Shadowverse is a free-to-play class-based CCG.
Official Website:
https://shadowverse.com/
New expansion "Tempest of the Gods":
https://shadowverse.com/cardpack/tempestofthegods/
Current revealed cards:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jfOwl01oC0Xw7Jowun6LBK_01qzmpauM6yN7VhYlefc/edit#gid=384699390
Useful Links: http://pastebin.com/SZNKYEMi
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>>170620761
SUGOI MAHOU
[autistic screeching intensifies]
DINGDONG
>mfw free packs
nth for chubby Monika.
>>170646156
Please do not lewd my wife, thank you.
>>170646113
Hey, you got 2 feenas.
That's 400 vials bud.
>>170646162
In what country is this chubby?
Nigeria?
>>170646162
u
What's the release date for Tempest of the Gods?
>>170646156
Please do not lewd my mommy, thank you.
42756 need 4, im passing
>>170646156
Please do not lewd my daughter, thank you
OMG!! SO FUNNY!!
AHAHAH
>>170645780
Thank you JD, 14 more!
>>170646289
no one knows
>>170646382
>>170646310
>>170646196
Family reunion?
>>170646412
That guy's comics are painfully unfunny
Would you buy a Clarisse Runecraft leader?
>>170646412
LOL!
>>170646412
/svg/ blown the fuck out
>>170646564
Yes.
>>170646205
Nothing personnel, kid.
>>170646412
How will shadowbabs recover?
>>170646564
A million times yes.
>>170646564
Yes.
I'd buy crystals to do it if it was crystal-only and I've never bought crystals before.
>Sword vs Sword in T2, opponent is masters
>going horribly, I'm running out of shit to play
>went first, had less evolves than him so at this point in the game (turn 7-8) can't do shit to deal with new followers that he plays
>my castle in the memes went up in flames because it triggered while nothing was on the board because he wiped it clean
>my only card on hand is a Cyclone Blade
>TOPDECK A BAHAMUT TURN 10
>kill his field with the Bahamut
>he floods board with everything he has, 4 followers, to stop my Bahamut from going face (he has 17 HP, I have 7)
>cyclone blade off of my Bahamut and kill his entire board, go face with it
>now he's at 4HP and I'm at 7
>he floods board again with 3 more followers (one enhanced Jeno, one being that 3/1 sword bitch and something else which I think was a 2/2)
>hits my Bahamut with his Jeno to spawn 2 Knights through its Last Words
>I topdeck an Angel of the Word, use its fanfare to kill his 3/1
>then play a Sage Commander
>run my Bahamut into his 2/2, now he only has 2 more Knights left on the field with me having 7 HP
>he concedes
Never concede, always believe in the heart of the cards (topdeck)
i want to strangle luna
>>170646412
>>170646594
It's really like I'm back in /d2g/
>>170646564
Who is she
All you cucks in the last threads making fun of dragon now just like you how you called Sword dead because Otohime became shit and look what happened. Just you guys watch dragon is going to be the new cancer and you guys will be crying for the days of Albert and the Roach
>>170646898
Clarisse
>svg says roach is the problem and goblin mage nerf will mean nothing
>forest plummeted to 9% playrate
why are you always wrong svg?
>>170646564
I'd love to have Charlotta as a Swordcraft leader.
>>170646459
Thanks Nik, 13 more!
>>170646924
I would switch sword and forest around.
>Start first
>Lose
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
>>170646412
Nobody bothered reading the commentary?
Although comic can be argued to be bad if you need to read page-long commentary to get it.
>>170646890
>lucifer
>not otking havencucks at 20 health
>>170646668
the eternal cancer that will forever plague /gbfg/
>>170646924
I hope the egg will help
>>170647005
>roach is the problem
That is correct
>goblin mage nerf will mean nothing
Nobody said that, only Forestfags in denial
I have a confession to make /svg/
I fapped to Luna, I'm so sorry
>>170646924
Okay, except sword got Albert.
Will dragon get a Albert-esque card? Does the new 2/3 ward count since it's a JO finisher? If he does, then I'd like to see more support for JO before I agree with you.
>>170647246
https://exhentai.org/g/1019105/1506024e1c/
?
>>170647246
kys
>>170647290
DELETE THIS
>>170647030
Thanks Aaaa, 12 more
What is the point of cblood? Congratulations on yet again dragging the game out to turn 20. What are you going to do now?
>>170647246
It's okay, I'm not going to judge you.
However you not allowed anywhere near my daughter.
>>170647338
>>170647246
>not fapping to Luna and Vampy on a daily basis
>>170647290
>Preggo Luna at the end
>>170647450
Luna is for pure love, not for lewd
How autistic is it to go into the elite 2 practice to test my new decks before i take them into unranked because I dont want some random nip to think I suck in unranked?
>>170647549
>sex can't be out of pure love
?
#shitvirginssay
>>170647521
>sword is dead
???
Sword is the new cancer, everyone knows that already. It was never dead.
>>170647549
pls stop, you are a despicable human being, no one needs to know how fucked up you are.
>>170647687
Did you actually open the picture or just look at the filename and instantly sperg out
>the enemy topdeck the card that he needed to win
>>170647781
Yes. Your point?
>>170647890
My point is that you missed the point of his post.
>maxed out collection
>can't use vials for creating animated cards
They should give me a way to waste vials on something.
>>170647058
Sword takes more skill then Roach desu. In sword you have to decide when is the best time to save your evo points for Albert and if you evo face on the wrong turn you can be punished. Roach is literally just knowing how to fucking count. Not even hard in the slightest.
>>170647890
Are you a new user here?
>>170647997
>user
>>170647450
>have to decide between lewd dragons, lewd cerberus or lewd lolis when I fap, because I can't fap all day long.
IT'S NOT FAIR
>>170647984
>Sword takes more skill then Roach
>>170647939
Not him but what the point beside sword being cancer?
How does this make you feel?
>>170647687
very early on in RoB when Daria was wreaking havoc some were saying sword was dead since their t1 deck at the time: midrange was heavily affected by the meta changes
While others said they would just speed things up.
Holy shit this game is generous, I just started playing 2 weeks ago, from free packs first I got Nephthys and now this. Now I'm officially cancer
>>170647939
Then explain what the point of his post is. I just see a retard that, for some reason, thought that Sword was ever said to be dead pointing to its absurd current numbers as if to dismiss a point that was never made.
>>170647351
Anyone?
>>170648167
Is there anything more obnoxious than people who wait for you to concede right before they do the finishing attack?Ive started doing it too.
>>170648301
Lost.
>>170648167
That IS the point.
But anon didn't get that and thought that the filename was serious and not a joke making fun of people that say that kind of shit.
>>170648272
>I just see a retard that
Yeah, same. But only when looking at your posts.
Can this game please stop trying to tilt me I just want to get to Masters I'm so close stop giving me a perfect curve opening hand only for the opponent to disconnect and then the very next game I actually play I get GARBAGE early game against DSHIFT who has all three evos on Merlins and a Levi FUCK YOU
Describe Shadowverse in 5 words or less.
>>170648263
That was over 2 months ago. Also, just a few days after RoB's release, people had already moved to Control Sword.
>>170646924
fixed
Watch shadowverse channeru
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNDnJZvv9-M
>Only rolling packs for Nep Emblem
>Randomly decide to try rolling with my extra crystals
Finally, crystal draws confirmed to break desire sensor. Now I can start saving for the expansion.
>>170646478
please sit on my face
>>170648263
I remember seeing posts saying that the meta would remain the same for another 3 months. I don't remember seeing a significant amount of people saying that Sword was dead.
>>170648410
Fairies with big titties.
>>170648410
WASHI WASHI MAHOU KOROSHIWASHI WAI!!!
Today's packs. Today is a good day.
>>170648315
Thanks moonrunes-kun, 11 more!
>>170648478
Isn't this just a radio show but they animated it
>>170646412
I disagree.The art style is nowhere near as shitty in the actual game
>>170648671
he said words not gibberish
Post actual best girls.
>>170648883
Thats not Nep
>>170648410
Sky Knights prepare for battle!
>>170648883
I was going to say you start but you actually did.
>>170648967
He said best girlS, not best girl.
Instead of getting defensive you should've just posted Neph.
35249
Please help me with my daily.
>>170648431
Bretty good. Only switch places with Shadow and sword and its good.
>>170646412
Reminder
>>170648410
I LIVE BY THE SWORD
>>170648951
She's pretty cute yeah
>tfw you cuck rune out of masters
Feels good man.
Need a concede for daily mission. Reply before starting if you want to trade wins or still need the private match achievement.
95415
Can someone please concede 93923
>new cards revealed
>don't feel like playing anymore because I want to try out the new cards
what do
>>170648410
The face is the place
>>170648746
Thanks Bbbb, room is open again
>>170649434
Need a concede for my daily
81623
>>170649521
Go do something else?
It's not like Shadowverse is the only thing in your life
Friendly reminder that sword is the pet class and the sword bias is real
>>170648410
Stabilize on eight, win game
>>170649309
>>170649482
Thank you blood guy.
>>170649670
What did he mean by this?
I'm new around here. I'm legally autistic, I have relatively shit taste, and I really love memes
What kind of deck should I play?
>today we get the neutral legend officially revealed
>no news on dragon and forest ever
>>170650093
Dragoncraft.
>>170650093
Any Dragon deck besides Ramp.
