/emugen/ - Emulation General: READ THE GODDAMN WIKI edition

emulation is still a meme

>>171112781
Can someone please paste a make america great again cap on this

Never played a GameCube game before.
What should I start with?

>>171115664
Mario Sunshine I guess.
Smash Bros Melee was my favourite Gamecube game though, give that a whirl.

What genres do you like?

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>tfw no working casio loopy emulation in the year of our lourdy lourdy 2017

>tfw still no J2ME Retroarch core

>>171115749
dating sims

>>171119704
Harvest Moon, it's a wonderful life.

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Zelda BoTW: I've been doing a save-load trick to bypass control freezing when a treasure chest activates on Cemu. Right after you kill the last monster you save just before the chest activates. When you load, the chest is activated, the cutscene is bypassed.

I can't get surfaces physics to work like the magnet tablet. It just doesn't connect with stuff, as if the magnetic blocks are transparent objects. Similarly, water doesn't exist, so I can walk through lakes.

Do you think they'll have updated shit by Friday's release?

>>171120287
no

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>>171120287
You're actually trying to play through the game on that shit? It's not going to be playable for ages. They're going to intentionally only fix a small amount of bugs each month to keep the money coming in.

A used Wii U is like $150.

>>171120820
you're implying people are going to keep donating even if there's little progress

>hey patrons, our newest build, now BotW runs at 6FPS instead of 5FPS and that's it
>hey, this isn't worth 5 bucks for the early version, I'll just stop donating and wait

>>171122832

you underestimate the stupidity of people

I mean they already gave this much

>>171123089
they only gave it this much to play it when it went from playing look at menus to being able to play, before it had like 5-6k per month

once the novelty wears off it will get boring to play a game that is essentially broken, that can't be finished, that requires workarounds everywhere like save files and cheat engine

What do I do with the files once I've downloaded a game with Wii U USB helper? Want to use them on CEMU. I have three folders with the game, update, and DLC.

>>171123532
Right I just unpacked them but now I have "Code" "Content" and "Meta" folders for the update, main game, and DLC. I know I have to add the code, content, and meta folders of the update or the dlc into the main game folders and overwrite them but if i do the dlc will that suffice? Do I then have to write over the update folders too?

>>171123718
>I know I have to add the code, content, and meta folders of the update or the dlc into the main game folders and overwrite them
no you don't

>>171123836
p-please tell wat do?

I have MK8 running and working but there's no DLC

Has byuu said something stupid that we can laugh at yet? Getting bored.

>>171120820
>>>/hbg/

Someone fork this and finish it

https://github.com/Alcaro/minir

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>>171125697
don't we already have enough trash?
phoenix/skeleton key/rgui/atv

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>last Dolphin update was 2 days 20 hours ago

That's the sort of thing I'd expect from some mismanaged, go nowhere project like PCSX2, not Dolphin. What is going on here?

>>171125048
You mean besides saying he hopes Cemu gets sued and retweeting feminist twitter accounts?

He's a parody of himself.

>>171126846
that's nothing fâm, citra goes a week sometimes without updates

>>171126846
Big news, dolphin can now emulate the wii u and the sega master system

>>171127009
Really? fucking lol. I guess the HRT does fuck your brain up. Who the fuck still funds him?

>>171127061
They haven't been able to emulate the GameCube in over a decade. Somehow I doubt they emulated the Wii U in 2 days.

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anyone use a front end? they any good ones? i hear about launchbox wasnt is free and emulatio station.

>>171107970
Accuracy is nice, but now well does it play?

>>171126846
All went downhill since Fiora left the project

>>171128078
retroFE

>>171115664
Wind Waker

Does Retropie only work if you're running Raspbian? I'm not a huge fan of running Raspbian but I still want to be able to use my Pi 3 as an emulation box

>>171120820
>They're going to intentionally only fix a small amount of bugs each month to keep the money coming in.

You are a fucking retarded. People will endlessly shit on them if they don't get what they want, and what they want could also be irrational.

any place for dice roms?

>>171133010
yeah

Can't seem to find a good answer online.
Are any of the Retroarch cores for NES worth jackshit? Like, I realise that the 'definitive' NES emulators have no liberto port but I'm making a cheap retroarch box for someone and I'd rather not have to use anything outside of it.

>>171123532
Read the fucking op. The title of the fucking op.
I write guide after guide and you fuckers just fucking ignore it. It's simple:
>What emulator am I trying to use?
Cemu
>I shall navigate to the wiki page for cemu
Oh look, a helpful guide on exactly how to download and extract the files i want, as well as how to sort and run them in cemu.

Does your mum stand by your shoulder all day repeatedly telling you to inhale and exhale?

>>171128078
I use emulation station. It's a bit shit but it's simple to use.

>>171133806
Fceumm or nestopia. Nestopia is very accurate. Fceumm has overclock if you want that to prevent slowdown.

>>171134539
Cheers mate. Don't suppose you have any opinions on the SNES cores while you're at it? Was planning to try out a few myself just to come to my own conclusions but it'd be I'd be interested in getting some outside opinions.

>>171120820
Getting rpcs3 to work shoud be of higher priority.
>inb4 no games
fuck nintendo and their shitty zelda

>>171133010
Open you mouth for the airplane, little anon!

http://www66.zippyshare.com/v/M52q9py1/file.html

>>171135635
>shoud be of higher priority.

Yeah, but let's be real, the only thing that could somewhat reach the level of zelda hype is P5, everything else has zero chance.

>>171134676
Bsnes-mercury balanced. It lets you overclock the superfx chip emulation and is very accurate otherwise.

>>171137063
It runs it at a few frames per second in cutscenes, i think.

>>171128859
Just look at this post and you can see why she killed herself.

>FCEUX on Linux

What the fuck is up with this stupid shit? It doesn't automatically scale the game to fit the window and full-screen doesn't work. Why is this such garbage compared to the Windows version?

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Absolutely epic

>>171140502
It's zeromusware

So I just downloaded CEMU cause I just learned about it, and people are mentioning needing open GL, but I've never heard of that shit, what is it and do I really need it to run CEMU?

>>171140947
>not just using RA

>>171144535
It's basically what allows you to run graphics on the emulator. You can download it from a site but make sure to get the 10.2a version and nothing after.

The site in question is on the wiki.

>>171137113
>bsnes mercury is a disgusting hack that undermines all of the accuracy I have tried to bring to the SNES emulation world, like reverting the years we spent on SNES coprocessor LLE, back to the hack-fest HLE code, killing off hard-fought and hard-won accuracy improvements in the name of speed, etc.

https://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1546&start=10#p38751

>>171145539
byuu apparently doesn't know what he's talking about. It doesn't revert the SNES coprocessor LLE at all, it just adds the HLE code back in as an option, something that hardly could be considered "killing off hard-fought and hard-won accuracy improvements". And all the other changes either are optimizations that have zero effect on accuracy or optional enhancements like SuperFX overclock.

Lets just say that Alcaro and byuu are no longer on speaking terms over bsnes-mercury and other things.

https://floating.muncher.se/byuu/uncooperative.html

https://www.patreon.com/Project64

>>171146216
seems legit

>>171145539
>This fork being actively developed, along with all the others that seek to revert and undo my progress, is a slap in the face to what I'm trying to accomplish. And at times, I wish I hadn't moved to a GPL license so that I could block these things.

lol

>>171146176
Bsnes-mercury is:
a) two years behind standalone
b) abandoned by Alcaro
c) with bug fixed in standalone

https://github.com/libretro/bsnes-mercury/issues/34#issuecomment-285327953

>>171147048
A libretro core out of date? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!

https://youtu.be/grbSQ6O6kbs

>>171147048
>two years behind standalone

Two years of minutia that only pertains to specific homebrew roms, anti-features like forced 512x480 output, removal of the balanced profile for no really good reason.

That SDD1 thing is the first real thing I've seen that actually affects a game. It would be better those changes was just backported specifically and the rest was ignored.

>>171147519
Also: future of Parallell N64/PSX is bright as black hole.

01:37 <@Twinaphex> TinyTiger made the whole thing
01:37 <@Twinaphex> nobody contributed to it
01:38 < Hypnotoad90> is tinytiger still working on it?
01:38 <@Twinaphex> no idea if he is still working on it
01:38 <@Twinaphex> he regards it as a fun joke project
01:38 <@Twinaphex> he does in his spare time

Also: Random changes of code can break something, if made by an idiot.

