/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

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TINKMASTER OVERSPARK

Reno fights the cancer and anyone who says otherwise is an asshurt aggroshitter

>>171444565
gay

>>171444565
Is that one of the new un'goro cards?

Why do you guys keep making new threads for a dead game?

>>171444713

*turns you into a 1/1 squirrel*

>>171444565
Underrated card

>>171444565

Weren't you able to target his effect once upon a time?

Would being able to do so now change anything?

>>171444662
reno is cancer
aggro is cancer
jade is cancer

the truth is this game just isn't very fun, and you're all playing it because you've spent too much money to quit

>>171445103
*rapes your tight little asshole after becoming a 5/5 dinosaur*

>>171445335

Joke's on you, I play Jade Burgle'thun and have a blast. Do decently well too.

So is this Blizzard's new game plan?

- Cards cycle out
- First set power level 1 (Old Gods)
- Second set power level 2 (Gangs) completely overpowers first set and removes it from meta so you're forced to buy it
- Third set does the same thing to second set
- Cards cycle out
- Repeat

>>171445370

jokes on you my asshole is loose as hell bro

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How is mage fairing these days? I haven't played since WOG and just finished Karazan, the whole adventure seemed a little underwhelming.

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>>171446486
Only way they can win is by spamming unending delaying spells and/or bursting the face to death

>>171446486

You're gonna play Reno Mage and you'll fucking like it.

>>171446486
Dragon Priest is cancer for Mage.

>>171445725
That's every TCG's plan.

>>171445491
Hmm... Should I just buy WotOG packs? That seems to have the fun (if less viable) decks like evolve shaman and cthun

>>171446838

Well, considering that "Jade Burgle'thun" is mixing two expansions and an adventure, specifically purchasing from one seems like a bit of a waste. Plus, a new expansion is coming. Coming fairly soon, hopefully, to justify their fucking TB gift this week. Save your cash till then.

People give Kibler a lot of shit but I really enjoyed his Un'Goro card review, especially how in depth he went with talking about the pirate eating crab and how it's bad design

are jades really that much of a problem for future control decks?

>>171447508
Yes
How do you counter a constantly rising tide of putridly-valued minions? You either win fast or get smashed by 1-mana 6/6s

>>171447508

Depends on the answer to this question: will they introduce ways to reset/slow the Jade buff counter?

If yes: questionable
If no: yes

>>171447138
He's one of the few people who has actual firsthand experience with CCGs as both a professional player (MtG) and as a lead designer (WoWTCG) so I take his opinion heavier than most HS streamers.

That being said the "your narrative was false" reply on reddit was a stupid move. Regardless of who is in the right the timing of it only serves to make him look like a Blizz shill.

>>171447508
Imagine a single card that can
>Make it so you can't fatigue
>Constantly give you higher and higher stated minions
Imagine:
>super late game, you're a control warrior
>You have all your single target removals, you've only used your two Brawls
>You have two Shield Slams, Two Executes, Two Crush's. You can handle a total of 6 large minions from hand.
>Jade Druid has played 6 Jade cards (Two of the 6 mana minions, 2 of the 4 mana minions, and 2 other random ones)
>Jade Druid plays 2 Jade Idols, both shuffling 3 into his deck
>He now has, in his deck, a 6/6, 7/7, 8/8, 9/9, 10/10, 11/11, and a 12/12
>Or he can wait on summoning the 12/12 to put another 12/12 into his deck along with a 13/13 and a 14/14
>Then he can stall the 14/14 to put another 14/14, and a 15/15 and 16/16 into his deck
>This repeats until you are dead because he can generate more minions than you have removals for
>Jade Druids can generate infinite minions, only stopped by the druid's opponent fatiguing, meaning he can always have more minions than you have answers for
>You, as a full control deck, can't have more answers than them, and they can beat you in fatigue
>You, as a full control deck, are useless as they beat you in what you designed your deck to do

>>171447102
I'm f2p and still have to buy the last wing of kazakhstan, but I'm planning ahead

>>171447508
It cements rock paper scissors even more, either kill the Jade fast or lose. Aggro wins,control loses. Midrange forever dead as it also is in the same boat as control, but it was dead anyway

>>171448006
But control MUST still be ok, because Mike says its still being played

>>171447508
It feels horrible to play against as control. You basically feel like you're on the clock on turn one but unlike aggro the game is drawn out over 20 minutes instead of 5.

Control v Control used to be one of the actual more skill-intensive matchups in HS because it came down to gauging what threats/answers your opponent has left while getting the most value out of your own. Against jade they have one threat and it's an endless army of jade.

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I really like Priest, and I really like Warlock. But I can't play dragon priest due to not having a few key cards. And I can't play reno warlock because I don't have reno. I tried making a Priest kazakus deck and it gets mixed results. It's almost always fun though. Any ideas or ways to improve it? Otherwise, whats some good priest/warlock decks out right now?

>>171448827

I don't see Zoolock much, but when I do it mulches me. Try that.

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Will Rag, Sylvanas, Azure etc still drop in classic packs after the are removed from standard?

>>171448905
I wanted to, but then I realised if I wanted Silverware golem it'd be 700 gold, and then PO would be removed next patch and zoo would die.

>>171448917
No.

>>171448974

Silverware Golem isn't as important to Zoo as you may think. And you still have a month or so to wring tears from shitters with PO before it's removed, so go forth to Legend!

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>>171449052
I took a deck and modified it since I was missing malcazars imp (fucking adventures) and silverware golem. I have a golden warlock, and I LOVE playing warlock, but all the decks online involve adventure stuff and its impossible to ask for advice there.

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>Everytime i'm about to remove sprint from my deck it wins me a game
It's like the card knows

>>171449164

I'd drop the two Mistresses for another Fist and Leeroy, since the potential +8 healing can make ALL the difference in a Zoo game.

Also, drop Unlicensed and add at least ONE Forbidden Ritual. That card is bonkers in Zoo and 500% bonkers with Darkshire in play.

>>171449359
I really need to buckle down and craft leeroy.. But okay, thank you. I had two forbidden rituals and I found them dead often, but 1 might be pretty good! Thanks, this will surely make the deck a lot better

>>171449448

I'm also a bit uncomfortable with the Wrathguards, I think you'd get better overall value out of Peddlers instead, but I guess 4 attack on turn 2 ain't nothing to fuck with.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think that the Zoolock list that dominated large stretches of the WOG meta hasn't changed a fucking bit. See if you can dig up an older decklist, you might find some success there.

