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http://www.strawpoll.me/12378077

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Play cunnycraft.

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i hate dragon mirrors

>>170206028
You're too expensive and only used in 1 deck

>>170206057
Just Gabriel Serpent's force Forte bro

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.>>170205808
Gobu is worthless! Worthless!

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>guys
>albert is fine
>mid-range swordcraft is fine
>just ward bro just heal haha :)

Literally not even Roach had winrates this consistent against EVERY FUCKING OTHER CRAFT. Its even got a positive winrate against other sword decks that aren't this exact deck.
This is worse then Roach.

>>170206028
I would if there was a cute girl for a leader.
Isabelle is a titcow and Erasmus is Erasmus.

>>170205852
>it's a class that's good against everything
>but it's actually bottom of the pack so I can play up my victim complex and call chemo when I do play it.

Do I need to remind you that Seraph single handedly forced literally every single control deck to run Odin or insta lose. Of course it would see less wins now but only after you've made everyone tech specifically against you.

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>>170205808
That's rude, anon. Gobu isn't cancer anymore.

>>170206221

Even the Nips realize that Gobu nerf killed bats.

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>>170206234
>61.7% winrate against Dragon
h-hear...?

>>170206279
People use Odin to counter bahamut and Mordecai retard

>>170206279
>Literally second worst craft in the game after dragon
>N-NO GUYS, HAVEN IS STILL THE REAL CANCER I SWEAR
Shadow players are getting tiring

>>170206234
Sword was being held back because of daria, even before the nerf, midsword has positive winrate against ALL classes except rune.

Though it's a shame now that daria won't be nerf, rip 10k vials

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>>170206234
I'm only wondering why it took so long to figure it out.
I know that all the OTK Roach shitters jumped shit to the next best storm follower because they can't play anything else but why didn't they even try before that?

Also, where are you dedicated "control" decks to counter that shit? That's right, there are none and "control" is a lie. There is no control, only hitting face with storm.

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what the fuck are these picks

Anyone know how to fix the pink square in place of leaders ever since patch without reinstalling? Assuming it's because of the uncensored files

Actual overpowered cards list. If you use any of these cards you are not a honorable human being.

Albert
Quickblader
Novice Trooper
Alwadias Command
Phantom Howl
Shadow Reaper
Daria
Dance of Death
Maid Leader
Ancient Elf
Roach
Khawy
Lurching Corpse
Neph
Mordecai
Necroassassin

>>170206234
I want the stats of blood when RoB come out and everyone was crying about yurius

>>170206594
>not memeing with simulacrum

>>170206601
Steam > Rightclick Shadowverse > Properties > Local Files > Verify integrity

>>170206594

Spellbook isn't THAT bad in T2

>>170206568
>why didn't they even try before that?
You can't Albert for 10 on turn 9 if you got roach raped on 7, Lunachang.

>>170206594
fucking lol. left

>>170206612
>Quickblader
>Novice Trooper
>Dance of Death
>Maid Leader
>Lurching Corpse

kys shitter

>>170206594
Left is absurdly good in general for T2, but especially for a class like Forest that can always keep a follower on the table.

>>170206234
Nothing changed from the patch for sword so why did the winrate go up?

>>170206673
The meta was chaotic then. This is getting such winrates against refined decks. There is no counterplay to non-stop damage from hand.

>>170206594
Left. Well can actually sometimes go off sometimes and spellbook helps during topdeck wars. Spear is dogshit and the shitcrumbs will never go off.

>>170206691
I wouldn't anyway cause without being in forest/dragon where you have many multi-evolve generators you're tits up.

>>170206406
Did you even read?
It's not good because everyone is fucking FORCED to play Odin. Take that out and it's the best again.
Even now everyone basically relies on drawing Odin which doesn't always happen.

>>170206383
>Shadow and Bahaumt are the real cancer
>honest Haven deck is being bullied

Fuck off. It was literally the only way to fight it in DE too when Bahamut didn't exist and nobody played shadow.

>>170206773
i read the same argument when rob come out and everyone was talking about how impossible Yurius is to be removed

>>170206568
OTK Roach was the better deck because it had more answers, consistency, and killed 2 turns faster. Now that the consistency is hit, they went for the consistent Albert tutors instead.

The new blood tutor will enable similar consistency, so you can tell who the shitters are when they tell you that the card will suck.

>dshit
>russian flag

cyka fuckers bringing the cancer here as well, time to rope

>>170206703
thanks

>>170206234
Gobu nerf didn't do this, Piercing Rune did. Aggressive Sword decks never had a problem against Elf, hell, control Sword is actually one of the few decks that can go even or be slightly advantaged against roach OTK pre nerf.

The problem, once again, isn't just Albert. Don't get me wrong he's a fucking card design disaster, just like Daria is to tempo cancer, but the enablers are rush followers, the same way Ogler and Levi are the sole reason Daria is cancer. Imagine a world where Daria had to rune Flame Destroyers, instant tier 2 shit, too slow.

>>170206747

Both OTK Roach with the full early game package and 1pp Piercing Daria were much better against sword than they currently are.

Sword didn't change, but the decks that did well against it did.

>>170206612
>7 shadow cards
>5 sword cards
E0?

>>170206814
>It was literally the only way to fight it in DE
Or how about you just fucking pressure your opponent so he's forced to play something else that isn't Seraph turn 8?
Oh wait, you dumb controlcuck literally don't have enough braincells to do that.
It's just "unga sit here with 9 cards in my hand waiting for opponents to play things so I can respond to them" instead of ever making plays yourself.

>>170206731
>>170206707
spellbook has lost me games in the past though. it's shit to drop on turn 6 because the loss in tempo is so huge the card advantage doesn't matter when you've lost control of the board. it's a turn 10 play with the hope you draw a 4 drop which is nowhere near as good as an actual turn 10 play.

