/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

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This thread is now blessed by Gravelord Nito and the Pardoners of Velka.

>>171114951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ogfoPhz64

This will be in the next OP as well.

are you stupid?

champions gravetender uses a shield and sword, artorias does as well. He has a wolf, artorias also does. Gravetender wears a dark mask, a mask from a darkwraith, darkwraiths are affliated with kathee, an abysscockmongler.

Yeah

I'm the best at dark souls lore you fucking virgin losers

>>171112589
but seriously, is this game good on keyboard or should i prepare myself a gamepad ? (ds1)

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>>171115212
Anon you are SO COOL

>>171114951
Reposting from previous thread

>>171115247
>>>171114761
>To be fair, there was more than just the one guy fighting in that arena. We haven't gotten any ashes from the others yet, so who's to say they wouldn't give access to the same arena?
>>>171114864
>Forgive me, I started mixing up words about halfway through that post.
>Either spin the DaS3 map until catacombs are to the left of anor londo, or spin the DaS1 map until catacombs are above anor londo. You need two anchor points to orient a map, not just one, that's something you learn in basic military training. Use catacombs and anor londo as your two anchor points, and everything else lines up in very sensible ways.

>>171115256
>ds1
Do not, under any circumstances, try playing DS1 with KB+M.

>Thought you could outwit an onion?
>Wait, where's the damn giant?
Fucking hell, patches. Getting dumber each game.

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New spells going to be pure shit like always.

>>171115503
Floating Chaos was actually kind of okay, and the new catalyst is borderline broken when used with Black Flame.

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mmm...be very....very careful now...hmmm...pickle...mmm

>>171115628
>the new catalyst is borderline broken when used with Black Flame
Whoa, really? How?

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>>171115503
Everything sucks.

>>171115628
>borderline broken when used with Black Flame.
No. BF always was like this. Fags just never use pyro before. Poise change buffed pyroglove

>>171115503
this new dreg seems pretty cool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpZD7l_LPmU&t=329s
but it'll probably suck damage wise

>>171115735
Parting Pyromancy Flame spits little spurts of fire during casting animations for offensive spells. They do about 30% of the damage the spell itself does. Normally this isn't a big deal since most other spells go a whole lot further than the fire spurts do, but BF's already high damage has about the same range as them and they come out slightly before it does but not so early that they can't both hit at the same time.

>>171115845
Senpai, I know what I'm talking about here.

>>171115953
The new dreg doesn't have that animation. It is just slightly bigger Great Deep Soul.
Source: Vaati's notes

>>171115484
Ok, so how exactly did patches make the bridge go down? There's no lever here or anything like that. And now he's all the way on the other side.

>>171115367
even if its that bad, i dont know if playing with my esperanza pad for 4$ will be any better

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>invade someone
>he beats me
>invade the same guy again later
>lose again
I hate this.

Unkindled Gwyn is going to be an npc in the ringed city.

He's very distant about who he is but gives you plenty of existential lore dumps when you find him.

If you find him at both locations you get the option to fight filianore alongside him, after which point you can return to the ringed city barracks to collect the lord's ashes. Lord's ashes allow you to lurchase the gwyn and gwyndolin armor sets, and slabs for 225,000 each

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>>171116089
Vaati's notes actually don't talk about what the new Dreg looks like, it just has the item description. It being a bigger Deep Soul comes from this guy.

>>171115987
>I know what I'm talking about here.
Really?
Normal pyro glove hase L2 L1 combo.

>>171116204
>experience the same thing
>fight him again
>I win

>Move to another area so he can never fight me again

;^)

>>171116187
As long as it has two sticks, an L1/L2 and R1/R2, it will be much better.

If you really must use KB+M, download the community fix for it. It's not as good as a controller, but it's better than what the game itself does.

>>171116364
Normal pyro glove has L1 (spell) L2 (weapon art) combo, not L2 L1. Yes, it does more damage. No, it doesn't make it better, since the fire spurts come out sooner and interrupt attacks even through lag, which is far more useful in PvP.

Spoilers when?

>>171116586

Now

>>171116586
Today at 6pm.

>>171116234

Can't wait for this meme to die. Fortunately it will be a swift death.

>>171116586
they'll reveal 2 new weapons and that's it

>>171116756

Whatll your face be when you realize its not a meme?

I wish there was a more interesting infusion for characters that make use of weapon-buffing miracles or spells than just Raw.

Some sort of amplifier infusion that made that weapon more powerful when buffed but weaker in its base state.

>>171116756
Gael is actually Gwyn no shit here anon

Is there any reason to ever use the jumping weapon art on the 2kat? It puts you into instability, takes like 2 seconds, and doesnt even do a lot of damage. Does it at least have some special effect like extra bleed or headshot damage?

>>171116292
>everything leek anon said has been right so far
Well what do you know, he really was legit.

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>>171115247
>>171116063

I did it. But it still doesn't look much like you described your guess.

What do you think the likelihood of the last DLC introducing useful and good new spells? How about the likelihood of those spells getting nerfed to the fucking ground shortly afterwards if they are good?

>>171116984
Getting hit by the edge jump when it's buffed with carthus rouge is pretty much a death sentence in Arena

>>171116482
>No, it doesn't make it better
Yes, but new pyro is not borderline broken. Even without this glove you can spam R1 L1 like a god. The poise patch change everything. The way how BF breaking poise. Breaking everything no matter how much you have.

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>>171116482
well, it does but its one stick is in a diffrent place than in xbox pad so i dont know if it wouldnt make it worse ? (pic related is exactly the one that i have)

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>>171116984

>this post

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Looking for a strong PC BF who's willing to spare 5 or so minutes duping some stuff. If you act now, I'll throw in a free Havel's +2 and FaP +2!

>>171116968
Dark Souls 2 sort of did this. Even elemental infusions could be buffed by spells of the same element. It's a nice balance because split AR all the time is slightly worse but if you buff with the same element it becomes seriously powerful.

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>>171116984
>

>>171116984
It headshots, meaning you out-trade anything but stomp. Stomp, however, is only immune to headshots on the first part, not the second, and you have enough time to escape the second hit if you don't follow up with an l1. Headshots even break unfaltering prayer, even with the Sunlight Talisman.

CCS and Sabre still kings after all those patches? What about Dark CCS meta? Happened or not?

