/domg/ Dominions General

Did the thread actually last to the post limit? I'm proud, /domg/.

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>only plays the game solo
>never tried it multiplayer
>don't want to
>still come here
I'm like a warlord attracted by a religion.

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>>170170347
I haven't gone multiplayer either. Too autistic and long term.

>>170170347
>>170170626
I find it more challenging than killing massed blobs that Ai churns out without any mage support. It's entertaining when playing impossible difficulty though because it forces you to engage some innovative strategies to keep up with the year1 100+ mass they throw at you. I guess I just like a challenge.

>>170170995
I'm well aware of the massive difference between players and AIs, but I just can't bother to learn how to play online or how to optimize my game.

I'm just too casual, I guess. Seeing me playing would probably cause the average /domg/ user a heart attack.

>>170171115

Seeing the average /domg/ user causes the average /domg/ user a heart attack.

>>170171115
You play at a level that is fun for you. No need to force anything.

>>170172360
It's fun but a little frustrating.

It's like playing with cubes as a kid, you know you can do something amazing, but you don't know what exactly.

>>170172795
Just keep trying and experimenting. Listen and read about the mechanics involved, form a hypothesis, and experiment until completion.

Just read about stuff in the manual and when you get a moment when you're going "huh, that sounds interesting if it was under different conditions..." then test that out in the field. Dom4 is like a huge, convoluted, lego sandbox where you are given random pieces that look like they don't fit together not until you get them into the right conditions and then they fit together.

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>>170173783
I remember last time I experienced. I read in the manual that a weapon reach could add up to an unit size to compensate in case the opponent is bigger.
When I experimented and managed to get a giant's eye by having my humans poking him with spears, it was hilarious. This is the kind of stuff that I love.

It would be easier to talk about borders if I knew where you are located C'tis. I don't see you anywhere yet.

Advice on fort building?
If you are self sufficient as far as troop selection goes, mostly provinces with lots of connections connections to resources heavy provinces (if you need resources)?
I heard "plain"-type provinces can also earn you quite a lot with a fort.
If you lack something like crossbows I guess that's also worth consideration, but would you drop those even on the more expensive versions (like the 14 resources ones)?

Do you ever build the more expensive forts?

>>170176196
>Advice on fort building?
Chokepoints, 2 provinces apart from another fort.

>Do you ever build the more expensive forts?
I do, but then again.
>only play solo
>on the smallest map

where last bread tia

>>170176196
as many as possible

but yeah, you can max resources by putting forts next to or on top of high res provinces and you want to fort up indy troops that you plan on dumping res into.

some nations like xib, sauro, mictlan, any freespawn nation, etc can just kinda ball up their forts if they don't need to cover specific provinces.

>>170176196
>Do you ever build the more expensive forts?

If you really need the resources for troops from better admin or are constantly hounded by enemy.

>>170176196
Is there any sense in Abysia building palisades?

>>170177128
No because they catch fire. Duh

>>170170347
>>170170626
Multiplayer is way better though, and doesn't have the problems that most multiplayer games do.

>Burden of Time
>The seal is broken and the mountain has become a clusterfuck
>two nations go AI within two turns

So, who's gonna cast Utterdark?

>>170176196
The difference between cheap forts and expensive forts is just one mage recruitment turn, so there's generally no reason not to if it's in a safe area and you're not in a desperate fight for your life where that one mage will make or break the war effort. The income difference will pay for itself and strong forts can be very difficult to crack, especially in provinces with lower supply.

>>170177464
I'm not that other guy, but I'm really curious on what problems do other multiplayer games have that dominions doesn't.

>>170177719
You have to play at the same time that other people are playing, and act quickly and in a lot of them you even have to talk to other people.

>>170177641
Bad advice. With the extra gold you are paying you could get 1/4 or 1/3 of a new fort, and why on earth would you decide you don't want ONE MORE MAGE?

>>170177772
And people stale all the time or go AI. Geez it's like I'm really playing AoE online!

>>170177772
1) you will lose to nick/malakal if you are new
2) you literally have to talk to other people unless you dont like winning
But yes, I love about dominions that I can think as slowly as I want and redo turns several times. This game is so based for slow thinkers like me

>>170177928
It's a choice between forts that stand up to prolonged sieges and forts that are basically nothing but recruitment centers. Also if you're a nation with high resource troops or if you have good scales you will get a long term benefit which costs only one turn.
Think of it as the equivalent of building roads: it's not really necessary to win, and it's not useful in the short term but the long term strategic benefits are big enough to make it worth considering if you're running a surplus.

Yes, if you are super autistic you can do the math and work out the overall cost of a wasted turn, but honestly, if you're in a position where a single mage will decide the course of the game, this is the least of your worries.

>>170178363
It's not one mage but like 10. Or do you only buile one fort in all your games? 10 more mages can literally make you win a fight. If you are losing it wont matter, but if you are either in an okay position or winning, there is no reason for wanting to have 10 less mages.

If you are in a really position, for example if you own 3 provinces and your cap and a throne and you want to stay in the game for longer or keep the throne to avoid a throne rush, I could see expensive forts being useful. But again, only in a situation where you are so fuckes that extra mages wont make a difference.

>>170179190
This, desu.
If you are in a situation where 5 mages more wont make a difference, then you are really fucked.

I'm trying to shill this game, but nobody wants to play it with me because it's expensive as fuck.

How do you set up pirated multiplayer? I heard that it's possible if you somehow use "hotseat" multiplayer over the internet.

>>170179654

There's no current pirate version. There's never been a functional crack, the "Pirate version" was a legit copy someone bought and shared.

This said, if you set up your Dom4 userdata folder on Dropbox and get it syncing and whatnot, you can send people your copy of the game, and "hotseat multiplayer" that way.