>>170206778
i mean yeah, i'll choose left for the well.

>>170206612
Where is Yurius and Levi?

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>>170206612
You forgot this card buddy.

>>170207024
>its turn 4
literally not a relevant comic

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>>170206814
>Take that out and it's the best again.
In an alternate reality where certain cards don't exist haven may or may not be powerful, really makes you think
>It was literally the only way to fight it in DE too when Bahamut didn't exist and nobody played shadow.
Or you could play Forest or midrange sword and just run them over. Or pick Dshift and literally autowin.
>and nobody played shadow.
Ask me how I know you are an eternally butthurt shadow player. Got your weaknesses seen too many times?

>>170206887
And what exactly are blood players going to draw that is going to win them games? they need to have Albert/roach levels of broken cards first.

I guess all that's left is fucking necromancy tutor so Memely Tyrant can take it's rightful place OTKing fags on turn 6.

>>170206982
If only they could destroy followers like hotcakes....
Sure, let me pressure him real hard by dropping 3 lethals agaisnt his t7 death sentence cover.

>>170206982
>put pressure on board
>Themis
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CAN'T JUST DROP 20 FOLLOWERS EVERY TURN AS A CONTROL DECK??????
t. unga

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It's ok guys the draft got saved.

>>170206930
This. Tsukome and Jeno are basically 6 removal cards that can also hit face if left alone and save those evo points for alberts.

>>170207230
>can Themis a whole 2 turns before Seraph turn
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S 5 TURNS BEFORE HE CAN DROP SERAPH

>>170206234
>people actually prefer fighting retard decks that lay minions on curve and drag their attack to your face over combo decks and Daria

At least you could ward up when roach was coming or board clear Daria unless they got insanely lucky on their draw.

There is literally nothing you can do about a constant train of storm minions and one that becomes near unstoppable once they hit 9 mana. There are not enough good wards and heals in the game for the majority of classes.

Now that people see these win percents sword rates are going to spike and all we're going to see for the rest of the month is this shit.

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>>170207334

>>170207329
>Themis to reset the board on t6
>Drop a death sentence t7
>Take maybe 9 face dumping seraph
>Win

>>170206982
>pressure your opponent
>themis :^)
>shouldn't have overextended retard, play around it
>drop 1 dude
>they don't play Themis, shrug it off and play seraph

Great plan.

>>170206234
So now that basically the whole ladder is just this one Sword deck... what can I play against them?
I have aggro Blood, aggro Shadow, Seraph and Daria. What's best against them?

>>170207408
Epic, make sure to post it on reddit for us bro

>>170207334
Shhhh, let the sun satan flow through you.

>>170207431
It's even better cause you can time your tribunal, inquiry, and death sentences to fuck shit up for your seraph drop turn.

>>170206028
this card cost 6 and Albert cost 5
uh, shadowbabs?

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>butt blasted sword nigs that lose against my Otomeme deck
It's not my fault that I'm so good at memeing.

>>170207158
I'm not seeing it either. Aggro isn't going to play a 5PP 2/1 so they can play a turn 6 Temptress. It's too risky in aggro vs aggro. They'd need something better than 5 damage from hand to justify it.

>>170207142
But it's a fucking fact. Shadow had 6% play rate and it was mostly shadow aggro. Mordecai was the ultimate turn 8 do nothing.

Keep playing that victim complex havenfag.

>>170207564
>Next turn cunny has +7 def or target immunity and +2 def on top of her evo
Uh, shadowbabs?

>>170206747
After the nerf people start using control decks again which caused abusing D-shift. And counters D-shift? That's right. Albert.

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This is your starting hand for tonight.

(For real though, I wish we got some kind of bonus if you drew a trio starting hand before or after mulligan, like starting with 21 Defense)

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Best card in the game tier:-
Ancient Elf

Broken by design tier:-
Roach
D.Shift
Dorothy
Albert
Kamura

Overpowered cards:-
Phantom Howl
Levi
Ogler
Alwida's
Jeno
Dance of Death

No you fucking retards, Bahamut, Nep, Morde, Seraph, whatever late game drop you're butthurt about, isn't overpowered, they're all shit compared to the cards mentioned above. If you even humor the notion of adding a Vampire or Dragon card to that list, then you literally don't know anything about this game.

>>170206612
>Maid Leader
>Lurching Corpse
>Necroassassin
>Neph
lol

>>170207465
tempo rune
midrange sword is negative vs tempo rune on shadowlog

>>170207158
You have multiple options, aggro blood can play it turn 2 and pull a Mastema for turn 5.

For midrange and control you have Azazel but people are memeing too hard with the combos. A 6 mana 7/7 that threatens lethal with any damage in hand or any follower on board with an evolve is a strong play that immediately puts any non aggro opponent on the defensive.

You don't even need to play him turn 6, you can just drop queen and if she stays on board with a bat then you can drop Azazel and kill them with a Razory Claw. It turns any board you have into a huge threat, even without Mary combos.

>aggro bats are 52.1% in masters

wtf, shouldn't the gobu nerf have hurt them

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>>170207642
>Shadowfag talking about victim complexes
Hahaha holy shit
Why don't we ask dragon players how they feel about the current shadowcraft?

>>170207973
No, because there were tons of aggro bat deck variants that never used gobu in the first place.

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>against unga bunga
>do my best to control the board
>still lost at t6

I fucking love this game

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I hate to even post this screenshot but it's only a matter of time until the Nips start copying my deck and then every netdecking retard will suddenly be a fucking expert on how every aggro blood deck should run Squall Lancer.

He conceded after this turn.

