/bbg/ ─ Bloodborne General

>>168577207
First for Orphan was instantly aged due to traumatic circumstances: >>168577356

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What level were you when you killed Orphan for the first time in NG? Running a skill build at level 70 with +10 weapons and I barely scratch the fucker before i get slapped for my full HP with a placenta yo-yo.

don't have many BB pics saved, have souls

Asking again if anybody can help me with Logarius.
I'm level 37 now, with 22 VIT.

>>168577542
Did you farm he winter lanterns by Orphan for main game top tier gems?

>>168577671
Password?

>>168577542
First time I killed OoK was in NG+ on my BL98

>>168577732

i've made every attempt to avoid those broken fuckers

how good are the gems they drop?

>>168577792
Pass is blood. Ringing at the boss fog.

>>168577671
>>168577932
Can Logarius be parried?
Can you parry from any distance, or do you have to be right in front of him?

>>168577927
22.3% phys atk up, 32% blunt/thrust atk up I believe, best deal you're gonna get out of non-chalice gems. Just slap Deep sea and great deep sea rune and an eye rune, spend all your insight and wear armor with high frenzy resistance for like +400 frenzy res. You'll kill them before you get frenzied.

>>168578238
Also forgot to mention they drop bloodlet gems, so you can iut the in any slot in your weapon, and they drop with curses like stam down and kin/beast atak down that, if properly olaced, won't affect yor damage. Orphan is not kin or beast btw

Thank you.

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>>168581464
What are you trying to tell us here?

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>>168581535
I somehow got up on that spot next to the doll, that's about it though, nothing special.

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>>168581550
Doll is CUTE

>>168578072
he can easily be parried, sometimes by random melee attacks even. You just have to watch out for the slope of the roof. If you are standing on an incline and so it Logarius, your bullet will be fired way off-course

the fish priest called Byrgenwerth "blasphemous" because they desecrated Kos' sacred corpse. He called them "murderous, blood-crazed fiends" because they slaughtered the people of the fishing hamlet. I'm assuming they killed the people of the Hamlet because they had taken to worshiping Kos (either her corpse or while she was alive), and that had turned them into disgusting fish monsters worthy of hunting.

>>168584457
The guy saying Byrgenwerth killed Kos in the previous thread is just delusional.

>When the carcass of Kos washed up on the coast, its insides were teeming with tiny parasites, unlike any found in humans.

This strongly implies that Kos died by natural means. Whalers don't just kill the whale and let it wash ashore. Besides, there are parallels between the villagers worshipping Kos and Japanese tradition of worshipping stranded whales, since the Japs didn't whale like western sailors. Perhaps Kos didn't survive her childbirth, since the Great Ones have problems with that. And desecrating a corpse is a terrible blasphemy in all cultures, nevermind a corpse of a god or just a revered creature.

Even if we assume Kos was killed by humans, why in the world would Byrgenwerth hunters know how to hunt sea creatures? How would they find her out in the sea? Since when are they sailors? Village whalers, yeah, maybe, I can see them stumbling on Kos in the sea on one of their numerous hauls and hunting her. But the hunters? It's ridiculous.

>>168584457
They didn't slaughter the Fishing Hamlet because the residents just because the residents had become what they did, its because Byrgenwerth wanted what they were having.

Does anyone know or have a link to all the lines said by the wheelchair men? I know a few of them but one of my fondest memories of this game is walking into a farmhouse and having one of them scream something then one shotting me.
I love the Hunter's Nightmare hunters that yell OLD BLOOD too.

>playing dlc for a few hours.
>breeze throught it on my level 60 character suddenly wrist pain
Fuck i want to keep pl aying but its impossible now.

>>168577207
Why do everyone think Winter Lanterns wear the doll outfit?
It looks a lot more like the student garbs to me. It would also make much more sense.
Is it because you all suck vaatividya's cock?

>>168587398
I think its because of the lore dump also. The frame of time between the start of the chruch an the current situation seems to be distorted. It seems to indicate a much shorter period of time equal to decades rather than centuries

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>>168587398

Is Rom the first human to be ascended into a Great One? If so then what's the big deal about Good Hunter becoming a Great One that makes it a "Childhood's beginning"?

>>168588464
I always assumed it's Good Hunter's own childhood as a Great One, not something about humanity as a whole.

>>168588464
Considering what happened with kos its entirely possible micolash is just talking insane bullshit. Kos was dead when it was found by byrgenworth. Its possible that its blood was used to transform rom after a hardship of labor. but i doubt it directly happened as a form of intervention.

The hunter not only transcended but in way that will probably result in a new species.

>>168588464
Childhood's Beginning is probably just a metaphorical title.

>>168589140
but rom is found in the chalice dungeons, doesn't that mean that rom was around before byrgenworth found kos or kosm?

On that level is better to stop leveling if I still want to coop and get summoned into chalice daungeons?

>>168591554
I'm 240 and i still get plenty of coop/invasions in most areas.

Do I seriously need to do Hintertombs for Madman Set? No quick FRC run?

>>168593612
yes you have to do hintertombs
may god have mercy on your soul

>>168593739
I'm 98 and I just realized I'm missing that dank hood.

What do you guys like the most, str or skl?

The only skl weapons i really want to use is BB and the pick, would they be less effective with a 50/25 build with heavy abyssals?

>>168593813
have fun friendo

>>168594098
50/25 str/skl is the best type of build and dont let any arcane weenies tell you otherwise

>>168593739
>>168594115
But hintertombs are easier than fucking Pthumeru chalises
Except lever guardians

>>168594115
>>168594795
First one done. Now time for lower one.

>>168594795
yes but they suck major ass

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>>168585373
>the hunters hunting an animal? The people who fucking found magic healing blood and ascended planes of existence had a boat and a harpoon? So ridiculous

This is what you sound like. Also, if Byrgenwerth were not sailors then how did they even get to the fishing hamlet (which is in the middle of the ocean mind you) in the first place?

FURTHERMORE, the note you find in Byrgenwerth Study Hall says "hunt the great ones. Hunt the great ones," so we know they were in the bussiness if hunting great ones.

>>168594975
And done. Wasn't that bad.

>>168595225
There's also those huge gravestones around Byrgenwerth that an Anon said are for great ones, according to the guide.

>>168595225
Do you seriously unironically see no difference between agile warriors that hunt humanoid beasts on the streets or in caves, and hunting a huge fucking aquatic creature on a ship? Presence of magic in the setting does not excuse any and all logical inconsistencies, Yharnam doesn't even have a port for them to be in any way familiar with whaling, or having ships or anything. There's only a lake.

>fishing hamlet (which is in the middle of the ocean mind you
Where are you getting this from?

And that note is in the Nightmare Study Hall is most likely to belong to people of the School of Mensis, just like the rest of the notes there.

Bloodletting Beast in chalice is such a bitch to kill

now are skill weapons the only ones that benefit the most from heavy abyssals??

>>168589929
Original guy here, I tend to take chalice dungeon bosses as non-canon since it makes unique characters like Ebrietas feel cheap (but BLB, undead giant and the likes do make perfect sense).

If both Rom and Good Hunter are man-turned-Great-One, in what way is he a superior and more "pure blood" Great One than Rom and thus lifts humanity into the next childhood?

>>168598104
No, almost every Physical weapon would get more out of a Heavy than another 27.2% Phys gem. That includes some Strength weapons like Amy Arm, Claw, Stake, Cleaver, etc in a 50/25 Str/Skl build.jut

Is a skill/bloodtinge build viable? Any good?

>>168598560
Only if it's 50/50. 25/50 and 50/25 is not much different compared to a Pure Blt build or a Pure Skill build.

