/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

How do I git gud at making music for my game??

Show me a 2d action game that doesn't rely on pixel art!

>>169340865
Shank

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Anything you attempt you will accomplish. With time, if necessary.
What will you attempt today?

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I've got no progress just reposting my witch character because I'm still looking for suggestions as to how to rig and animate the character in 2D. I'm so far only familiar with 3D animation. Spine looks good but slightly cheaper alternatives would be nice.

You start out in 2015 by saying, “Nodev, nodev, nodev.” By 2017 you can’t say “nodev”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, sourceposting, enginedevving, where's your game, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about static typing, and all these things you’re talking about are totally software engineering things and a byproduct of them is, artists are looking for programmers.... “Cool, nevermind, good luck,” is much more abstract than even the OOP thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nodev, nodev.”

>>169340980
flash still exists, and spriter as I understand it is a cheaper spine
I'm also making an animation tool but I'm going to do skeletal animation/IK until way later sorry

>>169341143
I got a sensible chuckle

>tfw I enjoy enginedevving more than any other part
>tfw there is no demand for more engines when unity/unreal exist

>>169341148
Oh, and something else I've heard a bunch is people doing 2d animations in 3d programs. That's going to be a lot harder to import to a 2d-only engine but it's worth checking out I think

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>>169341101
You can run but you can't hide nodev! We're always watching.

Always. Al... always.... zzzzz

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>>169341229
dude I feel your pain. Engine dev is SO much fun. If I could earn money engine deving without killing myself at a major company I would do it in a heartbeat. Engine dev at its heart comes down to writing good software, and it's so hard to find any opportunity where you can afford to just take the time to make good software.

>>169340865
Shantae Half Genie Hero

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>>169341374
>and it's so hard to find any opportunity where you can afford to just take the time to make good software.

it's almost like writing code doesn't magically get a pass from the basic human constraints of time and money.

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>>169340685
Probably I'll release the beta in 2099

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>>169341729
>it's almost like writing code doesn't magically get a pass from the basic human constraints of time and money.
but meeting those constraints isn't FUN

>>169341789
I have to ask.

Why are you making an engine for a pixel platformer?

Imagine if you had the discipline to work on your game 10 hours a day with no shitposting breaks and lack of motivation.
It would certainly be a good game.

>>169342249
I'm doing that with very minor shitposting breaks. Still it feels like chipping away at Mt. Everest with an old chisel and a small wooden stick..

>>169342203
because I wanted to learn how game engines works, it's a good programming practice. I learned a lot

>>169342249
I already spend 8 hours a day at my 9-to-5

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Anybody on here have their game greenlit? What were your stats? When will they be going through their next batch of games? Any tips?

>>169342445
That's 10 hours of dev and 6 hours of sleep, sounds good to me.

>>169342538
Commute is an hour and a half both morning and evening

>>169342687
Oh, an american.
I'm sorry.

>>169342687
>spending three hours per day just for transport from and to the slavepit

>>169342902
If people like him ever get fed up and quit en masse, your kind is fucked.

>>169342992
>assuming I'm neet
You know that people can be their own boss, right?

>>169343054
And that generally takes money and expertise which you get from....

>>169343054
Yeah, but nodevs on /agdg/ aren't.

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why do people look down on entrepreneurs and gamedevs

>>169343357
They don't?

>>169343132
... having an education.
Learn a trade, shit's ridiculously lucrative. With enough education you can even open your own firm.
Fuck working for some paper jockey for six months in an unpaid internship.

alright, what can I use to capture video of my game that's good and free, other than webm for [whoever]?

>>169343357
They look down on gamedevs because they're jealous of gamedevs' programming knowledge and ability.

They look down on entrepreneurs because entrepreneurs are worthless scum.

>>169343441
OBS

>>169343441
bandicam

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>>169343357
the idiotac swine look down on the intellectuels whomst are smarter then them

>>169343404
>having an education.
which requires...

>>169343454
>entrepreneurs are worthless scum
Someone's mad and jealous.

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>>169343454
>jealous of gamedevs' programming knowledge and ability.
Good one

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>>169343357
Because you spend all day making toys. Except the toys aren't even for bringing joy and comfort to small children, they're for overgrown manchildren to run away from the responsibilities of adulthood.

Game devs will never be respected because we contribute less to society than YA fiction authors. Make peace with it or an hero. Nobody will care

>>169343517
... you not to live in a shitty country for the first ~18-20 years of your life.
Imagine getting paid for your work while learning your trade. That's life in post-1900 Europe.

>>169343620
>Somebody must cry. Be that somebody.
What? Why?

>>169343620
>Because you spend all day making toys.
>implying i spend anything more than 10 minutes a day devving

>>169343513
There are so many grammer mistakes here that I won't even bother fixing them, what a retard.

>>169343536
Someone realizes that entrepreneurs are jumped-up telemarketers.

>>169343701
So you're a racist, got it.

>>169343620
>Game devs will never be respected because we contribute less to society than YA fiction authors.
Demographics change, brother. Gaming industry ain't getting smaller for a good 100 years, unless some major war breaks loose.

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At what point will you consider yourself a success?

>>169343830
>unless
got some news for you m8

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>>169343826

>>169343839
when I no longer feel any desire to post in /agdg/

>>169343441
ffmpeg

>>169343839
when jblow plays one of my games and recommends it

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>>169343839
When Zoe Quinn starts trying to shmooze on me. So I can tell her I'm asexual, and rake in the big bucks.

>>169343839
When I won't have to attach tiddies just to get people to notice my post.
So now.

