XCOM General - /xcg/

pistols are useful

>>169824213
pistols are for faggots

>>169824521
Not in lw2

>>169825372
machine pistols

>>169825090
Whoa anon, try not to suck any dick on the way to your next post.

>>169825372
>t. doesn't take advantage of AWC

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>>169825090
Said no one ever after being shot.

body shield vs. damage control for shinobi?

>>169824213
>posting the EU carapace with boobplate

>>169825559
But dick is so delicious...

>>169825559
t. wastes time and utility slot for pistol usage

What class is better served by pistols than their native primary secondary or utility items?

I feel like nanoscale is almost mandatory in lw2 with smaller squads.

>>169826237
Why in the shit would you put a tank PCS on a Shinobi in the first place, you big dummy?

>>169826630
Any of them actually. The AWC perks bring things that no other class has (but every class has because of the AWC).
I sniper can't fight at close range. Unless he has a pistol. An assault can't use a shotgun at mid-long range. But he can with a pistol. A ranger can't attack multiple targets or take multiple shots after moving. Unless he has a pistol. Technicals want to focus on their rockets or flamethrowers by perks, so their shooting is pretty weak and they aren't to good at range besides their rocket. But they can be better with a pistol.
Pistols ok.

>>169827075
DON'T YELL AT ME
they get shot a lot man, something to do with trying to kill enemies with swords in 2035. need something to protect them.

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>>169825090

AYY supporter right there and there.

I haven't seen advent gunners in a while should I reinstall my game?

>>169830921

You see everything else? Maybe the AI is dead set on the other units and is not 'wasting' resources on them at the moment.

>>169830921
Could just be that they aren't spawning. Happens sometimes. I went an entire campaign and only saw a single Berserker once.

>>169832290
>>169832047
Ah okay. I was about to do some cleaning but I do see the other troops. My first play through was filled with gunners and officers.

>>169832994
The game's rules for spawning enemies are arcane and complex. Probably just that it isn't meeting the criteria to spawn gunners right now. They'll show up again at some point. Just have patience. If you go an entire campaign without seeing them, that's a little odd and you might want to bug report it (here assuming LW2, of course).

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ayyy

>>169833937
motherfucking sectoid commanders

>>169833937
That's alot of ayys

>>169833937
How? Did you just overwatch camp while a pod of sectoids decided to create the apocalypse?

>>169835658
sectoid commander's can mass resurrect from the fog

>>169835896
LW2 or some other mod?

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>>169835991
Yeah it's long dong 2

>>169827098
>An assault can't use a shotgun at mid-long range
blatantly false, at mid ranges the shotgun has even better aim than pistol
>A ranger can't attack multiple targets or take multiple shots after moving
when I realized you were baitposting
>But [technicals] can be better with a pistol.
they can't, nothing makes technicals good except the more rockets mod

I use pistols but it's only ever for guys that need to maximize their cool

>>169836665
>blatantly false
Pretty sure it's not. Shotguns are less accurate in LW2 than in vanilla, otherwise I would agree
>when I realized you were baitposting
They literally can't. Rapid-fire is single target, kill-zone is reaction fire.

>>169837212
actually the range bonuses are unchanged from vanilla

>>169837440
Are they? Guess I'll have to check on that.

>>169837212
>They literally can't. Rapid-fire is single target, kill-zone is reaction fire.
Maybe you weren't baitposting but I still think you are.

Ever vigilant + rapid reaction is literally moving and then taking multiple shots, as for attacking multiple targets that's literally light 'em up, their very first ability.

>>169837945
>light em' up
>when I expressly said moving and then shooting
Come one anon. And once again reaction fire is not the same thing. I don't know how you get baitposting out of a post that has one thing wrong. Just face it, pistols are useful. Of course no one is gonna challenge the sniper point either because it's pretty obvious.

>>169838303
Misread your sentence structure, but as for shooting multiple targets after moving, you can go right back to ever vigilant + rapid reaction. I'm guessing you haven't built an overwatch ranger ever and fell for the crit infantry meme. You say reaction fire isn't the same thing, you're only right about that in the sense that it is actually better than ordered shots.

Didn't contest sniper pistols because they don't need a third utility slot or the +1 mob.

>>169839363
>you're only right about that in the sense that it is actually better than ordered shots.
Nah. Nothing meme about critfanty.

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>it's a "defend the AO until firebrand can return" episode

>>169838303
If your sniper has to use the pistol, you've already fucked up

I guess an exception could be made for a holotargeting officer + pistol perks, but even, their action economy should be used on buffs/debuffs, not things like faceoff or gunslinger.

Personally, I don't use my squad in a way that necessitates pistol usage for any situation, but i get that playstyles are different

>>169839721
critfantry's role is better served by snipers or assaults or gunners, IMO. A good OW built infantry can flank pods by dashing, go into auto-ow and then murder them when they move.

Slap dragon rounds on that motherfucker and watch the fireworks.

>>169840613
>squad of death incoming
>squad of death incoming
>rapesquad inc

Stop I just want to preserve my squad at this point

>>169841346
>if things go perfectly you won't need it
Well good thing this is xcom then

>>169841491
Perhaps.

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>>169826275

Is there a problem with that? I can always post Air Game with no problems whatsoever.

>>169841882
>sniper is within range penalty distance of enemies
>saying 'THATS XCOM BBY'

Positioning your squad is something you've got a lot of control over. Unless reinforcements are dropping on your sniper, you have no excuse for that situation.

>>169842315
>Enemies run up at "CLOSE RANGE"
>Reinforcements drop right on your asss
>Melee units
>Drones
>Dude lmao just play better
You never blame the game for your own shortcomings, or for getting a bit of bad luck thrown your way. But that's not the same thing as acknowledging that things go wrong, when you don't play optimally, and even when you do play optimally.
This is just the medic/medkits argument all over again.

>you have no excuse for the sitation
Why do I need an excuse? Things didn't go as planned, now my sniper has pistol to solve this problem.

