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/twg/ - Warhammer Fantasy and Total War General

Plate armor is useful edition

New World Expansion Soon
https://comingsoon.totalwar.com/


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>>172576018
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>>172576018
Nth for buddies
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Wish we had a late Middle Ages Total War just so we could get a proper look at armor and early gunpowder. Bombards looked pretty sweet.
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>God chicken sends child chicken to fight me
>child chicken dies offscreen
What did Tzeench mean by this?
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Will New World be in the same map as Old World or will it be its own map/campaign?
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>be dwarfs
>get the other kingdoms through confederations
>eliminate greenskins
>chaos triggerd
>20 turns later they attack Oakenhammer and Zufdorf with 3 stacks a settlment
>chaos btfo

Why are the dwarfs so fucking OP in defense. Chaos stood no chance fighting in confined spaces. Just lure them in and flank shot them.
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>>172576481
Why?
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>>172576485

Have you ever just liked acorns so much you needed one on top of your helmet while you bombard heathens into submission?
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>>172576552
Just as planned fool
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>>172576727
Because building fortresses is their thing, along with keeping lists of high school bullies. They're the ultimate bitter basement dwellers.
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>>172576552
I can't read vodka-runes but I respect that you're not playing a legendary lord.
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>>172576729
they fight crime
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This kills the Seleucid.
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How many threads will /twg/ go through when the announcement happens?
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so the next total war is warhammer 2 with snakes?
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>>172577069
We must own the entire board at once of course.
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>But Clan Pestilens will be in the game at start, do you mean a unit DLC?

Yes, CA is going to release the monster and Warpstone tech units for Skaven.

Units like Plague Monks, Plagueclaw Catapults and the Screaming Bell will come with the Sotek vs Pestilens DLC.
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>>172576552
He didn't want one of his daemons to come into contact with a filthy slav.
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>>172576936
Chaos has the gayest LLs. Not that guy, but neither Angstaon, faget Sigvald, nor OTT Kholek are even slightly appealing to me. Kholek was fun to turn into an army crusher once, but that's about it.
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>>172577071
lizards are reptiles and snakes are reptiles but lizards are not snakes
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>>172577071
and big bara lizards with their skink shotas
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>Under-empire infighting from the start
>enemies of all nations

Legendary dificulty or go home.
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>>172577069
I propose the invasion of other generals to expand our shitposting capacity
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16 HOURS

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE
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>>172577426
No, that is the way of doom. Let us not repeat the mistakes of /gsg/.
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>>172577380
Lumpin Croop is the hero we need
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>>172577463
Can't wait to play as Tilean colonies, Amazons and the Vampire Coast.
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So I am at party but even after few beers and being a bit drunk I'm still too autistic to enjoy it.
How many hours to lizardmen reveal?
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>>172576727
stop playing on normal
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>>172577426
I propose my bottom.
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>>172577708
>thirsty thursday lmao
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>>172577748
Pls no bully, it was my first playthrough.
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>1 more sleep left
I can smell it already
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>Gobbla running circles around Skarsnik on the map

That's actually kinda cute.
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>>172577708
>drinking alcohol ever
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>>172578256
mannlet is such a tryhard
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>>172578070
Belegar is one wooly motherfucker. Bugman best dorf.
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>>172576018
Was it common for people to go into combat in full plate armour with no form of heraldry or other signals?

How would you recognize friend from foe?
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Playing as Tilea with the southern realms mod, didn't expect it to be so brutal. The start itself is fine since Tilea is united with no real immediate threats expect maybe the greenskins to the west, but now I'm on turn 60 with the Estelia and Western Border Princes provinces and the greenskins occupy power rankings # 2-7. I've had to fend off waves of greenskin stacks since they won the badlandsb owl and Beggar Nohammer got destroyed on turn 20 even with my help.
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>lizardmen
reee i want a historic total war. why they release after only 2 year a second warhammer part?
that makes no sense.
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>>172578070
What I'd give to see Snagla and Grom.
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>>172577748
I mean they are broken on any difficulty.

My first legendary play through was with them, a line of Ironbreakers is pretty impossible to break. Stack a shit ton of Quarellers behind them buffed with an engineer and shit, they fire over your line and destroy the enemy, even shielded/armored enemies, and are pretty immune to people shooting back with their shields. Throw some Hammerers on the flanks to protect yourself from flanks/flank the enemy. Finish it up with an artillery piece or two to take out enemy artillery.

Nothing could stop it.

Literally the only threats were Hellcannons, which out range my artillery, forcing me to move... And getting cornered and being forced to fight two full stacks with only a single stack... And even then I sometimes won those.
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>>172578758

Historical games don't make half the money Warhammer made
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>>172578758
Because its a trilogy getting released in rapid succession you idiot.

They said as much.

And they are still making a historical total war.
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why the fuck do I have so little labor

marienburg's deathstack went for a stroll and i wanted to snipe them
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>>172578758
warhammer outsold the prior historical titles and they want to strike while the iron's hot.

The next history title is being worked on right now. Stop being a bitch and just enjoy a fun series in the meantime. CA seems to actually care about these games.
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>>172578070
Belegar Ironhammer? More like Belegar Cottonchin.
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>>172579494
it's so fluffy
chicks love soft and fluffy beards
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>>172578758
TW Warhammer is still historic, it's just somewhere else's history
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>>172579232
>not bringing 4 great cannons to destroy the towers and a second army with a dozen mortars
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>>172579405
but it doesn't make fun. the units are boring and looking weird.
i tried 4 times but i can't play this fantasy shit longer than 20h.

i think it selles so well because of the new setting and the promising trailers in combination with denouvo.
but the second part will not be so sucsessful.
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>>172578070
>Snagla
>No Gitilla Da Hunta
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>>172579879
The army composition doesn't exactly suggest an advanced turn count.
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>>172580061
>i think it selles so well because of the new setting and the promising trailers in combination with denouvo.
>but the second part will not be so sucsessful.
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Rock the... boat?
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>>172576018

What is Jerusalem worth?
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>>172580417
now that's a boat-ship
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>>172579879
>turn 10

:thinking:
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>>172577380
No Estalia?
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>>172577669
You mean Estalian colonies. Tilea doesn't have any colonies in Lustria, though they sometimes send expeditions.
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>>172580457
Best I can do is 20 denarii
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>>172579705
That's great, Belegar can drop the pretense and repurpose to a far more suitable life as a surrogate mother for a flock of newborn chicks.
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Are the Beastmen and the Wood Elves in the campaign even if you don't own the DLC?

Not playable, just there.
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>>172580679
Yes
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>>172580560
There are no Estalian characters of note outside of a few merchants. Certainly no one suitable to lead.
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>>172578070
I propose moving Josef Bugman to Karak Norn.

I know it would take him away from the main playable Dwarf faction, but his Brewery is around that area. And you could also bring out Brokk Ironpick or whatever his name is to round things out.
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>>172580061
>game outsells predecessors
>b-but that doesn't mean it's fun! I-I can only play for t-twenty hours!
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>>172580679
Yep they are.
Beastmen are a bit of a nuisance -- they tend to show up at inconvenient locations. However, they're quite fun to battle.
Wood Elves factions used to be the bane of the civilized world, venturing forth from Athel Loren with high tier armies and seeding everyone. Nowadays they're fairly insular
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>>172580061
reddit rats and two types of elves

You're delusional if don't think it won't sell faster than hotcakes.
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>>172580457
Nothing
Still N O T H I N G
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is there a mod which is changing these fucking kraut names?
josef, manfred, heinrich....
it's aweful
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>>172580786
I love TW:W, but making any argument trying to correlate sales with fun is pretty poor
Many game series have a great selling entry that is less fun than is predecessors
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>>172580973
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>>172578070
I want a Bloody Sunz faction, boyz.
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>>172580973
BY SIGMAR NO
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>>172580901
I don't mind them being insular most of the time - it fits well with their lore - but they should still have something like a Wild Hunt.

Since there's no winter/summer system, maybe every thirty or so turns they declare war on a random faction and then Orion strikes out. It can be weighed with a number of factors to make it a guided randomness - which factions are closest physically, which have in the past declared war or trespassed in Athel Loren, which have aided or ignored Athel Loren's enemies.
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>>172580973
This does NOT have my consent
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>>172580061
>but it doesn't make fun. the units are boring and looking weird.
>i tried 4 times but i can't play this fantasy shit longer than 20h.
m8
you may have autism

go see your doctor, it can be treated
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Is the tier 4 settlements mod considerd cheating?
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>>172581232
yes like every other mod...
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>enemy has flagellants

*unzips 10 quarrelers*
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>>172581232
Yes.
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>>172578256
>Kemmler is Mousillon
Well it's not exactly true
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>>172581115
That would be a cool feature. Admittedly if the player was on the receiving end it would seem a bit shit to get Wild Hunt'd, but I'm of the opinion that a bit of randomness never hurt. Wonder if it's possible, might take a look at the event system to see how it fits together.
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>>172580973
>is there a mod which is changing the kraut names of the fantasy german empire
why don't you make a mod that replaces all bretonnian names, they sound too French
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>>172578256
I still think it's pretty funny that CA decided to implement a Literally Who just to give VC yet another LL
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>>172581232
It helps the AI.
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>>172576481
THAT'S GOING IN THE BOOK
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>>172581360
Still a step up from "Kemmler is working for Mannlet".

>>172581510
Vampire Coast will be the pre-order bonus for Game 2. Watch.
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Okay, I don't get it.

What's the difference between the Gleaming Penant, which gives the unit a passive augment that gives +4 leadership, and the Standard of Discipline, which... gives the unit +4 leadership?

Is the Gleaming Penant, like, a morale restoring effect that restores it over time? Or do they both do the exact same thing in stupidly different ways?
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>>172581362
Eh, part of the point is to have shit happen, right? It's not like Bretonnia gets many Waaghs or beastman raids, and at least in my games Mousilion has just sat around.
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>>172580973
You are not welcome here, mein freund
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Can you tell who will win based off nothing but this single picture?
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>>172581232
You should use that and more building slots for capitals
The AI shits out army stacks

Play as a horde for more challenge
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>>172582083
Undead.
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>>172582083
Vampire Counts due to their superior IQ
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go peasant go!
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>>172582083
I'm going to guess the Brets - they have more mobility, and if you micro your knights well you can do a shitton of damage.

I once had a game where I almost won with 600ish Brettonnian troops against nearly 2000 skeles.
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>>172582083
>green has flankers and organised ranks of archers

I'm going to bet it's the red just because taking a picture of a battle you won by spreading flankers against a horde army makes no sense
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V A M P I R E C O A S T
A
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P
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R
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C
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T
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>>172582370
That's a big skellington
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>>172582370
wasn't there supposed to be also a raging boner or am I mistaking painting?
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>>172582370
>tarantula coast
>scorpion coast
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>>172582370
I so fucking hope for zombie pirates
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>>172582481
U U U U
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>>172582370
Is that high lord wolnir?
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>Marienburg tries to peace treaty me
>Offer 1000 gold as well

now I'm fucking insulted
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>>172582984
Ask for 10,000.
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>>172582984
Why to you persecute us so Empire Goyim
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>>172582890
CARTHUS STRONG
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>>172580061
>Third world autism

Fuck off back to youtube with this shit.
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G O B L I N S
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>>172583069
>>172583190
I already have Marienburg so should I take it?

2k is 2k after all, and overextending a shit
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>>172581651
One might be +4 leadership to self, and the other might be self and allies in range. Not sure.
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>>172583429
GONNA STAB EM
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>>172583558
What does Nord- and Middenland think of you? Because otherwise you only have to worry about the Warriors of Chaos.
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>>172583429
Bless you goblin poster
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>>172583558

Depends

Do you have military access with Boris?

If so, take them

If not, take the money and use it to slap zombies in the face
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>The most powerful spellcasters in Warhammer (aside from maybe that one elf faggot and Nagash) are a bunch of fat frogs that only wake up to wave a hand and wipe out whole armies at a time
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>>172582890
The probable inspiration for him.
Basically a giant spooky skellington going around killing people and augmenting itself with their bones to get HUGE.
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>>172583690
Do I really care what ulric worshipping demi-barbarians think of me?

>>172583781
I guess I'll do this, but first I'll raze the orc settlement west of me
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>>172583892

>I guess I'll do this, but first I'll raze the orc settlement west of me

Good idea

Bummer that you can't just tell the dorfs to move in and take it over for you though
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>>172583892
>Do I really care what ulric worshipping demi-barbarians think of me?
If you worry about over-extending, yes.
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>>172583892
and as if on cue this happens lul
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>>172584094
Why u went untrustworthy doe.
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>>172584094

>Skaelings worshipping Morr

whut
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>>172584219
Maybe attacking Marienburg without declaring war first? Does that even happen?

Not sure if i had any NAPs with them
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>>172584313
You were steadfast on the peace talks screen though.
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>>172584274
He just knows about him probably.
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I want to be dominated by a best elf!
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>>172584313

Nah that only happens if you have treaties with them (non-aggression pact, trade deal, etc.)

Or if you called in an ally to declare war on them and then just accepted peace within three-to-five turns
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>>172584274
He's just saying that dying before he gets to you would be preferrable.
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>>172584359
No idea then, I did nothing. In fact that happened on the very same end-of-turn as the marienburg peace treaty unless I'm mistaken
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>>172584492
Neither seems to be the case, given that he was Steadfast until he accepted peace, and Marienburg wasn't at war with any other factions during the peace talks.
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SOON
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>>172530384

My bad, forgot about that. They really ought to be more ubiquitous.


Also what's the likelihood it'll be a repeat of Warham 1 with Daemons being DLC? We seem to always forget about them in Skaven/Lizard/Helf/Delf discussions.
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So, anything new lately?
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>>172584880
Probably not. They got hell for it the firs time, so this round's pre-order bonus will probably be something tamer.
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>>172583856
Tzeenchian demons are more powerful when they have home field advantage; demons in general have their powers tied into the power of chaos in the area in lore
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>>172584964
Not much
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>>172583429
I've gotten myself the Skarsnik DLC but I got no idea on how to play his campaign
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>>172584880
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>>172584814

NO

I will accept Pepe Slann if I must, but not this
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>>172584814
BY SIGMAR NO!
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There any mods that fix Balthazar Gelt?
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>>172585208
official patches already did m8
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>>172585208
>Modding perfection
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>historyfags thought it couldn't get worse
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Mazdamundi is the only living Slann to have broken free from the sleepy haze of chaos. He's 100% active, and has called for the genocide of all warmbloods as the only solution to save the planet.