>>169343620
>Every game must actively subvert boredom to get the player to waste time playing the game by tricking their brain into thinking their doing something productive.

Or you could try making good games that don't do that so the player actually gains something real from playing the game.

>>169343839
when i don't have to work retail

>>169343839
When I make enough money to stop working

>>169344123
i wish i was as successful as you

>>169343839
never

>artfag starts a game that looks cool
>it dies or they go start another

every time

>>169343357
Because there are four types of entrepreneurs and three of them are assholes

1) Elitists who think everyone with a job is a moron
2) "Entrepreneurs" who never come out with any product and live off neetbux/other people's money
3) Entrepreneurs who's product is selling you books/videos on how to become an entrepreneur
4) Successful entrepreneurs

>>169344168
>gains something real from playing the game

You can't name a single game that does this and you know it. This level of self delusion is actually very worrying.

An Educator for 15 years in the public school system and never have I faced the disrespect and casual disregard for respectful discussion as I have when simply asking A) How best to get my students involved in Game Development and B) Which engine are you using?

>>169343839
I just want to make games my entire life. At any point I want to be able to look back and be proud of everything I've done. I don't want to make a game and regret making it. This will probably happen and it will be a mistake. At the very least I want to learn not to repeat that mistake. I don't want to ever desire women, or money, or fame more than making good games.

>>169344463
cool, n/m good luck!

>>169344480
I want you to be in the next indie dev movie

>>169344463
Good luck with that

>>169344463
Sorry but we won't be replying to your posts under any circumstances. Good luck with your curriculum.

>>169344426
I got something out of The Walking Dead 1.

>>169344463
they should give every 10 year old Game Maker, see which ones make a game after a month, and then start giving those guys scholarships.

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Scared yet? You gosh darn should be.

is whomst a word i saw someone say it in here

>>169343839
When people know my name

>>169344383
>artfag keeps posting sprites/models for months with no gameplay in sight
every time

>>169344463
At least with the artist shtick you could pretend to be different people.

>>169344615
A sense of fake accomplishment from fake protecting your fake daughter from fake zombies to give some fake gratification to your frustrated paternal instincts?

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So I have this awesome idea for a video game, but I don't have any coding or art skills. Is there anyone here who wants to work on a game that already has a great framework of ideas? We will need 1-2 coders and maybe 1 artist/3d modeller. I might help with some coding because I'm good at math but not much. I'm thinking we will split the profit from the game 50/50, I'll take 50 since this idea is gold and whoever else joins will split the other 50. I think it's a fair deal. Just drop you email and we can get started!

>>169344770
>emotions aren't real
Whatever you say, Shadow The Edgehog.

>>169344839
You made it too obvious

>>169344628

Nice progress. Well done.

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How do you promote your game

>>169344883
Your rationalizations are on par with people who live vicariously through celebrity tabloid stories. Well done.

>>169345050
Sell an achievement in a silent auction.

>>169344839

sent ;)

>>169344952
I'm sorry? Did I do something meme-y? I've never lurked this thread so I don't know.

I love that Unity comes with built place holder sprites. Saves so much time from dicking around finding the perfect place holder sprite you want to use instead of actually getting work done.

>>169345057
How can games be real if our eyes aren't real?

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>>169345050

>>169345050
pay youtuber to play it

>>169345050
Shill threads on /v/

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>>169345154

>>169345050
pay speedrunner to run it

also speedjam when

>>169344839
send me a PM.

>>169345050
Show my friends and hope they'll spread the word.

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>>169345045
Thank you.

>>169344426
Go, pen and paper role playing games.

Go is fulfilling in itself as a strategy game, it doesn't need to trick people into thinking their exercising their brain, or trick people through visual or auditory stimulation. Pen and paper role playing games
>train social behavior and decorum
>train empathy and role playing
>train improvisation and creativity

Whether you think those skills are valuable for society or the individual is an entirely different matter. The point is that they don't offer ANYTHING inherently in their design or presentation that tricks the player into doing that thing over something of more immediate or more important priority. They're activities that are inherently rewarding because the person is doing them and gains something from doing it.

>>169343482
fuck, I knew there was something like that, I thought I downloaded it already, thanks

>>169345050
b urself, if its good itll sell :)

You can make good games in any engine, it's just a matter of personal preference.

>>169345050
Make a good game, let word of mouth do its thing

>>169345523
You can make good games in any engine, but you can only make truly great games in your own engine.

I don't care about selling my game. I'll give it away for free when it's done, you can have the source too.

It's not some money-grubbing side business for me, I want to create and share something with you. Something I hope you'll enjoy and look back on fondly.

>>169345696
where is your game in progress

>>169345341
And neither of them are video games. How interesting

>>169344426
People gain from playing good games the same thing they gain from reading a good fiction novel or watching a good movie. It's enjoyable and makes them think a little.

>>169345696
Noble. But I hope for your own sake you have some other form of income, it'd suck if a guy like you suffers from your generosity

>>169343620
Well, joke is on you.
For me, Videogames, movies, mangas are basicly the same thing.

Everything tells as story.

So if they look down on videogames or videogame devs, then they are hypocrites for enjoying movies, reading manga or a book.

Besides that. Yes there are games which are basicly just toys, but I'm not into those.

>>169345696
>Wanting to be paid for you job is "money-grubbing"

>>169345696
As an educator in the public school system for more than 15 years, I think you should be thinking more about your future and less about these romantic ideals. Idealism has its place sure, but you need to know how to budget it.

