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ring ring

>White Hair Talisman:
>Has the unfaltering prayer's WA.
>Now dual-scale for miracles in the same way as the Crystal Chime
>Reaches a spellbuff of 197 at 40/40 (Planning to increase this value for miracles ONLY in the future)

I wonder if the real patch notes will compare to this random reddit faggot's.

>>171643289
*affected
Dumb tripfag.

>>171641189
>>171641189
>>171641189
Pretty please?

>>171643349
>>Has the unfaltering prayer's WA.
No. The last thing we need is shit like Black Flame with near-unbreakable hyperarmor.

>>171643438
That'd be a viable point, were it even really plausible to trade with it right now.

To be fair, it follows with:

>The ability to poise-cast pyromancies might finally turn this useless talisman into something slightly more useful. Time will tell if this is too broken with Black Flame or not.

But why that fuck doesn't just nerf that cancer spell is beyond me.

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>>171643359
>being mad enough to sperg out over auto-correct typos

>>171643517
>using auto-correct
Thank you for proving my point.

>>171643349
>pyromancies with hyperarmor
dear god no, that'd be awful.

>miracles with dual scaling
even the crystal chime only gives dual scaling to lightning miracles, and even then it still doesn't have UP and is still considered good.

Great way to break the game. Just give it something weird like luck scaling, or boost its spellbuff by about 30%. It has a unique niche for dual casting, it's just way too fucking weak is all.

Hoping lothric holy sword gets buffed.
Hoping faith in general gets buffed.
Hoping bleed gets nerfed, poison buffed.

>>171643616
Never hope for anything, because shit almost always gets worse with these types of patches.

>>171643616
I hope frostbite will get buffed to remove 5 more stamina per second.
Then I can make a build that reduces stamina regen to 0 instead of 5.

>>171643673
Fuck

>>171643616
Does lothric holy sword currently have any use besides using it to create another weapon? It seems like one of the absolute weakest boss weapons and has extremely bad scaling with no benefit to offset it.

>>171643616
>lothric holy sword is buffed to Cdex/Cfth scaling
>faith gets two new weapons with A scaling in TRC
>hollow becomes unbuffable, increased luck scaling to compensate
>poison infusion now increases poison damage like bleed infusion increases bleed damage

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>>171643616
>Hoping lothric holy sword gets buffed.
but it did, a few patches ago

now it has faith scaling

>>171643708
It's not bad, it's just the only not-OP straight sword is all. It has very long range, a super long and fast ranged poke to punish estus or rolling away, and can still guardbreak. 385 AR is a fair trade for all that

>>171643708
I think it is THE lowest damaging SS in the game, and has mediocre range to boot; probably one of the weakest in general outside of trash weapons like broken SS and stuff of the like.

The WA is cool and fun to use but it does absolutely no damage. They added FTH scaling a few patches ago but it's fucking E scaling which does fuck all.

Which is a shame since it's my favorite weapon.

If I were to make an STR build, is the ideal breakpoint 40 or 50 STR?

>>171643791
Either 29 + K***ht Ring, or plain 34 Str. Any Str weapon worth using is only good when two-handed, so might as well save those points and invest them elsewhere. Besides the requisite 40 Vig and 40 End, you'll also need a fair amount of Vit to account for weapon weight, and at least decent armor if you don't want to constantly have Wolf +2 equipped.

>>171643791
50

>>171643791
What >>171643975 said. You'll need to dump points into VIT and especially END since Ultra weapons take a fuck ton of stamina to use.

Is pyromancer still 25-25 or 30-30?

>>171643791
66

>>171643791
27 if two-handing, 40 for one hand. New shields in TRC need 45str, Morne's stuff needs 50str.

>>171643349
There's already precedent for different tools having different scaling for Dark/Non-Dark.
You could give the White Hair Talisman especially terrible Dark scaling, but only slightly less AR than a glove on regular Fire. Then give it Unfaltering Prayer.
Then we'd have HA Firestorms.

>>171644069
40-40

>>171644098
>Then we'd have HA Firestorms.

I want.

>>171643708
Poking / baiting with the WA in PvP is its only function. After throwing a few you can tap stance to make it glow and bait people into rolling.

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>>171644069
i'd say 35-35 and put some more into att/ hp

>>171644098
>Then we'd have HA Firestorms
Still wouldn't hit anything with them, casting time is even slower than divine pillars which actually does have HA.

>>171644083
40-60 is still decent scaling

27 is ass

>>171644069
25/25 as the equivelant to 40 fai or int, 30/30=50, 35/35=60. Pyromancy is pretty good just like refined as it has the most space to grow in damage. You can even go up to 40/40 and still have quite effective scaling.

How terrible is 50 Int on a build in DaS3? I know that 60 is the "hard" cap, but let's say that I'm compromising stats for a for-fun build and don't care all that much about viability in PvP.

And on a similar note, how does 55 compare to 60 (putting a Scholar Ring on the above build)?

>>171644212
1 AR per level is not decent scaling, even when you're getting the +50% bonus from two-handing. Strength has no reason to go over 40, especially since it can reap the benefits of a whopping +20 more AR without adding 20 more levels like Dex has to.

>>171644261
Up to 40 scales normally like most stats, and is the general cap for int weapons. Between 40 and 60, the scaling on spellbuff actually increases. If you're going over 40 there's no reason to stop before 60 and get soul nukes.

>>171644261
50 int is fine. Even 40 int isn't too bad.

>>171644261
Spells in DaS3 basically require all or nothing investment. If you're at anything less than the absolute max, you aren't doing enough damage.

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QUICK, GIVE ME GOOD PYROMANCER NAMES, HARD MODE: NO MEMES

>>171644396
Mystic [name here]

>>171644287
27str greataxe 2handed; 599
40str greataxe 2handed; 633
that's closer to 3 per level than 1 per level

plus the 2handing damage bonus is added AFTER your str is recalculated
and warcry is % based too

>>171644396
heretic ______
witch_____
pyromancer________
fire-eater________

>>171644396
Flamin Hots

>>171643975
>>171644063
>>171644083

https://www.mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/154709

I've got a base build here that seems to have plenty of stats to go around. The VIG being 36 is down to hearing in a previous thread that the difference between 36 and 40 is relatively negligable, and I was able to make room for a full Drakeblood set while wielding either Yhorm's solo or GFS and MBA together, and I'm able to wield either GFS or MBA with a shield solo

Given that, if I were to, for example, drop to 45 STR for the DLC shields, or even 40 and use a knight's ring when wielding them, what stats would benefit better from those levels?