Do you stand with Frog Hitler?
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>>172584814

LIZARDMEN ARE ASEXUAL

A S E X U A L
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>>172585336
Really? What'd they change?
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>>172585565
Made lore of metal not a joke mostly
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>people excited to play lizards gay elfs and rats
>instead of being excited to purge these fucking shits with Sigmar blessed black powder

Disgusted tbqh
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So, what other races sub faction we can get in New World
Vampire pirates, some human colonies i think and goblins in Ulthuan
What about Dark elfs area?
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>>172585405
I'll twist him out of space-time!
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>>172585405
well... a genocide of all warmbloods WOULD save the planet

I mean chaos cant get their psychic claws (or tentacles; suction caps; etc) into lizardmen so if they're the only remaining race chaos would just kinda die off wouldn't it?

he's not wrong
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We back, and, what the FUCK

I wanted this city to rebel so I could take it an exterminate it, and everyone inside decides that they're English? Fuck you, rosbif. All the more reason for extermination.
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>>172585835
Yup that is literally Mazdamundi's plan
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>>172582370
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>>172585403
>that subtle line
How hard is it to edit or import a model in a TW game
I have lewd experience
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>>172585924
aint a perfect solution but it's certainly a final one
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>>172585835
Aren't there just other places? Other planets, or in the sense of 40k, other galaxies entirely?
Why's Chaos so fixated on this particular place?
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>>172585405
Oi can git behind dat plan, were does Oi sign up? Does Oi git ta bring friends?
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>>172585875
>A random English castle in the middle of France and whatever the heck you are territory

Are they serious?
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>>172585790
> not!North America
Dark Elves, tribal humans who have all been enslaved, Hung tribes, Beastmen, Greenskins, one or two High Elf outposts

> not!Central-South America
Lizardmen, Amazons, Old Worlder human colonies, the undead of the Vampire Coast, probably more Greenskins/Beastmen, Skaven Clan Pestilens, Pygmies

> Ulthuan
High Elves, unless someone else has landed an invasion
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>>172585405
If his plan wasn't a Tzeenchian plot I would
I mean do you seriously believe the one crackpot extremist just happens to be the one to "break free" of chaos is just a coincidence?

I'd like to remind everyone that 9 times out of 10 coincidence is enemy action when chaos is involved
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>>172586184
Mind your own business!
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>>172586138
Warhammer fantasy occurs on it's own little planet
Chaos happens to be fixated there because there's big ol chaos rifts at the north and south poles of the planet, and the setting in general isn't as over the top as 40k so chaos isn't this ridiculously powerful entity where the greater daemons of chaos are immune to most things less impactful than a tactical nuke
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>>172578530
>not downing a bud light with your homies while listening to basic bitch hiphop and smoking a Marlboro (TM) cigarette
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>>172586281

Mazdamundi is the last of the Second Generation Slann, and the most powerful living caster in the Warhammer World. He crested the Mountain Range blocking the Dark Elves from invading Lustria in an afternoon.

You should trust this frog, he's going places
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>>172586138
probably because the Slann are there
>>
so...

I just attacked a Greenskin tribe's WAAAGH! and their main army refused to join their alliance,

kek
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>>172586575
that doesn't exclude him from being a piece in a Tzeenchian plot
No one is safe from the manipulations of Tzeench; we must be ever vigilant!
and hope that isn't what Tzeench wants us to do
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>>172586138
There are other planets, but as far as I know they aren't inhabited or anything. All we really know is that they exist.
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>>172585405

Durthu is Tree Hitler

Masdamundi is Frog Mao.
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>>172587374
Mao only succeeded in killing millions of his own.
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>>172577030
>This kills the Todbringer
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>>172581617
>Vampire Coast will be the pre-order bonus for Game 2. Watch.

Won't happen because in order to play it you'd need to own the original game.
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>>172577708
Fucking police wrote me down because i was asking too many questions in defense of my best bro. They didn't looked like police at all and looked more like thugs. There was five of them (and probably even one of them could beat the shit out of me and my friend) and showed badge only for a split second. They searched my bro without warning and made a photo of his ID card. I asked why the fuck they did that as i never seen or heard about making photo of someones id card and demanded from them to show badge again while disregarding their demands to back off. Fortunately they showed their badge again and then i backed off. They proceed to write down where i live (i'm not sure if i told them everything right as i always confuse my postal code) and then they fucked off. I wasn't even drunk so much. Those faggots with whom i was at the party had much weaker head and was talking without sense all the time and that police didn't do anything to them at all while i and my friend talked about games and what the fuck we are even doing at this party when we could be in our homes right now. I fucking hate police in my country.

Where the fuck is that trailer or any info about warhammer 2. I want to hear some good news because after this i'm not going to sleep anyway.

>>172585403
>>172584814
And fucking furrfags are hijacking my favourite general now.
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>mulching entire formations of rodents with well aimed mortar shots, eviscerating their army with rocket blasts, destroying their oversized hamster wheels with cavalry, before sending a steam tank causing their army to scurry back into the sewers in terror
>cooking thaggoraki fucking shits to death from afar with flame cannons, before turning them into foul cowardly pincushions, with the few who aren't turned into odorous puddles by blasting charges before reaching your lines quickly having their beady-eyed heads separated from their bodies courtesy of a dawi az
>gleefully watching thousands of rats shit themselves and flee when they realize for every zombie or skeleton they kill, another rises to take its place, only for their retreat to be cut off by nightmarish monstrosities that would make their brutish creatures tremble in fear
>Choppin' up lotsa gurly rats, laughin' ter yourself while givin' dim a propa beetin' an tearin' thruu their "elite slugga boyz" wif ease
>Trampling hordes of hornless craven creatures that are below even the lowest ungor, before feasting on the masses of putrid flesh left behind by their rancid corpses
>Slaughtering the wannabe nurglites, reveling in the bloodshed as their pathetic weaponry glances off of your armor, adding dozens of skulls to Khorne's throne with every swing of your axe
>ambushing any vermin that appear within athel loren, swiftly, silently, and effortlessly picking off groups of rats with every volley, only for the remaining survivors to be turned into sub-par compost by forest spirits
>trampling thousands upon thousands of vermin beneath the hooves of your steed for the lady, serving Brettonia in the field of battle as even the most lowly peasants find themselves capable of besting rats in combat

Soon

>>172579232
labor/build times are directly tied to siege hold out times in vanilla, so the marienburg lord probably has a bunch of skills to boost their hold out time
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>>172587659
>strategical
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>>172588120
That sounds like some identity theft scam shit.
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>>172585970
Not possible in TW:W, I think due to Games Workshop legal fuckery. Modders have to get by with reskinning and bashing together existing unit models, but they can't import or create anything new.
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>>172588291
The plan to steal pots was strategy, executing the plan was tactics. He probably executed his pot-stealing plan perfectly, making him a good tactician at least. I bet those pots couldn't muster any strength to resist.
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>>172588114
wat
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>i play on anything less than legendary
>i use artillery
>i use lightning strike
>i abuse the ai into wasting ammunition

if you do any of the above, you are a shitter.
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>>172586781
Tzeentch has so many different plots running constantly at cross purposes to each other that it's really not worth worrying about. Yeah, any action you take MAY be directly advancing ten Tzeentchian plots, but there's just as good a chance it's also advancing ten other Tzeentchian plots directly conflicting with the first ten.
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>>172583871
that sounds pretty nito xd
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>>172588126
The Marienburg port alone gives tons of siege holdout time by default, and that's not even taking other buildings into consideration.
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>>172588620
A Vampire faction would require the Vampire Counts to play. In order to play VC you need to own the original game. It isn't going to be a preorder bonus because the preorder bonus needs to be something that idiots who only decide to buy the second game can play without owning the first game.

Keep in mind the second game will also get bombarded with negative reviews anyway since the Skaven main faction will start in the Old World, and third worlders will whine about CA cutting them off from content. The only way I can see them not whining is if both maps exist regardless of whether you own the second game or not and hence owners of the second game can play a campaign in the Old World but only as the Skaven.

And if that's the case then CA should consider making Beastmen and Wood Elves and Chaos Warriors compatible with the second game since there are undoubtedly whiny idiots who will complain that they don't like any old world races except the Elves or whatever and complain that they can't buy the Wood Elf DLC because they don't own the Old World campaign.
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>>172588707
What if I do ALL of the above?
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>>172588992
I hate poor people so much
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>>172588992
Vampire Coast is its own army list, anon. It's as close to the Vampire Counts list as the Tomb Kings are.
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>>172588992
>A Vampire faction would require the Vampire Counts to play

There is literally nothing preventing CA from releasing a new world vampire faction separate from the old world vampires

Skaven may have a position in the old world in skaven blight, but there will undoubtedly by a Clan Pestilens position in Lustria paired up with Lizardmen
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>>172588707
I play Von Carsteins on Legendary
I use Blitzkrieg Hammer and Anvil with surgical strikes on enemy Artillery
I dont use lightning strike
I dont abuse the AI into wasting ammunition
I am still a shitter.
>>
Do Norsemen worship any non-chaos deities? Also, I read somewhere that they worship Khorne and Tzeentch as these animal deities which grant blessings based on honor in battle or cunning- so do they know they are actually worshiping literal giant demons or what?
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>>172588827
The more I think about it, the more sense it makes to me. I mean, you're supposed to attack the enemy where he's weak, right? Now ask yourself this question: where were the Romans the weakest? Where their army was, or where their cooking pots were? If you look at it that way, it suddenly makes a lot of sense. Hindsights is 20/20, and I don't think it it was at all that easy to tell before hand. Even looking back with all the facts, I think it could have gone either way.
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>>172589568
They worship lots of gods. Their most important/prominent ones are the Big 4 Chaos Gods, but they also worship some of the various Old World gods in the guise of animals, like the Chaos Gods. I think that Ursun and Ulric are worshiped in the form of a bear and a wolf, respectively, but unlike the Chaos gods they don't give you cool mutations or massive suits of spiky armor so they're not as popular.
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>>172589176
if you're on 4chan you're not far off from them
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But what if it isnt Warhammer?
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>get untrustworthy for executing norscan raiders after battle

bravo ca
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>>172588707
>I play my singleplayer game the way I want and don't seek validation from 4chan generals or youtube comments.
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>>172589915
Where do rich people post
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>>172588707

>good
>guilty
>good
>guilty
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>>172588992
Making the whole map available to everyone who buys either game alone makes sense from a business and gameplay perspective, really.
They want to be able to sell all the DLC across the same platform/game, splitting up customers doesn't make too much sense.
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Been stuck like this for hours.
Any help, or anyone else stuck like this?
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>>172588707
>if you play the game you're a shitter

Thank you for your valuable input.
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>>172589893
Why does anyone want to become a suit of armour anyway? You don't get to drink or fuck or party or anything.
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>>172589893
Do they know that Khorne is a giant demon sitting on a skull throne or do they just see him as a giant wolf or as an "all father" like Odin?
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>>172589568
The different tribes have all sorts of different objects of worship. Some venerate nature spirits like rivers and mountains, some have complex pantheons that encompass different aspects of Chaos, and some claim a great ancestor who managed to make daemonhood as a personal patron.

Each Chaos god has a thousand names among the Northmen, and usually their understanding of the Four only gets solid once you're a Warrior with patronage and blessings.
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>>172589938
Riot
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>>172590000
/vip/.
IT'S EXACTLY 90,000!
>>172590183
Since '06.
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>>172577426
But half of our shitposters will die to attrition alone!
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>>172590183
It gets "stuck" when it's doing the install process, which can take a fair bit of time. Make some tea, have a quick wank, and relax.
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>>172585875
We keep taking from Brittany, we keep exterminating Bretons.

>>172586184
I think it's because the faction that owned it before I did (me being Navarra) was England, and I think the culture is mostly English as well.
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>>172590000
/vip/ ;^)
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Bros, im really excited for the reveal tomorrow and at the same time really disappointed because I'm all likelihood it'll only be a cinematic and we are pretty weeks if not months away from gameplay. How do i temper my hype so the waiting didn't hurt so much?
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Suicide before or after the announcement?
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>>172588402
They have the right to wrote me down, my not-autistic friends told me many stories of how they were wrote down durning party. IIRC often police in my country have an order to make a norm per month of stopping persons, giving fines, catching for exceeding the speed limit on road and so on. So autisitic me and my autistic friend were probably an easy prey. But making a photo triggered the shit out of me. Lazy cunts are even too lazy to write someone down and prefer to made a photo of his id card.

>>172589938
I would be happy too.

>>172590183
It took some time for me too. Just wait.

>>172590659
Call of Warhammer is expected to have an update in few days. Or play historical
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NO! I WILL NOT BE COMPELLED!
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Randomised start positions, yay or nay? Give it some fluff like "Super Tzeentch has throw the world into disarray!"
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>>172590195
Sort of both. They know he lives in the north on a giant throne of skulls, but they typically depict him as an animal rather than a demon. Typically they just worship the Chaos gods because that's what their tribe worships and don't really put too much thought into it.
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>>172590195
Generally none of the Norse tribes have any idea of the true nature of the Chaos gods - they sometimes even split up the gods into multiple aspects for various things. Even if it's just the four, they usually don't fully understand them, or their relationship to them - they think they're the most blessed people with the closest contact with the gods, who might be their ancestors. They only really begin to understand it if they become Warriors of Chaos.

I imagine they'd see Khorne as an Odin-like figure, but a wolf wouldn't be that strange. Apparently at one point the Kurgan tribes worshiped a mammoth as their main deity, and only turned to Chaos once he was killed.
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>>172590691
do a murder-suicide
murder before
suicide after
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>>172591072
i'll give it a go, might reverse the order though
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>>172577380
No Markus wulfhart?
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>>172591072
suicide before, murder after
>>
GRILL THEM
BRAISE THEM
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>>172591198
>>172591160
kill yourself
raise yourself
KILL THEM
RAISE THEM
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How do we know this new TW is Warhammer

Am retard, sorry
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>>172591379
They recently said the next history title wasn't even in production yet.
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>>172591379
TW: Aztec seems far-fetched and all signs point to an Aztec/South American theme; ie. Lustria
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>>172591379
Temple on the announcement video looks like a lizard pyramid. Someone also found out the filename of the video has warhammer in it.
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>>172591379
Apology accepted :)
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>>172580973
You strike me as the type of person who dislikes floppy hats as well.
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>>172590530
Mmm, that's a hefty body count. God will know his own, right? :^)
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Just found this YouTube channel, which does overviews of notable historical battles (and fictional ones like Visby too)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx-dJoP9hFCBloY9qodykvw/videos
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>>172591379
Animal screeches that don't sound anything like real animals for one
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>>172591898
Alright! The Bretons come to me for peace for the 80th time, and I finally get them to give me a city. My coastal empire is beginning to take shape

So! I'm only at war with England, but I super don't plan on invading them because I have all the territory I need right here. I think I may start picking on Savoy - Genoa and the Piedmont are nice coastal provinces that would complete my Mediterranean lake.
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>>172592072
>Visby
>fictional

t.Gotlander Yeomen
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>>172592359
A small English force materializes out of the rivers and attacks my besieging force, making this a field battle. I'm still going to utterly crush them.
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>>172585053
Nasty Skulkers and Wolf Riders are your best friends. Try and hit from nasty angles. You gotta fight dirty.
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>>172592324
Real animals can sound pretty crazy mate
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>>172592780
I think the trolls in the LotR movies used horse-screams.
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>>172580560
>>172580753
Why they haven't made a Don Quixote character who is blessed by Myrmidia
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Wonder if CA will do anything with Tilea and Estalia in Warhammer 2. Do they even a have a unique look in the tabletop? Or are they just another bland "totally-not-the-empire-no-sir" faction?
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>>172592780
Yeah but the ones in the stream sound like they've bbeen run through a computer to make them sound even weirder
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>>172589270
>There is literally nothing preventing CA from releasing a new world vampire faction separate from the old world vampires

Except of course that undermines the people who purchased the first game

>>172589208
http://sgabetto.free.fr/Telechargements/War.CZombiePirates.pdf

Not very many units 2bh

>Skaven may have a position in the old world in skaven blight, but there will undoubtedly by a Clan Pestilens position in Lustria paired up with Lizardmen

Indeed, I never suggested otherwise?
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>>172593436
They're pseudo-Italians and Spaniards, so if they have any unique appearance it will be in the shape of NotConquistadores if they're in Lustria.
If Dogs of War get added, there are some Tilea and Estalia regiments that include pikemen, I believe. But, they were never fleshed out anywhere near to the extent of the other human factions.
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>>172593570
>Indeed, I never suggested otherwise?