>>171449689
Wrathguards have proven pretty damn powerful so far imo. Peddlers would be better, but I also dont have those XD

So pirate hungry crab is just going to be used to give pirate warriors a 3/4 on t2 right? After it eats a nzoths first mate or patches that has already attacked twice

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>craft meme captain kragg
>best decision of my life

>>171449973
Yes. Pirate Warrior gets a Totem Golem without Overload

>>171450157
>crafting something that's being rotated out in less than a month

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>tfw you play meme romanian on arena
>tfw he concedes when you were going to so the thank you looks like you're bragging instead of thanking him for the match

>>171449973

Pretty much. Blizzard figured it would follow the same logic as Hungry Crab not seeing play in Murloc decks, oblivious to the fact that Murloc decks CAN'T PLAY A CHARGE MINION FROM THE DECK ON TURN ONE.

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>>171450482
kek no it won't redditors

>>171450387
>>171450482
Fucking blizzard and their terrible designs

>>171450551
That's only because pirates in general are going to get powercreeped out

>>171450551

Explain to us how it won't

>>171449973
Yep. Pirate decks can play it to get 3/4 for 2 mana which also helps in mirrors while other decks gamble on having a tech card.

>>171450613
That's reasonable

>>171450424
I have almost all the pirates save ships cannon so come rotation i'll probably craft that and roleplay in wild, sucks having to play against hyper cancer though

>>171450634
It's completely useless if it isn't in your opening hand. More than useless in fact. It's unplayable literally any turn other than turn one, and Pirate Warrior can't afford dead draws during critical junctures in games.

>>171444662
Jades are absolutely the worst brainless cancer in the game right now. We need aggro shitters to keep reno faggots in check.

>>171451047
>It's unplayable literally any turn other than turn one
Wat

>>171451124
one or two I should have said. My point still stands, however.

>>171451047
Still better than bloodsail raider, better to have more early game than put all your eggs in the 'draw win axe' basket

>>171451553
I mean at least it's common, so everyone can get a hold of it easily.

>ramp druid plays deathwing
>i have life tap and a whole stream of cards to play, no way he can win
>he topdecks giant taunts every single fucking turn for 5 turns
this game is fucking stupid man

>>171451529
How is "lose 1/1, get 3/4" better than "get 3/3"? Extra healtrh is good and all, but you also lose the possibility to play Bloodsail Cultist next turn.

why is prince malchezar in arena?

>>171452000
Some classes can't delete a turn 2 3/4 as easy as others though

And let's not forget that the warrior can still expect to bump into OTHER pirate warriors now and then, and hence the crab can nom theirs instead

>>171451553
That image should have the gnome 1/4 charge+taunt, too

>>171452000
Well if you're not equipping a weapon on 2 your generally not going to cultist on 3, though it's also worth mentioning southsea captain would do worse in this hypothetical deck as there's generally going to be less token minions such as n'zoths first m8 and patches on the field causing it to lose immense value

>>171445312
yes and yes, it was a terrible idea that should not be reverted

>>171451553
That's a pretty good taunt against weapon classes

>>171452359
I was reluctant to put that on there since Charge adds some value and is part of a Priest Meme OTK

>>171452429
It's a good taunt full stop

>>171452428
I've been thinking a lot, and I feel like it should be half targettable. Like, transform a random enemy minion or random friendly minion based on what you target. Or a random minion that ISN'T the one you target. Anything to make it more than a clown fiesta card. Also add in a 3/3 bear (no taunt) as a third possibility for the morph

>>171452000
>get 3/4" better than "get 3/3"?
I think the difference between three and four health is a lot, there are a fair amount of cards that do 3 damage but not 4, AoE included

>>171452521
I think it just helps illustrate how confused they are about the value of a 3 drop.

>>171448917
Of course not you fucking imbocile

>>171452689
>Pain acolyte used to be a 2/4

>>171452610
I was just musing about taunts in Hearthstone. More often than not cheap sturdy taunts helped aggro decks more than all others by preventing trades and weapon kills. I wonder if it will help zoo decks more than antiaggro decks. 1/5 with taunt for 3 mana is okay and it kills most cheap minions attacking it, doesn't die to FWA, Eaglehorn Bow or Truesilver.

>>171452838
I think the card is going to be short-lived in the meta. Second-Rate Bruiser is a 4/5 all the time and can be 3 mana against aggro and zoo, which looks like it's making a comeback. Tar Creeper is going to be cut from most lists once the decks get refined.

Surely the Patriarch has always been a joke next to Sen'Jin Shieldmasta alone

Or did the Beast tag used to be considered more valuable

>>171452997
>I think the card is going to be short-lived in the meta. Second-Rate Bruiser is a 4/5 all the time and can be 3 mana against aggro and zoo
Makes sense

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>>171452689

I haven't played in a while and I cannot fucking believe they wasted a Rogue card on the "HAHA Rager cards are understat'd GREAT meme right GUYS?" bullshit they pull every expansion.

Surely they must realise they look like fucking morons for wasting class cards on shitty jokes.

>>171453490
Shut the fuck up retard no one cares about your crying

>>171453612
lol

>>171453612

Calm down you little shit some people actually want to see card distribution taken seriously.

When old xpacks rotate out will we receive dust refunds of any kind or are they just dead cards? Same deal for Hall of Fame, is my Sylvanas going to be worth 1600?

>>171454713
No, regular rotation alone does not refund any dust. Rag and friends were a special exception (for some reason?)

>>171454713
Hall of Fame cards you get the dust they're worth to craft for free without anything happening to your card, up to the amount you can have in a deck.

Rotating sets are worth jack.

>>171453490
It's not actually a bad card though, I'd say it's still a top 40 consideration to make it into aggro rogue right now and it's fun to use(meme)

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Rag or Deathwing?

>>171455190

They're both win conditions, Rag is more consistent though. Probably.

>>171455190
deathwing is not only better, but more memey

What just happened to Kripp is the funniest fucking thing I've seen on his stream in a while

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>buy pack
>pick up side cardfu and make 40 dust annually

How will hoardies ever recover?