>>171644396

Vulkanherr is one I've been using

Means "Volcano Lord" in Germanic, so it fits the sort of theme

Seriously, just look up baby names for celts or whatever you think fits the theme of the pyromancer best and go from there, it's how I work out all my names

>>171644323
>Between 40 and 60, the scaling on spellbuff actually increases
This is only true for the Court Sorcerer Staff. That said, it's also why CSS is the best staff.

Other staves just get gradual, unboosted gains up to 60 before dropping off hard.

>>171644396
flaming fred/fran

>>171644396
Magus _____
Chaos Thrall
_____ the Shaman
Seer _____
Hedge Witch

>>171644396
Ambassador Buta
Sorcha
Tickferno
Firefist
Pyrodactyl
Pyroboria

>>171644424
>2handed
>pretty much exactly 20AR+50% for 20 levels
You're reinforcing my point, anon.

>>171644782
>for 20 levels

it's 13 levels though

>>171644517
>The VIG being 36 is down to hearing in a previous thread that the difference between 36 and 40 is relatively negligable
Only idiots think of vigor in terms of softcaps. You should be thinking of it in terms of breakpoints, i.e. how much you need to not die in two hits of something. The guy who told you that clearly thought 1,501 HP embered was an important number, despite that not being a relevant number in terms of weapon damage.

The most important breakpoint is 1,200 HP unembered, which is 39 vigor.

>>171644396
Heats Flamesman

>>171644782
of course 2handed you dumbass

were you suggesting one handing a str weapon at 27str?
ur a dummy

so I haven't played Dark Souls 3 since mid 2016
What do builds look like now?

>>171644824
Misunderstood, thought you were talking about 40str to 60str for some reason.

In which case, re-read my original post: "Strength has no reason to go over 40". The point of two-handing at 27 is to reach 40 with minimal investments, the point of two-handing at 40 is to reach 60 without investing more than a dexterity build.

>>171644396
http://www.20000-names.com/male_gypsy_names_roma_romani_romany.htm

>>171644969
Refined and pyro as far as the eye can see. Sometimes people pretend to use other builds, but they look exactly like refined and pyro so it's impossible to tell the difference. Except for Int builds, which are the only truly distinct thing in the game but nobody really uses them.

>>171644396
Charcoal Cole.
Candle Lighter
FlameSeeker [name]

>>171644969
All up to you, thing is, dark and poison are kind of fucked. I wouldn't try those. All the other standard builds are all available.

>>171644396
K***ht of Fire
https://youtu.be/tNveMjoSxp0

>>171644969
Nothing's really changed.
Quality builds still reign supreme, pyro is the go to for spells.
Introduction of poise means theres also lots of ultra weapons now too

>>171645092
Poise was never not in the game, if anything they kind of nerfed it. Now you actually need to stack poise to get the benefit instead of just having a ton already, so it's harder to pretend it doesn't exist by calling it hyperarmor.

>>171645071
Well I was more wondering what's actually good, since back then build variety was really fucked.
>>171645092
Ultras, really? I heard ultras were still way too slow and that poise mostly benefitted regular great swords.

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>>171645057
>Charcoal Cole.

We got a fucking winner, thanks anon

Who killed Emma?
Why do I need to place a basin under a knight to drop a ladder, this makes no sense.
Why is kamui pretending to be dead outside the archives? Why does he give Gotthard's twinswords instead of his?
Why are there cathedral knights in the consumed lad's garden? Aren't they affiliated with the church of the deep?

https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/60mif2/the_patches_notes_march_24th_no_spoilers/

IT'S HERE

PATCH NOTES OUT.

https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/60mif2/the_patches_notes_march_24th_no_spoilers/

>>171645136
>I heard ultras were still way too slow and that poise mostly benefitted regular great swords
Yes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/60mif2/the_patches_notes_march_24th_no_spoilers/?st=j0jb7tpa&sh=1cab9eaa
https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/60mif2/the_patches_notes_march_24th_no_spoilers/?st=j0jb7tpa&sh=1cab9eaa
https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/60mif2/the_patches_notes_march_24th_no_spoilers/?st=j0jb7tpa&sh=1cab9eaa
THEY'RE HERE

>>171645163
>>171645168
>Decreased stamina depletion when attacking using Ultra Greatswords, Great Hammers, and Greataxes.

FUUUUUUUUCK

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>>171645168
Decreased motion of normal attack while dashing for Katanas. Improved motion of any other normal attacks.

>>171645031
That's because we've chosen a meta level where players can hit 2 offensive stat softcaps as well as 40VIG, but the game wasn't designed to be played in a single level range. Builds which only soft cap one offensive stat are obviously more efficient at lower levels. STR builds come online earlier than anything else in the game, that's part of their advantage for players progressing through the single player, which is what everything is "balanced" around.

I'm aware that weapon balance is still very suspect, but they aren't even trying to balance SL120 builds against each other.

>Ultras get their swings buffed and lower stamina costs
>Katanas are not running R1 machines anymore

FUCK YES

>>171645132
Except they added poise to weapons that didn't have it and massively expanded poise frames on a lot that did. Poise damage as well. Almost singlehandedly made hammers viable.

>>171645154
Improved motion of normal attack for Ultra Greatswords, Great Hammers and Curved Great Swords.
Decreased stamina depletion when attacking using Ultra Greatswords, Great Hammers, and Greataxes.
iTS TIME TO SM4SH

>>171644396
Magnus.
I think that Roman names for some reason are good names for both pyromancers and clerics.

>vordt's getting frost buffed AGAIN
>lowered stam cost
>high base damage low scaling

gonna try this on a low lv build now

>Dark Hand gets poise on WA
Oh my

>Decreased motion of normal attack while dashing for Katanas. Improved motion of any other normal attacks.