How difficult is it to make an adventure game that's actually fun and not a walking simulator?

>>169345930
All computer programs should be libre. Anything else is moneygrubbing.

>>169344560
But anon that would be self damning. Really people knowing I made my game would tempt the integrity of fame over making good games. You can't do something in purity if you spend half the time in your life talking about how good you are for doing it. You're just masterbaiting over your accomplishments at that point and you aren't giving 100% to making good games.

>>169346007

From a development point of view: same difficulty
From a game design point of view: more difficult but pretty easy as far as games go.

>>169340856
Have you ever made music on a computer before?

please Help I am stuck logging in tot he wizzaRDZONE

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>>169345854
>>169345825
>/agdg/ continuously holds up gameplay as the sole standard by which a game should be judged, story can never be anything but a distraction from or excuse for poor gameplay
>backed into a corner on the value of games, story is suddenly the only redeeming factor of a game experience

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>>169346260
>agdg is one person

>>169346260
A game can easily be fun and make you think a little through gameplay alone though.

>>169345834
>>169345981
Thanks for your concern, both of you. I'm fortunate enough to have a job that keeps me afloat, so I won't starve by making and giving away games for free.

I think if I tried to make money from it, I'd end up hating it.

>>169346260
video game is suppose to tell story
gameplay is a toy
interactive toy for children
i hate video games that are too video gamey
i'm in it for the story
>>169346362
this is also me

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>>169345696
Fucking socialists get the fuck out of my /agdg/

this is also me

>>169340976
cleaning my room

Where is your game?

>>169340976
To get started in gamedev I have resolved to come up with at least 10 ideas per day. So far I only have 3

The most important part of a game is the music

The most important part of a game is the art

>>169344628
I feel cozy actually

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Early turtle boss.

...he's suppose to look a lot more menacing than he currently does.

>>169346887
I am fairly menaced actually

>>169346887
this almost looks like clay

>>169346887
fight or flight kicking in as we speak

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>>169346260
A good told story involves gameplay.

A good game creates a little, coherent, self explaining and plausible world the player travels in.

Masterbating about pixel perfect colission and my cool animation engine and the JUICE, WE NEED MORE JUICE GOD DAMN IT. WOW THAT JUICY is not better.

/agdg/ need some balance.

You can't make a coherent plausible game when you don't even have the art.

What you charakter does or how he moves does ALSO depend on the charakter concept. You can't part gameplay from the visuals. Yes some people do this, but you actually can't. Not if you want a game where VISUALS and GAMEPLAY match in one MOLD, which is the finaly GAME.

VISUALS and GAMEPLAY is ONE. If you neglect this, it will show in your final product.

This is what divides the mediocre from the good games.

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messing around with my in-game level editor
made a 5-digit combination lock, can only get through if you know the password

>>169346863
Name one game that is over 20 years old that people still like that had shit gameplay, shit story, shit music, but good art

Risking it all, without ever knowing what's at stake

>>169347056
I'm sorry for spelling like crap. I hope the message still comes through.

>>169347056
You don't need gameplay to tell a story. How much gameplay does a book have?

>>169347105
>a game that is over 20 years old
>but good art
your tarded

>>169347105
Shadow of the Beast was released in 1989 and it had amazing art and music but shit story and gameplay.

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>>169347461
>20 years ago was 1997

>>169347415
You are right.

I meant this in a game making context.

On it's own this sentence doesn't make sense.

>A good told story in a videogame involves gameplay to tell the story.

>>169347607
>that people still like

>>169347415
You could make a game with no gameplay that tells a story, but making a non-branching VN isn't utilizing the medium to its fullest. At that point you might as well just have a book with some illustrations in it. Games work best when the player feels like they're meaningfully interacting with the game world and for that you need decent gameplay.

>>169347786
I like it.

>>169347786
it was a great game

>>169347654
Jesus I'm old. 31 and barely any prospects other than making a game and hoping I make millions so I can buy a small boat and sail on the ocean with my gf and visit other countries.

>>169347461
I think that's the point. Art ages like shit, unlike every other component of a game.

>>169348014
Chrono Trigger still looks good.

Ultima VII still has charm.

Attempts at photorealism are what age like shit.

>>169347415
You're right, but a video game that lacks captivating gameplay is wasting the medium. It's like if you went to the threatre to see a movie, only to find the entire film was just text projected on the screen. The text could still convey the plot, maybe it'd even be interesting, but there was no point in it being a film instead of a book.

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>>169347951
Making an indie game in 2017 is absolutely the road to that goal my friend. GOOD LUCK

>>169348112
But those games aren't remembered for their art primarily.

>>169348245
Their art certainly doesn't offend, though.

>>169345696
collectivism is for faggots, and you could do a lot more good anyway by using money that you earn for your collectivist faggot ideals. enjoy poverty.

>>169348014
i know it does but that doesnt make it the most important part
there can be games without art, but for mainstream games (the ones that actually make money), art is the main selling point

>>169348245
>remembered
no ones talking about games being remembered dumbass slag this general is for making money and successful games

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I realize it's unsatisfying for me to make a game and I don't have art and yet don't know how it looks or if it will look nice, and how I want it.

I feel like I need to become an artist first before I make a game.

Idea -> Art or Design -> Code
I think this way it's more satisfying for me.

You first draw it, then you make it come to life.
If you first make it come to life, you never know what exactly is coming to life, and what monsterly creation you breath life into.
So why dev?

>>169348438
Good luck!

Who are some indie game devs worth following on Tumblr for inspiration?