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>>171117056
Ack, no don't literally overlap them. DaS3's map is going to be larger, being released on a next-gen console five years later does that. It's better to keep them side by side.

Here, look at it like this. Purple is anor londo, blue is catacombs, red is izalith/demon ruins, grey is blighttown/farron, brown is burg-sens/settlement-irithyll, green is darkroot/cathedral.

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>invaded near the Watchdoggos bonfire
>take the elevator up
>invader is waiting for me at the top of the stairs
>use Beckon to tell him to fight me in the space at the bottom of the stairs
>he runs out of my range
>pop seed
>run towards him and slap him with a running r1
>guy starts running directly towards the giant demon
>doesn't notice the demon turning around towards him
>demon kills him in one swipe

>>171117962

CCS and Sabre got hit hard by the nerf but are still terrific weapons. 2H CCS loses in R1 trades to a Longsword at 40/40 Refined now each while Sabre has an AR edge on CCS it lacks bleed but makes up for it in the terrific. The gap between them and the Pontiff Knight Curved Sword is marginal at best now however. The real kings are the Washing Pole/Gargoyle Flame Spear for 2H weapons and arguably Longsword/Lothric Knight Sword 1H with a Black Knight Shield.

>>171117063
First known spell is literally just a bigger great deep soul, second known spell is a fireball that explodes a second or so after you throw it instead of as soon as you do. So, I'm gonna go with no, not really a good chance of useful and new good spells.

>>171117281
Parting flame literally makes BF by itself better.

>>171118195
Oh, this is neat.

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What is your opinion of the Greatsword of Judgement?

>>171118265
>GFS still immortal
Jesus

>>171118603
Very good weapon, but also very stat hungry because quality/int. If you're going to use it, it's the only thing you'll be using. Fortunately, it's worth it.

>>171118603
I like everything about it except for the enormous sheath that looks terrible with everything and ruins the entire weapon for me.

>>171117056

everything being on the other side of anor londo actually makes more sense, it would allow them to do whatever they wanted geographically without having to worry about continuity outside of irithyll, which would obviously be built on top of the anor londo ruins.

>>171118772
Actually it's a dex/int weapon. It scales really badly with str

>>171118603
Great lore, great appearance, decent weapon art, would've been infinitely cooler as a dual GS weapon with PGS and not as MLGS lite.

>>171118803
I for one love the sheath, it goes well with my Faraam armor. Why is it the only boss weapon with a sheath, though?

>>171118603
Better than MLGS if you want beams.
+Aesthetics

>>171118603
>thrusting with the WA doesn't fire a magic blast like pontiff does
it's SHIT

>>171118803
>looks terrible with everything
Wolf Knight Chest. Offhand a Pontiff Knight Curved while you're at it.
You're welcome.

>>171118886
2-3 AR per level up to 40 is not "scales poorly", anon. That's exactly as much as it gets from Dex scaling, and is a textbook example of quality scaling.

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I'm going to use the white hair talisman and you can't stop me.

>>171119156
>free frag with shit build
eeeeeh?

>>171119156
Those lava pools make me mad. What the fuck were they thinking? It's not like Demon Ruins where you can just come back with the ring, no, you just have to stack fire resist and chug like hell.

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>there are people who cheese ancient wyvern
baka

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>>171118195
The two Anor Londos have to be the same size though surely, because its the same map?

But anyway. The Dark souls 1 map is more like this in box form from above.

>>171119156
30%-50% less damage, depending on which spell.

>>171119276
did you kill it by only hitting the legs?

guys that fucking coccoon nigger from the collapsed bridge tricked me.
now i'm hollowing.

>>171119239
My build uses the power of love or something, you can't win.

>>171119263
Yep it's pretty stupid. Have to dress up like a moron, chug in the lava and hope some slime doesn't cancel your estus at a shitty time.

>>171119434
Doesn't even matter.

>>171119156
my fair lady

>>171119597
hitting the tail and head does alright damage, still took 20 minutes though

>>171119321
DaS1 demon ruins begins at the south end of blighttown, then runs under and between catacombs and anor londo, and DaS3 demon ruins is in the same area. It's DaS1 lost izalith that sticks out past anor londo. In which case, I probably shouldn't have typed "lost izalith" and should've stuck with "demon ruins" instead. For the brown burg box, I was also including Sen's there.

But yeah, you can see how the areas correlate. The specifics of the geography are different, but the zones themselves are in the right places.

>>171118603

Amazing damage when specced properly but is demanding on a 120 build. Lacks anything distinguishable otherwise since it still has bastard R2s and average GS range save the the WA beam which is only slightly better than that of the MLGS.

>>171119276
Would only be worth it if it actually dropped something additional.

>>171119672
Congratulations, you have zombie aids. Either keep it and drink the kool-aid, or talk to the shrine merchant and buy the 20,000 souls key.

>>171119703
It's actually just fine if you're only using it for buff or support spells like tears of denial, warmth, and blessed weapon. Just don't expect to kill anything with it is all, and prepare to get really annoyed by the Int requirement being 16 instead of 15 if you have any amount of autism at all.

The second new arena, Grand Roof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVM4AsXX4yk

Playing through DaS2 and I have a question to Das3 players, how the fuck do you even play the game without poise? Wait hours rolling and circling around like a moron to hit enemies only in-between their attacks? I just can't fucking imagine, I get annoyed when anything staggers me and go stack more poise/put ring before fighting the same shit.

>>171119276

everything about this boss pisses me off

>massive explorable area full of items and secondary paths
>AUTOMATICALLY TELEPORTS YOU OUT WHEN YOU KILL THE BOSS

WHY
>

Some feg invaded me in the burg and hit me once to a full curse status, haxx0r or legit?

>>171120272
You can go back you know.

>>171119263
It's actually really not that bad if you've been upgrading your estus flask. You can straight up just run across the fire and carefully chug when you need to. Spamming roll thinking it'll reduce damage is what gets people.

Also for some reason, if you enter the lava while blocking, the fire resistance of your shield applies until you let it down.

>>171120220
It's more about initiative than anything else. Enemies are also easy to stagger, so if you can keep the aggression and pressure you'll kill the more troublesome enemies without giving them much time to put any pressure on you. Lothric Knights and Pontiff Knights are prime examples of this.

How many bosses in the new DLC?

