/poeg/ - Path of Exile General

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>>169758785

Obviously keeping big balance changes for 3.0

pathetic way to shit on the player base

>Illuminated Devotion (Hierophant) now grants 40% increased area of effect.
Would this be worth rushing now, with the downside of delaying your "more totems"

>>169758760
>>169758814
But why would you use quill rain with physical skills? Who uses it for anything but explosive arrow?

>>169758910
you are a freak mate
seriously you need to find a new hobby
>>169758925
i bet you called for blood when they announced the xbox version

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>tfw your build didn't get nerfed

only acceptable skills for 2.6
blade flurry
spooky toss
spark
flameblast
cleave

>>169758925
most changes directed at a different player base.

>>169759069

>cleave
>when lacerate exists

Who /vaal spark/ here

>>169758960
The only thing you should be rushing on a Hierophant is toward the delete character button.

looks like I'll just go pizza sticks as starter yet again

>>169758995
i bet you actually have hobbies, shitbird.

HoWaA untouched?

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important strawpoll please vote
http://www.strawpoll.me/12440301

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>>169758910

Shrapnel Shot checking in

>>169759180
>lacerate
>When AoE got gutted

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Many of Path of Exile's most desirable unique items were only available during past leagues.
In the Legacy league, when a leaguestone is active, you have a chance to find unique items from that league.
We have reviewed league-specific uniques dating back to the first challenge leagues and have """""improved""""" many that we felt were not relevant to the current state of Path of Exile.

>>169758995
No scion changes

It's really fucking obvious they phoned it in and kept everything for 3.0 on purpose

How fucking hard is it to buff some numbers on the scion tree?

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Reach of the Council? More like Dump of the Council

>>169759240
Yep. Claw nodes also got a lot of buffs and all purpose leech now, maybe making it even stronger.

free

>>169759405
ha

>>169759405
more like waste 100 runs on zero payoff for a challenge

>>169759343
they just fixed uniques from like 2-3 years ago so im going to guess 5 minutes too long

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still need to wait another day before making build because I need tree

>>169758910
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

So what are optons left for ranger. Suicide?

>>169759525
ele melee, melee, caster, rolling a good bow

>>169759450
council pieces will be cheaper now

increased AOE gem nerfed hard
conc effect nerfed damage wise but reduces area less

>>169759525
raider is still great on just about anything

> howa
> completely untouched
> vaal pact + ghost reaver
> completely untouched

Blade flurry is still king, one of the few skills to not have its AoE completely gutted. 15% less damage at max level... so you now deal 255k dps instead of 300k? It's still better damage wise than alternatives.

Ice Crash might be viable since hrimburn now makes it 100% conversion I believe so you can abuse cold pen and hypothermia double dipping ignite.

Breach+Talisman+Torment masterrace

>>169759567
Tell me about these mele only builds.

>>169759571
Just because it's cheap doesn't mean anyone will want it.

>>169759571
Why does that matter when none of them are worth using now?

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>The Gull: Now has 30-40% Cold Resistance. Now has 60-80 Maximum Life. Now has 40-65 Maximum Energy Shield. No longer has Life and Energy Shield gained on kill. No longer has Maximum Mana.

patch notes don't mention the new meme mod on it. i wonder if there are any other uniques with new meme mods that the patch notes failed to mention?

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So... claws are good now, right? I can powerlevel by dual-wielding them now, right?

Terminus Est flicker theory crafting only

>>169759458
>fixed
>taking uniques that people vendored for years and giving them all slight number buffs

wow what an insane amount of work

>>169759525
Howa. freezing pulse. blade flurry.

so when does the new tree get released for us to toy with

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>>>>SCHEDULE
Thursday (NZT): Skill Tree and Item Filter Information
Friday (NZT): Two-day character slot sale information.
Saturday (NZT): Content Update 2.6.0 and the Legacy Challenge Leagues launch!

>>169759643
don't forget ES untouched patch after patch

>>169759705
patch notes are written by an unethical retard who slaves over them like a will but constantly fucks up. you decide.

>>169759815

spank you very much

>>169759716
life
the red trail
raider aimed down to duelist
dying instantly to reflect before you realize it's a reflect mob

>>169759815
are there skill tree changes that arent public still?

>>169759849
ES sort of got tapped, Vaal Discipline no longer adds any extra ES, which with any decent build was almost permanent uptime +7-9K ES.

>>169759723
anything to please the new player base

>>169759849
>lifeniggers cry about having approximately 1.6% less EHP than a minmaxed ES autist
>life gets buffed
>"NOOOOOOOOOO NOT GOOD ENOUGH YOU HAVE TO NERF THEM AS REPARATION!!!!!!"

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It's nice they buffed so many uniques and nerfed a few ones but there was literally no reason to delay the nerf to HoWaA until 3.0 especially in the same patch they make Blood Drinker and Soul Raker generic attack damage leech AND add more WED clusters, what the FUCK are they thinking, is there a single person in the GGG's "balance" team that doesn't foresee how stupidly meta the build will become????? Yes I'm fucking mad they didn't even BOTHER trying to be subtle about it

>>169759945
Sibyls is 40% reflect reduction now, surely there is a way to reduce enough reflect for it to be trivial.