>>170179190
A strong fort can buy several turns of siege time before it gets stormed. That means mage recruitment across all of your forts which can potentially teleport in for a crucial battle. It's really a decision to make on a case-by-case basis. I only buy expensive forts when I'm already ahead and I want some insurance on my lead, and only where they will make a real difference - no point in building one far away from a the border, if it gets besieged you're probably already fucked.

>>170179654
Disabling cheat detection lets you use the same CD-key multiple times iirc, I used this back in Dom 3 when I was a broke student. The real problem is that the pirated version has no updates, so it won't work with current copies of the game.

>>170176196
It's a debated topic around here and I think the ultimate advice is It depends, as usual.

Without going into the nittygriddy of specific nation needs, there are some basic points to a fort that applies to all nations
1. choke points - consider this for enemies that try to invade your lands and cannot gain income from them because there is a fort standing in the way
2. defense - cheaper forts have smaller defense which leads to a smaller "cushion" of defenders before enemies can storm your fort. A bigger cushion of defense allows for more breathing space to put troops in before the enemy starts snowballing on there.
3. recruitment - an extra fort is where you can recruit more troops. a staple need for every nation no matter who you are (this is definitely the most important point, ignore the 3rd placement as precedence)
4. protecting high value provinces - thrones, provinces with alot of sites, certain recruitment (amazons, druids, etc).
5. income collection - if your provinces are not connected to a fort you will not receive income (I'm pretty sure). Simple, but very necessary for your nation at all time.
6. Income increase - administration, which comes from your fort, adds to more income. That's why forts are some of the best income investments rather than armies that sit there and eat up your upkeep.

I'm no expert, but those points seems to be pretty universal with all nations. Now there are some nations that ALWAYS builds fort over soldiers or visa versa, but that kind of decision is up to you.

>>170179654
>I heard that it's possible if you somehow use "hotseat" multiplayer over the internet.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=541732921

dude, slow the fucking down
I can barely make my turns in time

what about permanently make the turns take longer huh

Skeleton War, attempt number 7, soon.

>>170180869
No.

>>170176196
IT DEPENDS.

>cheap palisades/forts or more expensive forts
less money required AND the fort comes up sooner( you can recruit mages from it sooner and it's one less turn worrying about it getting attacked during construction) VS more defense in case of siege so you have more time to react.
my quickhand rule would be to build the cheapest if it's in a safe spot, build an expensive one on thrones or far away important provinces that would take me many turns to react and defend, build the cheapest that isn't a palisade ( way too shitty) otherwise.
note that expensive forts get a part of their gold cost back in admin bonuses revenue.

>I heard "plain"-type provinces can also earn you quite a lot with a fort.
fort's admin value increase the income of that province, so province with lot of population are a good place for fort.
i haven't done the math ( look up the manual if you want to) but it's a minor effect and i suppose it's not worth upgrading the fort to gain gold; i just look at it as a "you get a bit of the cost of fort and upgrades back after several turns".

>fort placement
it depends.
for nations that are not looking to keep repeat recruitment of resource heavy troops for 10 turns in a row it's ok to build clustered forts, that's for sure.
forts on thrones are necessary, high income, good gem gain provinces, chokepoints, provinces with many connections, hyperlink provinces ( pr.s. that connect to far away pr.s,) are also good targets for thrones.
i think you need to consider highly how many turns it would take you to defend/react for a war from/start a war from a certain forted/unforted province when placing them, with that in mind having forts on borders might be either really good or really bad depending on your and enemy nations.

>>170177464
>doesn't have the problems that most multiplayer games do
So there's no ERP in Dominions? Fuck that.

>>170182605
I said problems.

>>170182797
According to some, it's a problem.

What about hate mail, though?

>>170183861
I haven't encountered it.

>>170183886
So there's no shit talk?

>>170184073
Only a bit of friendly banter on occasion.

>>170184073
There's both shittalk and ERP, but you have to join elite prestige club games for it.

>>170183861

Someone post the Caelum C'tis diplomacy.

>>170170347
If the single player turns didnt start taking increasingly long amounts of time to process I think I'd play it more.

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>>170184716
What.
WHAT.

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We postin autism now?

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i have some

>>170184716
>>170185029
>>170185159
As expected from Dominions. Even the trash talk is top tier.

>>170185029
>He-Bo and his sons REMOVE ELF...
holy shit

>>170185029
>>170185159
I've seen the Caelum one before, but these are new to me.

Where's the option on the poll to extend skeleton wars for a couple months?

>>170188784
That would be...

...spooky.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ElfingAround

Shilling for this game. Every unit has stealthy 65 and glamour. Including indies, so every expansion is blind expansion!

Also for this game which is just an absolutely normal EA game
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=FastTurnsAtSnerdrynHigh

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>>170189713
>Mictlan and Xibalba already taken

Sorry friendo, but I only play AMERICAN nations

>>170189869
>24
...do you have a Bandit Keith folder?

>>170189993
>not having a Bandit Keith folder
Do you even America?

>>170189520
Fuck off el*

>>170174976

I'll send you an in-game message this turn, my man.

>>170189520
>still no ermor

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I fucked up my last game a EA Niefelheim and I'd like to try again.

So as far as research goes I'll be mostly following this and after I hit those goals try to get good spells for communions.

So basically:
>expand using small bands of giants
>sitesearch like crazy
>rush revenants and start summoning them
>try to overrun some player as soon as I run out of indies
>set up some basic bloodhunting in a way that won't hurt my income too much, in preparation for turbo communions
>try to grab Mother Oak if you have no competition for it
>get skratti thugs online and start summoning brood of gram
>get some Niefel Jarl SCs
>once you are comfortable with research start summoning draug
>stop recruiting Niefel Giants inf favour of more casters? (you should be reaching bankrupcy otherwise)
>hopefully summons/skratti thugs/turbo communions/Jarls/leftover Giants/Draug can deal with anything
>eventually add blood summons/spells to the mix
Did I forget anything obvious?