>>171120354

inexcusable

>>171120220
DaS3 poise is complicated. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It actually has a lot in common with DaS2 poise.

https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/58ru20/how_poise_works_in_108/

>>171120220
You get used to it. It helps if you played Bloodborne, because then you get the reflex down to always roll out of taking any damage, and not try to press your own openings unless you're using a big weapon.

That, or you just switch poise on with the Collector's Edition.

>>171119995
>20,000 souls
is it the only way to open that door?

>>171120398
>>171120398
Absolutely sure at least 3, probably 4, unlikely 5 and impossible 6 or more.

>>171120171
>>171120171
>all Re-used assets
>can only do 2 new arenas

>>171120398

4

-demon prince
-abyss dragon
-angel boss
-filianore boss

>>171120576
You can kill the nun. If you don't care about miracles.

>>171120398
Official number not given. Unofficial number derived from hacking unused files in the base game suggests four.

>>171120586
>all Re-used assets
>can only do 2 new arenas
Keep in mind that spreading the queued players out over more maps reduces the number of players in the pool for each separate map.

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>switch from PS4 to PC
>be greedy kike
>48 bucks for GOTY edition
>releases end of April

>>171120659
nooo. she's muh waifu.

>>171120396
>>171120552
I did play BB, before DaS and DaS2. I guess I'll get used to somehow. Probably just got used to poise because I was going big weapons in DaS, now going quality in DaS2. I guess big weapons aren't really viable much in DaS3?
>>171120552
>That, or you just switch poise on with the Collector's Edition.
What do you mean?

>>171120842
Licia will literally try to murder you.

>>171120723

nobody even plays dark souls arena even going back to DaS1, so desu i dont care.

a much better system would have been to allow summoning/invading inside of boss rooms after you've killed the boss, turning the PvE arenas into PvP arenas

>>171120842
She's used goods, anon.

>>171120895
He's talking about DaS3 and Irina, obviously.

>>171120895
Different game, the miracle vendor in DS3 drops a key that usually costs 20k
DS2's is just a greedy whore

>>171120915
>nobody even plays dark souls arena even going back to DaS1
I partially disagree with this statement. Arena in DaS3 is active, even if all that activity is scrub shit.

>a much better system would have been to allow summoning/invading inside of boss rooms after you've killed the boss, turning the PvE arenas into PvP arenas
I 100% agree with this statement, and wish this is how DaS1 gravelords worked.

>>171120876
They are viable, but whereas in DS1 you could more or less just walk up to whatever it is you're trying to kill and press R2 on its face without any other care in the world, using Ultra weapons in 3 are a bit more trickly than that. Close to the release of the game I did a whole playthrough wearing the heaviest arms, armor and greatshield I could to see how it would go, and it was perfectly doable.

>>171119995
Sure I'm mostly going to use non-offensive pyros/miracles. But a firestorm or two can't be wrong.

>>171119818
Both Dark Souls 1 catacombs and demon ruins are under Sen's fortress.

But anyway. Do you not find the Orientation of Anor Londo in 3 strange? >>171117056
With Anor Londo in the correct scale and orientation, you can see that both maps have been designed so that there are very little overlap, with most of the other games' areas fitting into previously inaccessible skyboxes.

It would likely be possible to compromise on the two Anor Londos (replacing the city skybox in 1 with Irithyll, adding a door in Sen's fortress leading to Irythyll dungeon, ect) to create a single map.

The main problem would be the Wall of Anor Londo connecting to the Duke's archives, which is not in the Dark Souls 3 version.

I'm curious if there are any areas in 2 that are identical to an area in the other games, and what their overlap would be like. I can't think of any obvious ones though.

>>171120576
Irina if memory doesn't fail me

>>171121238
It can be when you spend a whole six seconds to do 200 damage.

>>171120643
>-filianore boss
if anything related to her is going to be the boss, it's in the egg

>>171121616
>mather dragon
>mater dragon

>>171121294
>Do you not find the Orientation of Anor Londo in 3 strange?

>>171114435
>The logical conclusion is that Anor Londo facing the wrong way in 3 is most likely an oversight.

Yes, I find it strange. But it's one point against over several points in favor, unfortunately.

>>171121669
Assuming "mater" doesn't mean dark in one of the dozens of foreign languages fromsoft loves to quote for no apparent reason.

>>171121158
Okay, that doesn't sound so bad after all. Looking forward to The Fire Fades edition.

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>>171120220
>circling around like a moron to hit enemies only in-between their attacks?
It's almost as if you're not supposed to let things hit you in the face anon.

replaying DS1

I aggroed Rhea and her two bodyguards by killing Petrus earlier on. I'd like to use Rhea as a miracle merchant later on, will they de-aggro if I get my sin forgiven?

>>171121294
>I'm curious if there are any areas in 2 that are identical to an area in the other games, and what their overlap would be like. I can't think of any obvious ones though.
I distinctly recall Majula's cliff line bearing a very, very strong resemblance to the cliff line in DaS1's Firelink+catacombs, with the little hills and valleys suggesting the hills and valleys of DaS1's Firelink except eroded over time. Gutter and Black Gulch were also below Majula like Blighttown was under Firelink. I really wouldn't be surprised if there were a few things in common.

>>171122052

yes

>>171121898
Seriously though what was the intended strategy for fighting these assholes?

>>171121323
but i wanna keep her for cuddling.

>>171122190
Stand back and cast hexes.

>>171122192
Then go farm 20,000 souls, you dorkus.

>>171121378
Dark Souls is about looking cool, not being efficient.

>>171121828
i mean mather is mother, but that's about it. Matadore dragon?

>>171122261
The filename doesn't actually have an h in it. It just says "materdragon". Mater could be a word in some other language, or just phonetic nipponese.

>Irina is blind
>she can become a firekeeper
>you can give the OG firekeeper the eyes of a firekeeper
>but you can't give them to Irina even though that would make a hell of a lot more sense
They could have made Irina being blind and becoming a firekeeper significant, but no, they're completely meaningless.

Was there ever any proof of Vaati plagiarising from here and Reddit? I'm not trying to defend him, I genuinely dislike him, I just want some evidence.

>>171122261
Considering that they're fully capable of spelling things out in english, I highly doubt that "mater" is supposed to be "mother" when why went and did "ruin_capital_king" right before it.

>>171122389
You find the firekeeper eyes in the same place Irina hangs out, though. I can't imagine they'd have a good effect on her though, since dark miracles already fuck her up.