>>170650093
Nep
>>170650093
Dragon
That feel when you get two legendaries in a single pack that you received for free
>>170650093
Dragon for sure
>>170650164
21:13:59
>>170650165
21:13:59
>dragoncraft
Now you have to play dragoncraft.
>>170650093
Dragoncraft
>>170650093
>autistic
>loves memes
Dragon is for you.
>>170650351
Ilin HS weare geting 5 legedary fro fre packs.
HS>SV
Sadwbjsbjs
>>170650164
>>170650165
>>170650201
>>170650360
>>170650394
>>170650459
>>170650573
Btw do anyone knows what is the highest amount of rupies you can get from dailies?
>>170650835
I think 60
>Get two dragon flute things
>mfw?
Is it a good legendary? I don't play dragon often
>>170650835
50+50+60
>>170650895
When playing dragon there is a deck for every card.
>>170650563
>posting a meme
You're just reinforcing their statement.
All those jokes about discard, JO Wizard Rowen, overfeel, general Rowen faces and eggs, you Dragoncucks are loving this shit. You probably won't even know what to do with yourselves if Dragon ever stops being a meme.
>>170650895
vial juice, overflow gate reduces its value by alot.
what did he mean by this?
>>170650895
No but ill still wait until they reveal the new ToG dragon legendary and gold cards.
>>170649638
Room is open
>>170650093
shadow is the designated autism class, its perfect for someone with shit taste such as yourself
dragon is also available if you love memes but you will get bored of losing eventually
>>170651062
>he expects the Dragon legos not to be more memes
Expect a Megalorca lego and a Discard lego.
Need a concede for daily.
45550
>>170651056
Everyone makes mistakes, Earlier I overlooked art of the ninja having an 8 enhance and summoning a ninja i didnt expect and using 8 pp i didnt expect.Im always blazed when I play though so i have an excuse
>people memeing about dragon
Neutral Ramp will be tier 1.
>>170651020
>JO Wizard Rowen
>meme
This expac will change things
I CAN FEEL IT.
>>170651176
I unironically want another discard legendary that synergize with dragon. Or just a legendary ward to stop aggro early game.
>>170651176
Megalorcas will save dragoncraft.
>>170651269
thanks Vampy!
>lyrial actual has tits
Fucking ruined.
>>170651312
DISCARD DRAGON WILL DOMINATE
Just noticed Valhallan General is voiced by Dio's VA. Fangblade Slayer also sounds like Johnny's game voice but not sure about that.
>>170651639
shit taste
>>170651376
>cant bahamut a 3 JO board before grimnir because of ramp advantage
it will be the best dragon deck
>>170651695
Yeah just noticed forte is voiced by zinitra too.
Sounds cute.
>>170651695
Lucius Goblin slayer is also voiced by Koyasu.
>>170651639
>our boss works us to the bone
What did she mean by this?
>>170651639
Fuck off, paedo
>>170651695
Fangblade/Veight/Craig are voiced by Kaji Yuuki/ Eren SnK.
>>170652004
she's upset your forcing her to fight skeletons and shit when she's just a little girl. kind of a dick move on your part desu senpai
>"nerf" rune
>stays t1
>another rune deck also becomes t1
well done cygames
>>170652025
>paedo
Kill yourself retard, it's pedo.
People that write pedo with an extra a legit have extra chromosomes. Fuck you.
>b-b-but both are right
Fuck off idiot. The version without the a is obviously the more commonly used one, and the one you'll actually find in a dictionary.
Fucking subhuman brits and their useless extra letters.
>>170651639
>
What the fuck
>>170652228
Autism
>>170652267
Dirt PtP is very strong
>>170652267
rune does ptp better than forest now because all of forests tools have been nerfed
>>170652228
Fuck off, yank
need a concede 25635
>>170652181
They need to nerf levi but won't because it would make earth rite unplayable
And Cygames won't admit they made a terrible mistake creating that mechanic and not creating a separate class for it.
>>170652004
kys dubcuck
>>170652267
>he fell for the cblood meme
>>170652483
Thanks, banpaia no oji-san
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>170652856
Khawy having only 4 attack is the real nutzo part of that card.
>>170652856
Just hit the other zombie ward and skip your turn.
why do people hate beautiful pure vampy-chan so much
Bloodcraft has vengeance
Dragoncraft has overflow
Forestcraft has faeries and combo
Runecraft has spellboost and earthrite
Shadowcraft has shadows
Havencraft has ???
>>170652856
Based khawy, saved my ass so many times.
>Up against Aggro bats
>They already used one Dance of Death
>Fuck it, use Bloody Mary to trade with the single evolved follower he left after trading with my shit, I'll never survive long enough to combo anyway
>After a long pause, he decides to call my bluff and goes face with Imp Lancer
>mfw Dire Bond, Dire Wolf, Wraith and hit face with Bloody Mary for 18 damage
Sorry bloodkin, but big risk big reward sometimes.
>>170653073
Removal
>>170653073
>Havencraft has ???
banish and timer amulets
>>170653073
Suspend-esque Countdown amulets
>>170653073
low cost summons in the form of amulets, the trade off is they come a few turns later but havencraft has tools to reduce the countdowns.
>>170645954
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>>170653245
Which aren't even mechanics exclusive to the class.
>>170653073
Timer amulets and heals, it says so in the in-game class description.
>>170652856
I'm taking you with me!
>>170653131
>running bloody mary with wraith
Hmm midrange or weird ass control deck
>>170652856
Give khawy bane and can't attack the enemy leader effects, there I fixed him :^)
>>170653335
How many instances of downtown amulets gives a benefit when it gets destroyed outside Haven? I can't think of anything besides Castle in the Sky and that shit meme certainly doesn't count.
>>170653389
Midrange.
>>170653131
>Dire Wolf
>no new keywords in tog
>>170653335
Followers and buffing aren't exclusive to Sword either. Countdown amulets summoning and removing followers is still exclusive to Haven too.
>tfw they don't have odin
He didn't want to bahamut when I had one amulet+leo, ended up going with saha+bahamut, poor guy.
>>170646310
what's so lewd about liking the new packs... and enjoying some yogurt
>>170653676
Sword's class trait is commander/officer not buffing
Also Juno's amulet summons followers
>>170653671
They've pretty much abandoned Clash too. I forgot Thief even existed until someone tried to meme on me with PtP Sword today.
>>170653131
>mooooom, i have just won vs the deck i counter!
>>170653992
I wish they'd used clash on more sword cards, it seems like a really interesting mechanism to explore.
Such as generating knights and heavy knights.
>>170653992
who they?
they introduced clash only in rob
also veight is very popular
>another day of 7 bronze/1 silver packs
End me.
Looking for someone to play full matches with for the achievement, gonna play suicide vampire.
20456
I just got defeated by someone running an albert deck in unranked. In unranked, He had 3 alberts.
>>170654294
You deserved it for clicking on that one reddit link anon posted earlier
>>170654660
I have a friend who is D0 and only plays unranked, even with having t1 decks.
>>170654064
It's not about what you beat it's about how you beat it.
>>170654660
I have two saber strike mans
I only use it because apparently you need to stack legendaries to win.
>>170654660SKYNIGHTS PREPARE FOR BATTLE
I didn't know you could duplicate your card when pulling
>>170654257
>reading comprehension
dumb ESL shitposter
>>170654913
Do you feel the despair?
>>170654913
You should stack those legendary cards too
>>170653073
Themis
I lost...
>>170647950
they should give us alternate leader outfits already
>Literally 1600 points on the dot to Masters
I'm going to throw up.
The ladder anxiety is real.
>>170654761
How the fuck does he get his monthly rewards?
>>170654913
I was just about to shit on you, but since i just pulled a lego myself i'll let you off the hook.
Thank you Dragonbros you are the only reason why I am able to complete missions in Unranked these days with all these Dariashitters and Albertshitters, seriously fuck off with your meta decks from Unranked some people are trying to complete their stupid missions.
>>170655059
SAVE CONTROL BLOOD FOR NEXT EXPANSION
>>170655193
WOW
ITS FUCKING NOTHING
>>170654913
Begone, Satan
>>170654856
except you don't
thebest sword deck works with only 3 alberts just nice, tsubaki isnt a core
tempo rune needs only 3 daria, aggro shadow and most versions of nep only 3 leggo each, otk roach that ruled supreme before the nerf needed only 3 ancient elves etc
aggro blood is pretty decent and needs no leggos
What's with all these control shadows on ladder?And why do they keep feeding my seraph wins?
>>170655059
>turn 31
How horrifying
Who else /not allowed to pull the nerfed cards/ here?
>>170655193
>Lose half your health
>For two cards and a 4/4
At least give her five health all the 4 drop turn 2 evos can trade with her and live
>>170655238
>turn 5 Diabolic drain + wardrobe raider is nothing
>>170655238
Bloody Mary OTK
>>170655193
Why would you take this over Soul Dealer?
>>170655193
Amazing
Blood always had huge problems drawing cards this will finally fix it!
>>170655238
it's a card that can let you lose the game faster
Alright, anons. Poll time. Do you use cyclone blade in your control sword decks?
>>170655285
I was gonna deck out next turn, had to put satan or die, then she dropped albert and got me from 19 to 9
killed me off next turn
>>170655393
so it's a 4pp do something?