01:41 < Hypnotoad90> Twinaphex, werent you working on something yourself?
01:41 < Hypnotoad90> like a new rdp or something i forget
01:41 <@Twinaphex> I don’t see much of a point
01:41 <@Twinaphex> the code is all too broken in thes graphics plugins
01:41 <@Twinaphex> it’s too much messy garbage code
01:41 <@Twinaphex> lifted from oman
01:41 < Hypnotoad90> damn
01:41 <@Twinaphex> and the tiniest thing you change can break something
01:41 <@Twinaphex> not worth it

But there will be bounty system, so maybe someone will fix n64 emulation for $50.

>>171147048
>b) abandoned by Alcaro

byuu thinks it's still actively developed to spite him

>>171148952
Why don't you tell him what you think on there? Afraid you'll get banned and won't be able to monitor their IRC 24/7? :^)

In any case, you have to go back.

>>171149305
>Why don't you tell him what you think on there
Why would anyone want to interact with the retard that is SP?

>>171149305
SP checks emugen every hour.

>>171120287
there's a real fix for that. In your cemu folder make another folder called "gameProfiles" create new text doc called "00050000101c9500" and paste this in the doc "#The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (EUR)

[CPU]
emulateSinglePrecision = true"

>>171149521
You do, apparently, since you are fixated on everything that he says on IRC and respond to it on here

>>171149905
I am not even the same guy you paranoid fuck
Might wanna check your victim complex

>>171149997
Like I can tell one anon from another. If you want to differentiate yourself get a tripcode.

Name one non-retarded dev.

My DS3 is not being detected by wangblows 10 so it's not installing the xbox drivers, so no scp.

what do

>>171150239
Henrik

>>171150239
nocash

>>171150121
i'm only mildly retarded, so

>>171150470
too bad that guy makes his emulators unusable.
only version of no$gba worth using is 2.6a with all kinds of hacky shit to make it work right.

>>171150669
yeah, his emulators are crap. But his system documentation is excellent.

Is Hyperspin still a massive project to setup? Thinking about downloading it.

>>171149542

I miss the old days when he actually participated in the thread (and got banned)

>>171150239
Fiora

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oh shit son

https://twitter.com/Romhacking_net/status/842180161894244352

>>171151831
An hour and a half to go from "We're coming back, don't worry" to "It's all over, thanks guys".

What happened?

>>171151831
Doesn't matter, they never offered prepatched ROMs anyways

>>171151517
His posts in previous thread -
>>171111026

>>171152036
Those are anonymous, they could actually be anyone. I'm talking about when he actually used a tripcode.

>>171151831
fake news

>>171151831

There are a lot of really good hacks on RomHacking.net, like the color correction and voice removal for Super Mario Advance 4. And they were just starting to get serious about organization too.
I hope they're at least going to archive the ones that are currently uploaded.

>>171151831
>>171151940
>>171151956
>>171152172
>>171152232

It's a fake Twitter you retards.

>>171152232
that place is TREASURE.
btw they fixed castlevania dos magic-drawing recently.

>>171152357

Proof.

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>>171127268
>the HRT does fuck your brain up
Wait, is Byuu a tranny now too? Why are all emulation devs trannies?

>>171115664
Good games
Skies of Arcadia:Legends
Luigi's Mansion
Super Mario Sunshine
Legend of Zelda:Twilight Princess
Smash Bros.Melee
Mario Kart:Double Dash
Paper Mario:The Thousand Year Door
Billy Hatcher & The Giant Egg(Weird little game)
Pokemon Colosseum
Pokemon XD:Gale of Darkness
The Legend Of Zelda:Windwaker
Please don't hate my list guys

>>171152585
No

>>171152232
>I hope they're at least going to archive the ones that are currently uploaded.
https://archive.org/details/ROMhacking.netFiles2015-12-29

>>171152406
>fixed castlevania dos magic-drawing
How? By removing it?

>>171152835
That's over a year old.

>>171148952
Don't forget your definite and indefinite articles, Pajeet.

>>171152841
nah. you just draw the first stroke

>>171146216
>New builds/versions very often have regressions - it's almost like he's coding it blind.

https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/5zna4p/project64_is_joining_patreon/

Interesting

https://github.com/project64/project64/issues/669

>>171152712
F-Zero GX
Harvest Moon Magical Melody
WWE Day of Reckoning 2
SoulCalibur 2
Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
Kirby Air Ride
Metroid Prime 1 + 2
Eternal Darkness
Viewtiful Joe 1 + 2
Bloody Roar Extreme
Tales of Symphonia
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
Pikmin 1 + 2
Wave Race Blue Storm

Do you think we'll ever see a Vita emulator.

Debating on buying one and I know there isn't any real emulation for it now, but I know it just really got a good hack too for documentation.

I just wonder if the interest is out there. It has a good library, but like the PSP was overlooked due to bad marketing, high cost at release, and Sony actively wanting it to die.

>>171158023
They're planning on adding Vita emulation to RPCS3 at some point in the future.

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Where do you get your Roms?

>>171158563
From the Internet.

CEMU 1.7.4 is going to be able to run BOTW full speed. They have almost fixed the physics issues and are now working on general optimizations.

>My phone can reliably emulate the DS but because of the lack of hardware buttons makes it very hard to play something while the screens are vertical

>my laptop that has a sandybridge i5 makes ds games stutter on Desmume

>Run android emulator and use DraStic to play game on laptop

>no stutters at all

Is Desmume that fucking unoptimised? holy shit

>>171159660
DraStic is basically hacks, the emulator. If your game runs on it it'll probably run better than Desmume, but a lot of games don't work on DraStic.

>>171152408
>>171152357

https://twitter.com/RPGSite/status/842213147264000000
https://twitter.com/spinner_8/status/842036210407202816

>>171160236
Troll accounts

>>171155427
Those are great too!

>>171159415
sounds like bullshit

>>171160397
Proof.

>>171110831
>Can you give us an example?
HLE gfx & audio, buggy fork of Angrylion, and i heard even the RSP interpreter they forked has bugs.

>For instance I'm sure the state of the art of PS2 reverse engineering is way ahead of any emulator out there, but good luck "sticking to the docs" and getting a real time emulator out of it.
You're right that sometimes, devs deviate from docs to cut corners and gain performance.

>>171159660
turn on the jit, and set block size to 12 to avoid glitches.

Anyone know how to stop cracking issues in Mesen?

>>171162582

> buggy fork of Angrylion

Prove it. And it had better be substantial that results in measurable graphics deviations.

> and i heard even the RSP interpreter they forked has bugs.

proof is required, not 'what you have heard'.

Also, if you can help zilmar, you can help libretro devs as well. Just being salty and pointing out crap here is not being helpful, it's being parasitic.

What's the state of twilight princess and wind waker emulation on cemu?

>>171164389

Turn it into a libretro port and run it in RetroArch. Standalone is usually garbage because of garbage devs.

>>171158523
>RPCS3
I wonder if that is going to work out. Most multi-system emulators don't seem to take off outside of Dolphin. Can't really count retroarch since its more of a frontend, I know that isn't exactly what it does, but you know.

I followed some steps because I wanted to get BTOW running on CEMU to see how it would look. Problem is it only apparently runs on the latest version of CEMU. I've downloaded it, although I haven't paid for it, and it simply refuses to open at all. The best I got is it opens for a few seconds, then closed. Now it won't open at all. Any ideas?

>>171170791
You have a virus now.

>>171165567
>Prove it. And it had better be substantial that results in measurable graphics deviations.
https://github.com/libretro/parallel-n64/issues/399
I'm sure there are more issues.

> Just being salty and pointing out crap here is not being helpful, it's being parasitic.
How is that being salty? I'm merely pointing out flaws, since it's related to current discussion on here. It doesn't make sense to call out emudevs for simply copying everything, while copying their inaccurate code.

>Also, if you can help zilmar, you can help libretro devs as well.
Not sure why you even mentioned zilmar. Sounds a bit funny to hear from you, considering that libretro devs are criticized for not contributing back to standalone projects. Logan said RA devs don't contribute back to mupen64plus, not that he has much credibility. Still sounds funny to hear though. Zilmar doesn't even use Oman's docs and his RSP is not as accurate as the docs in Oman's, but at least he has a valid excuse, unlike certain other devs.

Can you tell me why I should contribute to libretro?