>>171122190
Surprisingly similar to the webm - They have fixed followups and can't track perfectly through the combo, so you're supposed to manoeuvre around the combo until you're in a position where they'll miss without you rolling. Then you can just hit them while they're swinging at air.

>>171122389

irina isn't supposed to have a happy ending anon, fur fuck's sake her story ends with her sitting in a room with like 40 firekeeper corpses

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>>171122386
or it could be mater dragon

think of the implications!

>>171122539

from uses engrish phonetic shit with some of the characters, either to hide it or as some sort of joke.

>>171117443
So did anyone play with a pad like this ? Was it bad ?

>>171122536
Vaatividya originated in 4chan's /v/ board (the board is called /v/idya by its users). When he started out, his channel's stated purpose was to collect the community's interpretations of the lore.

Now he claims credit for everything himself, or simply doesn't give credit which leads to people assuming it's his. He's also been increasingly adding his own theories and bias to other people's ideas when he does bother to credit them.

He might've started out wanting to help the community, but he's become a stain on it that colors everything a gross, uniform brown.

>>171122620
Most of the other major NPCs have good endings though.
>Siegmeyer fulfills his promise to Yhorm
>Hawkwood dies in glorious combat to someone he considers a "superior dragon"
>Sirris puts her grandfather to rest
>Anri defeats Aldritch
>Orbeck becomes a sorcerer again and moves past his history as an assassin
Irina just becomes a redundant firekeeper.

>>171123013
Also his voice is unfuckingbearable and I've never successfully watched any of his videos to the end as a result.

>>171118818
You can actually look down into the Valley where the rest of Lordran is in the first game when you go to the Dungeon.

Its just a sky-box though.

>>171121694
I don't know. A lot of your points are based on vague lore similarities and themes with a lot of room for error, rather than the maps themselves. But there's nothing really unreasonable about making them connections.

I just wanted to point out that the way the two game maps that are the same orientate with little overlap. And the other similar area, Izalith demon ruins are parallel with that orientation.

Since noticing this I'd like to see what the two game maps would look like fused into one. Maybe with a few extra doors between the two.

>>171123551
That would be interesting. Maybe after fromsoft drops the series, the fans can bug them into releasing a public level editor to keep the fun going.

>>171114951
Can someone post the latest weapon tier list? Where are they archived anyway?

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>host is cosplaying
>fights in character with his cosplay

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>>171123783
I'm still waiting for the proper map viewer for 3 to see what the height differences between the two are like, especially how far down places like Smouldering Lake and the Profaned Capital are.

Vaati post anything today? Didn't someone say he was getting the DLC today?

>>171123783
>a public level editor
We Super Souls Maker now.

Though seriously, that would be fun as all hell, besides making meme levels, people could do shit like create an entire proper Drangleic campaign, make challenge levels to see how much worse they can get than Cathedral rafters or Irithyll Dungeon, and so on.

>>171124556
Is anybody even working on a DaS3 map viewer ?

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Well I'll be damned, fighting Nameless King with miracles is fun as hell.
I only wish Gnawing melted him faster to keep up with the 1500 damage a pop you get from a well placed Lightning Stake on the drake.

>>171122261

Matter Dragon

Like Dark Matter

The Dark provides the foundation of the world, gives it substance.

>>171125304
No I don't think so, they are too busy making stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a90MEIBI2iA

>>171125429
>Dark Matter
It always pisses me off that people keep using that phrase and don't understand its original use in astronomy.

>>171119672
Wtf just jump off, theres a ledge

Its dark souls 3 right?

>>171125708

Well, feel free to enlighten this board.

>>171125960
He's not trying to hollow, the problem was that he's hollowing in the first place.

>>171126078
I dont fucking get it

Hes in the towere where Patches tricks you right?

He just homeward bone out, or land on the edges till hes on the floor

>>171126196
What are you on about?

>>171125960
He's talking about Yoel, not Patches.

>>171123152
they all fucking die anon, how is that good?

>>171119672
>>171126349
oh wait I im retarded, I get it now

I thought the "Cocoon guy" was Patches in Siegwards armor, and the bridge was the one in the cathedral

I dont know hos i misunderstood that

>>171126591
All things considered in the context of dark souls universe, fulfilling their duty and dying is a pretty fucking happy ending for most characters.

>>171126591

They finally die because their purposes are fulfilled. That's what happens to Undead to actually achieve what they went out to do. They know it will happen, too. They don't want to live forever.

>melting people with chaos bed vestiges

Holy shit, pyromancy is perfect for taking on gank squads

>>171126591

The Undead in Dark Souls are literally the L'cie of FFXIII. They fulfill their purpose and die, or fail and suffer a shitty fate of going insane and never dying.

WOW IT'S FUCKING NOTHING

• Adjusted the values of shield infusion for raw, chaos, crystal, lightning and dark.
• Adjusted regular attack and running attack animation of curved sword category weapons.
• Improved the modifiers of bleed and poison infusions.
• Reduced the effectiveness of Hornet Ring in online play.
• Adjusted absorption values of certain armor sets.
• Seed of a Giant Tree hides all summon signs when active.
• Improved the intelligence scaling of Crescent Moon Sword.
• Improved weapon efficiency of Murakumo and Old Wolf Curved Sword.
• Improved the faith scaling of Saint Bident.
• Vow of Silence duration is now affected by Lingering Dragoncrest Ring.
• Improved the damage and restorative effect of Lifehunt Scythe.
• Improved the damage of Way of the White Corona.
• Improved the damage of Floating Chaos.

>>171127094
The comparison between them is not really 1:1, but I get where you're coming from.

>>171127149

>Seed of a Giant Tree hides all summon signs when active

DEEPEST

>>171127149
source cockmongler

>>171127149
>Vow of Silence duration is now affected by Lingering Dragoncrest Ring.
It already does. Pretty obvious fake patch notes.

>>171127264

Pretty fucking close in function.

>>171127149
I mean, this would be literally perfect and all, but I have no reason to believe this without a source.

Also, >>171127368

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>>171127149
>• Improved the modifiers of bleed and poison infusions.
Oh god this bait hurts.

>>171127149
>• Improved the damage of Floating Chaos.
The damage is fine though, you use it to pressure.

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>>171127149

>Seed of a Giant Tree hides all summon signs when active.

>Improved the intelligence scaling of Crescent Moon Sword.

