/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

When will this game get cute girls?

First for Blizzard rightfully rewarding old players/paying customers with free dust.
Freeloaders fuck off.

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My sweet beautiful angel that did nothing wrong, my first legendary and first golden legendary no less, the card that I tried putting in every single deck, that has carried me through so many games and turned around so many unwinnable situations.

Rest in peace sweet angel. You were too good for this game. Your eternal brother Ragnaros will be missed as well.

>BY WILD BE PURGED

>rotating ice lance instead of iceblock

W
H
Y

>>168520419
fuck off nonce

/hsg/ "math is not that hard people" edition

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>Gadgetzan Auctioneer was allowed to live.

So can someone fill me in on what's going on now? Are they cycling out Ragnaros and Sylvanas? I just recently crafted them since I was under the impression that Evergreen cards would permanently be in Standard...

>>168520465
cringe

>>168520510
you're getting full dust and you get to keep the card.

>>168520307
>expansion III
>a literal mound of money

really sets the walnut tumbling

I like how people are forgetting no more adventures which means no more guaranteed legendaries just because blizz is giving us a bunch of dust

Somehow Blizzard managed to outjew themselves each day

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disenchant your rafaams, djinns and shit

craft golden sylvanas/rag for 3200 dust

get 3200 dust for free

sell the golden legend

brofit 1600 dust

>>168520510
they've being cycled into a "hall of fame" group that means they can only be played in wild (but might be cycled out in the future)

also >>168520554

>>168520510
>Assuming anything in BrodeStone
The sylv and rag rotation was seen by a mile by most people anon
Since that Brode forum post at least tjat pretty much confirmed at least rag

So we went from 50% adventures to 33% adventures to 0% adventures.

I'm pretty sure I'm not buying anything from blizzard anymore.

>>168520510
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20475356

You keep the cards and get the full dust refund on top of that.

>>168520591

>disenchant Rafaam

Shut your filthy mouth

>>168520591
You didn't profit anything you retard. By dusting cards unobtainable besides crafting you are at a loss.

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>tfw golden sylvanas and golden rag from packs

>>168520625
You can alwaus play weebstone, witcherstone, TESstone, whatever you want.

>>168520465
I'm so sorry that your life is so unfulfilling that you keep posting your shiny digital card in /hsg/ for validation. Here is the (you) you so desperately crave.

>>168520591
Cant disenchant hall of fame after they rotate out anon
Sorry to break it to you
Read the damn post

>>168520579
>no adventures
>I missed that the first time

Oh goddamnit why. I know having more cards is good and all but goddamnit they were legitimately my favourite part of the game and I was really just hoping they'd fix the issue by doing the sensible thing and just do 1 full set, 2 3/4 sets, and 2 adventures every year.

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>Last rotation
>Previously killed handlock
>Previously killed aggro hunter
>Previously killed combo druid

>Next rotation is upon us
>Kill zoo warlock
>Kill freeze mage
>Kill miracle rogue
>Looks like they're getting rid of all the classic decks

>Control warrior had no changes
>The only fucking deck that uses classic/basic cards left
>And the most obnoxious of all of them

Fucking hell why didn't they remove something from there too. Without sylvanas brawl fucks everything

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I'm actually surprised and extremely happy that Thalnos doesn't rotate out. My favorite lego and first lego craft.

>>168520727
What? Im not the other anon that was shilling last thread. I just got here after the announcement and waited for a new thread.

>>168520473
Ice block can go in decks people actually like

>>168520808

Deathrattle meta incoming as well, he's only going to get better.

>>168520807
Control warrior is dead

is rag really that op? sure it's a good card but op enough to be rotated? ehh...

>>168520554
>>168520607
>>168520621
>>168520636

Oh okay, thanks. That kinda sucks though. I don't play Wild since I'm lacking most of the good cards and I'd have to buy like $200 in packs to get the dust to craft Wild shit on top of needing to craft relevant epics and legendaries for Standard

Free dust is nice for the next booster pack expansion I guess? Only it's not free if I crafted them for Standard and now can't play them in Standard...!

>>168520554
wait what

how

Up to the maximum number of cards you could put in a deck, we will give you the full dust value of any cards you have that are being added to the Hall of Fame set. (Yes, that means if you have at least one Golden Ragnaros, you'll get 3200 dust!) The dust will be automatically awarded upon log-in once the Year of the Mammoth begins.

HOLD UP I'M CRAFTING EVERYTHING GOLDEN.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

>>168520278
Does Blizzard even play this game?

Azure Drake is an autoinclude because the card draw in this game is garbage and because the other 5 mana neutrals are garbage. If they think people will play that garbage at as alternative think again, it will not be replaced by another 5 mana card.

Sylvanas? Nobody but Renolock even plays Sylvanas anymore because it's too fucking slow, only Reno can flame it/PO it to actually get a result from it.

Ragnaros? You know why people play it? It's the only high mana minion besides fucking Deathwing that actually has an effect the turn you play. Now it's a bad design of a card because that effect is both powerful and RNG dependent so you literally win or lose games on a coin flip, but if Blizzard thinks this will encourage people to play the "dozens of other" 8 drops in the game they're insane. Those dozens of cards are unplayable trash.

And the logic of how destroying a deck (Freeze Mage) will create "more variety" is unbelievable. Freeze Mage is not and has not been the dominant or even a good Mage deck in years. It's a marginal deck that was going to be crippled by emperor anyway. There will be fewer mage options in the next standard cycle guaranteed, just like how warlock went from 3 decks to 1.

>>168520942
I don't know anon, 8-mana 8/8 with Charge and Immune while attacking is pretty good, don't you think?

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>be stupid poorfag
>get 3200 dust for sylv and rag
>shit your pants from happiness

>be smart male with >140 IQ
>craft golden rag and sylv for free
>POTENTIAL "6400" dust profit
>If you ever decide you need dust you can dust them for 3200 dust (same as poorfag)

Questions poorfag? The rich get richer, the poor get poorer end of story.

>>168520924
>in the land of AoE sheeps
lele

>>168520942

In any meta slower than this it's the best lego.

>>168520974
It sucks, but you get basically 400 dust for free if you crafted them and 2000 if you unpacked them. If you dust them after the next expansion is released.

