/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

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First for /OURBOY/

>>168029370
>snuff out the First Flame
>entire screen is pitch black except for your HUD, torches don't work because you brought about the Age of Dark

>>168029419
Someone post the WebM of her blinking her eyes separately.

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>>168029414
>bloodborne in pasta

You dun goofed, anon.

>>168029563
>blinking her eyes separately
Isn't that what lizards do?

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Just look at this sexy motherfucker.

>>168029589
someone should tweet Vaati or something asking for specifics on the Angel death/respawn animation -- do they get summoned back in like a phantom by the Pilgrim, or are they literally emanating from it like a spell?

>>168029639
Is that pontiff or lothric?
It looks identical to the prayer set.

>>168028512
Speculating is more along the lines of Solaire is the firstborn, Old ornstein is Yorgh, Aldrich ate Nito

You can have fun trying to point those out and trying to pointlessly link things, bu please, don't pretend they were ever relevant lorewise or hold any 100% true proof instead of just things that might be.

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I want to play through DS2 having dropped it after 10 hours previously. What can I do to make this fun? Weapon/build info is appreciated.

>>168029746
Nothing, if you just hate the game then don't bother.

>>168029713
Pontiff. That's the profaned greatsword. Meanwhile lothric can't even pick up his straight sword.

>>168029746
the funnest weapon for me in ds2 is the greatsword. going gutsmode could help, if you're into that sort of thing. nothing makes it funner than other games though, it's just so fucking slugish

>>168029829
It's a statue though, he doesn't have to be using it.

>>168029746
Don't be ashamed to over-level for FoFG, the place is pretty bullshit.
Spellcaster builds are overpowered, but always have some reliable source of physical damage.
Most enemies don't have strong resistance against Strike damage, so maces are OP.
Lifegems make the game ridiculously easy.
Level Adaptability.

>>168029605
I wonder, is Dancer effectively the queen of Irithyll? She's the highest ranking knight left after Vordt and Pontiff are killed.

>>168029589
Bloodborne belongs here.

>>168029746
Dark Souls 2 is slow and clunky. It doesn't start getting better until you dump 20+ levels into Adaptability, and the best areas of the game (DLCs) are locked behind the worst areas of the game (Iron Keep, poison spithouse, gate of one million souls).

One thing you can do to make it entertaining is what I like to call a "RNG playthrough". Start with the Petrified Something, trade the Something to the crows at the start of the game. You have to use whatever you end up with for the rest of the game. Use the small white soapstone sign when possible to get smooth and silky stones, and trade them to the crows for more things. Always trade with the crows when you can, and you must use everything you get from them. Join the Rat covenant at your first opportunity for more chances to get smooth and silky stones.

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>>168029918
Let's play Occam's razor here. It makes more sense for it to be Sulyvahn then Lothric. Why would they make a statue with Lothric holding what is Sulyvahns unique weapon?

Plus Sulyvahns clothing is that of the scholars. We also know he's against fire linking just as the first of the scholars was. Ergo, it makes sense for him to be he first scholar and who the statue shows.

>>168029713
It's Lothric of course
Why would they build a statue for Sulyvahn in Lothric

>>168030103
>Why would they make a statue with Lothric holding what is Sulyvahns unique weapon?
To honour his mentor, or something.
>Plus Sulyvahns clothing is that of the scholars
Except the statue is not wearing those that look like pontiffs or the vestments of candle-men.

>>168030103
There is always a simpler explanation.

Simplest explanation: the figure wearing Lothric's clothes, which he's been wearing since birth and are special ceremonial robes that only he wears due to his role as chosen heir, is most likely Prince Lothric. The fact that he probably can't even use the Profaned Greatsword could actually be supported by the fact that he isn't even holding it up on his own. If anything, it looks more like he's struggling to hold it in place the way it is.

what are some fun builds for a new playthrough dsg (no magic or pyro pls)

>>168029728
>don't pretend they were ever relevant lorewise or hold any 100% true proof

I think this is a strawman, no one is doing that, no one is even talking about that.
an anon claimed that DS is a simple and straightforward story, and the 100% lore truth is all you need to make sense of things.