>>170655305
Turn 2 Spider imp (18 health)
Turn 3 Dire Bond (12 health)
Turn 4 belphegor (10 health)
It sets up for some cheap diabolic drains if you're not dead on turn 5.
>>170655334
Because soul dealer will drop your health to 5 if you play it with 10 health
>>170655442
Yes.
>>170655442
Just 1, 2 if you run hamsa
>>170655589
>>170655596
What do you take out to run it?
>make sword deck
>vomit hand
>still lose
It's not as easy as you guys said it would be.
>>170654952
you are dumb
how the fuck could "they" abandon a mechanic they introduced it in rise of bahamut and the new extension isn't even half-revealed? what should they even do for it exactly? on top of that one of the few clash cards which we have is very popular (not due to clash but still)
i think you decrease the average iq of this thread by about 10
>>170655442
Yes. All 3 of them.
I fucking hate everything.
>Turn 5 summon Albert
>Evolve Albert
nice try bloodbabs.
>>170655697
>Latham leader
no shit you lost
>>170655775
I fucking hate you anon
>>170655631
Show us your list.
>>170655442
Cyclone Blade + Leonidas against a full field, best troll move ever.
>>170655631
albert
all three
>>170655442
Yes, duh.
Saber + Cyclone blade is the ultimate comeback move against Darias.
>>170656051
If you want me to give you free wins on ladder I can just play dragon, 90% of my games are on it anyway
>>170656051
Daria really spellboost my dick
>>170656115
>Albert isnt even fucking cute
>>170656115
>Albert
>Not cute
Excuse you, fag.
>>170655193
why cygames hate blood so much?
>>170655941
Feel free to make other suggestions too, I noticed a lot of people on ladder are using amelia, maybe I should consider it
Has Cygames cracked down at all on visual mods? I want to put my own cardbacks into the game.
Heathcuck here, downloading the game now
Do you guys have any pointers for a noob besides the google doc? Would it be a bad idea to go for a dragoncraft or havencraft deck first? And how long does it take to assemble one to two 'complete' decks as F2P? I'd like to get my feet wet and see how much I stick with the game before doing any IAP
Also do people find themselves rerolling a lot while starting off? Should I download it on my tablet first to do the tutorial and reroll?
>>170656287
heh, I get it
>>170655442
No, I dropped it after Daria started being less common on ladder. It's a shit card, the only reason CSword plays it is because they don't have better board clear. I honestly don't miss it at all, even when I get matched against Daria.
How will this deck fare against the sword (((problem)))?
>>170656525
I've noticed it do work when I play against other control swords (i.e they use it to decimate me and I can't return the favor)
>>170656398
Do any of the games you get to turn 10 with actually pan out because you have, bahamut, PoD and olivia? Seems abit excessive for a deck that should win most games by turn 8
>>170656324
Honestly I can see how punishing people for getting closer to a win condition (putting the opponent close to zero) can feel devastating for a player.
When they nerfed Molten Giant they used the same logic, the players were all whining that they lost because they put the opponent close to zero and got punished for it. And Blood is the Molten Giant but for the entire class so I could see why they'd be cautious about making Vengeance too strong.
>>170652438
Destroyed*
Piercing rune was nerfed to be less good. All of the Forest nerfs have made them unplayable.
THANKS FOR 8 MILLION DOWNLOADS GUYS!
>>170656447
Here's a suggestion: make an account to fuck around, learn the basics and experiment some shit.
Then decide what you're going to run as first deck and reroll for that.
>>170656436
there was this issue with people changing the game to japanese and running idol sleeves
but only if you stream
I think they're a bit more easy about it now
>>170656591
Bahamut no, not yet, PoD yes, several control games I won only because of him. Olivia too.
>>170656636
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>170656447
you will have a lot of free packs and gold so it's up to you if you want to reroll, a waste of time imohaven stormis funny and cheap
>>170656447
I started 6 days ago, you can make a strong blood aggro list for pretty cheap (In terms of vials). I'd recommend rerolling a little bit if just for legendaries to liquefy
>>170656447
don't play take two until you know what your doing
save your tickets
>>170656447
rerolling is quite good
I finally got my Nep Emblem, now I can spend all of my gold on the next expansion without feeling bad about it.
>>170656398
Take out one whole-souled swing and one healing angel or novice trooper, whichever you prefer.
There you go.
>>170656447
When I was new to the game, I felt like Dragon was pretty easy to understand and use on a base level, as it's mostly playing one card at a time and doesn't deviate much from how the game describes the class. I found Haven fairly frustrating because it's a slow and plodding control class that requires you to have good knowledge of the card pool and popular decks to even play on a base level.
That said, I'm just one guy; I went in with Rune and picked up Forest since I lucked into the cards. I've got decks from every class now, in some case multiples.
What if Bahamut had Rush?
>>170656447
see >>170656568
also i'd wait with vialing cards until there's something you want. you can get by with just the card pool you pull from packs and you can afford to be quite adventurous in the low ranks.
but ultimately i suggest you put your resources into a tier 1 or tier 2 deck, because climbing will get hard eventurally.
>>170657026
Thanks anon, I'll give it a shot
>>170657057
*storm
>>170657057
What if Bahamut had Storm?
>>170657015
there's no neptune emblem.
>>170656447
Download an emulator, set up a rerolling script.
Don't listen to anons who say it isn't worth it. A good reroll can save you weeks/months of grinding if you have a specific deck you want to play.
>>170646412
i dont understand
>>170657057
t. zell
>>170657057
What if bahamut had storm bane ward and last words: summon bahamut
>>170657212
Well there should be one
>>170656115
Albert is pretty cute.
>>170657354
garbage t10 do nothing
>>170656398
Drop 1 Swing, 1 Frontguard, Satan, Avant.
Consider a second Fanblade, 1-2 more Aurelias, 2 Amelias, 2-3 Maid Leader.
Consider Blitz over Ruthless.
Bahamut, 3 Healing Angles, 3 Jenos and 3 Alwida's aren't particularly necessary, so you can drop one of each if you feel like you need more space, but they aren't bad ratios either. If it's working for you, it's fine. Bahamut is worth keeping if you don't play Cyclone Blade.
>>170656568
>>170656640
>>170656838
>>170656846
>>170656936
>>170656984
>>170657046
>>170657086
Thanks for the heads up bros. I'm just gonna fuck around on the mobile version first so if I feel like the stuff I got is good I can keep or reroll. No idea what take two is but I won't spend tickets/vials until I read around some more and can grasp the terminology better. Since I don't know jack shit about the card pool to pilot control decks Dragon sounds good but I'll see once I do the tutorial (I assume it lets you try each class/craft).
>>170657227
Yeah I know how much rerolling can change the game from playing PAD. I'll consider the emulator. thanks
>>170657354
What if Bahamut was a cute anime girl?
>>170657526
>Consider Blitz over Ruthless.
You're gonna have to sell me on this one. Why is a 3/2 rush better than possible 1 hit kills on a variety of super dangerous threats or wards
Thanks for the rest
D-Shift players, everyone.
>everyone asks me how I got dorothy sleeves
>tournament commentator awes about them too
Is this how being popular feels like?
>Tsubaki attacks
>"Vanish, like the jew"
what
>>170657769
kys dubcuckShe says dew.
>>170657745
does that reddit tournament started yet
>>170657681
>making fun of evolved Ice Golem
>when he has an evolved Attendant on the field
>which might even have been fine had you gone second, but you went 1st so you only have 2 evolves and you still wasted one of them on a fucking attendant
>>170657553
yeah you can play all crafts
dragon is good in the early ranks, but sword is just as good and stays good later on.
it's the class with the highest win rate right now and has never been a bad choice to climb ladder with
have fun
>>170657769
She doesn't like Shadow players.
She thinks the Banishoclaust never happened.
Need a concede, thanks.
41822
>>170657745
What tournament?
>>170657553
Take Two is the only Arena mode at present. You pay 150 rupies (or cash in a Take Two ticket), pick one of the three classes presented to you, then build a 30 card deck over 15 choices of one pair of cards vs. another. Once the deck is assembled you play up to 5 matches against other Take Two players, and you get rewarded based on how many wins you managed.
The rewards will always feature 1 Standard Pack + X amount of Rupies and/or Vials, where X scales up based on overall performance. A 4-1 run is usually worth 1 pack 120 rupies. 5-0s can get up to 2 packs and 200 rupies (though they're usually 1 pack and 250 or some variant thereof).
>>170657580
Underrated post.
>>170657769
>killed enemy priesm priestess
>"to the loo !"
????
is crazed executioner + dark general a meme or an actually usable aggro blood?
>>170657553
T2 = Arena
Open a private match room, put your user name in the 4chan post name field, make sure your sound is on and you can hear it then post the match id Play 20 private matches without conceding to get 2000 gold
Play the story mode for free cards and experience with each deck
Beat the practice match elite difficult AI for each leader for 2800 gold total
Look up budget deck lists and look over what you have and put together some crapass deck and play some ranked to get your dick wet
Play your take 2 arena tickets out for ~14 packs
From here it depends If you reliably went 3 wins 2 losses in arena, you'll want to turn your gold into arena tickets to get +50-100% more of your value Keep updating a deck for each leader as you unpack cards and do every daily Turn that gold into more tickets Log in daily for the login reward You should be getting 10-20 packs a weeks Buy some DE and a few Baha packs at some point If you want, save up some gold for the Bahamut ticket arena reward event at some point to rake in and clear out the cards you need from that set If you can't reliably 3-2, do NOT buy tickets You'll just piss away your dosh and time. Or just buy straight packs cause you hate yourself
Don't liquefy your cards in general Between your welfare packs and the ez grab packs followed by all the added tickets and packs from getting 3-5 wins per ticket you'll have enough for about 4 budget decks from liquefy extras that you glue together with golds and silvers to do ranked Every week between cheevos, levelups, score rewards, dailies, and winning arena to double your money to buy more tickets you'll get about 10-20 packs a week Within a month you can play knockoffs of about 12-ish decks and have most of a couple good decks on rng Once you fill out most of your card pool the vials will start pouring in from the extras From that experience you'll know what you want be able to craft from your liquefied extras while still being able to play a bunch of budgets
>>170657880
>>170658008
I'm talking about a previous experience, nothing is going on right now as far as I know.