>>168520759
it doesn't say shit

>>168521069
>If you ever decide you need dust you can dust them for 3200 dust (same as poorfag)
You need to read the blizzard post again man...

>>168520807
Control warrior is dead because jade golems exist
Get with times grandpa

>>168521106
It doesnt say that because its not true, poorfags are just mad.

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>>168520935
Control warrior was one of the top decks without expansion cards. Without sylvanas and rag it hurts but they just include ysera, alex and whatever new legendarys again.

When compared to how much shit the other top decks are losing control warrior is no where near dead

>>168521069
You are mentally poor LUL

>>168521006
>Does Blizzard even play this game?
They never did. They killed Oil Rogue because it was limiting design space and proceeded to print zero good weapons for rogue.

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>>168521106

>>168520718
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm out for Witcherstone unless blizzard kicks the Jews out of their headquarters.

What will you replace your Azure Drakes with, anon?

>>168521065
i feel like the random factor balances out the charge it has. if anything, i'd say maybe the attack could use a tweak

>>168520554
How can I abuse this? Craft goldens of the cards and get the dust back?

>>168521190
It's losing it's anal virginity to Jade decks

>>168521227
doesn't say you can't disenchant hall of fame cards

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>>168521196
get fucked poorfag.

>>168521227
ARE YOU RETARDED? Lmao

>>168520473
Ice Block doesn't enable combos which Blizzard hates, and its design is more interesting. It's also fairly iconic to mages.

>>168521069
"Richfag" tears will be delicious after they realized they didn't earn a single dust over anyone who had a regular version of those cards.

No more adventures because who wants to be able to just pay 17 bucks and get a bunch of legendaries and cards to be able to play meta decks

BUY MORE PACKS GOY

>>168521278
Well, Blizz ARE da joos. At least CDPR are actually fucking work at making fucking gwent better.

>>168520509
they got rid of conceal tho

>Blizzard gave Rogue six (6) stealth related minions this expansion to try and push a stealth archetype (which failed, just like their burgle archetype before that and their deathrattle archetype before that)
>Get rid of conceal the next expansion

What is Blizzard thinking? Also:

>Give Priest an insanely overpowered dragon card to finally push dragon priest into viability
>Standard rotation was already going to kill off its early dragon minions, and now it loses azure drake

Man, these refunds are not enough. I spent a lot of dust making my freeze mage deck. I knew losing Emperor and Torch would limit it in the next meta, but losing Ice Lance will break it. I just hope all the other cards I crafted for the deck are useful in the next meta.

Given the annoucements they made last year about rotation, I assumed they'd at least stick to their word for the first rotation. This is a huge let down to me.

>>168521227
You get the dust from them rotating

But you can still disenchant them after that

>>168521308
read
>>168521069


unless youre poorfag who cant affort it.

>>168521397
You get packs from doing the pseudo-adventures now, so it's not all bad.

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WHO ELSE HERE READY TO GET FREE GOLDEN RAGNAROS, SYLVANAS, AZURE DRAKE, POWER OVERWHELMING, ICE LANCE AND CONCEAL.

GET FUCKED POORFAGS HAHAHAHHA

>Remove Conceal
>Remove Azure Drake
>Now you can play the new 5 drops, like Streetwise Investigator!

This first rotation is going to be so great for shitposting i wish it dropped tomorrow already

>>168521479
>before
>grind 2800 dust
>get all adventure cards


>now
>grind some missions
>get 30 packs tops
>expansion is 130 cards with ~20 legos

see the difference?

>>168521290
gnomish inventors, obviously

>>168521437
t. knows what the next expansion will be like

>>168521479
I bet you anything at MOST you will get 6-10 packs

Do you think 6-10 packs will give you 3-5 legendaries, a bunch of epics and meta defining class cards?

This is the fucking worst

>>168521397
Like what?
LoE was a fluke, not the rule.
Kara has been a disaster. Adventures are hardly worth it when most cards are shit and wings are locked one behind another so you can't just get the good wings.

>>168520924
*casts devolve*
*casts mass dispel*

>>168521646

Because they know they will create a bunch of shit legos that people will just dust.

did they give a reason for removing azure drake? it's not even close to op

>>168521774
"too many decks use it"

>>168521431
Yeah, Conceal in Druid was a serious problem.

>>168521774
it was literally an auto-include in 90% of decks

>>168521774
It's incredibly bland.
It's not a card I want to see in every other deck just because it is vanilla good.

>>168521582
>he only has 5k dust
>call others poorfags

>>168521582
Let me get this correct

If I craft golden rag now, come rotation I get 3200 dust for free just for owning it? Then I can dust it later on afterward if I want for 1600?

>>168521795
Why didn't they just make other 5 drops that would be competitive with it?

>>168521774
Idiot redditors complained about it because they think a card being in a lot of decks=OP.

They're gobbling this announcement up completely, Blizzard has won.

>>168521871
Try 32k dust

>>168521845
because it was a good filler card. the card draw added consistency and it has pretty good stats. nothing game breaking

>>168521719
Karazhan

Straight up good cards
-Firelands Portal
-Ivory Knight
-Cloaked Huntress (yes Pally and Hunter are shit but these are good cards)
-Maelstrom Portal
-Barnes
-Swashburglar
-Kindly Grandma
-Spirit Claws
-Netherspite Historian
-Cat Trick
-Babbling book
-Malch Imp

Usable
-Priest of the feast
-Valet
-Book Wyrm
-Medivh
-Curator
-Arcane Giant


I can spend 20 bucks in packs and I'll only get straight up garbage. And this was one of the worst expansions card-quality wise, LoE and BRM all had a shit ton of meta-defining cards.

>Auctioneer didn't get nerfed or cycled

It's like they think that Jade Druids going infinite and totally invalidating slow/Control archetypes and deck Fatigue is okay

Miracle can probably still asspull wins but it'll be harder to play Solitaire then Conceal.

>>168521956
That's correct

>>168522048
>Barens
>good

Meme aside, that's nothing but rare and common cards with Curator and Arcane Giant being legendary and epic.

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>>168520807
Don't forget the next rotation is also killing Renofags and Dragoncucks

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>>168521871

So I craft golden rag, get 3200 dust, disenchant him for additional 1600. Is that correct?