>Keep in mind the second game will also get bombarded with negative reviews anyway since the Skaven main faction will start in the Old World, and third worlders will whine about CA cutting them off from content.
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>>172593436
Tilea has named characters and had their own army list at one point

Given that one of Tilea's cities is part of Estalia in game I don't think CA gives a shit about them.

Estalia is just "that place that got invaded by Arabyans 1000 years ago"
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>>172592780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbmObjwrB5U
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>>172593798
Reread that a couple of times and you'll figure out that I was saying that the faction named Skaven specifically will start in Skavenblight.

I never said there wouldn't be a Clan Pestilens faction, only that poorfags would be buttmad that of the two LLs the Skaven race start with one would be inaccessible if CA doesn't have the Old World map always connected to the New World map regardless of which game you own.
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>>172593803

Tileans are lame anon.
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Would you be upset if they released TWW2 and it didn't have a unified campaign map linking Old and New?
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>>172594375
don't even fucking joke about that anon
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>>172594375
Yes, because that's been the point of the whole warhammer thing, to have everything together
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>>172594375
Yes. I'd probably still buy it because I like the game too much, but I would be very upset.

SEGA better not be reading this
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>>172594002
I can do better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlxnXMWO-jk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8s_lYORrDo

Marsupials make some fucking spooky noises
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>>172594570
>those koala noises
no thank you
>>
>stolen from enemy: Armor of Destiny

o yea
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>>172594570
First time I went on a hike and heard koalas at night it scared the fuck out of me. Didn't sleep the whole night, just huddled in my tent holding a mallet.
Brushies make a fucking awful racket too, specially when they fight a cat.
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>>172594665
>>172594746
The koala is just a red herring. Pay close attention and you'll see the real source of that sound.

Man-Bear-Pig.
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Which of these cunts is best?
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>>172595337
epyrus
play it on legendary
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>>172594002
>When your grandpa wants to eat at Outback but your grandmum wants to eat at Chili's
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>>172595438
>play it on stat inflation mode
hahaha ur a funny cunt
>>
>>172595515
Careful, lad. You might agitate the autists who waste all their spare time on Legendary instead of doing useful things like cuddling with your girl or going out with the lads.
>All things are good in moderation, even Total War
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I've lost all my dwarven reaction pics, can someone pls dump some.
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>>172595337
SPARTA
HELLAS
THEN AGAIN AND AGAIN
SING OF THREE HUNDRED MEN
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>>172595697
>meme faction
release thyself from the grip of this board
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>>172595337
Epirus. Sparta are boring.
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>>172595337
>massalia
interesting start location, hybrid greek/celt units

>sparta
le ebin 300 super heavy half-naked boy-lovers

>athens
nerds with good hoplites and naval stuff

>epirus
Illyrian/italo-attic/greek. Has access to elephants

>Syracuse
island greeks
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>>172595691

No.
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>>172589968
>tfw you realize that you're letting a bunch of strangers on the internet affect your perception of yourself and what you're doing, and that you'd have been better off not knowing what anyone else thinks about anything so many times in your past
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>>172595691
>>
>>172595791
>No
SLAUGHTER
PERSIANS
GLORY AND DEATH
SPARTANS WILL NEVER SURRENDER
>>
>>172595691
Berserk Total War when?
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>>172596098
When the manga ends
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>>172590191
It's mainly religious devotion - you want to keep serving your god as a warrior or whatever, so you become a more direct servant of theirs. You're willing to give up those worldly things to serve your deities.

>>172595691
>>
>>172594375
I just wouldnt buy it or anything else warhammer

I got into this because they said all the maps would link together
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>>172596331
>Not "That's_A_Grudgin'.jpg"

You dishonor clan and hold
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>>172589893
I think Ursun is the Kislevite religion specifically
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>>172596523
>having to let people know what the joke is

Take the Slayer Oath already
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SOTEK
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>>172596697
>Thinking pointing up the obvious doesn't accentuate the humor

You've got the brains of an Elf and the wit of their treemen
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>>172596974
I really hope the lizardmen are meaty

I like my lizards thick
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>CA uses loon/diver noises for ambient Amazon jungle animal noises
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>>172597103
Only saurus tho.

Skinks are meant to be small and cute
>>
How the fuck do I win in the Greenskin campaign the dwarfs constantly rek me
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>>172597197
>people still saying china
i cannot put into words my rage

>>172597224
They're not shitty gobbos anon. They are ottermode twinks.
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>>172597359
Get peace with them then wreck all the orcs to your south

Then rekt all the dwarfs

All you have to do is beat them in battle so they lose their armies then they will want peace.
>>
>>172597364
CHOINA
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>>172597224
Tehenhauin is freakishly ripped for a Skink.

Probably from slaying so many ratmen
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>>172596974

>STILL using worst art

REEEEEEEEE
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>>172597497
ITS NOT FUCKING CHINA

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

AND CHINA IS A SHIT SETTING

FAAAAARRRRKKK
>>
>>172597359
Beat the h*ck out of everyone, get your Waagh
>>
>>172597567
>>172597364
Ah the horrible Models. There art is awesome, but they've never translated well to the tabletop.
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>>172597615
>CHINA IS A SHIT SETTING
>>
Why is there an "and" in the thread title?

Is this not the Warhammer Fantasy Total War General?
>>
>>172597690
>Absolutely fucking nothing for thousands of years but chariots, crossbows and peasant spam followed by the worst use of explosives in human history
FUCK OFF
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>>172597654
I find his model to be pretty good, the old Saurus models are fugly though I hope CA does them justice with how cool they are in the art
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>>172597585
>this tablet says your a faggot
>get off my pyramid sssssssssssuckers!
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>>172597748
Historyfags like to ruin the fun with their boring games
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>>172592636
Perigeux is ours, and a lot of people are gonna be slain hehe :)
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>>172595691
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>>172597945
>...men of great virtue and valor
>"lol imma killem all huehue"

i hope you get excommunicated
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13 hours
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>>172598274
*and 6 months
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>>172597945
Don't bully English Boys
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>>172598261
>allowing perfidous albion to exist
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>>172597615
>thousands of years of history
>the rise and fall of several empires, kingdoms and petty states, well into the modern period
>"a shit setting"

I could understand someone saying that about Africa. I'd think they were wrong, but I could understand that. But everyone knows that China has some real awesome shit.
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>>172577708
>go for a drink tonight
>topic of 4chan comes up
>all my friends think it's an alt-right cesspool
>agree that it is, but also say it's very anti-capitalist because it constantly protests retarded shit like cut-content and is one of the few places you can get help pirating shit
>they try and defend game developers being ripped off as if they're the main profiteers of their own trade
WHY DO PEOPLE BELIEVE SELF-PROCLAIMED ALT-RIGHT MEME-MAGIC???
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Man if I dont see CGI raptors tearing tercos soldiers throats out i'm going to be pissed off.
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>>172597945
>hehe :)
kill yourself my man
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>>172595691
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>>172578232
>1 more sleep left until something is announced that i'll be able to play in a years time
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>>172598732
What if it's already ready and they surprise release it
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>>172586557
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>tfw TW:A is best game in the series
>tfw its modding community is completely dead
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>>172597759
>implying we wouldn't get fantasy-esque shit with Gaun Yu and Lu Bu legendary lords
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>>172597359
What >>172597616 said.

On my Grimgor campaign I got a Waaagh by turn 12 which took the whole of Barak Var whilst I fought off dwarf stacks.
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>>172598856
>terminus total war released a few months back
>new mods every day
>dead
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>>172598826
Wouldn't ever happen.

Releases work by building hype and this example is a prime example of that.

They've got months worth of shit left to build hype with if there's as much content as people are anticipating.
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>>172595337
>>172595438

I never managed to play Massalia on legendary and not get turbofucked by barbarian shits
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>>172597197
>people still trying to argue that it's a historical
>TW youtube account picture is of muh lady of the lake
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>>172597945
So Nante was the city we got in the peace deal with Brittany, but it revolted out of our hands, so we're going back in even if it means war. Gives us a chance to deal with the rabble, at least.
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>>172599424
That's the Fay Enchantress.

Though I can't hate you too bad for not realizing - she does not have the HEUG HEADRESS of her art and model. And for some reason she's not the secret elf that she was in the actual lore? She honestly does look a lot more like the design for the Lady of the Lake than she does for the Fay Enchantress - and I get that she'd look similar to a Prophetess. but there's still a problem here.
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>>172598826
Took em nearly 6 months to do Wood Elves
If we are to understand that Warhammer 2 has been developed parallel to Warhammer 1 DLC
6 months x 4 = 15
So expect release in Augtober
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>>172597359
Long method: Go south, not north. Absorb green skin forces and build up your strength, then come back with Black Orcs, Giants, and giant spiders.

Short method: Take just enough to field 2 armies, fight until you get 2 Waaaghs, bury Dwarfs in orc corpses until they suffocate and you win.

Also make sure you take the red skill line immediately. Basic Boyz are trash and you need every buff they can get so you can survive to the mid game.
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http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/704361604/133261124633368956/

News for people who use Steel Faith

tldr; He's gonna stop updating it if CA doesn't step up their game with development and AI continues to be awful
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>>172600012
What a little fuck boy.
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>tfw stuck spending ages raiding my way through norsca because SOMEONE has to do it
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>>172598603
>implying Africa: TW is bad
Kings vs Kings, sounds like the continent was made for it
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>>172599910
Should I just destroy other tribes or make them join confederate? I still don't get the point of doing that, I just get a bunch of shitty settlements no troops
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>>172600012
He's a whiny little pissbaby but he's got a point
I'm kinda sick of seeing greenskin hordes with only savage orcs
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>>172600012
He's having an autistic bitch fit worthy of Radious.
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>>172600012
He's right, the default AI recruitment behaviours are completely retarded for some factions. How CA's gameplay designers think entire armies of artillery or cav are enjoyable to fight is beyond me.
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>>172600012
But SFO sucks. Literally the only good components of it (more attrition based battles, better unit stats, better artillery, better magic, better vampires, more skill points) have been copied in other mods- mods that surpass SFO. And in those mods, some shitty backwater settlement for the greenskins doesn't magically have a garrison of 20 units including 4 black orks!
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>>172601215
Sometimes I think CA should completely redo campaign and just make it as barebones as possible, like Dice Wars level simple, then at least we could have more battles and fun armies maybe, without playing the game of figuring out what boneheaded task the Campaign AI is trying to do.
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>>172601215
Are you saying you don't enjoy fighting 19 chariots?
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>>172601215
Just download an increased building slot mod. The AI gets trapped into those armies because they lack enough building slots to diversify their forces.
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>>172600012
>>172600358
>>172601001
>>172601026
>>172601215
So can we just stop talking about this POS and go back to Attila?
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>>172601506
no
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>>172601426
Yeah, and he changed the skeleton animations. What a fucking moron.
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>>172601476
That still sounds like a retarded oversight
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>>172601506
>attila
>even remotely good
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>>172601696
I didn't know Gobbos came in white :^)
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>>172600012
Thankfully never wanted to replace all my mods for that one


Mod author is a dumb idiotic arrogant piece of shit who doesn't even like the game he's modding, what else is new? The less drama queen bitching motherfuckers we get in this community the better
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>>172601629
It is, but it's easy to fix. The mod I use is only for capitals, meaning a highly developed province can field a very diverse army. It makes sense too, the idea that a massive city like Altdorf can't have every military building is asanine.

This also makes the game more fun for the player, no more running units around the map, or having to suffer the cost of Global Recruitment.
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>>172600907
Smash one or two armies of your immediate orc enemy, confed them. Take what you can keep from their units and dismiss teh Lord, teh AI is too fuckingretarded to ever skill Orcs right.
Build up Black Crag's main building, it gets a crazy garrison that can basically tank one army.
Karak Azul will go crazy after you confed, just look where their army is going and
Use your army to pillage and then occupy the shit the Azul faggots left uncovered. They will mostly try to get teh shit you have in the southern badlands, south of K8P. You should be able to just grab up what tehy have on the map edge.
If you have a settlement somewhere where you have enough time to actually build a wall, do it now.

Don't spend any money on the shitholes you just overran, if there is a rebellion, fucking ignore it.
A couple of turns of this should leave Azul with one faggot stack razing or besieging your shit, and nothing else.
You should have spawned a WAAAGH at this point, and be rolling in cash. Start making a 2nd stack in Black Crag, and use the WAAAGH to kill the shitty rebel stacks and help your army kill the rest of Azul
Proceed to build a boss tent and garrison with wall everywhere, confed other orcs or something, use your stacks plus WAAAGH armies to be the fucking green tide.
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>>172581362
The empire has random events that lower diplomacy status with other factions right? Can you have random events for AI factions that affects their diplomacy status?
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>>172601696
I don't have a bait image on me but If I did I'd post it at you so just pretend ok?
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>Late Roman soldiers look ba-
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It's here lads. It's time. Hype it up BOYZ! WE'Z GUNNA SKIN SOME SKINKSES!!!

12 hour hype
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>>172594210
I would unironically pay money to play a campaign as Borgia the Besieger
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>>172601629
It's also partly why Wood Elves have the potential to do so well and shit on the other AI when their aggression was left unchecked. Their homebase is so strong they can overcome the faults of their AI to pose a threat to a player through brute force alone.
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>>172602353
*vomits*
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>>172602353

Gee THANKS christianity.
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>>172602353
stop
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>>172595515
thats the joke you autist

epyrus is already hell to play on normal
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>>172602353
Funnily enough the Lorica Segmentata made with the techniques available in 4th century Europe would offer better protection than that chain mail


So it's ugly AND inneffective
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>>172602375
I don't remember the moon looking like that
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>>172599705
I mean, the point of my post was that any claims that it's a historical TW announcement can only be hilarious when TW has that youtube picture.

But I guess an aspie warhammer post correcting me on my lore can only reinforce the point.
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>>172602353

Seeing shit like this makes me wonder if the germans were actually the good guys here.
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>>172586975

The terrifying truth is that the empire had scientists train a telescope on those planets.
They found titanic, visible from another celestial body sized Ork skull symbols on the planets surfaces so it was kept secret.