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I have found a new appreciation for the grease pencil with making layouts and placing assets in blender.

I might actually finish a project I set for myself in the next three weeks, this is a neat feel agdg.

>>169345775
dwarf fortress

>>169341093
I remember reading this but i don't remember anything about him making a game, is this a sequel or something different made by the same author.
Whats the name, reverse image search brings up nothing.

How's your weather simulation going anon? Still weak shit or have you finally implemented something worth a damn?

>>169348952
Who?

>>169348303
Yeah of course, but people remember them most for the gameplay, story and music. For exemple, you can show a bunch of people a screenshot of the game, and the reaction will just by "Oh, that's Chrono Trigger". But if instead you start playing the battle theme, the reaction is more akin to "Hey, that's Chrono Trigger!" Music generally invokes emotions better than visual art can.

>>169348365
Minecraft, Touhou and Undertale are all succesful indie games and none of them have good art. And actually, "being remembered" is pretty good to make money because it's what allows you to create succesful IPs and keep making money off of it for years. Even Chrono Trigger, who wasn't turned into a franchise, still makes money for Square just by being ported to newer consoles and have people buy it again. Meanwhile, nobody will ever buy a port of The Order regardless of how good its graphics are. Since we're indie devs, most of us are working under a tight budget, so my point is it'd be better to prioritize other aspects of the game if you have to make a choice. Art just needs to be "good enough".

>>169349252
Those games have great art, fucking retard
Its just styling

>>169345696
>>169345696
>>169345696
this is cool if you can afford to live!

>>169347843
>>169347908
>that had shit gameplay, shit story

>>169345775
You can translate this easily to video games.

In strategy games you learn logical thinking. You need this to build this. You need this to build that.
Also you calculate in your head if your army units are enough against the other army units. They are double as tough. But only half the count.

A game with a good story tells you an interesting moral lesson. Maybe it even makes you cry. Or teaches you something that makes you feel more content as a human being.

>>169349623
Beast had absolutely awful gameplay and story, but I still like it. What don't you understand about this?

lets collab

>>169349731
how?

>>169349446
t.ZUN

>>169349252
>>169349446
Those games have *relatively* shit art, i.e. "bad" compared to the top % of professional games that enlisted greater technical skill, but they are still in an elite league compared to the vast majority of indie games.

Undermeme has stupid looking shit like the player sprite, but it's generally a passable style and the rest of the game is so endearing that it becomes a self-contained meme of its own and transcends conventional gauges of quality. Plus the art in Undertale that wasn't by toby fox was really fucking good, like the turtle merchant which was drawn by some professional artist who blocked me on twitter when I made a joke about her tumblr tier homosexual anthro animal characters kek

>>169349760
Are you a 3d modeler? I wanna do a 1 week jam this week.

>>169344628
>scared
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOpcdJ_V5_M

>>169349795
how what?

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What did they mean by this?

>>169350318
what DID they mean by it for real i didnt see it

>>169350008
how can you like a game with bad gameplay and story?

>>169347951
30 here. Same plan. But no gf. Living alone, so self motivating becomes really hard

>>169350740
Its atmosphere. Back when it came out there was nothing like it.

>>169350318
Look at something, the thing you focus on is detailed. You can see the objects surrounding the one in focus. But they are not as detailed. But we are still very easily aware when something out of focus moves, so we can react to changes accordingly.

>>169350753
Get a platonic male life partner?

>>169347105
dark seed

AHH FUCK STOP BEING LOUD STOP TALKING PEOPLE ARE TALKING ALL AROUND ME STOP IT FUCK. STOP TALKING TO THE RADIO. STOP YELLING AT THE RADIO. IF I COMPLAIN IT JUST RESULTS IN MORE YELLING. STOP IT PLEASE FUCKING. I JUST WANT TO SHOVE PENCILS IN MY EARS AND MAKE THE NOISE STOP. MAKE THE NOISE STOP. MAKE TEH NOISE STOP. LET ME BE ALONE. DON'T LOOK AT ME. DON'T LOOK AT ME CODING. DON'T LOOK AT ME DRAWING. DON'T EXPECT ME TO BE SUCCESSFUL. DON'T TELL PEOPLE I'M MAKING A GAME. DON'T TELL PEOPLE I'M MAKING A GAME.

>>169351205
You must be 18 years or older to use this website

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>>169351205
You have exactly one option.

>>169351205
explain

How do I write a good story for my game?

>>169351318
Living at home. Deving in the kitchen.

>>169351372
By taking an RNG and going to town with tvtropes.

>>169351419
That sounds like a recipe for garbage, anon.

>>169351412
Radical idea: Dev not in the kitchen.

>>169351372
Read books by good storytellers. This might include genres/styles/themes you aren't really "into" but it's research, not recreation. though you might surprise yourself

Consult the syllabus of a few Lit courses

How far will I get with Python?
I've been getting really good with ren'py stuff and have made 2 fairly decent games that deal with stats and actual ai based gameplay but it feels like there might be a barrier sometime on the horizon that I won't be able to overcome due to limitations of ren'py

Is the transition to Unity Boo hard?
Is it even worth it?
Should I continue trying to make the most of ren'py?

>>169351532
Thanks anon.

>>169351372
You need an interesting life to write interesting stories

>>169351476
There are tropes that are not inherently bad and some that are redeemed in combination with others.
Chimpanzees and typewriters, really.

>>169351372
Don't have a blank slate main character.
Don't let the player do everything and solve every problem, in good interactive stories time is a factor, times always a factor. Doing one thing should mean missing something else. Unfortunately gamedev likes cutting corners through the illusion of choice. But with this the illusion of choice can't really be hidden.