>>168522048
medivh might become better now that the better 8 drop legendary rotates out

>>168522250
he probably won't be dustable after they move him in the hall of fame.
So you basically only get a golden legendary for free.

>>168522189
Kazakus will keep Reno mage in the game

>>168522321
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>168522312
> he probably won't be dustable
I dunno, current Reward set is dustable.

>>168522250
Yes, but dissenchant him first, before the year of the Mammoth changes kick in. You only get the full value refund that way.

>>168522296
>medivh might become better now that the better 8 drop legendary rotates out
Not playing Rag doesnt mean a deck wants to play Mediv

>>168522250
You won't earn anything extra over just owning a regular that you didn't craft.

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>>168522250

>>168522154
Barnes is fine on any deck that can meme high roll anything, which aren't the current ones, but they exist.

Also there was only one epic in Karazhan, and that's 3/5 legendaries being good to usable. Medivh is used on a top 3 deck right now in fact.

>For the Year of the Mammoth, our release cycle will include a ~130 card expansion at the start of the year, a ~130 card expansion in the middle of the year, and another ~130 card expansion at the end of the year.

oh my fucking god they went full Jew. BUY THOSE PACKS, GOYIM.

(Also this fucks newer players who want to do Wild even more since they'll have to buy current packs in the store to disenchant in order to craft pivotal Naxx, GvG, TGT, LoE, AND BrM cards hahahahahaha)

>>168522416
THERE IS NO DE INCENTIVE READ THE POST

>>168522551
>implying wild was ever for newer players
the way wild works it's only going to get bigger and less obtainable fucking retard

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>>168522551
>new players

Newfag here if I have only one wing of BRM can I buy the rest later when the rotation comes out?

>>168522483
I'm talking about the other thing, a lot of faggots say Hall of Fame cards won't be dustable.

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>>168522551
>>new players

>>168522631
>>168522551
Nah I think they'll just finally add Wild packs.

>>168522445
no shit!

>>168522709
If Naxx is anything to fo by, yes.

>>168522501
Medivh was used for an extremely short time until people started saving their Ooze for him. He will never see play once Reno rotates out.

2 out of the 5 legendary cards see extremely limited use, never in competitive decks.
1 out epic sees extremely limited use.

>>168522709
Yes. I had the first wing of Naxxramas and I can still buy the rest of it if I want to.

>>168522048
Fucking this
Everyone's so quick to stick to their pre-Kara notions because Shaman stayed good, but Karazhan brought a shitton of huge game-changing cards to the meta.

Barnes was so good he was seeing play in Midrange Shaman for godsakes.

>>168522720
Even if they are the result dustwise is the same.
The only difference is if you want your rag and sylv golden or not.
Some anon did the math last thread just get it there.

So, they killed Miracle Rogue the only Deck that I have fun play.

Thank you blizzard.

Question, If I use my dust to create Ragnaros then I get 1600 Dust for free after can I dust Ragnaros for additional 400 dusts ?

>>168522631
They said they were going to support Wild more this year. I'm pretty sure they'll add Wild packs.

>>168522709
That's correct.

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>>168522720
That's just one faggot making baseless claims. Such a change would be completely off the norm. Look at Old'Murkeye he is in a special wild set and dustable. They said nothing like that in the article so he's full of shit.

>>168522770
1 out of 1 epic was also the cornerstone of the best deck pre-MSoG. You can't really judge Karazhan's strength taking into account MSoG because MSoG is one of the most fucking broken sets so far.

The dragon warrior variant uses Curator for draw and it's fine.
Medivh is fine.
Barnes is good. Shit it's like everybody forgot already about Hunter rolling Savannah on Barnes.

>>168522883
>So, they killed Miracle Rogue the only Deck that I have fun play.

Man, what a shame, and you only had 4 years to play with it

>>168522767
>>168522808
>>168522889
Thanks anons

the higher ups must be looking at their finances to cause zeriyah to post and interact so much

>rich get richer
this also means that people in top and medium spots will have an easy time going full meta, meaning there will be a ton of full meta steamrolling around which makes the pay wall 10 feet higher
huge problem

on top of that not only do they get things now, with a decent dust haul you can go through a very efficient expansion by crafting the stuff you need to complete a working set and then stopping to save up for the next one, they will be able to save up a lot more than a player who desperately needs to open as many packs as possible

with the lack of an adventure at any point the following goes away, drop 20 or 2800g on an adventure and youre done, this gives a clear 100% of the new cards and you can either continue with the previous set or save up for the next, this is a nice interim/catch up period.
now that its expansion only, there wont be such a moment, everyone overall becomes much more enslaved to having to open as many packs as possible with no end in sight

i see nothing that is actually meaningful to me in regards to the economy, better dust ratios, more gold, cheaper packs, more pack giveaways, better grind. let alone any of this to offset how fucking insane jew all these factors above coming together are gonna be

these are just economy things, you can have a great economy and players have fun and are able to collect honestly and so forth to play the game (which i think is a huge issue atm that the barrier to play is so high, i think hs view numbers are pretty good in part because many people simply cant spend to enjoy playing it themselves)
but then even with good eco the game that is left will still have the card printing and balancing issue, on which they are simply full retard for now. the whole set rotation and even classic ones rotation plays into that a lot too

>>168523082
Yeah and in this 4 years Rogue had a lot of Decks to use!

So if I craft Ragnaros now I will get 1600 Dust and then I can shard him for extra 400 ?

so we all agree these changes were shit all across the board

>>168523651

I'm disappointed that Conceal has gone, I didn't think it was a troublesome card.

>>168523651
tard

>people on reddit saying 3 expansions per year is okay because even though you need to spend way more fucking money on packs/dust for cards, we needed more cards in the rotation
>because team 5 couldn't have just made a $30 adventure with 150 cards

what the fuck. $20 for guaranteed cards vs $50/40 packs to gamble on pulling good shit and dusting everything bad to hopefully get enough dust to craft the necessary meta stuff without needing to buy even MORE packs to gamble/disenchant is awful

blizz has gone FULL JEW. game's dead in a year.