Also a bunch of things I wasn't sure about.
>Transformation
Some people recommended it for me, but it seemed to be in direct competition with Brood of Gram. Also you have way too much Gygjas at this point.
>research
Had trouble to find the sweet spot at which you stop summoning Revenants and mass deploy your Gygjas. Wasn't sure about the setups either (smaller grooups with only Skratti slaves and bigger ones with something like 8?) or what to cast.
>Forts
I had 4 forts early, but I ran mage recruitment at like half the capacity. I guess you can manage with fewer (2-3) and just cap additional forts from other players?
>Pretender
Wasn't quite sure about that full double bless, but I guess it's you best bet, even when your income will suck. Previous build had only one growth scale and 2 magic scales. I think I may drop the magic scales and get growth to 3 for much needed income and bloodhunting. It seemed like I hit most research goes very quickly and just ended up researching a lot of luxury stuff.

>>170196417
your wish is my command

>>170197981
Which double bless did you take?

>>170199597
N9E9

>>170197981
>Transformation
Don't use it. It competes with brood, yes, and more importantly items. Nature gems are likely going to be the limiting factor in terms of how many skratti thugs you can use
>Had trouble to find the sweet spot at which you stop summoning Revenants and mass deploy your Gygjas. Wasn't sure about the setups either (smaller grooups with only Skratti slaves and bigger ones with something like 8?) or what to cast.
2 Skratti slaves can support 10 gygja masters, more if you use enlarge and/or shrouds
>>170197981
>I guess you can manage with fewer (2-3) and just cap additional forts from other players?
Nah. Gold cap is a real thing, but running out of gold at only 3 forts is weird, especially for a nation with such a strong early game and lossless expansion
>I think I may drop the magic scales and get growth to 3 for much needed income and bloodhunting
Growth 3 is the first scale you take, so yes, that's a good swap

>>170199597
I assume E9N9. It's a good bless for niefel.

>>170199670
>>170199718
Is N9B9 any good on them? Reinvigoration on commanders can come from items.

>>170199775
Not really. Your sacreds are too expensive, and their individual HP is high enough that evo isn't a great answer to them anyways.

The strength bonus is normally a big part of the B bless for human sized dudes, but giants already one shot humans while having very low attack density

E9 is special in that the added prot and reduced crit makes the difference between giants taking attrition and having no losses at all or winning v losing the fight.

The reinvigoration is definitely a thing for your sacreds not building up crits against them during long fights and thug/SCing, and your sacreds are required to last for a while in a fight given their low attack density and reliance on their aura. Ex is almost as big as N9.

>>170199718
>Nature gems are likely going to be the limiting factor in terms of how many skratti thugs you can use
That's true. I ran much less Skratti then I would have liked.
>Nah. Gold cap is a real thing, but running out of gold at only 3 forts is weird, especially for a nation with such a strong early game and lossless expansion
No, I had 4 forts. At the beginning/occasionally later on I had all of them recruiting mages, but at times 1-2 of them were not getting any mages.
I think I wasn't agressive/decisive enough early on (I usually play lategame nations) which caused a cycle of stagnation.

>>170199775
It's not just the reinvigorations.
The extra armor makes niefel giants super effective early one, since nothing will be able to hurt them, sparing them from afflictions/actual losses.
Jotun Wolfs can really use that extra armor and so can Skratti.
Reinvigoration make Skratti perfect communion slaves, coupled with their high regen.

>>170200330
>I think I wasn't agressive/decisive enough early on (I usually play lategame nations) which caused a cycle of stagnation.
Passive play is a pretty big problem for some reason. I think it's partially the roleplay element of the game, and partly risk aversion since while you're losing relative to other players, it's harder to see that than to see losses. Not saying this is a thing for you, just in general I've noticed that people in every community tend to be suboptimally passive.

>Reinvigoration make Skratti perfect communion slaves, coupled with their high regen.
Reinvig actually doesn't matter for skratti batteries. They're designed to be stable when they lose HP.

>>170199718
Also is Sloth 3 doable?
Sloth 2 worked fine and I rarely recruited them at full capacity anyway.

>>170200601
It's map dependent. On the hex maps you can take sloth 3 very safely, on Leaking Lands for instance you can't since your cap is probably going to have only 3 connections.

>>170200595
>Reinvig actually doesn't matter for skratti batteries. They're designed to be stable when they lose HP.
I have no experience with them practically, but it feel like an additional safety net from having them get killed by your mages going full retard.

>>170200763
The point of a turbocom is that they last 5ever. Your mages each deal a point of damage when they cast, and you regen as much as you have masters. They're actually much safer than regular communions. They only really mess up when one of the slaves gets sniped.

>>170200742
I don't feel like I can find the points for it, unless I take something like Drain 1.

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>>170200923
Yeah, it's hard.

>>170201535
>drain
>on a nation that already suffers from bad research
Take order 0, cold 3 and magic 0

>>170201535
How does sub-cold 3 work with Niefel's cold dom spread thing?

>>170201871
It suffers from bad research because it's gold capped. Drain is a 6.7% research dip, and 5% income is more versatile in its usefulness.

Cold 2 is a 5% income drop 3/4 of the year, Order reduction is a 5% income drop year round.

Take your bad advice and go.

>>170201535
Huh, I tend to run turmoil 3 magic 3 on niefelheim. Makes revenants better, and is the ideal scales for hidden in snow - the best water dump Niefel is likely to have unless theres an Oceania wanting to trade water for nature 1 for 1.

>>170202185
Totally viable if you also run Luck 3 somehow.

>>170202037
Drain is a HUGE drop in revenants research, and taking cold 2 on a nation with ice protection 2, and ice power, is terminal retardation.