>>170207018
>yurius
oh no i took 1 damage to the face!
>levi
forgot about him because no one plays rune anymore.

>>170207973
Rune nerf is a practically a direct buff to every aggro deck. No more triple clear on turn 4, which is auto loss.

>>170207839
>Midrange
>Using Shadowlog as reference for that deck's winrate
>>170199194

>>170208020
the bad ones

>>170207973
Why there is a shitton of other T3 plays for a bats.

>>170207904
>play baphomet instead of wolf/yurias
>play do nothing card that can't even trade with opponents evolved follower on turn 5

I don't think so anon. Control blood is more likely.

>>170207465
Daria prevented this kind of deck to perform well early on in the expansion.

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>>170207984
Don't feel bad.

I'm playing Haven to protect dragon.

Chemo sisters let's do it!!!

>>170208102
yeah dude that's why they have a 52% winrate in masters now with no change to the deck other than a nerf to a card which they didnt use
u rite

>>170208090
well, it seems that if the deck has pompous princess or princess vanguard or fencer etc it will not be considered midrange but aggro because it's clearly not that deck with a guaranteed albert and neutral followers with burn

>>170207973

There are decent aggro blood decks but alot of them have dropped all bat cards entirely.

Bats are basically dead. It makes me really sad.

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Cant be arsed, but dont want to waste their potential value.

I sat hoping there would be bahamut take two event like with DE, and now we got tempest incoming.

doshiou

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>>170207984
>29.7%
T-This is fine

>>170208057
>dragon
>goblin
>lyrial
>motherfucking SANDSTORM DRAGON
Wow, you won against that? This deck is sick.

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>>170207984

>>170208172
because their direct counter was nerfed, not because the other 3pp plays are comparable to gobu

>>170208321
>alot of them have dropped all bat cards entirely
that's the most retarded thing i have heard today

vampy + summon bloodkin is among the strongest plays blood aggro has and vampy is its best 2pp follower, night horde is very good too

>>170208057
Holy shit you won against face dragon!?

>>170207563
>sun satan

Look at those win rates, current Haven can't play their wards and heals fast enough to counter the storm spam. People could try busting out old Elana decks with some wards, but even Elana still has the problem of getting rushed down before they can get everything in motion.

Aggro sword just gets more annoying to play against every expansion as they continuously hand them all the fucking storm cards. I swear to god if they get even more storm cards in ToG I'm going to fucking lose it.

>>170208406
Those are very common on Face Dragon.

>>170208506
>heir direct counter was nerfed
What is that counter? aggroblood was good against daria and roach

>>170207984
K-khawy is b-balanced! B-but Haven! Think of the 6 gorillion banished last words! Never forget the banishcaust! A-auto loses to Aegis!

>>170207984
>Haven shat all over shadow in DE
>b-but it's ok because now they are good against that one craft that loses to absolutely everyone anyway

Dragon and shadow has the right to bitch. Even then, Dragon only loses to control shadow because of kamura and loses to everything else because it's shit. Haven as a craft fucks shadow at their core like it does to no other class. It's as if there were a dedicated class that could deal with amulets extremely well. haven isn't particularly bad against any craft more than others.

Also
>last word necro
Nice deck literally no one plays.

funnily otk elf still has a decent winrate

>>170208591
lyrial and goblin are the core, sandstorm dragon is rather bad imo but for some reason common... i run unica instead

>>170208057
Sorry to break this to you brah, but people have been experimenting Squall Lancer in aggro blood since RoB started.

>>170208623
>aggroblood was good against daria and roach
you gotta be kidding me

>>170208679
>Shadow has the right to bitch
The game didn't start at DE you fucking faggot. Guess what deck had the lowest win and play rate in standard? Haven, at 5%. Guess what deck had a cancer tier 1 aggro deck with 11 damage from hand at turn 6? Were you even playing when Cursed Soldier was nerfed? Of course you weren't, the fucking victim complex of Shadow mains is fucking astronomical, Jesus fuck stop bitching about Haven for one fucking thread.

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This game cheats, 10 loss in a row, she never even draws bad, she draws everything she needs to counter me every fucking turn! she continously pulls shit like this! anytime I destroy anything she draws it and puts it back down! anytime I clear the field two turns later its full again, and god forbid if i summon anything worthwhile she fucking slaps a spell down and kills it instantly! I just have no way to fucking stop this shit... wat do

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>>170207984
That stat is outdated by the way
It's even lower now

>>170208810
aggroblood is good against?

sword?
dragon?
haven?
shadow?

>>170206028
I want Munni as a Leader

>>170208057
your deck seems to be vengeance oriented

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FUCK YOU SWORD

WHY MUST YOU ALWAYS COME AND RUIN THE PERFECTLY BALANCED META?

>>170208897
Why are you playing aggro blood and trying to board control?

>>170208506
>that's the most retarded thing i have heard today
>vampy + summon bloodkin is among the strongest plays blood aggro has and vampy is its best 2pp follower, night horde is very good too

It's true that those are some of the strongest blood cards but blood cant reliably make that template work anymore.

A lot of people still run Vampy and Bloodkin but it's in decline right now and fortresses have almost disappeared.

>>170208897
>losing against Memes in the Sky Sword AI
Anon, I think you might just be bad.

Though to be fair AggroBlood is a really bad choice here. Try AggroShadow or CBlood.

>>170208679
>haven isn't particularly bad against any craft more than others.
What is runecraft

>>170208939
The 25% comes from this.
>ramp up HARDCORE
>satan at turn 6
its L I T T E R A L L Y the only way to win as dragon vs neph

>>170208968
t.roach shitter

>>170208406
>>170208553

You guys obviously havent run into the new Face Dragon template. It's no joke.