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>>168598560
Viable? Yes. Good? No. They are two very different things.

If you want a good tinge build, this is how you do it.

>>168598401
shit that means i gotta start farming for some heavys doesn't it. well the rough 26s i have will do the job to help me through it

>>168587398
>It looks a lot more like the student garbs to me
What the fuck?

>>168599565
If you've got 50 Strength and 25 or less Skill then yeah. Some stuff like Wheel, Cuttah and Boomhammer might do better with full Blunts.

>>168598560
It depends esentually those builds just complement stuff. In the case of 50skl/blt you get some better use out of the eveylne and can use the the fuck out of an untricked chikage. 50blt gives you way better chikage build but locks you out of the blood letter.

>>168600510

Uhhh Im doing a 50 BLT run and I just got the Bloodletter last night. I only have minimum STR

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>>168595923
The fact is Byrgenwerth hunted Great Ones. However you think about it they were already hunting trascendential beings accorss planes of existence, chasing one out in the ocean is not out of the question.

>And that note is in the Nightmare Study Hall is most likely to belong to people of the School of Mensis, just like the rest of the notes there.

Source: your headcannon

It has been confirmed Study Hall is Byrgenwerth's, and no where is it even implied Mensis wanted to hunt great ones, they seem to just want to communicate and commune with them. Yet Byrgenwerth has dozens of "Great One's tombstones" outside their college.

Is it possible to dodge through Watchdogs frontal attacks?
Every time i try i get hit at the last second by clipping his neck or some shit and its starting to frustrate me because i dont feel like farming for vials this early into the game

>>168603178
It's possible, but you should be using the nose bop strategy instead.

>>168603178
Yes, but it's better to space his attacks and dodge into the fire. Bait attacks, hit his face. When he goes to vomit, break legs.

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Is the bloodstarved beast in the hunter's nightmare same one we killed earlier in the real world?

>>168604038
No, there are many Bloodstarved Beasts

>>168603558
>>168603769
Thanks, i finally got him
And now to run the whole thing again for another gem

so I just helped Eileen kill Henryk

I think I love her. Also, I really want her garb desu

>>168606756
You'll get it if you keep going through with her quest. Or if you kill her

>>168607063
I don't want to kill her

>>168607180
Then meet her up near the Grand Cathedral after you see the Red Moon.

Okay does Queen Yharnam deal blood damage or arcane damage with her attacks? All this time I assumed blood damage because it's red and it comes from her wrists and shit, but she just one shotted me from 1269 health with the full cainhurst set on for maximum physical and blood DEF. It was a counter hit after a dodge backwards on that fucking retarded red explosion she does while she's still handcuffed. Literally the first 20 seconds of the fight, and it was the one move I was being so cautious to avoid, but I die like a retard in front of my beckoner and confederate

I wanna redo my game as the tentacle man from spess. I'm too hungover at the moment to figure out how to do it so maybe later.

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>>168606756
she tries to kill you if you ignore her fight with henryk

>>168608402
wtf that's not Henryk

Is it worth it going over 25 skil on a str build?

I noticed on the AR calculator that you end up with a higher one on some some skill weapons if you slap on a HA and have 34/35 skl.

>>168608223
99arc my man, everything else in vit, ignore all other stats

Graveguard, Choir. Yahar'gul and Madman's sets for fashion

Obtain Rosmarinus and Flamesprayer

You're set broccoli friend

>>168608648
If you have at most 50 Vit and 20 End already then why not. Might be better to put extra points into Arc though, 25 is good for HMS and Wheel on a 50/25 Str/Skl build.

any advice for beating Laurence aside from gitting gud? can'they seem to even get close to him with how he spams the grabbing and slam attacks.

>>168608741
Yahar'gul looks weird with Milkweed, try Student set

>>168600856
Lecture Building is entered by touching the mind of a School of Mensis scholar and leads directly to a place called "Nightmare of Mensis". Completely unrelated to them, sure. And Mensis people have been operating in a Nightmare for a while, as they had enough time to find and string up the brain, as evidenced by the Living String
>The immense brain that Mensis retrieved from the nightmare etc.

The original building was in Byrgenwerth but nothing connects it's Nightmare copy to it.

>no where is it even implied Mensis wanted to hunt great ones, they seem to just want to communicate and commune with them
The only parts of canon telling us anything about Mensis's intentions are: Micolash shouting "grant us eyes"; "rituals to summon the Moon". We still have no idea what they're summoning the Moon for.

And honestly, I don't know what to make of the Gravestones. There's no other canon mention of them apart from their name in the artbook. They can be left over by Pthumerians, the name could've been chosen just to be "cool" for all we know.

Nothing in canon suggests that Yharnamites met a lot of Great Ones Pthumerians could have, on the other hand, the Choir finding Ebrietas was their great revelation, and before that the Church was pursuing water-based research because of the whole Kos ordeal. Were all other Great Ones some shitty insignificant ones nobody remembers? No knowledge to be gained, no umbilical cords, no nothing? Hunted for fun and then buried with huge tombstones for some reason? It just doesn't fit anywhere.

>>168609289
when he sticks his fist into the ground then pulls it out for an aoe, dodge close and the first hit will miss you, get a hit in and then roll behind him to dodge the explosion, which then gives you another opening to do some damage. I personally like to play unlocked and just stick to his butt the entire time, but you need to be constantly vigilant and perfect with your dodges because he rotates like mad and hits behind him easily. a safer approach more suitable for later NG cycles is to play it a bit like watchdog of the old lords. instead of ever needing to dodge just stay the hell away from him, always sprinting. you never want to be mid distance from this boss. don't try to get in free hits in the middle of his combos, dodge in after his very last swing and play it safe. the grab attacks are the easiest attacks he has to punish and can easily set up viscerals since his arms stay still for a long time.

>>168609289
Dress for fire and nothing else. Charge attack him in the ass while he is busy doing the smash attack with his big arm. You can also charge attack him while he is preparing to grab / cooling down after his grab, or better yet hit him in his head and visceral him.

Keep an eye out for his big 3-hit sweeping arms combo, because that is the most dangerous move he's got IMO. You can dodge towards him if you are caught inside it and are too close to dodge away from the next hit. Delay your dodges to the latest possible moment on these sweep attacks.

If you just keep hitting him with heavy weapons R2s you can basically stun lock him for half the fight.

When he is in his second form he is an entirely different animal. Stick to his armpit of his small arm, and attack him while he is spewing lava. He can hit you from any angle with his big arm

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>>168609289
>>168610192
>If you just keep hitting him with heavy weapons R2s you can basically stun lock him for half the fight.
forgot webm

>>168610359
One of the bosses I always have a lot of trouble with for some reason ;-;

>>168610006
>>168610192
thanks. I'll try to keep this in mind because after all this, a cleric beast clone being in between me and my rune is just painful

>>168608097
The wiki says she deals damage with "blood magic" so I guess that means blood damage. I know the attack you are talking about and it does ridiculous damage out of nowhere at the start of the fight. Never tried fighting her with arcane armor like the choir garb on, though, so I could be wrong

>>168610689
Beckon me, I'll help you beat him

I love fighting Laurence

>>168611229
it'll be a second, since I'm out of insight. let me help someone beat Gascoigne. back in roughly a half hour

ayyyy anybody wanna go galavanting through the Hamlet? Wanna get to the elevator

pw: reyntime

>>168611414
still need help? let me turn on my ps4

alright I'm back. If you still want to help with Laurence the password is 61115

>>168612242
omw

>>168612009

yea lets do it. Id like to get the Beast garb too, if you know how to do that

where the fuck do I go after beating Vicar Amelia and doing the side Charnel Lane/Witch area

>>168612675
The paaassword...