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>>170202350
>he fights inside his Dominion with a double bless

>abysia went AI in DSDS2
wew lad

>>170202460
>>170202350
The revenant thing is a good point, though. Not sure how that research hit compares to the income reduction, though, since nief is always so starved for gold

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>>170201535
I tested sloth 3 and it work fine, even if you have a cap with only 3 connections.
I really would like to take S2 on that pretender, but it means dropping your dom to 4, which I kinda dislike. So it's either dom 5 or S2.

>>170203142
Why do your god look like an oversized sex toy?

>>170203416
You should buy better sex toys.

Thoughts on moving to a tiny map and starting with these players? http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ElfingAround

>>170203606
I'm okay with it.

>>170203416
A wizard's staff has a knob on the end. That's a rock, not a cock

>>170202657
>170202657

wtf what a piece of shit

I know it's dumb, but I just like watching the AI, is there any mod or debug mode that will just let me change the seasons and look around at all the battles and standing armies as a spectator instead of being an actual player?

>>170205996
Can't you spectate in Dominions 4? I used to do it in Red Alert to get asleep.

>>170206247
wont let me start game without human player.

>>170205996
Mod in a map and a nation that starts with Eyes of God?

>>170206653
How would you set it up, a province completely shut off from the rest and the nation with eyes of god, what would be the full set up.

>>170206881
Something like that. A province completely cut off, eyes of god for free, and maybe events-100% in your dominion or something.

>>170206976
If you want to see battles, you need scouts.


>>170205996
I believe this is the mod
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h3ubziqppdaaax0/observers.zip?dl=0
You'll still need a safe place to put the observer, but that's relatively easy to do.

Can Battlefield wide enchantments stack?

A guide I was reading kept saying Curse of Stones x3 over and over again as part of a fatigue strat.

>>170212209
It's not a battlefield enchantment. It's a spell with AoE: Everything.

Certain battlefield enchants can be cast by each side, like Storm, but the precision mallus doesn't stack.

>>170212656
Ah, duh. Does it stack though? The manual doesn't state that it does

>>170214498
The effect doesn't stack, but it's MRN so multiple casts help apply it to more people

>>170185159
This is glorious. Next RP i'm gonna pull one like this. My current RP has too many untalky wizards

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Going to be playing my first Marverni game against friends .

Was wondering what you thought of this Pretender. Was going to go for forts/labs every turn for Stargazer spam, then direct to Power of the Spheres and Stellar Cascades spam. Utilizing tones of chainmail nobels and javelins.

Was thinking of possibly going lesser on Dom to raise up Astral to make it easier to make high level items supposing it gets to late game.

Archer spam seems like it will shit on me, but with 3 minor blesses, all of which are cheap to get with the monolith, I can at least transition into Boar Mothers for mid game tramples.

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>>170221532
I'd do this. You don't need too much Prod, I think, but a bless would be good for communions and freespawn boars. Magic 2 is enough to give anything in your dominion a MR malus, good enough for mindhunting.

>>170221825
How bad is Mis3? With all the stargazers, bad events should get cast out relatively regularly. I've heard YouTubers say that Mis3 is where the really terrible shit is though, and some of those events can break you. That could get me to Mag3.

>>170222198
Not worth it for Magic 3 I'd say. But I could be wrong.

>>170222198
>>170222246
In addition to province attacks, no gem events, and more other generically bad garbage, it straight up gives less income than O2 Mis 2. Never worth

>>170221825
>but a bless would be good for communions and freespawn boars
boars yeah for some HP. Communions no, because Marv doesn't do turbo coms at all and doesn't even use sacred com slaves

>>170221532
>>170221825
Both wrong

N9B9 Black Bull

>>170226712
Wrongo my friend. B9 fountaign.

[Spoiler]I would miss n9 golems tho

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How would you make TNN more interesting? Do they need to be?

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>>170230675
Is that elf smoking from a bong?

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>>170230675
That's fucking disgusting.

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>nearly 500 hours
>still don't know how to script and place armies properly

>>170231803
>20 hours in
>just figured that items were totally useless
>/domg/ says they aren't
>sometimes
>it depends
I PREFER DARK SOULS
AT LEAST I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING

>>170232374
Most items are pretty useless, except for boosters and and thug stuff.

>>170197981
overrun earlier

>>170232374
>>170232546
it depends. Any item can become useful under the right conditions.

>>170232985
Yeah but aside from those, the conditions are very rare.

>>170233040

The rarity of the conditions depend

>>170232374
Magic Boosters can often be worth the trek in research to get them as early as year 1. Some nations need to make quills in order for them to match others in early research. If there are no other water nations, ones that can get you into the water can jump-start an economy with more provience income.

I found a Fenrir's Coat on my second expansion last game. The ability to bring in wolves made it dumb easy to expand.

Magics decked out in robes of invulnerability are hilariously strong against chaff. It goes on and on. There really are only like 20 or so items you need to keep in mind. I always reference this: http://www.moddb.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/dom4-magic-path-booster-guide-by-telos

But yeah...
>It depends

Is it worth to buy this game only for the single player?

>>170233204
It'll give you a solid 40-200 hours of fun for single player. Once you figure out how the computer "thinks" though and some general efficiency, beating them is fairly routine and easy.

Human players: using deception, lying, solid focused strategies and subterfuge are were the game is at. The AI doesn't really know how to utilize these.

>>170232985
>>170233162
>It depends
I fucking hate this meme.

Especially since it makes complete sense for items to be good in a specific context.

>>170233204
No, unless you are very autistic.

>>170233418
>the AI doesn't know how to lie
Good. I fucking hate Civilizations VI because the AI in it is a massive piece of shit.
>hey can I send my units through your territory?
>okay
>oi vey surprise attack time lol

>>170176196
>I heard "plain"-type provinces can also earn you quite a lot with a fort.
It's basically irrelevant.

High-income provinces ARE worth forting, but because it makes them much harder to capture rather than because of any income boost.