I disagree. If you only took the story at face value, you'd come away with "Linking the fire good! Age of Dark bad!" This might be fine for some, but I feel like it's an oversimplification.

>>168030226
What if we go simpler? Asset an intern decided to reuse.

>>168029918
if it were a statue of Lothric it wouldn't have Pontiff's sword in the first place, though, it would have Lothric's sword

Also: the statue is wearing Pontiff's bracelets

>inb4 muh prayer robes
those robes aren't exclusive to Lothric, all the casters/priests in Lothric Castle wear similar attire

>>168030353

Hidden Body ninja speed run. Backstabs only.

>>168030373
>strawman
>If you only took the story at face value, you'd come away with "Linking the fire good! Age of Dark bad!" This might be fine for some, but I feel like it's an oversimplification

Of course that's an oversimplification, you fucking hypocrite. You're the one doing the oversimplification, and also that's a strawman.

There's also Kaathe, who provides his own argument that the age of dark is good for reasons to add a different perspective from Frampt, there are facts about other things in the game like who the characters are and what they do, what happened where, and a rough order of events, all that jazz. There has to be, if there's enough in place to speculate off at all.

Now quit being a nignog about it.

>Turns out time and space are collapsing
>Earthern Peak's elevator now makes sense thanks to DaS3 lore

>>168030580

>>Earthern Peak's elevator now makes sense thanks to DaS3 lore

Stop making excuses for the horrible bastards who made DS2's level design.

Sulyvahn has no connection to Lothric tho
>muh first scholar
NO

>>168030660
>muh first scholar
yes

>>168029639
>tfw I just realized the other day that Pontiff is the "first scholar" mentioned in that spell you get in t he archives, and not Aldia

>>168030660
>Sulyvahn has no connection to Lothric tho
>a statue in Lothric that either depicts him or Lothric holding his sword

>>168030660
>there's no connection, except this one which I'll immediately deny without counterargument

>>168030528
>casters priests in lothric castle wear similar attire

Sure, but not exactly the same. Theirs looks different.

I like to think the statue is just the idealized version of what everyone was hoping the prince would turn out to be instead of the frail fuckboi they ended up with.

>>168030651
tell that to miyazaki

>>168030373
But you don't. The 100% true relevant lore has people claiming the dark is good as well in all three games.

>>168030651
don't you get it, anon? the geographic inconsistency is a reflection of how badly hollowed the player character is -- they're losing their memory and thus cannot form good recollections of long journeys throughout the continent, ending up in places they shouldn't be without a good perception of how they got there

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>>168030724
You only just now figured that out?

>>168030569
>There's also Kaathe

The leader of skeletors? the guy in an endless void?

Yeah the game doesn't try at all to portray him as a bad guy. Just the same as Frampt right? You're fucking deluded and mad about being deluded

>>168030913
to be fair, that information isn't readily available to everyone. not all can read moonrunes

>>168030789
that still doesn't explain why they gave him Pontiff's weapons and jewelry

>>168030981
The fact is that the game presents counterpoints and uses reasoning for them, which contradicts your strawman.

>>168030569
>unironically believing Kaathe's lies
haha epic post buddy, I can't wait to hang out with all my bloathead friends as a hideous Abyss monster will all the hollows and pus of men haha sounds like a good time amirite?

>>168031073
Of course not, because that's the actual question being discussed here. Who it's a statue of or who's sword that is were never in doubt, it was why Prince Lothric has Sulyvahn's sword and bracelets.

>>168030913
wait so if I understand this properly, in addition to all the shit we know for sure that Pontiff did, he ALSO is the one responsible for convincing Lothric to not link the flame? what DIDNT he do?

>>168030913
To be fair, the soul geyser/stream do have the same names and both pontiff/aldia share the tree theme.

>>168031160
>being this bad at reading comprehension
I didn't say anything about Kaathe being right, you ass burger. >>168031094

>>168031241
Survive.
>pontiff_point_down.png

>>168031094
They are counterpoints in the same way a villain is counterpoint to a hero.
The game and story portrays it as such at face value.