>>168612453
If you killed brador you cant get it anymore, the armor drops from him when you kill him around the hamlet, ringing in the lighthouse hut.

>>168612453
Not him, but the Beast Hide Garb is gotten after an encounter with Brador, just after the bridge with the first encounter, before you enter the caves, there's a lightning shaman, kill him and drop down where he was standing, explore the whole zone down there. It's a bit tough if you're not careful, but around a large building's foundations I think he spawns again and you fight him down, you get the Beast garb automatically upon his death.

Of course, you could go back to the Underground cells, too, and kill Brador in his cell and only have to face one encounter in that hallway. After that, his drops are just on the ground around the Hamlet.

>>168612786
Nope, his drops are all in the places you'd fight him.

well fuck. Sorry about that, I kind of got backed into the wrong corner. if you still don't mind I can grab another insight

>>168613008

I killed him in the cell area so I could get the Bloodletter.

Also, ringing again Waifu. idk what the fuck happened there

>>168612242
>>168612397
try again?

watch out for that followup swipe during his second form. He does a big telegraphed swing then sometimes quickly follows it up with a second swipe from that same arm

>>168613340
yeah sure. just give me another hot second to farm an onsight

>>168613327
His drops will be on the ground around the second part of the hamlet, have a good search for them

Hey dude, let's just go straight for the elevator in the Hamlet, if you know where that is.

>>168613632
Allright ringing again

>>168604038
It's not, as you can encounter it before even going to Old Yharnam. It is possible, however, that it's the one you find already dead and hanging in the church.

Ringing again in the hut dude

Do you know where the Winter Lanterns are here? Would like to try and grind for some gems

>>168613435
you almost ready or should I go do something else?

>>168614625
host died. doesn't seem like any more will bite soon. thanks anyways though

>>168614430
If you want to fight the sharks again i can use the shaman bone on one of them.

>>168614827

I think Im good for now. Im just gonna grind some Twin Blood Shards in Hemwick. Appreciate the help though brah

>>168609289
Wait... Laurence has a grab attack? 8^)

>tfw too shitty at this game to not get grabbed by those christfucking Winter Lanterns

how do I kill these niggers?

>>168616626
You can interrupt the grab, or just dodge through it. Dodge to 10 or 2 o' clock, not 6 (backwards).

>>168616626
Parry, viscerals i-frame the frenzy proc

>>168616781
>>168616816

they are literally impossible. I parry one of them wearing high frenzy RES gear and I die in the middle of the fucking animation. These fuckers are so fucking stupid. Whoever decided to put them in this game with the frenzy mechanic should be fucking shot. I'm going to have summon just to kill these shitheads

>>168617163
kek

You'll get gud m8. One day.

>>168617163
>they are literally impossible
They aren't, either your Frenzy resist is too high or too low for Frenzy to proc during the visceral attack which will i-frame it. Insight affects Frenzy resist too, the higher Insight the lower resist. There's also runes that help. All they have is that grab attack and the frenzy itself to hurt you with. Pop a Sedative or 2 vials if it procs.

At mergo's loft middle, password is bbg

>>168617474

thanks for the advice

>finally kill both of them
>Quicksilver bullets

t-thanks

>Gatling Gun
>GUN
>requires 28 STR

god damn it

Vaati is a cuck and you're a cuck if you like him.

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>>168619020
>big gun about the size of a cannon
>requires investment into Str to hold
Gee I wonder why

>>168619521

will it fuck up my BLT build if I go 50-28 then? Will it fuck up my other weapons like my Chikage?

>>168619721
Not if you go above BL 98 or 120

>>168619721
How would adding Strength fuck up your Blt weapons? 28/50 Str/Blt is a common build, some put 2 more points in Str for normal cannon. Gatling doesn't really scale well with Blt, it's mostly reserved for Strength builds like the normal cannon since they have very few range options. If you've got the points to spare, go for it. Might as well pick up Church Cannon too.

>>168620050
>>168620101

well fuck, may try it. Though it will push me to 98 without even getting to End Game

On another note, just got to Cursed Gems from Lanterns. One is 22.3 PHYS UP, 10 KIN DOWN. The other is 22.3 PHYS UP, 10 BEAST DOWN. Should I use these?

>>168620492
Use the KIN DOWN one until you can farm for the 27.2% phys up KIN DOWN

>>168620492
Yes, rarely any Kin in the game. Ideally you'll want to put the Beast Down on a different weapon, maybe one reserved for Kin killing. Those curses really matter more for bosses, so if you know who you're gonna fight you can just switch to whichever won't gimp your damage. 22.3% is the highest Phys gems Winter Lanterns can drop, they're the best outside of CD's.

finally found a way to troll these stupid Lantern faggots... just spam my Bowblade at them. God bless the BLT build bubba

>>168622304
Cmon dude, its not hard to parry them.

>Invade and get cut to 1100HP with both boost runes
>Hit for 300 damage
> ~1/6-1/7 HP
>He heals
I don't want to bitch about pvp but some things should have been adjusted better. Like level scaling modifiers.

>>168623807
The health cut is pretty stupid but you can parry heals.

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>>168622304
Oh you got em, those virtual enemies who have little real life impact, bar your incompetence to parry them, oh you got em anon.

Did you also know there is a hidden path off many of the 'cliffs' in the game. Reddit doesn't actually know this anon, but us guys in /bbg/ are willing to help you out here
>Hemwich Charnel Bridge near the bossroom
>Cainhurst, behind where you drop in
>Fishing Hamlet, to the left of where you drop in from clocktower

Try going to one now, you get decent runes and/or insight from them if you are in NG+ and already have the rune.

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>>168623753
Delet this crap

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>>168624294
Make me

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>>168624294

Looking for help with Laurence
Password is wew

>>168624095

tldr

>>168624761
Where are you ringing?

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>>168624441
>Such a beastly cretin posting kosmemes with such little insight
I'll have you know I graduated at the top of my class in the navy seals, and used to 'cage' fighting fools like you
I am currently contacting my network of spies across the USA to track your IP address
Tl;Dr You're fucking dead kiddo

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>>168625105
i am calling the authorities sir

>Nightmare of Mensis

fuck this place

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>>168624798
Its about 110 words, its not like a 2000 word textwall dude. You don't get to use tldr without sounding lazy in this situation.
Anyway the reply isn't lying to you, those cliff secrets are great-its a wonder that Reddit hasn't figured them out yet.

>>168625491
wew

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>>168625292
I AM THE AUTHORITY
YOUR LACK OF INSIGHT IS ASTOUNDING, FAKE MENSIS SCHOLAR
Hoonta of Hoontas woz ere

>>168625540
lad

>these little retarded Teletubby things in Nightmare of Mensis

do I even want to know the lore behind these guys?

>>168625950
They're just creatures that exist in the nightmare, similar to the crawlers in Frontier and the winter lantern

Is the pistol or blunderbuss better, on the merit of being solely a parry tool.

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Bought the DaS3 Season Pass, farmed some gear, got dropped the new, cool, weapons on a new character, cleared the Cleansing Chapel's perimeter and really loved the map's design, and digging my character's set-up and looks with Follower Armor, Valorheart, Farron GS, and a quiver of arrows decorating her person.

All I want to do is go back to farming rpk for that perfect Arcane triangle. Something something Nightmare, something something unending.

>>168626613

pistol

>>168626613
Blunderbuss is better for damage, as parrying tools it's up to you

>>168626613
I find parrying with the Blunderbuss is easier.

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BLOODBORNE FIGMA TEASED
It's practically confirmed that they'll show it at WonFes now

>>168626613
Both are good, Pistol has better range so I'd choose that. If you suck at parrying Blunder has a better chance of staggering enemies if you miss.