Not really but in 40k they did train some tech instruments to check out other galaxies. Like radios or something. And all they heard was "Ere we go ere we go ere we go WAAAAGH". So the universe is full of orks.
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>>172602925
Man, I had no idea you were going for that point. It's not even really a great one - why would TW give away what they're doing by changing their profile picture to something historical? They're probably just using the picture from the Bretonnia update - it's not like they've changed it to a Skink prematurely.
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>>172589938
Then I lose a bet
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>>172603242
orcs are based
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>>172603242
I'mma need a source on that last one. Tyranids should win against Orks - you could argue that Orcs in WFB would win because there's nothing else quite on their scale that could oppose them, though.
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>>172602489
>>172602578
>>172602661
>>172603046
what's the matter with you fags, Late Romans look great
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>>172603470
Not him, but it probably has something to do with how Orks release spores that grow into new Orks when they die.
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>>172600012
I knew he was a shitter ever since I read this thread:

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/178867/why-vortex-spells-dont-work-title-changed-to-avoid-confusion/p1

Everyone in it is talking quite intelligently about the different ways to fix vortex spells which actually have amazing damage values and he just winges that they suck whilst completely missing the point.

He's a shitter who doesn't even understand how imbalanced he made things.

There was an anon posting yesterday about how his lore of metal wizard was soloing entire armies with SFO and it just made me pleased I never bothered with that shit.
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>>172603546
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>>172603470
Orks are stronger the more of them they are, because they believe they are the best. With their latent psychic abilities, well... get enough of them together and they really ARE the best.

In some galaxies the Tyranids could win, and in others the Orks win. Depends if they manage to hold on long enough for a Beast-type to appear.

That'd be a funny thought. If Tyranids were coming into the Milky Way not to feast but to run away from a galaxy filled with hyperadvanced Orks
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TODAY'S THE DAY
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>>172602795
>would offer better protection
false
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>>172604026

>Trailer comes out
>It's the lizardmen yay
>Carnosaur sounds like Jurassic Park T-Rex
>yfw
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>>172603546
The officer looks okay, and I know that lorica segmenta wasn't really that common.

But still...eh. You go from 'sexy roman' to 'grungy medieval man'
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So, what's going to be the big issue in Warhammer 2, like chaos in 1? I feel like if it's just another chaos invasion it'd be dumb, what do you guys think?
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>>172604218
True.

The Lorica Segmentata is categorically better than the Lorica Hamata in everything except ease of maintenance.
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>>172604026
>tfw I'm gonna go to sleep now, in time to wake up just before the announcement

Time to fast forward lads.
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>>172604446
Chaos invasion with daemons
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post yfw its more fantasyshit

>mfw
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>>172604496
>in everything except ease of maintenance.
i.e. the single most important thing to the average soldier, who will spend 99% of their time not fighting
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>>172604446
rats
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>>172604446
The chaos wastes extend across the northern hemisphere, connecting the two continents.

Chaos has been known to invade the Dark Elf lands as well
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>>172604446
Skaven uprising is the logical threat.
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>>172602353

Good taste
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>>172604623
I was thinking it could be something different, I don't know, like a legion of humans arriving on the coast and trying to plunder absolutely everything.
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>>172604557
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>>172604575
Which wasn't a problem when the army was actually professional and the supply lines were properly maintained, instead of a bunch of shitheads mumbling about Yahweh.


Takes a generation of especially retarded Emperors for an Empire with slaves to do those sort of things to fall into the disrepair both Roman Empires fell
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>>172604557

Dont worry, anon

The next historical game will blow all the fantasyshittiers out of the water
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>>172604575
You spend 0% of your time not fighting if you're dead so I guess you're right in having peasent tier armour.
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>>172604446

probably the reddit rat menace

>tfw going to slaughter filthy dumb rat scum

you fucks should have stayed underground where you belong
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>>172604575
So you'd rather have less work on the time spent not fighting even if it meant less protection when your life was at stake.
Congratulations, you're exactly the type of dumbshit idiot who slowly caused the collapse of Rome. Good to see things change little with time
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>>172589967

>my karl Franz got "Likes Chaos" after fighting and executing Chaos nonstop.

I guess it could be kind of taken over by cornflakes.


>>172603470

http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/40k-army-fluff/98169-whats-outside-galaxy.html

"Orks. Seriously. A probe was sent during the Great Crusade and it came back nine thousand years later bearing a recorded radio message chanting "Orks, orks, orks, orks," over and over again."

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskScienceFiction/comments/1pi7f2/warhammer_40k_have_any_of_the_races_around_today/
"During the great crusade, the imperium sent many deep space probes that were later recovered. Some of the probes that left the galaxy and returned came back recorded Ork like signals."


Someone said http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?170053-Extra-galactic-concerns
"Someone will mention the space probe that was launched from Terra 15.000 years ago to explore the universe, and that it still only picks up the signals from orks. They may forget that the probe is still in the milky-way, and slowly traveling through real space. 15.000 years ago, the galaxy was trapped in the super-warp storm, so the probe had to be launched in real space, and is still quite near to Terra.

I mention this before some people may do any mistake about how wide-spread the orks might be."
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>>172603616
I like how the unit sizes have more diversity in SFO
Low tier crap units with 120+ combatants
Elite tier units with much smaller counts
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>>172604762
Supply lines and professionalism actually increased in the Late Empire, because equipment was manufactured by the state.
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just had a thought

if they do naval combat in warhammer, could they have sea monster and ghost ship encounters?
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>>172604912


http://www.garbo.org/40k/Konviktz/K-kultur.htm
>And this is exactly what has happened, Orks are to be found throughout the known universe and probably throughout the unknown universe as well. The Eldar say that the Orks have become part of reality itself, or as the Orks say 'We are the Orks, we're 'ere 'cos we're 'ere, enuff said'. Millennia ago, a probe was sent out from Terra. Its mission was to reach the utmost limits of the universe. The Techpriests who built it hoped that one day it would arrive back to its place of origin having circumnavigated the universe, or in other words, skirted the edge of reality. This probe is still sending back signals after fourteen thousand years adrift. The signals are faint and the probe is not yet on its way back, if it ever will come back. To the utter despair of the Imperial Techpriests who constantly monitor the incoming signals, many are identified as Orkish. The depressing conclusion for mankind can only be this: that wherever they go, the Orks will always be with them.
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>This mod's goal is to create a more cinematic, visceral experience.
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>>172605206
haha lazy dog
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>>172596274
he did nothing wrong.
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>>172604575
>My smiths are getting too stupid to make proper Segmentata
>My soldiers are getting too dumb to properly maintain it
>Instead of getting better smiths and training better soldiers let's just use a stupidly inferior shit armor!

The imbeciles of the 4th-5th century are similar to the imbeciles of the 21st I see
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>>172605279
How about all the rape, murder and betrayal?
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>>172605027

I doubt CA would be creative enough to do that, but sea monsters as units would happen. Dark elves apparently do an aggressive harvest of sea monsters from the boiling sea (West coast). The Kharibdyss is even used on land, so I'd expect to see it as a unit.


On a different note, what's the difference in military playstyle for dark elves vs high elves? Which has heavier units, better ranged, better magic?
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>>172600012
This happens to every modder. Beware boys, no matter how pure your intentions may be, once you start modding, eventually the autism will take you.
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>>172598907
We wouldn't though.
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>>172605338
I always assumed it was a scale of production issue, e.g. how many Hamata can you make for the same labour cost as a Segmentata? Roman empire was pretty big stuff hey, probably needed to armour a lot of men and women.
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>>172605027
There's dubious grounds on which they probably won't be able to use Man-O-War ships, which kind of puts a dent in that.
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>>172604895
>>172604847
>>172605338
Roman armor in the Late period was far superior to the stuff they were using earlier. The mail they were using covered the full length of the arm and went down to the knee, so it was more protective than Segmentata was. You'd be better off with a Late Roman mail shirt than you would with lorica segmentata.
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>>172605553
GOOD
Fuck ships
Fuck boats
Fuck the sea, and everything in it
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>>172605340
He did nothing wrong anon.
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FREAKING
SOON
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>>172604446
Mongol invasion that begins with a cinematic trailer for Medieval 3
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>>172605743
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>>172605740
Cheers to that. These games tend to suck when it comes to naval combat. Aside from Empire ya know.
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>>172604557
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>>172605535
Like most things, it was a manner of improper education.

The Segmentata is about as costly as the Hamata and it's also faster to make. It is, however, a lot harder to produce than the Hamata. It requires a competent smith and proper knowledge of metalwork.

As the Empire grew bigger the teachers were heavily outnumbered by the students. After a few centuries, the practices of making the Segmentata weren't widespread enough to arm entire armies.

There have been some findings that show some Emperors tried to "modernize" the Legions of old and bring back the Segmentata, but (obviously) they failed. Still, most elite bodyguards used this armor on top of a smaller chainmail coat.
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>>172603470
>2003

It's weird how shit from the 80s and 90s looks dated as fuck but the stuff from 14 years ago still looks normal. I guess art styles haven't changed as much.
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>>172605707
The Segmentata protected the areas it covered far better than a Late Roman mail shirt. The better protection would be a chainmail + Segmentata combination
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>>172605843
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>>172594746
First time i ever heard koalas I was high as fuck out near the Murray, Seriously sounded like some demon summoning was going on. Terrifying fuckers.
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>>172605967
Okay, in a sense it sounds like that classic manufacturing story; a good product that can only really be made by experts gets displaced by a "good enough" product that can be made by illiterates.
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Now what?
>Turn 13
>Confed Talab turn 8
>Stirland turn 13
>Most of my territories trying to revolt
>Hochland+Norrland are the only ones without Imperial aversion that I could confed from here
>Both at war with me
>Ostland too big to confed

So do I just hold my ground, put down the revolts and get some captains out to stablize then do a war of aggression to seize Averland+Wissenland?
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>>172605338
>>172604895
>>172604847
Where's this idea that chainmail is "inferior shit armor", "peasant-tier armor" etc. coming from? The average peasant isn't going to have any armor at all. Roman mail was the best armor you could possibly have, everyone wanted it, Germans and Huns went on oftentimes suicidal raids just to get some.

Lorica Segmentata was an ultimately flawed experiment. Good armor needs to do more than just be good at protecting your upper torso.
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>>172605383
One is edgy

The other is pretentious

Wood Elves are best

As a side note a week or two ago I had a dream about the Chaos Dwarf trailer which had Chaos Dwarf sorcerers throwing slaves into belly of Hashut's idol while drums were beaten in the background. It was bretty cool.
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>>172604390
>You go from 'sexy roman' to 'grungy medieval man'
Anon if you can I want you to pick out for me which one of these men is a grungy medieval man and which one is a Roman soldier

Take your time as you said they were basically the same thing
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>>172606281
Because /twg/ is retarded and has never even seen chainmail, let alone have any clue on how effective it was and gets all its knowledge from recreational """combat""" videos where two dudes hit each other with sticks with no intent to kill each other or smash the living shit out of chainmail thats bolted to a log and claim that proves its crap instead of the literally hundreds of years of historical documentation that states "They fucking rekted that army because they had chainmail and the other side didnt, sorry barbbarbs"
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>>172606259
MARIUS LEITDORF WHEN REEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>172604762
>Which wasn't a problem when the army was actually professional and the supply lines were properly maintained
You say that like there has ever been an army that has ever had perfect supply lines

Its literally one of the most important parts of warfare, and is just as flawed and often war ending as battles were.

Literally the biggest problem with TW right now is that supply lines, or supply or any type, doesnt exist. I would fucking kill for a HoI style supply system to make it into TW, it would actually make the warfare magnitudes more interesting.
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>>172584814

is that the result of this incident?
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>>172604771
>yfw its china total war because CA wants to get into that market
>and its the same as shogun 2 with every faction having the same boring units
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>>172606037
Many of the 00s artists grew up with Warhammer, adapting an artstyle that put together the best aspects of grim, dark, and green. Love that era. Still doesn't hold a candle to the classic Sword & Sorcery masters, but then again who can?
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>>172606369
all elves except dark elves are SHIT
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>>172605383
They were creative enough to do something similar in Shogun 2 with the black ship.
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>>172606629
Im not asking for source

But...
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>>172606281
Well, first, the Hamata was only adopted by the army widespread after Legionaires lost their social hierarchy. A coincidence surely, but it helps the Hamata's association with Peasentry.

Second, the Segmentata was by no means a flawed experiment. It was the best armor of its time and one of the best of the times which came after. The best combination for defense was light chainmail + Segmentata, or vests + Segmentata for anyone not strong enough (IE most men).

And finally, while in a humanitarian perspective protecting soldiers from mutilation is indeed important, a soldier can keep fighting after losing a limb. The same cannot be said if a blade is jagged deep in their stomach.
A unit of men in heavy armor which only protects the torso will usually outperform a unit of men in light/medium full body armor. And again, the Segmentata could be outfitted as an extra layer of protection on top of lighter chainmails, and most historians agree that the reason its mass production ceased was a logistical and technological (=Dumbshit Emperors and Dumbshit Smiths) matter, not an efficiency one.
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>have many complaints about TW:W
>still can't stop playing it and loving it
>Attila saves collecting dust
>never finished a Shogun 2 campaign
help me
pls
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>>172606629
GET THIS SCALIE SHIT AWAY!

God damn it. I was so excited for Lizardmen. But now the fucking furries and scalies are here in force!
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>>172606472
Lol
What a stupid idiotic whorish piece of shit argument
Armor is better than no armor who would have thought?

The Romans would have rekt the barbarians during the Segmentata times if they were using chainmail all the same, and vice versa. Same way a F-15 can outmatch a fucking Spitfire, doesn't mean a F-22 isn't a better choice in most situations
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The thirst for Asia: Total War is strong apparently. In chat for the countdown there's a guy constantly claiming the background tower is a pagoda, and it's going to be southeast Asia.
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>>172607131
Nice strawman, maybe actually read the post instead of getting upset and reactionary nice time.
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>>172607148
I have subzero interest in China: Total War
But I would love SE Asian total war, so much goofy fun shit in that region
>m-muh white elephants
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>>172607148
Honestly I would be pretty upset if its Asia. Its an honestly awful period.
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>>172606629
sauce pls
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>>172581232
No, the AI benefits too
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>>172606661
I doubt it. None of the past Total War games are even localized for China. Just because the game would be set in China, does not mean that they would sell it there. For example, Shogun 2 isn't available to purchase for the nips even though it is set in nipland.
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>>172606864

just google "lizardman amazon warhammer rule 34", anon
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>>172607317
>when search histories are now public and sell-able by internet providers
I feel sorry for the dude who has to read this shit.
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>>172607181
I read the post. It's a shit argument anyways, reading it more won't make it less shit, it'll make it smell worse.