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>>169840613

OMAKASE~

>>169840613

Just got one of those. Got two Sectopod.. pods. Fortunately it went well. First one, my gunner went all Cyclic Fire on and wrecked it. Second one went down to Reaction fire, surprisingly enough. Normally everyone misses those shots.

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>>169846950
Haven defense missions always end with me hating my troops because of how shitty they are at killing incoming reinforcements with their overwatches.
>Evac was placed on the flat roof of a warehouse.
>Place troops on the edges of the roof behind cover.
>Every single turn the reinforcements land directly on the evac zone on top of the roof.
>Every single man misses his reaction shot against a bunch of Advent troopers running directly past them with no cover.

>>169848272
>>Evac was placed on the flat roof of a warehouse.

You are lucky they didn't blow the evac zone up.

>>169850641
I was "lucky" enough that most of the ayys were Vipers, Berserkers and Sentries/Lancers.

I think XCOM2 needs an expansion PLUS Long War2
in at least a somewhat balanced state like what the original Long War is now.

EW Long War still feels so much more atmospheric.

The only thing XCOM2 did was made it look "pretty" also pistols
are finally useful.

>>169842150
NO

NO AIR GAME

Current OP is great

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Scout Master Sargent, first one of the Campaign.

Normally I think I prefer Vital Point Targeting, but 4 HP is really god damn low, so she pretty badly needs Extra Conditioning.

>>169843606
Don't tell me this is a loss edit of a KSP Firebrand

>>169856269
>The only thing XCOM2 did was made it look "pretty" also pistols
>are finally useful.
X2 did alot more than that. The customization is substantial and should not be discounted as "just cosmetic." The moddability is a tremendous leap forward. I know some people bitch about the DLC, but it was way more substantial than X1 DLC. I maintain that generated maps are a step forward. It's really the usual step forward, step backwards kind of stuff.
Also pistols have always been useful, no dedicated class necessary.

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>>169856812
Let's be real here, the DLC is just a little bit less substantial than Slingshot or Progeny (granted Progeny was included in EW after fan backlash - a good thing too considering you get four free psions.)

>>169856812
>are a step forward. It's really the usual step forward, step backwards kind of stuff.

I would have preferred no floor destruction at all since the extra LOS bugs are not
worth it. Floor breaches sounded fun but the LOS is so broken now I don't even
think it's possible to fix it.

I'm not saying XCOM2 is bad by a long shot, it's just that it needs atmosphere
from the music and ambience and way more discoverable ayy types.
I would have preferred RNG ayy types than maps and just have a
map editor for people to make more along with random LZ which
proved to be just enough in Long War with its set maps let alone if more
could be made.

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>>169857290
>>169856269

>atmosphere buzzword

>>169857218
>the DLC is just a little bit less substantial than Slingshot or Progeny
I don't know if I agree with that.

>>169857290
>I would have preferred no floor destruction at all since the extra LOS bugs are not
worth it
I don't think those two are actually connected. Maybe they are, but wall los breaks regularly as well.
Regardless, LOS definitely needs to be fixed for the expansion. It's the most basic mechanic the player has to depend on to actually play the game properly.

>>169857218

>Let's be real here, the DLC is just a little bit less substantial than Slingshot or Progeny

No way fag, the Xcom2 DLCs are way better.

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>>169856548

Pretty happy with that level up since I got the HP.

I also don't know if I regret Bring 'Em On instead of Sprinter. It feels strange getting BEO without Aggression, but getting *two* free Battle Scanners is pretty incredibly useful.

How do you guys recommend building Scouts? I usually use them as backup Snipers. I think maybe Concealment+Sprinter could possibly be better than the extra Dakka lategame (especially if they are not Officer material).

>>169857741
Concealment scouts with low profile, battlescanners, and sprinters is good.

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>>169857404
Hello buzzword anon

>>169857963

Low Profile doesn't work with Ranger though. I feel I would rather have Ranger, but then again I imagine I would use my scouts differently as Concealment Scouts as more Frontline soliders.

>>169858289
>I imagine I would use my scouts differently as Concealment Scouts as more Frontline soliders.
This pretty much.
Concealment scouts give permanent first strike capabilities with either a sniper or rocketeer.

>>169857741

Hey, looks like I am not the only one playing the old xcom.

>>169858381

Ah, right. And Concealment would probably mean I wouldn't *need* Battlescanners.

>>169857218
Mods/hair? Also upload character she looks cute :3c

>>169858680
>I wouldn't *need* Battlescanners.
Eh, I would still take them. But that's just me.

>>169824213
Meta Xcom when /xcg/ ? I want mutated nigh superhuman xcommers.

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First Pathfinder of the Campaign. He wasn't *terrible*, but I have plenty of Scouts and he was only at +2 Aim at TSGT.

Hope this guy rolls well.

I don't know what I want to build him as though.

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>>169859874

Fuck. Why is it so hard to choose what I want.

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I have a bad feeling about the next turn boys.

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>>169860862

God Bless Rockets, and Command for that matter.

So is there some mod that tells you exactly where on the map your crit wounded soldier is?

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>>169861021

X-Ray Neutralized.

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>>169858734
My recreation of Annette Durand from EW

All vanilla

>>169861359
that xwynnns guy has one he uses, not sure what it's called but he put up his modlist

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=854025793%EF%BB%BF

>>169861994
>>169861359
ah yes here it is

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=636724652

>>169861994
>>169862162
Youre a good fucking guy, ive been reloading the same save over and over looking for it, but ill be damned if i leave my boy behind

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>>169862296
not a problem anon

>>169858929

You mean Gene Mod soldiers? Wait for Tygan expansion.

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>>169862575
So uhh... the mod doesn't work mid-save. Any ideas to save my ranger?

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I love 0% infiltration supply raids

>>169864774
Maybe merciful advent?

>>169864774
It's very possible the body bugged out. I'm sorry anon.

Finally starting my first LW1 playthrough. It's on I/I and it's going swimmingly so far.