>>170657914
Not him but are you stupid? He's playing against dshift. You want to deal as much damage as fast as possible and evolving the attendant would force the dshift player to kill it giving you a lich in return.
>>170657675
Blitz doesn't require a commander out to be used. She clears Yurius and most other 1/Xs without dying. She also instantly answers Clarke, Healing Angel and Imprisoned Dragon.
You already have a lot of hard removal as well.
Btw, I said "consider", if you feel like Ruthless is working better for you, keep it, but give Blitz a try.
>>170658148
Or you could evolve literally anything else and not have your evolve point go to waste on literally "kill me" bait
>>170657983
Thank you!
>win 1 Forestcraft daily
>2 games of nothing but low curve and 0 roaches
>1 game of nothing but high curve and roaches
>reroll daily
>>170658320
Anything that you evolve would become removal bait. Attendant at least would give you a Lich in case they killed it, retard.
>>170658171
Fair enough, thanks for the advice
>>170658415
>literally trying to justify evolving a 1/1
No matter the mental gymnastics that you try to do, you'll still be B0
>>170657940
sword sounds pretty gud then. I'll check it out
>>170658031
gotcha, thanks
>>170658090
Man thanks for the comprehensive breakdown. Seems like this game just shits out welfare gold and packs
>>170658415
>run attendant into ice golem
>get lich for free anyway
>evolve lich into 6/6
whoa
plays too advanced for a little shadow player
still suffering from haven induced PTSD, oy vey, remember the 6 gorillion
>>170649256
I don't get it.
>>170658471
>he doesn't evolve 1/1's
Someone needs to run more weenie decks
>>170658471
You're fucking retarded m8 and I'm a new guy replying to you. He clearly explained why evolving Attendant is better and your argument is "b-b 0". I bet you're just fucking AA shitter who can't even climb to master.
>>170658412
meantime some guy on gamepress claimed he got a 32 winstreak in masters with otk roach past nerf :3
>>170657769
i want to banish on tsubaki's ass
Bets on the effect of the 2nd Blood leggo?
>finally get the chance to meme in Take 2
>this happens
Damn you Haven!
>>170658617
they're xray goggles. she fucked that tentacle
>>170658548
It gives you enough get started right away without having to spend weeks grinding to have a decent deck.
But make sure to play through the story mode and don't go dusting cards until you feel the need, because you might need them to make some budget decks to complete the daily quests.
>>170658661
>I'm a new guy replying to you
Hey great job confirming you're B0
>why evolving attendant is better
But it's not, see >>170658597
>>170658735
It's still good, literally all that changed was it got a consistency hit from gobbo nerf. Admittedly consistency was why they had such a high winrate, but the winrate was so absurdly high that now its still north of 50
>>170657914
>>making fun of evolved Ice Golem
Like why shouldn't i? That's retarded cause he vanishes next turn and you should at least expect 3 dods while playing against aggro decks.
>>when he has an evolved Attendant on the field
+2 face dmg is worth wasting evolve, besides he wouldn't even care about attendant without evolve and as i see i need shadows for usual phantom howl combo. Solves every problem
>>which might even have been fine had you gone second, but you went 1st so you only have 2 evolves and you still wasted one of them on a fucking attendant
Going first is actually better for me, especially against rune. Now i am curious, what should i use for evolve? Teach me, senpai.
>>170658597
>can't even realize the Attendant was evolved earlier
How retarded are you?
Dear presumably D-shift who kept spamming "Sorry" every turn and then died on turn 6 after dropping the spell-healer who healed for 1,
What the fuck was that about?
Shadow players have to be among the most annoying in this general.
Not even dragon cucks sound as retarded as them.
>>170659027
>can't even realize an attendant shouldn't be evolved earlier either
whoa
>>170658890
>Now i am curious, what should i use for evolve?
either the spartoi or the mummy in your hand, not the fucking attendant
>>170658753
something that either kills yourself or does nothing above 10hp
>>170659098
>dragon cucks
>retarded
Do you have to bully us this much? It's not nice. We already give you all the wins, you could at least be polite about it.
Need a concede:
18962
>>170658320
That kill me bait would drop you a 4/4 lich that you'll be able to attack face with if he kills the attendant but is unable to kill the lich. Even if he killed the lich, it means he would've had to be forced to remove 2 followers.
>running Attendant
>>170659154
>>can't even realize an attendant shouldn't be evolved earlier either
You couldn't even make an argument for why, retard, you just called the other guy a B0.
>>170659154
evolving attendant is pretty common for aggro decks
is it safe to double log from your pc and cell phone
>>170658597
this banishocaust meme is the best
>>170659098
Shadow players are the only ones who raqequit when I OTK them with rose queen memes or bolt. I guess they can't handle their precious khawy getting cucked.
>>170658753
a blood version of albert :^)
>>170659320
Thanks!
>>170658597
>>170658871
Are you stupid? What the fuck are you going to do with a 6/6 lich who can't attack face since you fucking killed the attendant on your turn? Have you never played aggro?
>>170659173
When I ever I fight a dragon I feel relieved because its a free winI am a dergon player too
>lost 4 games today over topdecked demonic strike/DoD
Feels bad man
>>170659098
i dont think the anon bitching about attendant even plays shadow tbqh with you my dude
>>170659424
if its the same acc you can't, the active client will sign out
>>170659590
I didn't realize exactly how bad it was until I played aggro and realized every game against a dragon was autowin.
How to play dragoncraft
>know dragoncraft is underpowered
>play it anyway
>reroll swordcraft and go to /svg/ and whine that dragoncraft is underpowered
>>170659543
You mean Imp Lancer?
>>170658597
>he's playing aggro shadow against dshift
>no guy just suicide the attendant into the ice golem so you get a 4/4 lich you can evolve to do nothing since there's nothing else on the board besides the ice golem instead of just evolving ANY follower, even a 1/1 to do damage to face since you know you're playing against dshift as aggro
Holy fuck how bad are you? Have you never played an aggro deck at all?
Nice game Shadowbabs
>>170658597
>evolve lich into 6/6
1/1 or 6/6 doesn't matter much against d-shift with lots of wind blasts, fiery embraces, levis. The deck doesn't have a heal and if you waste even 1 or 2 free dmg for 6/6removed by wind blast next turnthen you lose.
>plays too advanced for a little shadow player
Woah, now i am offended.
>either the spartoi or the mummy in your hand, not the fucking attendant
>wasting evolve point just to remove 2/1 on the field
>>170658890
/svg/ advices, everyone.
90056 concede please !
i want forte to impale me on her lance
>>170659772
I started right when DE launched, which was... well, okay it was mostly the same, sword was OP as shit and dragon sucked, but dragon sucked less, and sword hadn't powercreeped as far as it has now, forte had more relative power back then.
>>170659348
okay you fucking troglodyte, I'll explain it to you step by step since you're apparently too retarded to put 1 + 1 together
look at the picture in this post >>170658890
evolving his attendant lets him deal 3 damage this turn, if he also plays his spartoi and mummy he will have 3+2+2 damage on the field for next turn, except 2 of that are going to waste since the opponents clay golem is gonna run into it, turning into 5 damage next turn
so 3 face damage this turn, 5 damage next turn
if you evolved the mummy/spartoi, you would have 1+4+2 damage on the field, BUT you could also trade into the golem, meaning he cant ram that one into either of your followers on his turn, leaving you still with 3
that is 1 damage this turn, 7 damage next turn, which, yes, amounts to the same as the other option, but leaves you with more board presence and possibly more face damage on the third turn after all of this
don't reply to me ever again you genuine b0
"aggro" players who don't understand that trading smart > going into face at every opportunity will never get to masters
>>170659704
dragon has some very annoying wards (owl, neutral goblinmount) and also heals and salamander's and other clears
>>170659880
What the hell are you talking about?
Degenerate.
>>170658320
>>170658871
>>170657914
>>170659154
>>170658597
>still thinks evolving anything last words minion is a bad idea
>thinks forcing an opponent to have double removal for a minion or get "stormed" for 4 is a bad play
>thinks having one large easy target is good against d-shift
>probably still A rank
Never give advice ever again. You are literally retarded.
>>170659948
Most people are running ramp though, and there's ramp decklists that don't have as many wards. Plus even if you have the most warded out decklist with bellringers and imprisoneds, some people will spend a turn ramping rather than plop them down, which is all it takes for aggro to run away with things. My experience has been that dragon is by far the best control archetype to face as aggro, but ymmv.