The chainmail is a good armor, no doubt about that. That was never the argument you mouthbreathing pathetic waste of oxygen.
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>>172606909
there's nothing wrong with this, enjoy the things you enjoy regardless of how much others enjoy them
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>>172607406
>still refuses to read the post
Okay then, you just stay ignorant and angry while agreeing with me then.

last (you)
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>>172607405


make him earn his pay
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>>172606369

I know themewise but I mean in terms of combat. The 1d4chan said Dark elves were "Rank and flank" (hammer and anvil) but with ranged or melee foot instead of cavalry. They also had crossbows, high elves had a lot of great sounding stuff but still had a quantifier of 'light' armor. But I guess that's light compared to chaos or dwarfs.

>>172606371

This is just my preference but for me:

-Republican Roman is the best overall, primarily because of the time period and opponents but everything is really solid with it.
-Imperial Roman (1st century and 2nd) is the worst because of basically only two meaningful enemies ("Germans" and Parthians). The farting around in Dacia/Sarmatia/Judaea/Britain is brief and the only unique things the Dacians have to the "Germans" is falx and sarmatians, the only thing the britons have is woad and chariots. Otherwise the empire is too stable and secure (Barring a brief 69AD crisis) which is great if you're living in it but terrible if you're trying to play a wargame of it - same reason a lot of history has focused on grand wars and political intrigue.

Late Roman doesn't have as much enemy diversity as Republican but it has plenty more than Imperial Roman, it has more civil wars, more variety in armor and units, it suffers if you go 5th century with the despair and crumbling down of the apocalypse but if you go 4th century you avoid that.

If Imperial Roman were 3rd century crisis more and less Five-Good-Emperors it would have a bit more going for it.
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>>172607131
But a F-22 is a straight upgrade over a F-15

Lorica Segmentata provides overall less protection, is harder to maintain, harder to make, and its use is pretty much limited to heavy infantry. In return for these drawbacks, you get slightly better protection across your torso.

Also for some reason people are forgetting that scale armor became astronomically more widespread in the Late Empire. Squamatabros ww@
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>>172607292
Asia isn't a period mate, it's a geological location.
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>>172607572
Asia has periods, all Asian periods are shit.
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>it's a /his/ pretends the Late Romans weren't the ultimate envy of all their contemporaries in every respect because they don't like the fact that Rome converted to Christianity episode
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Lizardmen aren't rapists. They would sooner slash an amazons throat then touch her boobs.
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>>172607634
Nah mate period's the interior lining of the uterus sloughing away, shit comes from the other hole
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>>172607498
Treating an animal like an animal deserves to be treated is not being angry.

And I read your post. Again. It's a shitty post defending a shitty argument. If you'd care to provide a counterpoint then fine, but the post itself has no more content than my response deserved
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wtf late rome isn't real rome why didn't they keep their traditional armor????
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>>172607665
Thankfully GW saw the scalie threat coming from a mile away and made their lizards asexual, formed pleasurelessly in pools of organic soup
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>>172607665
>then
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>>172607538
>Overall less protection

Against slashing, sure. Against literally anything else? Nope. Obviously if you were using the Segmentata alone like Early Roman armies used it offered overall less protection than a full chainmail plate, but efficiency wise even the Segmentata was leagues above the chainmail and it could be bolstered by auxiliary armor.
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Anyone keeping an eye on the stream? The cucks desperate for an historical game are hilarious
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>>172607658
>>172607750
>png
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>>172607750
>little plate of bronze lying on your chest
>"""heavy infantry"""
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>tfw you will never wear sexy as hell late Roman armor into battle
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>>172604446
Well, there will be raids from Dark Elves, like what happens when Chaos is getting ready to invade. I imagine it might be some sort of Skaven attack that's the big issue - they can strike so many areas at once, and destabilize whole regions with plagues. Might have to have the Lizardmen or the Old World factions drive them back to their burrows.
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>>172607658
Funny the ultimate envy got sacked twice, it's empire thrown in splinters and the last surviving descendants of its legacy carrying almost nothing of its influence.

Christianity wasn't the cause, inbred stupidity was.
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>>172607859
me on the right
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>>172606259

kill vamps to become buds with southern emp and open trade with dwarves
wait until mean ol archie comes knocking and your imperial frenemies suddenly want to huddle together to stay warm
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>>172607665
And it seems an Amazon would do the same vice versa. For a rape jungle there seems few opportunities for actual rape. Though I'd prefer a unit of amazons working alongside the lizards as a fun gimmick unit than them murdering each other.
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>Plagues will be a big deal
>As lizardmen, the only units completely immune to plague attrition will be Red Crested skinks, and that one skink lord of Sotek
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>>172607750
Why does that Legionaire has two swastikas in his shield?
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>>172607859
I dont understand how these fuckers can be so stupid

There is a fuckhuge post by CA about everything they are doing right now, and it explicitly says that nothing historical is even close to being started let alone done.
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>ywn be a principe
>ywn be a roman soldier before the empire was thrown into shit
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Could the move from Segmentata to Hamata be explained by the declining popularity of javelins and other heavy close range missiles in favour of archery. particularly the light bow kind?
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>>172605338
You realize that Lorica Segmentata wasn't actually that common for most of the Roman Empire's history, right? It's expensive.

It's not that everyone was stupid, it's just that cheaper alternatives were more appealing due to the general destabilization of the empire.
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>>172607957

>Now we will have vampiric corruption, skaven plagues, chaos corruption.

Granted it'll probably be that any traits that decrease vampire/chaos corruption will be made to decrease skaven too. But that'll suck for some people in the southlands - having chaos, vampires and skaven all t once.
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>>172608068
>>Plagues will be a big deal

>Skaven agents give you a bit of plague each turn
>some global event like 'Skaven uprising' will happen randomly and increase its stat a little bit
>you'll be able to counter it 100% by building the new "Skaven control" building for each race
Yeah, big deal.
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>>172608150
Tfw you'll ever live the Cincinnatius life
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Been playin sum vanilla Empire: total war.
After having played warhammer for so long i forgot how complex the diplomacy and building of that game was. But holy shit the battle AI is completely fucktarded, Warhammers battle AI is streets ahead and i'd say good enough, aside from magic use.
CA just needs to focus on campaign AI behaviours. I think in making the switch from mostly generic samey factions to unique ones they kept the same generic building AI and it doesn't know what to do with itself.
Autoresolve needs to be gimped for the player as well I think, will force the AI to be a bit more aggressive and make autoresolving less tempting.
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>>172607148
I think it's more amplified by people going 'it's not Asia,' with shitposters joining in on both sides. Legitimate desires turn into back and forth shouting.
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>>172608215
>make the witch hunter building a separate building from the warrior priest
>the witch hunter building counters all skaven uprisings or chaos rebellions
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>>172608035
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Suggested Doomsday End Game Events
Archaeuion Arrives (present in game)
Nag-ass Returns (Super Vampires?)
Horned Rat Champion Rises (Skaven)
Greentide! (Mass Orc Invasion)
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>>172608079
It was the style at the time

The swastika is a pretty common symbol throughout the many cultures of the world
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>>172608459
It's funny what lengths GW has gone to justify every faction murdering the shit out of each other or working alongside each other. This example is pretty good, but some of them seem so contrived.
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>>172608764
I mean, with a wargame that has to be something very heavily considered. But it does get stupid to have Tomb Kings forming an alliance with Ogres to oust an invading force of Dark Elves and Bretonnians.
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>>172608592
Random chance at one of the 4 Chaos Daemons spawning with an army
Brettonia spawns crusaders to fuck your shit up (if playing as evil faction)
Lizards decide to fuck your shit up for no raisin

Random events of escalating scale throughout the game would be good.
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>>172608950
well at least the ogres won't eat the tomb kings, seems more legit than any of the other ogre alliances by that merit alone
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>>172609005
Like that Bretonnia idea
Dark Elves could go on Slave Runs too I guess
Almost makes me think every faction could have some kind of Grand Event which makes them do something cool
Like if you bully stunties enough, a Great Grudging happens and they rally big armies to settle the grudge or die trying
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>>172608950
>skellies put on one of their famous feasts
>ogres devour everything the skellingtons "eat" after it drops through their rib cages

A match made in heaven I say
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Lizardmen are asexual; they probably dont even have genitals let alone sexual arousal
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>>172608192
>not killing all enemies at once
By Sigmar, are you a craven?
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>>172608950
no that makes sense actually
ogres are highly mercenary in nature and as long as the tomb kangs are willing to shell out some of that gold they've got everywhere (which iirc they don't have a problem with, might be wrong there) yeah the ogres would fight with the tomb kings
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>>172609203
>autism the race
Compare that to high test skaven who each have several thousand children per male and several million children per female. Wow, lizards really do suck ass.
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>>172609162
There's already the wild hunt, there could be a vague campaign by one of the Empire provinces or the High Elves, Wood Elves have the Wild Hunt, a great leader of Chaos or the Northmen leads an assault on a faction (not End Times level shit), the Dark Elves could have a huge raid or just do smaller raiding everywhere like the Northmen already do to a degree...
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>>172606259
Kill Boris and Nordland.
Confeding is for nerds. And too much of it is going to fuck you over when chaos comes and public order can't be solved with just a festag. Besides, it really is a waste. The growth and trade one is so much better.
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>>172609373
>Skaven calling Lizards autistic
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Reddit Rats will be a fuckin DLC ffs
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I aint been playing much games lately but Total Warhamz has got me obsessed playing it a fair bit.
I'm thinking of building a new PC just to get a decent experience out of Warhammer (atm load times are shite and i can only get about 25 fps on medium settings).
Tell me bros, is dropping ~$1.5k worth it? Will it fill that void in my life? please say yes
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>>172609373
>unlimited sex without risk of pregnancy
Try harder rat, you're never gonna be sacrifice material at this rate.
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>>172609843
It'll create a void in your pocket! haha ;-D
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>>172609843
1.5k? anon a r9280x and an i54690k tweaked a bit will net you ultra, between40- 20fps while zoomed in in a big battle.(and thats because the gpu is old)

If you want to be a madman get some ridiculous 1080 and you could arguably go for an i7 but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4rWXXarYV4

i7 really is quite comparable to i5.
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>playing TW:W as beastmen as I do
>trying to focus on the game
>keep having to stop to fap to minotaurs
God fucking damnit Sega.
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>>172609843
>1.5k
for graphics a 1060 would be good and for load times just get an ssd.
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>>172610015
280x doesn't have enough memory for ultra textures
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desu if you don't think Late Romans were /fa/ u r a pleb
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I need my qt3.14 amazon waifus
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>>172607658
Christianity and abrahamic monotheism in general are pretty fucking shit, but the late roman army fought under polytheist leaders and those sympathetic to them as well. The actual problem is that the Classical Imperial and Diocletian era roman army have top-tier aesthetics and the late roman army does not.
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>>172610118
yeah unless you grab a saphire 280x with 3gb mem, still its total war, but regardless I'm updating my saphire 280x to a 1080 within the hour, I'll post when I install it with the difference in performance. I expect much higher zoomed out frames, with zoomed in frames maybe being 10-15 higher than the 280 on ultra
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>>172610015
>>172610092
Dealing in Australian "please fuck me over with import taxes and shipping fees harder" Dollars here. I'd be comfortable spending 1500. Could get an i7 with that budget, probably wait to see what Vega brings before deciding on a graphics card, would like amd but erryone saying 480s don't cut it. I'd only be playin 1920x1080 tho.
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>>172610015
>30 FPS

What is this garbage? What do I need to run this game at 2k, ultra graphics 120 fps?
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>>172610275
>implying latest romans weren't the best looking units of all total war
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>>172610171
There all lesbians
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>>172610385
>120 fps
What is this rubbish? What do I need to run this interactive experience at 8k, low graphics, cinematic 24 fps?
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>>172608592

I like the idea of Brettonian Crusade >>172609005 . Have it be varied depending on campaign developments and behind the scenes choose-your-fate events. So maybe you get an event as the Dwarfs involving the Brettonians and if you choose the thing that insults them and the lady of the lake you get the crusade declared against yourself later. However it could also be an event from a not-player faction. So you might be orks and it might be a Brettonian Crusade against Vampire cunts because of something they did. If Chaos has invaded however the Brettonians will not declare a crusade against any order aligned faction.

Like the idea of the grand Greentide coming from the badlands or beyond the edge of the world mountains. >>172608592 Also like the idea of Nagash and horned rat champion. Also Dark elf slave raid, >>172609162

HIgh elves in their whole world police (and I may be mixing it up with the eldar but I know the eldar act to predict/prevent something in the future from unfolding) business could mean they enact a global edict that anyone doing/pursuing/reaching XYZ will have all the high elves make war on them with avengeance.

X could be have a mage of the lore of death reach level 10-15, or reaching a certain imperium level, or allowing a certain level of Chaos corruption to take hold in your provinces. Lizards could have something similar for that latter bit.
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>>172609373
Most skaven never get to breed though. The skaven already struggle with overpopulation in some senses enough, with how many skavenslaves and clanrats they have - they're not going to let just anyone stick their DNA into the rat breeding machine. And it's not even physical perfection they look for - they look for the guys who are smartest and best able to get orders done.
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>>172610425
>put dragon heads on the end

I really hope these aren't a meme unit
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>>172610425
Technically you can call the byzantine Romans late roman, but I was referring to the roman army of the late antiquity/early middle ages. Doesn't really matter though, byzantine Romans do not look any better then Imperial or Diocletian era Romans either.
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>>172610151
Gotta admit, those guys look pretty cool. Scale is awesome.

But what's with the heart shields? I vaguely know what the dragon/whale standard is about, but could someone remind me?
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>>172610275
>The actual problem is that the Classical Imperial and Diocletian era roman army have top-tier aesthetics and the late roman army does not.
Possibly my least favourite meme
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>>172582358

wrong as fuck

>>172582083


bretts. VC charge in, get drawn into pikes, arrows, arty, bretts hold line and flank with cav
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>>172610151
>>172610758
>png
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>>172608459
>>172608764

>two opposing armies land in your country intent on plundering your pyramid
>your army's too weak to fight off both of them
>why not make them fight each other - and then pick them off once they're weakened?

contrived GW reason or legit strategic ruse?
I'll let you decide.

>>172610459
Sure.
That's why they're my waifus.
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>>172610670
>byzantine Romans do not look any better then Imperial or Diocletian era Romans either
fucking shit taste namefag kill thyself
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reminder of the pecking order
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>>172610849
Didn't Thailand do this with the British and the French back in the day?
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>>172610275
>the late roman army does not.
Honestly I think people think this mostly because there's not a lot of popular art to do with the Late Roman army.

There's like one guy who's responsible for half the art that comes up when you google "late roman army art" and he's honestly not that great.

Whereas you can look at pretty pictures of 1st century Roman soldiers till the cows come home.
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looks p aesthetic 2 me tbqh
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>>172610758
Meh doesn't look all that good mang, Looks way too much like medieval infantry with roman style helmets. There are reasons for that obviously, but they just don't compare visually to some of the guys that came before them.
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>>172609843
I got a 1070/6700k and I cant even max settings

I can hold 4k at 40fps though which is pretty nice, as long as its only 20v20.