>>170208845
Doesn't matter what it was. We're talking about now. And now Haven is auto win cancer second only to Dshift. Really, why don't you just go play against a wall or something, makes absolutely no difference against who you drop your shitty statue.

>>170208375
Just burn them and play your best to get the jew gold. The packs are irrelevant outside of offering a few more vials for Tempest.

>>170208964

It is but there are some other tricks to it.

>>170209113
>And now Haven is auto win cancer second only to Dshift.

ahahaha both decks have abysmal winrates you fucking scrublord

>>170208968
literally what trash tier has those winrates

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>>170208939
>Literally lose 3/4 of games

>>170209001
fortresses have always been just an added extra, they were never required for vampy + bloodkin combo and lots of lists never ran them in the first place
>cant reliably make that template work anymore
???
it works the exact same
gobbu never had a 100% chance to tutor vampy because you still had 3 wolves and 3 yurius'
unless you're the retard who ran no 2pp drops but vampys and also used urd to tutor fortress, in which case dont reply to me

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>>170208939
Holy fuck. Dragon bros hold on.

>>170209091
Do you have a list? I don't have to vials for ramp, but I do have three fortes and I'm bored of my current face build.

>>170209221
It's the last shadowlog at AA.

>>170209091
>new

>>170208897
>she never even draws bad
that's true, that's how the bots work, you should expect it

>>170209221
Those are win rates in AA, apparently.

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>>170209253
>unless you're the retard who ran no 2pp drops but vampys and also used urd to tutor fortress, in which case dont reply to me

>Calls me retard.

>Thinks fortresses are tutored by Urd

>>170207984
>>170208939
We usually just call them cucks.

>>170208375
I use them for dailies on classes I have fuck all for.

>>170209404
whatever the fuck card it was then that tutors amulets
I dont care to remember it since you were the only retard that ever uses it
I also dont you to not reply

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>>170209202
/svg/ in a nutshell
>Lol decks cancer winrate means nothign if it's unfun to play against and beats only my craft you retard
>ahahaha these decks have bad winrates they're worthless/completely balanced and fine to play go suck a dick fag

Never change guys

>>170209253

The issue is that bloodkin doesn't set up the value trades you need in this meta .

>>170209202
>literally half % behind most decks that are not Sword
>abysmal

>>170209298
what face build do you even have if it doesn't run goblins...

add lyrials if you don't run them, they are good for any aggro without its own 2pp follower with a good agressive evolve effect, lyrial combos with mushu

sandstorm dragon is meh, unica is better

3x eyfas are madatory

i would pick as much burn as possible too like 3x demonic, possibly dod if you don't mind it to be tutored instead of forte

The ((((midrange))) sword deck is literally a tier 0 deck. Sword players will defend it up and down but this deck is unwinnable against if they curve perfectly, something this game has never seen before.

please PLEASE PLEASE cygames nerf this fucking deck. Here is what needs to be done.

>Albert now costs 6pp, like every fucking storm card with a 5-7 body
>Albert is now an officer, so maid leader cannot tutor him
>Awaldias command stats get switched, the storm card is 2-3 and the ward is 3-2
>Dance of death no longer does 2 damage to face
There i fixed it.

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>>170209113
why would you make a post as retarded as this when it only takes anyone in this thread a grand total of 3 seconds to look up havens winrate on shadowlog and prove you wrong

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>>170209494
>I also dont you to not reply
Dude speak english wtf

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>>170208997
When i just tried to hit her directly, she killed me way faster than i could kill her every time. What should I change here? Im still pretty new to the game Ive only done lunas story.

>>170209045
Im in the story mode.

>>170209558
what does it mean
vampy + bloodkin + evolve on vampy it's 3 face burn, 4/4 follower to trade and 3 bats on the field

>>170209113
D shift has a 44% winrate you fucking retard its literally a T3 deck

>>170209558
>ssue is that bloodkin doesn't set up the value trade
???????????

>>170209739
>doesn't have enough brain cells to fill in the gap and needs a perfectly formulated and structured english sentence for him to understand it
maybe you gotta take some more english classes wtf

>>170208591
>>170208695
wait, why? sandstorm is a textless 1/4. I could understand if it had some overflow mechanic on it, but it doesn't

>>170209091
I feel like Face Dragon is really just a shitty midrange deck. Not nearly enough removal, very susceptible to removal itself. It's not like other aggressive strategies that spread out bodies and storm face from the get go. It doesn't even have a meaningful amount of burn for extra reach.

I know why it's back - it's good against newer Forest variants (read: older Forest variants that are being played again) and very much enjoys the drop in Rune presence, but man. I could never play that when Ramp is so much better at controlling the board and delivering lethal in a single blow. Chip damage over time is for the birds.

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>tfw Daria was the true chemo and sword has no shackles now

>>170209113
>And now Haven is auto win cancer second only to Dshift
Shadow players really are the jews of shadowverse. Even in a world where Shadow has both better winrates and playrates than Haven they are still paranoid that Führer Eris will perform anudah shoah on their decks at any moment

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This is why I play aggro

>>170209631
>Dance of death no longer does 2 damage to face
So what do you give it to keep it in line with CoC and Execution?

>>170209631
>>Dance of death no longer does 2 damage to face
fuck off

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>>170209631
>Albert is now an officer, so maid leader cannot tutor him

Are you fucking kidding me

>Dance of death no longer does 2 damage to face

"Lets nerf all other aggro decks cause one midrange deck is op!"

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>Game would be fixed over night if they remove this bullshit from the game
>They won't even entertain the idea of nerfing them, even though they'll be repeat offenders forever just like Roach and D.Shift

>>170209689
>>170209803

Why do you keep thinking that winrate somehow==cancer rate.
The mechanics of the entire deck are cancerous. Just because the cancer is rare, doesn't make it not cancer.