>>170659779
6pp vs 5pp with the same attack and only 1 defence higher
no enhance
Recommend me card games, I'm tired of HS/SV decided by who goes first/second and what early hand you get
>>170659880
>ywn raise Erika's banner
>>170660107
Go Fish.
>>170659921
>trading
>when you're playing aggro going first against dshift
You're retarded. Your followers are all going to get removed no matter what you do, the best play is to go face as fast as possible.
Let me repeat, that guy is playing aggro, going first, against dshift.
>>170647114
>go second
>lose because of satan mirror
>not evolving your Attendants and Aielas to do a decent chunk of face and forcing your opponent to kill it next turn
>>170660107
Have fun finding a CCG that isn't decided by the hand you get.
>>170660107
Uno
>>170660071
a Blood version of Albert, alright
>>170660210
>run goblin into it
>blacked or evil deeds
:^)
>>170660107
Baccarat
>>170660236
Duel of Champions was pretty good in that regard, actually. Part of it was hand sizes, but you could also exchange a card in your hand for an extra draw every turn, which really helped bricking not happen. Great game ruined by complete lack of support by the developer and a tiny playerbase.
>>170660189
And I literally just told you that having traded there would've been the better option even for going face because you have more damage on the board to go face with later lol
No my man, you are retarded
"WAHHHH IM AGGRO WHAT IS TRADING SMART, I MUST GO FACE AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY"
You're the retarded kind of blood player who runs out of steam at turn 5 and then sits there with his thumb up his as wondering why he's can't win and just blames rng
>>170658806
Gotcha. So I'll just hold off on dusting anything for a while (I made that mistake in HS, dusting everything including what I thought was a bad legendary to make one deck... then needing to craft stuff back for other classes)
>>170660107
Pick another genre if you can't handle bad hands every once in a while.
>Rowen concedes before mulligan phase
Poor guy can't catch a break
>>170660107
Thats all card games anon, the heart of the cards matters, you cant combo all your great cards if you dont draw them at the right times.
>>170659980
i would like forte to stab me in the stomach with her lance. no euphamism or anything, i want her to run me through
>>170660402
T-tutoring is an underused mechanic
>>170660352
>expects your board to survive against DShift
>lol
kys
>>170660236
Early hand. I mean, if you could survive turn 5+ with a decent amount of hp, even with a bad hand, you'd have a chance to comeback.
Anyone have a good Aggro Bats list? The kind that runs shit like Fortress and Killer Devil?
>>170660107
>card game
It's the same shit all around. Learn a fighting game if you want skill and matchups to be your deciding factors instead of RNG and matchups.
>>170660352
I wasn't the guy you replied to earlier and I'm already in masters.
I never said trading was bad but that situation was where the right play was to go face, not trading.
Get some reading comprehension you fucking nigger.
Shadowverse anime when
>>170659438
>Shadow players are the only ones who raqequit when I OTK them with rose queen memes or bolt. I guess they can't handle their precious khawy getting cucked.
I only rage about stuff on the pic. Will of the forst kils my 5/5 reaper first.
>>170660523
Mini Soul Devil > Killer Devil
>>170660503
>>170660613
>I never said trading was bad but that situation was where the right play was to go face, not trading.
but I've already disproven that
you might've missed it because of your bad reading comprehension, "ou "fucking nigger"
>>170660352
>flooding the board instead of going for face damage
>against dshift who went 2nd and can just levi+crimson or rune your board to hell
>>170660662
When game plot is complete :^)
>>170660328
Never heard of it before but just checked it now. What a shame, really.
>>170660352
>having traded there would've been the better option even for going face because you have more damage on the board to go face with later
>later
>thinking your minions are just going to survive the next turn against d-shift
>thinks that's how aggro plays and it doesn't aggressively evolve for face whenever it can
>lol
I repeat, your opinions are probably some A-rank or below retard who thinks they actually know how to play.
Stop attempting to give anyone advice.
>mfw getting lethal with Reno's effect.
>>170660665
get fucked unga shitter
>>170660708
>one specific situation
>means I meant every single time
>but I've already disproven that
And I already disproven your argument as well
>trading to form a board when it's going to get removed by levi+crimson anyways
No you're the nigger here. If you haven't noticed, he won the game, meaning he made the right play, so your fucking argument is worthless.
>>170660303
>Goblin
>in any Haven deck
>>170660320
baka rat!
>>170660897
haggro
Runa no make da yo
>>170661085
what
>>170661160
I'm leaving humpty dumpty
>>170661160
Runa no make da yo
>>170658471
>>170658871
All things considered his play was fine. a good tempo play imo.
>he had winning hand next turn as long as there wasn't another ward anyway
>having 2 3/3s is better than having a 1/1 and a 5/5
i'd say that even without last words, it's often better to spread out your stats than just dump them all on one follower. depends on the matchup of course.
with last word it's not even a question. also he had dod too in case he puts up another ward.
so yeah you completely failed this test anon.
>>170660005
this
Goodnight bloodkin
>>170661258
The way she hugs the doll when she concedes is so cute. I want to make her pregnant.
>>170661509
What was his name again?
>>170659921
>"aggro" players who don't understand that trading smart > going into face at every opportunity will never get to masters
But i am already master, climbing to top 1000. Honestly your advice isn't too bad considering i could've played against someone else, not rune with lots of cheap removals but still you can't expect to have 3 cheap followers after evolve turn of runecraft d-shift. In your case scenario you would've spent shadows for board presence that gets cleared anyway.
>because you have more damage on the board to go face with later lol
Man i guess you don't play much against d-shift. Every turn your board get's empty, that's pretty normal state of duel against d-shift deck.
>>170661489
good night vampy
>>170661489
>>170660957
I see areola. Delete this.
>>170661489
Good night, Vampy-chan.
Losing to Nep feels so fucking lame.
>>170661489
>Just lost against a Haven deck running Saha, Luci, Jeanne and Incandescent Dragon.
Holy fuck does Lucifer look OP when you can't get rid of him, why the fuck did I think DoDing the Sahaquiel was a good idea...
I need a concede. Thanks in advance!
70732
>>170661509
i want to make you pregnant!
Play Sukebancraft.
>>170660828
Still won that game, forestcuck.
>>170662016
I don't mind you trying, but...
>>170661813
b-but i thought that only nipples were forbidden
>>170662019
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGG MY FUCKING DICK
when are they going to replace this with the one we have.
My autism is killing me.
>>170661690
I think he is going to be a secret lego they reveal at the last minute to surprise us. There is still nothing to counter haven's new lego. I think he will have rush and clash: -10/-10 or something similar to that.
>>170662019
translate?
>>170657681
I would evolve on his place too, he got 2 more evos and clearly about to die. Was dead to dod anyway, evolved golem or not, no point to take it into account in this case.
>>170662328
Eris reacts incredulously to seeing herself as a delinquent.
>>170662019
>where do you think you're going nerd
*banishes you in the face*
>>170662280
More broadly, it would be interesting to have followers that, instead of doing damage to followers, permanently lower their total health. There's no difference when it kills, but if they survive, there's no actual missing health to be healed.
>>170662449
What is she going to do with all those mushrooms?
>>170662637
healing followers is so uncommon that love gospel was commonly thought to be a safe vial
>>170662241
>this would have triggered you a year or two ago but now it doesn't bother you in the slightest
I've cured my autism.
>>170662740
That anti moon-bunny tech tho
Is there list of must have DE cards?
>>170662241
How did this happen?
>>170662936
Getting 2 wins in the arena.
>>170662710
what would you do with them at her place?
>>170662280
aegis counter is aggro
just kill them or albert them when they play their 9pp beatstick
>>170663046
please be kind to the content creator and keep their watermarks in the image
thank you
>>170662019
Don't make me like that hag.
>>170663026
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
>>170663196
i strongly doubt that site is the content creator
>>170662019
What is this supposed to be?
Deliquent Eris? Why is she holding a yoyo?
>>170663196
>>170662390
I wish i could see his hand, maybe he wanted to save his spells and make a big play on turn 6. Arguably the sole reason of keeping iceform can be considered a bad play, but that's really up for discussion. The card's just that bad and easy to remove, even tsubaki shits on iceform.
>>170663248
Jojo+sukeban.
Zeus should also have Drain, Clash: Deal 2 damage to all enemies and Last Words: Destroy the highest attack enemy follower.
>>170663248
>yoyo
maybe it's a tape measure
Maids.
>>170662901
Won't do you the disrespect of listing bronzes. Also more of a "good;don't vial" list
Unica
Whole-soul Swing
Levi
Vania
Beastcall Aria
Sledgehammer
Elana
Siegfried
Tia
Radiance
Bloody Mary
Cynthia
Garuda
Neptune
Lord of the Flies (poor guy)
Odin
Seraph
Olivia
>>170663464
Gotta make sure they qualify for her banish
>>170663359
iceform is pretty strong vs aggro
How to deal with fucking wardspam? I know we are hating Daria but this shit is just ridiculous
I fucking hate losing to burn spells.
spot lethal
>>170663612
Whatever you mean?
>>170655442
It's versatile, but only 7pp onwards
Unless you set it up by proccing Amelia and keeping Gelt and somehow surviving.