>>170235873
Forts increase gold by admin value / 2 %. This means that it's preferentially worth forting higher gold provinces.

>>170236314
If you're very lucky, you might get 20 gold per turn more than an average province.

That's not worth even considering compared to resources and strategic positioning.

>>170236526
It depends on era. You can have 200+ gold provinces in LA. When you're playing a mage nation where you just need more mages out, you can preferentially fort those provinces for that bit of extra money. You're right that if I have a juicy crossbow province or somesuch that can definitely be worth forting first, but if I just need another national recruitment center for my mages I'll fort the farm first.

>>170236645
A 200 gold province, apart from being quite a lucky find even in LA, is only really about 120 gold above LA average (probably less - even swamps are often 50g in LA). Multiply the difference by the fort admin/2 (let's say citadel, so 17.5%), and you're making just about exactly what I said you would.

>if I just need another national recruitment center for my mages I'll fort the farm first.
I'd probably do so too, but 20 gold per turn wouldn't even come into it.

Breaking news, Machakans became covered in salt after stepping into the ocean.

>>170237809
Explain further

>>170232374
anything that protects or empower mages can be worth it under the right curcimstances.

anything that summons extra units is worth it to assasin/counter assasin or just bring extra power to battle.

anything that makes units fight better is bad unless you can make a single super commander able to take small mageless armies on his own, and you gotta watch out for the gem cost of the gear.

Does anyone else just find themselves starting a new nation and then playing the first 24 turns or so against the AI, deleting the game, and then starting over?

MP games move so slow, when wars break out against the AI its easy, and expansion is seemingly the most fun I have playing this.

I do love around turn 15 in MP games though...

>>170237480
2 extra dudes a turn is pretty good, and 20g is like that except more versatile. It's a micro efficiency, but little things can add up.

>>170240045

Ah, but bear in mind you're also PAYING more and taking one more turn to build that better fort. It might be a while before you even break even on it.

Are there any graphics packs you guys use to update a few of the models? Either Worthy Heroes or Summod comes with changes for the barbarians I really liked.

>>170246094
I use a purely ASCII graphic pack for extra autism

>>170232374
Most are useless because of price, they waste too many gems on something that may not be worth that much.

>>170240045
Micro-optimizing is bad if you end up ignoring places where you could make major optimizations in the process.

All things equal having a fort on a high income province is better, but you could often easily get double resources by putting it somewhere else, or you could make yourself harder to attack by covering chokepoints and strategic locations, or you could defend a province with high gem income.

Money is the absolute last thing you should be optimizing forts for, and I've never run into a situation where I had to get down to that to decide where to put a fort.

>2 extra dudes a turn is pretty good
20g income isn't two extra dudes per turn for long, because they start costing upkeep (around 2 gold per 3). That's also in around the best case scenario you're likely to find - in most cases the difference in income will be much lower.

>>170245624
He wasn't saying you should build more expensive forts, just you should build the same fort you were already planning, but on a farm so you get marginally more income.

I was the one who brought up citadels, mainly to show how small the income boost from forts is.

How good is B9 monobless Nazca with O3P2C1G3Magic1? More money for more supaya reanimators seems pretty solid to me

>>170230675
Throw in more Irish spirits. Like a flaming guy who puts everyone to sleep with music or a giant who is invulnerable except for a mole on his hand or a witch who gives the entire enemy army menstrual cramps.

>>170248657
Couldn't you be rid of the production and get minor D to make them sturdier?

>>170239954
all strategy games get less exciting after the first turns because you get less surprises and you have to spend more time for less action.
Wars can still be pretty fun in dominions, look up to those.

also
>playing AI
>expecting it to be worth anything after turn 15.

>>170249590
Nah, the prod is for auc runa spearmen to expand bigly. A minor D isn't great

DontStaleDesuSempai3 host. Next time you host something instead of writing a novel on the game description put the links of shit you use etc.

>>170249624
Have you tried human warriors?

At 3 resources each they're quite easy to fill up expansion parties with (also mountain recruit), and you can switch to fliers after you have more resources from your capring.

>>170248657
take f9 it is the best monobless for nascar

>>170250895
Not him but they're all on llama.

>>170185029
>>170185159
Someone post the Yomi snake one

shilling this
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=FastTurnsAtSnerdrynHigh
EA, summod
6/9 players

join this game please

it will be a terrible time for everyone

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ElfingAround

i went ai in all my games because i wanted to an hero but here i am, again, looking for a game. god i hate myself

>>170253701
Fuck off

>>170255932
but anon

if everyone is an e*f

then no one is

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>when your communions routs a bigger communion

>>170257121
>filename not "when your legs are ok"

Not like this

>>170255789
we all share the same struggle anon.

>>170260013
Fuck you, I'm casting Burden of Time on this thread.

>>170255789
But we love you, anon!
Why would you seppuku yourself?

>>170257121
>when you crush a rebellion

Are tomb wyrms worth a bless?

>>170261658
yes. Not because they're good, but because you animate hunnerds of em

>>170261658
Of course. N9B9 is especially strong on them. Just check their MR and health. And you get them for free too.

>>170261748
But anything is good with two full blessings.

>>170262651
Nations without good sacreds aren't.

>>170264027
What do sacred have to do with blessings?

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>>170264107
>what do the only units that can be blessed have to do with blessings?

>>170255789

Abysia?

How much fire resist does a thug want to have against abyssian troops? Is 5 enough?

>>170264937
Against the troops, yes. Against the inevitable fire elemental spam, hell fucking no.

I planned to grab one of those Swamp provinces myself, but I guess it's fine.
I'll be taking (39) and (52).

is seeking arrow insta kill or it has a set damage?

>>170265660

The damage is like a regular arrow which is why you should spam them.

>>170265660
Base damage influenced by DRN? Check the manual m8.
Might kill or afflict human hp troops (especially mages). Not very effective against heavily armored or superhuman HP.