>>170209763
I would scrap it and make a control deck if aggro doesn't work. The main story is meant to test your deckbuilding abilities. I beat all of it before I opened any packs.

>>170209897
because you are a low IQ nigger?

>>170209883
>shadow players hate their hard counter
Wow you're really smart anon
Maybe if you post it in every thread you'll start an epic meme

>>170209883
Yes because only shadow autoloses to Seraph if they don;t draw Odin, right.
Shadow is like the jews actually, everyone always blames them for everything to divert attention.

>>170209863
>Not nearly enough removal
you are kidding, right
you have 3x salamander's and also 3 dod and/or 3 blazing breath... some even use siegried

>It doesn't even have a meaningful amount of burn for extra reach.
with demonic and dod it has 15 burn

it also has a lot of storm - forte/seabrand and eyfa

>>170209898
Enhance (9) summon a storm goblin (4-1 storm)
>>170209932
Dance of death is overpowered and way too aggro favored cry more aggro nigger
>>170209936
not an argument, also every single aggro deck has over a 50% win rate and dance of death destroying huge wards is a big reason

>>170210034
To shit on havenhags

>>170209940
>Khawy in there
B1?

>>170210059
Imagine if dragon players bitched like this about shadow every fucking thread while shadow was the second worst craft in the game
Or if haven players bitched like this about rune every fucking thread while rune was the second worst craft in the game
So goddamn tiring

>New post-nerf meta
>One deck's winrate fluctuates to the top like it always would whenever a meta changes and people aren't prepared for it
>Someone records it after a week of people still complaining about Daria despite its nerf
>NERF SWORD NERF PLZ NERF NERF NERF SWORD NERF SWORD NEW CANCER I SAW A REPORT

Didn't you cucks meme that Sahaluci Ramp shits on aggro? What happened to that?

>>170209763
I would recommend playing the standard deck you get from the start to be honest. Its pretty solid against the story AI. If you don't want to do that, throw out Blood Pact, Blood Rage and Axe and replace them with cheap minions to simulate a regular AggroBlood deck.

new cards when

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>>170209631
Those are my favorite posts on /svg/, they always go like this:

>X deck is too good, it must be nerfed! if it draws perfectly, it's UNBEATABLE!
>list of ridiculous nerfs
>phew, I'm so good! There, I fixed the game!

Keep 'em coming. See how the meta changed when they slightly changed 2 cards.

>>170209798

Sure if you get the Turn 4 Vampy bloodkin dream it's great.

But if you play bloodkin by itself it usually gets sniped off the board, killed by May etc and Vampy by herself also gets very little value.

And in aggro blood you can't always afford to save two drops for the opportune moment.

>>170209949
>what I don't like is cancer : the post

>>170210197
C1?

>>170210104
>Shadow is like the jews actually, everyone always blames them for everything to divert attention.
LOL

>>170210197
>Khawy isn't easily one of the best cards in the game
>80% against Dragon is fine
D0?

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>>170209940
>people actually complain about albert

>>170210279
>if you play bloodkin by itself
how about you... don't do that?

>>170210252
>Sahaluci Ramp

Nobody takes dragon seriously. I mean they tried forcing a shit deck like JO into the game unironically.

Sword on the other hand, is a real problem.

>>170210274
>ridiculous nerfs
point out whats ridiculous about them and ill tell you why youre wrong, youre a sword nigger so its going to be hard getting thru that empty head.

>>170208784

I've seen a few people experimenting but it hasn't really caught on yet.

>>170210104
>This entire nonsensical deflection of a post
Literally could be a talmudic scholar

>>170210238
>Imagine if dragon players bitched like this about shadow every fucking thread while shadow was the second worst craft in the game
it was like that pre-gobu/PR nerf

some people went as far as to say shadow only has broken cards and thus the biggest cancer in the game

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>>170210252
Sahaluci is the worst meme. It loses against seraph, nep, aggro blood, aggro sword, dshift and more

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>>170210274
>>170209631
>>170209936

>Implying making Albert and officer is a nerf

How can you guys be so retarded?

>>170210376
>>if you play bloodkin by itself
>how about you... don't do that?

>And in aggro blood you can't always afford to save two drops for the opportune moment.

>>170210370
> >>170206234

>>170210279
>bloodkin by itself it usually gets sniped off the board
nobody runs angelic snipe anymore
usually your bloodkin survives and you use it for night horde/to hit face with evolve etc

>Vampy by herself also gets very little value
better for face damage than lyrial even when not in a combo because also gives you a bat

lyrial is better for trading though

>>170209940
>Khawy in the their for no reason
>No Satan
Kill yourself.

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Any tips for my 2378 Nep deck?
Not shown:
3x Soul Conversion
3x Bell Ringer
1x Nep

>>170210252
It does, however if they curve absolutely perfectly theres nothing saraluci (or any deck) can do about it.
>>170210513
Do you not even read your own cards sword nigger?

>>170210423
People ended up using Mastema instead mostly.
I'm not really sold on Squall lancer being good for it right now either. The situation where its useful are too nieche in my experience.

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>>170210370
>Thinking le 10 damage man is balanced

>>170210514
how about you don't do that anyway and just take the tempo loss to the chin like a champ

>play bloodkin by itself because "wuh i rly need 2 play sumthin RITE NOW!!"
>draw vampy next turn
>oops I fucked up
just because you're playing aggro doesn't mean you literally need to be shitting out cards 24/7 like a dumb unga

>>170210460
>say something negative against Haven
>b-but Dshift
>b-but it's just the angry shadowfags
>oy vey, it's like another shoa

It happens literally every time, even when the person doesn't have anything to do with shadow. They just assume he is one because it would be easier to dismiss.