For load times all you need is an SSD.
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>>172608764
>This example is pretty good
>>172610849
>I'll let you decide

I already did?

I'm talking more examples of situations where players do a 2v2 of Lizards and Chaos vs Dwarfs and Greenskins and GW (lovely) obsession with making player battles fit the canon. Those battles usually have some really contrived circumstances though all of their efforts though.
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>>172611214
>dem cataphracts
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>>172610628
Too bad they forgot to apply eugenics to the female side.
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>>172611229

Hot damn I was really looking to upgrade to 2k in celebration for the new game, am I not even going to be able to get 60 FPS with a top of top of the line CPU/GPU?
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>>172611113
That or because the Early Romans look genuinely unique, while the Late Romans look like they were procedurally generated from a mediocre medieval RPG
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>>172611042
Sort off, but they lost a lot of clay( Laos, Cambodia). When WWII happend they retook some clay when the frenchies were busy getting rekt and then they placed a big monument called Victory Monement.
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>>172610459
How do they reproduce?
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>>172611380
I love shit like that, putting in a big monument to celebrate an unimpressive victory
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>>172611373
>Early Romans look genuinely unique
yes look at this unique early roman there would be no mistaking him for a soldier from any other part of the world for sure
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>>172611390
They have magical/drug induced futa cocks.
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>>172611390
Parthenogenesis.
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>>172611390
they don't, that's why there are no models of them anymore
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>>172611438
They really see it as an impressive feat.
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>>172611229
fuck me, nothing can run this game at max. I can deal with toning down a few settings I spose. MoBo is too old to upgrade piecemeal (on an i5 2400 and an Amd 6950 at the moment) so if i've gotta sink money I may as well get something decent.

If CA get their shit together and get a DX12 version that works will we see performance improvements for all? or is that just a pipedream?
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>>172611390

They don't.
They survive by:
1. Spring of eternal youth
2. Invaders usually bring their camp followers (hem hem) with them - which are (usually) a lot more smarter than their male counterparts.
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>>172611373
>Late Romans look like they were procedurally generated from a mediocre medieval RPG
At this point the Republican Roman look is probably more done to death than the Late Roman look.

When's the last time you saw one of the Late Roman helmets with the metal crests in anything that wasn't a Total War game?
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>>172611214
When you say late Roman, I say early Byzantine.

I know that the Byzantines stick heavily to old Roman traditions, in armor and art and propaganda, for centuries. But the Late Roman army looks distinctly medieval to me - it's not too different from the armies of the Franks two centuries hence. It's not ancient anymore; it's medieval.
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>>172610275

Diocletian era tends to fall into the late roman more than imperial and early 3rd century. Beards, the pillbox hat, ect

>>172608764

It's believable and not too contrived in Fantasy, it's fucking ridiculous stupid in 40k.

>>172610712

One of the Notita Dignitatum shields. http://lukeuedasarson.com/NotitiaPatterns.html While there's debate as to how accurate the ND is since the version we have is a medieval/renaissance recreation of the original, some period relics do point to similar (and in one case the same) designs.

http://lukeuedasarson.com/ComesDomesticorum.html - the hearts.
http://lukeuedasarson.com/ComesDomesticorumW.html
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>>172588707
>i play on anything less than legendary
yes
>i use artillery
yes, it's fun watching units getting squashed by artillery
>i use lightning strike
no, not wasting skill points on the blue line except for +10% movement
>i abuse the ai into wasting ammunition
what? I don't abuse the ai in any way because there's no need to on normal or hard

I'm a proud shitter!
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>>172611617

I'm pretty sad. I was going to go out and upgrade my computer for ultra lizards but now I don't know.
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Talking about representation of Late Romans, in vanilla Attila it's actually kind of bad.

The Late Romans literally wrote a big ol' book filled with the various shield designs that Late Roman Legions had, in both the Eastern Empire and the Western Empire.

And then CA decides to make it the one time they opt for model variety and give everyone in a unit different shields.

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>172612006
yeah Fall of the Eagles is a huge improvement. It's a shame it'll never get finished.

OR WILL IT

no probably not

>tfw no Celts
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>>172612075
it got updated today, so hopefully one day it will be finished
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>>172611773
>When's the last time you saw one of the Late Roman helmets with the metal crests in anything that wasn't a Total War game?
man i love those things. i think there's one in that shitty Barbarians Rising series the history channel did. only it was being worn by Hannibal in the 3rd century BC instead of a roman soldier in the 4th-5th century.

swing an a miss i guess
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>>172612267
I sure hope so. I don't like having to play as inaccurate Celts. It rumbles my autism too hard
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>>172612006

For all the flak R2 got, rightfully so and all but it did a better job on unit appearances by a long shot and also in general design. People bitch about "200 different spearmen" but in Attila they followed this really cockamany system where units upgraded into completely unrelated (in origin/recruitment/function) units and the prior level was completely gone, resulting in this weird situation of like 8 unit tiers for infantry and being completely unable to recruit basic bitch levies at a certain level. Plus sometimes upgrading resulted in worse stats, not better. But it wasn't depicting a barbarization of the army, it might be an Auxilia Palatina that is worse in stats than a legio that preceded it. Then the old ability of tech unlocking is removed..sort of. You can still re-activate it but it doesn't show up on the UI so nobody knows unless you spell it out in the description that tech X unlcoks unit Y.

And the unit appearances. I cannot bitch at CA much because they have to put together the full game while a modder just has to do cosmetics, we can use some of their material as a starting point or import stuff without worries of legality. But I just hated how the mail looked - the plunging neckline >>172612006 the "modern day re-enactor" level of wide and huge holed mail, sleeveless mail jerkins. Just so much that looked really ehhh.


>>172612075

I am working on it again. I finished the land_unit stats for norse (I almost wrote orcs) and celts, so the next things are to do unit abilities, unit recruitment, those are the big things, then it's a series of other tables. Got distracted with the empire campaign I started up but will be back on it in a day or two.

After my side of that and trying to do some balance/tweak notes I made (lower HP or unit size of generals since I remember an ancient complaint about superhero generals) Just need Dresden to do the unit-cost calculator and then upload it.

That doesn't cover the slavs or naval stuff though.
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It's just gonna be a few minute long cinematic :(
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>>172612434
I'm lucky enough to not know what's wrong with the celts, so ignorance is bliss.
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>>172612463
based modder
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>>172611367
>>172611617
I would say even a 1080 wont hold 60fps in a 20v20 on max settings.

That being said, you dont really need 'max settings'. Ill post a comparison.

Here is a 4k image, with AA and TF turned off because
>using AA or TF when downsampling 4k
As you can quite clearly see, its fucking gorgeous.
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>>172612463
Neat

Keep doing what you're doing my guy
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>>172607065
fucking rats and lizards... its going to suck.

the worst part is neither race has females in the traditional sense so its either going to be all gay furry shit too. unless spawning pools and skaven breeders do it for them too.
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>>172612463
>(I almost wrote orcs)
What's the difference :^)
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>>172612796

I was going for 1080 Ti, 7700 for my next build. I hope to god that at LEAST gets 60 fps.
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>>172612796
And these are the settings that I run for 60fps

Ill post the settings next, fuck these long post times though god damn
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>>172613060
And settings

>>172613001
That would very likely hold 60fps with everything maxed
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>>172585403
>>172584814
>>172606629
Get that scaly shit out of here.

Lizardmen are literally asexual robots made out of flesh, blood and scales instead of metal and circuitry, and the magical spawning pools are their equivalent of a droid factory.
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>>172612434

Bear in mind in the interests of lack of some material and trying to differentiate the three there's a little bit of creativity at play. Like Caledonians didn't exist more or less by the 5th century but I rigged up the idea of them being perhaps a seedling for the future Romano-Britons (Strathclyde was located north of Hadrian's wall I think and yet became a Romano-British state)

I'm also not really sure what role a chariot should have. Stats are not my strong point but I was able to follow Gunny's stat system for units until chariots came along since there was no counterpart before. I gave them scare foot and scare horse, 20 javelins (horse jav have 10ish), but an absurd level of charge seems off to me for wicker things dragged by little shaggy ponies. So I scaled down the charge.


When I am done with FOTE I will create a guide (a spreadsheet on google) that will help people with editing the stats themselves. The main issue being I used CA unit entries whenever possible but it didn't always correspond to the unit because of the aforementioned weirdness (like 3 different Norse spearmen all of the same general nature).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H8Jx5yknr3Plk0hiEuEKR5fvzQPxGcb2wMAmw9oAxmA/edit?usp=sharing This is a copy and paste of my land_units spreadsheet, though the roman and some german entries are old and not up to date. But it gives you a sense of how it works.

Column A might be the ingame name (Auxilia Palatina Lanciarii, or what I am looking at right now "Teuluwr Cerbydau (Household Chariotry)". Column B would be the unit type and tier. Column C onward would be the land_unit entry.

Continued next post
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>>172611015
>Norsca
>Human

Subhuman is right, even Araby is higher up.
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>everyone keeps saying warhammer 2
>not warhammer new world, or warhammer expansion
Fucking millennial's dont even know what a god damn expansion is

i feel like a fucking old grumbler
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>>172613471
>(like 3 different Norse spearmen all of the same general nature).
I always hated this shit, feels so unintuitive. At a certain point they should just let the players design the units themselves (e.g. unit creator -> select what weapon, shield, armour, training level, count, etc -> game prices it -> bam recruit)
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>>172613806
The site literally called it warhammer 2
Its probably just a shorter name for the sake of convenience but its better than throwing out random names
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>>172613806
Uh sir it's an "standalone expansion", or as I've taken to calling it, a "standpansion"
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>>172612471

>2 minute long CGI
>No mention of the old friend anywhere
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>>172613837
>At a certain point they should just let the players design the units themselves
Honestly I think the TW community is so god damn stupid they couldn't handle it
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>>172613471

I would explain how to copy the land-Unit entry from key to unknown51 column. If you do it right the PFM lets you do it, and then all you have to do is check 2 boxes that do not carry over from spreadsheets. "Is male" and one other I forget. If you fail to check is male you have female voices for the male unit.

PFM can sometimes retard out so I'd do a step by step guide like I did in an image macro for /twg/ when someone wanted to know how to take FOTE skins and use them in vanilla. I don't have that image handy atm.

Then I'd explain a quick bit on how to use the spreadsheet to easily organize stuff. Like sorting it so unit types (by that column B) are in order, meaning if you put in the right text (Lancer - T1, Lancer - T2) and it's alphabetical it will sort it so you can quickly have your T1 spearmen, T2 Spearmen and so on sorted in order. That makes balancing a lot easier - you can just go weapon column and quickly scale the quality of weapon or quality oif armor.

And for the celts I kept the "(Almost) every unit can deploy anywhere", most celts are raiders while for other factions they are more limited, a number can hide in scrub and not just forest and a few (Pictish 2h axemen, Dal Riata Sword and spear, Pictish crossbowmen, Pictish archers) can hide in grass too. So basically anywhere.
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>>172613471
Coolio

Afaik Irish and Pictish art doesn't really start up until the 9th century but since their clothing changed very little from the 9th century until the 17th it's probably safe to have them wearing similar stuff in Attila's timeframe.
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>>172613969
The old friend will get announced either during or soon after

It'll be the only respite between now and 2028 when Total Hammer War Expansion Stand Together comes out
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>>172585685
>Playing the normie race
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>>172585405
i love that comfy mount so much
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>>172580061
Units are boring?. Dont get me wrong i like historical total war but spearmen vs spearmen with different skins isnt that exciting
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>>172584814
Kill yourself.
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>>172605049
>The depressing conclusion for mankind can only be this: that wherever they go, the Orks will always be with them.
tf
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can someone give me tl;dr on lesser famous gods in the WFB like Khaine, Great Maw, Old Ones and Gork/Mork?
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>>172612267
Last update I see for it is March 30 of last year.
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>>172614641
Mork > Gork
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What faction in tww is the equivalent to Prussia/Teutonic order?
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>>172614774
Wood Elves
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>>172614732
oh shit I'm retarded, I got confused because it's march 30 of this year
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>>172614774
If you are talking Prussian discipline, then High/Wood Elves. An order of religious knights would be Brets or Empire depending on how you feel about gunpowder.
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>>172614641

Khaine: Elf God of War, Bloody Handed God.
Great Maw: A meteor crater that later became an actual god through Ogre Worship, eater of things
Gork>Mork
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>>172614968
MORK > GORK!
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>>172614641
Khaine: Perpetually angry brother of Asuryan, King of the Elf Gods. Likes war and murder. Is the primary god of the Dark Elves, although the Wood Elves and High Elves also pay homage to him in times of war. He's sort of like Ares in that people propitiate him but don't really like or respect him.

Great Maw: Some weird comet thing that fell onto the world and burrowed deep into the earth, coming out the other side. Is always hungry, and cursed the Ogres with perpetual, unceasing hunger.

Old Ones: We know nothing about any individual Old Ones, just that they showed up, created a bunch of lifeforms and set about ordering the world, only they somehow fucked everything up when they build giant dimensional gateways at the poles that Chaos poured in through. After this they buggered off and leave the Slann to clean up their mess despite the Slann not really knowing what the Great Plan entails.

Gork/Mork: One is the god of Brutal Kunnin' and one is the god of Kunnin' Brutality. Orcish theological arguments usually start and end with figuring out which is which.
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>>172614774
If you consider The Empire as Holy Roman Empire and Karl Franz as the holy roman emperor, than Reikland would be Austria and Middenland would be Elector state Brandenburg/Prussia, its biggest rival within the empire and from different religious sects.
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>>172615069
Why doesn't Karl have an Aussie accent then??
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>>172613990

You'd get a lot of radious armor porn and people not understanding why they can't field everything in superheavy armor without it costing an arm and a leg. Until someone mods it in that you can pay for all that armorporn at a pittance.

>>172613837

I am an odd man out for liking the gradients of multiple spearmen for a single faction, but I prefer it have a more tangible reason. Either differentiated in quality and price and in a meaningful way, or ethnicity with quality playing a part. I am a bit hypocritical in that on the one hand I dislike "Ten billion legionary regiments whose only difference is a shield emblem", but on the other hand I am a huge fan of the "Greek Catalogue of Ships" trope/meme. That's the fashion Homer started in listing the great nations of Greece going to war at Troy (and the trojan equivalent) that was emulated by Herodotus, Thucydides, down to the medieval Gestae Francorum and even Robert E Howard. It's where you have this exhaustive list of a multi-ethnic army. Not just "The Persians marched on Greece" but that grand catalogue of Xerxes' empire each with their own distinct contingent.

But I'm only interested in that ethnic/origin diversity for units if the appearance or role really justifies it. So for instance in a Carthaginian campaign I'd like the idea of a separate Celt-Iberian, Iberian and Lusitanian T2 spearman. But I am not interested in a separate Vaccaei (Celt-Iberian) Spearmen and a Carpetani (Celt-Iberian) Spearmen.

Though the more diversity you have the more you need to consider recruitment tiering. If you need a high end barracks to get to the unit, it's dubious you'll have more than one barracks in say, Italy. Which could mean you only ever recruit Etruscans because it's in North Italy.