>>168626613
I like Blinderbuss more because you can catch some people halfway dodging sideways.

BL4 run is easier than a SL1 run in both DaS2 and 3 but I never felt under powered. Really shows how much the game is about skill and situational advantage rather than stats and brute force. The Saw Cleaver is so good and shows that no matter the weapon you can use its diverse moveset.

DaS was trivial at SL1.

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>>168625950
They are gimps, masks welded on, the big one is the dom. Represents the deviance of Victorian times.

>>168626613
Pistols timing is easier to work with, but some use Blunder for the extra spread. If you like the pistol, repeating pistol is a good alternative (+Double the minimal damage, -Double the ammo usage), but Ludwig's Rifle is more its own thing to the Blunder
I personally parry with the cannon

>>168626980
What am I looking at here?
I actually dread a new release for this board, all newfags will ruin our chill environment for a month. I mean sure the game is great, but I need a place to chill out on this autistic hornet harvesting webiste

>>168628393
It's just an articulated action figure that will be announced this weekend. It's not going to bring a lot of people here but /bbg/ users and /toy/ users may be interested.

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If you could have any gun from bloodborne in real life which one would you choose?
I would go with either repeating pistol or gatling gun

>>168626980
Figma figures look like shit, where is the fucking GECCO DOLL?????

this Micolash fight is the gayest fucking thing I've ever had to fucking do.

He's literally behind some gate and I have no idea how to get where he is. This may be the first time I quit a boss fight due to sheer boredom.

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>>168629206
>statueshit

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>>168629268
>When autists play a Miyazaki vidja game

>>168629268
KOSM GRANT HIM EYES AND CLEANSE HIS BEASTLY IDIOCY

>>168629268
Listen to the audio cues dum dum

>>168629168
gatling gun

>>168630131
>implying you can lift it

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>>168629268
>This boss is shit because I lack even the most basic of problem solving skills

>>168629168
Hunter's Pistol. A plain and serviceable weapon.

>>168630220
Do you think i'd fucking use it?
It would be a display piece

Does anybody need help?

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Quick /bbg/, post:
>1 weapon you would add
>1 armour set you would add
>1 area you would change/expand on
>1 game mechanic you would add/change/remove
>1 something else you think would be awesome.

>>168631254
>Thinking the gatling would make a better centrepiece than a motherfucking hand cannon

>>168633881
>1 weapon you would add
Orphan's placenta
>1 armour set you would add
Not an armour set, but I want the biggest hat in the game. You know the one.
>1 area you would change/expand on
I don't know. Make Byrgenwerth bigger, please. That, or add more variety in the chalice dungeons, and more CD content in general.
>1 game mechanic you would add/change/remove
Fix SRRC.
>1 something else you think would be awesome.
Maingame bosses as chalice dungeon bosses, for the sake of fighting them again without having to co-op/NG+.

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>>168633881
>1 weapon you would add
GEHRMAN'S RIFLE
>1 armour set you would add
More civilian clothes in general, similar to the ones worn by AWAY AWAY huntsmen.
>1 area you would change/expand on
Isz, I want to visit the actual city.
>1 game mechanic you would add/change/remove
I would make it possible to modify your character's face in the Hunter's Dream.
>1 something else you think would be awesome
60fps

>>168633881
>>1 weapon you would add
Pic related

>>1 armour set you would add
Some kind of Yharnam military uniform

>>1 area you would change/expand on
Make Byrgenwerth much large, make it a full on university kinda like Duke's/Grand archives

>>1 game mechanic you would
add/change/remove
Make beast mode a state rather than a rune, say if you achieve 500 beasthood you temporarily turn into a playable abhorrent beast, but your beasthood in this state drops super fast and when you reach under 100 you turn back into a human

>>1 something else you think would be awesome
A massive patch that adds an entirely new chalice type complete with new bosses, maybe something based off the Fishing Hamlet.

>>168633881
Personally:
>A ceramonial dagger/shortsword that is buffed with poison when tricked, its moveset changing from quick slashes to brutal full forced stabs.
>An elite version of the cainhurst set. Something that the queens personal guards would wear. Much heavier and more decorative with an intimidating look.
>Cainhurst castle in general was very lackluster to me. Rather than the copypasted banshee girls, i would of loved to see undead executioners and cainhurst knights battling it out in full force. Just better enemy variety in general.
>I feel like the available hunter tools (spells) were severely lacking. Other enemies can control fire and fire a variety of kosmic missiles, why cant we?
>take the beast claws out of the fucking chalice dungeons.

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>>168634778
Forgot pic

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>>168634778
>>1

>>168633881
Brass knuckles. Tricked into heavier gauntlets for heavier attacks that could stagger opponents. B scaling for SKL and STR respective to its plain and tricked forms.

Researcher's Gear. A librarian-like outfit with a strange helmet (totally not a tin-foil hat) with high frenzy resistance. Meant for the wearer to resemble the "crazy guy that was right all along" that sometimes appears in Lovecraft stories.

Make the underground area of yharnam more mazelike. The area filled with people in butchers clothes.

I'd add a slide so that you can avoid things while running without having to do the jump and roll.

More covenant-specific clothing sets and armor and what >>168634813 said. Why the fuck do I need to grind all the way down to ailing loran, then beat laurance in the DLC to get the proper beast claws?

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>>168634778
>Some kind of Yharnam military uniform

>>168634963
I just highlighted everything and hit reply, forgot that the number in front of two arrows would make it a link.

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>>168609801
Both the trophy description and the lecture theatre key confirm the Lecture Hall is part of Byrgenwerth, and not a copy mind you. The place was literally sucked into the nightmare and is now "adrift" in it.

Notice how the Old workshop is described as the source of the hunter's dream but the lecture hall is said to be the real thing now in the nightmare.

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>>168635204
I was thinking something more along these lines

>>168625950
>these little retarded Teletubby things
That's only the finest designed FromSoft enemy ever. Hater.

>>168633881
>1 weapon you would add
OG full-Arc Moonlight
>1 armour set you would add
Something slutty
>1 area you would change/expand on
Open-air chalice dungeon. "Woods surrounding Yharnam" or something. Forbidden Woods tileset chalice dungeons, basically.
>1 game mechanic you would add/change/remove
Nothin comes to mind.
>1 something else you think would be awesome.
SHRUG
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GESTURE

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Literally all I did was point out some of the more interesting weapons you could pick for successive playthroughs.
I don't get some people.

>>168629370
>>168629206
Geccos are cool and so are figmas. I will probably buy the figma and I'd buy a Gecco Doll in an INSTANT.
God damn we need a statue of an actual character instead of the boring menu Hunter.

Some of those CFR Pthumeru dungeons are so fucking huge. Kind of fun trying to make it through them in one go.

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>>168636620
>tfw no Orphan of Kos figma
It would look so good next to Kyoshinhei

While on the subject of new weapons ive had a few ideas. And while most of them are probably shit and uninspired, ill post them anyway.

>previously mentioned ceramonial poison buffed dagger. Skl/Arc scaling.

>executioner themed flanged mace that tricks into a two handed flail, with the head being surrounded in the same red skulls as the wheel. Moveset switches from frenzied bashing to spin-to-win big smashes. Str/Arc scaling.

>Cainhurst lance. The rifle spears description states it was based off of something so this is it. Untricked is a halfspear with a broad-head for pokes AND slashes, and incorporates a heavy single shot firearm like the Piercing Rifle. Tricked extends outwards, into a heavy two handed lance.

>A bastard sword with a simple but effective moveset (like untricked HMLS) that when tricked combines with a heavy two handed rifle stored on the back.