>>170210586
>Satan
>complaining about a 10pp do nothing
what did he mean by this?

>>170210601
try having 3 khawy instead of 2

D shift is a tier 3 deck. There is absolutely no arguing this anymore. What is your reaction to this?

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>>170210370
>Albert is fine
>>170210586
>Satan
This is getting out of hand. Mandatory rank posting should be a thing. This isn't even about competence, these retards don't even have 50 fucking ranked games under their belt and think they know shit all about the game, I guaran-fucking-tee it.

>>170210668
>thinking 10 damage with a evo point at Turn 9! is broken
LMAO
What the hell were you doing all game that he still had a evo point?

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>>170210605
Oh no, please, make him an officer.
I'll trade a 2 drop 1/1 for making him a 6/8 when he enters turn 6

>>170210159
I'm not kidding. More than half of those cards force the player to pass turn, which means that the deck isn't making any progress toward actually winning the game unless they miraculously stuck a body by just playing shit on curve.

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How to fix this shitgame: Storm is only for dragoncraft followers.

>>170210763
What should I replace for the 3rd Khawy? Take out 1 Nep?

>If they curve perfect you can't do anything about it!

Can't you say that about LITERALLY every good aggro and combo deck? That's what being pro-active is all about.

>>170210832
I'm fine with this, it can no longer be guaranteed tutored anymore.

>>170210790
Taking face damage from storm and getting cleared by evo free rush followers?

>>170210790
yeah its not like close to every other follower in the midrange deck other than albert has either storm or rush for the very reason of not needing evolve points to attack the same turn they're played so they can safely keep one for turn 9 lol!
seriously try to understand the whole deck and how cards interact with each other before you make retarded posts like these

>>170210790
>>170210968
t. C0

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>nerf gobu because Elf could tutor Roach anytime
>oh wait Sword can the same thing but nobody was playing it because everybody were too busy to counter Roach
Truly the finest ironing.

>>170210790

You're not wrong in thinking that the enhance effect isn't broken, but sword is a deck that can reasonably trade and apply pressure without burning through their evo points like, oh say, Haven and their cudgels, lions and sledgehammers.

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Where do those Blood players even come from?

>>170210893
Wouldn't work if you don't kill D.Shift, because you just removed 90% of its counter. It would be tier 0 easily.

>>170210995
Sounds to me like you need to play more removal my friend.

>>170210651

I think Mastema would be a better card in a regular aggro blood deck. Mastema is a super underrated card.

But since I'm running Dark General with self-damage I get a lot of chances to use Lancer's vengeance ability.

>>170211031
But he's right. It's difficult to "curve perfectly" as a reactive deck because you can't always predict what your opponent will do.

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>my control sword deck sucks balls
>try an anon's control deck
Damn.... pretty good

>>170210673
>just because you're playing aggro doesn't mean you literally need to be shitting out cards 24/7 like a dumb unga

Actually, that's exactly what you need to do to win a lot of games. It's why I run the carrot man.

>>170210893
How to fix this game
Delete storm
Delete spellboost

>>170211076
Nope, d shift cannot tutor its win-con and doesnt have reliable early boardclear. It will be tier 2 instead of low tier 3

>>170211103
>play removal
>they play storm
>play removal
>they play storm
>clear with evo
>they play rush and a storm

How much more removal do I need?

>>170210920
Maybe a soul conversion or an undying resentment? Having 3 Nep is for consistency of drawing her so I would not recommend lowering her to 2

>>170211137
yeah sure people bring their best decks to unranked

Whats a good replacement for Gobu Mage in aggro shadow? Or is she still decent enough to run?

>>170211125
>But since I'm running Dark General with self-damage
I'm running DG and Flowerbed too, actually,. Its not really the chance to use the effect and more that if I go into Vengeance and don't kill my opponent right that turn, its just not gonna end well for me even if I do remove his board.

>>170211251
I never ran gobu in the first place

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>>170211264
>>170211125
Post your meme decks I wanna try this shit out

>>170211230
What storm do they play on Turn 2? Are you retarded?

>>170211247
You're acting like people don't play top tier netdecks in unranked (they do btw)

>>170211251
its even better since it may help to flood on turn 4 instead of only 5
but its not even required to the deck

>>170211204
>devs are MTG pros
>copy affinity and burn
>can't figure out how to make them not broken

It made me think.

>>170211408
Two quickbladers

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>>170211264

I like to have both options. I think in some situations it's like you say but sometimes I think it actually is better to trade.

It's almost entirely a counter to aggro mirrors.

Also, I run the Dick Sucker instead of Flowerbed. I get a ton of value from her.

>>170211246
Hmm I see makes sense. I think I'll try taking out 1 soul conversion.

>>170211407
On my end right now I'm just playing regular Blood Aggro, just with Flowerbed and Ambling as my only 1 drops to give Gobu consistency for immediate damage and help myself down into Vengeance range for Generals.
No memery to be had. Though I have quite a bit of success with it.

>>170211407
>Post your meme decks I wanna try this shit out

It's still being refined but if it actually works I'm sure Game AI will post a version.

>>170211125
Mastema can't be played in an aggro deck. Every single aggro deck works the same way :

>T1 to T4, build as fast as you can a board to get some chip damage in
>T5, get your board wiped or almost wiped (1 follower left at best), start using burn or setup burn damage (cerb) to kill on T6 or later
>T6, your board is done, it's burn/storm time, anything you'll drop that doesn't have Storm will never get to hit face ever

>>170211408
Another quickblader?
Even if they take a break to play lancer or maid, the immediately resume it with trooper, tsukome, jeno, alwida and the like.