>>168523651
I mean the quality-of-life stuff and the roadmap are all good, the card changes seem stupid on paper but if they actually produce a good expansion then it won't matter as much

Really getting punished for their spell heavy hunter deck, if you go control buster you generally include more minions

>>168523306
the order is a bit wrong ill rephrase to be clear

>people get easy dusts to fill up and complete an easy expansion surely
>plenty can gain from this and now lots more strong meta decks are running around making the wall for a new player really though, you are either in deep or you are fucked
>no simple adventure period allowing people to either catch up on previous or save up for next
>no real economy changes that make it better for players to earn the amounts they need to play
>balancing is still problematic and with rotations and pushing towards getting new expansions more it can easily be more issue ridden

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>still playing kikestone in 2017

>>168523742
It kind of fits all the problems with Rogue tho

>can't remove because lol no inconditional clears except for lock
>triggers auctioneer
>stealthed auctioneer means next turn is going to be retarded

>>168523791
>but if they actually produce a good expansion
This is really the test of it. If we'd gotten some good Rogue weapon stuff then Blade Flurry nerf would have been fine

>>168523742
>I didn't think it was a troublesome card
>Was auto-win against some-classes and promoted non-interactive games

Yeah, sure

>>168523651
the cards rotated will have powercreeped versions this expansion :^)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is there literally no reason not to craft golden Azure Drakes, conceals, etc?
I mean, if you're getting the full amount of dust back in a month or so, why not?

>>168523651
None of the cards were really crazy that makes you win the game by itself. Sure rag is strong, but it hasnt been auto include to everything for a long time. Sylvi is used rarely. Conceal I just dont understand. Freeze mage is annoying as fuck to play against but ice lance isnt even close to being problematic.
New expansion will bring new OP shit anyway so everyone will forget about these changes soon enough.

>>168524051
That the question I am asking myself.

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>people don't understand what hall of fame means as opposed to the trash bin

>nerfing STB
>aggro paladin no longer playable (he wasn't viable before, but he was playable)
>only expensive Reno or Jade decks have a chance at doing anything
This is the future you chose, buy more packs.

>>168524051
There's only no reason to craft them if you already have 2x of each. So, if you have two Golden Conceals, you're not getting the full dust for the third, fourth and so on card.

New to this game. So I just disenchant all the cards that I don't need for dust so I can build decks that I want? Is that the way forward? Or do I keep spending money buying shitty packs?

So, do i buy like 20-30 packs of classic and pray for golden rago\silvo?

>>168524252
Hall of fame means that you can ban cards for a period and then pull them out.

>>168524343
Just paly fucking Gwent.

>>168524306

So do we get dust refunds for 2x standard and 2x golden Drakes? Or would it just be the golden ones?

>>168524051
Have they confirmed that they're moving those cards (or all classic cards) to wild?

>>168523769
what's great is that we'll get more pack filler and most likely the same amount of quality cards an adventure would have given. full jew indeed

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>oh you spent dust on those ever green classic cards?
>into the trash they go
Man, if I was still playing I would be mad.

>>168524170
my thoughts exactly

Only thing i lost was azure and conceal
Im ok with this could be worse

>>168524389
What is that?

>>168524343
Don't disenchant cards until you are good enough to know which ones will never be useful

>>168524485
A card game by Witcher devs.

FUCK YOU BRODE I HAVE LITERALLY BEEN TRYING EVERY EXPANSION TO MAKE ICE LANCE WORK IN TEMPO MAGE AND NOW YOU LITERALLY DELETE IT FROM THE GAME KILL YOURSELF

I'm happy to see rag gone since he's too strong in curve decks.

>>168524485
3 line no face combo card game

>Buccaneer nerfed
>Rogue without conceal or drake

Is it dead again?

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>>168524343
>New to this game
Dude, don't play this game.
It's not worth it.

Fuck this. RIP Freeze Mage. Literally nothing wrong with it, it's exactly what a combo deck should be. Maybe we get lucky and it survives without ice lance, but I doubt it.

Kind of pissed about this Hall of Fame shit and the dust refund is not enough. The dust I get for two ice lances does not match the dust I spent making freeze mage.

>>168524306
So there's no drawback to crafting them if I've just got non-golden versions of them, eh?
Neato, I might as well do that then.

>>168524592
Look at the bright side, you won't have to try anymore

>>168524441
You'll get the dust for 2x Regular and 2x Golden versions of the card, plus you get to keep the cards after they rotate to Wild, so you can additionally dust them for whatever value, depending onthe rarity.

>>168524647
nothing wrong with worgen OTK
nothing wrong with djinn OTK
nothing wrong with 20 damage by 2 leeroys
30 damage a turn balanced :^)

>>168524749
This is all correct.

>>168524647
Without Thaurissan or Ice Lance I can't see it faring well.
Though I do hate facing decks that can kill you in one turn from hand, with no possible counter. So personally I don't care.

>>168524495
I'll probably never know that. I am too lazy and not that invested in the game.

>>168524610
Why? I've already spent some money on packs.

JESUS FUCK YOU GUYS ARE DUMB

YOU GET DUST REFUNDS FOR THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF THE CARD UP TO AS MANY COPIES AS YOU CAN GET IN A DECK

EXAMPLE

YOU HAVE 2X GOLDEN DRAKES AND 2X NORMAL
YOU GET DUST BACK FOR 2 GOLDEN DRAKES

YOU HAVE 1X GOLDEN DRAKE AND 3X NORMAL
YOU GET DUST BACK FOR 1 GOLDEN DRAKE AND 1 NORMAL

OBVIOUSLY SINCE FUCKING LEGENDARIES ARE 1-OF YOU CAN ONLY GET DUST BACK FOR ONE

Time to panic craft golden rag/sylvanas
6400 dust investment now, get 6400 back + 3200 from disenchanting them

>>168524647
>leeroy
>shadowstep
>leeroy
>shadowstep
>leeroy
>cold blood
>cold blood
>prep
>eviscerate
>prep
>eviscerate

nothing wrong

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Acronyms for poorfags?

>>168524978

Wrong

Level 5 reached max retard level.

Hey kid you know tha basic set we give you so that you could have a nice collection of good Core cards ?

Yep those cards are so good in being core that we take it away from you.


At this point Level 5 could save themself only making Basic and Classic free for everyone.

This changes are so retarded and they conflict so much with the concept that I start to think they have a Cthunian Logic.