How do you guys deal with Roadway maps? I've been just shooting lots with double infantry, and flanking Suppressed targets to dislodge them from cover. Rocketeers have been sweet too, one hit HEAT and blew two whole pods of drones in one mission.

>>169865161
Snipers help a lot, as well as support grenade mules. I like to use medics for smoke/chem/flashbangs/psibangs for two reasons, firstly the medic class gets excellent will progression, and secondly it gives them some use prior to psi lab and later while their abilities are on cooldown.

But really the big danger of roadways is the lack of flanking routes, and the plethora of explosive low cover. Smoke grenades are important when facing high aim enemies (thin men, mutons, etc.)

>>169865582
Gotcha. I'm only 3 hours in so it's just drones and sectoids so far.

All the guns hit super hard in this game. On my first ufo (which hilariously was downed in a single hit WITHOUT friendly skies) i had a stupid move activate the outsider, but a rocket and a few rookies later it was toasted. The big HP bars aren't so scary.

>>169865030
>>169865067
You know I've been playing these games couch co-op style with my little brothers since EU came out, and I've defended it after each and every glitch. Each time my brothers would get upset at a fuck up, I would just claim that they didn't understand the game, and that its xcom baby. But at a certain point, is it all really worth it? Am I even right to defend this game with the amount that I do? In short, fix your game jake

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How would you describe pic related lads?

>>169865931
Useful.

>>169865931
Useful.

>>169865931

Break LOS is more useful.

>>169865931
I preferred the EU pistol

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>>169833937
Lotta loyalty for a mind controlled advent

>>169865834
Yeah you can get pretty lucky with critical hits during air combat. Early game for crashed ufos definitely bring a few flashbangs, actually go ahead and bring a couple on every early mission. They make outsiders a lot less scary with the -50% aim -40% mobility.

>>169865931
Better than swords

>>169866683
I would only play Long War1 if it had a graphics overhaul.

>>169866683
The outsiders really don't scare me. I'm not really running Snipers (though i may recruit some) so i have some dank ass rocketeers. Since this is my first time on I/I i'm trying a Gauss rush, so I want some high level rocketeers to help against mech.

>>169866884
>gauss rush
rip

>>169866918
Remember Beagle attempting that shit kek?

>>169867001
You bet I do. The original Burnt Bagels.

>>169866918
>RIP
Have I made a mistake? I went france/quai d'orsay and xenobio straight out the gate and am rolling in scientists.

What I'm wondering is what buildings to build and when to build them. I now have my top layer excavated with a power generator and two sat uplinks in it.

>>169867190
>I'm wondering is what buildings to build and when to build them.

rip

There's only one solution to each building layout on I/I

>>169867280
?

Ah

What is it? I'm still in March.

>>169867190
You need lasers just for your airgame, so rip if you are skipping them

>>169867325
I was just planning to spend the vast majority of my cash on the airgame and spam interceptors while i shipped them to africa or wherever for repairs

I saw some of joinrbs' old math on the value of shootdowns and it looks legit

>>169867316
Depends on steam vent placement.

>>169867316

Show us a Picture of your layout and we can help you not fuck it up.

>>169867416
I'll have to look tomorrow. I know there's none up top. Possibly on the second layer.

>>169867523
Tomorrow morning. I'm tired, and on mobile.

>>169867401
you aren't going to be shooting down the ufos with shitty pilots and shitty weapons, interceptors gain experience in long war. You can't just brute force the airgame like that unless you are doing friendly skies.

How to disable the crashdump?

>>169867684
I do it but I never lose interceptors. Getting airgame setup asap is awesome. Along with getting lasers. Lasers on the ground and in the air asap always worked for me.

Since others still play Long War I might get back into it before starting Long War 2.

>>169859874
Can't someone find a way to export the body to Xcom 2?

It'd be fun to have Robocop like units in xcom .

>>169867684
>scouts, raiders, fighters, and destroyers won't die to avalanches/stingrays/phoenix cannons
Whatever you say

Instead of SPARK units they should of been AI powersuits like ironman/tony stark that were capable of running despite the occupant dying.

>>169868170
sure, but it will take 3 or 4 interceptors to do that. Meanwhile the aliens will be sending 2-4 a week per continent. So you will be spreading that experience pretty thin so that it will take around 5 or 6 interceptors to down just one ufo the later the game goes. At that point you are just trying to keep the ufo from shooting down your sat since it will get away before you can do that many interceptions.

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>>169866805

But not by much.

>>169868457
>2-4 a week per continent

more like 6ish toward the end of month.

People found long dongs interceptor thing fun?

>>169868457
Yeah but not EVERY ufo is a raider, so you can make back the cash to put up a satellite, not to mention having a sat i reserve. You can also fill other continents with interceptors and transfer them into your home continent, effectively having way more than one base full.

>>169868617
I legit enjoyed the airgame

fuck the haters

>>169868457

Even for Impossible, I think you are overstating it a bit. If you put enough resources into your Airgame you *can* definitely keep up with UFO's for the most part, if you keep a overabundance of Interceptors and switch them out with repaired ones every time you shoot down a UFO. You can get Laser Cannons really early, and once you transition into Laser Cannons on them you can handle basically everything short of a Destroyer reliably.

>>169868617
Yes it is still better than clicking on a timer.

>>169868713
Well i'm rushing Gauss so my best bet against Destroyers is gonna be 4 stingray interceptors if I REALLY have the planes to spare.

>>169868643
I don't think you understand how important it is to stack kills on interceptors. Not only are you dumping a huge amount of your resources into your airgame, but you are suggesting losing out on even more resources and ufo kills for your pilots while also spending more on your sats. You will also need North America to make that anywhere near viable, but you started in france. Then, you will have to dump a lot of your resources into gauss as soon as you finish the tech to make the rush worth it. Gauss weapons aren't cheap.
>>169868713
The guy is going gauss rush, which skips lasers all together.

>>169868982
The LW team made gauss rush not viable on purpose otherwise it trivializes lasers.

On I/I it's not even necessary you can just work your way through the different techs and you end up better off, lasers are so cheap in comparison to the losses and loss of resources you will suffer if you skip them.