KATANA RUNPOKES ARE RIP

>Improved duration of the Perseverance effect.

maces literally cannot be stopped now

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>Fixed so that poise is applied during Dark Hand skill, Lifedrain
yeah booooooi

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>Decreased motion of normal attack while dashing for Katanas. Improved motion of any other normal attacks.
>Improved motion of normal attack for Ultra Greatswords, Great Hammers and Curved Great Swords.
>Decreased stamina depletion when attacking using Ultra Greatswords, Great Hammers, and Greataxes.
>Improved duration of the Perseverance effect.
>Fixed issue where Onislayer continued to attack consecutively.
>Improved correction value for Sharp or Heavy weapons' upgrade.

>Curved Greatswords get ar buff and improved motion
Is it time?

>>171645197
>Improved defense and also increased weights for heavy armor.

HAHAHAHAHA, goodbye my sides

>Improved correction value for Sharp or Heavy weapons' upgrade.
Nice.

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>>171645339

>already an insane R1 spamming machine
>will surely become meta king again after this

Improved motion of normal attack for Greatlance.
Improved duration of the Perseverance effect
Fixed so that poise is applied during Greatlance two-handed attack.

I came

However: Improved defense and also increased weights for heavy armor.
This means we are going to need to pump even more vit for some fashion combination

This ultra buff seems pretty substantial.
Also pretty happy with the bleed nerf and poison buff.

>Improved the motion of Lightning Stake, Lightning Storm and Way of White Corona.
It's a start, doesn't fix the fact that FTH still has shit damage at all levels

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Aye she got some nice buffs.
Might try her out, especially if that strength scaling is a B now.

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I cant check the notes, did miracles get buffed?

>>171645406
>This ultra buff seems pretty substantial.
factually can't say that untill we see numbers. it's on the right track at least

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>>171645179
>spoiling the fite for me

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>the day has finally come where katana running R1s were nerfed

APOLOGIZE

>>171645425

>Improved the motion of Lightning Stake, Lightning Storm and Way of White Corona.
>Extended time when using the miracles of Gnaw, Dorhys' Gnawing and Wrath of the Gods.

>Improved attack power and decreased duration of poison and poison effects players use.
>Decreased rate at which blood builds up when using Carthus Rouge.
IT'S HAPPENING

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>preloaded TRC stuff
>finally made arena work like it should've in the first place

>Added function where various hosts could be displayed on the bonfire warp menu
>Added warning text that advised player if he/she has dropped too many items in a single location on the field
What the literal fuck is this?

>Improved motion of normal attack for Ultra Greatswords, Great Hammers and Curved Great Swords
>Decreased stamina depletion when attacking using Ultra Greatswords, Great Hammers, and Greataxes
Oh boy

>Fixed so that poise is applied during >Greatlance two-handed attack.
>Fixed so that poise is applied during Dark Hand skill, Lifedrain.
>Disabled parry during Pickaxe's two-handed attack.
Oh fuck yes

>Improved correction value for Sharp or Heavy weapons' upgrade.
>Along with improving correction value for Sharp or Heavy weapons' upgrade, adjusted correction value for Refined or Hollowed weapons' upgrade.
YES

>Improved attack power and decreased duration of poison and poison effects players use.
>Decreased rate at which blood builds up when using Carthus Rouge.
HARDER! HARDER!

>>171645451
Is this a Jojo reference?

>carthus rouge nerfed hard
>poison buffed
>heavier armour given better defense
>lightning stake storm and corona made faster
>refined nerfed and sharp/heavy buffed
>bunch of useless weapon arts buffed
>dark hand gets poise on soul suck
>greatlance hugely buffed with poise and faster attacks
>pontiff knight scythe got a big buff
>all frost weapons apply frost much faster
>yorshka's spear skill buff
>executioner's greatsword regains more than 3 FP
>ultras use less stamina
>ultra greatswords, great hammers, and greataxes are faster too
>blind spot and shield bash buffed
>katana R1 nerfed and all other moves are faster
>made curved swords not shit
>reduced active hitbox frames on CCS, Dark Sword, Gargoyle flameshit and Sabre
>Moonlight and Crescent Moon lasers are unfucked

This patch is FUCKING BASED.

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>post your face when they actually listened to us

>>171645451
>>Added function where various hosts could be displayed on the bonfire warp menu
probably orange borders like ds2
>>Added warning text that advised player if he/she has dropped too many items in a single location on the field
i imagine that if you drop too many items, they start disappearing. that's what the warning it for

>walking back to Firelink from the Depths
>get nudged off the aqueduct by the guy next to the exit
>fall to my death
>explode when I hit the cliff wall
How could that possibly happen? I would guess it's the firebomb guy, but there's no way he could angle it like that.

>>171645380
>>171645339
>>171645378
exiled is also incedibly good sharp at 40/40, and now sharp is getting a buff too

So what are the odds that these changes will end up being completely inconsequential and that the meta will be just as narrow and still just as defensive?

>>171645448
>>171645490
I'm hoping the Corona buff means it has a really fast cast speed or something like that. Make it the Faith equivalent of Great Farron Dart.

So with this patch shit, whats the ideal weapon for a pyromancer as side arm to the witch locks?

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Is DS3 PvP finally redeemed now?

I could cry...

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>increased weights for heavy armor

it was already completely unuseable with an ultra unless you have 40 vit

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Any advice on how to make myself more pretty?

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>Extended time when using the miracles of Gnaw, Dorhys' Gnawing and Wrath of the Gods.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN
WHAT DOES IT MEAN

>>171645572
What makes you think the next meta is going to be any better than the current?

>>171645594
Shut the FUCK up we're talking about the patch

>>171645448
>>171645448
I'M SORRY FOR EVER DOUBTING YOU, BASED MEMEZAKI

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>>171645339
It's fucking time boyo

>>171645581
chill out anon, we don't know exactly how much they increased them yet

>sharp buffed
>heavy armor has actual damage reduction but is also heavier
So dex with heavy armor is king now?

>>171645629
I'll sum it up for you
>everything looks REALLY good on paper.
We'll wait until it drops to see what they actually did numerically.

>>171645660
I'm wondering how significant the damage reduction buff is. Will we finally be able to go full tank mode?

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Have they declared how to enter the Ringed City yet?