>Ninja masters have great synergy with it
>Evovling gives great value
>Turn 8 Blitz + Cyclone is 6 to one, 3 to everything else or 10 to one, 5 to everything else if you evo
>Aurelia + Cyclone is anything from 3 to 10 damage
>If you're running Bahamut, it's pretty much a win if they don't remove him and you can Cyclone everything away
The only real issue is how you can't Jeno + Cyclone or Albert + Cyclone
I'm now debating whether to run 2 or 1
>>170663679
Dire Bond
>>170663679
Dire Bond
>>170663476
>ywn play her event/s
Ultimate maido when?
>>170663679
are you retarded
>>170663679
Dire bond for lethal, easy peasy.
Need for concede, thanks lads
78556
Need a concede please.
60089
>>170663807
What's her name?
>>170663679
>spot lethal
Is this how small your little aggro blood brain is?
memes?
>>170663807
into the trash it goes
>>170663679
Go face (without using your evo for the turn), razory.
End turn.
>>170663679
Play dire bond
>>170663919
>Temptress
>Aggro
>>170663891
Thanks anon!
>t3 dire bond against aggro blood
Sasuga thinking mans deck
>>170658890
>Unevolved Ice Golem
>You evo Cerb and push through with Phantom Howl
>Or DoD and he's dead anyway
>Evolved Ice Golem
>Evo'd Cerb doesn't punch through, dies in the meantime, have to commit ghosts/attendant to push through
>Or you skip your turn, Minimum of 8 damage prevented
>Or dead to DoD anyway
Is this really a hard concept to grasp?
>>170663464
>>170662019
>try to skip out on penis inspection day
>class rep Eris chases you down to administer her own inspection
>>170664127
Worth it if it leads to turn 4 proc'd Righteous Devil or Revelation
>>170663775
>>170663798
>>170663817
>>170663860
>>170663919
t. roach players
>>170664020
Correct, you won 1 face punch, enjoy your reward.
>>170663679
Evolve Erinyes and then use Razory Claw.
5 + 6 + 3 = 14
>>170664127
it heals back to the turn 6, can help to proc a cheap diabolic drain/revelation and anyway they have a fuckton of other healing
>>170664235
>>170664260
kill yourselves vania shitters
>>170663893
No idea, her card is literally Ultimate Maid. I guess her name might've been mentioned during an event she featured in. But never played it sooo, I dunno
Aggro sword counters?
>>170664335
>>170664008
Winner
>tfw Master rank Shadow player purposefully missed lethal with his Phantom Howl to play Atomeme
>tfw I took the opportunity to tryhard and stole the game back by killing the Atomeme and spamming Queen Vampire wards
I'm so sorry, friend.
You must understand, I need these next 10 wins.
Meme in peace...
>>170664235
>>170661925
For every one that T6 Death's Breath T7 Khway T8 Nep there's one that opens 2 Morde.
>>170664795
nep support when
some follower with fanfare - you can shove a card of your choice back into the deck
Please concede.
25177
>>170663945
There's more than enough room in my heart for more maids
>play around 10 damage from hand when facing sword
>he doesn't have an Albert
>still lose
Thanks Cygames, for adding such skillful decision making to this game. Really reminds me of Twin in MTG.
help me Im a retard and i cant learn how to play bloodcraft bats, post a deck
>>170664960
why would a maid wear a knife stripped to her leg
>>170664904
Thanks Traeg.
>>170665109
So she can peel fruits on the go
>>170665067
something like this
>>170663568
this guy won with ramp right?
>>170665067
First, trick the rigged matchmaking system.
>>170665109
For those fancy spellcards.
>>170665109
To protect the princess!
I love how it's always the Dariafags who dc, really speaks volumes about the type of people who play that deck.
I have opened 5 fucking Eidolons.
I haven't even opened that many RoB packs.
Make it stop
>>170665109
Why does she have bullets next to the knife? does she have a gun in the other leg? does she need to reload the knife?
>>170665423
They're also the only players that bm emote before going for lethal
>>170665495
Its a knifegun
>>170665296
and those bullets are actually tiny jars with salt, pepper, cinnamon, ginger and garlic powder
>>170665423
Bandwagoning meta faggots? In DE it was havenfags
>>170665496
Bull fucking shit.
Every fucking aggro blood player emotes like crazy when they have lethal, but only those with Vania as their leader. I have had way more aggro bloods BM at me than Darias. I have had that stupid loli bitch spam emotes at me more than any other class.
Haven tends to BM too when they pull off the Seraph.
>>170665374
I appriciate this post
>>170665423
Funny, the last person to dc on me was a CBlood player.
>>170665432
get on my level
opened
4 eidolons
4 bahamuts
4 bloodhungry matriarch
as f2p player
>>170665496
>not emoting when getting acheeky imperial dragoon lethal
>>170665391
>That skindentation
I love the art of these cards.
>>170665548
you mean gunblade
>>170664960
>bite marks.
Convince me not to
>>170665846
Fuck the skindentation, that maid has a monster badonk.
>>170665701
how dare they give cblood a bad name, was it a vampyfag?
>>170665643
>Every fucking aggro blood player emotes like crazy when they have lethal, but only those with Vania as their leader.
her emotes are very cute~
>>170665964
do it and waste your vials
>>170665964
Sword is way more bullshit.
Well, that's not true. Daria is easily the most bullshit card in the game, but Sword is way more consistently bullshit.
>>170665964
You won't get the emblem. Wait til you pull 1 then craft two.
>>170665964
i did and ended opening six (6) Darias and on of them is animated
>>170665964
It's not as easy as you think, and everyone will shit on you if you imply it isn't autowin. Other than that it's pretty good.
>>170665964
It's boring as shit and the expansion is really close, maybe Daria will become weaker next expansion.
>>170665998
She's perfect
>>170665964
its a strong deck but the amount of bricking you'll do is really quite depressing. I'd only recommend it if you care about winning at the cost of anything else.
I just want to see the Dragon legendaries, Cygames. Is it that hard?
>>170665964
>Daria this late into the expansion
Deck doesn't seem to be getting much support yet in ToG either.
>>170666076
>Albert
>Not just as bullshit as Daria
>>170666269
What a cute bloodkin
>>170666172
>maybe Daria will become weaker next expansion
i have heard they were going to give rune some daria tutor, weren't they?
>>170666269
That's a cute bloodkin
>>170666250
MAIDO
A
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>>170666015Yes
>>170666250
I wish I had the luck that most of you guys seem to have with your packs.
Maybe the RNG goddess frowns at my attempts to climb the ladder with a Seraph Deck.
>>170666374
She pulls cards with spellboost on their text.
>Wanted to learn more about her since she looked cute in the Anne x Grea anime
>Now going to be similar to Maid Leader, but cancer.
Reeeeeeeee
>>170666374
It's not a Daria tutor, it tutos any Spellboost card randomly, so you have a 25% chance of getting her if you only play Blade Mage, Ogler, Daria and Emmy
>>170662280
d-shift has been out forever and doesn't have any counter
>>170666172
>maybe Daria will become weaker next expansion.
Daria and her deck will only become stronger as time goes on since they refuse to print any counters to spellboost.
>>170666298
Albert is just an overstatted storm. He's bullshit, but nowhere near Daria levels.
Daria's effects are some of the most broken shit you can do in card games. The only reason Daria isn't SSS tier is because the deck around her kinda sucks honestly and without her the deck flounders and dies to the first board clear.
>>170666269
>>170666269
Such a happy bloodkin
>>170666269
I think your dog has autism
>seraph vs seraph
>lose because I went second
Fun
>opponent plays nothing but temple defenders and Moon
>surely he's storm with a bad hand then
>extend into a themis
Glad to know the greatest factor in my loss was skill.
>>170666940
>WOW WHY DID THEMIS PLAY THEIR BEST CARD
>>170666940
yeah you should have considered that possibility so it's your fault for not playing around it
Which one /svg/?
There needs to be a feature to tell me if the rune guy I'm going against runs dickshift so i can just concede and spare me the whole farce.
>>170666928
just make haste, sleipnir.but i know that feel. still can't help but smile, knowing that there's still a seraph player in a sea of d-shift, daria, and aggro sword
>>170665964
do it, i want more people to know the same suffering i felt after crafting this meme
>>170666648
>Albert is just an overstatted storm
Unfortunately that matters a lot in a game with only 20 health, especially when he can potentially threaten half of your total health in damage on turn 9
He's also unreasonably hard to kill for a storm card on turn 5. You basically need hard removal since very few cards can evolve to do the 7 damage. And using removal on him means you can't develop a board meaning sword has tempo advantage again. His bullshit honestly starts on turn 5.
>>170666940
>Storm
>Temple Defender
Since when does Storm run Temple Defender. Since when does Storm not play anything until moon bunny and themis.
Also Storm plays Themis too so... this was 100% your fault.
Match ID:16254
can a kind anon get me a win for my quest
>>170667158
hagcraft :^)blood, then dragon. haven if you're feeling ballsy
>>170667158
>no sword
Retire. Don't waste your time.
>>170667201
come faster, sleipnir!
>>170665316
is this a control deck? just tried it and it feels like it
durrr me play sword
me hit face with albert
me get gud wins
me skill
How the fuck is the current state of arena okay? This is the most obvious case of tier 0 in a limited format I've ever seen.
>>170667253
I'm not denying Albert isn't a stupid card. I'm just saying at the end of the day he's just another obnoxious burst tool which this game is full of. He's literally just Sword's Forte but hardier and scarier in the late game at the cost of doing less damage overall. People whine about aggro sword playing 3 Alberts in a row but, hey, face dragon did the same damn thing and it was just as obnoxious.