>>169759945
Dying to reflect is just the flicker life

Did srs got nerfed in ANY way? I guess I know my league starter

Empire's grasp chin sol puncture totems

>>169760056
howaa and howaa like uniques are the future of path of exile

see: brutus lead, geofri's sanctuary, shapers touch etc in this patch notes

>>169760046
I dont think that's what that person said at all. Relax

>>169760046
>1.6%

LOL

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>ehp

I've never played mines/traps. Would this league be a good one to run a starter character as one?

>>169759815
That's a lean, mean pinto bean.

>>169760056
they dont care.

EK, Vspark, or HoWA?

>>169760152
AoE changes affected everyone using auras. This includes SRSers. Minimal changes otherwise, unset rings now being able to roll +gem level might be a nice indirect summoner buff seeing as they tend to be starved on sockets.

>>169759643
>HoWAbabbs in charge of DPS
Scourge BF deals an order of magnitude more DPS than that, even without abyssus.

>Weapon critical strike chances have been adjusted. Most critical chance values have been reduced on base types that could have over 6.5% base critical chance. Italics: This is to create a more distributed choice of weapon types for critical strike characters.

>Thrusting swords that granted Critical Multiplier now grant +25%/+35% Critical Strike Multiplier, down from +30%/+50%. Using a Blessed Orb will update existing weapons to these new values.

>>169760209
not especially. but you certainly can. Deerstalkers gt a minor buff if you want to try leveling with traps

>Siosa now sells all quest gems once you've completed his quest and the quests required to unlock the appropriate tiers of gem rewards
does this mean all quest gems for all classes or just your own?

>>169760409
>Pure Elemental vs Double Dipping

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Give me a good reason why you aren't buying reach of the councils on standard right now to price gouge them for 10x the price after 2.6 hits

>>169760432
they released the exact nerf to dagger implicits a few days ago. it's whatever

>>169760543
>standard

1h sword Wild Strike Elementalist here we go.

Gonna stakc all these MORE like there's no tomorrow.

>The Nihilist's item prefix that gave +1 to socketed Chaos Gems now appears on level 4 items and above, down from level 40. Added a new mod, Anarchist's, that grants +2 to socketed Chaos Gems.
Can't see this affecting ED builds since 1h weapon options are so strong, maybe Blight in a +2 staff is slightly less shit now?

>>169760543
I only have 7 ex , 11ex if I sell all my fuses

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>nerf the best bow into worthless junk
>buff fucking infractem to be 1% less shitty
>buff quill rain to be 10% less shitty but still unusable by anything other than explosive arrow
>nerf the best quiver
>chain support is still garbage-tier
>fork support is still trash

>>169760461
all

>>169760543
saddest thing ive read in the saddest general

>>169760461
All quests for all classes, this was specifically meant to help SSF

>>169760543
because i dont give a shit about standard
already bought 1 good reach bow at end of breach

>>169757819
Fire nova with duel consuming can kill shaper in 3 seconds.

>>169760680
You can go full meme with Xoph's Nature/Signal/Taming/Emberwake
only 99999999ex

EK nova looks cool

but won't I have problems with single target dps?

Rigwald's Quills is king

>>169760761
xoph's is bad and you should feel bad for suggesting it

>>169760697
>>169760726
fuck SSF, now I finally don't have to deal with those poetrade faggots who are all afk selling level 1 gems for an alc and when I finally reach one that isn't afk it's a chaos and I have wasted 10 minutes of my time PMing people.

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So here's what I got so far for Terminus Est Crit Raider

>>169760804
not if you concentrate real hard and tilt your screen for bosses

>tfw I was doing this build as started https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1696139/page/1
Welp, it is like destiny wants me to to HoWaA again.

How can you level with Flamebast? Its so awkward to use, just standing there like a chump til its fully stacked

Or am i a fucking retard and im missing something?

>>169760862
idk what flicker numbers were before but that's not good friend.

Melee Splash was buffed a bit since the AoE change annoucement. Still falls off if you're stacking a bunch of AoE, but it's better by itself than it was previously.

Current L20 Melee Splash: 871.96 area
Old New L20 Melee Splash: 849.73 area (-2.6% difference)
New New L20 Melee Splash: 966.73 area (+10.8% difference)
Current L20 Melee Splash + L20 Inc AoE: 1684.72
Old New L20 Melee Splash + L20 Inc AoE: 1266.10 (-24.9% difference)
New New L20 Melee Splash + L20 Inc AoE: 1440.42 (-14.6% difference)

>>169761092
Generally you don't, especially if you use totems. Use other shit until your cast speed is high enough.

>>169761105
Getting Crit, Frenzy Charges, and Life is nigh impossible.

>>169761092
AoE > cast speed - a 4 stack will kill most mobs, but wont' hit them all
always run ahead and bait several packs together when you blow them up with flameblast

Going SSF necromancer, probably SRS

>>169760507
With abyssus I still have 1.8m excluding poison, and that's with boss resistances.
Without abyssus it's still 800k.
DPS against shaper with poison included is 3.78m. Against non-shaper it's 10m and that's not considering frenzy charges from bloodrage which makes it 14m.

guys did they kill whispering ice?
i have to use cold to fire gem now :(

>>169759849
>>169759963

Vaal disc is seriously painful though.

The reason why GGG says this also nerfs HOWA is because howa used it. What you did was use 2 claws, high ES chest, high ES helmet, then scramble the resistances.