>>170265660
It is 8 AN damage with a DRN.

Either use a single one to kill squishy mages maybe, or use a fuckload of them to kill overgeared SCs (15 of them on average kill a Seraph easily, and is way less gems spent that the Seraph was).

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Which era were people happiest in?

>>170270046
The End Time.

>>170270046
EA probably. MA has ermor and asphodel killing everyone just by being nearby and R'lyeh crash landing and enslaving everyone UW, while LA has blood everywhere, lemuria killing everyone by being nearby and R'lyeh making people go crazy while still enslaving people.

>>170270046
For Jomon, it's LA. In EA and MA, they're subjuggated by onis and other shits.

>>170270610
How the fuck did they even get subjugated by bakemono in the first place?

>>170270696

Bakemono are the original inhabitants.

>>170270795
That didnt really help the agarthans or abyssians and those are races that are actually stronger than humans unlike shitty jap goblins.

>>170271117

Yeah but those guys died later. I'm saying at the time of EA the human bandits are recent migrants.

>>170270696
Bakemono can have super human strength and intellect, they just tend towards being tiny dumbasses

>>170271424
What are Bakemono? Is it an entire species like youkais, or is it specific?

>>170272254
Arent they just Japanese versions of goblins like the Vaetti?

>>170274032
The fuck a vaetti?

>>170274082
Nordic goburin

>>170274082
Norse goblins from jotunheim.

>>170274082
lurk more

>>170272254
This maybe?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obake

>>170274116
>>170274152
Oh, nordic bullshit.

>>170265748

It's really fucking not. It's Armour Negating.

>>170265660
It would be insta kill if it was fired from a magical crossbow. Bows and arrows are for fags.

>FastTurnsAtSnerdrynHigh
Do we really want to play on this weird map?

What's the usual strategy for EA Ctis?

>>170278424
Spam skellington.

>>170277948
>the only good map
>weird

Ok, so Lambert says that there's still a way to save the game.

Apparently, all of you should search for a commander named Saoluthi and stop him from ruining the game. I'm not fucking kidding. A single commander casting horde of skeletons is apparently making skeleton wars stale indefinitely. Just let him research or something.

>>170277948
It's not Fast Turns at Hexawyr High, now is it?

hey guys who's the admin of newbaria? Gotta get in contact with him.

>>170278424
horde of skeleton + foul vapors.

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>30 hours in the game
>finally understood that blessings only work on sacred units
I'm hesitating between committing sudoku and uninstalling that embarassing game forever.

>>170279407
I found a saoluthi, but he's a mound king, so I don't think he's spamming anything.

None of my dusk elders are named that though - or spectators.

>>170280576
Apparently, it's a common name for skellingtons. Just make sure he stays out of harm, okay? He's too important.

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>>170280534
>30 hours in
I consider myself a mediocre player.

>>170253701
Elf Ctis is in now. Stay out of my swamp.

>>170280134
TNN.
email is [email protected]

die

>>170283261
I will make sure of this.

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>>170284204

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i will make it all stop

>>170287862
>using a CRT monitor
>2011+6
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

>>170280741
I just can't seem to progress in this game. It's like trying to climb a mountain when you can only crawl.

I hate ichtyids!

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>>170292457

Would /domg/ be interested in 3vs3 disciple game?
Age, map and mods can be easily discussed.

>>170226712
>>170229747
N9 is ar more essential than B9. B9 on boars is fun but as common as an N9 bless is, the odds of someone casting Master Animal Friendship to take advantage of you boars shit MR is very high. But that doesn't make them any less frustrating for your enemies in midgame.

The N9 is just far more valuable as you'll want it on Golems to replace your lack of a National Thug chasis. The B9 is still viable, but the biggest drawback to it is that it limits GoH spam from your mages. Any E2/S1 you have will find a way to hit a boar and kill himself once he goes off script.

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What's the point of an Amulet of Antimagic on a Black Servant holding a Bane Venom Charm?

>>170294245
Wait, golems are sacred?

>>170232546
And research items are only worthwhile if you rush for them earlygame. The benefits last for how long they are used for, so what the fuck is the point of the Con 6 skull mentor? By that midgame point gems should find their way on the battlefield, not helping you get late game magic 0.0001 turns faster.

Don't be too obsessed with boosters, remember if your plan is based around a battlefield spell, remember you can simply use gems to boost your path level exactly 1 point, any more are used for path reduction, and next round you can boost again.

If you are overwhelmed, just autistically base everything around 1 midgame plan: some spells you can cast reliably and cost-effectively. Improvisitation will take experience.

Hey /domg/ tell me everything you know about kurple.

>>170294520
Shroud of the Battle Saint automatically blesses most things that you slap it on. I'm not sure if that actually makes the unit sacred but it will give it your N9.

>>170294763
Ah, that's smart

>>170294520
No but you can give them "Shroud of The Battle Saint" which blesses them as if they were.

>>170294441
MR to counter Mind Hunt to counter the fact theres a stealthy unit lowkey spreading disease in your province

>>170294723
Some random guy who hosts games. Why?

>>170294613
>what's the point of construction 6 research boosters
>he's never seen lanterns

>>170294763
So it's like a free blessing? But can it make units sacred?

>>170295414

Looking for intel.

>>170293956
I'm definitely interested. Don't know that I can give a stronger response than that.

>>170295818
Unlike Crix, he's not a backstabbing cunt.

>>170294763
>>170295816
We can try testing it but I'm 99% sure Shroud doesn't make the unit sacred. It skips that step straight to Blessed. I'm basing this on some testing I did with the Immaculate Shield and the Ark. Immaculate Shield blesses a unit but does not make it sacred and therefore immune to the Ark's effects.

>>170295743
Anyone got the the graph for Abysia's research after const 6?

>>170296147
I didn't even know there was an Ark in Dominions.