>>169351551
>it feels like there might be a barrier sometime on the horizon
>barrier sometime on the horizon
>sometime on the horizon

Ren'Py is a toy, what are you doing?

Forget Boo and just do C#. If you are doing what you describe with Python in a little toybox you'll be fine.

>>169350753
Also 30 here. Just want to earn my only money so I'm finally independent from others.

Was living my life as a bitter unhappy person who got everything but is still not satisfied.

Even if it's not by game deving, I don't really care. It would give me the freedom and the piece of mind I want.

I think after this it will be more easily to reach for my dreams, because then people won't bother me and say what I can achieve and what I can not, that I'm stupid or lazy or whatever.

I'm sick of depending on others. I just want to live my life the way I feel it's right.

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>>169351526
Oh, thanks, I've never thought of that before.

>>169351672
Well, There are some really good games that have been made with ren'py

For example Sakura Dungeon was made in renpy
http://store.steampowered.com/app/407330/

And it's like one of the top tiers of dungeon crawlers

I really like the hand holding and how I can more easily organize my code and make it look nice and pretty
And it spots every little mistake I make without me having to spend hours searching for it

I really really really like Python

>not realizing that obtaining a trade skill like being a plumber gives you obscene amounts of free time, you're always in demand, and you can pursue any dreams you want especially if you live frugally

>n-no
You people coming to gamedev in some last-ditch effort to climb out of a tedious existence are retarded. It's not going to happen. What ever gave you the idea that this hobby is lucrative to any but 0.0001% of devs?

>>169351205
>>169351412
Dev outside. Problem solved.

>>169351959
Slick marketing from code bootcamps.

>>169351412
>Living at home
Where else would you live?

Link me your stupid fucking tumblrs so I can follow your shitty projects.

>>169351953
Yes, you can make excellent waifubait with Ren'Py. Which is to say it doesn't matter what the fuck you make waifu bait with since the engine doesn't have to do anything except present still images in the correct order.

If you want to make something more complex than waifu bait, you will eventually have to move on from Ren'py. If not, god be with you

>>169351959
>but I'm different than all those other devs

>>169352313
Anon I think you can harvest that information from the recent recap if you really wanted!

>>169351959
I'm not your average Joe

>>169351372
For a game specifically, I think a good story starts from a feeling you want to convey to the audience.

From there you start developing this conventionally, with characters, a few scripts for some moments your game will have,
and worldbuilding (assuming that's an important part of your game). During this, you think about how gameplay is going
to relate this feeling - what the player is doing and how it feeds into the experience of the main character or what the player
represents. If you haven't got a genre or type of game figured out initially, it should come about here.
You think about the gameplay design; the features and focus of your game will become clear, and you can fine tune each bit
to make it enhance the narrative, if that's possible. (Sometimes abstraction between gameplay and narrative is unavoidable).

So after this, your game could be any number of genres and advice gets abstract. Regardless, by now your ideas should be warm and substantial -
the game is like a soup or ball of clay, and all the gameplay elements, story bits, narrative themes, characters, places, and art should be cloudy and ready to form into
a game. This is where you take it all and plan it out from beginning to end. Level by level, maybe jumping around here and there, but I like
to do it linearly. Do it however you want. If your plot is good and everything works together, it'll come together splendidly with a focus -
if it doesn't, time will either improve it or inspire you to make something different.

There will rough spots where it may seem it doesn't work, but maybe you'll be hanging out with friends, eating lunch in the park, or
taking a shower and that one piece, that foil character, event, or mechanic will just spring up at you, like it was there all along.

This is a turbulent cycle, but when it is complete, your narrative will be done, your game will be planned beginning to end, and every bit of the game will complement each
other.

>>169352313
But anon, augy-doggy is my tumblr.

Is there a better software for making isometric pixel art than Aseprite?
Most pixel art software seems roughly the same, but I wasn't sure if there was anything that offers features/tools that help more for isometric pixel art, than others.

>>169353030
If you are looking for one specific angle of isometry, Marmoset Hexels may be interesting to you.

>>169351661
>in good interactive stories time is a factor, times always a factor. Doing one thing should mean missing something else.
It really depends. Persona lets you do whatever you want within reason before the characters get tired, so while time is a factor, it usually doesn't seem overwhelming. Majora's Mask made time an important part of the story, but more of as a puzzle than as a limitation, since you could rewind pretty easily. You can make time work for you in that game, which is cool.

Running your whole game on a clock can be restrictive and decrease the player's ability to explore and have fun, though. Between a game that lets you play through at a leisurely pace, and one that forced a clock on me, I'd always go with the former. I don't think 100% completion should always be a given, but we shouldn't diminish the player's experience just to force choices.

>>169351959
Surely if you make a good game. Sell it for $2.99 or $3.99 and people buy it you can make $40,000 or $20,000 in one year. That type of income is at least enough to room with someone else or room with your parents and not be completely a deadbeat.

That's still roughly 7,000 people buying your product though which is definitely very hard. I don't see being able to make a game that 7,000 people will want to buy and play as a 1MA as your first commercial game without self induced slave labor. You need to be able to dev 12, 13, 16 hours a day for an entire year to produce a worthy game while being aware of your limitations as a 1MA.

Honestly trying to scale above 1MA as an indie dev sounds significantly more dangerous than shooting for the types of profits I mentioned above. Only a small amount of games are even going to reach that type of profitability.