>Improved the faith scaling of Saint Bident.

> Improved the damage of Way of the White Corona.
All good

>Improved the damage of Floating Chaos.
Spell is all ready strong why buff it.

Everything else is whatever.

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>>171127149
Sure anon

anyone want to help me with the cursed tree dude on ps4, playing a caster and it fucking blows and i cant find any summons at level 28 for fuck knows reason.

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Stream?

>>171128158
Sure, sign's outside the door.
password is moon

List of Strongest / Most Common Builds in Arena Right Now

1. Poise Warpick
2. Poise Greatswords
3. Turtle Sword (Straight Sword + Greatshield)
4. Quality (40 STR, 40 DEX)
5. Faith (45+ FTH)
6. Hollow-Quality (27 STR, 32 DEX, 33 LCK)
7. Dexterity (60 DEX)
8. Pyromancer (40 INT, 40 FTH)
9. Strength (66 STR)
10, Bleed Build
11. Spellblade (40 DEX, 40 INT)
12. Pure Sorcery (60+ INT)

If your build doesn't show up, that means it's not meta. I've compiled these results from over 500 matches on PS4 and PC each from different players. It's as accurate as it gets.

>>171127149
this has way too many good decisions for it to be true

>>171128246

>Poise Warpick that high up

I have never encountered anyone using Warpick in arena even though it's terrific.

The Darkmoon Blade Washing Pole has gotten popular by contrast.

>>171128197
in a couple of hours
twitch tv/bandainamcous

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>>171128246
>poise warpick that high
>quality 4th place
>bleed and hollow-quality listed as different

>>171128246
>It's as accurate as it gets
>doesn't post raw data

top kek

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Would anyone around SL 80 mind helping me out on Manus? PC, I have DSCM open, but I haven't connected to anons before. I'm chilling at the bonfire. My steam ID is 110000103b2ef12 if you need that.

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>>171128242
thanks dude.

>>171128707
No prob amigo.

>>171128246
>5. Faith

This can't be real. Scottjund and Reddit said miracles are absolute garbage. My sunlight spear does like 200 damage on the starting hollows, how could it possibly be meta?

>>171128498
Goddamnit this gif is old as hell isn't it?

>>171128246
good to know my pure sorc build im going will be meta.

>>171128893
Because a "faith" build is just a dark WP/CCS build with a healing miracle attuned.
They don't use offensive spells, they just run away when they have a health deficit and wait for a chance to poisecast a full heal. Because chasedown is shit in 3 even compared to 2, they can run away with impunity pretty much as long as they want and either score a time-out draw or find enough space to safely use their heal.

How do I know if I'll like these games or not?

>>171129278

Look at gameplay videos and then decide.

>>171129116
The difference between chasing in 2 and chasing in 3 is that 2 had a curved sword that fired sticky web to slow people down.

>>171129116
Actually there's been a lot of salt on Gamefaqs, Steam and even here about pure faith builds that use heavy armor and offensive miracles.

It's pretty awful to play against.

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>>171125960
no. no. no.
the coccoon guy was the dark pilgrim creature who gives free levels but turns us hollow.
seriously. he looks like a friggin caterpillar.
getting out from the tower was a damn cakewalk after the Well jumping in Majula.
i gave the firekeeper soul to fkwaifu.
now she'll need 81476 souls to cure my aids.
also got the Estus Ring. full emerald, of a Keeper who never met his champion.
Emerald Herald?
We're the next (to be) Lord who'd have to follow our Dark Souls 2 character maybe?
but we've been so fucking scrubs we didn't manage to do the Kindling properly so she killed herself in shame?
also when can i rape the corpse of this guy?

>>171129116
>tfw use lightning stake at invaders all the time

It's really fun in pve too.

Bamco stream starts in an hour, right ?

>>171129278
If you like zelda games but wished the combat was more of a focus and there were fewer NPCs and fewer quests and much less explained to you, then you'll probably like these games

>>171129362
>pure faith builds that use heavy armor and offensive miracles
>heavy armor
I'm glad people are finally taking heavy armor seriously. I've been running around with 40 vit and tanking 12 curved sword hits in a row.

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>People still think Faith builds are garbage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RwcnrNwH-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtrbv5EeCvw

>>171129523
An hour and 10 minutes, yes.

>>171129432
I've been having a lot of fun with it in my current faith run too. Stabbing bosses down the spine with lightning is goddamn fun.

But are miracles in any way usable in multiplayer, because I'm having extreme difficulty believing that unless you do something like ambushing someone who's running around a corner.

>>171122173
>making the mistake of trusting anon

I guess it's my fault

>Filianore is Gwynevere
>We never see 'true' Gwynevere, only her illusion made by Gwyndolin who we know distorted the world to look 'better'
>She's actually a lot smaller and has always been asleep since birth
>Gwyndolin made the illusion look like how he wished his sister could have been like

>>171129961
Why would you seriously go to the trouble of killing a non-hostile npc in the first place?

>>171129919
are you doing a pure faith build? how is the viability of using predominately miracles in pve? ive never tried it but it sounds enjoyably different.

>>171115636
hmmmmmmmmhmmmm nootka mmmmmhmmmmmm

>>171119276
>standing under the wyvern without your camera killing itself
Genuinely impressive. It's almost as impressive as Wyvern being a worse boss than Prowling Magus.

>>171124556
Did anyone else notice that there is no lost izalith to be seen from ash lake ingame?

>>171129961

it should though
if that didn't work there is no way to make him them friendly again

>>171130093
I just tried doing a run like that. It was horrible in NG, on and off fun in NG+ and mostly awful in NG++.

Maybe I was just approaching the playstyle wrong, but it didn't seem fun at all with how weak offensive miracles often seemed.

>>171127149
>Reduced the effectiveness of Hornet Ring in online play.
I'm gonna cum

>>171129996
>>Filianore is Gwynevere

Stopped reading. Seriously, this "Already named character changed name for some reason" meme needs to die

>>171130351
Considering what a joke the lore is at this point, it's not at all a surprise that people jump to those conclusions.

>>171129613
Good players will never get hit by them.

>>171127149
> Improved the damage of Way of the White Corona.
Too obvious.

Should I take my Quality or Pyromancer into TRC?

>>171130415
Fuck off, DS1 baby. They did this back then too

>>171129919
Lightning stake is hard to land against good players with fast weapons. The thing is I am using it in invasions so I get a lot of hits with it. It's a pretty useful tool to trade with bigger weapons by using unfaltering prayer with canvas talisman.