Now I want to watch Indiana Jones. Do they even explain in the movie why it kills everyone and how Jones knew how to avoid it?

>>170294818
It's actually very clever because golems do not regenerate with limited regeneration items.

>>170295816
>>170296147
I'm looking at a guy with a shroud now and he's missing the sacred icon. His upkeep is also identical to his non-blessed mundane friends.

>>170284204
>Saoluthi realises that he is but a cog in a machine, a spectator in a meme game where everyone is Ermor, and that he is destined to end up as little more than a skelespammer
>No. He refuses.
>He gathers his magic
>He does not aim at the enemy
>He does not seem to be aiming at anything, in fact
>And yet, he knows exactly what to do
>He reaches through reality, through the machine code that is the fabric of his existence
>Saoluthi casts Decay
>Llamaserver has died of old age

>>170296464
That shroud sounds pretty useful. I guess it's a construction 9 item? All the fun stuff are high levelled. At low level, you only get little shit like a spear who's a bit faster.

>>170296348
It happens twice in the books of Samuel in the hebrew old testament
First god wrecks 70 dudes for looking into it and later he makes a guy explode because he touched it
Guess what book a historian might read that notoriously anti-semitic Nazi's wouldn't

>>170296974
But it's never said in the movie. That part always bothered me.

That, and how did he survive the submarine?

>>170296921
Its construction 4 and only needs S1 and 5 gems.

>>170296921
lol it's like con4 or 6. Read the manual.

>>170296840
One commander who breaks the game in every timeline that he appears in.

Out of spite for his simulated reality, he tears down the walls and kills the universe, resetting the timeline so that he can do it all again. His intention? To punish the demiurges who play with his world like he is a pawn.

>>170297070
I haven't actually seen the movie in ages so I dont remember that part. I dont think its really a big enough problem to be annoyed over, especially when it has an explanation that makes sense.

You should really just assume that if you mess with anything out of the old testament god is going to fuck your shit up.

>>170297426
It just bothers me, because if it wasn't for these two things, the movie would pretty much be perfect.

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>>170295743
>>170296167
But for the research to spike the RIGHT after con 6 means you had to hoard fire gems, which means you aren't as powerful on the battlefield, which means you lose out on more throughout the game through attrition (more dps ending the battle quicker and more summons tanking damage, gem boosts to cast higher level spell etc.)

Its sispyhean to spend gems on more research if you dont stop at some point. You could just kill another player and with that money afford upkeep for more mages and have more forts under your control giving you the time and the means to get to 7-9

>>170297972
Nigger, Abysia is literally drowning in fire gems. By the time you get to const 6 you should have plenty of fires in jars of your elementals. For five fire gems you get more research than you get from a 135 gold warlock.

>>170297972
>>170298416
And if you are not Abysia just use other spells. Fire is pretty weak anyway.

>>170297748
He avoids looking directly at the ark.
I believe he even yells "don't look *female co-star*"

I may be one of those scrubs that couldnt expand and got bullied to death
At least I got this
P.S.: Never thought divine channeling was shit, and never try to thug your naked bacab

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>>170299335
tru scrubbies forget pic related

>>170299542
You got what you deserved you fucking bastard. Anyone who plays elfs, bats/birds or giants deserve to die

>>170300502
even summod xibalba ?

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>>170300502
Unrest: 200

>>170300502
Summod Xibalba is still retarded, it's just not 'Could reasonably take on five people at once from turn 20'

>>170300706
Specially summod xibalba

>got all my research goals
>not enough gem income for level 9 research
time to send my entire mage corps to the front

it's all or nothing boys

You think you can stop me just by not allowing me to cast?

Easiest way to take down a Monolith/Watcher Level 3 throne? Everything I send, even if it has lightning resist, gets worn down eventually

>>170305562
Just get an S9 mage with max pen and chain cast master enslave

>>170305562
1 (One) Tartarian with a Ring of Tamed Lightning, an Elemental Armour, and any source of regeneration.

If you have no access to Tartarians, a Golem will probably function just as well, but might require more gear.

>>170306326
>Just

>>170305562
What else does the throne have guarding it? Quickened guys with lightning resist and gate cleavers or smashers should take care of a rock. You can cheese spring hawks by making them auto-rout with someone that's immune to them and doesn't run away (have a spell caster pass out, for example). Other units are trickier.

>>170301216
I find that a shit pretender build, having 2 provinces turn 5, and no bless to be a reasonable balance point for Xibalba.

Just have a retard play the first half year (including pretender creation) and Xibalba is finally balanced.

>>170307458
A bunch of militia and 25 watchers. The monolith is behind the watchers. Its year 3 in my game. Playing EA Ulm

Fuck's sake

Stale thread

>>170299542
I'm a noob here how did you win that battle without half the number of army? What kind of magic and scripting did you use?

>>170313336
Give thugs smashers.

Sandeth is OP. Prove me wrong.

>DSDS3 restart
>my start position is fucking shit now
RESTART

How does one get that "all units are sacred" mod to work?

>>170324263
Like any other mod?

If you want to combine it with summod or ME, just make sure that it's last in the mod order and it'll make the new stuff sacred too

>>170324508
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2337

It's just a text file, though. I don't know how to work with this.

>>170323363
You win some you lose some started somewhere shitty too.

>>170324792
dm files are all text files. Just right click, save as.

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>>170325471
Thanks, anon.

Post your Vanarus builds and why it's the best MA nation
Vanarus is the best MA nation.

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>>170328064
Chud Hirdmen are dope.

>>170328359
That looks like a bogarus build

Any reason you take an awake on MA rus? Their expansion seems very strong already

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>>170328064
Great research.

>>170328445
Sometimes you want to expand even harder.

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>>170328064
Almost full magic diversity.

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>>170328064
Lots of crosspaths on recruitable mages.

>>170328720
Why drain?