Like how we talk to Uncle Gael in Cleansing Chapel for AoA?

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>>171645163
>>171645168
>>171645197
>Improved defense and also increased weights for heavy armor.
God I hope they didn't increase it too much my big man build would be ruined if I had to put on havels.

>>171645581
If they jack up the defense enough, it'll be worth throwing on Havel's.

It'll either be 10% more absorption and 50% more weight on everything, or 50% more absorption and 10% more weight on everything, with no chance for anything in between. Mark my fucking words.

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>curved greatswords already pretty good
>will get buffed even more

>getting hyped
I thought you knew better by now.
They will completely fuck up the numbers, you do know that, right?

>>171645523
of course he can. safe way to go about it is to use a strong attack on the wall to the right of the aqueduct exit. most times, it will kill the pushing fag and allow you to proceed uninterupted

>Heavy armour now weighs more
>As I'm already on 69.7%

FUCK

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>>171645761
>discovered the beauty of Ye Olde Wolfe Curvede Sworde only yesterday
>absolutely destroying with it in the arena
>patch comes out
>they're making it better

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Best gem for pyromancer's is pic related right? seeing it scaled both FTH and INT or is there something better?

>>171645595
Probably that it takes longer to cast them.

Is this the best patch in souls history?

>>171645816
That and Chaos do exactly the same thing.

>started using ultra swords today
>they get buffed

alright guys clearly whatever i change to will get buffed what do you guys want me to use?

>>171645761
Hopefully the damage increases are applied to everything other than the Exile. Buffing Murakumo/CCGS/Old Wolf is fine, those are so-so at best.

>>171645820
No that officially goes to SoTFS.
Sadly

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>>171645451
>>171645490
Does this mean it's time to remake my +10 claymore into heavy and dump all my dex points into faith?

>>171645820
I'd say the DLC patch for Bloodborne was the best, since we got all that juicy free content for vanilla. Either that or the one that added Aldia in SOTFS.

>>171645817
I sure hope not, WoG was already too slow as it is.

>>171645859
Exile is still gonna be absolutely ridiculous because they are also buffing Sharp.

So is pontiff curved sword the new meta?

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>>171645853
FUGS
what else is there?

>>171645796
I'm ready for Havel's to give 60% total physical absorption. Beam me up daddy Memezaki and Tam Tam.

>Increased frame rate for gameplay on PlayStation®4 Pro.
So 60fps on the Pro ?

Is it just me or is kicking alot easier in DS1 than DS3

>>171645532
The changes don't threaten any of the top weapons at high level tryhard play(unless standing katana r1 startup is way shorter or greataxe framedata is much better), so up there it'll still be the same as after carthus was nerfed, but for everyone else the variety will be increased tremendously if they're able to use ultras, lances, bad weapon arts and shit against average players and do well. If it lives up to the patchnotes it could be really good. The only thing I'm concerned about is possible over adjustment to dex/str scaling + buffed absorption resulting in slower fights at meta levels.

>>171645926
>he doesnt have two fugs
t.-50strength detected

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>sharp and heavy buffs mean low-level builds will get even more ridiculous
>inb4 it will make millwood axe even stronger

>>171645853
Blessed infusion please.

>>171645864
>heavy claymore
You could just use executioner's greatsword instead.

>>171645875
Free content was a co-op covenant, a based as fuck npc, and a spell item for bloodtinge. This patch comes with as substantial buff to pvp arena for proper team password matching and two more maps instead of the same old boring one, which is probably better in the long term.

>>171645820
If it holds up, definitely the best balancing adjustment, that's for sure.

>>171645860
>everyone hates soul memory more than Hitler
>we'll add a ring that pauses it

>>171645860
Not really the same thing though, It just made a garbage game playable.
Any improvements on vanilla DS2 would seem like the best patch ever.

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>>171645608
Strength builds being viable is 10x better imo

>Shortened attack window of Carthus Curved Sword and Dark Sword, Gargoyle Flame Hammer and Follower Sabre.
>Gargoyle Flame Hammer
What did Miyazaki mean by this?

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What the fuck does

>>Extended time when using the miracles of Gnaw, Dorhys' Gnawing and Wrath of the Gods.

mean? Is the fucking animation longer now?

>>171645971
You have a faster (or roughly as fast) kick in a slower game.

>>171645980
>The only thing I'm concerned about is possible over adjustment to dex/str scaling + buffed absorption resulting in slower fights at meta levels
It'd be nice if they could just make refined like quality was in DeS. Not too strong, not too weak. Lose a bit of power in order to get fucktons of weapon access instead of getting all the weapons plus higher power.

To be honest, how can they actually change heavy/sharp and refined in a way that refined doesn't become completely worthless? Refined scales off two stats so it's supposed to do more damage.

>>171645816
Chaos gem for pve, dark gem for pvp

>>171646039
Probably lowering the cast speed actually, since they're all retarded slow.

Anyone bored and kind enough to gift me an Ancient Dragon Greatsheild and Golden Crown on pc?
I havent played since launch and on a new character. Want to go straight through the game looking fashionable on a Faith build.
Would appreciate it.

I put a password on tower on the wall. bear

I wanted to match archdeacon set w/ red hilted halberd w/ this.

>>171646023
I don't know japanese, but just from context I'm willing to bet five unmuled divine blessings that they meant to say that the range/hitbox of CCS, dark sword, GFS, and follower sabre was shortened.

>>171646023
Those are all meme meta weapons that were considered OP so I doubt they're buffs.

I'm guessing shortening the attack window is analogous to reducing their hitbox/range ? No idea why flame hammer is there but I'm pretty sure they balance the game based on nippon statistics and it might be super meta there? More likely they're probably talking about the flame spear which seems more likely.

Entirey speculation desu famerino

>>171646068
>>171646057
Conversely, if you can make anything great with heavy or sharp, you don't need "more weapon access" that comes from dual stat investment.

>>171646039
Hopefully not. I'm sure it probably does, the patch can't be all perfect after all, but hopefully it means the spells themselves last longer instead of being slower to cast.

>>171646023
>>171646091
Sounds to me like it just means the active hitbox frames were reduced. So, hitbox stays out shorter than it used to.

>>171646113
I'm guessing spear. These patch notes are always notoriously horribly translated.