Pls find me a character that calls for the Age of Dark who is not portrayed as creepy and evil. I'll wait

>>168031241
>what DIDNT he do?
The whole plot of vanilla das3 can be summarized with "Pontiff fucks the world". It's only in the DLCs that we learn about the things Londor did instead.

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>>168031320
Will bluebois ever recover?

>>168031418
>Pontiff hanging out around the exit to the Painted World

>MY NAME IS NOT IMPORTANT, WHAT IS IMPORTANT, IS WHAT I AM GOING TO DO

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What new lore will we learn about /OURBOY/ in the ringed city?

>>168031382
>They are counterpoints in the same way a villain is counterpoint to a hero
Fucking false. The game makes no attempt to define either ending as good or evil, and Frampt is no less duplicitous than Kaathe. He manipulates you just as much in the exact same way to serve his own ends. The Age of Fire isn't shown as anything more than the continuation of what little is left after the events of Dark Souls 1, and the Age of Dark isn't presented as anything more than a total reset button.

>muh false dilemma
Get out of here with your plebian-tier argumentative structure.

I'll view the DLC as a letdown if we don't get to fight some fucking Primordial Serpents.

>>168031418
well to be fair, Aldrich and McDonnel acomplished a lot of evil shit on their own before Pontiff showed up

>>168029713
It's Lothric wearing one of Sulyvahn's bangles and admiring the Profaned Greatsword.

>>168031418
>It's only in the DLCs that we learn about the things Londor did instead.
what

>>168031690
AoA was Londor: the DLC, and TRC has Swords of Avowal stuck literally everywhere + it seems like the Angelic Faith of Lothric was all a part of Yuria's plan

>>168031636
Fair point. I almost said we don't actually know when Pontiff showed up, except we know Aldrich was from at least one firelinking ago. I don't remember him doing any evil shit aside from eating people and corrupting an entire church, though. The road of sacrifices was probably his doing, at most.

>>168031662

>Sulyvahn fucked Lothric into the twink he is today

What else has this madman achieved?

>>168031776
>AoA was Londor
You can't just say stuff like that without elaborating

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>>168031606
why would you want to fight a primordial serpent?
every single big monster boss fight in Souls is disgustingly bad. If we get to fight one, I hope it talks during the fight (or we can hear its snoring as we approach), and it isn't a "here's three phases bro, ok you defeated him, bonfire, yay!". I unironically expect something fucked up after defeating one, like the world suddenly imploding in front of you, or everything freezing, or a final CGI cutscene. Otherwise the impact of fighting a primordial serpent is completely gone if they're just one more boss.

>>168031316
no, but you're saying one would be just as likely to side with Kaathe and dark as Frampt and fire. And the game does nothing to portray one side better or worse than the other...

"It's just a different worldview bro!"

>>168031592
>Frampt is no less duplicitous than Kaath

If you're just going by what's presented without speculating, why would you believe that?
If you don't think that the dark is depicted negatively in the game, I don't know what to say. You're deluded, perhaps you've gone Hollow?

>>168031791
I think that it's safe to say that everything up to Aldrich linking the flame was done on his own without Pontiff's help

>eating tons of people alive
>torturing people to death for fun
>setting up the evilest religion in Souls history
>fucking up the Undead settlement
>destroying Astora
>not evil

>>168031776
>AoA was Londor
but it wasn't. AoA is all about re-introducing paintings to the plot and making them relevant (possibly the focal point of it all). Elfriede (who abandoned the Sable Church, so she isn't even L O N D O R anymore) is merely there to explain the corruption.

>>168031606
>>168031867
It's pretty much confirmed it's gonna be serpents
>SnakeSoul

>>168031859
Friede was from Londor, the Painting is some kind of dark magic, and the entire point of AoA was to show how deluded Londor was, by showing what a bad idea it is to keep a rotting world on life support past its' expiration date instead of letting it die

>>168032013
you're bracing yourself for disappointment if you're expecting this >>168031867
though (the pic, the text part is basically impossible)

>>168031537
The one you killed in Irithyll was an illusion cast by Aldrich.