>proof is required, not 'what you have heard'.
I'm sure some bugs have already been reported to the developers.

>>171146216
Isn't PJ64 essentially "done" for the average user who just wants to play mario or zelda? What could a patreon possibly offer to the masses?

>>171038156
>Where were you when GLideN64 fixed Body Harvest?
GOnetz said he couldn't run up the stairs. I knew it was too good to be true..

>>171170791
Hey newfriend go back to twitter until you know what you are doing.

>>171174185
Considering n64 has like 5 games worth playing, pretty much yes. Fucking Saturn has richer library of good games.

>>171169356
Mednafen

>>171123718
>>171123532
Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiJj91CMtsU

>>171152820
Mudlord is. As his ranting ass shows.

where am I supposed to put the gamecube bios in linux? I have it in ~/.local/share/dolphin-emu/GC/USA/ipl.bin but it still isn't working.

Is there a database for game savefiles?

Looking for an NG+ save file for DDS1 cause I don't feel like grinding for 10 hours just to fight an optional boss.

>>171180524
Forgot to mention I'm talking about PCSX2

>>171152161
It's him. He is onanist, sorry, Omanist, thats his Holy Grail and Moral Compass.

>tripfag
!GS0QxeiKyQ? SP, please make another goal on your Patreon:
1000$: TwinAphex will return to tripfagging on /emugen

>>171180178
Dolphin doesn't need a bios.

>>171184480
the fonts look like shit without it

>>171180178
~/.local is pretty obfuscated location. I bet it's not even on $PATH env variable.

/usr/local would be more logical destination.

>>171184870

PATH doesn't have anything to do with it (it's used by the shell to find executables).

~/.local is a user-owned counterpart to /usr/local used by certain programs. I guess the idea is to stop dumping random config files directly in ~/

I assume the parent didn't pull the location out of their ass and that Dolphin actually does use this file hierarchy.

>>171185153
C:\Program Files\

>>171150239
PPSSPP swede.

>>171159764
>but a lot of games don't work on DraStic
Name a single game which doesn't work on Drastic but works on Desmume

>>171158563

I use "loveroms" dot com

Really nice site, no intrusive ads and direct downloads.

>>171158563
try the OP retard

>>171186925
fuck off shill

>>171187696
No fuck you cunt.

Its a good website.

anybody know how to compile virtual jaguar in linux? I'm having issues with qmake. At first it wasn't found but I made a symbolic link to qmake-qt4. Then it found it but now it says ***Unknown option -qt=5

>>171188104
Just use RetroArch

>>171188504
core is outdated

>>171188104

You should give us a full build log, having to make symlinks for qmake sounds suspicious (although in my experience it's always painful to deal with multiple installed Qt versions).

That being said it looks like the code uses qt5 while you're trying to build it with Qt4.

>>171188525
What's it missing? Seems very up to date to me.

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>>171188793
well I installed qt5 and get the same error. This time it installed qmake and I had to remove my symlink. There's not much to show in the build log pic related.

>>171188995
well last I heard they pissed off the developer so I was assuming it wasn't getting updates.

>>171189068

I just gave it a try, their build system is a mess.

Anyway, try `make V=1` so that you can see the exact command that fails.

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>>171189494

>>171189612

It really looks like a bad version of Qt then. Are you sure the qmake in your PATH is from qt5?

>>171189815
yes because it wasn't there when I installed qt4 and it got created when I installed qt5.

>>171189858
also

qmake -v
QMake version 3.1
Using Qt version 5.8.0 in /usr/lib

>>171189858
>>171190013

Welp. Can't really help you more with that, the build fails even earlier on my computer (my gcc might be a bit too modern).

I guess as a last resort you could try to remove the -qt=5 option in the Makefile. Failing that I'd just go to some Qt IRC channel or similar to ask them about it.

>>171190167
>remove the -qt=5 option
ok that worked, thanks.

>>171127567
>They haven't been able to emulate the GameCube in over a decade
Lol what

I've played tons of games to completion on it, what title doesn't work for you that has you whining?

>>171189318

You should assume less then since it's fully updated.

How many times are you guys going to claim this lame 'I heard the core is outdated' trash and then sucker people into believing that?

Also, you act like some lone wolf autist coder that pushes some random Qt UI commits every now and then constitutes some kind of noteworthy change. None of the 'frontend commits' that most of these emu coders usually push have any bearing or any significance for the actual core of the emulator.

It's just a case of endusers most of the time just being fucking stupid. Then they go through this 'standalone version' and they run into all sorts of bullshit in order to get it to even run because most of these standalone devs don't get integration, they don't get how you make code modular, and the Linux versions are almost always unmitigated trash that requires you to use some trashy framework or with some less than ideal frontend code behind it.

Honestly, it's just a shocking example of a lot of people in this 'scene' just being stupid mindless idiots; pearls before swine.

>>171171021
>https://github.com/libretro/parallel-n64/issues/399
>I'm sure there are more issues.

Except PJ64 didn't backport these 'interlacing' changes either; go through your precious Zilmar's coding log or whomever the fuck this guy was that backports angrylion to that.

BTW, it would help if Angrylion itself wasn't just coded for Win32 and has all sorts of trash WIn32 code in its code, if it wasn't designed around DirectDraw (a worthless dead API at this point), so that one could actually port this stuff without having to make changes. Honestly, Angrylion is not even all that significant. It's mostly just a copy-paste job from Oman no matter how much he tries to deny it.

Most of you N64 emu coders are just pathetic script kiddies that all steal from the same source. Stop bullshitting yourself that you are any kind of 'reversers'.

> 'Not sure why you even mentioned zilmar. Sounds a bit funny to hear from you, considering that libretro devs are criticized for not contributing back to standalone projects. Logan said RA devs don't contribute back to mupen64plus, not that he has much credibility. Still sounds funny to hear though. Zilmar doesn't even use Oman's docs and his RSP is not as accurate as the docs in Oman's, but at least he has a valid excuse, unlike certain other devs.

Mupen64plus doesn't want help nor do they want to collaborate. Also, their codebase is shit and they don't want to improve it so it makes sense from a libretro core perspective.

> I'm sure some bugs have already been reported to the developers.

Copout. So you don't know then. Shut up about stuff then where you are uncertain. You are just creating FUD at this point.

>>171191281
>>171191602
Take your meds Daniel

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Will we ever have a n64/saturn emulation on par with the ps1?

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Can someone tell me what the fuck is wrong with PleasureDome? Is it down for good?

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>>171158563

>>171192961
Add www. at the start of the URL.

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>>171193336
Mein negger. Arigato.

Where can I get PC98 ROMs?

>Downloaded Higan
>Opened Link to the Past ROM
>Everything is lagging, even music. 30 FPS
How can I change it?
FAQ doesn't have an answer

>>171150815
His emulators are written from scratch in assembly. They're a work of modern art.

>>171197762
I wonder what CPU he has these days?

>>171197734
Just use snes9x(the latest version, 1.54).

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>>171159415
Fake news? Source?
Don't Alex Jones me.

>>171202291
Do you have doubts, of course that guy is joking. Fixing such strange glitches will take some weeks for sure.

>>171191602
>Except PJ64 didn't backport these 'interlacing' changes either; go through your precious Zilmar's coding log or whomever the fuck this guy was that backports angrylion to that.
Even if that's true, at least his fork still isn't as buggy.

>BTW, it would help if Angrylion itself wasn't just coded for Win32 and has all sorts of trash WIn32 code in its code, if it wasn't designed around DirectDraw (a worthless dead API at this point), so that one could actually port this stuff without having to make changes.
Why does it matter what API he uses for blitting the screen? It's not that hard to change the API. OpenGL is trash. Have fun with slower performance. Regardless of the fact that it requires a little more work, it's silly to just copy 100% of his code anyway. Just hard fork it and make whatever changes you want.

>Honestly, Angrylion is not even all that significant. It's mostly just a copy-paste job from Oman no matter how much he tries to deny it.
He never denied using information from Oman's. Feel free to check his credits list.

>Most of you N64 emu coders are just pathetic script kiddies that all steal from the same source.
I totally agree. Pretty pathetic when devs are using docs and still can't even match its accuracy. Again, why do RA devs copy code from these pathetic script kiddies??

>Mupen64plus doesn't want help nor do they want to collaborate. Also, their codebase is shit and they don't want to improve it so it makes sense from a libretro core perspective.
Fair enough haha. Not the greatest team to work with.