>>171646068
Refined allows you to be a sort of "jack of all trades" since you're about equally efficient with almost all weapons. "Jacks of all trades" can't also be "masters of them"

>>171646136
>Sounds to me like it just means the active hitbox frames were reduced.
I really doubt that they'll make those weapons have different active frames than others in their class, in DaS3 I can't think of any instance of the same attack having different frame data between different weapons in the same class. I think fist weapons are the sole exception where the same attack with a different weapon has different frame data.

>>171646068
>Refined scales off two stats so it's supposed to do more damage
Not necessarily. There are two reasons to level two different stats: either more power, or more versatility. For the sake of balance, one usually comes at the cost of the other.

The setup works just fine for spells, because spell requirements can get a little retardedly high and spell scaling can go up to 60 in one stat, meaning a build with 40/40 is actually giving up something and a build with 60/- can do things 40/40 or -/60 can't. But because weapons softcap at 40 normally and there isn't any physical weapon in the game you can't use with 40/40 (2hand), refined loses nothing and does more damage with 99% of weapons, which just invalidates everything else.

>Added function where various hosts could be displayed on the bonfire warp menu.
So they're adding the DS2 thing where it'd show what areas were active at your SL? That's pretty neat.

>>171646023
It's Gargoyle Flame Spear, Bamco fucked up.

At least that's what's mentioned on the JP patch notes From posted on their site.

http://www.darksouls.jp/info/info_170321_1.html

>>171646023
active frames, m8

>>171646134
That would just be the same thing, though. You'd still have one build that can do everything, it'd just be called something else instead.

>>171646196
They aren't the best just because they do more damage. They are the best because stamina needs are low, stamina was split, poise is pointless, and buffs suck. Once you factor all that in with our meta level, that is when refined becomes the best, not because it is too OP, but because every other option just plain sucks.

Crushing, Sharp and Quality were balanced against one another in DeS, any chances that they'll just turn Dark Souls 3's infusions into that?

Did they ever do anything to make weapon buff spells and anything with split damage worth using? I've been out of the loop

>>171646349
We're talking about refined in comparison to heavy/sharp. Not melee in comparison to casters. Do pay attention

>>171646292
>Gargoyle Flame Spear
That makes more sense.

>>171646456
Don't reply to me, retard.

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What's the best way to get a refined gem quickly?
Gold coins and red eyed knights in lothric?

>>171646234
I agree which is why I'm guessing range. If the Garg weapon actually means the spear then these are all weapons with unusually long range for their class. Range is variable within the same weapon class.

>>171646456
Refined wouldn't be broken if you had more than 4 stats to invest into.

>>171646491
You did it first, tripfriend

>>171646497
Captain's Ashes.

>>171646395
Ghe biggest difference in DeS was that going quality actually forced you to make sacrifices to have two full damage stats, because the meta level was lower for most of the game's life and you needed enough other stats to cast SC on every build. End being one stat reduced it a bit, but it was important enough that you still put more points into it that you do vit+end in 3 a lot of the time.

If heavy armor is buffed enough to make vit worthwile it will actually nake refined a bit worse though.

Why is Hollow getting nerfed?

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>>171646543
Thanks.
Hope I didn't buy it already.

So Refined is guaranteed to get overnerfed, right?

>>171646594
Miya got hit by a 40/40/40 blessed hollow greatsword once

>>171646514
If I fucked your mother would you get in line?

My post wasn't full retard like yours either. If you paid attention you would see that I also mentioned stamina and equip weight. If people needed more stamina, and if poise mattered enough to warrant raising equipload for it, then people would spend more points on them and have less to put into both str and dex. As a result, you would see more pure str and dex builds.

Additionally, if buffs did not suck,you would see more str or dex build with enough points in magic just to buff (i.e. something like 50 str and 30 int for a buff).

>>171646395
Crushing and Sharp were really restrictive in Demon's Because they only let certain weapon types be upgraded with sharp or crushing.

>>171646547
Heavy armor should deffo get buffed.

>>171646547
DeS had softcaps at 50 instead of 40, which is where the difference comes from. You couldn't just go 40vit/40end/40str/40dex there, because then you'd be doing less damage than 50vig/40end/50dex on top of having less HP.

>>171646654
It might not get overnerfed itself but since they're buffing both single stat scaling and heavy armor it might end up that 40dex/str + 30-50vit is better anyways.

>>171646719
There was always one exception in every weapon class. Halberds had the Mirdan Hammer, greatswords had the Flamberge, etc. I think the only ones that didn't have an exception were curved swords and rapiers.

What if Sharp and Heavy don't get increased scaling to 40, but instead just get improved scaling above 40?

>>171646792
This is probably the most sensible thing they could do.

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>kind of bored with DS3
>decide to finally try what people say is a "quality" build
>start as deprived
>game is suddenly unbelievably easy

Killed the rotten greatwood and got the hollowslayer, and I've just been putting five points into vit, end, str and dex at a time while staying under 30% equip load. I have literally killed every boss on the first try with this. This is fucking rediculous.

>>171645990
The Confederates were added in the DLC patch?

>>171646843
Yeah, initially BB only had Vilebloods, Executioners and HoH. Confederates were a godsend.

>>171646594
It doesn't say anything about Hollow infusion in the JP notes (only Refined is mentioned to be nerfed). Don't know where Bamco got this shit. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

>>171646809
>>171646792
Letting it scale beyond the cap and letting it scale better up to the cap accomplishes the same thing though.

>nerfing katana running R1s
Well, I never used running R1s much with my Washing Pole anyways, felt kind of cheap. Glad I never learned to depend on that crutch.

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NAME A BETTER BOSS STRATEGY THAN SNAPFREEZE, TOXIC MIST, FROZEN WEAPON, AND A WHIP'S IMPACT WA

PROTIP
YOU
CANT

>>171646830
Did you struggle with greatwood or something on previous playthroughs?
If you go quality or not literally does not matter in low SL.

>>171646957
There is a difference: Requiring people to level up to 60 would make investments in other stats less feasible, essentially forcing diversity at higher SL metas. Such as SL120.

>come back after months
>every invasion is still 4v1

glad to see nothing changes

>>171647009
Storyteller's Staff.