Ill post more soon.

>>168637076
>executioner themed flanged mace that tricks into a flail
Great!
>two handed
Shit.

>>168637076
Cainhurst Lance is Skl/Bld and Rifle sword would be quality/Bld.

>>168636471
He's got some pretty good points in there, though. The Reiter having a gunshot on the R2 doesn't work as well as the rifle spear's l2 configuration because it denies the player attacks in its tricked state. Makes your offhand redudnant.
The chalice dungeons are pretty tedious, especially grinding for materials
Also while exploration is encouraged, the whirligig saw in particular is hidden and you wouldn't even know it existed unless you see valtur using it.

I can't say whether you were right or wrong because you only capped the response and not the entire conversation for the sake of contnext, but that post has some valid points and complaints in it.

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>>168633881
>Weapon=Skill weapon, starts as short range, high RoF high damage nunchucks, tricks into a pure Arcane scaling whip, where all attacks cause a minor stumble towards the user, like when a Dirty Santa pulls you in for a hug (Scales like Chikago does with BLT, but the tricked form drains Quicksilver bullets)
>Armour=A shitty knight armour set, with a very niche use, alike the shields, perhaps a high resist to everything, at the cost of muuuch slower rolls (Near suicide). Perhaps the same armour sets as in the chalices
>Area=Alter of Despair, they could have made it a huge underground dungeon tunnel area, a medley between the surface and the Pthumerian chalices, maybe the way the hunters got into there in the first place. Also open the door from Great Bridge/Cathedral Ward, but only accessible via CW, allowing for a sneak attack on a slightly harder Cleric Beast
>Mechanic=Better chance for better gems than the ones used, if using good gems already (Easier farming gems)
>New things
-A boss rush mode. All items from your current playthrough can be used and won't be permanently used in standard PT, only Boss rush. Yes that means 20 vials to work with for all bosses (inc DLC)
-A rune which means that you don't get the 30% health loss when invading, in return for a 30%-40% stamina loss
-More covenants which have banter/hate each other, with all covenants having a greater effect on minor stats (Mensis/Choir hate, Prospector/Powder banter)

>>168637281
Actually, scratch the two handed bit then, ive changed my mind. You already have your wheel which does the same. Thanks anon.

>>168629424
>>168629487
>>168629516
>>168631058

>Ahh, Memes, or some say Memesm…
>GRANT US MEMES!
>AMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMES!

Fuck off. This fight was shit and your mascot is shit.

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>>168637359
His point was that Bloodborne is pretty bland and same-y, with only one playstyle encouraged. I pointed out some weapons that someone could use to make it less bland, and that's when he got mad.
This is my post that he responded to.

Why was Amelia so different looking than Lawrence? I always assumed vicars turned into the same type of beast.

>>168633881
>1 weapon you would add
Morningstar
>1 armour set you would add
complete enlarged head straitjacket
>1 area you would change/expand on
Bergenwert cellar with all the experiments, tubes, bodyparts, eyes and shit. Several layers
>1 game mechanic you would add/change/remove
Better pvp level balance,
>1 something else you think would be awesome.
Numbing mist as weapon buff or spread on throwing dagger. Flasks are shit to aim.

>>168637886
>I always assumed vicars turned into the same type of beast
Not true

>>168637659
Anon, I think you've gone dangerously past your recommended daily sodium intake.

>>168637886
Amelia was a man, Laurence was a woman

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>>168633881
Piss off with your questionnaire, just give me back my Win Blade, and all will be well. They would be even more godlike in a tricked variant.

>>168637076
Reposting something I had earlier:
>Gage's Hammer: A peculiar trick weapon used by Gage, the Beast Tamer. In one hand, it bludgeons the beasts with a heavy club, but turns into a sword and shield when the head is separated. Gage preferred to tame the beasts and study them, rather than kill. This method, deemed foolish by most hunters, was proven through his taming of a Scourge Beast, who he named "Scruffy."
>Three-Pounder: A three-barreled revolver wielded by the Powder Kegs. Fires shots in rapid succession, or three in one blast. A highly impractical weapon, possibly in imitation of a Church firearm, but when has impracticality ever stopped a Keg?
>Hunter's Shotel: A curved blade used by hunters with an emphasis on Bloodtinge. The blade begins as a short-range curved sword but transforms into a blade not unlike a falchion when dressed with the wielder's blood. This weapon was made in imitation of the signature blade of Cainhurst, and was popular among outcast knights, notably the twin hunters Nicodemus and Cecelia.
>Talbot's Crossbow: A crossbow used by the reclusive hunter Talbot, ranger of the Forbidden Woods. Fires arrows at a target without the noise of a firearm. Talbot preferred to kill without making a sound, which is clearly shown in his usage of this weapon, along with his admiration of the old Church Hunter Simon.

>>168637770
Eh it's a little samey. The rally system, lack of shields and poise makes the game play more aggressively regardless. There's different builds, sure, but they're all very attack-oriented. Can't really play defense and even magic is severely reduced.

>>168633881
>1 weapon you would add
Some kind of thrust-based lightning weapon, tonitrus is blunt, this should be thrust

>1 armour set you would add
Shadow of Yharnam set

>1 area you would change/expand on
More Byrgenwerth would be nice

>1 game mechanic you would add/change/remove
Dunno really

>1 something else you think would be awesome
REMOVE CHALICE MATERIALS, JUST ECHOES

>>168638280
>Dragon mode will never be as cool as beast mode
Damn shame

>>168638308
These are cool and very well thought out. Although i cant wrap my head around what the club/sword+sheild would look like or even work. Could you eleborate on that one?

>>168638659
It would work on the same principle as Kirk and LHB, where the sword unites with the other half. The one-handed form would rest against the shoulder, and move at a similar speed to HMS. The grip on the back of the shield would hold the sword, which is a little longer than the sword form of Kirk and LHB again. The edges of the shield are thick enough to properly bludgeon victims as a club head, and as a shield (not used as much for blocking as striking), and attacks with the sword and shield together are usable

>>168637770
Eh, you both sound like fags to me.

>>168637886
This makes me think. Miyazaki said that the longer one resist their own beasthood, the bigger and more deformed a beast they become. With this being the only known factor in determining how a person's beast form looks, it seems kind of odd that most beasts fall into neat categories like darkbeasts, cleric beasts, blood-starved beasts, etc. You would think they'd be more individualized like Amelia and Ludwig.

>>168638350
...Everything is attack oriented in every Souls game. The whole point is to cause damage. Playing defensive is literally just making it easier to get a hit in. It ultimately all comes down to being offensive. That's not really an argument. Rally is there to replace shields as a health-keeping function anyway. Guidance Runes and a Hunter Axe can get much more health than you'd think.

The difference is in the weapon variety. Some are fast, some are ranged, some are slow. You can't mash R1 like a newfag with the wheel. The game revolves around speeds, and how to deal with them, fast or slow.

As for Hunter Tools, they have wonderful variety, I think. By default Dark Souls has quantity, but not necessarily quality. It's more or less the same spells with different attack value. One is lightning, one of magic, one is dark, etc. It comes down to be coats of paint at a point.

>>168638350
But there are definitely things you can do to switch it up.
I agree that variety is cut from the Souls games (but I don't think that detracts from the quality at all)

>>168638976
This is true.

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>>168639574
Right? I mean I can easily beat any Souls game with a straight sword and spamming r1, but you know shitters gonna shit.

>>168639506
I assume that Cleric Beasts, at least, are special because the higher echelons of the Chuch use different kind of blood than the common folk.

Darkbeasts are very mysterious in general. They all seem to be undead, and electricity is a pretty unique trait, only found in them and in Loran. I feel like you can't just turn into a Darkbeast and there's a specific process or perhaps a lot of time involved.