>>168032032
>nd the entire point of AoA was to show how deluded Londor was, by showing what a bad idea it is to keep a rotting world on life support past its' expiration date instead of letting it die
what are you talking about you retard
Londor and its agents (the sisters of the Sable Church) want to end the age of fire, that's why they ask you to steal the flame and let the world die

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>tfw can't beat Pontiff

I can't kill his clone fast enough and when both gang up on me I'm fucked.

Help.

>>168031859
Friede was one of the Sable Church's three founders, Vilhelm was her knight, Friede abandoned the Sable Church and found something she wanted to preserve in the Painted World so she convinced Father Ariandel to quench the flame with his blood so the painting would linger instead of being remade. AoA was the Painted World with Londor makeup.

>>168031921
>you're saying one would be just as likely to side with Kaathe and dark as Frampt and fire
This is true, though. People were arguing for months which side was the actual "good" ending because the game never tells you. It only presents arguments for both sides and lets you figure it out on your own.

>If you don't think that the dark is depicted negatively in the game, I don't know what to say
The Age of Dark is presented as a total reset button. Nothing more, nothing less. The Age of Fire is presented as a continuation of what little is left. Nothing more, nothing less. Neither ending is presented in terms of good or evil, only whether you think there's anything worth saving or if you're going to throw it all away for a fresh start.

Thinking otherwise requires information that isn't actually in the game, i.e. speculation.

>>168032068
I'm not, I know that The Know screenshots are all from scrapped beta builds where we fought Gundy in Oceiros' room and Wolnir in Yhorms.

>>168032235
Try dodging

>>168031940
I forgot about the Astora bit.

>>168032179
Londor's stated goal is to give the First Flame to mankind, since there aren't any gods left to make use of it. Yuria says these exact words, only a little more flowery. The end result, as shown in the ending cutscene, is an age separate from either light or dark populated by barely sane hollows who hardly have the energy to kneel, but will most likely continue existing in perpetuity.

>>168032179
wow how is it possible to miss the point this hard

>usurping the flame is letting the world die
no it isn't, letting the fire die is letting the world die. shoving it inside yourself and keeping it alive with your humanity is NOT letting the world die, it is letting the world fester forever instead of dying as intended, just like how refusing to burn the painting causes rot and fester. it's no better than continuing to link the flame. letting the world outside the painting die is the End of Fire ending

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>>168032235
You can damage his phantom while he's summoning it. He's not exceptionally hard, but I still consider him to be on the harder spectrum of Souls bosses if you don't parry him.
I also find the circlejerk around him amusing.

>>168032235
>killing the clone

>>168032235
P A R just summon

>seeded gank squad hiding in the top of the ladder shortcut room at pontiff (after the silver knights)
>spamming pyros and force from the doorway
>fuck this, invaded these faggots three times in a row now
>whip out milliwood bow + obscuring ring
>watch the host from the platform after the waterway bonfire
>every so often he runs out to jump on invaders
>one time he runs off
>charge up my bow
>he kills the invader
>he's running back to his fuccbois
>shoot the arrow into the corner of the bridge
>think I fucked up, not good with bow
>host doesn't see it
>runs past it
>it explodes
>gets blasted into the abyss below
>go home with shekel

My first bow kill, felt good.

>>168029541
I want to lick his wooden cloaca

what is the hardest boss in DaS3?

>>168032483

The Pontiff really is a Deviantart-tier OC character.

>>168032527
I always found this amusing. All the horror stories I heard about Pontiff intimidated me to all hell, so I summoned Gotthard and Anri on my first attempt, expecting a super hard fight, and they ended up just handing him his ass without me ever falling below 50% HP.

He's one of the few bosses in the game where summoning AI phantoms will turn him into a fucking joke.