>>171129996
>We never see 'true' Gwynevere, only her illusion made by Gwyndolin who we know distorted the world to look 'better'
Statues in Anor Londo.
Unless you also believe Gwyndolin picked up masonry and goldsmithing to make them, because they don't seem to be illusions.

>>171130093
For bosses, with high enough faith and Lightning Stake it's perfectly viable. I think I have done every boss since Pontiff by solely using Lightning Stake on them, with the exception of Dragonslayer Armor, whom I had to use a morningstar infused with Lightning Blade, and Nameless King, on whom I used Gnawing for the second phase. I haven't done either the Ariandel bosses nor the Soul of Cinder yet though, although I plan to.
[Also I cheesed Dancer with the Dark Hand for the early access to Great Lightning Spear.

For level progression itself though, it'd be more troublesome, I have relied on my buffed weapon quite a bit to clear most levels, and trying to do that with spells alone would be harder and slower.

>>171130547
>DS1 baby
Fuck you, I'll have you know that I hate all these games equally, including that shitpile on a pedestal.

>>171130351
Friede is Velka and Ariandel is Lloyd.

Stream when?

>>171130651
Why are you even here?

>>171130716
1 hour.

>>171130651
May I ask what you're doing in this general?

>>171130863
Souls games are fun

>>171130665
Thanks vaati, but don't forget, every women is Velka. Also, every bowl is the Lord Vessel.

And the Nameless King was a king of Lothric

>>171130651
/v/ pls go

Wasn't Vaati supposed to get full access today or was that just some bullshit, it kept getting mentioned but not that often

>>171129613
Is that just a Lightening infused Longsword?

>>171130665

Who started this Velka meme? Why do youtubefags and plebbitors think she's important to the lore at all?

>>171131132
It mostly stems from ENB

>>171131132
ENB was obsessed with Velka and since most of the e-celeb lorefags just ape his schtick they all sperg over it too

So did anyone ever get a good explanation for what the snake thing behind Ariandel is?

>>171131042
He's probably with the pvp squad on the bamco stream in 50 minutes.

>>171131459
It's almost 100% a bait for TRC.

>>171131459
Velka

>>171131078
Yeah I just skimmed through it and it's 90% just passive keepaway with a longsword, backedalling, outright running away and fishing for the 'turn and burn' thing until his opponents get careless and roll onto a sunlight spear.

One guy tried to parry the spell so I guess that was pretty funny.

>>171131459
No but I remember a Bamco person saying it would have some role in TRC
So it's simply not explained yet

>>171131042
Some e-celebs will be in the livestream today, but will also be given more in-depth access to the DLC, with the info embargo lifting tomorrow.

>>171131591
>there are people who don't use shields with spell parry
I'll never understand why I'm apparently the only one running around with a golden wing crest shield.

Is there a link for the Stream anywhere?

>>171131459
>lower body of a snake
>who else has snakes for their lower half?
>Gwyndolin
>TRC is supposed to be the place where Gwyn left his youngest daughter
>who's to say things don't run in the family?

The lines are there.

>>171131956
Is the parry function of a spell parry shield identical to a regular parry of the same type of shield, with the added benefit of being able to parry spells?

>>171131918
Will PvPSkillz show all descriptions again and trigger the Soulbrandt fags ?

Which type of magic is the most pvp viable?

>>171132057
Exactly that, yes. If you were expecting an R1 and they chucked a lightning bolt instead, the lightning bolt will go zipping off away from you. If they did use an R1, you'll parry their attack and can riposte.

Sorry to bother you gents

I've just come back to the game, having last played shortly before the DLC came out. I think the last patch I played was the one before they fixed the Sacred Flame glitch

On that note, I've been looking at making a pyro build focusing on the Onyx Blade, Dark AGS, Gargoyle Flame Spear, and maybe a lightning lothric knight sword for lightning weak enemies. And the Witch's Locks, since regardless of their viability I find them great for dealing with multiple unarmoured enemies

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/152903

I made a rough idea for a build based more on infused weapons and putting the minimum into STR/DEX for the weapons I want. But I'm not sure if I've got the stats as good as they can be

I'm also not sure of what spells are recommended. Obviously unless I took a lot from other stats to go 40/40 INT/FAI I'm more or less stuck using Pyromancies if I want the most effectiveness, but what spells are currently the most viable?

>>171132034
https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.twitch.tv%2Fbandainamcous&oq=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.twitch.tv%2Fbandainamcous&gs_l=hp.3...1767.1767.0.2882.2.2.0.0.0.0.201.335.0j1j1.2.0....0...1.1.64.hp..0.0.0.0._1pPercZDBI

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>be in cathedral of the deep
>get summoned to settlement
>the lighting engine shits itself and everything is bright as fuck

jesus christ how horrifying.jpg

>>171132378
You really, really want to go 40int/40fth. Drop whatever you can to get that amount.

Good spells are chaos bed vestiges, black flame, and black serpent. Yes, black serpent got a significant buff a while back.

>>171132507
Why are you writing it like that ? You can just type:

twitch tv/bandainamcous

WHat will the stream show? Huge spoilers like encounters and bosses or just the new gear?
I just wan to know about the latter

>>171132378
>Dark AGS
AGS is meant to be raw anon, put a buff on it


> but what spells are currently the most viable?
vestiges, black serpent (it got buffed), black flame and fire surge

>>171132796
It's all PvP focused, so a portion of the new weapons is about all we're going to get.

>>171132378

>I made a rough idea for a build based more on infused weapons and putting the minimum into STR/DEX for the weapons I want. But I'm not sure if I've got the stats as good as they can be

Personally I'd lower ATT to 18 or 24 if you want and take a point off Vigor and everything from Vitality. (just weaponswap since your loadout won't be huge anyway) Put those points into INT/FAI until both are at 40/40 since that is the pyro/dark softcap.

>I'm also not sure of what spells are recommended. Obviously unless I took a lot from other stats to go 40/40 INT/FAI I'm more or less stuck using Pyromancies if I want the most effectiveness, but what spells are currently the most viable?