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I'm ready

>>168524704
Stop spreading misinformation. If you have 2 golden and 2 normal versions, you only get the dust for the 2 golden.
If you have 1 golden and one normal lego, you only get the dust for the 1 golden.

>>168524704
You dont get dust for the regular ones if you have them golden

>>168524990
>tfw 1200 dust short of being able to craft a golden version of either of them
>only around a month to go
I'm not going to make it lads
I want that free 1600 dust

>>168525119
>>168525145
Oops, sorry.

So, now they're going to be releasing only 3 expansions a year instead of 4? This game is dead and Blizzard knows it.

>>168524990
Or spend nothing and just get 3200 from the regular ones

>>168525119
He's saying you can just disenchant the NON-GOLDEN you have left for additional dust.

>>168524997
Why are people even wondering this. Nobody said you cant disenchant them

Will the classic set get new Mage, Rogue and Warlock cards? Seems like bull shit for these classes to lose a card.

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>>168525109

>>168525237
You're forgetting every expansion now has card packs, be sure to buy that $60 preorder for the "best value" goy

>>168525305
And not get free golden cards + dust :^) you're a retard.

There is 0 reason not to craft everything golden. If you wanted to go the poorfag route you could just dust the goldens afterwards.

If you want just ONE golden legendary you just got it for free completely.

>>168523651
Apart from azure drake it seems alright

Without those decks become inconsistent with draws and low to more aggressive decks who don't rely on drawing so much

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>nerf molten
>rotate reno
>rotate fucking power overwhelming

Let me guess, they'll give warlock no viable class cards in the next expansion either because muh hero power.

Elise or rag?

>>168524609
Don't forget based tomb man rotating. No reason to try to keep playing the deck in standard.
Don't worry I'm sure you will enjoy the epic new rogue theme in the next expansion, just buy some packs.
if I play this game at all it'll be in wild

>>168525434
I dont want a free wild card.
I dont carw for the gold.
If the result is the same then im ok with the regular ones.
You can post your math if you want. At least it will help people understand

>>168524452

wew I forgot about all the shitty booster pack fillers. this is going to be great

>>168525228
dust bad cards in your collection, also small time buccaneer will be worth 100 dust when nerfed

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so my friend who started playing a couple weeks ago has like no dust and wont be able to do anything while i will get at least either 2 golden wild legendaries or 2 free standard legendaries of my choice

the fuck man thats so fucking stupid
and you can say veterans need to get stuff, sure but what id like to see is for everyone to get stuff, so while i get 2 my friend gets 2 as well
2 for him is also a lot more valuable than 2 for me

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God you guys are retarded. So retarded that you can't do basic math.

You're at 0 dust.
You craft golden Ragnaros. You're at -3200 dust.
Rotation happens and you get 3200 dust. You're at 0 dust.
You disenchant your Golden Ragnaros. You're at +1600 dust.
You disenchant your regular Ragnaros. You're at +2000 dust.

Final state is +2000 dust.

You're at 0 dust.
Rotation happens and you get 1600 for your regular Ragnaros. You're at +1600.
You disenchant your regular Ragnaros. You're at +2000 dust.

Final state is +2000 dust.

If you have a regular version of the legendary, you can't profit from this deal at all by crafting a golden version. If you don't have a any version, then you can profit 1600 dust by crafting the golden version or 400 dust by crafting a regular version.

>>168525063
Pics related.

>>168525552
>Don't craft anything
>Get 1600 dust for regular legendary = + 1600 dust
>Craft golden version for 3200 dust, get 3200 dust back
>Dust non-golden for +400 dust and a free golden legendary, OR
>Dust golden version for +1600
>OR

>>168525109
two conceals dust for 200, not for 100
same with everything else

>>168524592
>trying to make ice lance work

yeah cause tempo mage is so hard to pull off amirite

kys
>protip: only use one ice lance

>>168525668
they are adding more quest when the new rotation happen so new players shold get more cards faster

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>>168525467
yeah aggro decks are going to be hit so hard with standard rotation we are probably not gonna see aggro warrior ever again, im so glad

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>disenchant mediocre/bad TGT, BRM & LoE cards now instead of waiting until they rotate out
>craft gold Sylvanas & Rag for 6400 dust
>get my 6400 dust back in a month
>disenchant both for an extra 3200 dust
Are there any flaws in my master plan?

>>168525736
I think the point is just that you get to have a golden rag for no real cost.

Some people like golden legendaries.

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>>168525791

>>168525479
I work for blizzard, and I can leak you a nice warlock card for next expansion:
>4mana 7/7 deamon - destroy 2 of your mana crystals for next turn only

>>168525763
>>168525736
You guys should decide between you who is correct
Cause to me it looks like dustwise is all the same

>>168525736
>Pic related

Is that the same with the other cards rotating or just legendaries?

>>168525885

The part where you dust all your wild cards before crafting golden legos that can only be used in wild.

>>168525991
>i wurk fur blazrd
>i kent fukn spel am retorda

end your own life and take that trash-tier memecard with you

>>168525821
yea but dont you think its safe to say that it will be very little
you need a shitload to get into the game so the quests need to be to the tone of 100g+ everday ontop of what what players can already earn to not be meme tier

like i just dont like it when ppl say but there will be some more gold and packs when it most likely is gonna be insignificant amounts

Who here is excited for 130 cards three times? It'll be more expensive, but at least we'll have more than 300 cards in the fucking pool.

>>168525763
You know you keep the regular one too so you can get 1600 for regular then dust it for 400 and arrive at the same value you got for crafting the golden right?

>>168526119
>>i kent fukn spel am retorda
i wasnt aware that being literacy is a part of requirement wrok for blizard

>>168526071
Have 1 Ragnaros
1. Don't do anything, get free +1600
2. Craft golden and dust it, get free +1600
3. Keep golden and dust old one, get free golden ragnaros + 400 dust
4. Keep both versions, get free golden ragnaros

There, every single logical approach

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>Login to old alt account to abuse quests with friends
>This happens
What the fuck why didn't this happen on my main, neither account are new

What's the consensus on the changes among the big players?

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>>168526216
blizzard pls go

>>168526216
Look how many cards you use from classic ad Gadgeztan.