>Copout. So you don't know then. Shut up about stuff then where you are uncertain. You are just creating FUD at this point.
Joke's on you if you think that RSP is free of bugs. I gain nothing from going out of my way to help people who are not my allies. I've helped certain hateful individuals in the past, and they still hate me..

>>171203095

> gain nothing from going out of my way to help people who are not my allies. I've helped certain hateful individuals in the past, and they still hate me..

Episode 134 of season 30 of Days of our Emuscene

>>171159415
It 1.7.3d already plays the game at full speed as long as you have powerful enough hardware.
Telling me the game will run at full speed means nothing without some frame of reference.

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anyone did cemu working on linux?program error when open input option.

>>171203095
>OpenGL is trash. Have fun with slower performance.

Maybe if you're still running Windows XP with a non-existent GPU.

>>171203095
Why are open source fags such twats about copied code? That's the whole point.
>It's only open source if you kiss my ass and praise me 24/7
Fucking faggots get your head down and code.

>>171203095
>Why does it matter what API he uses for blitting the screen?

The software renderer should just render directly into memory, where it gets sent to a blitter that's seperated from the renderer code. Putting DirectDraw directly into the renderer code like Angrylion did is a very bad design.

Q: How do I emulate MotionPlus in Dolphin? Do I need a specific branch version of the emulator?

>>171112515
How's emulation on android? I'm trying to decide whether to buy a thinkpad t420/x220 for emulation or a nvidia shield tablet.

Can those thinkpad models emulate ps2 games or no?

>>171209073
Android sucks for emulation, too much latency.

>>171208996
>emulate MotionPlus

You don't as there is no point
Get a real one

>>171208996
Another question. So there was working MotionPlus emulation back in the 3.0/3.5 era, but today people on the Dolphin boards will vehemently say MotionPlus emulation is impossible.

Dafuq?

>>171209270
>Get a real one
No.

>>171209270
>>171209281
IIRC, there was a fork of Dolphin (Ishiiruka?) that someone made that had emulated WiiMotion+. I've tried it myself and I still haven't gotten it to work right.

The official Dolphin never included that code, so it does not support emulated WiiMotion+. If you wanna do it, your best option is probably to code it yourself. Publish it if you do, 'cause I've been wanting to finish Skyward Sword for a while now.

>>171209281
>but today people on the Dolphin boards will vehemently say MotionPlus emulation is impossible
The people on the forums will sing any tune the devs tell them to sing.
Motion+ emulation isn't the only bullshit excuse Dolphin devs have fed to the people.

One final question. How do you update a Skyward Sword game file with the updates to make the game not break?

>>171209281
>>171209870
It's not that it's impossible, it'll just take you 1 hour to clear a 5 minute puzzle

>>171209125
Does the t420 or x220 run ps2 games well?

>>171210043
>it'll just take you 1 hour to clear a 5 minute puzzle
yeah because Resident evil 7 didn't do shadow puzzles on PC without a motion plus
oh wait motion plus is a gimmick with no added functionality.

>>171210070
PS2 emulation on non-Windows systems blows

no one on the irc knows why romhacking.net is down

most people think the twitter is fake but some aren't sure

>>171210252
Its pretty much the same on Linux as its on windows.

>>171210434
No DirectX renderer hurts alot
Also, the lack of 64-bit supports causes additional dependencies (which isn't an issue on Win)

>>171210427
They are launching a patron scam. Holding it hostage till you pay them every month.

>>171210610
>No DirectX renderer hurts alot
The D3D renderer is objectively inferior to the OpenGL one
The difference in performance is like 15FPS unless you're on ayymd.

>>171204113
Having to use cheat engine to get 30FPS =/= the game runs fullspeed

>>171213037
Cheat engine isn't needed to get 30fps. It's needed to get above that because of the software lock at 30fps.

How can you be this retarded and still manage to type?

>>171210434
I mean those thinkpad models running on Windows.

>>171213742
>runs fullspeed
>choppy as fuck on a i5 7600k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Au_XrDKQ0&t=159s

>>171210791
>The difference in performance is like 15FPS unless you're on ayymd.

I'm not on AMD and the OGL renderer is still way too slow for me

>>171214353
Runs fullspeed on powerful enough hardware.
Obviously saying it runs fullspeed doesn't mean anything without having some hardware specs as reference. Hence the point of the post, you mongoloid cuck.

>>171214876
>powerful enough hardware
that CPU is one of the best you can use right now for emulation dumbass, it's pretty obvious cemu still needs work

That video just proves your retarded baseless posts wrong.

>>171215143
>one of the best you can use right now
And it's not powerful enough to run it at full speed, but it will run at full speed on much more powerful hardware.

Stop acting so offended over me asking for reference specs and post them instead.

>>171215302
>but it will run at full speed on much more powerful hardware.
>"It will run fullspeed on hardware that doesn't exist yet"

>>171215302
So you just moved goalposts, before it was Cemu runs BotW fullspeed, now it's "it will" eh. Fucking retard.

Also CPUs aren't progressing much nowadays, the emulator will have to be more optimized.

>>171215636
>there's no hardware more powerful than the 7600k
Okay.

>>171215691
>So you just moved goalposts
Really didn't. See
>>171204113

>>171216469
>Okay
It has the highest single core performance level of any CPU currently, CEMU only cares about single core performance so yes for CEMU there is nothing significantly better.

>>171216469
kys

So I installed Dolphin 3.5 and am using the WM+ mod with SS. Works fine. Not understanding why people bitched about it yet. Though 3.5 seems to run like ass.

>>171218207
Were you able to make sword slashes from every angle? I had a real tough time making Link slash from upper right to lower left. What config/input settings did you use?

>>171218207
how do you use all the ranges of movement of the wiimote plus with buttons?

Is being an emudev a mental illness?

>>171221947

No, but being an emudev requires an illness of some sort

>>171218764
>>171218784
The control scheme I'm using has it where you pre-feed your direction in via analog stick. So you ease it the direction you want the slash to go and then press R2 and it executes the attack. Spin Attack is Circle Button and Thrust is Triangle Button on my DS4 pad. Had to make 1 and 2 buttons L3 and R3 because I couldn't figure out a better way to map them, but it works because they have a fair amount of resistance. Need to experiment more.

Basically, it works. It may work better than actually using the WiiMote. Because all I've ever heard regarding the WiiMote, even from people who love Skyward Sword, is how bad it is in the game.

>>171223158
>The control scheme I'm using has it where you pre-feed your direction in via analog stick. So you ease it the direction you want the slash to go and then press R2 and it executes the attack.
Hmm, I get the concept, but I guess if you could post screen shots of your emulated WiiMote and Nunchuck input configs, that'd be the easiest way to get that across.

>>171224562
I just followed this guide/used these config files.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH7abWWaKk4

Hmm. Disregard what I said. I was apparently having retard's luck with swing RNG.

just a heads up

link to nside in http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Higan is broken

reup or lose it?

>>171228537
I figured something was still off somehow. Guess we'll need to play around with it and find something that works? Oh, I've been using keyboard and mouse; dunno if that explains my difficulties or not.

Is there any way to go fullscreen in NEStopia without the screen becoming stretched?

>>171228990
there's an option in the settings that makes you not retarded. If you weren't retarded, you'd know that by now.

>>171228990
Retroarch

>>171203095
>I've helped certain hateful individuals in the past, and they still hate me..

So who would those 'hateful individuals' be, and who are you? Stop playing these childish games, AIO.

>>171218207
>>171223158
Just wait until you have to use items that use WM+, you're going to have switch configs mid-game to use those.

>>171214676
OGL always runs worse on windws than linux because Poojeetsoft are pushing their API.

>>171243428
>le conspiracy theorist

Funny you mention that, back when steam machines were heralding the year of the linux desktop (again), there were a lot of windows vs linux benchmarks made, including of valve's own games and yes, they were tried on Nvidia GPUs. Guess which OS handily won.

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>>171245831
>linux
pfft.

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>>171246708

>Emulating WM+ on a gamepad
>"Now, just hold your sword vertically."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5solYnY3MM

>>171245831
>conspiracy
You must be over 18 to be here. OGL always ran worse on windows than linux.

>>171152585
No but Byuu got way too political for my tastes desu. Keep your politics and your work separate and don't say things like "if you voted for Trump I think less of you as a person"

https://byuu.org/articles/common-ground/

I wonder if the public release of cemu 1.73 will just be 1.73d or if there will be additional improvements.