I agree completely though, it'd be a dream feature for a RPG/Paper doll style of system to let you make a unit.
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>>172614751
>>172614968
>>172615010
>>172615038

is it something like goblins always worship mork and orcs always worship gork or is it entirely ambiguous?

also, why is khaine allowing dark elves to murder other elves if he is an overall elven god?
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I'll start an Empire campaign today, I am an old TW player but kinda new to Warhammer, what should I look out for?

Should I expand to Vampires and then north to Chaos, or can I stay safe and go south to Bretonnia? Can I take their lands?
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>>172615038
KHAINE?
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>>172614885
>>172615069
That's cool, i've always thought Averland was more Austria.
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>>172615149
good question. The Empire is a vague mix of German and British cultures so that might be the reason.
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>>172615280
Build walls on your northern cities to protect against chaos, else you will lose. Always fight against chaos with overwhelming numbers + garrisons.

Other than that everything is up to you. Conquer marienburg after securing Reikland.
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>>172615280
Have fun, don't take it seriously, genocide all non-humans (this includes Br*ts)
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>>172615215
Its ambiguous. Its all just for fun really

Khaine doesnt give that much of a fuck as long as blood is spilled. He doesnt actually care for any of the elves but since the Dark nerds worship him he throws them a bone every once in a while
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>>172615215
It's pretty ambiguous. All greenskins worship both deities and seem to use their names interchangeably. Just about the only person who seems to have a consistent idea of which is which is Wurzag, given that he pegged Grimgor as the avatar/chosen of Gork and Skarsnik as the avatar/chosen of Mork.

Anyway, Khaine is the god of murder. That's his job description. Ares is the god of war even when Greeks are fighting other Greeks, and Khaine is the god of murder even when elves are murdering other elves.
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>>172615038
Don't forget that the Lizardmen sometimes worship the Old Ones as gods, though I believe this has declined with the worship of Sotek.

>>172615215
He cares not from whence murder comes from. He even has a few odd human worshipers - a butcher who worshiped Khaine caused an outbreak of ghouls when he hid his victims among the meat.
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>>172615215
Khaine cares not from where the blood flows, only that it does.... oh wait, that's Khorne....
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>>172615424
Brets are pure human stock! It's not the peasants fault that they're inbred stinky idiots!
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>>172615215

At least in 40k there's no real difference from what I remember hearing. Save that maybe weirdboyz (psykers/mages) and perhaps orks dealing with tech might worship the brutally kunnin one, the more straightforward sorts dealing with the kunnin' brutall one.

>>172615280

>Expand into Chaos.

eheheheh.

1) Every single minor settlement should have the economic building (the generic one). If it's a trade resource settlement then you can give up the economic building but making a priority to have them in every settlement has made my life a lot easier in funding.
2) Every single minor settlement needs walls (T1 is just a garrison, T2 is a wall). Honestly even beyond your frontiers. It is infinitely easy for Chaos to either slip through with the AI's knack for bullshit forced marches you can never catch up to, or just beastmen spawning and fucking your shit or spawning off screen and fucking your shit.
3) Conquer Marienburg after >>172615381 what he said.
4) Remember that you need an armoury T2 (in the provincial capital) to get your high end units (Greatswords, demi gryphs, I think knights?), you need the gun-foundries in the provincial capital to get the meaningful artillery (In a minor settlement and you only get mortars). You also need to build your mage academy in Altdorf if you want it to get the highest level (which lets you recruit a level9 mage off the bat.
5) You can build the reikbarracks (lets you build reiksguard knights) in a minor settlement in Reikland. Don't waste a spot in Altdorf.
6) You can build your barracks in a minor settlement as the highest level does not require a provincial capital. You also should do this (eventually removing the barracks in Altdorf). But make sure you put up the T2 walls in that barracks else an errant raid can fuck you up.
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>>172614641
>Hashut
A chaos god in technicality and deity of the chaos dwarves. When the chaos storms ravaged the world, the dwarves in the east were cut off from their main body in the west, and having not been there long they weren't deep enough into the mountains to resist the storm, life was suffering for them and their ancestors wouldn't answer, so they called out for anything ANYTHING to stop the pain and suffering of their people, and this came in the form of a great firey shadowy bull in the sky, he stopped or atleast greatly lessened the effects of the chaos storm and the likes, effectively saving the dwarves out that way from extinction. As a result they could also channel magic which dwarves usually can't. All he asks for now is sacrifice, fire, slaves, industry, etc. Nice guy.

>The Great Horned Rat
Also of chaos origin if i'm concerned, not really sure how or why, but if you know Skaven, you'll know that paranoia and betrayal and inflated ego is the name of the game, now the only reason that anyone doesn't do this ALL the time is that the Great Horned Rat, who as their god is a more relatable Satan, will indeed gobble on their bones in the afterlife and eat them AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN until the end of never. Now in truth this doesn't stop them being bastards, but it does QUELL certain instances. As a result all things Great Horned Rat are pretty much the pinnacle of society, so like if you're a Rat born WITH horns, you're holy as fuck, also if you're Albino if I believe.
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8 (Eight) hours
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>>172615585
Khaine is way more sophisticated than Khorne. I hate it when people spout the Khaine=Khorne bullshit because it doesn't fit the mythology at all.

Khaine is more of a Morgoth of the Setting.
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>>172615772

7) You will want to build the sigmar church in a different provincial capital as soon as you can. Sooner you do and get it to T2 sooner you get the witch hunter who is the best agent-assassin (and at least on release was absurdly good at killing enemy heroes on the battlefield. Still the case? I dunno)
8) Nuln of Wissenland lets you build a unique building that buffs artillery. So if you can seize Wissenland early you could make that province your artillery factory.
9) Avoid alliances as they can drag you into unnecessary wars. Or just make sure your allies get along with most humans/dwarfs.
10) Make Karl into a lord-killer. I gave him a few of the defense boost to spearmen/halberdiers/ect but lategame his stack should be the best and not need it. Lesser lords can be lead from behind sorts.

I would not expand into Middenland, Hochland, Nordland, Ostland, or the Wasteland north of Marienburg (maybe if you can get it early and do the T2 wall). Let them be a buffer where you fight chaos on their turf. Talabecland is a pain to get from Kemperbad (easy marching distance from Altdorf) to the capital of Talabheim (Have to cross forested marshlands) but Talabe is easily enough to defend. I did well with a mid game confederacy with Talab who had seized Ostland's southernmost two cities and was able to make it a defensive bunker so far with success against chaos. I didn't seize Hochland but in retrospect if I was willing to make more war with man pre-chaos invasion I would. Hochland seems pretty well defensible in retrospect - if you don't make Ostland Wolfenburg and East province your Verdun fortress, you could make Hochland it.

So if politics allow I would expand either into Bastonne/Bordeaux region (Anywhere that doesn't piss off Couronne, I like having him as an ally), or into Wissenland/Averland. Stirland means you have to go to war with the vampire cunts.
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>People are so used to the Tolkien and typical fantasy pluralization of Dwarf that they keep incorrectly pluralizing the Warhammer version of Dwarf as "Dwarves" instead of "Dwarfs" when in fact, Warhammer is one of the few settings out there that pluralize Dwarf as Dwarfs.
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>>172615858
so Hashut is something like a biblical Chaos god and Great Hornet Rat is just a skaven, but a god.
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>>172616230
Not so fast
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>>172616230
Yeah I mean how do people even mix up kh---n the violence god with kh--n the violence god

This is as bad as mixing up ungrim, thorgrim, gorgrim, and volkmar the grimgrudgehide
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>>172616201
>Eight Hours
>EIGHT
>EIGHT peaks
>Peaks
>SQUEEKS

SKAVEN CONFIRMED.
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>>172616309
we need someone to make a pastebin out of all these trivia knowledge in here.
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>>172616282
>>172615772
Thanks mate
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>>172616376
The Horned Rat is sort of like the Ur-Skaven, the Skaven that all Skaven wish they could be. The most Skaven-like Skaven.

Hashut also taught the Chaos Dwarfs the power of Sorcery, but because Dwarfish biology is so magic-resistant they slowly turn to stone the more magic they use. They no longer use rune-magic, but they achieve similar effects by binding daemons into weapons and armor. They also believe in mass-production rather than craftsmanship, and their factories are capable of churning out tons of armaments quickly which are then sold all around the world.
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>Joey and Grace will cosplay skaven or lizard instead of elf witch or handmaiden
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>>172616376
yes! I don't blame the Chaos Dwarves in the slightest and I'd have done the same.

>Tfw having to watch your children and family warp and mutate a little more everyday, becoming sick and twisted, "end the pain daddy bronze-bar, end it now" and of all your prayers to the ghosts of your ancestors grant you nothing but a solid silence.
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>>172616201
I 'aven't got the patience! I really "eight" the wait! haha
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>>172610374
oy anon you can grab a 1080 for 800 from mwave.c o m

anyway I posted earlier that I was upgrading my r9280x to a 1080 today, just finished drivers/ect. I'm an aussie too, anyway pic related on the left benchmark with a
r9280x at ultra all settings cept shadows med/unit size large. 1080p
with i54690k @ 4.5ghz

on the right is my new 1080, all ultra

let that be a guide to performance anon
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Does anyone know what is mommy's main faction?
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>>172616457
that's old lore which is suppose to be written by Empire Scholars not a disembodied know-it-all GW writer. Khaine was never Khorne, especially not in current lore.
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>>172616760
>mommy
She's an older sister at best.
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Haha, not being able to put your armies next to each other is a really fun mechanic when you're trying to build up a new stack
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>>172616785
maybe anon is 10 or 12?
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>>172616785
>>172616868
its a /pol/ meme you nerds.
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>>172616282

And last bit of spam for units. I'm not a big expert and am using some mods that may change my perception. The biggest cheet being one that makes muskets more lethal but slower to reload (and fixes the stupid ass "135 range". Like nigger that lets me get one shot off before they get charged). I can say unmodded that muskets for high armor foes (Dwarfs, chaos, bretonnia), crossbows for low armor foes.
-Outrider grenadiers for low armor high population enemies (orcs and undead), AP repeating rifle outriders for others. Pistoliers are shit.
-Luminarch of Hysh is a anti-lord or anti giant sniper rifle. Took off 1/4th HP from a lord last I used it. Maybe a bit less, 1/5th, but still dope.
-Your infantry are not there to win the battle but to hold the enemy. Spears no shields are worthless outside of low cost. Swordsmen may be good vs low armor large number foes (VC/Orcs) but I dunno. Honestly looking at stats halberdiers seem generally better than spearmen with shields - they will survive longer against missile foes but Vampire cunts have zero non magic missiles, Chaos only has marauder horsemen (who are a nuisance but not killer to infantry of the line). Halberds have more armor and I think armor pierce? So I guess shielded spears for cheapness or vs orcs but Halberdiers vs VC or Chaos. Greatswords are AP and anti-Infantry so above all they are important vs Chaos.
-Steam tank is rape machine.
-Demi gryphs are rape machine.
-Reiksguard are good.
-I am not sure if mortar vs hellrockets which is better. I have both in my main stacks but mortars do rack up some real good kills.

-on lores of magic someone else can chip in but I know lore of light is fantastic. Starting light-bolts are basically magic artillery that do really good damage if you line up the enemy right, the freeze-net is awesome for catching a fleeing lord or stopping a giant foe, buffs are always nice.
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>>172616657
I'm on a 280X currently, thinking of upgrayedding but can't bring myself to spend so much .__.
480 looks like a decent boost compared to 280X, but then it seems like not enough and I should just wait
Uargh this would never happen if Total War was a console exclusive series!
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>ratways
>ratty-ness meter that spawns rat stacks when it fills
>rat council
>plagues, wait, I mean rat corruption that lowers public order and spawns rat stacks
>special unique, never before seen feature - gather warpstone and use it for unique units!
>clan rats economy!
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>>172616842

>Player can't have armies next to each other or they fight
>AI loves to doom stack chaos.

I wonder about if they'd do away with doomstacking but make individual chaos units a lot more lethal. Whether that'd be more fun.
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>>172616842
>that army composition
what the fuck are you doing
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>skinkpaths
>froglector counts
>the Kroak of Ages: special building which if fully upgraded revives Lord Kroak
>claim settlements to get Ancient Tomes resource to spend on better buildings, research, and units
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>>172616935
maybe get another 280x?


also not strictly total warhammer but wtf do I do now, I get ghost recond wildlands or for honor
both don't uber appeal to me
which do I chooseeee
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>>172616842
Why do you still have marauders? Why?!
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>>172617269
Total War: Warhammer.
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>>172617113
>the Kroak of Ages
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I think I fucked up

I played vampires and instead of going head to head with the empire I went north into like Ostland or something. But then Kislev was next to me and it was all undefended so I said fuck it and I seized all of it.

But now I realize that Chaos is right next to my doorstep and there's no one to hold them.

What have I done
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so eventually we are going to have:
chaos corruption
vamp corruption
rat corruption
possibly some kinda lizard wizard corruption
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>>172617653
should've built walls m8
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>>172617653
Time to become the shield of civilization
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>>172616760
She doesn't play those loser nerd games, she almost falls asleep when they make her stream.
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>>172617653
Beat chaos and get the Empire as a willing ally or vassal all the while you corrupt the shit out of them. Best way of doing it imo.
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>>172617792
I still don't understand why companies insist on hiring women as PR people in vidoegame industry, those women fucking despise games, you can see how incredibly bored and uninterested they are if you watch any stream with joey or grace

and they are shit at the game too, which makes watching them incredibly painful, even fucking Darren is better
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>>172617962
Joey genuinely likes warhammer and wood elves though, she went to tournaments and did her own videos
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>>172617962
I don't even know what these PR goofs are for frankly (honestly)
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>>172618069
the tabletop maybe, but not the video game, why can't they just get some streamer guy who actually understands the game, to do the PR events and streams?
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>>172614774
SsssssssSSSSSSourceeeeeeeeeee
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>>172618127
this, just hire Turin for those streams.
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>>172618127
Gamers are toxic and regressive, its best to be more inclusive with your hiring
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>>172618127
I like Joey's streams
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>>172615280
So on the first turn build the level 2 barracks or whatever it's called, but once you capture Helmgart, build that one to level 2 and destroy the one in your capital to make room for better buildings that can only be built in the capital like your fucking gunnery. Mortars are seriously good. Take at least 3 or 4, you can mix it up once you unlock more artillery but right now I have an 8 artillery army and it's doing great.
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>>172617043
>>172617379
Trying to make Archaon's horde catch up

At least it's all warriors and chosen now
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What if the History team is building a new engine?
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>>172618323
Then they have to get pathing right again and it'll be a year where Megaman is supposed to exist before they do.
But Warhammer feels good. I'd do M3 on it.
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>>172618317
You can have another horde close enough to protect despite not having them on top of another you know?
>turn 261
Wtf have you been doing all this time?
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>>172617653

As long as you moved quickly and have done some amount of work pacifying obvious threats through diplomacy you should have too much trouble

Honestly you'll probably be able to just park 3-4 stacks next to Praag and buttfuck Chaos as soon as they show up
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>>172617653
The AI did this in one of my Empire campaigns, and they also fought off Archaon. It felt weird to lose my status as "hero of the world and savior of humanity" to an egotistical manlet.
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>>172617681
>lizard wizard corruption
I don't follow
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>>172618580
>an egotistical manlet.
actually that's a misconception on account of propaganda from certain other vampires. Mannfred is the height of an average human (5'6'') and known for being very benevolent
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>>172617962
Me either. When they quit they all do something that's not anywhere near videogames and it's revealed that they don't even like them.
100% of the fucking time. Olivia Munn was supposed to be the icon gamer girl, right? Now look at her. The only way people will talk about her now is if she blows her brains out.
Anyone doing announcement type shit tries to get into real news or wants a column in some trash website.
For real. For God damn real. Anyone who plays games can tell by the way they talk in 2 minutes whether they're real or not. Why try if you're the company? You're wasting money. If you cut the bullshit and hire a model to present the games and be genuine then you'd get a better fan reaction. Like if she went on to say, "This new feature, blah blah blah, I don't know what that means but..." Just like in my chinese cartoons...
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>>172618697
Adding to this accurate post, Mannfred is also the true Von Carstein and stronger than Nagash.
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>>172616309
>go out of my way to say dwarfs
>start saying elfs instead of elves, too
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>>172618697

>5'6

hhhhhhehehehehehe
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Can you let me in on the secret of Beastmen?