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>>168637659
>Gee wizz, this boss requires an IQ over 41.2
>How on earth does he work??????
>Man, this boss is harder than the Witches of Hemwick, I seem to do better when the boss comes to me-not the other way around....
>Why can't I get in his room??? I have been whacking the door for the last hour and a half, but all these anons are saying I am stupid or something.....
>Can't be my fault
>Bad boss

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>>168640113
Not that guy, but would you be so kind as to elucidate, as succinctly and unequivocally as humanly possible, why Micolash is a good boss fight?

>>168626613
parrying with the blunderbuss is much harder at medium-long range vs the pistol. At close-medium range they are about the same. Ludwig's rifle is a decent compromise in that it's pellets move faster than those of the blunderbuss but it has less spread and less damage while getting longer range

>>168640707
Unique, charismatic, atmospheric, no room for mistakes in NG+ and forward, good bossroom design.

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>>168637659
I hope you're just meming anon, otherwise you really should get yourself checked out.

>>168641797
Good boss fights: Kos, Ludwig, Gehrman
Bad boss fights: Micolash, Micolash, Micolash

Maybe some people have higher standards than you?

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>>168642048
>Good boss fights: Kos

Yeah, definitely get yourself checked.

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>>168642048
>Hates Micolash this much because he couldn't figure out how to walk up some stairs
You're the same guy who made the video talking about how shit DaS1 was because he couldn't figure out how to equip a weapon, aren't you?

Anyone needs help? Im up for some coop.

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>charged up tricked R2 with Chikage does 1119 damage now

holy fuck, is this what power feels like?

>>168642048
the only bad boss in the game is Laurence

>>168642309
Micolash, One Reborn, and Witches of Hemwick are all terrible bosses that take no skill to beat and if you have ever died to any one of them then you should be ashamed of yourself.

>>168643758
If you get stuck because you don't know where to go during the Micolash fight you should be ashamed of yourself and give up on video games.

>>168643915
If you are stupid enough to think anyone could get stuck in an area as small as Micolash's boss room then you are so delusional that you could look into a river and see a woman staring back at you. Outside of A Call Beyond, Micolash cannot kill you. End of story.

What stats should I be doing for a beast claw run?

50/25?

50/50?

>>168644116
See >>168629268 and >>168637659

>>168640845

>unique

he's just a really shitty hunter boss

>charismatic

OR AS SOME SAY, KOSMATIC

>atmospheric/good bossroom design

these are basically the same point, but i don't see what's so interesting about a bunch of hallways with a couple square rooms.

not the 40IQ anon who can't beat him, but micolash is a meme boss.

>>168644116
You've never received an Augur parry from him, have you? It's rare, but it's possible

>>168644240
>he's just a really shitty hunter boss
That works differently from any other hunter boss.
>OR AS SOME SAY, KOSMATIC
/
>these are basically the same point
Atmosphere is the sensation the boss battle gives, bossroom design is the way the map was drawn.
> but i don't see what's so interesting about a bunch of hallways with a couple square rooms
That together they form a labyrinth where you chase the boss.

>>168644237
>responding to falseflaggers
I guess it gives you something to discuss but you're worse than people who respond to tripfags.
>>168644327
No, he has no super armor on anything, so you can stunlock him and then walk to the right when he does augur or take a hit from his puny fists and then continue to bully him. Or just use beast roar when you're out of stamina to knock him down. The only time I came close to dying was when he used A Call Beyond and I nearly didn't dodge it.

>>168644502
>he's a falseflagger because he proves me wrong!
Stop being a crybaby and stop posting.

>>168644129
50/25 if you want to stay around 98 meta with more than 40 Vit and base End, maybe some Arc for Beast Roar and stuff. 50/50 if you don't mind that stuff, you can still get 44 Vit but everything else will be at base if you stop at 117 to invade 98s.

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>>168644502
A boss fight doesn't necessarily need to be difficult to be fun. Sometimes it's just the spectacle of it. Then again, it seems that the concept of "fun" is beyond your range of understanding

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>>168644689
>spectacle over substance
you shouldn't be playing souls games
>>168644465
>That together they form a labyrinth where you chase the boss.
how could anyone ever figure out how to navigate this dastardly labyrinthine horror????

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>main conflict of the game is made out to be people turning into beasts
>turns out that was just a side effect of the human body ingesting the blood of Lovecraftian Eldritch Transendental abominations


What othe games do this? Where one of the game's biggest plot points turns out to be insignificant compared to the grand scheme of things? Reminds me of Lavos from Chrono Trigger turning out to be just a space bug of which there are probably millions propagating through space, and the fact that such a creature could cause so much destruction and terror was just common little bug in the bigger picture of the universe made him even scarrier.

>>168644894
Souls games are 100% spectacle over substance.

>>168644957
>Ingesting the blood of Lovecraftian Eldritch Transendental abominations
Injecting the blood of an old ghost queen*

>>168644240
Everyone I know hates Micolash as well. Why? Because it's not a fucking boss fight, he doesn't do anything, you literally can not die in that fight. He takes zero skill and IQ to beat. Oh, the running around and endless yapping is a tad bit annoying, too.

I remember watching some streamer get to Micolash: "wait, is this a boss", "stop running please", "where the fuck is he", "well, that was free as fuck." My sides.

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>>168645000

>forgot to put deodorant on before fighting defiled watchdog

what an awful mistake

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>>168644894
Sometimes, not all the time. Just because you have no sense of direction in the fight and figured out one of the many ways of beating him doesn't make it a terrible fight. It's enjoyable because it came out of left field, to have this gibbering madman with an oversized bird cage on his head sprinting merrily away while chanting.
More than anything, we like him as an endless source of memes.

>>168645142
>Everyone I know hates Micolash as well
You and the other guy are the only ones here who hate him. Besides, only three characters in the game have more fanart than Micolash.

>>168645141
???

>>168645347

Micolash is fucking shit. I'm the dude who originally bitched about him. The Ludwig, Maria and Amelia fights are lightyears better. In music, atmosphere, difficulty and fight itself.

>>168645374
>old blood comes from the Pthumerian dungeons
>blood minister calls it "Yharnam Blood"
>queen Yharnam is called "blood queen"
>she produces infinite amounts of magic blood
>when you find her in the dungeons her wrists are cut and bound by handcuffs
duh its ebretas though because vaati said it

>>168644689
I play FromSoft games for the godlike game play. I don't give a shit about the lore and "spectacle."

>inb4 HOLY SHIT HE DOESNT CARE ABOUT LORE, YOU NOOB CASUL CASUL REDDIT CASUL REDDIT GAMEFAQS CASUL NOOB

How about you read a fucking book, idiot. Video game plots are not interesting to me whatsoever.

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https://youtu.be/dU8nl0fjOyI

How did I do /bbg/?

>>168645534
Maria and Amelia are even easier than Micolash. At least Micolash can oneshot you if you don't dodge ACB properly, dying to Amelia is literally impossible.

>gascoigne pistol shoots fucking blunderbuss bullets
for what pvrpose

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>>168645534
>Amelia
>better in music, atmosphere, difficulty, and fight itself
Keep telling yourself that.
>>168645605
>I don't give a shit about the lore and "spectacle."
It's half the fun. Micolash wasn't designed to be a boss of a difficult nature. The sooner you understand that, the sooner we can get back to normal

>>168645545
>old blood comes from the Pthumerian dungeons

Where you find the bloodletting beast and a million other possible sources of old blood

>blood minister calls it "Yharnam Blood"
Because the city is called Yharnam?