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>>170205808
>long op
kys
>>170206612
>>170209940
>>170210197
It's the dragoncuck again

>>170207804
>dragon oracle and razory claw not OP just because blood and dragon happen to have no other good cards to round out a deck with
ok faggot

>>170211446
The faggot responsible for ruining GBF with power creep upon power creep is now director of Shadowverse. RoB and "ENJOY SHADOWVERSE" was his doing, things are only going to get worse from here on out.

>>170210832
where do i find high reolustion RoB pics?

>>170211585
>Mastema can't be played in an aggro deck.
All those aggro blood decks that play her would disagree with you.

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>>170210012
Thanks, I made a new one.

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>>170211637
ment to quote
>>170210367
not
>>170210197

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What "exciting" new cards do you think they'll come up with for ToG?

>>170211823
khawy is op, you stupid nigger

>>170211793
in the OP

>>170211937
then stop putting out your highest damage card then nigger

>>170211803
I don't mind A1 shitters disagreeing with me

Need a win for private match daily.

12133

>>170211901
More vomit board and refill hand for aggro,
More storm and rush for """midrange"""".
More burn in general.
A couple of flashy late game drops for whales and retards to divert attention from the broken tempo and combo decks.

"Enjoy Shadowverse" with Forest, Rune, or Sword on the cover with a broken, brain dead, auto pilot tier 1 aggressive deck that builds itself, because it got all the support it could possibly need in one expansion. We're YGO now boy.

>>170211821
Good job. If you haven't realized by now, in the story it's often better to just make a deck to counter whatever you're facing instead of playing an overall good deck. Though again this was my experience playing without any cards from packs.

>>170212047
>just dont play cards bro
kill yourself nigger

>>170211713

Was this a recent change or something?

>>170212158
>not trading before putting a card down

>>170212158
>I shouldn't have to think ahead for literally a single turn!

>>170212229
it wasn't a change and this dumb cunt is lying to you because he's narcissistically compelled to one-up people and feel smart

>>170211443
>>170211351
If you don't run Gobu, then what 3 drop would be used instead other than Rabbit Necro?

>>170211901
>not yurius

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This unga sword probably thought I was an idiot for taking so much damage.

Then I succ'd his dick off.

>>170212326
>just have a 5-4 card bro haha
>>170212397
>i should just do nothing for turns 6 7 and 8

>>170211901
Aegis

>>170211571
>>170211574
Thanks buds I'll try it out.
I haven't been using the Generals but combing them with Gobu + Flowbed/Ambling seems pretty sweet. What do you take out for the Goblin gurls? Right now I have Soul Devils and Veights filling up those spots and 2 Killer Devils cause her anime is cute af

>>170207583
How does otomemers work? I don't have her yet

>>170207804
What's kamura?

>>170207804
Bahamut is back for deckbuilding choice because he fucking ends you at or before your investment pays off which was the whole point of your deck
Nep is bad because it doesn't even cost an evo to drop all that shit. She's literally an evo-less Zirnitra that tutors a permanent dragon on top of a removal, heal, and misc effect
Morde is bullshit because there's very few cards that can do anything about him let alone everyone having viable tech choices to deal with him. That is the problem, that hurr just hope for 1 of 3 cards in your deck while they have 5 chances to draw or tutor him
Seraph is bullshit because there's only odin to do anything about it let alone tech choices to take
Amulet bullshit in general frustrates people because there's too few remotely playable cards that can even affect them let alone be a viable tech choice that doesn't kill you to take it and now amulet users can tutor said amulets. Even if you execute an elana the damage is already done. It's the lack of choice of options that's a big problem

>>170212437
Attendant of the Night

>>170212462
lewd

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>3 mana bronze card getting nerfed was all it took for people to start seeing sword from neing a dead class to cancer

>>170212437
Angel of the Word
Attendant of Night

>>170211901
I don't know but they'll find another way to nerf forest. Maybe by giving everyone else storm followers that ignore wards.

>>170212498

Mine is full meme with shit like Succubus, hungering horde, sadistic night and squall Lancer, but it's only a meme until it works.

>Winning a match

>Suddenly the game just closes out of nowhere and considers me as having 'forfeited' the match

Why the fuck has this been happening every fucking day since the fucking patch stop closing the fucking game on me

>>170207984
J-Just draconification b-bro....

>>170212601
People with any sense already knew it was still cancer. Netdecking bandwagon scum are stupid faggots like always

>>170212672

Are you playing on a phone version?

>>170212437
aotw / skelly knight / attendant / tenacious ghost

>>170212601
>for people to start seeing sword from neing a dead class
t. never played this game before 2 days ago

>>170212437
angel of the word
zombie buccaneer
skeleton knight
bone chimera
pick anything nigga, matchmaking and shuffle RNG will fuck you anyway

>>170212601
Explain how the Sword decks people currently plaguing the ladder would be a thing if pre nerf Daria was still around to clear their entire board while hitting face on turn 4.

>>170212498
>2 Killer Devils
S-sorry. But thats what I traded for my Gobus. I don't really run Killer Devil unless I play a full BATS deck with Midnight Vampire.
I only run 2 Flowerbeds and Gobus respectively though.

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>>170212462
>ywn get a double succ by two succubus

>>170212601
turns out that the netdeck sites calling aggro sword tier 1 weren't talking out their ass, and the problem was just that most aggro sword players are fucking idiots

>>170212664
Midrange Blood? I like the cut of your jib anon!

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>>170212601
>nerf two popular decks that prevent a strong deck from competing
>surprised when it starts shitting over everyone else because its competition is gone

If they removed Khawys and Lurching corpse from the game tomorrow you'd see the win rate of dragon jump dramatically too.