Now if you had vaal disc uptime, it also scaled off your int and increased ES. So instead of having around 8-10k ES you had like 20k ES. Since it cleared so fast you had that permanently.

The problem is now with ES that you're much more forced to get high ES on everything instead of relying on vaal disc to take care of it.

>>169760056
The above is the nerf to howa, which is ridiculous. Because it still has its clearspeed and like 10k life (though with no defenses like armor).

Another meta build will be the surrender max block using BF damage (which might've actually not been nerfed hard considering the buff to 1h weapons).

>>169761092
use firestorm early on

>>169761276
can you link your tree friend

>>169761325
not really any question as to which is better now, 150% multiplier is much better than that mediocre loss in base.

>>169761116
You should give radius numbers, they're a lot more intuitive when comparing to existing numbers

2.5 L20 Melee Splash: 16.66 radius
2.6 L20 Melee Splash: 17.54 radius

This is a BUFF considering AoE gem was almost never used on top of Melee Splash

Is is a ranger worth using at all this league or are they still deader than shit?

>blade master gives 200 flat accuracy
>razor's edge now gives +1 weapon range and 15% chance to bleed

are swords worth a shit now?

>>169761406
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYBABzcdf1UvaLZtMXdSOLVN2bZho2BEVBsCMgUm7Xb5w-r7LAspl3yEJL7CfDV1blsC9lbFe0V_acreBnBxabr6QLrYz1fkoABCVZjIvTy4biT74iExeyK0B8ZilxA7-uhL-q6GyUOSLjZFr8dT1fJS643g9YHtAxMsxXXLL-Wi0mxSVHxisM6ytP1b-wYDPKPwbl8voo1uRqPapV_xpf0EZaXlQ18b1dtGSBuIupQMDQKvG9faoSi9toqOIaujAuw2KXLJItwUisK7UGP-kcG18-EbzIy0NDBoPk3Y0MHmZoXa9uPGrVIKgtSU0scKPpMjmqMbWxZ8BEvkyc=

>>169761734
im going to do some autist 2h sword ST build and hope it works

>>169759525
burning arrow

>>169761721
Are you retarded? They got the most passive tree love out of all classes and can now go ele attacks AND spells with ease, Raider is ridiculously versatile now

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Paragon of Calamity: 50% reduced reflect damage taken
Sybil's Lament: 40% reduced reflect damage taken
Ash, Frost and Storm: 10% reduced reflect damage taken

Give me a single reason not to roll a self-cast Flameblast Elementalist in 2.6 since it can now reach reflect immunity

>Brutus' Lead Sprinkler scales like HOWA now
>Literally 0 viable skills that can be used with it
That's a shame.

>>169762147
>selfcast

>>169762237
>not going full STR HoWA ST

>Volley Fire jewel reduced to 3
>Reach nerfed to shit
They really fucking didn't like that barrage build did they?

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What build are you playing for 2.6, /poeg/?

Caustic Arrow Scion here

>>169762237
Molten Strike + Iron Grip

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAECAGn-ffvDaK9saPLwH6IABLPAZsWKfLt35TrYJy-QVRo4WfPsOIV7KU8abNWm5CI26SSqFm_jap2upwgVUNgkVkisqnKp9zLqGHasz3746_PdaGUUcdl8ggckN78I6hAhkIKbZlRfPxQg7w5QR-RR9kiMzz38WGOuPg48OlK8nxiR_EsUTYZgIq84U3bnNugaVWEhhO_awS5T02907QUteu9kowHchNlHfr02ZU2-p8auPC2DzLc-_grYvfJFOuGmVzGeNZL-j03jg19nm1_Q-F-wq8SCivDpRsbYE8xP8-zLDF8cp1Olr6cczitQDc3-VMT2

r8 sprinkler

>>169762275
You can't reach the same kind of damage as HOWA though with a ST build on the left side of the tree.

>>169762251
>lol I hate doing damage

>>169762296

2h slayer

what skill i use depends on sword changes making them worth a shit

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ebin xd

>>169762421
>Geofri's sanctuary

Yes you can, cunt.

>>169762251
But that way he can do a super niche meme build like a 6L CWC flameblast firestorm combo.

>>169762147
every build is reflect immune
you just use a chaos orb on the map

>>169762251
Much faster cast speed than totems, coverage is about the same now that AoE was nerfed, no Spell Totem 26% less damage penalty double-dipping on ignites, can use OoS for EE and reflect immunity, give me a SINGLE REASON why self-cast FB Elementalist isn't better than totems in 2.6

>>169762325

>viable

>>169762463
retard

EK? HoWA? Scourge BF?

>>169762463
>tfw only bought 5 spares before patch
Should have bought more.

>>169762509
How the fuck does that help damage?

>>169762296
still trying to process all the uniques changes
some very juicy buffs, might go 1h sword max block Glad, not sure just yet

>>169762551
lel

>>169762564
Fire and forget
2 flame blasts
Reflect immune out of the gate
Safer

>>169762296
I always wanted to try caustic arrow but people said that it's just worse ED

>>169762551
>chaosing a double pack size beyond map just because you are scared of reflect

How retarded would it be to level as a bladefall trapper?