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This is my first build. I didn't have the confidence to make my own, so I made a "pre-made" one for Prince Austin Lyle from kings field 3

120 Deprived

Vigor: 20
Endurance: 20
Vitality: 21
Attunement: 20
Strength: 20
Dexterity: 30
Adaptability: 6
Intelligence: 30
Faith: 6

LH1: Blue Flame
LH2: Bare Fists
LH3: Moonlight GS
RH1: Royal Kite Shield
RH2: Drakeblood GS
RH3: Bare Fists

Spell 1: Magic Weapon
Spell 2: Shockwave
Spell 3: Soul Greatsword
Spell 4: Repair

Ring 1: Ring of Blades
Ring 2: Third Dragon Ring
Ring 3: Ring of Restoration
Ring 4: Bracing Knuckle Ring

No Estus, Lifegems, green blossom, crimson water and Dragon Charms only, no bonfire or death run

>>168032756
Sister Friede
Three fucking health bars and the last phase is basically Lady Maria

how did Pontiff break the dancer?

>>168032985
Literally fucked her silly.

>>168032985
He put a ring on it

>>168032810
Of course he is. Pontiff was born in a painted world, then escaped the painting and came to life. He's literally someone's OC.

>>168032810
It's a tough call between him, Friede and Maria from BB.
>evil pope wizard king with 2 massive swords, a Stand and touhou twig wings
>evil dual scythe nun with 2 scythes and ice + black fire
>evil undying huntress with flammable blood and twinblade that transforms into 2kat

>>168033035
>implying that he didn't edge her 24/7, teasing the brink of an orgasm and only allowing her to cum when she renounced the gods

>>168033152
>>168033035

>bursts out of a drippy cum bubble

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>>168032924
>brass set
still mad about your trapfu huh

Lore question time.

>gwyn gave a lord soul fragment to the four kings
>gwyn at some point left to fight chaos and link the first flame
>aota happens in the past, before new londo was built

When exactly did Gwyn go to link the fire? Did he actually see Manus hulk out and corrupt an entire city, then just sit around for a few hundred years and let a bunch of people repopulate the same place again? New Londo built a fucking staircase into the Abyss for crying out loud, what did he think would happen?

>>168033308
Gwyn probably linked the flame before Oolacile revived Manus and drove him insane with whatever fucked-up things they did, he never saw the Abyss

New Londo was built and thriving at this point, the reason why the 4Kangs got suckered into the Abyss party was because that shit was literally leaking up into their basement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGQ86Aet_7M

>>168033308
No one said he was very smart. He's basically just Zeus. Only difference being he didn't birth someone from his thigh. (That we know of)

>>168033308
On that note, why does the abyss look different from the abyss in AOTA? In vanilla its just a void. In aota its basuclsly just hell if it was dank looking rock

who are the Painter's parents?

we're going to kill the Pygmy and have to give The Dark Soul loot to Gael, aren't we?

>>168033579
it's not as old and "matured" as it is in the present

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>>168033447
But if that were true, then Gwyn couldn't have given the Four Kings a piece of his Lord Soul because New Londo didn't exist back then.

Look at this map, New Londo occupies the space where Chasm of the Abyss is in AotA. Chester and Elizabeth both say that you're in the past, which means Gwyn cannot have left to link the fire until well after Manus went apeshit.

I want bone fist in DLC2.

If it doesn't happen i'll

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Holy shit you can buy boss armours in DS1! I had no idea despite a hundred plus hours.

>mfw I can BE the 2cute4u princess

>>168033629
>you're in the past, which means that Gwyn cannot have left to link the flame yet
says who? explain why you can't time-travel to a past point somewhere in the 1000 year time period between when Gwyn linked the flame and you do so. this is bizarre logic

>New Londo didn't exist back then
it was a thriving Undead city before the Abyss was a thing, you dongus, the Abyss came up everywhere AFTER the city was built and the 4 Kings got a fragment of Gwyn's soul.

>>168033679
Kamehamehadouken?

>>168033679
I'd rather not have it if it's going to just have a generic shitty moveset.

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>>168033792
Kamehamehadouken the Emerald Heralds face.

>>168033886
If it was going to be in, it'd probably have a backflip kick as one of its art moves.

>>168033752
Did you read?

Chester and Elizabeth explain that you've gone into the past when Manus pulled you into Oolacile.

In AotA, the Chasm of the Abyss is a big gaping hole that occupies the space where New Londo would normally be. Since we already know this is the past, that means New Londo cannot have been built yet.