I razed a bunch of small settlements in Estalia, Bretonnia and the Empire but they barely give 3k evil god coins, and I am practically not able to take capitals.

Am I supposed to just park my ass somewhere in raiding stance for twenty turns? What am I fucking doing wrong?
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>>172619153

More

Minotaurs
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>>172618697
>5'6''
Mannlet taking his rightful position as dwarf LL when?
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>>172618697
5'6 is called being a manlet anon
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>>172619153
Gather Warherds
Hunt Man-Filth
Kill Man!
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>>172619262
So I ignore the Gor building?
I kinda built that up first, Ithought Bestigors would be a good idea.

And I still have no clue how to get there, 3k for a small town is fucking nothing.
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>>172619153
build up all your recruitment buildings, and then eventually you will get access to a building that reduces upkeep for all units in exchange for a growth penalty
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>>172619459

Bestigors good

Minotaurs better.
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How's Ghorst? Was thinking of picking up Grim/Grave since i've yet to play either Empire or Vamps.
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>>172619441

delete this
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>>172600419
Just grab the tech that makes you immune to attrition.
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Moot when?!
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>>172620121
Moot half-lings should've been in the game. Such a shame
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>>172620121
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>>172619517
So you just ignore Gors?

>>172619484
Yeah, I know but that is pretty much the last building you build in a horde.

I mean, yeah, if you make one horde for recruitment only, but then you miss the upkeep bonus from the contruction buildings.

I somehow feel like I'm doing this whole 'Horde' thing completely wrong.

I never played Attila
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>>172619536

Ghorst is a bit boring desu

He's not too bad, he's better mechnically than Kemmler but still largely worse than the Vampire characters.

Honestly Grim/Grave is primarily worth it to pick up for the units, not the legendary lords.

Especially Free Company Militia make early game as Empire far more fun.
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>>172620273

>So you just ignore Gors?

Well, I wouldn't go that far, 19 Minotaurs does not a good army make

You need SOME infantry.
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>As the millenia passed, Addaioth healed from the grievous wounds he suffered that day, but he has never forgiven Ladrielle for interfering. He knew that the other gods believed him to have fled the field, and the shame of it hangs heavy on him. Even so, the Bringer of Wrath and Fire knows he is destined to fight his father once again, and spares no effort in preparing for that inevitable battle. He labours beneath the mountains, crafting new weapons to aid his victory. Alas, Addaioth is a poor smith and too proud to ask Vaul for aid, thus every blade he creates is flawed beyond redemption. With each failure, his anger grows, causing the ground to quake and lava to flow. In Naggaroth, the Dark Elves see fire burst from the mountaintops and know that the Bringer of Wrath and Fire has forged another crooked sword.
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>>172620121
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>>172620353
>Especially Free Company Militia make early game as Empire far more fun.

Speaking of which, has anyone run a full gunline list for the empire? How did it turn out?
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>Warhammer will never have cool banners and musicians


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T42wBms61VE
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>>172620413
>19 Minotaurs does not a good army make
>You need SOME infantry.
desu, you're entirely fine going 19 minotaurs especially if you use the TT lords mod and use a doombull for a lord
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does the guaranteed major faction empires mod make rome 2 more fun?
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>>172620631

>literally the perfect game to incorporate champions, banners and musicians, give them bonuses and real meaning to gameplay
>lol fug that, just give them magic banners with +4 leadership and shit
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>>172584880

Pls don't bully the white lions of chrace ;_;
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>>172620273
You can level up pretty fast by fighting battles often through ruse and cruise technique, documented in attached portable network graphic
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>>172620273
personally i just ran around sniping undefended settlements with 2 shitty stacks for the lord xp, then when i finally got all the growth i needed i built that upkeep reduction building and transformed my hordes from shit to top tier units.
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>>172620631
I honestly just put some thematic music to background while I play. königgrätzer for The Empire, some Debauchery songs while playing Chaos, LOTR soundtrack for Wood Elves etc.
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>>172620167
Maybe when Ogres come about and we head back east.
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>>172620753
Look, the women literally get fucked by big cats and the 'men' are hopeless, limp-dicked cucks like all high elves.
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>>172620808
that's too sophisticated for beastmen but I like your poopooing
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>>172620808
ok but istill get no fucking money

Also my 'weak' stack is just one faggot with lots of skillpoints to maximize growth.

>>172620812
Yeah, but the AI just pops up with some doomstack whenever I come out of teh fucking woodwork.

I took the settlement northwest of middenheim, and suddenly fucking Tree Hitler rides in with a doomstack of god knows what kind of fucking OP as shit worst elves.
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>>172620874

STOB IT
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>>172621124
You get battle loot, level up you lords, and it's fun... and really you don't need a particularly impressive army to take most major settlements anyway, Minotaurs eat gates for breakfast. Ungor Chaff + Minotaur Baff, never fails.
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>>172621124
hide with one stack while another raids far away from it, the ai will send it's homing missiles to the raiding stack, then you switch roles
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>>172620745
>>172620631

Everybody is all excited about which factions or characters will make it in the expansion

But here I am just hoping for banners/musicians to finally get implemented. Is that too much to ask for?
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>>172576552
>play chaos
>spam slow as fuck melee troops and expensive as fuck cavalry

I bet you win through auto resolves.
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I WANT HISTORY NOT THIS CHILDISH FANTASY SHIT
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY DID YOU FORSAKE US, CA?
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>>172621449
Looks like History now... history! haha
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>>172621449

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA
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>>172621449
It's too bad you cannot play historical tw games from Mejii Period, Napoleonic Wars, Ancient Rome and Fall of Rome periods.
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Which is better, Skeleton Warriors or Skeleton Spearman?

I'm poor I don't use grave guards yet
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>>172621449
>childish

well video game are childish, go back to /his/ or something.
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>>172621449
look at this fucking cuck loser
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>>172621467
that comment almost made me not shake my head in disappointment
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>>172621640
Depends on the purpose to which you're putting them. Spears for stabbing cavalry, swords for stabbing infantry.
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>>172621449
>there are people who actually think that
DELICIOUS
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>>172621682
I'm trying my best! :D
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>>172621387
>he doesn't know that Shaggoths are faster than chaos knights
You can't win through autoresolve with wounded stacks, you have to manually remove enemies with your shaggoths. Chosen are mostly for general ground control.
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>>172621640
swordsmen and spearmen have different functions entirely. but spearmen is overall more valuable. You use swords to 1v1 their infantry and you use spearmen to cover your flanks and artillery.
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>>172621715
U SEE ON STRIMM IS CHINA JUNGEL CUZ IS FOG, CHINAA TOOTALL WARR
IS NOT CHINA? ISS SOUFF AMERIKAAA TOTLAL WARRR
NO MOR FANTESI CA FUK U
80% of the youtube chat
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How the fuck are you supposed to deal with those faggot nigger chaos chariots? Fucking niggers are worse chaff to deal with than chaos hounds by far. What unit is their counter?
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>>172621640
my vote is skele-spearmen. They might not be quite as good for killing infantry but they don't crumble as easily when charged by cavalry or monstrous creatures.
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>>172621640
you probably won't encounter that many cavalry
in the early game since you are most likely surrendered by AI empire faction that never purchase ot rarely purchase a calv. Maybe in the late game, but you would be using blood knight or other monster units at that point.
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pike and shot tw game when?
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>>172621820
i dont know really
i figured that maybe swamping them down with anti-large infantry would work after the intial charge but they're able to just kinda roll out of there and knock everone down on the way
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>>172621820
first, what faction you playing as?
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>>172621820
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>>172621820
Anti-Large Cav, intercept them ASAP
Don't bother trying to swamp them in anti-large infantry, AI re-orders units every tick so they sort of just wiggle out of any mess.
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>>172621314
I always kept my stacks close to each other because I'm apparently fucking retarded.
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>>172620413
Actually 19 minotaurs is an entirely viable army, though 18 or 17 and gorebull(s) is better.
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>>172621820
>empire
stab them to death with halberd. Always have at least 2 halberd in your army. Some gunner would be nice, or demigryph knight
>dwarf
trollhammer torpedo, slayers, shoot them to shit with artillery before they come.
>vampire
monster unit gang bang them, or cairn wraith because they are ethereal and is able to armor penetrate.
>bretonnia
any cavalry with anti-large, from realm knight, pegasus knight, grail knight. There is also peasants halberd.
>orc
big'Un or big'Un boar cal.

Overall, you need to trap it and stop it from ramming your army.
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>>172621883

Yeah. It's driving me insane and I just dealt with an 8 out of 20 stack of them. In this case they ambushed me so I understand why they did well there and I don't fault it in that case but it's been a constant issue in every standard battle I fight them with. There seems to be no solid designed counter that I know of.

Artillery? I got plenty, but it can't deal with a quarter stack or more of them. Same with Net of ______ from a light mage, same with handgunners. Handgunners hardly get in enough damage before they have to pull back into cover, they waddle through any anti-large infantry >>172621883 A silver chevroned grand cannon can maybe bruise one before they reach me.

The worst thing is that they constantly come back when routed, so you'll have one little cocksucker waddling over and hitting you.

The best thing I've found is just >>172621997 in other words gryphs >>172621976 but it feels like a really messy and inefficient solution.


>>172621914
Empire.

>>172622106

I've used halberds but I guess you need to counter charge, much as that's not what you'd figure with the whole "bracing anti-charge" ability of halberds or spears.
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>>172622171

Oh and outriders are fucking garbage vs them. They can't outrun them despite being >light cavalry, let alone the issue of having to turn to shoot them.

Maybe pistoliers could manage better but given how godawful they are it feels stupid to bring along enough to handle the hordes of chariots since soon as the chariots are gone they are a wet napkin.
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Getting my new/upgraded PC in a few days, haven't played a total war game newer than like, Empire I think? any advice/recommendations?

Also is there a list or something rating what DLC is worth it?
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>>172622260
Anons objective DLC ranking -
King/Warlord > Elves/Beastmen > Chaos, Grim/Grave > Blood
You can trust me, i'm a lawyer.
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>>172622106
You forgot
>gobbos
>kite them around the map with spider rider archers and lolpoison
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>>172622403
>buying goblin shit in late game
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>>172622171
>Empire.
>>172621976
Demigryph knight do counter them because they counter everything.

I've also had luck using Outriders to harass them. You can use pistoliers as well, but they suffer from a lack of AP damage on their shooting

They can be hard to procure in a game on occasion however, as it requires stables (livery?) and a gunsmith. I usually dedicate a province to producing high level cannons/guns (nuln with gunnery school) OR high level cavalry (Middenland with Knights Panther chapterhouse)
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>>172622223
>>172622474
look like I disagree, I don't send my outriders straight at them though, I try and catch them as they are leaving to get another charge

One of the problems with chariots is how they seem to spread the damage. They will have 20% HP and still have 3/4 units left. They Outriders always seem to focus on shooting the closest and kill the chariots one by bone.
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>>172622449
>he doesn't believe anytime is a good time for goblins.
>mfw
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>>172622260
Skip RTW2 and go Attila.
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>>172622868
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>>172622260
Play Warhammer, it runs the best out of all three newish games.
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>>172622260
Empire has the widest scale and is my personal favorites, despite it's shortcomings.

I'd definitely recommend it

If you want your hand held and bullshit gameplay, play shogun or something.
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>>172622981
Yeah thanks to warhammer, cheese became a common usage in the community of how easy it is to cheese it.
>>
>read some comments in the countdown video on Youtube
>pls no more fantasy bullshit
>pls no more of this Warhammer cringe
>pls history :(
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>>172622474
>Demigryph knight do counter them because they counter everything.
Well, that was kinda the point. Can't overrun infantry if you only have tanks and demys.
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Anyone have the Prince of Altdorf book? It's supposed to have a special appearance by the best Warhammer character.
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>>172623343
>It's supposed to have a special appearance by the best Warhammer character.
do they mention his name?
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>>172623247
People are just being contrarian. Call of Duty Infinite Warfare was downvoted to hell in youtube but it became the best selling game is 2016.
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>>172623247

Good to know theres people out there who still yearn for history
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>>172623386
I have no idea. I haven't read it, and I can't find it on the internet.
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>>172623343
>advisor advises everyone but the Beastmen
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>>172623331
Now I want a mod where you can field only 1 demigryph knight regiment per menagerie and 1 steam tank per engineer's workshop
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>>172623247
typical loud minority
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>>172623247
I like to think of them as 12 year olds, poor fags or trolls.
Knowing that I share a passion for a game with such autists really deflates the ol' ego you know?
At least everyone on /twg/ is a TRVE VNDERSTANDER, right?
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>>172623509
>advisor advises everyone but the Beastmen
he does though...
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so many shitty normies in this stream
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>>172623580
not in the Beastmen dlc
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>>172583685
>hey guys I'm gonna stick a knife in MY FUCKING NOSE
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>>172623709
You mean the eye for an eye campaign?
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>>172613245
t.Sexually frustrated Kroxigor
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>>172623247

Bunch of whiny faggots. I love history but I am having fun with warham. Will have more fun with the expac because I haven't really been interested in much outside of the empire, but high elves dark elves and lizards sound neat.
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>>172623816
>>172623816
>>172623816
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Stop playing fantasy

almost missed this thread
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>>172623853
>>172623863

>20 seconds late

FUCK YOU
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>>172623709
Pictured: Advisor hanging out with a bunch of beastmen.
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>>172620607
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>>172620631
>War is so fucked we need guys just to cheer up the others.
Poor boys.
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Is the blue line ever worth it?
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>>172620189
>>172620607
>>172624774

>missing a cuck
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