Pretty sure whip WA doesn't do shit against bosses though, and the only thing Snap Freeze would do is 200 damage and a slight decrease to defenses.

>>171646830
Hollowslayer is one of my favorite weapon.
High AR, 50% damage bonus against most ennemy in the game, the rolling attack and the heavy attack are useful and powerful and the model of the weapon is amazing

>>171647082
I didn't, I was saying that the weapon I got from it seems to rape face.
>>171647173
Dope damage and dope moveset, too bad it can't be infused.

>>171647009
I've got one.
>dodge
>hit boss
>>171647094
I understand but I don't see it fixing anything.
It wouldn't bring any kind of variety, not any real variety atleast.
>>171647220
Most weapons rape face, or you used something that was complete garbage on your other playthroughs.

>>171647296
>Most weapons rape face, or you used something that was complete garbage on your other playthroughs.
First I did big heavy strength before learning they made that unviable. Second I did pyro which was okay. Third was katana coolguy and regularly got my shit kicked in because of how little damage I did.

>bashing together a Friede's build, uses the minimum 11 Fai
>Pontiff's got buffed in the patch, but it requires 12 Fai
God damn it, back to Mugen.

>foggy area, can't see shit
>almost invisible enemies
>can't lock on
>using a spear, so no big sweeping attacks
>fucked up so many times I'm on half HP
I WISH MORE OF MY BONES WERE BROKEN

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>every invasion is still a gankfest

>>171646703
That is all irrelevant because infusions don't change weights and stamina costs. Keep trying.

>>171647152
he means this https://youtu.be/7y9edhYoyRQ

>>171647296
>I understand but I don't see it fixing anything.
>It wouldn't bring any kind of variety, not any real variety atleast.
At the very least, it would split quality builds into two separate builds that use different weapons. That's a definite improvement.

>>171647360
DaS2? There's an item in the snow DLC zone that makes them visible, assuming you're playing SotFS.

>i wait for hours for blue sentinel invasions
>the moment i invade instantly a blueberry

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>171645705

Kiln

The "dreg heap" moniker is shown when you drop down, meaning the dlc starts in a separate, already named location. Aka the kiln of the first flame.

>>171647490
What about it? A blue will always be summoned, its just not you.

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>invade as aldritch faithful
>enter a world with 2-3 phantoms
>this is the 11th time in a row

epic covenant

>>171647412
Why do they take so long to regain their stamina ?

>>171647425
Yes I'm playing SotFS. I don't know where that dlc is, nor do I care much honestly. I already realized there would be a trick to this area but I've pretty much got the hang of fighting ghosts now.
Met a talking head too, nice guy.

>>171647490
Is this an old character?

>Mace is completely inferior to LKS when lightning infused
I like them both but there's no point in using the mace when the sword is stronger, longer, faster, and has a better moveset

>>171647643
no literally just made and its exactly like day 1 of this piece of shit game

>>171645705
No, we can only speculate at this point..

>>171647625
toxin and frostbite slow down stamina regen

>>171647670
no luck for you then. keep trying though and keep optimal level range in mind

>all these retards in the thread thinking PvP will suddenly be good with these changes

You must be out of your fucking mind LMFAO

>>171647412
>boss strategy

I think not, bosses don't have stamina.

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>>171647714
not good, but fun anon

>>171647819
Fun doesnt exist in this fucking game, arena is full of meta and invading is full of ganking meta

Fun doesnt apply anywhere here unless youre the monst insensitive self hating piece of shit

>>171647490
>Million Cops
>About 3 and a half WoB hosts

>>171643246
So was Lost Sinner actually supposed to be a chick or was that just memes? It looks way too much like a dude for me to buy that and even if it's true in the "lore" I wouldn't be surprised if it was originally a dude and they just re-purposed the boss in mad scramble to get the full game together.

>>171647009
Yeah, now if only a vast majority of the bosses weren't immune to toxic and/or frost.

>>171647347
I played Sharp on my first playthrough and didn't have any problems. I used Uchi for the first half and switched to CCS after catacombs.
Not sure how you managed to fuck this up.

>>171647915

Dude inhabited by Izalith's bugs?

>>171643438
Then give it the Saint's Talisman flimsy prayer

>>171647873
That's kind of the point he was trying to make, anon. No one is hoping pvp will be good, just that it'll be fun again for a little bit.

>>171648093
What makes you think this game's PvP is anywhere near the term of fun? At all really. Ever wonder why you only see meta grief builds and nothing clever or original? Because you dont get to win with stupid builds thats why.

>>171647490
Sentinels not being summoned is a meme. There are too many sentinels for too few WoB users and apparently the matchmaking algorithm favours blue that have already won invasions

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>>171647873
People make their own fun. If I don't find any fun in something I'll make it fun for myself
>>171648093
Taht yes

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>>171647915
>The Lost Sinner eternally punishes herself for the sins of her past.
But I think the Lost Sinner is supposed to be the miniature Bed of Chaos bug inhabiting the body of some random prisoner.

If I'm going to continue leveling up past 120 should i push faith and int past 40/40?

>>171648137
I can't tell if you're missing the point or if you're being intentionally obtuse.

>>171647623
>dedicated ganking area
>complains he gets ganked
Just wait for more invaders, you dork. Back in the day, when the second invader got the same spot as the third summon, treehuggers had to kill the host and 2 phantoms alone. Now you can wait for backup any time

>>171648253
There's no point because this game's PvP is unfun meta cancer and if you somehow salvage a form of fun out of being assraped by ganks or having boring meta fights then suit yourself, but 90% of the people agree its dull and shit.

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>ctrl+f patch notes for estus
>0 found
You can buff ultras and nerf CCS all you like but as long as Estus is this braindead super fast abomination that enables horrible players this game will never be good

>heavy armour buffed
>heavy infusion improved
>synched worlds in Ariandel meaning I don't have to kill the host on the bridge every time he wastes my time by heading into the village
This is nice.

>>171647745
did you even watch the vid? the bosses just stand there, out of stamina
>>171648164
I think that bug is what provides the ng+ soul. The lost sinner's soul makes the greatsword, which is not connected to the bug in any way

>>171648296
Intentionally obtuse, got it. Go have fun, then. One of us has to.