>>169762932
try it anyways
your league starter doesn't matter that much, you're not going to be able to compete with the streamers and autists and you'll be able to make a super powerful build within a week anyways

>>169763026
Not at all. That shit is EZ mode.

CA DoT dmg is poor until u get +3 bow with empower

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>Marylene's Fallacy: No longer has the property non-critical strikes deal 40% less damage.
>Assassins can easily cap crit on basically everything
>240% crit mult on a necklace
:thinking:

>>169763026
not retarded

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>HoWA is good
Love this meme
This is without abyssus with nothing really special on the rest of the gear, non-legacy voidheart.
No sin's rebirth nor helmet enchant either.

>>169760680
>chain
>fork
what's that?

t.GGG dev

What's the rarity of Marylene's Fallacy? I think I've vendored one once.

The numbers will shift a little bit due to damage and delay being slightly reworked, but here are values for Edge of Madness's DPS at various levels, given average rolls:

Level 30: 285
Level 50: 365
Level 70: 445
Level 90: 525

That's a totally viable. At 68 it's got a base DPS equivalent to Kondo's Pride. With some updated sword nodes, it could be a real contender. Slap an Added Chaos Damage gem in there, and it starts getting interesting very quickly (a level 18 Added Chaos pumps up the base DPS by about 75% at level 68). As an Assassin with Toxic Delivery, it could be a serious vehicle for DOT's. The only downside is you'll probably be falling back on Cyclone since Blade Flurry isn't available.

Should I start the league as wild strike or ED? I wanna end up using wild strike, but idk if it will be a good starter

>>169763118
I was thinking about this too.

That said, DELETE THIS IMMEDIATELY

>>169763150
yeah, okay, we get it.
poison and double dipping are OP. congratulations on finally figuring that out.
howaa is enjoyed by many because it's ethical.

>>169763150
1m dps

ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED

>>169762237
It's made for sunder.

>>169763308
Too bad sunder is dog shit

>>169763174
it's very common

>>169763275
going melee to start the league can be crappy if your RNG's shit

>>169763150
1. You can't leech from poison, HoWaA has massive on-hit damage and massive leech with Vinktar's 20%. Simply not comparable sustain

2. Scourge is a t16 gated drop, HoWaA you can get on day 1 of farming Dried Lake and killing Esh

>Vis mortis buff
>Unset ring can roll +3 gem level
Spectres build got a little bit cheaper to get started now. Too bad there was no quality of life changes for spectres.

> Frost Blade 60% conversion
> Hrimsorrow 50% conversion

Time to meme

>>169763334
it's melee arc with multistrike. 40% inc dmg is o kay.

>>169763481
Unending Hunger got a buff but otherwise this patch was all about muh zombies

>>169763481
>Too bad there was no quality of life changes for spectres.
this quote is from 2012

>Raised Zombies now have a melee attack range of 9 on their basic attack, up from 4. Their slam ability is now more visible, has a 25% larger radius, and will be used more readily.
are zombies unironically end game viable now

>>169763708
that's because there have been no -significant- quality of life changes to spectres since 2012.

>>169763513
>melee arc
In what world is this anything better than complete dog shit?

stop explaining my jokes to me.

>>169763857
it's comfy. you get a stat stick or max block. just zip around. you'll see.

Can you start with a HoWaA build on day 1? Ranger or Shadow?

>>169763819
they always have been
i have a friend who goes zombie summoner EVERY SINGLE LEAGUE and makes it to 94+

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>>169763295
Well, apart from a straight up poison immune enemy, that's basically worst case. It's also non-abyssus and there's really no reason to not use abyssus vs shaper.

>>169763404
Between claw implicit, bloodrage, tree, and atziri flask, you'll have about 5% leech. 5% leech when you have over 4x the raw damage is easily comparable to 20% leech.

>>169764070
you've already started one.

>>169764101
>i have a friend who
stfu

>>169764070
no
you can't
you need hotams to level a howaa character effectively

ranger by far for the elemental immunity and all the frenzy charges and damage

>>169764173
>stfu
what's your problem?

>>169764127
>104k average hit
nah nigga you high

>>169763819
Zombies are pretty good. High life, high resistances, decent damage, plus you can get life 10 of them easily.

Buff to Monties and the new gem will make them even better.

The problem with summoner is that it's not fucking fun to play because of AI.

>>169764024
You're retarded. If you're using Brutus' Lead you're dual wielding, not using a stat stick or shield. And I've leveled a sunder character before. It's completely fine up until you have to kill a rare and you're at a complete standstill without explosions.

>>169764223
>you need hotams to level a howaa character effectively
that's moronic. you can level with a fucking bow. or a spell. anything.

>>169764127
post path of building file

>>169764298
if youre leaping youre doing it wrong.

>>169764314
maybe if you have like 60 orbs of regret lying around or plan to reach end-game in a week

Now that the dust has settled, we can all agree the uniques changes are overall pretty good and Zana's new mods should be pretty fun

>>169764509
no, fuck you

Tempest Shield & Reckoning

Any good for a tanky build?

>>169764430
I'm convinced you're just saying random things now.

Hi PoEg, I am relatively new to making builds so I decided to make one around a unique. I am going to do a dual wield Brutus' Lead and use Ancestral warchief totems with the Chieftain Ascendancy.
www.poeurl.com/4RO
Can anyone assist me with my skillpoint placements, thanks

>>169764448
you get 24 skill refund points. more than enough

>plan to reach end-game in a week
Not everyone is a shitcrow like you. Stop acting like you're not in the presence of ELITE HC players.