>>170213007
>midrange blood with no legendaries
shit/10

>>170210586
>>170210775
The problem with Satan is that he turns every Control deck into ''lol lets stall for satan xDD''.

>>170210668
>tyrant is 17 face through ward on t8
>Any decent board flood can double rousing or rousing luminous for 15+ on t6
>t5 leviathan is 11 face on t6
>etc.
*shrugs*

>>170212949
but the currently dominating sword deck is the midrange one, not the old aggro one.

>>170212437
Attendant is fucking dogshit, don't use him. I've been using AotW with some success, although I might switch back to Gobu to see how effective she is now, and I kinda miss her desu.

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>>170212905

Why even live?

>Most crafts have 2 usable legos
>Sword gets 4 great ones
Defend this.

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Fucking aggroblood retards Yurius is cancer as always.

>>170212724
Yes because this is a phone game you would think this is where it would fuck up the least

Ah christ now I'm tilting I was having a decent winstreak now I'm having shitty draws against retarded decks

>>170213086
Where did he say anything about no legendaries?

>>170213007

Thanks anon! It's basically an aggro hunter deck.

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>>170213029
>Daria
>nerfed

>>170213127
>attack face with attendant
>soul conversion him
>feed your reaper +1/1
>get 4/4 lich that you can instantly evolve into a 6/6 for rush through a follower that you already attacked with this turn
beginner0?

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concede mission onegai.
68523

>>170213257
Shut up, shitter.

>>170213174
>2USABLES
Anything but blood*

>>170212601
No, Piercing Rune being nerfed is the reason why this deck works now, and not before. And don't get me wrong, Daria is still favored a lot against that "midrange" sword deck. But Daria lost a lot of playrate since the nerf, so this sword deck is now allowed to shit on everyone else without having to deal with muh 20% daria playrate.
In short, what >>170213029 said.

>>170213086

What legendaries are even worth running in aggro blood? Please don't say Matriarch.

>>170211637
>complain about long OP
>post the Discord's dubcuck goddness Floral Fencer
Like clockwork.

>>170212549
She has many uses, she can bait out board clear spells, pressure your enemy to evolve shit to kill her, if you have luck and your enemy doesn't clear every guard you can use sage commander or that banner.

I like to have her around for two reasons, first one is that she is really cute,the second reason is that she can make people really salty.
I wouldn't spend the vails to craft her, alwida is probably the better card at the moment.

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>>170213320
thanks rowen!

>>170213301
Not the guy you were replying to, but I've tried running aotn before and hes pretty inconsistent in an aggro deck if you dont draw any soul conversion.

>>170213330
>No, Piercing Rune being nerfed is the reason why this deck works now, and not before.
No its not you fucking mongoloid. Its because Roach got nerfed that made people play decks again that got raped by roches which this deck is good against.
And it will drop down again when people who aren't whiny babies like you start teching and running decks that beat it instead of talking out of their ass about how broken its supposedly is.

>>170213224

Yeah the phone versions have been totally fucked since RoB. There are serious memory issues that cause it to crash some phone models in very common situations.

It's extremely lame.

>>170213197
t. A0 shitter

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You'll run out of sky knights bashing on my concrete you lesbian slut!

>>170213109
>add tsubaki to aggro sword as a sensible response to the meta shift after roach nerf
>suddenly it's "the midrange one"
cutting 2/3 drops for tsubaki is literally all that changed about aggro sword, and if you think any differently you're one of the idiot players I mentioned and you were running a garbage list for no reason other than being irrationally traumatized by daria

>>170213558
This is happening here as well.

>>170213630
kys dubcuck

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>>170210832
w-wow, albert-san is kinda hot

>>170213630
Look at that overpowered of no-wincon hand.

>>170213635
>cutting 2/3 drops for tsubaki is literally all that changed about aggro sword
Yeah except for White General, Fencer('s), Centaur, Vanguards...
But yeah except for half the cards its basically the same!

>>170210832
DELET THIS

>>170213518
Tell me what deck do you think is good against it you sword shitter? One that can also compete with other decks in the game and is not some meme shit.

>>170211137
>unranked

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>>170213397
I'm neither discord or dubcuck but short op is objectively superior.

I always post a picture to get more (You)s.

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How?

no rerolls

>>170213324
There's shit for aggro but control blood has 2 or 3 usable legos.

>>170211247
literally this
why cant you play it ranked
>>170211137

>>170213865
Daria and her follower spam.

>>170213996
Play face dragon, at least you'll go through games faster

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This is my new aggro sword since. it have albert and 1pp followers it's aggro.

note :: i need to use albert to win t9 but sill aggro

>>170213324
Queen Vampire and Bloody Mary are just fine

>>170213782

My win con is that the enemy cannot win

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I've done the dream boys.

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>>170214173
>Daria
You think one of the most played decks on ladder is the counter to aggro sword when you just said that the only reason it's win-rate is so high is because no one is "teching to counter it"

>this is the average IQ level of sword shitters

Hadn't played in a while and wnet ranked. I just beat a blood player

>assume it's aggro
>turn 2 yurius
>"yep it's aggro"
>drops a couple summon bloodkin
>veight
>happy because I have tons of taunts
>mastema
>"don't remember aggro using her but maybe things changed?"
>flood behemoth
>"?"
>Temptress face
>"????"

And then he dropped queen and I realized it was supposed to be control. Does control run summon bloodkin now or was this deck some kind of mixed abomination?

>>170214357
Grind is a legitimate tactic desu

>>170213968
>ain't because I said so
Stop that

How to fix Shadowverse: everyone starts with 10 PP.

(Overflow activates from turn 6)

post more summer time version of cards, please

>>170214205
i think i have won 5 times in a row the last time when i played unranked face dragon to get gbf forte sleeves

i don't even have forte