Are sorceries and pyromancies getting nothing at all?

>a mad spirit teaming up with the host

Well

I think im done with this game

>>171648381
Maybe, but the bug is still present in the cutscene, regardless of cycle, and the camera even zooms in on it.

>>171648492
I'd wager they're getting a bunch of new things in the DLC and From didn't want to risk making them accidentally OP overall. We know pyro is getting a metric fuckton of new stuff, and there's one confirmed new staff and sorcery so far.

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>of all the spell types they could make busted above all others from decides to choose pyromancies of all things
>parting flame vestiges and black flame are still busted beyond redemption
>sorceries are still gimmicky roll catching chip damage shit where the main damage comes from a sword
>miracles are still das3 miracles

Thanks From.

>>171648534
I sort of do this.

Ocasionally when I invade as a grapist theres already a dark phantom, usually I try to help the darkie but I get pretty lazy and if the host keeps on running then I'm more inclined to just wait until the darkie fucks up and then get him.

Nothing personnel kid

>>171645939
They already said they'd never do that because it gives you an advantage over the other player.

It'll definitely be smoother though and I love it

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>lothric castle
>get invaded
>invader runs straight for the three golden winged knights
>host actually takes the bait and enters the area only to get mobbed in 5 seconds

Is the patch already available for download? I hope Morne's Greathammer is better now

>>171648881
Friday

>>171647915
The convict is a dude, but the actual Lost Sinner is the bug that crawls into his eye and controls him.

>>171645515
>probably orange borders like ds2

Jesus fucking Christ I hope that's it

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>>171648310
If you want honurabu PvP you can play arena.
And buffing UGS/GS/CGS speed effectively helps with punishing chuggers.

Not that it's hard to punish since you can just follow the guy and get two free R1s when he chugs.

mfw i can only readjust my stats one more time in my current NG+2

Should i go to NG+3 before the DLC comes out? Ill probably want to try more weapons and just one rebirth wont be enough, also more Titanite Slabs

>ng+8 undead settlement
>mound maker invades me
>I watch him get destroyed by hodrick, loses most estus
>gets parried by hodrick and almost dies
>runs away and black crystals

When did invaders get so retarded

>>171648296
Are you saying that DS2 wasn't meta cancer?

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POST YOUR WEAPONFU YOU ASHEN SHITTERS

NOT YOUR META WEAPON CHOICE FLAVOR OF THE DAY SHIT EITHER YOU FILTHY DEGENERATE YOUR ACTUAL WEAPONFU

>>171645445
If you don't want spoilers, don't come on /vg/ or /v/ thread for a game. The spoilers start BEFORE the release in most sites because imageboards will host all the leaks there is.

kinda sad they didn't update farron greatsword WA, had some hope after seeing the cut content

>>171647173
I hate its crossguard tho. Looks stupid

>>171649148
how can you like this shit though?
everything about it is bad

>increased weight and defence for heavy armors

FUCK YES

My sl 300 ng+13 character is gonna love it and need it

>>171649153
That's not the same thing as actively replying to my response to another person, where I specifically said that it was my first time doing the fight.

>>171649090
>Stay in NG+2
>Get DLC weapons/slabs/whatever else you want
>Use last respec to try said weapons
>Go to NG+3 for more respecs

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>>171649148
OLD
WOLF
CURVED
SWORD

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>>171649148
>his spear doesn't have wings

>>171649186
not that guy but in low SL (50ish) it absolutely wrecks shitters.

>>171649241
I just realised that i've used most of the slabs i've gotten in my NG.
I hope there's just as many slabs in ringed city as there was in ariandel.

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>>171649186
>loyal partner throughout every single souls game
>bad

I SUPPOSE IN THE CASE OF DARK SOULS 3
>fast swings
>wide swings
>easy to rollcatch with
>decent parrybait projectiles
>well within 2-shot range in terms of damage
>continually buffed from average weapon to stellar staple
>soon to be buffed weapon skill

DON'T YOU EVER CALL MY WEAPONFU BAD AGAIN YOU FUCKING SLIMEBALL

>>171649239
Yeah well you're liable to get that one asshole or a retard who gives spoilers and makes things shit for everyone because there are no consegunses for that.

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>>171649268
swings>wings
>>171649148
C L A Y M O R E
>tfw no SLB to go with my clayclay

>>171649094
>almost

How much fucking health did this guy have? Hodrick riposte does 4 billion damage

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>>171649148
At least these can still shit out damage no problem

>>171649492
>triple split AR
>all scaling off different stats

Do yourself a favor and try using other paired curved swords for once.

>>171649148
Does a Pyromancy Flame count? If not I'll go with the Black Knight UGS.

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>Miracles are getting buffed again
>When they were already meta

What the fuck Miyazaki

>>171643438
This, that's fucking awful, miracles are shit as fuck and need that hyper armor to trade, pyros can go fucking neck themselves the cunts

Patch notes where?

>tfw accidentally drop 13 silky and smooth stones

>every invasion is passworded muled phantoms

Epic pee see masterud rees

>>171649646
Reddit.

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>>171649646
>what is ctrl+f________________

At 25/25 Int/Faith on a Str/Pyro build, should I go for a spell slot ring or Great Swamp? More damage vs more spells.

>>171647652
Mace still has hyper armor, perseverance, blunt damage and really good poise damage.

>>171649646
Here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/60mif2/the_patches_notes_march_24th_no_spoilers/

>>171649714
Depends on how much att you have and if you feel like you need more spells. Also Witch Ring>Swamp Ring

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>no whip buffs
>not even a mention

That's fine.

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>>171649148
>Pokes
>Slams
>Cleaving
>Cool WA

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>7 more days

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I WANT IT NOW

>>171649714
You want atleast one damage ring, so great swamp.

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This is an awful patch, probably the worst yet.

> Speeding up reactive weapons like UGS, Great Hammers and CGS and making them cost less.
> Slowing down the running attack of katanas which was the only response to poise meta.
> Didn't fix Frostbite or make it scale with luck, just make it build up faster.
> Nerfing Dark Sword when it was already a complete joke.
> Giving Greatlances hyper armor so now they can be reactive too.
> Nerfing bleed build up which was the only way to deal with greatshields.
> Sharp & Heavy infusion got better while Refined & Hollow infusion got worse.
> Increasing the defense of heavy armor because why aren't you a poise build yet.
> Buffing miracles when they're already strong in the poise meta.
> Still no fixes to sorcery, rolls or invasions.