>>169764509
yes
i think these new zana mods are pretty cool
but why have a mod like "area contains spiders"?
who's paying 6 chaos for that?

>>169764581
What kind of retarded question is that?

>>169764670
maybe more pack size? who knows

>>169764657
if you think you can viable level a howaa character without having hotams/howaa, you're the shitcrow
enjoy trying to buy them when you reach end-game super late with a shit character built around and item you dont have

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>>169764670
some of us will pay for it

>>169764581
there's an ascendency named Gladiator you can read about it on the web

>>169764612
>poop planner
>retarded pathing
give me back those 10 seconds of my life

>>169764687
retarded because it's obviously good or retarded because they're bad skills

>>169764767
come back tomorrow and maybe someone will explain to you how to make currency

>>169764893
enjoy making currency with a garbage build

>>169764852
Retarded because your question is retardedly vague without context. Meat and potatoes, good for a meaty build?

>>169764257
That's the stage 1 BF initial hit, despite it being set to release at 6. So it's 200k+ per hit and then also has the 6 release hits.

>>169764330
http://pastebin.com/jTDyiciz
Don't click it it's a virus
I think everything on there right now is real gear, although usually I would switch out the taste+witchfire with dying sun+quicksilver for general mapping.

>>169763213
Eh you can use ice crash with swords as well for chill. Maybe some niche build possible with 50% conversion hrimburn + poison double dip?

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>Tfw Ancestral Warchief is stil my favourite build
>Funner and cheaper than most meta shit
>Still near-T1 clear for very low cost, only need a 5L
>Can do it as league starter and transition from 2H to FB with minimal respeccing

Testing on Standard it's about 150/250k+ tooltip per totem (Aoe/Conc) at level 78 with pretty average gear and Grace + AA + Lightning Coil/PoL + 6 End charges. If I can get my hands on 900%+ FBs in Legacy then it'll be even better

Why are people assuming it's getting nerfed btw? The gem goes off weapon range and I didn't see anything about weapon range changing.

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the nerf to Pyre single-handedly killed CwC poison Vortex and slightly nerfed WI

as Tasuna would say, "very good."

>>169765134
>near t1 clear

no

>>169765027
nice thank it sick i cummed pant

>>169765134
Weapon range only affects the center of the aoe placement, not the aoe of the effect. With the aoe nerfs you'll essentially have a permanent conc effect sized aoe.

>ancestral meme
>near t1 clear
>post 2.6 aoe changes
oh no... it's retarded.

ancestral warchief is t3 clear at best

How good is Sunder for single target now?

What's your guys SSF ladder build plans? I think i'm doing fb totems

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>>169765396
but flameblast is done

SSF might as well be renamed the FB totem league
lmao

>>169765396
ED
Flora's Gift is now a +2 chaos gems craftable base

>>169765396
>ssf

>>169765447
You actually quoted me like I said. Good job.

So how do you guys plan on making money early on this league

Is farming Esh early going to be profitable? HoWA claws should be hot since the build only got stronger, and the weapons rarer.

>>169765396
>>169765447
I meant facebreakers

>>169765134
>>Still near-T1 clear for very low cost, only need a 5L

lol

>>169765396
Probably FB totems too. I'm considering selfcast Spark cause I like not having to aim projectiles and bows will be shit to roll, but I will be GULPING a mana flask and going pathfinder if the MOM mana nodes are worth it. Only think is single target on spark is shit.

>solo self found
reminder you are NOT ALLOWED to talk to anyone about your builds or how your game is going

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>>169765468
FB honestly doesn't look that good anymore, and in a SSF context where you have no access to cast speed, it's going to feel like ass for fast mapping

>>169765134
>AW scales with AoE for smash radius and attack radius
>uses inc aoe+aoe nodes+martial artistry
remove inc aoe from the setup and then test it. The aoe will probably be close to what it is nex patch.

>>169765646
[citation needed]

>he isn't planning a Conversion Trap Elemental Hit build

next thing you're going to tell me is that you play softcore standard league, LOL

>>169765668
>no access to cast speed
[Citation Needed]

>>169765553
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>>169765592
so your ssf build plan is to get good jewellery and a specific unique drop

>>169765363
Who the fuck knows at this point. It sounds like it does 40% more damage to the primary target.

Did you even look at the picture you posted
It got hit the least by the AoE nerf, every single other skill is worse than that. Maybe except for BF.

>>169765302
>>169765134
Every skill has like 20% less radius now in maps.

>>169765134
Its hit harder than other skills by AoE nerfs.
>>169765553
Farming any breachlord will be cost effective. Uul-Netol is going to be big bucks with the surrender though.

No the build got weaker since vaal disc nerf.

traps are gay

>>169765820
It literally got hit the same as everything else.

>>169765804
actually two specific unique drops, was thinking of rigwalds curse too

>>169765745
other SSF builds don't rely on a specific stat to make their mapping feel smooth is all I'm saying

try Flameblast with less than 50% cast speed
now apply Spell Totem's x0.7 cast speed penalty

yeah

>>169765837
>Uul-Netol is going to be big bucks with the surrender though.

It was already selling good before, is it jumping in value since gladiator is going to be more popular this league?