>>169868784

I would not even bother trying to down Destroyers without at least Phoenix Cannons.

And why skip Laser Weapons entirely? It only takes 8 days to get basic lasers, whereas you have to wait over a month to get Gauss, and then another 20 days to build the things.

Laser Cannons are really good to get in the long run, too, since they let you take down small ships with 1 Interceptor very reliably.

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This is such a nerve wracking choice for me

>>169869462
rock paper scissors it

>>169869462

I am not sure how serious you are, but I feel Executioner is the best choice by a large margin.

>>169869893
I wasn't ultra serious but I've never tried grazing fire. Given JC's insane aim stat he doesn't really need it anyway.

>>169869893
An overwatch build probably takes grazing fire, but since he's not doing that, executioner is definitely the clear choice.

>>169869987
>Given JC's insane aim stat he doesn't really need it anyway.

Now you will have four 90% shot misses in a row because you said that and he'll get critted.

>>169869987

My thought is that Grazing Fire is really only great when an enemy is low on health, and Executioner stacks with Walk Fire anyways (and Locked On if you are using it to finish something off), and at High enough Aim (such as with Walk Fire on a Ranger), +10 to hit is probably just as, if not more reliable than turning 50% of misses into a graze.

>>169870004

>An overwatch build

>>169870309
>>An overwatch build
Hey looks some anons here think it's hot shit. I don't agree, but having not tested it myself, I give it some credit.

>>169869157
>not viable
It saves a fuckton of otherwise wasted research time (beam/pulse) and comes with a fuckload of tactical options.

>>169870004
>>169870373

Does Grazing Fire work with Rapid Reaction? As in, if it triggers does it keep the Overwatch Train going?

>>169870549
It is inferior. The risk is not worth the reward.

>>169870579
I believe so. Grazes are still hits for applying things like dragon rounds or shred right?

Any helghast mods? I want some doom death troopers

>>169870549

You don't *need* to research Pulse weapons, and having to spend 8 days to research Laser Weapons for 50+ days with Laser Weapons you otherwise would have scrape by with Ballistic Weapons can be definitely worth it. Especially since you can more safely research Xenobiology for easy scientists.

>>169870818
uh you kinda do need to research pulse

supercaps and emp weapons are locked behind them

>>169870921

I mean, that is true, but what I meant was is that you don't need to research Pulse Weapons immediately after Laser Weapons by any means, so lumping in Pulse with Laser weapons as "wasted research time" is a bit silly.

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>post that I'm playing PirateZ with ironman enabled on the openxcom forum
>Now I have some person admonishing about how my careless methods could lose valuable save data for fixing bugs
I don't really know what to feel. I keep on typing up responses and deleting them, but I suppose not responding at all will truly show the depths of my concern.

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>>169871104
I've never been a big fan of gauss rush as a strategy, period. That +6 aim and +1 damage is huge versus cyberdisks and mutons. Not to mention that you're really just delaying your airgame in a big way. You're going to build laser cannons eventually, why not go beam?

>>169871238
Just ignore them. There is a somewhat legitimate point to being able to share a save with the devs but really there are many other players.

>>169871414
Well it's also silly because I can still share my save. But apparently I am being irresponsible by not having multiple saves to provide them.

>>169871360

Yea. Honestly I think that even if you had a choice between them early on, Gauss Weapons are not even *that* much better than Beam Weapons since the Aim is so helpful on early Soldiers.

Plus, Laser Cannons are ridiculously amazing and allow you to take down most UFO's efficiently.

>>169871523
I find it more rewarding to instead skip pulse, or at least not build a massive arsenal of them.

Kind of a shame considering I like the aesthetic of pulse, but gauss can carry you to the temple ship. Ultimately they get superseded by plasma.

>>169871652

I don't think I have ever really built Pulse Weapons, I just research them to get EMP cannons.

Pulse Guns are *so* fucking expensive compared to Gauss, and it seems like such a massive waste of Ayy Alloys when it isn't *that* hard to just get Plasma Weapons if you have been diligent with capturing aliens.

If I were to balance the game, I would make Pulse Guns cost slightly less Cash, a bit more Elerium, but very little Alloys so they could be conceivably worth it to pick up a few later since you are pretty tight on Alloys basically the whole game.

>>169871952
I just end the game on pulse, plasma is just for endgame grinding if you are into that.

>>169872069
this, true long war vets know

lasers -> pulse -> pick up gauss for some stuff like rocket launcher and GLR

plasma need not apply

>>169872382

Pulse Weapons are for goobers.

>>169864772
>Genetically Modified Operators
We GMO /when/?

>>169872592
Plasma is for people who have nothing in their life they are proud of.

>>169873492

why

Is beagle salting it up in Long War 2 yet?

>>169875993

He doesn't like it, he quit.

One of the problems he stated was timers forcing him to sprint through every map.

Don't know why he doesn't make a simple ini edit and change it to his liking.

I turned that shit to 200 turns so i can actually enjoy my ayy slaying instead of running from everything, and i can still stealth if i want to or if the situation im put in dictates it.

>>169876315
Why isn't timer missions a feature instead of the whole fucking game?

I like timer missions but I also like the slow ones. A balanced mix up would be ideal.

>>169857741
Oh man that would've been some dank sprinting.

I think bring em on is a weak perk unless you specifically build for it. If crits aren't reliable, the extra damage will happen too rarely on top of being wasted most of the time. I don't really see a use for the perk on a scout. Personally I would've taken tac sense on that one.

>>169858289
I used to take ranger on all my scouts until I tried low profile. Low profile seems underwhelming on paper, why would you make your soldier weaker when you could just find more cover right? But it's actually very convenient, it means your frontline is one soldier bigger in every engagement.

For me the worst engagements are the ones where you only have a tree and some bushes to place soldiers behind. So you have to either put soldiers in low cover, or fight "one infantry against the entire pod" engagements because you only have 1 full cover. Low profile means you'll always have one more dude. I play my scouts as "infantry but more flexible", and that perk is key for the role.