>queen Yharnam is called "blood queen"
>she produces infinite amounts of magic blood

I guess this is the only good point you raised

>when you find her in the dungeons her wrists are cut and bound by habdcuffs

That is more likely something to do with Mergo, since her stomach is open.

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>>168645294
>just because you pressed r1 20 times and didn't press circle once doesn't make it a terrible fight
>it's enjoyable because memes
no, shithead. the MEMES are enjoyable. the fight is hot trash. you are delusional
>>168645693
>dying to something with zero super armor and a slow as fuck aoe you can dodge by running to the side instead of fire waves and delayed super armor
(You)

>>168645878
>Where you find the bloodletting beast and a million other possible sources of old blood
The bloodletting beast can only produce so much blood. What are the other possible sources?
>Because the city is called Yharnam?
Because the queen is called Yharnam.
>That is more likely something to do with Mergo, since her stomach is open
How is Mergo related to the fact that she's wearing handcuffs and cuts on her wrists?

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>>168645981
>>just because you pressed r1 20 times and didn't press circle once doesn't make it a terrible fight
And how is this different from most other bosses? Even if it isn't this exact formula, a good amount take very little effort. Look at the Cleric Beast, it can be instantly staggered by a Throwing Knife to the head. BSB follows this same principle with the right weapons. Maria is sheer parry bait, Rom and Reborn only involve avoiding the occasional attack, the Wet Nurse's attacks go just about in one direction, you get the idea.
After an amount of time, you realize that difficult bosses are more seldom than you previously thought.
The memes are enjoyable, and allow us to see the fight in a different light.

Hey bbg, you guys don't play an awfully lot together, do you? Or am I mistaken?

>>168645981
>dying to something with zero super armor and a slow as fuck aoe you can dodge by running to the side instead of fire waves and delayed super armor
The difference is that unlike Amelia when you stagger him he doesn't rest on the floor for two minutes, you can't break his limbs and dodging towards him doesn't guarantee that you will avoid his attack.

>>168646247
I agree that the it could be called Yharnam Blood because of her name, but I doubt that the average person knows about all the stuff with queen Yharnam and the Old Blood. They just call it Yharnam Blood because that is what the city is known for, and why people come to it.

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>>168645347

he has fanart because his head cage is really silly

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Nice thread you guys. Keep it up.

>>168646247
>The bloodletting beast can only produce so much blood.

And Yharnam can only produce so much blood. Actually, bloodletting beast should be able to produce more than Yharnan due to it's size, but none of that matters since the church learned how to reproduce blood, so they could have gotten it from either since they just need eniugh to harves more through their nuns.

>Because the queen is called Yharnan. That's not the point, the minister is obviously referring to the city:
>Yharnam (the city) is home of blood ministration...easy, with a little bit if Yharnam blood...

He is obviously still talking about the city.

>How is mergi related to the fact...

That was most likely mensis, her bleeding chest is due to Mergo being born, she evens shows up in nightmare of mensis outside mergo's loft crying.

>>168646837
If we really wanted to set this dumpster on fire, we'd get Lucy here, and maybe Meme Machine. Or we could have another Confederate/Cainhurst roleplay.
One day, all the elements that make us shitty will unite together, and all I can hope for is a good view of the blast

>>168646764
>I doubt that the average person knows about all the stuff with queen Yharnam and the Old Blood
The average person doesn't know about it, but the blood minister does.

>And Yharnam can only produce so much blood
No, she obviously shoots more blood than her body is supposed to contain, she can even make it rain from the ceiling. While BLB is just a very large beast, it's clear that Queen Yharnam has special blood-related powers.
>the church learned how to reproduce blood
[citation needed]
>He is obviously still talking about the city
He's talking about the queen, but you're not supposed to know until you visit the final dungeon, just like you're not supposed to know that Maria's dialogue has a double meaning.
>her bleeding chest is due to Mergo being born
I'm talking about WRISTS and HANDCUFFS.

>>168645545
>yharnam (the city) produces more blood than alcohol
>people using blood vials left and right
>dropping blood vials
>blood vials up the ass
>ebrietas is in the altar of despair in upper cathedral ward and can be milked infinitely (especially since she appears docile until you provoke her with attacks) and the blood distributed easily through the city by the choir
>yharnam is locked in great pthumeru ihyll
>the only way to access it is with the chalice
>the chalice is dropped by another chalice boss who is locked behind another chalice boss who is locked behind another chalice boss who is locked behind a story boss
>you also have to go through every other pthumeru chalice to get to her
unless you're suggesting they got literally all the blood they would ever need to make millions of blood vials and treat thousands of diseased patients in one giant tank of blood when they first discovered the queen, ebrietas sounds more likely to me mate
also, bloodletting beast's literal translated name is "host of the beast blood", so even that's more likely

>>168646545
If you want help you can always ask the thread, most times someone will help. Every Staurday there's Fight Clubs, but I think last time was a dud.

>>168647217
>He's talking about the queen
[citation needed]
[you will never get the citation because miyazaki is a hack]

>>168647346
>yharnam (the city) produces more blood than alcohol
>people using blood vials left and right
>dropping blood vials
>blood vials up the ass
The source is queen Yharnam.
>ebrietas is in the altar of despair in upper cathedral ward and can be milked infinitely
You're delusional if you think that Ebrietas' blood is enough to satisfy an entire city for generations.
>yharnam is locked in great pthumeru ihyll
Laurence and Willem discovered the dungeons and brought blood from it.
>the only way to access it is with the chalice
Byrgenwerth and later the church had the Pthumeru and Isz chalices.
>you also have to go through every other pthumeru chalice to get to her
Once.
>also, bloodletting beast's literal translated name is "host of the beast blood", so even that's more likely
You mean, less likely. "Host of the beast blood" only means that it contains beast blood and nothing else.

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In what will likely be a fruitless attempt to move away from the bickering over Queen Yharnam and the rather outspoken hatred for Micolash, post your best BB comics

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>>168647896

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>>168647217
>[citation needed]

Pic related. C'mon dude. I'm starting to think I'm arguing with someone that has a below average understanding if the game's lore.

>The average person doesn't know about it, but the blood minister does
>He's talking about the queen, but you're not supposed to know until you visit the final dungeon
>[citation needed]

If I equip the Eye Rune, does it just mean there is a more there is a more likely chance that an enemy will drop blood vials, or does it mean that enemies may drop more vials?
I'm trying to farm them from the executioners in Hemwick, but they seem to always drop vials, so will the Eye Rune give me more? Or am i better off just using the Moon Rune so i can just buy more vials?

>>168647346
>ebrietas is in the altar of despair in upper cathedral ward and can be milked infinitely (especially since she appears docile until you provoke her with attacks) and the blood distributed easily through the city by the choir
The choir studied ascension and insight, they weren't involved with the distribution of blood
The description of their set says that they were following Willem's teachings

>>168647980
No, higher chance alone.
Also, yes. It's easier to just buy them.

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>>168647896
I don't have any comics so here's this shitty thing I made.

Micolash a shit but as a boss fight it works fine. The anon shitting up the thread over it is just a retard.

>>168647217
>>168647346
>>168647717
>>168647798
All of you beastly idiots need to look at this post: >>168647957
It doesn't matter where they got it from, the church used nuns to create more blood to satiate the city's needs. Stop basing the argument on who can produce more blood.

>>168647957
>one of the few cases that turned out favorably
Surely Adeline and Adella are enough to give daily injections to the entirety of Yharnam.
>[citation needed]
Context.

>>168647980
They increase chance, not amount. Buying is usually better.