>>169765910
it's going to be rarer this league

>>169764127
I bet you get stunned, lmao

>>169765910

>rarer
>1h weapon buffs
>anvil got buffed too

probably

>>169765910
Rapiers are going to be insane so I would say so

If you are not running Breach+Talisman+Tempest this league you probably suffer from a mental disease.

>>169766082
>not beyond breach perandus

are you mental

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funny how this is relevant again

>beyond
overrated trash

hybrid
RF + scorching ray CWC fireball
juggernaut + endurance charges
geofri's sanctuary + shapers touch + doon
STR and regen focused


how stupid is this?

probably 14k ES + 5k? life after 2.6

>>169766231
okay if you manage 75% chaos res

you're honestly very stupid if you don't run double beyond

>free xp is overrated
sounds like you are trash

>>169765910
> Breachlords going to be more rare
> Surrender is BiS for block
> 1h buffed
> anvil buffed
> Lioneye's remorse buffed (shield people use before the surrender)
> legacy BoR with 15% block available
> Blade flurry still good

>>169766231
why

>>169766231
go guardian instead

>Brutus' Lead Sprinkler: No longer has Added Fire Damage against Ignited enemies. Now Adds 2-4 Fire Damage to Attacks per 10 Strength.
dude
like
let's put howaa on an 8% crit weapon, but make it fire instead

How often will reliquaries drop? Worth counting on it or will it be rarer than exalts, which i get 1-2 per league.

>>169766423
lol why would they make the main league item rarer than an exalt

probably not that rare
you'll probably by far mostly just get trash legacy items from it though

>>169766423
i'm guessing as rare as t1 unique drops are
and if not that rare, than a little less rare, but with actually good items in them being exalt/t1 rare

oh i thought you said league stones. hmm, i imagine they'll be more common than an exalt but the better legacy unique will be weighted

>>169766290
i wish 1h melee skills other than bf werent so shit because i got bored out of it last league

it's an insane build tho, literally unkillable

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>>169766231
>probably 14k ES + 5k? life after 2.6
There's a reason why LL RF is a thing, but hybrid RF is not. Can you figure out why?

>>169762296
10 Endurance Charges freeze\chill immune RF/Molten Shell Chieftain with 90% physical damage reduction. Gotta get that fucking legacy Kaom though.

>>169766416
It doesn't have a %inc str mod and the tree is garbage for maces with elemental attack on the left side. You won't get anywhere near HOWA damage. Maybe 40%.

>>169765069
I was contemplating something similar, albeit with Frost Blades. Edge is losing its "1% increased elemental damage per level" mod, so I'm less inclined to go that route. Maybe have one of those for clearing trash packs while falling back on Viper Strike for bosses.

Viper Strike's threshold jewel giving Unholy Might makes it much more interesting than its original incarnation. Viper Strike-Melee Physical Damage-Multi Strike-Added Chaos Damage would cover the single target for leveling. Grab a freshly upgrade Cherrubim's Maleficence with its 50-80% increased chaos damage at the start of mapping and things will be looking pretty good.

Edge of Madness has always been one of my favorite uniques (and Beyond is my favorite league of all time) so I'm actually exciting to be able to use it for real. Once the tree is released, I'll do some more serious theorycrafting. Changes to sword nodes in the ranger area might be a big deal, especially the elemental conversion ones. Might make the Hrimburn idea that much more interesting.

>>169766305
because
1. i don't want to play BF
2. what the fuck do I even do with a hybrid STR build otherwise

>>169766371
how would i get the endurance charges?

>>169766416
It's a mace, what you gonna do groundslmao

>>169766627
i died on my surrender, red nightmare, blade flurry glad to a ghosted volatile skeleton

>>169766783
>>169762325

>Siosa now sells all quest gems once you've completed his quest and the quests required to unlock the appropriate tiers of gem rewards
>They actually fucking listened

>>169766627
wild strike is fun

ice crash was buffed now too right?

aoe changes will hurt though

>>169766783
spooky toss or sunder

>>169766867
No, for real. What could you even use this for besides a shitty ST build?

>>169766972
infernal blow

molten strike

eq

shield charge

>Anarchist's gives +2 to socketed Chaos gems
>You can now have a +5 to Caustic Arrow Bow

>>169766627
Yeah, Surrender + legacy BoR will be damn near immortal. Add a freshly buffed Anvil and a Red Nightmare and you could probably max block while using The Brass Dome. Have fun AFK'ing in Uber Izaro's room.

>>169766972
I wasn't kidding, STR stacking makes Iron Grip an insane damage multiplier since your melee bonus now applies to Molten Strike's meatballs, it's all fire so you can use fire penetration, and Dying Sun + helmet enchant makes it t17 viable

guess you need Mathil to make a build about it to be convinced of something most melee players are already aware of

>>169767021
>infernal blow
not a real skill
>molten strike
again, not a real skill
>eq
real, but meh with the new AoE making it worse than base aoe of 2.5
>shield charge
a real stupid idea when you need to dual wield the scepters.

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Thx for a new worthless unique.

>>169767094
Surrender has got to be my favorite item they've added in a long time. Only way to die with it on is something like getting exploded by phoenix or a nasty volatile.