>>169865161
>my first LW1 playthrough. It's on I/I
mistake IMO; LW has a normal difficulty curve so you'll find the difficulty only kicks in after you're invested into the campaign, and then you'll have to savescum or lose

I don't stack infantry on roadway maps because you get very little full cover there. As the other guy I prefer snipers and scouts who don't need high cover, as well as smoke grenades that let me use all the low cover.

>>169866683
I bring two AP grenades for the outsider, a flashbang too but it's not for the outsider because I can't trust it to not do the 5% instakill lmao on me

>>169868617
Yes, it makes you plan and think in the strategy layer. I know a lot of people play just for the tactical bits, but I like the strategy game to be more than just a thin wrapping/justification for the missions. The same goes for the repair mechanic.

>>169866884
The issue with gauss rush is that you're not skipping anything. Laser guns cost like 6 alloys each which is nothing, by not fitting your squad with them you make the floater months far harder but only save like 40 alloys. Research time isn't much better, you only reach gauss like 5 days earlier than you would without rushing.

>>169867401
That's a good way to bankrupt yourself. There's major diminishing returns to hunting medium UFOs. You can down small scouts with 2 planes per continent. To down a medium with stock weapons you need like 4 planes which will go in repair for a month so you can't reuse them to fight the small UFOs. So you're basically paying 800 + 160/month for the privilege of an extra medium crash every other month.

It's possible to kill medium UFOs with basic weapons, it's just not worth investing in the capability. The maintenance costs are just too high.

>>169875465
he's saying that people with a life don't have time to grind the hilarious resource costs of plasma

Anyone have an image on which "M" from Bond movies says to take the shot, when civilians are at the blast zone.

kill ayys

must kill all ayys

vigilo confido

I/I first timer (reconsidering gauss rush) here, my Mac keyboard doesn't want to screencap my base layout but here it is

[fission gen] [sat uplink] [sat uplink] [elevator] [empty] [empty] [empty]
[steam] [empty] [empty] [middle space, empty] [empty] [steam] [empty]
and the lower layers are all totally empty. no more steam.

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Why isn't /xcg/ talking about this?

http://www.wargamer.com/news/interview-with-m-e-r-c-creators/

>>169889045
il wait till its done to form an opinion

>>169889384
Same. It seems neat but I'll wait until it leaves early access before looking into it.

>>169861814
Well done

>>169888952
Shitty steam. I think you'll have to place an OTS in the top right, which means top right will be the lab block and bottom right the workshop block. It's optimal to have ots/containment in bottom left, but not worth digging that far down so early.

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I'm not sure if anyone else is having similar problems, but my FPS drops from 75-60 to 20-15 in the Geoscape, and only there; it's even fine when I'm in the Black Market. Anyone have any suggestions as to how to restore performance, or is this just the price I pay for LW2?

>>169877751
low profile is up there with sprinter in "belongs on everyone, no matter what perks it's up against." it is insane how many of you overvalue damage dealing and undervalue tactical flexibility.

>>169895854
>can flank from any position safely
>can hold at any distance where convenient
>indestructible low cover (like ridges) become indestructible high cover
pretty good.

>>169896171
only thing you really need to watch out for are those tempting mailboxes and trash bins, I've lost scouts to double mechtoid shots that way.

then again, I've lost at least one of every class to double mechtoid shots. fuck those things.

>>169876315
>Don't know why he doesn't make a simple ini edit and change it to his liking.

Might have felt that was cheating if the game was balenced around the timers.

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Guess what I found.

You can dose your soldiers up with roids from the berserker muton and turn them into bodybuilders. They get special abilities but lose movement speed.

It also has a variety of body shapes, all with armours, ranging from skinny to pic related. Soldiers can get to the 50% point (pic is 100%) through training, and if you dose them with gene therapy they get bigger.

It's made by a gay so there's some thong armour in there but also some normal looking armour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10FbA0RU3IE

>>169884797
Fuck the ayys.

Breed with all the ayys.

>>169897015
>the EU/EW hulk bodies are back

Nice. I'm guessing there's no love for huge females though?

>>169897197
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Nope.

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>>169897197
>It's made by a gay

I would think not.

>>169897631
literally nothing wrong with space marine-tier females in a world with genetic modification and berserker roids senpai

>>169898751
I agree, I'm just saying that nice things don't exist.

Would any XCOM fans recommend playing Fallout Tactics? I don't really care for Fallout lore, but it was always one of those games that I meant to check out but never got around to playing.

>>169897015
>the fucking nipples on Chris Redfield

I'm glad he's modelling gyno.

>>169899671
It's fun game, would recommend. There an aspect ratio mod for widescreen.

I've reached July in LW 1 and now small, Scout class UFOs have pods of Muton Berserkers and Mechatoids every two steps. What the fuck am I suppose to do now? Do I just have to hold off raiding UFOs until I get better shit?

>>169906991
Do you have laser & carapace armour at least?

>>169907103
I got advanced Beam weapons and Phalanx armor. I've had to hold off researching better equipment because UFOs kept wrecking my Interceptors so I've been moving research towards better air game stuff.

>>169897015
>>169897197
>>169897631
>>169902654

Fun fact: The guy that made this mod had some help from some Firaxis guy.

Fun fact 2: He is also the guy that made Schlongs of Skyrim

>>169907670
>shlongs of skyrim

Shit, no wonder there are no tits allowed with that mod.

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>>169897197
>Nice. I'm guessing there's no love for huge females though?

>2017
>Still being heterosexual

Get with the times, buddy!

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>>169908718
Oh, I'm with the times alright.

>you get 12 people for Lw2 seaworld

Oh Christ this is gonna be fucking hardC'est magnifique isn't it

>>169910512
>Lw2 seaworld
What the fuck is this LW2 Seaworld everybody is talking about and how do I get one?

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>Arrive home.
>See this

What would you do?

>>169911310
this isn't mt beautiful wife!

>>169911310
Ask her what the fuck she did with my buffsnek.

>>169911419
This is not my beautiful house!