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another year until handlock boys
fuck team 5 and their timidness, just unnerf the damn thing

>>168526216
>expensive, but at least we'll have more than 300 cards in the fucking pool.
yeah man, this giv es them more room to impliment wonky card ideas, i cant wait!

>>168526221
Then you'd end up with 0 cards to play you retard.

The point is that if you get the golden you don't need the regular one anymore.

>>168526364

>playing wild

>>168526238
you (only) get this quest on accounts that have been inactive for a few months

>>168526098
I'd be crafting the gold rag/syl for dust anon, not for use. Unless I'm being retarded it'd be a 3200 dust profit with no downside.

And I'm talking about dusting the soon-to-be-wild cards like Majordomo, Anub'arak, etc. Bad ones that won't see play even in wild.

>>168526398
Yeah see you there after the next rotation :^)

>>168526316
>so you can mwooooorgh mwooooorgh MY SHIELD FOR ARGUS BACK FROM THE JUNK HEAP again in wild

fuck off

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>>168525668

This game is basically for whales now like pic related.

Why else would they change it to three yearly expansions? Now instead of having on set where you spend $20 for a full set of adventure cards while saving gold for the next expansion you have to drop at least $50 per xpac on to of gold to get all of the necessary meta cards. Or say you have enough gold now stocked to buy 50-100 packs of Un'Goro, then what? You have 4 months to save up more gold and if you quit for a few weeks/months, don't log in every three days and reroll cheap quests for maximum gold and/or don't get everything you need then you'll need to shell out $$$ for the next expansion.

(also this guy is a retard because he's making 0 profit. the point is that he's an example of someone who probably sunk a shitload of money into the game in order to have that much dust sitting around and will probably spend $100+ on each future booster pack expansion)

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So let's say you have a regular Sylvanas.

If you craft a golden one for 3200 and get a full dust refund, then disenchant it your profit is basically 1600 dust right? What if they make Hall of Fame cards non-disenchantable to prevent this kind of abuse?

>>168526364
You literally have an option for dusting the golden one foe + 1600 on your post anon.
If i want +1600 all i have to do is nothing and i keep my non golden and get them

>>168526504
handlock is the most patrician deck this game has ever had

>>168526481
you only get dust for 1gold OR normal

>>168526521
I doubt it because otherwise how would people who don't already own the cards get them, they can craft them but not disenchant? Doesn't sound right

>>168526540
Because you still have the non-golden one. These cards have been staples for 3 fucking years, it's safe to assume you have a regular one.

Not owning ragnaros or sylvanas are out of the norm.

So I don't have sylvanas. If I craft her, I'll get the gold back, so it's a free card?

Almost tempted to do this, I do like wild more than standard. Less competitive, more variety.

>/hsg/ isn't talking about what the changes might mean for the game, just arguing over how much dust they get if they craft cards
wew

>>168526235
this is the best
do one for 0 rag and you sorted it all out

>>168526521
Its not an abuse. If you have the regular one an do nothing you get 1600 for her too.
Im amazed by you guys thinking you are gaming jewzzard

>Returning to Hearthstone
>Craft Pirate Warrior because I have a lot of cards from classic
>Use it to win Quest and ladder so that I can gather dust and gold to craft teh Deck I want
>After 1 month I have all the cards I need for my Deck minus the class legendary
>Yesterday open a pack get the class legendary
>So happy!
>Today disover that Miracle Rogue is dead in max a month

Farewell Hearthstone, in one day you killed Pirate Warrior and Miracle Rogue sending to hell all my efforts to build a nice collection.

>>168526131
I mean with all the gold and disenchanting other cards a new player will probably be able to craft a cheap midrange/aggro deck (minus the legendary like patches) faster now than when the game released. I remember when i was playing zoo i didn't even have doomguards until i found them in packs much later and those were only rare

BEN BRODE CONFIRMS IF YOU HAVE BOTH GOLDEN AND NORMAL RAG, THEY WILL ONLY REFUND THE GOLD

>>168526690

It won't have much impact, we'll all just play hog riders :^)

>>168526680
yes, craft the golden version
then you get the 3200 back and can disenchant it for 1600 so you double dip and gain 1600 dust for free

>>168526520
You can't craft more than one lego, the guy is baiting.

>>168526632
>Doesn't sound right
Would it be the first time they did something that didn't sound right?

>>168526728
Did people not understand that from the blog post already?

>>168526861
Just read this thread

>>168526521
Unless Brode goes back on his word, he said they will be disenchantable even after the refund.

Though that is kinda crazy, if you have enough dust to craft either or both (3200 or 6400), there's a 1600/3200 profit with literally no downside.

Nicely done Blizzard. Completely outjewed yourselves and the whole of reddit is giving you thunderous applause. I had to scroll forever to even find a mention that you're increasing the yearly cost of the game tenfold,,and effectively destroyed the ability to farm enough gold between expansions.

>>168526861
Just read the thread and you will see how dumb people can get

Man I'm glad I got golden warlock while handlock and zoo were all the rage.

Only 100 wins left till golden rogue, gotta hurry.

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>Post yfw Year of the Mammoth

What do yall think of the year of the Mammoth changes?

I like them and will probably start playing again once they roll out.

Still frustrated it takes them so long to do things and their rational is shit "we don't want to confuse new players!" and least now we know the real reason though, they're slow to make changes cause their engine is shit and they have to make people re download the whole thing. Hopefully their working on fixing that since that seems to be the real core of hearthstone's problems, shitty coding.

>>168526921
>tenfold
the yearly adventure got changed into an adventure
it's an increase of like $30 assuming you buy everything with money ($50 for each xpac, $20 for adventures)

Hello

I've been playing Gwent for a whole have found that I love card games so I've decided to give hearthstone a try. What are some beginner tips/decks a newcomer like me should know

>>168527049

Craft a golden Ragnaros

>>168527049
You might want to wait for the year of the mammoth to start

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>>168521802
Exactly.