>>169767048
It's a staff-only prefix you dumbo
You can't naturally roll +2 ele on a bow except with essences

>>169758785
is mjolner useful now?
spell damage could be pretty high with Repentance gloves

>>169767260
How is Surrender any better than Aegis? 250 life on block is the equiv of 250 ES on block (12500 armour for Aegis, 6250 for legacy Aegis), hardly game-breaking, it allows you to focus on life rather than ES gear but is by no means the end game option if you have enough currency

>>169767094
i doubt you can cap resists using brass dome unless you're RT

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imagine trying to clear uul netol with the aoe nerfs

>>169767415
should be easy

>>169767370
No because there are no good lightning spells besides Discharge which deals no damage when triggered and got a massive AoE nerf with 2.6

Mjolner Arc = no single target damage

>>169767128
You realize iron grip won't scale the balls here since they wouldn't be phys right?

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>>169767415
my secret op build is unchanged

>tabula is like 28c in hc
>all the 1c uniques are like 5c in hx

Fuggggg. How am I supposed to level.

>quit last league after dumping my ex into some varunastra ST experiment
>could clear about everything with a bit of effort
>it's actually getting buffed by a shitton
>it's going to be even more affordable this league

is this real life

>>169767660
yes

What builds is everyone going now?

SSF players only, no poetrade scummers

>>169767639
You're not there's a new league in 3 days you retard

>>169767372
Aegis builds look completely different than Surrender builds and its a lot tougher to build a gladiator to fully take advantage of aegis.

>>169767689
start with with flameblast totems to farm currency then save up for ele bladeflurry gear (skyforth etc)

>>169767689

Elemental hit only.

>>169767689
Flameblast Totem Elementalist

I look forward to selling you gear after you give up on SSF.

>Unending Hunger Jewel was BUFFED like mad
>You only needed 1 before
>Still only need 1 and no longer need to worry about Int allocation
Not bad.

>>169767660
>mathil is considering varunastra something to be his starter build
>it's going to be even more affordable this league
hate to break it to you senpai, but it's not

>The following changes cannot be obtained by rerolling the item's mods with a Divine Orb
So that means they remain legacy?

>>169767563
>since they wouldn't be phys right?
That's not how it works at all...?
Molten Strike is 100% phys with 60% conversion, STR's damage bonus applies before conversion, maybe try not to correct me if you lack a basic grasp of 101 game mechanics

>>169767714
I'm trying to learn hc in the downtime between leagues.

I got to act 4 on normal but now I'm being raped by the hc economy.

>>169767886
We're talking about the new Brutus' Lead Sprinkler weapon you retard. Maybe 1% of the damage you'd do in a build like that would be phys.

With Dyadus + Brutus Lead Sprinker, you can get 500-600 fire damage damage with 1.49 attack speed. The only problem is that you still need an axe only ability (Lacerate/Cleave) which makes it shit. I'm considering DWing the sprinklers to use EQ or something instead though (slightly less attack speed but about the same damage, more if you reach over 1k STR).

>>169767964
You should never need to trade to progress to merciless dried lake.

>>169767779
>and its a lot tougher to build a gladiator to fully take advantage of aegis.
new Geofri's says otherwise
Skin of the Loyal says otherwise
The Vertex says otherwise
+3 gem level unset rings say otherwise

Let's put it this way: if you can manage to get above 12500 armour and a ~500 ES buffer, non-Legacy Aegis is already starting to be better than Surrender and you get +5% cold res

At 20-30k armour range, Aegis starts to become much better, let alone with a legacy one

Surrender is a nice balance of offense and defense but simply cannot compare to Aegis for a pure tank spec

>>169767372
Because Aegis needs you to use an ES + armour chest instead of belly / lightning coil / something else.

>>169767886
Holy fuck you're retarded, BLS adds pure fire so IG literally does nothing. I've you're going to be condescending about game mechanics at least actually know them.

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>Sunder is buffed
It already melted every pack and is a great Uber Izaro/Atziri running build. It's only problem was its single target was a tad weak and they fixed it.
With the Reliquary Legacy Uniques and 1-h buffs, Path of Gladiator is going to be so good.

>>169768360
sunder is unironically one of my favorite skills in the game

I'm excited

>>169768071
>>169768252
So dual-wield it with a high pdps weapon and still reap the benefit of massive STR stacking bonus to molten strike's balls? Really, we're talking about possible applications of the weapon and you're so dense you can't imagine any other scenarios than using it alone?

>>169768160
The thing is with new geofri's and aegis you pretty much need a formless inferno to get even close to the base armor values. And then only when using granite you surpass 12500 armor. All while gimping your build with ES gear and armor which doesn't scale as well as with actual armor builds.

>>169768442
Just stop replying. Every post you make digs you deeper.

>>169763213
Edge of Madness looks fucking amazing this League.
>A Unique Weapon you can equip early on and level with all the way into end-game that never gets rotated out for something better
Also,
>Dark Seer unchanged and still shite

tell me about this axe /poeg/

is it worth it on a gladiator

>Dyadus to get 50% more damage
>Get 800-1000 STR
Decent Dyadus roll is 200 avg damage per hit right now, 50% more is 300. 800 STR = 240 avg fire damage. 440 damage, Dyadus attack speed is 1.49 max roll = 656 dps one hand damage. BLS is 1.44 attack speed so dual wielding is actually better, 480 avg damage * 1.44 = 691 dps.