>>171456274
I used to like her before MSG

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Counter play vs. Jade and Nzoth decks
Still isn't good enough

>go first in tavern brawl like 5 times in a row
I just want to win this coinflip simulator, jeez

>>171458210
Don't attack their taunt unless you can do consistent face damage
That's literally the trick to this brawl

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>>171458210

Fuck this brawl, it was a one and done for me. Party Crashers are shit/10.

>>171458490
Yeah, this is a laughably bad brawl for a laughably bad game

But I want to get my quest out of the way with a class that I haven't even unlocked all the basic cards for

>somehow opponent ropes endlessly, with a card hovering over his face
>wait like 7 minutes, close the game
>Open it again to see me with 4 health and a party crasher killing my opponent

"Well played"

Blizzard is a godawful company and you're an idiot if you give them your money

Interdimensional child molesters are coming in through your cigarette smoke

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>>171448827
>Reno deck
>no Reno

>>171458621
But the technology for reconnecting isn't there yet anon, you can't expect a small indie dev team to instantly implement every feature you would like to have.

>>171458490
>tfw when I dusted CoTW but want to craft it again after seeing that meme greed hunter in the tournament

>>171458768
>when when

>save coin for turn 7 COTW

What a meta that was

>>171458927
Who would have thought such value would be exceeded so soon

>>171458745
Can they implement the feature where they just go out of business
all they do is release skinner boxes for the last like 10 years

>>171459367
HAHAHA

Nope, blizzdrones will gobble up any shit they get served as long as Blizzard is printed on it. Such is nostalgia.

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>when your opponent has to hover over your meme card because they don't recognize it and asses on the spot how threatening it is

people always really wanna kill rumbly bumbly

To the faggots arguing about the Gorlakka Crawler; you realise that you NEED to destroy a pirate, right? Warriors now only run 3 1/1 pirates in the deck, anything past fly poly or I'm in charge now and it's a dead draw, which PW can't afford.

Pirates will likely still be cancer, and the crab is a terrible design.

>>171460973
That portrait is fucking awful

>>171460973
literally why not play yu1-gi-oh at that point

>>171444470
Why do people insist on comparing Elise and Cabalist tome? Cabalist tome develops nothing and gives, on average, really good cards. Elise develops a decent body for the cost, and gives you, on average, ok cards. Elise is gonna generate a lot more value, though, since she can produce minions and spells and averages a legendary.

>>171461364
>shatter, shatter, arcane missiles

>>171461364
it's a slow control card
>control
There's the problem

>>171461364
cabalist tome is much more stable as mage only spells
elise shuffles a pack into your deck that gives 5 random cards out of ~150 card pool

>>171461457
>tfw you're able to clear his two taunts with your frost nova and two shatters and use the arcane missiles for guaranteed lethal

>>171461457

>skill portal is balanced because one time it gave me wisp

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>>171461364

I haven't followed the meta in a while, does Renolock still run combo or not?

>>171461696

They all seem to run Leeroy+PO+faceless

>>171461696
Yes if you want any hope of beating jade

>>171461553
The thing that irritates me the most about this is that control warrior wasn't the best control deck because of value, it was because warrior was one of the only classes that could reliably get to the late game.They could have printed less 1 drops and more decent anti-aggro cards and the meta would have 5 different styles of control decks, but they had to decide the heaviest deck for the next two years
>>171461696
Sometimes. It's either combo or Jaraxxus. Both have their advantages

>>171461553
>Either kill your opponent through intense aggro like pirates or have some sort of fun and interactive combo like leeroy or miracoli, and hope Druid's intense amount of healing doesn't fuck it all up

this seems dumb.

>>171461903
*takes away your power overwhelming, ice lance, and conceal combos*
Limit those options to two

dead game

I just beat a jade shaman in fatigue with my standard secret paladin. WEW what a story to tell

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Do you think she uses the whip for other things, too?

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Is this the only card that you can reasonably argue couldn't have been printed when blade flurry was 2 mana? Even then I think the argument is weak

>>171461942
omg it's literally 'you're gonna play this now no counters allowed'

>>171462046
cards bad though, the fact that it requires a clean hero power set up is immensely hindering

>>171462063
I really, really want to believe that blizzard is gonna surprise everyone with a relatively slow card that counters Jade, but I doubt it. Dirty Rat is the only clever card in MSoG that saw any play

the amount of gold i saved when the expansion releases is the amount of extra packs i'm gonna buy with money

>>171462163
You could make (again, a very weak argument) that you can play it on 4 in a high tempo rogue deck and it poses a threat that they may not want to remove cause it might be death, or you could play it after blade flurrying. But yeah, not a very impressive card.

>>171462270
Why not just save a bunch of extra money and get a really cool card back with preordering?

t. Cen Crode

>>171462384
doing that too ;^)

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So are all the other (online) card games dead?

Some competition would be really good for the Hearthstone team.

>>171462571
SV and Gwent are not dead though

>>171462046
Answered my own question and found 2 more theoretical cards. Only 1 of them is any good though.

>>171462571
Faeria is fun and still somewhat alive.
Of course it will never compete with a Blizzard game but unless you're some sort of serious business e-sports hyper competitive gamer it doesn't matter.

>>171461553
Every time Ben Brode speaks up, I realize he's just a hype machine and he's good at this job, if nothing else.

Every time Mike Donais speaks up, I don't even know anymore.

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>>171462745
Forgot image

>>171462829
Fucken fork
>The minion costs 1 more than a 3/2 normally does
>The WEAPON he GIVES you costs 1 mana more than a 3/2 normally does

>>171462829
compare them to spell damage if you want to know how negligible the impact on bladeflurry is

so let me get this straight,if i craft a golden ragnaros(assuming i dont have any copies right now),and dust it after the new standard cycle arrives,do i profit by 1600 dust?

>>171462967
But anon a 4 mana 5/4 with spell damage would be OP! How could we ever print something that powerful?
>>171462906
But anon hero powering and then deadly poisoning costs 3 mana, therefore an equivalent weapon should be 3 mana. And then you can deadly poison that for value!


Rest in peace rogue board clears

>>171462906
Yeah, that really was a shit card.