Guys does anyone have a Dolphin Emulator with Motionplus after version 3.0-255 but before version 3.0-410?

The wiki links to the topic are all dead: http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Dolphin

Reason being is the version 3.0-255 has working save states BUT if I want to play a different game it resets the controller configs to default. Basically you have to setup controls for all games indvidiually and that is a pain for frontend users. Now the dolphin with motion plus 3.0-410 doesn't have individual controller profiles but save states don't work.

>>171209573
Can you post the Ishiiruka build here?

PS. The Dolphin devs are the biggest bunch of elitest bastards. Back in 2012 I beat skyward sword with emulated motion plus with the only major issue being the drawing circle on wall. Back in the day they hated the guy JPaterson that made dolphin with motion plus because they saw him as basically a threat to their inner circle. There was never nothing wrong with his builds.

>>171209573
>>171250829
Ishiiruka isn't about WM+.

>>171251110
Ok, Where is a good place to download all the WM+ builds that were released?

>>171209573 here.

>>171250829
>>171251110
>>171251519
Had to hunt around for it a bit, but here's where I got my build from:

https://forums (dot) dolphin-emu (dot
) org/Thread-zelda-skyward-sword-emulated-controls-unnoficial-thread

>>171253206
>Thread-zelda-skyward-sword-emulated-controls-unnoficial-thread

You will notice that the mediafire links are dead.

>>171253536
Dammit, that wasn't the case when I got it. Looks like I'll have to find another source. Quick googling shows recent Ishiiruka builds based on Dolphin 5.0, but there's no indication of being able to emulate WiiMotion+ functionality. I'll have to do some digging to find it, though I need to head to bed soon. I'll pick it up tomorrow, though.

>>171253786
Ok, post it in this topic or the new one that comes up.

>>171246708
Man fishing from tank hatch catches boot

>>171253921
Roger that.

Sigh. After some digging, I realized I was wrong; I wasn't using an Ishiiruka build, I was using >>171224890's youtube video, which was using official Dolphin 3.5 with special mod files found via the Youtube page.

My bad folks, I thought it had something to do with the Ishiiruka build but I was wrong.

>>171255326
Yup, I found that as well. 3.5 has choppy audio and runs slow for me.

>>171255663
Yeah, and this modded build is the one I was having trouble with the WiiMotion+ emulation, as I described above. I guess there aren't any OTHER builds that do this, are there? If nothing else, this guy's mod is a step in the right direction. Maybe the relevant changes can be added to a fork of Dolphin 5.0 and tweaked so that the controls work properly?

>>171205112
>Maybe if you're still running Windows XP with a non-existent GPU
I've asked several people and they all said that the OpenGL version was slower.

>>171205798
that's why i think it's best go hard fork and do it your own way.

>>171233368
>So who would those 'hateful individuals' be
The kind of individuals who turn allies into enemies because of their own pessimistic delusions about other people. The kind who make false accusations, based on their own silly imagination.

Anyway, Tinytiger is a smart guy and picked the right code to use for his RSP, so I don't think cxd4's RSP matters at all.

I think the RA devs should team up with PJ64 devs to make N64 emulation great again!

Does anyone have the wii u textures for twilight princess ported over for the gamecube version?
I found a forum post from a guy that ported them, but he removed the download links.

>>171257761
Doubt anyone has that unless they were very lucky, the link was available for all of 30 minutes.

>>171258702
Damn, that's unfortunate.
I'll keep my hope alive though.

>>171248951
Sounds like byuu is a smart guy in my book.

Trump is a moron and anyone who voted for him is a moron.

>>171260184
kys

>>171261158
Typical Trumptard response.

>>171260184
(you)

How is the RPCS3 Patreon faring so far? Any chances that they'll make the big money after showcasing Persona 5?

>>171266859
no. persona is stupid weeb shit that no one cares about.

>>171268641
(kill yourself)

I'm having problems swapping discs in Heart of Darkness for the PS1 w/ Mednafen (via Retroarch). Whenever I try to append the second disc, it just launches into that disc (the Sony logo appears and all that) instead of letting me go to the disc swap screen to continue. Fiddling with the disc tray status doesn't help. What do?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNLXJeZ5gQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yym9Fxamx30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbqPbBBcPxo

is anybody using mednafen on ubuntu? I just compiled it and it won't fullscreen.

>>171272663
weird. I had to enable it in the config but the hotkey still won't work. If I start it in fullscreen I can exit it with the hotkey but it won't let me go back.

>>171256626
Lets call a spade a spade, we all know its one person that fits that description only.

Why does Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance run so shit on Dolphin netplay? Runs like a charm offline.

>>171210427
take another look at the twitter, he's posting cringy memes and trump shitposts now

it's definitely fake. the guy is a /v/ troll

>>171274080
Turns out it was on my pal's end

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Anyone know how do this part on cemu? I can't lift that thing and webm related is what happens when i press A.

>>171276738
Magnet puzzles broken on current cemu.
wait for fix or get a console

>>171276738
that magnet thing is a main mechanic if it doesn't work then you won't be able to beat the game

you'll have to just wait until it gets fixed in cemu

or go buy the game and play it on hardware, since it will probably be a while until the game emulates flawlessly

>>171276776
is it broken on all the cemus or is there an older version i can download where it isnt broken

>>171276738
As the anon said it's broken. A solution is using one of those saves some people loaded that let you play right after that puzzle.

>>171276902
any idea where i can find such a save? i really want to play the game

>>171276963

If you really want to play the game I don't see why you'd want to skip entire areas because it's half broken.

Anyway, google is your friend: https://www.reddit.com/r/cemu/comments/5z7j51/botw_megathread/

>>171276963
A Wii U is like $150

>>171276963
I saw some people on /v/ posting the link, but aside from that dunno. Maybe checking if the reddit people posted the link in one of their main thread's OP is the easier way.

>>171277031
thanks a lot anon
>>171277085
its 500$+ in my 3rd world

>>171277085
Not him, spending 150 on a dead console for a game that will be playable on cemu is fucking dumb.

>>171277198

Only the rich can afford to be impatient

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Why are Dolphin fans so anal about plugins? Like, do they seriously believe Dolphin removing plugins was anything more than Dolphin attempting to create some kind of walled garden ecosystem where they had total control over the direction of the project? 90% of Windows software uses plugins in some capacity. It lies at the heart of Windows software design, which is all about empowering users who might want to add functionality to a piece of software beyond its original intention. The way Dolphin fans talk, you'd think they wanted a future where PCs are sold without PCI-Express slots because "adding an external GPU will just confuse users anyway". Who needs third party sound cards? Just use the motherboard's inbuilt sound chip. Who needs network cards? Just use the inbuild chip. Who needs SATA expansion cards? Just use the inbuilt chip. Man, who needs "options" and "choices?"

Why the hell do so many people in the emulation fandom use shitty integrated GPUs, anyway? Is this why they hate the idea of modular design so much?

>>171279015
It is open source program. You don't have to fuck with plugin specification, you can make changes EVERYWHERE.

>>171279015

Plugins to add optional features to a program (like browser add ons for instance) are fine IMO. The problem is with "modular" emulators where all core functionality comes from plugins.

That's the equivalent of having to download a plugin to display images in your browser, except there are 4 or 5 of them, each with their own caveats.

This type of architecture only makes sense for closed source emulators since that's the only way for 3rd parties to plug their own code into it. With open source you can just hack the source code directly. So your accusation of Dolphin being a "walled garden" is baseless.

Mednafen is not modular in the slightest but that didn't stop people from adding 3rd party
renderers.

If anything it gives you more flexibility because you don't have to conform to a predefined interface. The idea that the various "modules" of a console can be emulated in isolation through a well defined interface is nice in theory but in practice it's often a tiny bit more difficult.

>>171279462
>That's the equivalent of having to download a plugin to display images in your browser, except there are 4 or 5 of them, each with their own caveats.
Programs like photoshop use plugins to display images.

>>171279716

That would be the equivalent of an emulator plugin to handle a specific ROM format.

Photoshop doesn't need a plugin to use its selection tool.

And Photoshop is closed source so it's not like there's an alternative.