Daria is a completely different beast. Albert plays by the rules but is too good at what he does, Daria snaps the rules in half and laughs at them. Daria would be insta-banned in basically any other card game and should never have been printed; Albert should just have had less stats.
>>170667330
Thank you Gandalf!
>>170667358
>>170667381
Rowen then,left or right?I will draft my entire deck with the replies
>>170667281
A lot of Storm builds play Temple Defender because Storm is extremely weak against aggro.
Also, Storm doesn't normally play Themis, since the deck really tries to be ahead in tempo, making Themis dead quite often.
>>170667595
left
>>170667607
use themis to clear their board a turn before your amulets spawn their shit
how is it bad
guardian haven anyone?
>>170667570
np, vampy
Can I get a concede? 11206
>>170667595
>>170667656
>>170666940
>>170667281
Storm people were running temple defender to fuck with roaches and other aggro decks. Honestly you can't beat how fast other aggressive decks play now so you pretty much have to go for a mixture of defense and offense.
>>170667607
Storm decks also started throwing in themis and lion spirits to deal with Daria, it's really not uncommon at all.
>>170667095
Yes, surely a board wipe is the best card to have in a follower based deck such as storm.
>>170667128
Why?
>>170667281
>Since when does Storm run Temple Defender.
Mine does. Since when does it not?
>Since when does Storm not play anything until moon bunny and themis.
When it bricks.
>Also Storm plays Themis too
Time to back that claim up with evidence my man.
>>170667807
right
>>170667807
>Roost god
right
>>170667538
Arena is a fucking joke. They give Shadow and Sword really strong commons, uncommons, golds, and legendaries every fucking expansion despite the fact that they were the best arena classes from the moment it was conceived. There are also so many fucking insta-win cards in the late game unless Odin blessed your draft. It's really clear they don't try to balance it at all. I wish you could just use your arena ticket and have it randomly give you a chest instead of having to go through the farce of actually playing the mode.
This is coming from someone who averages 4 wins by the way. I'm not trying to justify the fact that I lose a lot, because I don't, I just think they really fucked up hard with take-two.
>>170667607
Storm generally has a 1x of Themis because it helps them in the case they fall behind and it doesn't hit their amulets. It has been like this since DE.
Also the deck doesn't try to be ahead all the time, it's entire thing is losing tempo early to gain it back later and/or just ignoring it and storming face.
>>170667793
Thank you Gandalf!
>>170666928
>yfw Odin'd two seraphs in row
>5 lose streak with aggro shadow
>switch to nep deck
>matched against a DShift
>lose a take two because my opponent does turn 10 bahumut into turn 11 second bahumut
First time trying take two in months and safe to say I'm pretty mad.
>>170667563
Albert would be just a strong card if not for the enhance.
>>170668051
left
>>170668084
np, eris
>>170668158
>Games lasting long enough for Bahamut
Lucky you, must have not run into that many Swords then.
>>170668229
im gonna go 0-5 am I?
>switch from saha ramp to stormramp
>win way more
All these vials...
Need 10 private matches
>>170668335
No shit. You already threw the run by actually taking Phoenix Roost.
>all these shitter complaining about albeert like otohime,Elana or PtP
>>170668335
Siegfried is amazing and the wyrm sometimes generates value
Left
Just won using Neptits.dek at 1 card left in deck against Dirtrune feat. Satan
>>170668335
left
>>170668335
You'll either meme or get meme'd. Throwing down a roost is just asking to accelerate both sides wincons, moreso for the other side.
>tfw climbing rank in DE
>tfw dragon opponent throws down a phoenix roost when I had seraph and a bunch of reduction cards at hand
>>170668436
Albert is bullshit though.
Unless you think Sword having a much higher winrate than other classes to be a sign of good balance?
Can I get a concede for daily pls?
72640
>>170668520
It's what he gets for not packing PtP to autowin the matchup desu ne.
>>170668410
>>170668519
>>170668536
just fuck me up /svg/
>>170668436
They will be soon going back to complaining about Otohime next expansion.
>>170668520
>doesn't post proof
Cool story bru
>>170668641
Albert is busted but he's still shit compared to Roach.
>>170668678
left
>>170668641
Otohime is bullshit though.
Unless you think Sword having a much higher winrate than other classes to be a sign of good balance?
>>170668737
Salamander and Lion spirit still exist.
I eat ass
>>170668737
>Turn 5 otohime
>>170668664
Thank you!
We need more removal desu even themis is shit now
>>170668917
right
>will of the forest a temple defender
>mfw
>>170668751
But there's nothing wrong in the post you faggot
What, is it .dek you don't understand ?
>>170668917
left
>>170665643
>Every fucking aggro blood player emotes like crazy when they have lethal, but only those with Vania as their leader
So mcuh true. Blood players with vania bm most often.The most polite players are swordbros, they never bm.
>>170668781
They're different beasts.
Albert you can just slam down whenever. He doesn't require any other cards to do what he does: be overstatted and add EVEN MORE FUCKING STORM BURST TO THE GAME COME FUCKING ON CYGAMES
Roach you gotta pull a big combo with.
>>170668952
We need cheap hard removal.
None of this fucking 5 mana bullshit. We gotta get us some Path to Exiles
>>170668917
left. don't let your JO memes be dreams.
>>170668917
Dragonclaw is big value in Arena, I'd go left.
>>170668917
left
>>170668980
how does this card not single-handedly shit on an aggro sword meta?
>>170669131
Blitz and Jeno
Stuff like this is why I play Wolfbolt
>>170669131
Jeno
Blitz Lancer
>>170669181
left
>>170669043
>Roach you gotta pull a big combo with.
And AE fanfare is a drawback.
>>170669131
>>170669131
3 mana or 4 mana cards rush ruin this card.
I didnt bother remember that card name cause i hate those cards.
>>170669131
Blitz Lancer is a card.
>>170669131
If you're looking for a card that shits on aggro sword, you want this cute Albert slayer.
>>170669181
right
>>170669268
>>170669343
>bloodcraft
>>170669181
right
>>170669395
mustache?
>>170669343
Erinno when
>>170669395
TSUKOME
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>>170669565
right. valkyrie is INSANE in ake 2
>>170669565
Why would you even consider taking a great card and a solid card over a solid card and an irredeemably terrible card?
>>170669043
>Albert you can just slam down whenever
Oh my, 5pp 3/5 storm, what a scary guy. Let me guess, you are talking about 5pp EVOLVED 5/7.
You forestfags love to forget the fact that you have to evolve the fucking guy for him to be a threat.
>Muh turn 5 5 damage
>Muh turn 9 10 damage
>>170667281
>Also Storm plays Themis too
I am not an expert about storm heaven but it feels like they don't most of the time, just judging from my encounters, there were a lot of such decks at AA.
>>170669647
because im letting /svg/ draft my deck, any songs to listen to meanwhile I go 1-4?
>>170669565
if you dont take valk spear youre a shitter
>>170669268
突っ込め
っ
込
め
>>170669565
left. i'd want to see you at least get one win, even if we're screwing with your run.
>>170669565
Left. You won't have enough Neutral followers for Valkyrie Spear to be worth it.
>>170669760
What is love.
Guaranteed your moral boost will be upgraded.
>>170669671
Just so you understand, because you seem to be a little confused, I was not saying Roach is less bullshit than Albert because Roach needs to be part of a combo. I was saying they function differently:
Roach is a combo piece.
Albert is just a single threat.
They're both bullshit, but they're bullshit in different ways despite functioning off the same stupid mechanic.
>>170669760
https://plaza.one/
>>170669760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCLfC6QI648
>>170669730
When I was running a storm haven deck during DE, I had themis in the deck to at least ensure that if things get hairy, I could at least option select out while having amulets out in play.
Otohime is such bullshit card theu should nerf her
Elana is such bulshit card they should nierf her
>>170670084
right
Why are male leaders not allowed to get good cards?
>>170670065
Vampy is such bullshit card they shoyld ner her
>>170669730
They should, but remember it is a 1x of. Unless they draw over half their deck they're not likely to have it
>>170670065
Otohime was bullshit, and they did nerf her. Just indirectly; they printed way more board clears and the game sped up too much. There's no real room for midrange that isn't based on storming you out since it's much harder to keep a board around now.
>>170670084
what a shit choice.
Left
>>170670084
Damn dude. Just take your free pack and requeue.
>>170670157
Levi is such overstated 2 drop, they should nerf him.
new dragoncraft legendary revealed!!
>>170670157
It's Vania.
>>170669760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn6yAuiVDcw
>>170670084
right
i don't believe this deck could bring somebody a 32 wins winstreak in the current meta...
maybe they meme hard in masters though
>>170670325
Quiick blader is such bullshit t1 play they should nerf him
>>170670350
>8
>Gain 2
H-Hear.
do not reply to the oc autist
>>170670084
Right. You need to start getting some threats if you want to win.
>>170670325
Hamsa is such gamebreaking 2 quack, they should grill him.
>>170670369
What's a vania? Is it a new car? Maybe I should get a nissan vania.
>>170670412
I am untouchable.
>>170670495
>literally the git gud card
>>170670409
Forest is still broken because they didn't nerf roach directly, who could have guessed.
>>170670325
Homecoming is way too strong, they should nerf it
>>170670475
>>170670412
1/0 1pp after he attacks he dies of exhaustion
>>170670350
kys
>>170670409
Is it some new bs from gameai? I love their gameplay videos of such decks. One guy plays another guy and the later one bricks or just have weak tear 4 deck.