That's a minimum wage -> lower middle class income. But if you're willing to sacrifice you can make it work. I don't personally think you need to take on all the expenses that (((indie devs))) take on when they have the idea of hitting it big.

You don't need to go to PAX.
You don't need to hire a team.
You don't need to rent a studio and buy new computers.

I see ideal indie dev as sitting in the same room every day trying to make a game and not having to worry about anything else in the entire world. The goal should be to build the safe nest income where you can live.

>>169353184
>Running your whole game on a clock can be restrictive and decrease the player's ability to explore and have fun, though.
Counterpoint: Dead Rising.

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>>169353281
And doing that every year? Is that precarious budget accounting for anything beyond food/rent? How long is such a thing sustainable? Meanwhile you could be building an actual career which leaves you, as you say, with a safe nest income while you dev without worry.

Completely short-sighted idiocy to consider gamedev as something other than a hobby.

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>>169351959
>literally dealing with other people's shit

>>169351735
I'm 25 and i spend the last 7 years working as hard as i could to become a dentist and will finally graduate next year and then work hard for 2 more years to be a specialist so I can make many hundreds of thousands of dollars each year doing very easy work. Then I'm going pay people to make what I want. Seriously, I'll be paying one of you guys in a few years. To all the young ones in here, work as hard as you can right now because you don't die at 30.

>>169343839
When I accidentaly find fanart of my game's mc while looking for something else.

>>169353489
How are you supposed to make anything worthwhile if you aren't being cornered? Fear and getting backed into a corner is valuable. Also if you want game dev to be your life, it can't be a hobby.

A hobby is something you do for leisure, its low priority, other things that are more immediate will always take precedence over it. Any prolific novelist will tell you that writing books is lonely and that you have to sacrifice things like going out with friends, watching tv, and other stuff like that in order to advance their craft and make progress.

If you're willing to sacrifice having kids, getting married, having friends, and various time wasting activities you should be able to become a better gamedev and make more games.

>>169345696

Don't be like that anon. This may sound nice when you're starting, but once you invest 1000+ hours in a project you may look at it differently. The thought of some sort of monetary return for time invested may be necessary to keep you dedicated to getting the work done. There's no shame in releasing a title for a dollar or something like that. It's not like you'd be selling the soul of your game.

>>169353805
Why is a dentist in this thread?

>>169353312
I mean, I offered two counterpoints in my own post. It can certainly be done. It's very easy to fuck up time limits and give the player less of an experience, though. If you really want to make choices matter, make your storyline actually branch in a significant way. Time doesn't need to be a factor unless you have a good way to incorporate it.

>>169353805
I hope you get some extra holistic education.
No Amalgam. Check for allergies before implanting.
Caring for the overall health of your patients.

>>169354056
This is a thread for hobbyists. Dentists can have hobbies.

>>169345696
This sounds nice, but in reality it can affect other devs.
>"This guy released his game for free! Why can't yours be cheaper/free, too?"
AGDG will probably hate this example, but: this already happens in art, where beginners set their commissions very low and end up driving the prices for the who industry down because they don't realize the value of their own work.

Don't sell yourself short. If you make a good game, you deserve to make money off of it. Offer a nicely fleshed-out demo if you want to share for free.

>>169354056
I am a website developer and entrepreneur can I stay?

>>169354470
>dev
>entrepeneur
Both are clearly not wanted here.

>>169353281
Honestly, I don't think 7,000 sales is at all unreasonable.
My demoday submission broke 10k downloads, and I get that there is a very real difference between a paid purchases and a free download, but that was with no trailer, following, or exposure. The last agdg game I remember being published, Vampire of the Sands, is currently clocked at 20k owners on steamspy.

>>169354056
Why not? You'd be suprised how many people here aren't actually pursuing game dev as a career. I'm in robotics engineering, and iirc Hopoo was the same.

>>169354119
>dental career advice in AGDG
That's kind of nice.

>>169353489
you do realize not all game devs are poor right

you could either actually make a successful game, or get a job at a game company prepare for suffering, that's the only amenity on this planet

>>169354543
>>169354556
>>169354573
plenty of people here who have careers and jobs and like to gamedev nothing wrong with that we are all a community

>>169342459
chill out bruh.
stats dont matter, they dont bother to tell anyone when they're ok'ing things they just do it. no tips needed beyond patience.

>>169355148
hey jew scum err i mean jewscum err i mean gogem

how did your most recent yesdev youtube video go?

>>169355265
no one sued me so i guess it went pretty great.

>>169355614
but the commenters seem quite aware that you are stealing? i wouldn't be so sure a suit isn't on the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVWAy2-1b_E

or are we talking about a different video? or maybe i am interpreting the thumbs downs and comments incorrectly nevermind jewscum. err i mean jew scum. err i mean jew. who is scum. gogem
good luck!

>>169355878
I think your style of shitposting would be more appreciated on /pol/.

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>>169355614
>no one sued me yet
Fixed
http://steamcommunity.com/app/519930/discussions/0/217691032430905828/?ctp=10

Has googs even received one (1) money from this silent auction thing?

>>169356063
nice try GIDF but jew is a lovable term for someone who is a dirty rotten greedy monster
like gogem!
take your word policing to reddit thank you and good day

>jews could be behind any post in this thread
>jews could be writing a post right now!
Scary!

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>>169355878
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVWAy2-1b_E
Was permission asked to use these progress posts this time? I recognize some of them they're pretty old.