>>168527049
Here's a tip: don't play Hearthstone

>>168526901
Anon if you own them and spend nothing you will get 3200 dust too
The difference is having a shiny plaything for wild or not

>>168526692
Have 1 Ragnaros
1. Don't do anything, get free +1600
2. Craft golden and dust it, get free +1600
3. Keep golden and dust old one, get free golden ragnaros + 400 dust
4. Keep both versions, get free golden ragnaros

Have 0 Ragnaros
1. Craft normal Ragnaros and keep it, get free normal Ragnaros
2. Dust normal Ragnaros, get +400 dust
3. Craft golden Ragnaros and keep it, get free golden Ragnaros
4. Dust golden Ragnaros, get +1600 dust

>>168527049
play aggro and aggro only for the first year unless you spend mad cash
also it will be a lot easier to start in a 2 months or so when the new expansion drops but there's nothing that says you can't get it now

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>>168526984

>>168526520
yea i really dont like that change, i think its the most telling and the biggest move to more greed on their part

i can back up your example with an anecdote, i came back after a while so i didnt have gold saved, i did a pre order once and it was so disappointing, i thought i would finally be able to get to play stuff, so many commons, so many dupes, so many cards still missing, horrible legendaries
that 50 buck mark its really not even realistic to me, maybe if you pair it with all the gold from having played then i can kinda accept it, but then also the rng from packs and the insane crafting ratios plus all the shitty cards
with this 3 expansion thing it really gets totally out of hand money wise

so i like your point about when you fall off the wagon at any point you are so behind that you will be forced to spend real money to catch up and not just a little but a lot
ofc thats very bad i think for allowing people to play

>>168527186
I mean, I'd rather just craft both gold legendaries now, and later disenchant both for 3200 dust and just play Wild with the normal versions.

I like shinies too, but 3200 dust man.

>>168526901
>Unless Brode goes back on his word,
His word ain't worth this.

Also if >>168526728 is to be believed then crafting the golden one will get you 1600 profit if you disenchant afterwards, but you get the same amount of dust for not doing anything if you already own a regular one.

lol all anyone wants to talk about is maximizing dust. it's like you guys don't already have all the good cards anyways.

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>Have both leggies and two gold POs and others
>4,5k free dust

I like it, I dont mind playing Freeze in wild desu

>>168527465
i only just started playing like a week and a half ago. dont think that no one here is new

>>168527196
based

>>168526521

You start with Regular Sylvanas
You Craft Golden Sylv: -3200 dust
Rotation Happens. You get dust back for the Golden Sylv: +3200 dust
You dust Golden: +1600 dust
You keep the Regular to play in Wild.
Total: 4800 dust. You make 1600 "profit".

OR

You have Regular Sylvanas. You do nothing. Rotation happens. You get +1600 dust. You made 1600 for doing nothing.

OR

You have regular Sylvanas and enough dust to craft a Golden one, so 3200 dust. You do nothing. Rotation happens. You get +1600 dust, for a total 4800 if you saved you original dust.

>>168527037
>the yearly adventure got changed into an adventure
it's an increase of like $30 assuming you buy everything with money ($50 for each xpac, $20 for adventures)

$50 worth of packs does not guarantee anything, it's more like $300 to complete a set

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fresh off the crafting screen ama

>>168527591
>You keep the Regular to play in Wild.
lol

>>168527465
Good luck keeping it this way with three expansions and no adventures.

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>>168527651
delet this if you know whats good for you goy

>>168527651
with all the gold and dust in between $50 is usually plenty to get most of the worthwhile cards

I already have golden Sylvanas and Rag, is it worthwhile for me to craft anything?

>>168526728
but does this happen with the other cards like azure drake and ice lance too?

>>168527845

Millhouse

>giving blizz money so you can achieve a 55% winrate

ishygddt

>>168526521
>>168524997
"Abuse"

Dude this is the most stingy and jewy digital CCG. These are fucking rare opportunities for people to get a tiny bonus.

>>168527845
Nope, you can play them in wild and enjoy enough dust to craft 4 new legendaries in standard when the rotation happens.

>>168527882
yes see

>>168527845
you won't get the dust until the new expansion drops and by then there's plenty of shit you'll want to craft

>>168527882
Oh nono
It will only happen with either Rag or Sylvanas since those are discussed about

>>168527651

I don't put any money into this game because its a piece of shit and I'm happy as fuck with this. I generally get 50 packs with gold for expansions and sure, I don't get much, but adventures are fucking nothing, the single player content is abysmal and 45 cards might as well be nothing.

As a card game player, the more the cards, the better

>>168527591
So if you already have normal Rag and Sylvanas, there's no insentive to craft golden versions?
Either way you'd end up with +1600 dust, right?

>>168527819
it could be but probably isn't, lots of rng
also you are assuming both a stash of gold and dust, where does that come from?
what will happen next expansion when you deplete it on this one? it's gonna run empty because its extremely unfavorable

and the argument that if you stop gaining gold and packs and dust from playing at any point will set you back, you also know that your argument only holds for a very active player.
a player who took a break will be looking at having to make up for that gold and dust you speak off with another 50 or maybe another 100

compare that to 20 for an adventure and 100% of the cards no matter what or when you get it

>>168528068
unless you want cheap (1200 dust) upgrade to gold there isn't

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Please make this the next OP.

>>168527882
It's fucking obvious, jesus christ.

You get TWO refund slots on cards with 2 copies available.

1. Have 2 golden versions, get 2 golden refunded
2. Have ONLY 2 normals, get 2 normals refunded
3. Have 1 golden, 1 normal, get one golden and one normal refunded.

Cmon basic logic.


So if you have 2 golden you get 2 golden refunds. If you have 2 normals only you get 2 normals. If you get

>>168528105
my dust pile has only been getting larger as time goes on I don't mind having something to spend it on
either case you're right it's a bit more expensive but I think it's still a great change to get more cards every year

>standard packs getting worse and worse

when will they end?

>>168528149
next expansion = 5mana 4/4 spellpower, draw a card legendary in murloc beast and pirate form

>>168527672
congrats on your 100 dust

>>168528068
Yes there is an incentive.

1. If you plan to use the golden version OR just like the collection value it gives you a 3200 dust 'value'
2. You can dust the non-golden version to end up 400 dust higher than not crafting a golden version
3. If you ever decide you didn't care about it, you can dust it to end up with no loss for going the golden route whatsoever. If you didn't dust the non-golden version yet.

>>168527672
Why didnt you wait until the last day to craft them incase you get it in a pack

>>168528306
you mean his free wild card?