>>168647798
>The source is queen Yharnam.
stop talking in literal terms, we will never know for certain so just say you think it's more likely that it's yharnam
>You're delusional if you think that Ebrietas' blood is enough to satisfy an entire city for generations.
ebrietas is a great one, and yharnam is only a pthumerian. I would wager there's probably some magic bullshit going on making ebreitas produce significant amounts of blood just like yharnam
>Laurence and Willem discovered the dungeons and brought blood from it.
and the slugs are the signs of the left behind great ones, which were clearly in the dungeons at some point. it could have been another great one's blood, or it could have been ebrietas' blood before she moved/was moved to the altar. we simply don't know

>>168648305
>ebrietas is a great one, and yharnam is only a pthumerian
Ebrietas produces limited amounts of blood, queen Yharnam produced more blood than her body can contain and is called Blood Queen.

>>168648249
>Surely Adeline and Adella are enough to give daily injections to the entirety of Yharnam.

Oh gee, it's like you're implying a church organization only has a nun ever at a time in the whole city. All their nuns were able to produce blood and they likely had hundreds of them and have a big storage somewhere from all the blood their getting. Why am I even arguing this, it's in the description of the item.

>context

You mean your lack of reading comprehension or your headcannon?

>>168648413
>Ebrietas produces limited amounts of blood
[citation needed]
the only time we see ebrietas producing blood is when we attack her and when she spits blood at you (which she can do infinitely so). there's no telling what happens in the altar before the player gets there.
that's my fucking point man, we will NEVER know because of how miyazaki's brain works.

>>168648413
How do you even come to the conclusion that Eb has limited amounts of blood? One of her attacks is literally spitting blood at you.

>>168648572
>All their nuns were able to produce blood
>one of the few cases that turned out favorably
You're the one who is unable to read, anon.

>>168648606
>[citation needed]
The burden of proof is on you. Nothing in the game implies that Ebrietas has infinite blood.
>the only time we see ebrietas producing blood is when we attack her and when she spits blood at you (which she can do infinitely so)
Only after you damage her.

>>168647957
This doesn't explain where the original blood comes from, and just sheds light on the church's activities after the initial discovery.
>worthy blood
This seems to me something like "blood worthy of a great one".

>>168648413
>Ebrietas produces limited amounts of blood, queen Yharnam produced more blood than her body can contain and is called Blood Queen.

Bloodleating beast can infinetely throw blood at you (the attack that gives you rapid poison) and it's called host of the beast blood in the original text. By your logic Headless BB is as likely a candidate.

>>168648697
>>168648817
Spitting blood =/= having enormous amounts of blood
shooting more blood than your body can contain = having enormous amounts of blood

>>168648776
>The burden of proof is on you. Nothing in the game implies that Ebrietas has infinite blood.
are you for fucking real mate? I literally just described in that very post. it's the same shit as yharnam, she can spit blood just like yharnam shoots blood. goddamn.
>Only after you damage her.
and? it could have been risky business getting the blood, that might be why it's called the altar of despair, or it might be possible to harvest it without harming her. we. will. never. know.

>>168648776
>>All their nuns were able to produce blood
>one of the few cases that turned out favorably
>You're the one who is unable to read, anon.

The one that says that few cases turned out favorably is the blood of Adeline, which you find in the research hall which is a representation of the church's past where they were still refining their methods. On modern day the church is able to reproduce blood through their nuns, as proved by Adela's blood.

Is english not your native language?

>>168648776
>Only after you damage her.
Have you ever fought Ebrietas? She keels over and propels it towards you, building frenzy.
>>168648919
That logic doesn't work, considering that you can potentially get Ebrietas to do the attack over and over again.

>>168648919
>stay in yharnam fight forever
>she shoots blood infinitely
>stay in ebrietas fight forever
>she spits blood infinitely
wow it's almost like it's ambiguous on purpose and there's no real answer

>>168649191
>stay in Gascoigne's fight forever
>he shoots bullets infinitely
Holy shit, is Gascoigne the source of these magical bullets for the entire city???

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Anyone doing any Abyssal farming?

>>168648919
Spitting blood indefinitely, therefore shooting more blood than your body can contain = having enormous amounts of blood

Stop pulling at strings to fit your headcannon. Like the other anon said, miyazaki made the story so that multiple different interpretations where valid. Basing your whole argument on gameplay mechanics and "context" when convenient and assuimng your interpretation is right makes you look like an ass.

>>168649407
I don't know, is he? this is your logic my friend. yharnam is the source because she shoots a lot of blood. well ebrietas also shoots a lot of blood.

Anyone wanna help with defiled hotdog? He keeps one hitting me.

Pass is 420bbg69

>>168649537
Sure

>>168649025
>she can spit blood just like yharnam shoots blood. goddamn
She can't. Ebrietas only shoots small amounts of blood, Yharnam shoots more blood than she can contain.

>and? it could have been risky business getting the blood
So why is she inoffensive before you attack her? And why does the description of all the Ebrietas and Choir related items claim that she was helping them in their cosmic studies and say nothing about her blood?

>>168649035
Firing Hammer badge:
>The Powder Kegs were driven by singular ideas, and crafted strange weapons of great intricancy. It is clear that the philosophy of the Powder Kegs was already established at this time
As you can see, events of the past aren't described as if they're happening in the present, unlike Adeline's blood's description.

>>168649048
>>168649437
How many times the boss can use the attack is irrelevant, it's a gameplay mechanic. How the attack itself looks is relevant.

>>168649528
This. You're basing your whole argument on a gameplay mechanic that applies to several bosses and saying it only counts for the one that supports your theory.

>>168649537
I'll help

>>168649537
On my way anon wait for me

where tf do I go in the Forbidden Forest? I've looped around like 2 times now and killed pretty much every snek and blue aliens

also this game is getting weird
>cthulu like statues
>invisible creature that randomly picks me up and kills me
>blue aliens

uh

>>168649720
How exactly are you determining what a reasonable amount of blood is for a being to carry? What is your criteria?

>>168649720
The living failures are the church's past failed attenpts at making a celestial emmisary, which they eventually do, just like the blood harvesting. Beasides we don't even know how far back the game's several irganizations date to.

>>168649870
Have you fought one of the pigs yet?

>>168649720
>Your argument is irrelevant because it disproves my theory

wew

>>168649892
Queen Yharnam is human sized. The blood she sprays from her wrists in the first phase of her fight is enough to dry up a normal person.

>>168650119
It's irrelevant because it's solely related to gameplay mechanics.

>>168649870
Go to where the aliens are, leave the dead-end, go straight ahead to the top of the hill and activate the elevator. It's a shortcut.
Then, go back down, down the hill, and in to the pit of mud with the pig and follow that path.

Don't worry about that alien stuff either, just hunt.

>>168650285
>It's irrelevant because it's solely related to gameplay mechanics.

Just like your argument

>>168649537
Still ringing?

>>168650078
yeah I killed them both

>>168650567
Yeah I'm still here

>>168650540
The way Yharnam's attacks look is very deliberate, a design choice.

>>168650598
Did you share the dungeon? I have been ringing for atleast 10 minutes but nothing happens.

>>168650285
Queen Yharnam is actually far taller than the average human (the hunter, NPC hunters, etc.). She outdoes the hunter in height the same way Gascoigne, Gehrman, and even Lady Maria do.

>>168650707
nvm i got him

>>168650725
A single attack of hers would still dry her up, especially the blood rain.

>>168650831
Need help with anything else?

>>168650653
Lady Maria sprays way more blood than Yharnam, and it's implied this is a cainhurst art, so any pthunerian/human can use this blood magic, and it seems to not be representative of the user's amount of blood in their bodies.

>>168650940
>Lady Maria sprays way more blood than Yharnam
Technically her sword does.
Besides, Cainhurst = Pthumerian descendants.