I only ask because I know in the past gogem has used like hundreds of progress posts without asking and didn't cite any sources so if anyone sees something cool they have to think "durrhh [YESDEV]" instead of knowing the fucking name of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVWAy2-1b_E

If he did ask for permission to use stolen progress posts this time I apologize I just wanted to know.

>>169353281
>Sell it for $2.99 or $3.99 and people buy it you can make $40,000 or $20,000
>That's still roughly 7,000 people buying your product
math doesnt add up: $4 * 7k units is $28k but if youre expecting that to be on steam you need to remove 30% and then taxes. also on steam they use regional pricing so a good quarter of the sales will be below US pricing.
7k units at $4 is more like $17k-18k

>>169356557
i didn't ask permission to use any of these but look at how many thumbs up i have oh master of propaganda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ0e3QUADw8

Bad games have memes
Good games create memes

>>169354556
>Vampire of the Sands, is currently clocked at 20k owners
It's also been 90% off multiple times

>>169356708
not a gogem post. i don't ask permission to be a star bitch. stop crying.

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>>169351205
My dude, invest in earplugs, they're super cheap. Some are meh, but others are pretty good.

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can someone trade me a better card? this one is shit.

>>169356576
Whatever 10k-16k sales then. It feels about as impossible as 7k sales so.

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>>169357041
Rare. Everyone reading if there is no (You) next to this post this image is not for you do not steal it or you will be prosecuted fully.

>>169354556
>>169356881
not only does VoTS pricing get undercut to make those sales but it's black shell media's stewardship that does it so homph is losing out even more percentages to them to run the price into the ground.
me and homph have discussed cash money and SIT has earned me more money than VoTS has earned him despite all the sales and having been out longer

and cat mouth island has even more owners and even less money.

>>169356280
Probably. Like $20 collectively.

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>>169357001
can confirm

I'm going to lewd all of your games' characters!

>>169340523
https://i.imgur.com/r5F3009.png

>>169356576
regional prices vary but often they're roughly the same if not more
in australia we pay more than than americans pay when you convert, and while some of that is for international fees and taxes there's still some left over

>>169357587
Please do. All fanart is welcome.

Googs making school shooter simulators is exactly like the US sending warships to patrol in the South China Seas

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little more work on menus
slow going because i'm working on like 4 things at once at the moment

>>169358604
Also you could theoretically have bid $0.00 and been the highest bidder on the SIT achievement

>be the first bidder
>bid -X$
>highest bid
>get mad stacks from googs
Gettin' rich was never this easy.

>>169357793
i checked the automatic pricing of my game.
steam sells $4.99 USD as $5.69 AUD
at current exchange rate 5.69 AUD is 4.37 USD

>>169359118
>negative is higher than zero
>>169358980
>zero is higher than zero

good thing gamedev doesnt require maths

>>169359236
Where does it say that the bid has to be >0 though?

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>>169359236
>a single bid won't be the highest by default

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>>169356554
It already happened long ago.

Don't you see how everyone in this thread is always demanding 'more juice' ? Or should I write it like this.. 'more Jews' ! *Dramatic Music* *Dun dun duuunnnnn*

>>169359939
There is literally nothing wrong with the jewish race

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>>169359939
Fuck.

>>169360097
*clasps hands around the world money supply*

> trying to add modding support as a project
> passing in basic data from sheets is easy

Now I'll kill myself while thinking how to add the ability to code new behaviors and add models/animations. Time to get Lua integration going..right?

>>169360328
>not creating a new, inefficient, incomplete, insufferable scripting language

>>169360328
For my game modding support is going to be hoping people decide to hack into the game and create their own modding tools.

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Done the modeling on it. Now just gotta uvwrap, make textures, put bones in, weigh it, and animate it. Fun. Ill do it tomorrow.

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>>169340980
Never done 2D more advanced than spritesheets, but she's looking cute dude. Glad you went for no outlines.

>>169347056
Good post. Balance is required in all great things.

>>169358792
Hey, I remember you posting tiles from a long time ago, at least a few months. Glad you're still here, progressing.

Also boys, how the fuck do you do a non-retarded side-step animation?
More generally, how do you do non-retarded animations when your model looks retarded?
Even more generally, why do all those Patricks moving in unison feel so satisfying? A father's pride? The cheerleader effect?

>>169360616
that is a nice raccoon you got there

>>169360097
I know. The human race are all brothers and sisters. Some Jews are bad and some are good. Just like there are good honest white people and some not so good.
Heaven sees us all as individuals, dropped into different places and surroundings to make the best out of it.

>>169360651
Make all points of hellstar fish faces. When going sideways just make it roll to the point closest to the direction it wants to go. The new point on top is now the 'head'

How do I attract a programmer to work with me and do a collab?

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>>169357587
I don't mind it but I'm concerned about some of the potential results.

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>>169360616
personal preference but I recommend skinning before unwrapping

you might have to make changes to the topology when you find out stuff deforms incorrectly

>>169361345
>What engine do you use?
>Unity
>No thanks, I'm not interested. Good luck!

>>169361436
> tfw wont find a programmer buddy that uses Unity
> will never work on our projects, slowly learning along the way

>>169361345
Are you an artist or an idea guy or what?

>>169361538
are you for real? I'm actually looking for an artist for a quick thing.
post something you've made

>>169361538
Working with someone would be nice except I'd want to interefere and show them the "correct" way to do something, and really resent it when they gave suggestions on how I could change my part

>>169361560
Artist
But all programmers lose interest eventually and want to work on gigantic projects.