>>169911310
Save it to my snek folder

>good thing i flashbanged and it only has a 1% chance to hit
https://qt.vidyagam.es/SslWjrw.webm

>>169911310
Why would Hillary Clinton be in my house?

>>169912029
Just break los

>>169911806

Same as it ever was.

>>169912172
FUCK RATHALOS AND HIS GODDAMN PLATE.

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>>169912029
jesus dude

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>>169911910
Here's the other snek wife pic.

Spoilered because too lewd.

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>>169911310
>>169912823

>>169912619

What ever was of the Remove Sergeant?

>>169913334
Could you re-state your question?

>>169911247
The undersea ayy base

Is Long war 2 as hard as it was on EU/EW? I had to drop it on the first game cause it was too much for my casual ass, but LW2 looks so fucking good

>>169914814
I don't know about difficulty, but currently it is very un-polished.

>>169895539
Sorry for the late reply, but I had this problem too. It probably has something to do with mods conflicting, or how the game handles conflicting mods. Somehow.

"Go to "My Games > XCom 2 > XComGame > Config > XComEngine.ini" and delete ALL lines that start with "ModClassOverrides"."

This fixed it for me. You might have to do other stuff to prevent those lines from coming back, but I wouldn't know about that further than "don't have conflicting mods".

>LW1 first run
>going fine, zero deaths in 12 missions
>suddenly another Roadway class map appears
>rocketeers and snipers are all fatigued
>go on mission
>motion sensor shows 4 pods within a blue move
>bunker up in what little cover there is
>next turn 4 pods activate
>squadwipe
Fuck roadways

where the fuck is bangle honestly

is he done with LW2

is he 2casul?

>>169919493
He's done with LW2 (for now). Beags is Beags.

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Friendly reminder that people on Pavonis forums constantly think assaults are shit

This is after a double activation. Assaults just don't give a fuck.

>>169920646
Assaults are the most broken class, hands down. People on the forums are fucking retarded.

>>169906991
>>169906991
>shredder ammo CCS assault
>chem grenades

Never do missions without both senpai

NEVER

>>169921742
Chem grenades are a godsend. Redeuce DR, reduce aim, reduce mobility, deal damage, make the AI freak out, make suppression uselss, make captures easy peazy

>>169919493
he didn't like the stealth focus, I'm slogging through but i'm honestly of the same opinion, forcing myself through 3-4 stealth missions per every real combat op is kind of shitty especially with load times being what they are and having to restart because of under the avenger bug every 2-3 missions

there are mods that make things more bearable but even with it's still not as much fun for my time invested.

So Andromedons can acid bomb while disoriented

Fuck

>>169924250
They really should change that

>>169898751
I don't disagree but I find it funny that you chose that particular epithet when space marine-tier females are not acceptable in the universe with space marines.

>>169925284
games workshop was wrong about that too.

sisters should have been just as big and nasty looking as their male counterparts, chomping on cigars and being sweaty and cyborgified instead of just being big-titted tall girls with white hair.

shit could've been metal.

OH MY FUCKING GOD TWICE NOW HAVE I BUILT HEAVY LASERS FOR SHIVS INSTEAD OF LASER CANNONS FOR MY INTERCEPTORS AND ONLY REALISED TOO LATE TOO MANY SUCCESSFUL MISSIONS LASTER OH MY GOD WHY AM I SO FUCKING RETARDED I AM SO FUCING MAD RIGHT NOW

>>169906991
There's two very different types of UFO mission. The landed UFO is one of the hardest mission types in the game, even when it comes to small ones. The crashed one is far easier. If you're seeing berserkers and mecs in July I'm assuming you're doing a landed one, so a challenge is to be expected. You'll still be able to do crashed ones.

As for dealing with those enemies, you MUST have dedicated anti-mechanical soldiers. HEAT gunners, Gauss Long Rifle snipers, breaching ammo assaults, HEAT engineers, shredder heat rockets - make your pick but always have some on every mission after the first 3 months. I don't find berserkers very challenging so I don't really have a counter, RR medics or CCS assaults I guess.

>>169921742
It's not like I beeline for them but I've never had chem grenades before september.

>>169925956
Yeah the naming on those two is retarded.

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>>169925956

That's quite a serious mishap if you are in Long War. You need those Laser Birds ASAP

>>169920646

To play a bit of devil's advocate, one overpowered ability doesn't make the class good.

That said, I like assaults. Other than the risk of revealing, they're one of my most reliable ayy-removers. Why do people think they suck?

>>169925956

You could console commands to remove the Heavy Lasers and give you Laser Cannons

>>169928387
Your devils advocacy would be a good point, but there are so many more abilities that just compound it. Close range, high crit, two move rapid fires can kill almost any enemy. Lightning reflexes and a hefty hp pool can free your squad from ow pinning just through the assault doing what they do anyway (moving around).

Trench gun is a respectable perk as well, putting the flamethrower to complete shame. Add on the versatility of later perks (ccs, extra conditioning, close encounters and street sweeper being highlights) and the crit buffs they get and the class becomes a monster. Street sweeper with crit buffs makes almost any engagement trivial.

The only downside to the class is range and revealing, the first is handled by run n gun, the second by good use of Shinobis.

People on Pavonis forums have weird ideas of what the best classes are. I have a feeling not many of them have built crit God assaults with street sweeper.

And the class just gets even more nuts with Awc, usually pretty synergistic.

>>169928387

>Other than the risk of revealing

I think this is the main problem a lot of people have. I think a lot of people tend to use Assaults as one of their last troops (which isn't a bad idea, necessarily), but then if they accidentally pull a whole other pod you can pretty severely fuck yourself over.

I really like the design of them personally. They are *always* one of your best troopers for killing Ayys in basically every situation, and are very independently strong, as opposed to Rangers who often rely on cover destruction. This is balanced by the fact that being careless with them carries a lot of risk, since you can trigger aliens at extremely bad times which is quite counterproductive. Unlike most other classes, they are balanced by removing a huge degree of RNG from their attacks (while also having high damage) by requiring them to often move *into* the fog of war, which carries its own risk.