>>171643514
Black flame isn't broken without poise, but it'd be if it had any poise.

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>>171649148
Pardon me, superior taste coming through

>>171649768
They're already okay. The buff to sharp will make them be somewhat more damaging.

>>171649761
30 Attunement. Currently using GCFO, Profaned Flame, Fire Surge and Great Combustion. This is a themed build so I'm not going to be using dark pyros.

>>171649761
>>171649805
Already have Witch's Ring, just don't know whether it's worth it to go for more damage when I already have it.

Also, should I go for the Parting Flame or the regular flame? Parting seems good for trading with Combustion, and it has a cool WA to use as a gesture, but regular flame does more damage I think.

>>171645209
Oh boy I can't wait till heavy armor ultras become the new meta and I'm stuck with my slightly more fluid lightning stake casts, whoopie

>>171649024
You don't understand anything

Good early pyromancer weapon?

>>171649920
Offensive miracles are actually a part of the meta right now against the common heavy armor poise + GS / warpick. Imagine what they'll be like now.

>>171649148
already posted it here>>171645926

>>171649714
If you plan to use a Pyro damage increase ring, Witch's Ring > Swamp Ring. The Witch ring increases pyro damage by 20% while the swamp ring is only 12%. And if you plan to make use of pyromancies at 25/25, I'd definitely use the Witches Ring and just make sure you have a fair amount of ATT, 22 is a nice amount imo for your build. Not too much but enough to where you can throw out the occasional fireball.

>>171645448
Ooh wow, motion, that'll balance out how there is only 3 usable offensive miracles

>>171649836
There is no poise meta, all of the poise weapons have way worse framedata than smaller shit. They're retard killers only. Unless they're way faster they'll still be slow ass crossbow/backstab bait. WP WDR1 isn't even the best response to ultras.

>>171649920
If we're talking damage, Sunlight Spear is better to trade with at close range. People don't seem to understand when at close range it does bonus damage. Just use Stake to catch rolls and trick people. But for full on trades, go for SL Spear.

>All these pyromancer "builds"
>not dual flames or flame and whip or hand axe.
You are all an embarrasment to the Great Swamp.

>>171649973
Something raw, fire, or deep infused.

>>171650085
Clearly you haven't been in the arena. About 3/4 of the playerbase wears heavy armor and uses a greatsword or warpick and waits for trades.

The only way to beat 'the meta' right now is running attacks with washing pole, spears or playing just as passively with miracles.

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>>171649148
FUGS

The REAL FUGS

Not DaS3's massively nerfed version

>buffing heavy armor
>nerfing all the poking weapons
So did From just enforce the poise GS meta?

>>171650114
>implying I don't use the Demon Fists
Get on my level, swampnigger.

>>171649895
Anon, ultras as they are RIGHT NOW can r1 on reaction to my r1s and get HA to beat me up with them. Post buff that window on those weapons will grow even bigger.

Whips would need a huge AR buff and since sharp only controls scaling, lock's will still remain the only usable whip unless poison buffs are huge (and even then, spotted will likely be worse than other poison proc weapons)

A weapon class that punishes you for ever pressing r1 when you're not out of a roll is fucking awful and after this patch they'll still only have two okayish moves which aren't even that special but are the only ones that don't give people huge chances to kill you.

>>171649973
Longsword.

>>171650213
Yes.

>>171650114
This. I see people talking pyromancy builds yet they're still using their weapon 85%+ of the time and the pyromancy is such a second thought and nowhere near as potent as it could be if they actually tried to make a genuine pyro build. Right hand with a normal flame for throwing balls, left hand with parting flame for those combustion/black flame/sacred flame uses.

There was a mistranslation about the casting of miracles. The real translation is:

Extended the time you can move during the casting of the miracles of Gnaw, Dorhys' Gnawing and Wrath of the Gods

>>171650157
>About 3/4 of the playerbase wears heavy armor and uses a greatsword or warpick and waits for trades.
And those players only kill retards. Go get an arbalest or avelyn, seriously. The only poise weapon you should feel threatened by are offhand greataxes.

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>>171650165
>that fucking wrist flick with a 4 million pound sword

>>171645820
It's not out, we don't really know what they've changed and the translation seems like they didn't really do much at all to make one of the most prominent and weakest playstyles at all playable besides changing the motion a bit, whatever the fuck that entails
I'm willing to bet ultras will be very powerful now, hyper armor and poise, lower stamina and faster swings, sounds to me like anything shorter and with less poise damage is fucked, it may have gone from GS to UGS

>>171650157
>use fire surge
>they can't do anything about it
>use a crossbow
>they can't do anything about it
>use darts
>they can't do anything about it
>fish for BS
>they can't do anything about it

If they pull a shield, they just started 1h a weapon that only has poise 2h, so you beat them normally.

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What the fuck was their problem?

I hope the DLC adds Stone Ring because I am fucking sick and tired of poise builds and miracle builds.

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>>171650165
>never got a chance to use pre nerf FUGS with 66 str and blessed weapon

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Is there some new fad going around caused by Oro or Peeve or some souls playing, youtube/twitch shithead where the only thing people want to wear is Leonhard's Hat, Farron Top, Farron leggings, and thorn gauntlets? I swear 7 out of every 10 people I run into have that exact set up. At the very least they'll have Leonhard's Hat + Farron top. Fuckin' A it's not even that fashionable. And since I don't follow those youtube/twitch souls shitters anymore my assumption is that they started it.

What Ultra should I run through the dlc with when it releases?

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Was Poise a mistake?

>>171650442
Cathedral Knight, because strike damage breaks PvE.

>>171649919
I'd say stick with 30 att and go Witch's Ring. Damage>Another slot. Parting or regular flame comes down to preference and how often you use combustion. I'd say get both but slab the one you prefer

>>171650510
Or you could slab both since you get plenty of slabs per playthrough unless you're some stupid piece of shit who never goes beyond the first game cycle.