>>170670475
>roasted divine duck lightly basted with a honey soy sauce
i imagine it'll taste heavenly
>>170670760
Right
>>170670760
right
>>170670760
right
>>170669671
>hurr durr why do I have to evolve cards
>meanwhile blitz lancer
>meanwhile Jeno
>meanwhile Alwida
>meanwhile Tsubaki
Evos for Albert are so easy to save it's not even funny.
>get win 4 ranked daily
>get win 4 with sword daily
>4 wins in a row all matches finished by turn 5 or 6
Aggro sword is retarded right now and especially due to the fact you can tutor Albert so easily. Other decks can't trade with him because dealing 7 damage with an evo on turn 5/6 is pretty much impossible for them, so they have to use hard removal and then they get massively behind in tempo because hard removal is expensive and prevents you from developing the board. His 7 health is actually more of a problem than people even realize and why Forte is not nearly as strong on turn 6 because it's so easy to get rid of her.
>>170670978
We desperately need good hard removal now. Hard removal is way too fucking expensive, the standard balancing has gone completely out the roof.
We seriously need shit like Doom Blade. I can't believe they've already fucked up the game this much.
>>170670978
>>170671181
t. control faggots
>>170671181
I don't know if irony or not
If I hit face with the blue flame glass, does his effect activate?
>>170671302
Yeah
>>170671240
And?
What's your point?
>Sword is OP
>can't pull a single Albert
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
>>170671181
>We seriously need shit like Doom Blade. I can't believe they've already fucked up the game this much.
oh, no, the game needs cheap removal to be balanced. Shocking; horrible; I can't believe magic devs would ever push a metagame that looks like this. Shadowverse is ruined forever.
Can someone post a good storm haglist, I wanted to try the deck out.
>>170671240
t. aggro baby upset by game balance
>>170671367
>mfw
The only thing I have ever crafted is two Nep.
>>170670837
>>170670842
>>170670940
Should I stream the 1-4?
>>170671367
you must not be a sky knight :^)
>playing ptp rune
>face a dshift who play both calamitous curse AND petrification
???
>>170671546
Post the link and I will go watch your suffering.
>>170671546
right
i'm fine either way with stream or screenshot
>>170671470
I meant "I can't believe they already powercreeped this shit so hard in less than a year"
It's honestly pretty impressive. I haven't seen another card game go down in flames as fast
>>170671561
That's not too unheard of. DShift has no good board clears so Calamitious Curse is tempting, and once you're playing some earth rites (scrap iron for a nice little ward and maybe commence for spellboost) you can sneak in petrification too since it's the best removal spell in the game. It's not as fast as the standard but it's more resilient
>>170671719
>>170671546
Dammit, I mean left
>>170671529
>two Nep.
>5x:^)
>>170671240
OOOGA BOOGA
ME EVOLVE ALBERT
ME GO FACE
reminder that this is all swordcraft will ever be, the most braindead and linear class in existence
>People crying about no removal in removalverse
Am I in some kind of bizarro world
>>170671901
We can't remove things during the opponent's turn.
>>170671897Oga
boga me remove and stall
>no new reveals
>>170666448
I had horrible luck with RoB packs for all of january/february and then I pulled a daria and an animated bahamut from the 4 promotion packs. Your luck will probably even out. Eventually.
>build this deck to counter aggro
>don't face any aggro
Obviously it turned out pretty mediocre. How should I fix this to counter what I faced? Out of 20 games, here's what I faced and the results.
Tempo forest 0-1
Forest? (brick) 1-0
Midsword 1-1
Daria 0-2
Dshift 2-0
Dirt 0-1
Ramp dragon 1-1
Midshadow 1-0
Aggro shadow 1-0
Cblood 0-2
Aggro blood 1-0
Elana 0-1
Seraph 0-1
Storm haven 0-2
Ice golems definitely were useful, even without much aggro. However, I often found myself with a hand full of d-strikes or dances with nothing to use them on and they were too expensive. Fate's hand also wasn't that useful. Felt good to finally get into teching.
>>170671887
Need high quality picture.
>>170672248
>daria
>countering aggro
Are you braindamaged or something?
>>170671901
>play big followers/board flood deck
>lmao removed
>removed removed removed FUCK YOU removed
>wtf cygames?? we need cheaper removal so we can avoid taking damage from non-storm ever
Which deck allows me okay climbing while I'm drunk and can't think normally and do terrible plays.
>>170672514
Daria. Worked for me.
>>170671641
>>170671719
>>170671871
When we finish the deck I will stream the 1-4
>>170672248
>anti-aggro
what did he mean by this?
>>170672514
Seraph
defend this powercreep bullshit
>literally Snake Priestess but better
>>170672514
aggro shadow is the most braindead deck, try that.
>>170672561
right
>>170672248
>2 brick's hand
>0 blade mage
lmao at your life
>>170672591
>Lose 10% of your health
>Better
>>170672248
https://shadowverse-portal.com/deck/1.3.5-gkQ.5-gkQ.5-gkQ.66NA2.66NA2.66NA2.6A6Qs.6A6Qs.6A6Qs.5-gka.5-gka.5-gka.5-gkk.5-gkk.5-gkk.66IIA.66IIA.66IIA.6A8tG.6A8tG.6A8tG.61LeE.61LeE.6A9bg.6A9bg.6A9bg.659nE.659nE.6A6RA.6A6RA.6A6RA.6A6RK.6A6RK.6A6RK.6ADlI.6ADlI.6ADlI.66LT8.66LT8.61O4A
Here's what I use and it works about the same against any deck. The best ways to counter aggro are either to try trading and develop a board faster than them with Craig, Clarke, and Dorothy or to just keep removing stuff with Levi and Piercing Runes. I mainly have the Angelic Snipe there because it's a free slot. If you want to play a deck that Witch deck that counters aggro outright you'll just have to play dirt, but then you'll have different problems in other matchups.
>>170672570
>>170672386
I had a real shit time against aggro yesterday so I teched around it. Unless you curve out perfectly, which you're less likely to do than aggro sword, you're going to lose. Those ice golems are livesavers, and so is the occasional d-strike.
>>170672561
left
>>170672591
>wah wah bloodcraft got good cards what should i do :((
>>170672248
>C1 trying to make a deck to counter aggro
>>170672591
god forbid giving blood a ward that doesn't die to a low cost spell
>We need MORE removal
Christ no fuck off.
It's obnoxious enough I can't keep a follower on the board for more than two turns.
>>170672678
>waah I lost 2 hp!
truly a shadowbaby
you need to learn from Magic when you drop your life to 17 just for the mana on turn 1
>>170672727
Thanks, it looks better without the fate's hand, and I do think the blade mage would've helped a lot more. I'll try it and see how it works next.
>>170672903
HP in SV is more precious because we don't have blocking and Storm is fucking everywhere.
>>170669343
>no tits
No thank you
>>170672591
Thanks for the free damage.
>>170671901
>removal mattering in a game where you can't interact with your opponent during their turn and they can play minions that can immediately attack your face
Whats even more ironic is the only thing that stops this interaction "wards" are the most vulnerable cards to removal in the game.
However you could solve the removal imbalance if you actual made storm minions have weak health like they should and made removal mostly health based.
>>170672436
Which is why creating strong storm minions is dangerous because the way the game works storm minions will always have an advantage. Really the only counterbalance is being able to heal back damage that storm minions dish out. But healing is pretty limited in this game.
>>170673082
take a hard right. memes can only carry you so far.
>>170673110
>Paying 3 PP to remove a 2 PP card
They don't really lose out in the situation.
>>170673110
Oh you're quite welcome.
>>170673143
Exactly. Removal is the reason why most feel forced to play storm.
me spam 5/7 and 10/7 me good
>>170673430
me face me no trade
>>170673430
This is way better than roach guaranteeing 18 damage on turn 7
>>170673513
me am smart
CUTE
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>>170673430
me play seraph me win next turn
me play dshift and dshift and dshift
>>170673623
>literally maid for rune
>>170673350
The removal options for most classes aren't that spectacular though.
The only reason it seems like people are playing more removal than they actually are is the games evolution mechanic means minions pretty much don't last more than a turn anyways from turn 4-6. Thus allowing you to save few actual hard removal you have for higher PP turns.
>>170673724
Is there any deck that would only want one spellboost card though?
>>170673825
Midrange sword ran leader when they were using multiple commanders.
>>170673350
Nah, Storm is just a bad mechanic in a game with no blockers and only 20 health. Wards don't do much to stop storm unless your deck is full of them because wards just die immediately. People would be playing Storm even if removal sucked because bursting your opponent from hand is the most effective way to win, as your opponent literally can't stop it if they don't have a ward in play. And even then, sometimes having wards in play the turn you get burst down isn't enough.
>>170674078
Hell even control sword right now runs multiple commanders and the maid leaders are essentially for card draw. You can even look at dragon decks that use dragon emissary for the same purpose. (aggro uses it to specifically get forte, and ramp just uses it as generic card draw)
You know what?
Fuck evolve. The mechanic was cool in standard but every expansion it gets more and more obnoxious as they print more and more cards that benefit way too fucking much from evolves. I think evolve is the root of this game's problems more than anything else, they did not do a good job of designing around their central mechanic.