>>169768442
You are beyond retarded if you're trying to scale phys and fire at the same time without conversion. Stop trying to act like you know actual game mechanics or theorycrafting.

>>169768525
Great argument. If you're going to stack 1000 STR the same way you stack 1000 INT for HoWaA, surely Iron Grip is a terrible 1-point investment with no significant dps increase.

>>169768528
>Dark Seer unchanged and still shite
At least they didn't nerf vacuum again.

>>169768360
don't forget about deadhand talisman being available

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>>169768575

forgot pic ayy lmao

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>>169768585
>wants to stack 1000 str for a weapon that adds base fire damage to attacks per strength
>thinks not dual wielding that weapon in favor of a phys weapon is a good idea

>>169768575
>>169768692
you can make it worth dual wielding with soul taker

Never played vaal spark, want to try it before they gut it next league. It's a shitty starter build though, so i'd like to respec into it later on.
Since inquisitor seems to be the VS ascendancy, my startig build has to be templar. How bad is like flameblast totems for leveling and early currency gathering?

>>169768590
holy shit
i was confused as to what general i was in for a few seconds

>>169768590
Fair enough I suppose. With the death of AoE, I may see about a Spooky Toss/Cyclone Raider running Edge of Madness.

>>169768792
don't level with fb totems
you will suffer for cast speed
do the bog standard flame totem + firestorm

>>169768575
>>169768692
It works fine for map entry. Eventually you want to get a good rare that's faster and hits harder.

>>169768735
It's a viable possibility, considering that unlike HoWaA, your STR stacking already scales phys damage so dual-wielding two of them isn't that much of an evidence.

>ever taking IG
lel

>>169768143
Yeah but it's super convenient. I just want a 4 link i can such stick with throughout the entire leveling process.

Without a unique you're basically married to the first shitty 4 link rare you find.

And like I've leveled all the way like that before but it would just be a smoother process with a windscream or something.

>>169768847
Once i reach maps with flame totems/firestorm, do i switch to flameblast totems? I'll need to farm up some ex for the VS build

>>169768692
Vagan mastercraft renders that shitty axe useless.

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>>169766693
>Edge of Madness
>Viper Strike
>Cherrubim's
You might be into something here
Lacerate sounds good too

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>>169768792

>before they gut it next league

>>169768925

Molten Burst Axe

Siosa now sells all quest gems.

Does that mean what i think it means?

>>169769179
It means setting up SSF is easier since you don't have to rely on Masters and random drops to get the Gems you need if your Class doesn't naturally get them.
It also means Jews trading Gems at League Start at comically high prices, 1C for a fucking Fortify support, are a thing of the past.
And it doesn't impact Added Chaos or the Empower/Enhance/Enlighten triad.

>>169769179
Yeah it means witches get increased duration, immortal call and faster attacks now

OpieOP

>you can now only have one instance of blade fury at once
>you can now only have one instance of blade fury at once
>you can now only have one instance of blade fury at once

>>169769460
Oh noooeoeoes, how will my CWDT builds that run 3 copies of Blade Vortex survive!?
It's not that big of a deal.

one step closer to ethicality

>>169769460
Get fucked

>>169769460
A lazy solution to the BV stacking issues.
It unintentionally fucks over the strat of using a second BV for PCoC so you don't need skyforth.
Guess I'll just have to use OoS or ball lightning. Maybe put PCoC on tempest shield?

>>169769460
>people actually used 2 sets of bv, one for charge generation and another for damage

why did people do this it's so painfully boring

>>169769609
>It unintentionally fucks over the strat of using a second BV for utility
what makes you think it's not a welcome balance change, intentional or not

Is NeverSinks tornado shot nub build affected in any way?

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So has blade vortex REALLY been ruined? Was this not just addressing the exploit of two different BV gems?

>>169769631
People used 2 sets of Blade Vortex for triggering CWDT chains and stacking Ignites as well.

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reddit's disgustingly plebeian

https://goo
.gl/forms/kmoDqoXFWmlE5s5b2

>>169769795
Only if you min/max and go for a Reach of the Council since it's now gimped beyond compare.

wtf heretic veil is shit now

Legacy ones are going to be worth like 100ex soon.

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>>169769883

>>169770024
>caring about dumpster league

What is SSF

RIP drillneck.

covenant isn't complete shit now

solo self found

>>169768939
You're not going to be twinking at the start of the league though. It's better and more convenient to be able to just do it without it, and then once you have money to twink then you can just do the same thing except faster killing.

>>169769609
PCoC tempest shield is 1 charge per cast. Just go OoS like everyone else.

Also guys, I found the BLS build. Completely forgot about Fireborn jewel. It's actually useful for more than Oro's now.

>>169770193
>>169770268

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>>169769883
>SSFHC
>less than 5% of players
>less than 1% after a week
Blunder of the century incoming?

>>169770285
>PCoC tempest shield is 1 charge per cast. Just go OoS like everyone else.
Are you sure? Wiki seems to imply otherwise.

>>169770285
Good point.

Now that SSF is real I'm going to use it to practice my leveling. I'm honestly not ready for a league yet, so I'll just practice leveling in SSF standard.

>>169770347
Playerbase size doesn't matter when there is no player interaction. Its not like they had to dedicate many hours to coding SSF