>>171279462
>With open source you can just hack the source code directly. So your accusation of Dolphin being a "walled garden" is baseless.
It means that if you want to extend Dolphin's functionality, you're forced to use a completely different fork of the emulator. There's a reason none of the forks of Dolphin actually went anywhere.
>And Photoshop is closed source so it's not like there's an alternative.
GIMP is open source and supports plugins, too.
>Photoshop doesn't need a plugin to use its selection tool.
What do you mean "need a plugin"? Windows software generally uses plugins for everything. That's what dll file are.

>>171279364
>It is open source program. You don't have to fuck with plugin specification, you can make changes EVERYWHERE.
This worked out really well for Handbrake, didn't it? Licensing issues mean that you can't use FDK AAC audio encoding, so the program only puts out shitty AAC. If it had been plugin-based, like most video/audio encoding software of its type, it would be possible to simply drop the FDK dll file into the folder and gain access. Instead people are stuck using the 2015 version of Handbrake. Nobody's going to fork handbrake and try to keep it up to date. That's a pain.

>>171279015
Because older emulators that rely on plugins are an utter mess. First, you end up with the plugin hell that is N64 emulation where each plugin has something the others lack and none is the definitive option, then you risk ending on a PSX situation where the leading plugin is closed source and the creator disappeared so if you want to advance development you need to start from scratch. And it's just inefficient, you end with a bunch of people each reinventing the wheel for no discernible reason other than bragging rights.

On the other end of the spectrum you end with shit like PCSX2 where nobody gives a fuck so there's effectively one plugin and that's all there will ever be, which makes it largely pointless to bother having a plugin in the first place.

>>171271613
Can it run Gran Turismo 2 without glitches yet? I swear to god GT4 feels way worse than GT2 for plenty of reasons.

>>171279015
>Why the hell do so many people in the emulation fandom use shitty integrated GPUs, anyway
Poorfags/retards that are selectively technologically illiterate

>>171280149
>Because older emulators that rely on plugins are an utter mess.
All older emulators are an utter mess. ZSNES doesn't use plugins.
>First, you end up with the plugin hell that is N64 emulation where each plugin has something the others lack and none is the definitive option, then you risk ending on a PSX situation where the leading plugin is closed source and the creator disappeared so if you want to advance development you need to start from scratch.

Those two are exactly the same thing. The only reason N64 plugin hell exists is because the creator (Jabo) disappeared. But N64 plugin hell essentially doesn't exist anymore because Azimer's has matured enough to become the only N64 audio plugin worth giving a shit about, and GLideN64 is the future. I'm not sure why CLOSED SOURCE plugins are conflated with OPEN SOURCE plugins. Closed source plugins cause the exact same problems as closed source bullshit emulators like CEMU or, ahem, Dolphin.

>And it's just inefficient, you end with a bunch of people each reinventing the wheel for no discernible reason other than bragging rights.

You mean like Play! for PS2 or the million and one GBA/GBC emulators?

>On the other end of the spectrum you end with shit like PCSX2 where nobody gives a fuck so there's effectively one plugin and that's all there will ever be, which makes it largely pointless to bother having a plugin in the first place.
It's not pointless. If someone feels like writing a better video, audio, input, or networking plugin for PCSX2, they can run it.

>>171279929

>It means that if you want to extend Dolphin's functionality, you're forced to use a completely different fork of the emulator. There's a reason none of the forks of Dolphin actually went anywhere.

Because if it's worthwhile changes will be integrated upstream and the emulator will keep being maintained as a whole? The alternative being having a bunch of plugins which may or may not be maintained and could break randomly as you change OS for instance.

>GIMP is open source and supports plugins, too.

Plugins are not the issue, plugins for core functionality is. I use emacs as my main text editor, extensibility is one of its main features. Still, I don't expect I'd need to install an extension in order to be able to use "undo".

>What do you mean "need a plugin"? Windows software generally uses plugins for everything. That's what dll file are.

Dynamic libraries and plugins are absolutely not the same thing. You can implement plugins as dynamic libraries but 99% of the time DLLs have nothing to do with plugins. For instance on my machine dolphin loads 131 dynamic libraries, none of which are plugins.

>>171280535
>Because if it's worthwhile changes will be integrated upstream and the emulator will keep being maintained as a whole?
Define "worthwhile changes". Because there is a ridiculous amount of political bullshit surrounding emulator development.
>Plugins are not the issue, plugins for core functionality is. I use emacs as my main text editor, extensibility is one of its main features. Still, I don't expect I'd need to install an extension in order to be able to use "undo".
Wait a minute. That makes no sense. Why would you need to install an extension to use a critical function in an emulator? There's a reason emulators come with default plugins, just as text editors come with default plugins.
>Dynamic libraries and plugins are absolutely not the same thing. You can implement plugins as dynamic libraries but 99% of the time DLLs have nothing to do with plugins. For instance on my machine dolphin loads 131 dynamic libraries, none of which are plugins.
They're conceptually identical.

>>171280535
>Because if it's worthwhile changes will be integrated upstream and the emulator will keep being maintained as a whole?
How long did it take for the code written by the tranny for fixing glitches on IGPUs take to get merged with upstream again? A year and a half?

>>171280535
I feel like you're conflating two different issues.

One is the rather simple concept of allowing a piece of software to be expanded upon or modified using dll libraries.

The other is emulation developers intentionally shipping their emulators with shitty default plugins and forcing people to go tracking down third party ones if they want a functional piece of software.

Those are completely different issues. Project 64's woes have nothing to do with plugins and everything to do with Zilmar choosing to chase after Android and shitty low-powered PCs.

>>171280436
>GLideN64 is the future.

Until gonetz drops it.

>You mean like Play! for PS2 or the million and one GBA/GBC emulators?

You realize PCSX2, the other PS2 emulator, has a plugin interface right? Like, I don't see what you're getting at.

>If someone feels like writing a better video, audio, input, or networking plugin for PCSX2, they can run it.

And they will waste time doing 90% of what gsdx already did just so they can change the last bit and slap their name on the plugin.

It's logically impossible to have a plugin interface with a reason to be without falling into plugin hell. If gonetz's is the future, it doesn't make sense for another plugin to ever exist again and all work should be committed to it. The only reason I can think of needing another plugin would be code which is not a straight improvement but breaking something to fix something else, which lands you straight into plugin hell zone.

Zilmar could immediately replace Jabo's plugins with GLideN64 and Azimer's, and then focus on improving those plugins for the benefit of all. GLideN64 has been improving dramatically over the past year.

But he won't do that because he'd rather waste time "fixing" Glide64. Glide64 is fucking shit. Everyone abandoned it because it was so shit. VI emulation doesn't work properly. Blending doesn't work properly. Mipmapping doesn't work properly. Texture mapping doesn't work properly. The plugin's depth buffer is shit. The plugin's frame buffer is shit. It's a stagnant shitheap of a plugin. The only "improvements" made in recent years have been cut-and-pasting some blending fixes from GLideN64, while GLideN64 has been busy fixing shit like Body Harvest and Pokemon Snap and solving the fundamental issues of N64 video interface emulation.

>>171280535
>Because if it's worthwhile changes will be integrated upstream and the emulator will keep being maintained as a whole
Async shader compilation has been non existent in upstream, same for Wii motion plus emulation.

>>171281303
>If gonetz's is the future, it doesn't make sense for another plugin to ever exist again and all work should be committed to it. The only reason I can think of needing another plugin would be code which is not a straight improvement but breaking something to fix something else, which lands you straight into plugin hell zone.
You're essentially arguing in favor of monopolies. Why bother having multiple emulators? Because developers take different approaches. Having a shared plugin spec ensures interoperability, which is inherently good.

>And they will waste time doing 90% of what gsdx already did just so they can change the last bit and slap their name on the plugin.
Actually, writing a new PS2 video plugin based on Vulkan would be a good idea.
>GLideN64 is the future.
>Until gonetz drops it.
What makes you think he'll drop it? And how is this any different to any other emulation project?

>>171281359
>then focus on improving those plugins for the benefit of all
lel
you really think Zilmar knows fuck all about graphical plugin development?

>>171280774

>Wait a minute. That makes no sense. Why would you need to install an extension to use a critical function in an emulator? There's a reason emulators come with default plugins, just as text editors come with default plugins.

I remember a time when ePSXe shipped without plugins and you had to google around to find the right set (which changed pretty regularly). It wasn't pleasant.

From a user perspective why does it matter if you have "pre-packaged" plugins or built-in code? It's the same experience in the end.

>They're conceptually identical.