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>>169360816
This is fucking great. Welp, I guess I gotta make a fiveways symmetrical patrick. Or hellstar, I like that too. Back to blender.

Getting pretty quick at setting up animation blueprints, feels good. The knowledge is coursing through my veins.

>>169361345
If idea guy, a bullet to the head will help. If artist, be really good, and have a portfolio ready to show potential co-devs you might meet on rebbit, agdg, college, the welfare office.

>>169361637
What software do you use for modeling and texturing?

>>169361345
programmer here

post art

>>169360815
>Heaven sees us all as individuals
Heaven is only for the Jews.

>>169344426
>what is improved hand-eye coordination
>what are reflexes
>what is resource management
>what are puzzle-solving abilities
>what is improved decision making under pressure/time limit
>what is risk management

Just because you only play shit like Gone Home where you use literally no neurons, doesn't mean we all do. In fact I could go out on a limb and say that picking up programming is much easier for someone who has experienced video games than someone who didn't. There's plenty of knowledge and skills acquired in games that translate well to programming, and some of them are outright a lighter form of programming. (Redstone in Minecraft, Spell Sequencer in Baldur's Gate 2, etc.)

Hell, there's few things in life you can do that don't really teach you anything, most of the time people just don't realize what they've learned and don't know how to make use of it.

>>169361953
Pretty sure everyone goes to the big dark thing with Jews.

>>169343357
They're all failures until the succeed.
At least that's how everyone looks at them.

>>169344426
iirc there was a study that showed that surgeons that played shooters operated faster and made less mistakes than those who didn't

>>169344480
ConcernedApe?

>>169362093
EU4 teaches you a ton of history without you realizing it

Although sometimes its alternative history, like when the Mamelukes captured Taiwan. But most of the time its pretty real. And beyond people/places/nations, things like using your spies to fund sepratist rebels in a country you don't like, or loans/interest and inflation

>>169344426
I have a very real erection right now.

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So I noticed that the way I did this earlier today was not optimal. As in "it breaks incredibly hard when resizing the window or using slightly different values or a non-english locale". Because it was so much fun, I redid all my work. Now it's theoretically infinitely extendible, looks quite nice, and costs a couple hundred unlocked frames because I use a shitload of nodes and rebuild it completely on a changed value instead of building a sensible refresh function. That will come later, but not today.

>>169362454
Looks great dude, switch the textures to proper dynamic size scrollbars later and it'll be perfect.

>>169362641
Thanks, mate.
Reskinning should be easy, but I'm trying not to do that right now. I have a bad habit of premature beautification, where I pay too much attention on GUI alignment and cleaning up sprites before coding core gameplay.

>>169358792
I like everything about the way your game looks except one thing, which is something I see far too often in top down games, it's that your character looks like he's laying down the whole time.

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Finally getting around to replacing the unitycubes.

Once I'm done procrastinating with this I'll probably totally refactor my enemy system.

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>>169363813
would abuse gently

>>169361436
>>169361538
>>169361725

Reminds me of how agdg is all about the software, IDE and engine and not games.

>>169364085
We should reach out to Tumblr to get some style curation

lets collab and make a castlevania game

who is down?

>>169364373
I'll make the logo

>>169364373
Like everyone designs a monster in the game.

>>169364642
I like this idea artists start drawing monsters for the official /agdg/ castlevania collab

>>169364552
alright lets see that logo

>>169364373
What kind of MC should it have?

we could change it up and give it a female protagonist, and not something unrealistically sexual either

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>>169364954
we could make the next vh

>>169364954
To go along agdg's taste lately, how about a loli furry cum-drizzled fox-kin trap dressed in the slave leia outfit?

>>169364954
So we can make her realistically sexual?

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have this gms2 metro icon for your very specific gms2 metro icon needs

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(; ･`д･´)

>>169361345
what editor do you use? photoshop... sorry, not interested

>>169364954
a 2d monster vampire lady

>>169364689
How about making the monster references to other agdg games?

>>169365258
http://pastebin.com/q0rERq6b
feedback

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>>169365258

>>169365258
wait, that lighting bolt...

>>169346608
time for bed
welp already failed that

>>169365480
Thanks for playing the game and leaving such detailed feedback! I'm actually working on points 11 and 12 right now. I already added 8 direction aiming to the machine gunners and now I'm weighing options for the player. It takes a lot of animation tech to do 8 direction aiming for the player but I don't think I have much choice other than if I made all the player bullets homing or something.

>>169341789
Wow whoa you're back

stupid unity
why call it a textasset if it cant read .css

>>169366123
>8 point aiming
This is a fundamentally different game, imo. Good luck finding a good solution for this!

One other thing that might be relevent: the most fun I had was the room 2 or 3 before the end, with two knifeboys and a maze of blocks. The 4-way shooting felt right in that room as I kited them around. The worst rooms were where I was just standing around trading shots.

[serious] How do I make a funny character?

>>169366604
Smug anime girls make everything funny

>no source posts
This is a nice thread.
nodev@nite a best

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Don't forget to vote in the poll:
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I am closing the poll soon, since it has already run for two days.

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>>169360097
good times

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>>169367474
do Mongols/Buryats still have shamans and shit?

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I don't like menus.

>>169367721
Minimalist is nice but try making it a pop up window and take up less screen room.

>>169362454
Nigga, that's already one of the best UIs in AGDG history. Good wok.

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>>169367474
I think I get it now

>>169367792
For sure. I just took the easy road. I am scared of programming pop-ups but I will get to that eventually.

>>169367719
Here is a video of their shamans rapping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h_hS0d4vqg