>>170328769
Sages have incredibly high research already and you're pretty much guaranteed to have the best research in game. Drain1 only owers Sages' research by ~6,7% while allowing you to take a money scale instead (and you need them since Vanarus is very gold-hungry).

>>170328359
E3 is enough for Earth Boots (Vanarus has no recruitable E2s), even if the snek dies. Can probably take a lower dominion, but dom9 expansion is a bit safer.

>>170328493
A4 for Air boosters and Storm Staves for your Storm Demon armies. Earth for Boots. A/E gives you an Elemental Staff. With boosters, he can cast all A, E and N spells.

>>170328617
Air boosters/staves. Astral access and high Death for easy Vampire Lords and Tartarians. Odin is super expensive though, not sure if it's worth it.

>>170328720
Scales build. F3 gives you Flame Helmet with Skull of Fire, A4 for Air boosters/staves.

The odin build fills out all of rus's missing magic, but it's super greedy

>>170320735
H4 priests used Word of Power on my pretender to freeze him and then big blessed units overwhelmed my tower guards. Tower Guards shit on conventional infantry but can't do much against big magical stuff. B9 means that hitting them with crossbows kills the user while N9 makes them impossible to wear-down without overwhelming force, which I didn't have.

>>170331538
It was a cave battle, too. -3 to combat stats is p brutal.

>>170331538
that many crossbows should dick on that few units, though

>>170332994
First few volleys were awkwardly distributed among outlying groups of chaff while the big blessed stuff needs to be hit by a whole pile of damage all at once to die.

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>>170332994

>>170333052
>20 good sacreds

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>>170333356

>>170333397
Ramsay the Innovator

>>170335724
Ever think they'll add #ageshape?

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>>170335786
>Agartha casting BoT to turn its pale ones into ancient ones
>Polypal Spawn growing into mindblasters
>Some small percentage of Vaetti turn into hags

>>170335875
>Drakes becoming dragons.

>>170336887
Not sure that's a thing

>>170336887
>Demiliches becoming full grown up Liches

>>170337034
More like >Liches decide to sacrifice most of their body for yet more power or >Liches turn into Demiliches after too many times being chopped up

>>170337082
Demiliches are the children of Liches, you fool. When a Lich boy and a Lich girl love each other...
But we can't tell this in a christian image board.

Demiliches are bunnies

>>170337429
You're a bunny, you fucking bitchboi.

>>170305562
1. Thugs with armor negating damage
2. Spam air elementals
3. If its astral is low enough, you can try mind duelling it

>>170294723
he's an actual idiot

>>170294723
He is either a genuine beginner who just likes to host games or an alt

>>170335875
>Atlantians turn into shamblers

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>Hastati turning into Principes
>Principes turning into Triarii

>>170335875
>Sprites turning into faerie queens

>>170341835

Hoplite/Hypaspist Commanders turning into Strategoi?

>>170335875
>Magma children turning into Magma adults

>>170341835
Wouldn't they just be older Hastati? For them to become actual Principe equivalents they'd need the years of experience that they have, not just the years of raw age.

>>170342413

Fair point. It's legit for atlanteans and pale ones though.

>>170333052
E9N9B9 Sentinels are a massive pain in the ass to counter.

Olathe hosting when?

Autosage.

>>170328617
>>170329582
I was always of the opinion that Odin was such a ridiculously expensive chasis because of the insanely good SC paths on a flying/sailing/stealthy/glamoured unit. Soul Drain alone is good, but early on you can throw mistform with body ethereal for some decent SC lite action till you get access to soul vortex and soul drain. Definitely not the best pretender for larger games where he can't be everywhere at once, but crazy strong in smaller games.

>>170337190
THIS IS A BLUE BOARD ANON MOOOOOOOOOODS

>>170345808
And he still dies to Magic Duel, if you don't invest a ton of points into S.

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>>170337190

>>170335875
Druids turn to Elder Druids instead of turning into old senile useless shits

Wyverns turn into dragons

So EA C'tis is just skelingtons and palisades? There are no Snek waifus?

>>170346987

Snek Waifus are Patala. C'tis just has lizardgirls.

Age of the Mage game when?
>Mod Nations
>Only troops are basic human indies
>Only mage chassis is a slightly stronger human
>Every nation has access to a 2x of all paths and 2? recruit anywhere for cross paths.
>every nation has a5? StR cap only mage, and 3/4? StR recruit anywhere
>Pure skill/strategy of an equal playing field with all the variety of the different magic paths.

Game: FastTurnsAtSnerdrynHigh
Early Age, max 9 players
Players so far: 7

Map: Snerdryn1.1_nostart2
Mods: Worthy Heroes 5.8, Summod 0.77

Nations joined so far:
Mictlan
Yomi
Sauromatia
Xibalba
Marverni
Helheim
Niefelheim


http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=FastTurnsAtSnerdrynHigh

>>170351545
>pure skill
>all the rng of who gets good Indies and good crosspaths
Yeah sure buddy 'skill'

>>170351545

It would be better to offer X2 mage of every type and a 1 path in every path mage to everyone

>>170356118

That immediately just turns into "Who can script the best communions"

>>170356621

Communions suck dick tho why would you bother?

>>170356941
I take it you never played online.

>>170357734

Stop talking out of your ass. Communions are a newb mistake. They rely on a doom ball tactics and thats a waste of resources.

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>>170356941
>Communions suck dick

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>>170356941
>Communions suck dick

>>170358010
>>170358071

I can use two mages as well as you can use 40. Get good.

>>170358128
Where did you get two X9 mages?

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>>170356941
>Communion suck dick

>>170358204

Why would you need X9 mages at all?

>>170358128
late game buffs are broken as fuck

you will be hard pressed to reach x5 or x6

and then the mage dies because there's always a counter to your shit

>>170358010
>>170358071
>>170358221
>RoS intensifies