This is supported by Alvina saying Artorias' legend is false (his legend being that he fought the darkwraiths). Artorias cannot have ever fought the darkwraiths because they didn't exist back then.

If Gwyn gave a lord soul fragment to the four kings, that means he didn't leave to link the fire until well after the events of AotA.

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>>168033608
>who are the Painter's parents?
We don't know.
People will claim it's Priscilla, but I doubt that, her features are more serpentine than draconic, which makes it even spookier considering she's in search of Dark Soul of Man which she needs to paint a "cold, dark, and very gentle place" which almost identically matches the description of the Deep.

>>168033679
>>168033886
>it's just the caestus with a new weapon art

I can actually see them fucking it up like that.

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Geez, did Lightning Spear murder the director's family or something? This is horrible

>>168032245
> It only presents arguments for both sides and lets you figure it out on your own.
The sides are not presented the same way though, You meet Kingseeker Frampt first in sunny safe space, You meet Darkstalker Kaathe in a black void. It's easy to disregard what he says because on the surface he seems "evil". It's only when you try to look deeper and speculate (or edgy contrarian) you'll start to side with Kaathe.

The original argument was that DS lore is simple and straightforward! no speculation necessary! I dunno. I'm not convinced.

>The Age of Dark is presented as a total reset button. Nothing more, nothing less
I think you're glossing over that a bit. It is an indeterminable period of nothingness. I think the idea of an Age of Dark frightens people, It feeds off a person's fear of death. Most people would rather have fading shit than nothing.

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>>168033936
>Sauldens tombstone in the background

>>168034008
More likely they'll keep its powerstance moveset, but make the R1 moveset into normal fist attacks. Its L2 becomes a stance that lets you use its original R1 moveset and hadokens with R2, but because it's a stance you can't use the running or rolling attacks anymore. The two-handed moveset is also completely removed.

>>168034124
It's not much better in DS3, either

>>168034208
Can't lewd up the Emerald Herald with some weird guy looking on from the obelisk, can you?

>>168033974
Her father was Nameless King and her mother was a Man-Serpent (or Woman-Serpent, in this case)
"Gael" is actually Gwyndolin, and the "Gwyndolin" that Aldrich ate was actually an illusion

>>168034230
3 has Gnaw/Dorphys Gnawing miracles which murder the shit out of PvE because bleeding and dark are OP and Gnaw deals both.

>>168034124
It was absurdly broken upon release, it's actually supposed to have more stacks than that but it was accidentally nerfed in a patch, and it was never fixed.

And, believe it or not, Faith is actually BETTER in this game than it is in the next one. You think Tanimura had it in for Faith? See what Miyazaki does to it.

>>168034124
Say it with me now.

Artificial...

>>168034390
Grass

>>168034124
It was good enough for retards to use successfully in pve so they made it useless for everyone
They stay shit in 3

>>168033970
No, it occupies the space underneath New Londo, just like how the 4Kings is physically underneath New Londo, not on top of it. Your map does not show the Z axis, only the X and Y. Look at the video in >>168033447, the geography works out

>Artorias cannot have ever fought the Darkwraiths as they didn't exist back then

>The legend that Artorias repelled the Abyss only told half the story. -- Soul of Artorias

Artorias fighting the Darkwraiths really happened. This is mentioned in the description of his weapons, and in his anti-Abyss ring (which actually works). Anor Londor didn't catch wind of the Abyss until after the crisis had spread to the point of progressing beyond Oolacile and infecting the neighboring city of New Londo. Artorias showed up and started fucking up the Darkwraiths, but was forced to leave New Londo and rescue Princess Dusk and kill Manus. The falsehood of his legend is that he defeated Manus. New Londo was flooded in because the keepers couldn't deal with the Darkwraiths without Artorias' help.

>>168034362
>Gnaw
>bad
>378 HP for 13 FP
>bad

>>168033936
I want to power stance dual wield her majulas

>>168033974
> the description of the Deep.
I'm still having trouble understanding what the deep is. I thought it was just Aldritch's dream of the coming age of dark.
but then there's too many descriptions of water and the sea. Is it an Abyss so thick it's like you're in water? Or did Aldritch want to eat the entire world so it'd be covered in his goo?