Honestly the weapon you got in your hand should have cost 1 mana. Then it's 4 mana for a 3/2 and a 3/2 weapon spread over 2 turns. The 1 mana weapon would also better enable combos and such which would compensate for the loss of tempo you get from playing the 3/2 and waiting for it to die.

Don't know what they were thinking making it 3. That's 6 mana to shit on your own tempo while also doing nothing that synergizes with the rest of the class.

>>171463121
Well you spend 3200 dust to craft it, gain 3200 dust because hall of lame and gain by dusting it 1600. So yes.
Question stands why would you dust it?

>>171462571
Gwent is discussed more on Hearthstone-related forums than actually played, and SV is not a thing outside Asia and /vg/.

I wish someone competent un-cucked Hearthstone.

>>171463182
i dont like having gold cards,it either has to be full golden or full normal for me

>>171462046
>>171462334
>>171462829
Blade Flurry wasn't removed because it limited design space. They mentioned design space in the reasoning, but that wasn't the reason.

Blade Flurry was nerfed because it gave Rogues solid AoE with set-up, and that isn't part of their vision for Rogues as a class.

The problem is that they have no idea what Rogue is supposed to be. They don't really get weapons because it has anti-synergy with their hero power, they don't get healing, taunt, or AoE. They sometimes mention strong single-target removal as a Rogue trait, but Rogue single-target removal is mediocre at best.

So rogue gets a 6 mana pirate that gets buffed if you have a strong weapon, and some random stealth synergy cards, and some more pirates, and some stealing cards, and a flower that reappears if you play a bunch of cards in one turn because that's a thing that a Rogue deck does, and some crappy legendaries that play for value in a tempo focused class, and's its a total mess of a class.

>>171463243
But if you craft normal ragnaros again, you literally don't get anything.

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>when you want to have fun with Renounce lock but end up getting back to rank 15 from 11 because you never draw renounce

>>171463284
i own normal ragnaros though,do i not get dust for both golden and non-golden when the hall of fame goes live?

also im not planning on playing wild

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>when you want to have fun with Explore Ungoro but in 100 packs you haven't even opened a single copy because it's an epic rarity card

>>171463336
No.
Only the one with highest value.

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So this is what 150 bucks worth of Hearthstone cards gets you. Nice.

>>171463269
But Mike said his favorite class is rogue, he would never lie to us right?

>>171463452
I've opened Noggenfogger Genzo and Knuckles. Feel your pain, my friend.

>>171463452
>tfw my first 3 legendaries this expac were finja, patches, and a second patches

I am sick of blizzard's jewery

this is next to disgusting

this is outrageous

>>171463771
What is it this time.

You're going to have to be more specific

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Can we discuss this card? I legit think this card will be autoinclude in every rogue deck. People here think 4 cards is hard to do in a turn, but rogue does shit like that all the time. Also they think it's bad because you can't do it forever. If you revive it even once it already is worth the mana cost. I think this will be in decks in things like miracle and aggro and n'zoth. It's just so easy to activate 2-3 times in a game and will be worth.

>>171463924
I think it will be quite good in miracle, but no conceal really hurts miracle. In a non-miracle deck, it's bad.

>SV makes 2 legos per craft in next xpac
>wow, this lego looks good, I wonder if it will make <insert craft here> control good

>HS makes 2 legos per craft in next xpac
>JEEEEEWS

Nice game there

>>171463924
If you use it with head crack you only have to play 2 cards each turn in a sense

>>171464005
SV has better drop rates for legendaries

>>171463970
You don't need conceal. Many people already cut conceal for more tempo oriented lists, with things like red mana worm or playing SI:7 agents. Also aggro commonly plays a minion, shadowsteps, plays it again and maybe drops edwin or plays a spell they stole with swashburglar. It'll be played in that too

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>>171464005
>get 1.5 pack per day in SV
>get 8 cards per pack with 50% rare or better

>>171463924
I agree that the potential value of the card is great, but Rogue is just going to get punched in the face to death. Playing for more value with N'zoth is crazy.

I have a hard time believing that playing a 4 drop that dies to 2 mana cards or removal that has a not EASY way to respawn is just going to kill your tempo and you're going to get killed.

I'd be more optimistic about this card if it had taunt or some way to add sustain. But as it is I think it's just more stuff that isn't what Rogue needs.

>>171463924
I think using this card with N'zoth would be a critical error. You have to remember that once it's been summoned it can never be gotten rid of without a transform or silence. In addition every time it dies would be another copy N'zoth would make.

You could literally end up being only able to play 1 minion a turn because your entire board is full of useless tokens if it died enough times before you played N'zoth then your opponent board cleared all the shitty 5/3s on your side of the board because 3 health is well within the range of pretty much every late game board clear in the game.

That is a worst case scenario, but still. An average N'zoth if you've revived thing thing enough could result in 4-5 or your 7 board slots being permanently clogged, which would quickly become very restrictive. Especially considering that as late in the game as that is, you're unlikely to have 4 cards to play in a turn to revive them all.

>>171463798
>>171463798
see
-raise the prices of packs
-150 bucks gets you 30% of an expansion
-blatantly powercreeps forcing you to pay again
-removes adventures
-instead of nerfing certain cards they move them to wild so you can't use them anymore
-heroic brawl right before an expansion for the second fucking time
-blocks fun cards behind epic/legendary rarity and crap cards are sent to common, forcing you to buy more packs
-and charges all of this revenue for a game that:
a) is poorly scripted
b) is not playtested at all
c) can't get quick patches because devs are too lazy/stupid to rewrite the code
d) has inconsistencies everywhere
e) so devs take three(3) months to fix a cancerous meta and somehow manage to make it worse
f) instead of buffing cards (cards that can still show on your BOUGHT packs) they just print more so you have to buy again
g) has the game filled with literal filler cards so you don't get too much value from your packs

>>171464101
Decks are 60 cards and three copies per leggo. Crafting is quite expensive, too.

>>171464210
>can't get quick patches
*fixes the brawl after 2 days*
heh

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>171463924
>4-mana 5/3
>no immediate effect
This card has no place in any aggro deck, it's better to run like double Naga Corsair and Xaril or something.

>>171464228
>Decks are 60 cards
40. Also, crafting is relatively cheaper than in Hearthstone. ~10 packs gives enough dust to craft a lego.