>>169928874
I respond to anyone modifying the .ini with "cheater!!!11" and I have no problems with this.

>>169929531
That's the beauty of scouting well. Means you can be aggressive as you like with assaults

Scanning protocol meshes well with them too

>>169930481

True. I think most people would agree that if you mitigate or remove the risk of revealing extra Pods, Assaults are incredibly, ridiculously strong.

>>169928981
>>169929531
>>169930481

Thank you for the responses; I knew I liked my assaults but it's good to hear solid reasons for it.

I think they work well because they're an excellent part of a team - they cover for other member's weaknesses (often, by R&Ging to a difficult-to-reach target for a flank), and other classes, if used well, can cover for theirs. In other words, they're a force multiplier.

As opposed to, say, Sharpshooters, who aren't *bad* except they do nothing you can't already do with other classes, mostly and they don't create new opportunities for the player. Honestly, it's why I find Specialists so boring; they simply don't do anything interesting except hack better, because the hack bonuses on towers are either lame or too much of a risk to use. They can sometimes disable or MC a mechanical target, sure, but your Psi troopers can more or less do that already with Stasis and MC (albeit against organics).

I'd like to see Sharpshooters get some sort of love, though I can't imagine how they would. I'd like to see Specialists boosted too.

>>169931709
>Specialists so boring; they simply don't do anything interesting except hack better
Boring, but extremely effective. They make good officers, don't need to be in a frontline position, give strategic bonuses, and can access objectives from a distance.

>>169931709
Sharpshooters should have an innate 50% chance to shoot through a target. So if someone is behind them, they also get shot.

>>169921975
>complete

>avenger bug
>Toaster pc have to do all this again in 10 mins +

>>169930082
pretty fucking stupid if you ask me

superheavy lasers are way cheaper than laser cannons

>>169932097

I don't dispute that Specialists are useful, particularly for fulfilling objectives, but the fact that they make good officers isn't a compelling argument that they're a good class - it only says that they often have nothing better to do than take a plain shot at targets. Ideally, officer choice should be challenging because *everyone* had things they want to do. And the ability to complete objectives at a distance doesn't sit well with me - not in itself, of course, but the idea that they need a crutch to be a valuable addition to the team. Maybe they should have more versatile Gremlin options?

Aid protocol is a good start - maybe a Distraction Protocol; 1 turn cooldown, -20 Aim to a target? It'd be a soft Suppression, but take a single action and wouldn't remove Overwatch.

>>169932541
Like we need MORE LOS and LoE problems.

>>169934978
no need to convert them 1:1, you can be very precise and even get change by giving yourself alloys/cash directly

I'm not for reversing decisions, but when it's a plain misunderstanding of the interface..

>>169935063
>Like we need MORE LOS and LoE problems

It would be a bonus, not something you have to account for every time.

>>169935063
>but the fact that they make good officers isn't a compelling argument that they're a good class
Considering you need an officer, I disagree. And they are good officers not because they are the worst class,but because of action economy.

Like I said before, they don't need to be on the frontlines, which is good for an officer. They also have multiple abilities that only take one action. That means they are fit to use aid protocol, or heal someone, or hack a tower or something while following up with focus fire or command. Throw in the fact that someone should be packing medkits and how important they are for objectives, and once now you have a very good support class (obviously). Also, once they get the perk where they ignore the effects of messing up a hack, their utility against mech units skyrockets, and they an reliably shut down mechs and take control of drones. There's not alot of glammer to specialists, but they aren't supposed to be a glamorous postion, and in LW2 meta they are good, no other way to put it.

>but the idea that they need a crutch to be a valuable addition to the team
It's not a crutch anymore than a shinobis concealment is.

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>play again for the first time in a year
>completely forget about codex bait and skulljack the fucking officer with the last move on legendary

i want to fucking die

anyone has ISIS style XCOM flag

>>169936378
all she's going to do is empty your weapons

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>>169936779

>>169936378

>playing ironmeme

>>169936378

>using a 70 percent melee move as your last

what happens if it missed you retard

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>>169936989
>savescumming

>>169937120

Then it gives the soldier a free move, doesn't it?

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>>169937120
it won't

>>169937149
Honestman is an option you know.

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You're a BIG sky

>>169941892

This meme is so fucking stupid so I don't know why this made me laugh.

>>169941892
Was putting the rubber on the road and the kids in the back seat part of your plan?

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>>169942952
Of course.

>So what's the next step of your master plan?

Crashing this base... with NO SURVIVORS!

>>169943225
>disgust.jpg

>>169911310
>>169912823
Say anon, are you around?

Also do you have a deviantart or tumblr?

>>169943807
He was my irish rocketeer; his face always looks like that.

>>169944795
he must look at a lot of ass every day

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>>tfw you know that feel.jpg

Is there no upgrade for the Archon suit?

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Hope this Newtype wannabe rolls well.

>>169944204
I draw, but nowhere near as good as that.

I grabbed them from e621; artist is kawmapkarma.

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>>169945937

Pretty alright as a backup MEC. My other TSGT Valkrie has a mind-boggling 91 Aim.

>>169945521
Happens all the time in EW.

>when you forget to save after 4 missions and it freezes.

>>169947405
Usually if something like that happens in a game, I lose like, all motivation to play it for a few days

>>169825728
Silly photo

Any good map modding tutoriels? I want to make a red light district map with girls poledancing.

>>169941585
They literally never have a response to this, they know they're too weak willed to take their losses on the nose.

Then they lose their file and nobody's a winner.

Can I go 2 hours without getting 3 mandatory missions and 20 notifications that the base is out of milk Jesus fucking Christ I almost prefer EU's do-nothing weeks to this

>>169950337
It's a common notion that breather moments are bad these days.

They're wrong, of course, the human mind cannot keep up a state of high-energy work for long.

