Hollow Order. It's actually pretty good and it features a good bit of a gimped Rider Karna.
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>>172988620

>Not in Fate.

Yes they fucking are. Karna knows he's serving bad people but he's okay with it because they were nice to him when his true family was not. He doesn't even care that Duryodhana was only nice to him in order to manipulate him.

>Karna's opinion of Duryodhana is that he's a flawed but ultimately good man

Karna doesn't believe anyone to be genuinely evil. We haven't met a single person that he's gone "REEEEEEEEEE YOU'RE EVILLLLLL, I HAVE TO KILLL YOUUUUU" to.
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>>172989083
Point me to a quote in Fate that says they're all irredeemably evil, please?

Also, maybe that's because he's never met someone who was genuinely completely evil outright. Just a thought.
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>>172988895
It was being set up for the last six months in fgo, don't pin it all on extella. This is something he's been adding in slowly for awhile for a reason that he finally wanted to explain. What reason? Well see, maybe just to give chaldea more shit to do since they save time lines now as well.
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>>172989061
>>things you wish would happen even though they definitely never will
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>>172989237
Well, I dislike the "Both too successful and too wasteful timelines are purged" thing.

Mediocrity's the only way.No wonder Mathman was mad.
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>seach for Helena doujins on sadpanda
>there's none
This is too cruel.
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>>172989236

>Point me to a quote in Fate that says they're all irredeemably evil, please?

Nice bait, but being evil isn't the same as irredeemably evil. The Kauravas are flatly stated to be the bad guys, as usual, in Karna's profile. They're the evil side. Next you'll say that Ravana was actually a dindu because Rama backstabbed that one guy so clearly Rama is morally grey and Ravana is also morally grey.

>Also, maybe that's because he's never met someone who was genuinely completely evil outright. Just a thought.

More bait
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>>172989042
>>172989053
A lot more fair opinions than the usual "extella is the worst thing ever"
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>>172989074
I'm a massive fan of it, one of the best fanfiction of Fate I've ever read.
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>>172989557
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>>172989557
at least she's in that one CG set
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Bake new.
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>>172989969
NOOOOOOOOO
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>>172989969
not yet
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Fresh bread

>>172989993
>>172989993
>>172989993
>>172989993
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>>172989614
I see you still haven't shown a quote. That's because every profile only has it as the Kauravas being antagonistic to the Pandavas, not being evil. It also doesn't lay the blame squarely on one side or another, specifically saying that it was the antagonism between them that led to the war, not just the Kauravas.
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>>172987792
I'd want Arjuna to replace Karna, and have Enkidu and Cleo in it.
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>>172990152

Just fuck off if you're going to play this headcanon bullshit. Nothing even implies the Kauravas are anything other than evil. He's changed plenty of things about it, there's nothing stopping him from just saying "the Kauravas were totally the good guys all along!"
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>>172989838
She's perfect to sexually assault.
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>>172990507
You can rant all you like but it's not going to change the fact that he Kauravas are only ever said to be antagonistic to the Pandavas, and the Pandavas are hardly portrayed as righteous heroes with no flaws.
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