>>171464228
decks are 40 cards and there are you rarely need 3 copies in deck, lego drop is 1.5% per card, so 11,4% of lego per pack. I wonder what drop rate of legos is in HS

>>171464228
You seem to forget that you don't actually have to run 3x. That's the thing people don't understand. In Hearthstone missing a legendary just completely trashes the deck. Shadowverse, Duelyst and other games are far more flexible in deckbuilding and subbing cards.

Hell I reached diamond in my third week of playing Duelyst having just like 20% of the core cards of the deck I was running.

>>171464252
>*fixes the brawl after 2 days*
9 days, the bug was present in China for whole week before they put it on EU/US servers and KNEW about bug when they did it

>>171464207
rogue can easily remove 2 mana cards. Also if it eats removal that isn't silence or polymorph, it'll be back and in essence your opponent wasted removal. Hell the only thing I can see in the current meta that fucks it is hex because of how few mages even run polymorph anymore (mages dropped off a cliff with the small time buccaneer nerf and rise of jade). Also if it eats a polymorph or hex, that's a polymorph/hex not going onto edwin or things like questing adventurer/red mana worm

>>171464419
They didn't intend to fix it but the huge negative backlash from the west made them change their mind.

>>171463924
I legit don't see a use for this card

>>171464252
what bug??

>>171464503
Don't you love wasting a card slot to play a terrible 4 drop which you MIGHT ressurect ONCE during your entire game if you pull off a huge turn.

Just ignoring the fact that you lost the game for literally throwing your tempo out of the goddamn window by playing it on turn 4 and having it instantly removed with 1-2 mana minions, a cheap spell or weapon charge.

>>171464629
>only rez once
M8 this is how I know you either don't play rogue or don't know how to play rogue

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>>171464210
is there something right with this game?

>>171464714
Literally no

>>171463924
>I legit think this card will be autoinclude in every rogue deck.
Why? It kinda has pseudocharge for burst revival but shaman removal fucks it hard

>>171464704
There's only one turn when you vomit your hand.
It comes back with summoning sickness, too.

>>171464704
Yeah dude you're right rogues never run out of cards ever

>>171464704
If you're drawing well you probably get away with playing 4 cards on 2 turns and then you're out of steam. You would pretty much need sprint to gain back all the cards and we all know that prep + sprint is way too slow for the meta on top of wasting your prep that allows you 4 card turns.

>>171464762
So, a draw three cards aucioneer, an 8/8 Edwin or a 6/6 questing are huge turns? Really makes you think.

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>>171464704

>>171464714
Hearthstone is a profitable business for its owners. I wish I owned it and milked casuals for dozen millions like Actiblizz does.

Reminder that Hearthstone could have been amazing

>>171464838
>dozen
It's on the hundreds, anon.

>>171464783
>>171464801
That's not the fucking point. It more than pays for itself if you get it to rez once. If you do it 2 times, its insane value for 4 mana.

>>171464762
>>171464783
>>171464801
>>171464824
LOL you fucking netdeck shitters are so stupid you don't realize headcrack returns to your hand after using it, no wonder why rogue is too complex for you

>Thijs like the new rogue legendary

You guys cannot be more wrong when you call this card shit.

>>171464907
With Thijs you lose

>>171464896
*pays 4 cards for a 5/3*
>meanwhile druid plays a 1 mana 10/10

>>171464907
I'm trying to make the retards on here see this too. These niggers need reynad to play it to believe they're too fucking stupid to see value on their own and then just netdeck some pro

>>171464629
This, I legit cannot imagine what kinda deck is going to play it. It's a value oriented card that has a trigger based on a tempo playstyle, in a class that can't afford to fall behind with weak plays due to lack of any sort of sustain or board clear.

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>>171464904
Yeah headcrack is an amazing card, please tell me more about how you're going to gimp turns 4 through 10+ by first playing a garbage 4 drop, then wasting three mana and a another combo enabler every fucking turn just to revive the same garbage minion that has 3 health.

>>171464907
Tijizz is a shitter

that rogue legendary is the kind of card that made me hold off on the pre order until the next card reveal desu

>watching Thijs stream
>warlock quest is discard 6 cards for a 3/2 engine

Jesus christ Blizzard never cease to amaze me with their inability to learn from the past.

>>171464967
This is the stupidest fucking comparison I have ever heard.

>>171464714
no

>>171464210
>blatantly powercreeps
>instead of nerfing cards they move them to wild
choose one and only one

if the game were to have a non-rotating format then powercreep will always exist no matter what. Deck A will always be improved by future sets in some way, even if the 'sidegrade' is just marginally better by 1% Or the new sets will introduce Deck B which is better than Deck A. Then you have the problem of new players needing Sets A - Z just to make the best version of Deck A because that deck needs a bit of Set B, C, E, and Q

its not even like you don't get your dust back for cards that get hall of famed. I'm in no way defending Blizzard for every other jew tactic they bring up but people who target rotating formats and retiring certain cards are clearly people who don't understand CCGs

>>171464967
1 mana for 10/10 on what turn? Like 8+?
People dont seem to grasp the simple idea that the flower repops automatically when you perform your auctioneer/adventurer miracle. You dont actually pay anything.

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>>171464904
Hmm. Well Played.

Extremely low tempo plays is what rogue is all about right?

>>171465089
>You dont actually pay anything.

You pay a card slot in your deck
You pay playing a terrible minion that destroys your tempo

In the end you pay with a loss because you have no conceal and the 3 mana garbage minion is removed by everything.

>people jizzing themselves over a 5/3 with ridiculous requirements to summon

lol?

>>171465193

I N F I N I T E

V A L U E

>>171465089
Its not free though, you had to play a crummy 5/3 card on turn 4 that got removed with a 1 Mana lightning bolt, you're rogue, and you've fallen behind on board. You aren't performing that miracle play until turn 7 most likely, and by turn 8 you're dead.

I think there are two distinct points of view
1. People seeing it as a bad build around card
2. People seeing it as an additive card to supplement miracle rogue

>>171465050
2 3/2's every turn for free

>>171465097
This should have stayed 2 mana

>>171465193
Just copy it with Barnes and Shadowcaster for corpse garden :^)

>>171465172
>card slot
>tempo
>when Pillager is cycling out and there's literally no good 4 drops
Are you actually retarded or just fishing for (You)s?