>>168528306
100 dust and 2 golden azure drakes to use. Or to dust at no loss.

>>168528332
If you're still buying classic packs by now you're running terribly behind and are not the norm of this general.

joke's on blizzard

been playing this shit since earliest beta wave on and off and I still haven't pulled a ragnaros or sylvanas, I'm not affected at all!

>>168528440
no I mean 100 free dust

Someone has beta key for Gwent ?

>>168528332
I haven't bought classic packs in ages and the odds of getting it from the few brawls until then are so small I don't worry about it

>>168528306
I lost 100 dust on each
but that's okay since I like muh bling and play wild

Hearthstone will soon have ZERO (0) combo decks.

>>168528281
sure i can agree with that especially if they make cool cards
but keep in mind 3 expansions vs 2 and 1 adventure, thats about 90 more cards

a big problem with the game is how greedy it is and how hard it is to get into and its impossible to be able to play/grind a bunch to earn stuff
we move away even further from that like this and what i find most important is that we move closer and make that whole experience better

>>168528515
thank you based god

>>168528515
?

How come? Nothings nerfed

>>168528515
And that's great.

blizzard actually doing something right
>Is this... the end of the world?

>>168528482
No. You're an idiot.

This shit is why the "you should be able to solve this" meme was created, and still exists. Someone should post one.

>>168528631
u shitting me? patron gone, emeror gone, ice lance gone, PO gone. The only thing left is that 12card aviana kun combo

>>168528631
See rotation.

>>168521364
except that they get a gold copy to jerk off to and the others don't. It's free pixels if you have the spare dust right now

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>come back from work
>Yet more amazing news
I should go to work more often

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Jesus christ why is it so hard for people to grasp basic logic in this general.

>>168521071
>reno decks will survive without reno
Haha

>>168526520
>help
lul

>>168528057
>adventures are fucking nothing, the single player content is abysmal and 45 cards might as well be nothing.

Naxx and LoE would like to have a word with you

More cards just equal pulling more bullshit since people will only go for the OP shit

>>168528717
>>168528764

?, only patron is gone

>rotation
Wild is the best place to play HS anon

>>168528310
I don't really care about having a golden collection (especially for wild), seems as if not crafting the golds is the best route.
Crafting them for 6400 dust would give me 6400 dust back and I'd break even, not crafting them would cost me 0 and give me 3200 dust.

>>168528783

Dude it's so simple

You just craft and then dust and then get a free refund and also dust that new card but only get a free refund on one of those cards unless there's two in a deck then it's two.

Duh

>>168528624
>>168528641
Average Curvebabby. You deserve everything Brode brings upon you.

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>>168521364
>Like golden Ragnaros, Sylvanas, Azure Drakes
>Get them for free and get to dust the non-golden versions for additional dust
>HAHAHA CAN'T WAIT FOR RICHFAGS TEARS WHEN THEY USE THEIR FREE GOLDEN LEGENDARIES

>>168522321
the only kazak deck that even has a chance of surviving is priest, and even then it will probably be a shit meme deck.

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Oh shit, new thread

Remember to sign up for /hsg/'s next open tournament! Prize is 25$ in Blizzbucks.

Date: Feb. 24-26
Time: 6pm EST
Format: Conquest, Bo5
Stream: twitchDOTtv/axolotlhooves
Streamer Battletag: AxolotlAndy#1798
Entry Form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfWgLm4nNqzprlQVKZEKGYNLav4tRDpMz1QXqYNV6lTtwLcDQ/viewform

>>168528879
nobody likes wild tho, if i saw dr 6 into dr 7 into dr 8 i'd kill ymself

>>168528782
how do I sign up for the NA tournament? do I get to bring meme decks?

>>168527307

Yeah it's pretty much greedy jewish antics.

Like you, I quit playing for a while. Like half a year or longer. I came back for MSoG. Didn't really have much gold so I dropped $50 on packs. Got PLENTY of dupes
(like 9x commons), got lots of awful shit and a few packs refunded for the day 1 glitch. STILL ended up needing to craft Aya, Kazakus, and almost all the necessary Epics which required buying more packs with cash and gold as I did my dailies. Now I have 0 gold and 0 dust (still needed to craft some Classic Epics and Legendaries) so if I don't take another break I should have around 2500 gold if the xpac drops around the second week of April. That enough for 25 packs which means I'll need to buy more packs if I want to have all the good shit. And from now on, if I ever take a break from the game for a month or two or even longer I'll never have enough gold to float over expansions so I'd have to continually spend more than $20 (cost of one adventure) per expansion.

I don't know if I'll keep playing after Un'Goro because $150+/yr every year on a "Free" game (and you can't even complete any expansion set without spending more) with no way to get even half much shit as IAP players is shit.

>>168529001
EU or NA?

>>168529014
Yeah

But combo decks can demolish the few midrange decks which use Dr 7

I like it

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Any guesses concerning the expansion themes? We know the first one, the second one is something magicky and i'm not sure if the goldsack is related to the third

>while aggro/curve tempo is rampant, Blizzard banishes strong control cards to Wild and a few other spells in non-aggro decks
Calling it now they will release the strongest 1 and/or 2 drop ever next expansion/adventure and you will win games by turn 2/3. Team 5 consistently favors aggro now days.

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>>168529031
See the entry form link in >>168529001
As long as your deck adheres to the cardban list, you're g2g. If you break the rules, we make you replace your offending cards with Tinyfins and Wisps.

>>168529068
NA lel

The ONLY jade golme card that has the potential to be nerfed is the 1 mana jade idol right? I can dust the rest without fear of them being nerfed?

>>168529001
Hey Tourney guy make an EU one as well. I can gather people during EU hours.

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>no more adventures
>no more Sylvanas (my first legendary)
>100% more happy merchant
oh i can't wait

>>168529197
Did I miss the fabled EU tourney or did it never happen?

>>168529204
Can you -promise- at least 8 participants? I've attempted garnering interest for an EU tourney but literally every time I try to gauge interest, I get no tasty (You)'s of confidence.

>>168529204
>>168529256
If EU wants it, I will shift the region to EU for that weekend and host an NA one shortly after.

>>168529153
2nd one icc or that tower dungeon in coldara?