They're genuinely not. Like, not arguing on a technicality or anything here, shared libraries and plugins have hardly anything to do with each other. I've just compiled a "hello world" on my machine and it ends up linking with 3 shared libraries. Unless you consider the libc to be a plugin that is.

>>171280848
>>171281517

What would a plugin have changed in this situation? You'd have a new 3rd party "igpu-ready" plugin that you'd have to track down. Instead at worse you have a temporary 3rd party build of dolphin with igpu support. What's the difference?

In the end the important factor was that the code was open source so that a 3rd party dev was able to fix these issues without having to wait for the upstream devs.

>>171281024

That's fair but I argue that plugins encourage this kind of behaviour. With a monolithic emulator you either have the feature (and then there's the implicit commitment to maintaining it and porting it alongside the rest of the emulator) or you don't. With plugins you get in this in-between area where core features of the emulator are offloaded to 3rd parties which may or may not get updated alongside the core.

It's like when some videogame rely on 3rd party mods to fix basic flaws, it's always a pity when everything breaks as soon as a new version releases. Like DsFix for dark souls or basically all of kerbal space program.

>>171281517
>same for Wii motion plus emulation.
If Dolphin supported plugins, you could have plugins adding support for stuff like this, but instead you need entire emulator builds which are difficult to maintain. The entire Dolphin ecosystem is (likely intentionally) hostile towards anything that goes against the current plan for the project, and by removing plugin support, they ensured people couldn't go behind their backs and offer plugins that would add features to the emulator that they didn't want added.

>>171281602
>I remember a time when ePSXe shipped without plugins and you had to google around to find the right set (which changed pretty regularly). It wasn't pleasant.
ePSXe didn't ship with plugins and its plugins were all closed source. Completely irrelevant to 2017, when everything is open source and emulators come with default plugins.
>From a user perspective why does it matter if you have "pre-packaged" plugins or built-in code? It's the same experience in the end.
Because you can CHANGE THEM IF YOU WANT TO. For example, if you want to play Deus Ex on a modern PC, you don't have to use the shitty built-in DX or GL renders. You can download a renderer plugin for Deus Ex, or any Unreal 1 game for that matter, that runs on DX10 or modern GL instead.

If someone wrote an awesome, 100% accurate Vulkan software renderer for Dolphin, but the Dolphin team fucking hated them over some political bullshit, and they refused to merge it, wouldn't it be so much better if you could drop that render into any modern build of Dolphin as a plugin?

>>171281546
>You're essentially arguing in favor of monopolies.

Yes I fucking am, this is not about capitalism and competition encouraging lower prices and all that shit, this is about free open source software. I have exactly zero reason to want to juggle around multiple emulators for the same console because each has one game they run but the others don't.

>Actually, writing a new PS2 video plugin based on Vulkan would be a good idea.

It doesn't need to be a plugin, child. Dolphin added DX12 and vulkan support faster than anyone else and would you look at that, it's not plugin based.

>What makes you think he'll drop it?

What makes you think he'll keep working on it until the end times?

>how is this any different to any other emulation project?

There's a difference between a project run by multiple people and one guy's plugin.

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>>171282039
>There's a difference between a project run by multiple people and one guy's plugin.
How are they different? This is N64 emulation we're talking about. The list of people who understand N64 graphics emulation is pretty fucking short. GLideN64 is headed by Gonetz, but accepts contributions from anyone. How is that different to Gonetz working on "Magical N64 Emulator"'s video component?

Where do you think Cen64's renderer came from? It's Angrylion's plugin. Occasionally fixes to the plugin are ported to Cen64, just as improvements to GLupeN64 and GLideN64 are exchanged.

>>171266859
Hilariously it was at $875 yesterday and went down to $849
Meanwhile cemu devs are reaching $20k for broken skyrim zelda.

>>171282039
>It doesn't need to be a plugin, child. Dolphin added DX12 and vulkan support faster than anyone else and would you look at that, it's not plugin based.
Dolphin has backends. They're not really the same thing. The Vulkan/DX/GL renderers in Dolphin are basically the same graphics code ported to different APIs. What I'm talking about is a drastically different plugin that, for example, renders in software using Vulkan, kinda like that shitty N64 plugin that has gone nowhere. That falls completely outside the scope of what Dolphin is doing, and would likely never be merged anytime soon. But if it were a plugin... That problem would be solved. (Although to be fair Vulkan requires some emulator-side support.)

>>171282039
>I have exactly zero reason to want to juggle around multiple emulators for the same console because each has one game they run but the others don't.
So you'd rather certain games not run at all than for an emulator you don't favor to run them. Oh, wow, this is like console fanboyism taken to a whole new level.

>>171281596
Zilmar knows a little bit, but he's become obsessed with making PJ64 run on low end hardware, and doesn't care about accuracy at all.

>>171282039
>>You're essentially arguing in favor of monopolies.
>Yes I fucking am, this is not about capitalism and competition encouraging lower prices and all that shit, this is about free open source software.
The reason plugins exist was to allow competing emulators to comply with a shared standard. This is common practice in many IT industries, but for some reason gaming/emulation has a lot of people hostile to the idea. I mean, the entire reason Microsoft invented DirectX was to allow competing vendors to operate the same software. In your ideal world, there would be only one GPU vendor and only one type of GPU.

>>171281906

>Completely irrelevant to 2017, when everything is open source and emulators come with default plugins

Oh I think I've found the problem, we're living in alternate realities. That's awkward.

>Because you can CHANGE THEM IF YOU WANT TO. For example, if you want to play Deus Ex on a modern PC, you don't have to use the shitty built-in DX or GL renders. You can download a renderer plugin for Deus Ex, or any Unreal 1 game for that matter, that runs on DX10 or modern GL instead.

I don't understand what you're talking about. Deus Ex comes with a plugin based architecture? That's news to me.

The reason you can play old games on a modern PC is because Microsoft works really hard on maintaining backward compatibility. I don't really see what it has to do with emulators or plugins at all.

But anyway, we're getting further and further away from my original point which was that while modularity is generally always a good idea splitting the development of core elements across multiple teams or individual with barely any centralization leads to a terrible user experience.

Look at the linux kernel, it's extremely modular and you can easily write and load a module without having to rebuild the entire kernel. It doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of all drivers gets "upstreamed" in the main kernel repo and maintained alongside the rest. Using out-of-tree drivers is generally pretty frustrating because they end up breaking with newer version of the kernel etc...

Modularity is good, fragmentation is bad. Adding hooks to let people override defaults or extend an emulator is good, relying on 3rd party code for core functionality is bad.

>>171283681
>I don't understand what you're talking about. Deus Ex comes with a plugin based architecture? That's news to me.
Yes. It came with dll-based software, DX7, and OpenGL renders. Plus Glide, I think. People have written DX10 and modern GL renderers for the game, and for all Unreal 1 games.

>>171283681
>The reason you can play old games on a modern PC is because Microsoft works really hard on maintaining backward compatibility
top kek
you really know nothing lad
Stop posting before you embarrass yourself further.

>>171283681
>The reason you can play old games on a modern PC is because Microsoft works really hard on maintaining backward compatibility.
Aside from that time Microsoft broke DirectDraw and never fixed it, yes.
>Modularity is good, fragmentation is bad. Adding hooks to let people override defaults or extend an emulator is good, relying on 3rd party code for core functionality is bad.
You're ignoring that what constitutes "core functionality" gets bogged down in political nonsense. Also "third party" code is a thin line. Most emulators are to some degree based on someone else's code. Cen64 is largely based on HatCat's RSP plugin and Angrylion's video plugin, for example. When Angrylion's makes a fix, that fix gets ported to Cen64.

Similarly, GLupeN64 is the new standard N64 emulator for Retroarch. It's just mupen64plus and GLideN64. Some fixes made to GLupeN64 are ported to GLideN64, and almost all fixes to GLideN64 are ported to GLupeN64. There really is no problem with this arrangement.

>>171283808
>>171283997
Microsoft do deserve some credit for backwards compatibility, but they have very little interest in ensuring games are backwards compatible. Their focus is business software. That's why DirectDraw emulation was fucked and then never unfucked. Also why they can't be bothered adding fundamental features like letting us set core affinity for programs in the compatibility menu.

>>171284072
>Microsoft do deserve some credit for backwards compatibility
You don't give credit to people who are actively fucking something up

I really don't see how N64 emulation is "fragmented". There are literally two video plugins that matter. Angrylion's and GLideN64. And there is nothing preventing Angrylion's being merged into GLideN64 as a software rendering fallback. Audio? Azimer's is the only plugin worth a darn. Input? N-Rage. RSP? Toss up between PJ64's recompiler and HatCat's RSP interpreter.