>>171465330
He is probably a case of fetal alcohol syndrome, don't bully the poor sod. Or just some netdecking scum who slurps the cum off Reynad everytime tempostorm puts out a new meta report

>>171465007
The fact that there's zero advantage in preordering now instead of the day before it goes live should be enough

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One of these cards is garbage, choose wisely.

I think for this expansion I'm going to save my gold and just use it for arena.

>>171465271

Sure. That's 20% of your deck gone just getting it online. Another 4 cards minimum going into discarding to meet the requirements, at worst 6. That's 40% of your deck going into generating 3/2s that can easily be removed or safely ignored while you get your shit pushed in.

>>171465438
one of these cards will no longer be standard. Choose wisely

Reminder that Jade Golem meta is Reddit's fault because they hate aggro, control, and combo

>>171465438
(You)

>>171465050
When you look at quests you have to ask "Do I die to pirate trying to build around this?" and "If I can build an anti-aggro quest list, how do I outpace Jade?"

These quest decks are going to get slaughtered by the upcoming pirate vs jade meta

>>171465050
>>171465271
>>171465458
Warlock's quest should be "lose 10 life to your own cards and hero power" because like Anon said losing 20% of your deck is completely dumb.

>>171465050
>>warlock quest is discard 6 cards for a 3/2 engine
That's a bit redundant with Jaraxxus in standard

>>171465684
Jaraxxus doesn't fit in Zoo though. This quest does. You can mulligan it for aggressive match ups, and use it as a trump card versus control.

>>171465836
>zoo with with 1 less card in the starting hand

>>171465912
>zoo at all

Honestly I'm excited for the new Rogue legendary.

With all of the shenanigans rogue has with card creation, pull back to hand and that kind of thing, I imagine getting the plant to come out of Dormancy would be easy.

Plus I imagine they're going to put in some replacement "From another class" cards into this new set, since Burgle and Huckster are rotating out.

https://youtu.be/a1ZO0P__wcg?t=97

Reminder that Jade has single-handedly deleted this sort of match from the game.

>>171465912
>You can mulligan your quest card if you need to.

id be legitimately excited for the new expansion if it didn't seem like everything else about hearthstone is still heading toward the shitter

how do quests work, can you complete it before playing the quest card?

>>171465957
>remove one the one of a kind amazing tomb pillager which made miracle worthwhile in the first place.

>Replace it with a bad singlet that requires the stuff tomb pillager properly enabled again.

>>171466000
Then you need 100% of the time
The quest is never good in zoo

>>171466019
No you need to play it. Its always in your opening hand and takes up a mulligan slot, and you can mulligan it away

>>171465996
Remember when there was a deck that beat out aggro, had a 'fair' match-up against midrange and control, was cheap to build, required thought to play, didn't go off until at least turn 7 or 8, and didn't require you to stall a game until near deck out? And then reddit complained enough about it to nerf it?

The problem with the Hearthstone community is that its not a TCG community. It's a video game community. That means diversity is much much more preferred than mechanical play. People resonate more with the character or hero they chose rather than the decks they like. There was a time when Magic the Gathering had a standard that was dominated by a deck (UW Delver); and when I say dominated I mean like 80% of a tournament would be UW Delver. No one complained and in fact the pros actually loved that environment. It was many people's favorite standard because of the skill required to pilot it. You could never have such an environment in Hearthstone because people would complain that their pet deck or pet hero wasn't viable enough, even if the best decks actually are interesting to play. No one ever goes "why doesn't wizards make green good again? I bought all these green cards last set!

>>171465996
>control vs control
>literally the first thing he does is play loot hoarder and pw;shield
WHat a joke

>>171465957
I am too. I am crafting it day 1.

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What do you guys think of the new Paladin deck that everyone is talking about?

Apparently Furgle hit rank 1 legend with it.

It's looking very promising.

>>171466380
lol no he didn't

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which one do I reroll?

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>>171458739

>>171466380
Looks bad. What the point of Dragon Consorts? Just dumping more stats quick on the board?

>>171466432
None, quit shitposting and do your quests faggot.

>>171466169
I don't miss angry trees, that's for sure

>>171466380
What'd be a decent replacement for Sally?

>>171466626
I think he's talking about patron

>>171466673
I agree that patron didn't deserve such a hard nerf. Devs should've nerfed frothing instead.

>>171466432
>Make a druid deck with almost all spells, draw, and auctioneers.
>Finish quest in 2 games, each 15 turns long.

Wow that was easy.

>>171466432
card game

>>171465271
>>171465623
>>171465661
>>171465684
>>171465836
The problem here isn't discarding the cards, it's that the pay-off is too little for it. Discardlock will easily discard 6 cards over the course of the game, but why would you fuck yourself on the first turn by playing a mana-sink instead of a Flame Imp just to get two Flame Imps ten turns later while Priest gets a fucking genderswapped Reno for simply playing a N'Zoth deck.

Also like the other anon said, why play this shit when Jaraxxus exists?

>>171466027
>Miracle didnt exist before Pillager was introduced

>>171466643
unironically consecration

>>171466848
I do the same thing with Priest when I have the quest, it's incredibly funny.

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>>171466887
>>171466848
>>171466572
I rerolled the warrior quest

you always save 3 quests and reroll the lowest, even when they are all 60 gold

it increases your chances of getting one of the 5 better quests 100, 80 gold or the card pack

>>171466910
It pretty much died out until tomb pillager was released yes.

>>171467087
>what is counterfeit coin

Apply yourself you fucking retard. Rogue is in a very good spot especially with this leggo.

>remove Tomb Pillager
>remove Conceal
>remove Azure Drake
>Introduce a miracle benefactor

>Gadgetzan comes out
>unpack Beardo and Wrathion
I predict that for Un'Goro I'll get the new Mage legendary or Warlock quest.

>>171466903
It is more impactful than Amara, earlier--and, most of all, warlock can play with one less card with less problems than priest. Also, you're supposed to turn one imp; you can drop that right before you discard something.

But yeah, I'm not sold on the viability of quests, them taking a space in your mulligan.

>>171467015
Personally I settle for any that aren't 40

personally i reroll until i get the easiest quest possible, hopefully finish it in brawl and then quit the game for another week

>>171467313
Warlock quest is the only decent one so far.