>>169950481

I miss games like Half Life 2 which actually put in breather sections. Not even plot areas like Black Mesa East; just quiet spots where you can look around, check stuff out, look for goodies, etc. I always loved the dam in Water Hazard - you had the boss fight with the helicopter, sure, then a few final soldiers in the building, but otherwise it was quiet and open and you could look around.

GRAZE/DODGE IS A SHIT SHIT SHIIIIITTTTTTTTTT MECHANIC FUCK YOU FRAXIS

>>169951832
Valve literally has them in their design philosophy.

Which no one ever bothered to read.

>>169951918
Graze and Dodge are two different things and you can only blame Firaxis for one of them.

>>169951918
Hard mode: setting the band to 90% graze.

>>169952409
Does that apply to the enemy's shooting too?

>>169952614
yes

>>169952614
Everyone gets graze.

Can you handle it?

>>169889384
>>169889616
this

99% of devs lose motivation once they get money

>>169912029
Link to meme text mod for EW?

EXPANSION WHEN

I need something to tie me over until Long War 2 is done, currently it seems like a complete mess.

Maybe il do a casual run of Long War on normal and rush to endgame asap, that sounds fun actually since I/I you have to be in serious mode.

>>169953507
I was burned once by early access with great potential (KSP)

Never again.

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>>169911310
Traitors and ayys all deserve the same

>>169956215
>KSP
Are you trolling or just delusional? They delivered on everything they promised.

>>169956953
slotting in features from mods is not delivering a working game

So, I just had an empty dropship fly in and drop off no reinforcements. Animation played and everything, but there was just nobody in the ship.

Should I be worried?

>>169959538
It was a pod of seekers

>>169959538
Looks like I should have been. Under-Avenger bug immediately afterwards.

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>Sorry commander, it was bring your daughter to work day and she wanted to meet the famus Bradford.

>>169959538
That's a bug involving the ADVENT Officer being a part of the reinforcement pod options and another mod has interfered with the reinforcement spawn options. Do you use ABA or something? They'll have the relevant fixes available on the mod page.

>>169959807
die in a fire, Bradford's Bladestorm would have triggered by the time that ayy fucking shit got within a tile of him

>>169959962
>Do you use ABA or something?
Nope. I don't think I have any enemy mods installed except default LW2.

>>169960023
He's too drunk to remember how to even swing a knife.

>>169960031
That's the only thing I know of that causes the empty reinforcement bug. LW2 doesn't, as far as I know. Recheck your mod list, confirm you have no enemy mods other than LW2, and if so, post on Pavonis's forums about it for a fix.

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WHAT

OH MY GOD I'M SO EXCITED

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>>169932857
>Mechanical harddrive = toaster PC

>>169960838
I have all my games on a 7200 rpm drive and have no issues with loading times. SSD gains are marginal at best when accessing data libraries like those used in a video game.

It seems to me that loading in XCOM 2 has a lot to do with the CPU. When I'm encoding video my loadtimes get really long.

>>169960737

?

I played through the entirety of XCOM 2 and I never saw this.

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>>169961042
Very very rare supply raid/convoy type missions. Supposedly they are rarer still in LW2, but are a potential reward for Lib 1 type missions. I believe the trigger is "Find a lead" but with no intel package reward.

I can count the number of UFO raid's I've been on on my fingers and I've been playing this game for nearly 800 hours.

>>169961042
Really? Not the guy you're responding to, I just got XCOM2 last week and I've only had it once(still on my first campaign) probably the most fun I've had on a mission so far. I was hoping it'd be more common

>playing on xbox so I can't mod more in

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>>169961431
Perhaps I'm just unlucky then, I just didn't see many of them.

Any mods for EW I should install besides LW?

>>169961783
I like exalt reminder and alien sight range indicator.

>>169961783
there's heaps, check the xcom nexus

Gonna need that emergency evac now, now god dammit now.

>>169965617
>317 posts
What did he mean by this?

>>169965727
page 10

>>169961328
This game isn't XCOM.

No UFO's no XCOM.

The game should be centred around UFO's.

>>169961020
>SSD gains are marginal at best

You should try an SSD only system it will destroy any hope you have left of going back to hdd for anything but extra storage if that.

Will LW2 get better or are they just going that stupid stealth/guerilla themed route to their own demise?

On a sidenote there is a mouse that got stuck between the floor boards and died. :(

Well, my first LW2 game just failed.

Oh well.

>>169970041

As it became impossible to win? Or XCOM_2.exe just crashed a little bit too hard?

>>169970102
No, I just didn't liberate quickly enough so the Avatar project completed.

>>169970149

F

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Wakaliwood voice mod when

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEoGrbKAyKE

I'm bored and want a proper new XCOM with discovery of weird new ayys and loot, along with terraformed landscapes.

I want to shoot down UFO's and I want UFO's to try and shoot me down.

I never want to know what enemies will be on a mission not even in the endgame.

>>169912029
I'm surprised you got 1% in low cover, even if you had a flashbang. I thought they're only like -30?

Also, can anyone write a quick description of the MEC survivability perks? There's a lot of them, Automated Threat Assessment, Repair Servos, Absorption Fields, Shock armor, Damage Control, and I'm not quite sure which ones are mandatory survivability boosts for the random pathfinder and which are optional extra juice for tanking specialists.

bbbbored bored bored bored is the word

>>169861814
So you're the guy who released that CP with her

>>169967728
get it out, or you will get a shitton of flies

/xcg/ might really be ded

I guess Lump killed it

>>169982045
Here lies /xgc/

He was never magnificent

What's the cheapest way to get ahold of EU? I want to play LW1 but I don't have 50$ at all

>>169982045

As someone who isn't a veteran of the general, what's the opinion on LW2?

>>169983386

g2a

>>169983386
Wait foe a steam special.

Got the game + all dlc gor 10$

>>169982205
With a 90% graze band, it will be more magnificent than ever before

>>169983561
Unpolished, especially compared to LW1, gonna take at least a couple months of fine-tuning to fix that. Also, the stealth mechanic is a fundamental turnoff for a lot of people.

>>169983561

It's good but the issue is the documentation for all the new mechanics is really poor