The only real problem is that N64 emudevs tend to be really slow and really fucking incompetent and people react poorly to being told that a game doesn't work, so they run off and use an old plugin instead.

>>171284072
There is still a massive difference between "working really hard" and "don't care"

>>171284457
Microsoft is a company where you will get a stern talking to if you fix bugs that weren't assigned to you. They don't actually have proper testers anymore.

>>171283785

Ah, I see what you mean. But still, that only matters because the game is closed source. Look at Doom or Quake, nobody bothers doing any of that, they just port the engine directly.

>>171283808

Waiting for your counter argument. Microsoft's commitment to backward compatibility is well known since it's one of the selling points of Windows. You can still run the original Deus Ex without any "plugins" on a modern computer. I doubt you can run Mac games of that era on a modern computer (and not only because of the ppc->x86 switch).

>>171283997

I agree with what you say but that's really beyond the topic of plugins. Being able to cherry pick code from various implementations and merge them as suits you has everything to do with open source code and not much to do with plugins.

>>171284192

>I really don't see how N64 emulation is "fragmented".

And then you go on to list a bunch of plugins maintained by a bunch of different people. That's fragmentation.

>And there is nothing preventing Angrylion's being merged into GLideN64 as a software rendering fallback

Because they're open source, yes. Again, this has nothing to do with plugins.

>>171284457

You're really the one talking out of your ass. Look for the multitude of stories of Microsoft adding a bunch of hacks to newer versions of Windows to accommodate old buggy software that used private APIs or relied on undocumented behaviour. They most certainly do care about backward compatibility.

>>171284616
>You can still run the original Deus Ex without any "plugins" on a modern computer
Not on windows 10

>>171284668

Eh, I actually considered mentioning that I didn't try with Windows 10 but I assumed it'd still work. What's the problem exactly? I don't see anybody mentioning any issues on the steam version of the game at least, but maybe it got patched.

>>171284616
>They most certainly do care about backward compatibility.
Age of Empires 2, a game published and marketed by Microsoft, doesn't work on Windows 10 without 3rd party fixes. This isn't even counting the completely gutted DOS support
Theres your counter argument. Its pretty obvious you don't actually play games on windows.

>>171284767
>I don't see anybody mentioning any issues on the steam version of the game at least
https://steamcommunity.com/app/6910/discussions/0/535152511365816959/
Are you fucking blind or something?

>>171284775

>A game released 18 years ago and which has a remastered edition released 4 years ago doesn't work on the latest version of the operating system, clearly they don't give a single fuck about backward compatibility.


Find me a single other platform where you'd actually expect to be able to run decade old software out of the box. You've been spoiled by MS's commitment to backward compatibility all these years and now you take it for granted.

>>171284874

Right, I found some by digging a bit, but while some people say it's broken others say it works just fine: https://steamcommunity.com/app/238010/discussions/0/541907675762397228/

>>171284616
>And then you go on to list a bunch of plugins maintained by a bunch of different people. That's fragmentation.
Wait a minute. How is it fragmentation if these plugins are forked directly into emulator projects? For example, how is it fragmentation if PJ64 were to adopt GLideN64 and Azimer's as its default (and only included) audio and video plugins? Of course they're maintained by different people. It doesn't matter whether your emulator uses plugins or not. Certain key functions will be the domain of the small handful of people who actually understand them. If you write a brand spanking new N64 emulator with no plugins, there will be an "N64 video guy" who ends up handling 99% of all N64 video emulation work. That can't be avoided because of how few people on this planet understand N64 video emulation.
>>And there is nothing preventing Angrylion's being merged into GLideN64 as a software rendering fallback
>Because they're open source, yes. Again, this has nothing to do with plugins.
It has everything to do with plugins. There is literally nothing stopping the only two N64 plugins that matter being merged into a single plugin. You talk about "fragmentation", but it literally boils down to people being too lazy to merge Angrylion's into GLideN64.

>>171279929
Ishiruka is still going strong.

>>171285350
>Ishiruka is still going strong.
It ended up being incredibly obscure.

>>171285172
>Find me a single other platform where you'd actually expect to be able to run decade old software out of the box
Nice goalpost moving faggot
Are you actually getting paid to defend Microshit?
Heres another example
Windows 10 no longer supports discs that used Securom, this means any original discs you had of games which did use it are now trash. That includes games like Oblivion, Chronicles of Riddick, Fallout 3, Red Alert 3, Far Cry 2 and so on

>You've been spoiled by MS's commitment to backward compatibility all these years and now you take it for granted.
Go fuck yourself microshill.
Commitment to backward compatibility so important that they released the abomination known as GFWL.

>>171285191

It matters for the devs and it matters for code quality.

If everything is maintained as a single codebase then if somebody decides to change some API somewhere that impacts some other parts of the emulator they can do it at once instead of having to release their code and then either go and patch 3rd party codebases or convince their devs to do the work.

If you want to port the emulator to a new platform you can do it all at once. Etc...

Again, I think the linux kernel is a good example of what I'm talking about, people are forking it constantly but in general they end up upstreaming anything worthwhile instead of maintaining a fork.

If you want to hack an emulator is a lot nicer to have a single coherent codebase rather than multiple repositories with different coding styles and a bit of reinventing the wheel.

That's of course assuming that the maintainer of the emulator are serious about reviewing contributions and enforcing code quality, which is not always the case unfortunately.

>>171285489

I'm typing this from linux which has been my main operating system for more than a decade and I'm a linux dev for a living. Actually it's because I work a lot with other operating systems that I find Microsoft commitment to backward compatibility noteworthy. But as others mentioned they mostly care about corporate software, not videogames. Still, we did get decent backward compat for videogames as a side effect of that. You should also work on these anger issues or get a trip so that I can filter you ;)

>>171285758
>You should also work on these anger issues or get a trip so that I can filter you :)
>>:)
Man you are so mad
Did my post actually cost you your 0.01$ deposit?

>>171285758
>I'm typing this from linux which has been my main operating system for more than a decade and I'm a linux dev for a living
So you haven't actually used Windows for a decade but still decide to argue in favor of it despite knowing nothing?
What else do you do? Argue about the magical wonders of authoritarian communism while living in America your whole life?

>>171285960

I have a windows 10 install that I use only for games. I do play a lot of older games and haven't had much of an issue so far. For instance I've been playing through vampire the masquerade and the witcher lately without any significant issues. I can't remember what's the last pre-2005 game I've played though. Maybe Diablo II? But I think that was on Windows 7.

>>171285858

That's not the smiley I used, please don't fake quote me.

>>171286102
>I do play a lot of older games and haven't had much of an issue so far
Yeah right I'll believe you despite plenty evidence to the contrary presented in this very thread.

>>171286427

To be fair I tend to use the GoG/Steam versions of games when available (even if I have the discs, I don't have a disc drive anymore) so it might explain why I fare better than others.

But the original point was about Deus Ex and plugins and I maintain that being able to run Deus Ex or any game from that era on modern computers has nothing to do with plugins. But I think this discussion has been going on for too long and we're not going to change our minds, let's leave it at that.

Let's post turtle memes instead, it's more fun.

Ayyyy

I was thinken of buying PS3 but recently i heard that there is some emulator that can run DEMON SOULS???

>>171291656

Not decently, no. Maybe in a year or two.

>>171291924
Ooh. guess im still buying PS3. Thank you, anon.

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>mfw someone says it's wrong to download the ISOs instead of just ripping from your disc

>>171292047
>husky puppeh's like, "PET ME MOOOOOOORE!"

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>>171292047
It is wrong and you should feel bad any anon who downloads the game files to emulate instead of buying the game then ripping the files is cancer and is the reason why we have DRM on modern games now

>>171292334
>is the reason why we have DRM on modern games now
good goy

>>171292047
It's also wrong to buy games used. It's literally the same as piracy.

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>>171286694
>But the original point was about Deus Ex and plugins and I maintain that being able to run Deus Ex or any game from that era on modern computers has nothing to do with plugins.
The game has a seperate dll for every renderer and you select them from a menu. But first you download said dll file from a website and then place it in the Deus Ex folder. How is that not a plugin? How does running Deus Ex on a modern PC have nothing to do with plugins?