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When will get the new Daily Login Rewards and will it be enough?

Day 1: 50 Gold
Day 2: 1 Mean Streets of Gadgetzan Pack
Day 3: 100 Arcane Dust
Day 4: 1 Old Gods Pack
Day 5: 1 Journey to Un'Goro Pack
Day 6: 50 Gold
Day 7: 1 Journey to Un'Goro Pack
Day 8 - Day 14: 50 Gold

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WHY DO PEOPLE RANDOMLY GET AN EXTRA 3/5 TAUNT IN BRAWL

WHAT CAUSES IT TO HAPPEN?

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>>171467205
>6 slots worth of core miracle enablers removed
>Introduce 1 slot that doesn't enable miracle
>Rogue is in a very good spot especially with this leggo

>>171467338
>>171467418
The only way this'll be more than just an idea is if they add more discard support and I don't mean cards that discard, but cards that benefit from being discarded like Malchezaar's Imp and Silverware Golem or Tiny Knight of Evil and Fist of Jaraxxus for that matter which just happen to be rotating out now.

Not impressed by the new Felhound either, but we'll see if it does more to stop aggro than Felguard which actually didn't do all that good of a job to be honest.

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Why the fuck does my enemy keep spawning more and more Party Crashers when I can't get more than one at a time?

Is this possibly THE WORST brawl they ever made? Name ONE worse than this shit.

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>>171467795

Its so that EVERYBODY (even people with an IQ of the average /hsg/ player) eventually WINS a BRAWL and gets the PACK.

You literally CAN NOT LOSE, if you are going SECOND!

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>>171467507
Are those confirmed rewards?

Because they sound more than a little optimistic. I wouldn't expect them to be throwing you 4 packs a fortnight plus 450 gold and some dust just for remembering to log in every day.

Then again, I guess being a little over-optimistic is better than the alternative you see on Blizzards forums. Those morons seem to be pretty overjoyed to be receiving literal scraps as their daily log-in rewards.

What kind of pathetic piece of shit would be okay with getting literally 5 dust a day? At that point you might as well not even have daily login rewards!

Either way, I would say that the daily rewards will probably hit at the same time as the expansion. So mid-April.

>>171467795
Most were shit anyway

Where are you guys getting info about new cards?
>>171466432
None of them you fool.

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>>171467878
yes but THIS is the WORST one

>>171467865
Day 8 - Day 14: 50 Gold is reserved only in case the expansion is delayed by a week.

>>171467507
>Those actually generous daily login rewards
Please anon, this is Blizzard we're talking about here.

It will be more like this.

Day 1: 10 Gold
Day 2: 1 RANDOM Common Standard Card (Set chosen RANDOMLY)
Day 3: 20 Gold
Day 4: 50 Dust
Day 5: 1 RANDOM Rare Standard Card (Set chosen RANDOMLY)
Day 6: 50 Gold
Day 7: 1 Standard Pack (Set Chosen RANDOMLY)

Then reset for the next week.

This is Blizzard anon, you'll get jack shit for your trouble and you'll fucking like it.

>>171464028
Yes, headcrack and other card generators should help a great deal. That would be in the wild format if I'm not mistaken

>>171468124
that's still around 2 free packs a week, I call that non-negligible

>>171468223
Its one time only

>>171467795
Heroic tavern brawl is the single worst hearthstone brawl. Pay2ladder. At least we got a pack this week.

>>171467865
>a daily login of 5 dust sounds ok
Dude what the fuck?

>>171466496
I think you use them to discover a dragon then make the dragons cheaper.

>>171468293
then it's fucking shit

>>171468308
You have no idea how little some people are content with getting. Especially blind fanboys and people who have been indoctrinated into liking the gouging methods of freemium mobile gaming.

Seriously, these people are addicts, literally.

is it even possible to do a shittier brawl?

>>171468424
webspinners comes close

>>171461519
>>171461364
people also forget it's 5 cards

it's better to have 9 cards than 4 on hand, even if those 5 are just average
she's an extreme hand refill that you can play for 2 mana after developing a fair statted body

she's going to be amazing in any slow deck

When Shadowbabs shitters come to promote their pedophile game

Remind them

Hearthstone has no cancerous shit like:
-Haven
-Daria
-DShift
-Rune in general
-Rhinoroaches
-Salty cucks disconnecting after the loss
-Turn 6 lethals (fuck you Aggro Shadow)
-Half-naked cartoon children in card art
-3 copies of one legendary in a deck, i mean, what the fuck?

Hearthstone has:
-Less aggro
-More deck diversity
-More class diversity
-More (and better) singleplayer content
-Better waifus (pandas anyone?)
-Stories to tell your friends
-More epic memes!
-An actual future ahead of it instead of being a quick mobage cashgrab which is going to die in a few months like Shadowverse

Also Hearthstone's original dub voice is in English so weaboos can fuck off and kill themselves

>>171468424
nope this is laughably bad

>>171468527
>no turn 6 lethals
Mate...

Also what does disconnecting do? Does it prevent you getting points or something?

Oh man, it's turn 2 and I have to deal with a 3/6 taunt + a 1/1 because Druid went first and had wild growth and innervate in hand. That's so much fun! And I'll always have to deal with this since the cards that allow Druid to do this are FOREVER EVERGREEN, yay!

Druid is the most fucking unfun class in the entire game. At least other decks I know they're going to disappear, Druid's mana manipulation cancer is there forever and ever.

NEW CARDS HERE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fphtNeHKwGo&t=741s

>>171463924
It's trash, it's like Anub'arak. Pure value card that's slow as fuck which isn't how Rogue plays at all.
4 cards played is hard even for Rogue because you generally keep your cards for Auctionneer/Van Cleef turns, so at best you have 3/4 opportunities per match to trigger it.
Even if you revive it once it's not enough because with 3 health it's easily killed by 2 mana spells and 2 drops. To make decent value you need to revive it 3/4 times at least.
The more I think about it, the more I find this card to be horrible, truly a shit lego.

>>171468580
Makes you wait in limbo for around 30 seconds for match results to go through.

>>171468456
>>171468424

Webspinners was definitely worse. This brawl is just a coin flip, you know immediately who will win. Webspinners was a full on facefucking from the Brodemeister himself.