You are by no means stuck with pyromancies only as 40/40 INT/FAI is the most versatile build in the game aside from pure melee Quality. You can do not only pyros but you can make full use of the Crystal Chime which will allows you to use offensive sorceries and miracles as support. Sorceries only lose about 10-20% damage compared to a 60 INT Court Sorcerer's Staff with Crystal Chime and you can also attune healing miracles such as Great Heal or Bountiful Sunlight. The Crystal Chime itself also has a regen WA which makes healing even better for you. Really it depends on what you want but pyromancies are just one option, and only 3-4 pyros are terrific anyway with the rest falling off in terms of usefulness.

>>171129996

The reason Gwyndolin was raised as a daughter was because he needed an explanation for why a daughter went missing. Since Gwyndolin was always hidden away and no one really knew about him he took her place and no one would be the wiser.

Pretty sure I want to enter TRC in a Havel Cosplay, which would require rolling a new character. Worth it, imo

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>>171115484
>always killed the giants before that scene
>leave them alive for shits and giggles
>bridge starts going down
>giant isn't moving
>pan the camera
>die of heart attack

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>>171132796

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>>171132647
welcome to hell

>>171133024
can't you respec an existing one?
Anyway, rolling a character is never to late, the dlc is out in 2 weeks, you can even have someone drop you the gear

>>171132796
PvP so probably dlc weapons.

>>171132683

Issue with that is mate, I'm quite set on being bale to try out this Onyx Blade, and the Gargoyle Halberd

The only way I could come close to 40/40 without removing my STR/DEX stats is to take my attunement to 14 and use Darkmoon Ring for those three spells. Which would, of course, leave me hardly casting them due to FP shortages

>>171132734
Oh, whoops. I tried to do the www thing and kind of failed, so I did that instead.

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>>171127149
>• Seed of a Giant Tree hides all summon signs when active.

>>171132984

This is my theory, as well. Either Gwyn raised Gwyndolin as a daughter to save face, or he did so to fill the void left by his beloved daughter's absence.

>>171133040
somebody please record this shit, i can't stay up all night.

>>171133161
My current Quality character is in NG+ and out of respecs, kept fucking around with shit. Will probably change when I go on to NG++ after TRC, but wanted to have a "**** the Rock" name but oh well lol

Do you think we will see more returning areas in TRC?
Earthen peak is ok but i would like to see, idk, the catacombs or ashe lake, maybe iron keep or remnants of the dragon aerie.

>>171133338
Or it could be exactly as the game already says, and Gwyndolin was raised as a girl due to his strong moon connection.

>>171132858

Bit confused mate, according to Mugen a Raw Astora Greatsword is actually worse for me than normal, and I'd lose out on the high damage to dark weak enemies that I'd get from the infusion. What with AGS still getting a massive scaling boost from infusions

Are you sure you're not confusing it with the Raw ASS?

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>>171119276
I just emptied 3 ashtus worth of CSS to his face and then he went down

>>171133371
Use the name Habel the Pebble instead then
does anyone have the screenshot of this guy? It was a bootleg havel cosplay in das 2

>>171133578
He's confused and thinks you're talking about the astora straight sword. Astora great sword is really good with elemental buffs, you're fine.

Man what the hell is this? I've made a blessed weapon for the catacombs of carthus, but its damage against skellies is shit. Does it not work like in das1 anymore?

>>171133710
It does, yes. Blessed weapons get +20% bonus damage against skellies and prevent reanimation.

Problem is, they also get a massive, massive base AR reduction.

>>171133710
it does not, blessed just gives you hp/sec in 3 and is best for offhand parry tools

try a mace

What do you goys think the average level for the dlc will be

>>171133492

Don't you know, anon? Sequels are meant for retcons.

How do I make a good twink build? Planning on stopping around 25, do I just level vig and go raw?

>>171133426
>Ash Lake
I'm imagining a sequence of gameplay that's sort of like the giant pit in Majula that you go down by walking off one beam at a time, except the pit itself is roughtly the size of Anor Londo, and each beam is a Dark Souls I archtree fallen over and collapsed on its side, with you being able to occasionaly go inside them for a small sequence that's like the Great Hollow on its side before you can find an opening to go down to the next trunk.

>>171133981
80-90

>>171134043
>obtain Dragonslayer axe or Astora greatsword
>make them raw
>pick ring of favor ring and prisoner chain
And then you can encounter host with 3 phantom in high wall and undead settlement, but you will probably have no problem handling them

>>171134043
>pick an area to invade
>pick the biggest, meanest weapon you can two-hand while staying within the level range for that area
>spare levels in vig and end
>get tongues

>>171133875
It does, actually. It isn't commonly known since after the damage penalty you end up doing more damage uninfused, but that's why you find an ember that unlocks it just before the catacombs.

[Spoiler] The purging statue is used by the player to regain their memories, which results in entering a new area called Distant Memories, similar to the Giant memories in DS2. You enter completely barren of clothing, weapons and fully Hollowed. You start out shambling out of the Dark with many other Hollows of various sizes toward a large flame. Each Hollow starts fighting for the flame and you, being too weak compared to the others, must find a way to sneak through them and take some of the flame. You witness the birth of Gwyn and company and manage to snatch a flame of your own. Seeing all the other Hollows that were beaten down because they were too small and weak you see an opportunity. You split your flame and give each of the many weak, fallen Hollows a piece. You then drift off to set a plan in motion to get revenge on the others, a plan that would play out over the ages. Conspiring with the Primordial Serpents, having them assist Humans throughout the ages to bring an end to Gwyn's age, so that one day, Humans would rule. The Serpents find assistance with the Hollows of Londor to bring their king back. Just like those with the Lord Souls before, you would be reincarnated throughout the ages, until the day would come when you would take your rightful place as ruler.

Lord of the weak and oppressed. Lord of Humans. Lord of Hollows.

>>171133426
I wouldn't be surprised if earthen peaks return is literally just some set pieces and 1 building you can go in to kill the desert slut for her set.

and I'm a DS2fag, but to me it's pretty clear they're only including it because bamco said 'people loved the slut set, add the slut set'

So I took the advice you kindly gave me and lowered my ATT and VIT down, as well as my END somewhat to get the suggested 40/40 INT/FAI

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/152905

With this current build, I'll be able to use more or less all hexes and pyromancies to their full effect, while still having use of the Onyx Blade, Dark AGS, Lightning LKS, Gargoyle Flame Spear and Witch's Locks

With only 3 to 6 slots depending on ring choices I've taken Black Flame, Black Serpent and Fire Surge. With my current stats are there any superior choices to be made?