>>171468603
Nope. Anub'arak is bad because you use your entire turn to play it. And every time you play it uses your entire turn basically. This card is leagues better because you pay only once for it, and just by rezzing it once, you get the cost repayed. Everything after that is just insane value.

I literally have an 85% winrate when I space 10minutes between each game, is this how to beat rigged matchmaking?

>>171468748
I say it's like Anub'arak in the sense that it's a pure value card that's slow as fuck because it needs to be triggered several times to be worth it.
Rezzing it once is absolutely not enough to justify playing a 4 mana 5/3 because of the 3 health.

>>171468897
Is this for casual or ranked? Because when I'm farming gold in casual I just concede when it looks like I'm about to lose and get on with the next match since most of my games are pretty damn quick.

>>171468904
Whatever I bet you're another shitter who thought shaku is bad too. If I can't make you see value then maybe when kolento or thjis plays it you will finally see how good it is.

>>171468986
I don't care what anyone says. Shaku is still a shit card.

>>171468986
Holy shit are you serious you literal shieldbearer ? Shaku is a bad card.

>>171469020
Also,
>waiting for streamers to tell you what cards are good
You may as well not play the game.

>>171469080
That's 90% of hsg and all of reddit. Cucks who need tempostorm to tell them what to run

>>171468985
climbing ranked ladder have maintained my winstreak since 11 now on 7

3...
2...
1...
pre-order time
*clicks the button*
FeelsmonkaSMan

>>171469020
>>171468986
How is shaku bad? And if it's bad, why is it a staple in top tier deck?

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>>171469114
>Cucks who need tempostorm to tell them what to run
Tried builying my own decks, but they all suck. Whenever I have an idea, I just google it to see if someone did it before which they usually have and it's always a better version of what I had in mind.

Sucks being a shitter.

>>171469253
This looks like free to play deck

>>171467507
I hope they keep the Daily Login Rewards after the initial run. It would be good for stopping their own game from continuing it's decline for one thing.

Something like this would be great for a recurring weekly thing.

Day 1: 10 Gold
Day 2: 20 Gold
Day 3: 30 Gold
Day 4: 40 Gold
Day 5: 50 Gold
Day 6: 60 Gold
Day 7: WEEKLY LOYALTY BONUS! - 1 Free Pack (Random Set, chosen from current Standard Rotation Sets).
Day 30: MONTHLY LOYALTY BONUS! - 1 Free Arena Ticket

Basically like that, every week, forever after the concept is debuted for this expansion.

I bet more people would feel like playing the game if they could more easily build a collection without buying a huge amount of packs.

Man this brawl is fucking trash.

Reno priest is really fun to play but it honestly feels so wildly inconsistent it's depressing.

You need to draw the PERFECT only copy of your card everytime you need it or you're entirely fucked.

I just played against a shamn that just did T3 Brann and since my SWP was like my last card and he could follow with a jade generator the game was lost in the spot

Has the gap between T2-T3 decks and the rest ever been this massive? I've always played not-top tier decks but playing anything that isn't Jadecancer Pirate Warrior or Renolock feels like just admitting you will maybe win 3 out of every 10 games.

>>171469407
more people would not spend money, too
will never happen. Friendly reminder that World of Warcraft is still not free to play.

where did this shaku rogue shit come from?

>>171469353
I've got a decent sized collection, just no idea what to do with it besides netdeck. Wanted to try something similar to Egg Druid with a low curve of sticky minions, but ended up not including any buffs etc.

Really I've no fucking idea what I'm doing.

>>171469503
Then Hearthstone will continue losing players to it's competitors and will be a truly dead game in less than 5 years.

HS is already bleeding players and has been for a while now. If they can't do something to stem this bleed their game will die.

>>171469407
Actually it's weird they didn't implement daily login rewards since it's basically what every mobile game does.
Oh wait they only consider Hearthstone as a mobile game when it suits them.

>>171469641
Hearthstone has no competitors
>inb4 cunnyverse
Will never overtake it because its for weebs

>>171469641
Bleeding means nothing when it's people who leave that aren't spending dosh.

You have people like >>171469198 who purchase regardless of the state of the game, so it doesn't matter in the end.

>>171469518
It's the new aggro / water rogue deck alternative to Miracle Rogue. Shaku is like a better Mana Tide Totem sometimes, and you use Finja and some stealth synergy cards too. It's pretty decent.

Holy shit, I'm playing against jades in literally every game. First pirates, now this. How can you fuck up a video game this bad?

>>171469856
Could be worse. You could be deluding yourself to be playing pedoverse because "its the better game".

>>171469641
>will be a truly dead game in less than 5 years
What game has ever been good after 8 years?

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Is it worth crafting anything at this point? It's probably better to wait until the new expansion comes out right?
I haven't played in a while and my decks are old as fuck.

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>>171469690
i didn't pre order tho it was just a meme ;^)
feels gachigasm man

>>171469904
Never played it, but it probably is. It's really not hard to better than HS right now.

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https://www.twitch
.tv/blizzheroes

>>171470032
>what happen to you?
why are you talking like that?

>>171470032
shes cute with pigtails

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>>171470163
channeling eloise's spirit

>>171468527
> More deck diversity
Funny joke.

>>171469856
There isn't any fun whatsoever to be had in this game. The only way Blizzard could fix it is entirely removing Gadgetzan, offering a public apology and giving everyone their dust back, then design the next expansion as if Gadgetzan never happened.

>>171469503
>Not spend money

Right, when 150 bucks gives you this >>171463452

>>171470097
NA or EU?

>>171470029
if you don't have syl/rag, get those because they're free

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This is what came to mind when I thought of jade balancing. I personally think resetting jade isn't realistic.

Stats don't really matter, just a bit of a tech varying healbot/crab.

>>171470638
Too specific, not good enough.

>>171470638
These kind of super situational cards are fucking stupid.

>>171463924
I don't think it will, mostly for the fact that it has 3 health and by the time you revive it it'll be late enough in the game that your opponent could probably easily deal with it

I mean yeah it is "free" but the intial tempo loss playing a 3 health minion turn 4 is pretty bad, plus then you make future turns potentially awkward trying to squeeze it in

>>171469669
>call it children's card game
>you have to have full time job to afford it
classic blizzard

>>171470713
But so is jade