>>171132647
T H I C C

>>171134553
Nice fanfic, but my character isn't the lord of a bunch of faggot beef jerkies and neither is he working with those jew snakes

>>171134792

Also, I am somewhat concerned that I will be lacking FP to cast these spells with outside of emergencies, as I only have 18 ATT. Is there anything I can do to combat this issue?

>>171134792

>Lightning LKS

Switch this to the Longsword, it gets more AR with any elemental infusion and the marginal length increase the LKS has isn't worth it in comparison.

On to spells, there isn't anything superior really if you want to use only pyros. The only thing that would be worthwhile is adding Chaos Bed Vestiges if you want since it's a good nukes and can combo with Black Serpent.

>Kill nito
>don't want to do 4kids yet
>do asylum and painted world
>in wheel skeleton city
>about to put my shield up
>HEY BRO HAVE YOU DOWNLOADED WINDOWS 10 YET?
>asshole gets cleaved

10/10 would ragequit again

>>171119263
>>171119703
use a shield silly

>>171134553
>Lord of the weak and oppressed
This is supposed to be a good thing?

>>171134553
Hold control, press s.

Also, 4/10 for the fanfic.

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>>171134881

>>171134553
Almost sounds stupid enough to be stolen by Vaati

Has the stream started?

>>171135021
>being given a Windows 10 prompt almost a full year after they stopped advertising the free version
>not installing Windows 10 and then disabling all the spyware shit so that you have a semi-serviceable but free OS that will be the only one supported for the next 5-10 years)

>>171134697
According to Vaati we shall see the windmill and the poison swamp once again, but full of ruins and corruption. I hope they have more callbacks prepared.

>>171134792
>81% equip load
That's fat roll, trim it down to under 70%.

Other than that, you've done about as much as you can if you insist on having 16str/18dex rather than the standard 14-15str/12dex.

>>171135196
my windows isnt validated lul

>>171135001

I'm open to using any spells, I've just got those pyromancies there as placeholders since they were suggested to me by others. I will of course be switching different rings out for more spells as the need arises, so I would be using Vestiges along with Black Serpent at times

>>171134926
You really should be using 24att since vestiges needs two slots. 18 attunement is fine for spellblades and whatnot, but it runs out fast if used for offensive spells.

>>171135179
In five minutes, supposedly.

>>171135220
I still wonder why out of all the DS2 areas, they picked by far the dullest looking ones.
Why couldn't it be one of the good-looking areas of the base game, like Drangleic Castle?
Or... Drangleic Castle?

>>171135196
>disabling all the spyware shit
believing this, kek

>>171135240

Ignore the Equip load, that's down more to me having put some of my chosen weapons there for the sake of memory and comparisons. I will of course be mainly switching between weapons on the fly as the need arises, since this build is obviously based on versatility

>>171135001

Also, thank you for the heads up regarding the Longsword. Since I'll probably be PvPing mainly with the Flame Spear the range isn't as necessary as the damage

>>171135427
>not Majula

Still the comfiest

>>171135610

Additional note on the Longsword, make it Dark or have a spare Dark one if possible. A Dark Longsword is one of the best weapons in the game for dealing with shield turtles.

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>>171135427
I'll take earthen peaks design over say valley of defilement or blight town.

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>>171135386

That'd require taking 6 points out of something. I'm already 10 points lower in END than I'm comfortable with for using the AGS, and I can't think of a stat I'd be able to lower unless you'd have me use sub-40 VIG

>>171135848
get ready for disappointment

BandaiNamco stream boys

>>171135848
2DOORS HAVE DOULBE BLOCK

>>171135621
>ruined majula
>dark and corrupted
>you find an old shack
>you find an old bone
>"bone of an animal of yore, perhaps a small feline, touching the bone gives a nostalgic feeling, yet you can hear giggles from that sad memory"
>MFW

Thuder bow is a miracle

>Faith Bow is spell

>>171135848
Who is /ourguy/ out of these streamer bois?

>lothric war banner has generic spear moveset
god fucking damn it

>>171136236
pinky

>Capital Knight flaming sword
Fuck yes.

look at the fucking length of that thing

>it's a straight sword

>>171136280
thank god. I was worried it was gonna be a lance

4 HIT GUARRANTED COMBO BOY

>Ringed Knight Straight Sword
>Straight Sword with HA that has a 4 hit combo

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>4 hit stunlock with bonus fire damage and HA
>flame buckler
Okay, this DLC is officially P2W.

fuck this I'm out

>Healing ball
>A bow that costs FP to shoot
Rofl faith is fucking doomed

>>171136417
dont forget more range than a UGS

>>171136467
People can drop it to you, even if you don't own the dlc

>no stats
I'm out

>that range aim heal
>was going to get a group of SL 8-28 twinks to take on ringed city with a group
>can play a tank with new door shield
>can play healslut with new range heal miracle
>rest typical dps

based memeazaki we dark souls MMO now

>deliberately hiding the stats window
FUCK YOU, SHOW ME THE STATS FOR THE DOOR SHIELD

>>171136576
I don't even think the arrow it shoots has range either. It just kind of dissipates shortly after it's shot.

>wall has no offensive abilities
>"team" shield
I am angry, disappointed and confused.

Fuck From.

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Fuck yes
Now we can actually fight club in the arena

Playing Dark Souls again for the first time in a year, does multiplayer still work on steam or do i need to download some wizard shit?

>>171135386
>>171135729
>>171135885

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/152910

This build now has the 24 ATT, which I'm more comfortable with, but only 36 VIG. With 8 VIT I'm able to comfortable carry any of my three heavy damage weapons (Infused AGS, Onyx Blade, Gargoyle Flame Spear) while having my Dark Longsword on hand

Will having sub-40 VIG put me at a major disadvantage or will my sheer versatility in regards to approaching combat likely overcome that minor hinderance?

literally broke the game

i guarentee you the patch notes will destroy the current meta and crown this bullshit

>>171136467
The buckler cant parry, it useless outside of the WA (which we are not even sure it's actually good yet).

>>171136847
27-40 vigor only adds roughly 200 hp, you're good at 36

>>171136901
current meta is shit though, nothing of value will be lost

>>171136668
We already know it's 50str.

Someone will record this and post it on MEGA, right ?

>flamethrowers
Wew