>>168034473
Did Ariandel or Qt3.14painter paint all those pictures of Friede?

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>>168034330
I don't even want shannalotte. I want Mr. Faraam. She's just a trash oc that combines Frampt/MiB in one.

>>168034612
>I'm still having trouble understanding what the deep is
The Deep is what happens when you get a giant collection of Humanity all in one spot, but that humanity ISN'T wild, which is what distinguishes it from the Abyss. When people die, their humanity occasionally doesn't linger on their corpse. It sinks, as humanity is heavy, coalescing quietly in the roots of the world almost like a viscous, sludgy fluid, where it then sits stagnantly and peacefully. Occasionally some of it comes to the surface, which you can observe as the giant Humanity lake outside the CotD. The Dark Soul has been re-forming spontaneously as the fire fades, and in the 2nd DLC when literally the whole world crushes down to a single point, this mass of humanity is brought to the surface.

>>168034191
Dark Souls lore is what's literally stated in the game. This includes every item description, every NPC dialogue, and every world design choice. It literally does not get any simpler than "this is what it says". Reciting what the game says requires zero thought, zero speculation, zero mental activity of any kind outside memorization. It is simplicity itself.

Kaathe being found in a dark and spooky place and being snakey as fuck does not mean Frampt is suddenly trustworthy. That's retarded, you're being retarded, and I think you're doing it on purpose at this point. It's plain as day that Frampt isn't telling you the whole story, and his little side comments add up until he all but states that "becoming the next king" involves taking Gwyn's place as kindling instead of being a ruler like he implies. Frampt tries to convince the player that they're going to rule over a kingdom, he says nothing about burning forever. Kaathe gives the player some of the information Frampt was withholding, and points out parts where Frampt was lying in order to convince you that letting the fire die would be the better choice (though he frames it more as letting nature do what it's supposed to be doing). Trusting either of them is stupidity itself, it's just that you don't have any other choices.

It doesn't matter how long the nothingness goes on, or how much it frightens people. None of that is relevant. Yes, people are afraid of losing the things they have, that's a central theme of the series and is the reason why all the characters except one are trying to push you into linking the fire for them. The age of dark is a total reset button, tossing everything away for a new start. The intermittent period isn't even a factor, since everyone will be hollow during it. Kaathe even encourages you to use the dark hand to make people hollow when you talk to him.

>>168034612
Maybe?

I think it's just something that carried over from Bloodborne, but there wasn't much thought how that would actually work in the game.

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r8 my newbie knight

>>168033974
please delete this, the Painter is not for lewd

>>168034984
10/10 Because bastard sword

>>168034990
She gets lonely too you know?

>>168035083
she is only a child you degenerate

>>168034846
>and every world design choice
>Kaathe being found in a dark and spooky place and being snakey as fuck does not mean Frampt is suddenly trustworthy.

The leader of a group of skullfaced humanity stealers is just as trustworthy as a bumbling sleepy snake?
k

>>168034984
Bastard sword best sword

>>168035082
Right? This thing is sweet. Not only it looks gorgeous, it has an amazing weapon art.

>>168034984

Love the Bastard Sword.

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>>168034515
>>168033447
>chasm of the abyss is valley of drakes
>fallen pillar in chasm leads from oolacile to 4kings boss room
>new londo isn't actually accessible in the dlc at all

Then where the fuck is New Londo? I don't even know what's going on anymore.

>>168035219
A bumbling sleepy snake that seemingly has the power to hollow people who displease it at will?
Remember what happened to the Crestfallen?

what are the odds that giving the Dark Soul to Gael unlocks a 4th ending?

>>168035185
She's many cycles old and uses archaic speech, so it's okay. Please don't neglect and discriminate against her only because of her body type.

>>168035185
You can tell a person age by their feet

She has granny feet

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>As we see here, the young cleric is unsure of his status in life, and has taken a defensive pose against predators.

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>>168035375
lol oh man you should make youtube videos

>>168035219
>The leader of a group of skullfaced humanity stealers is just as trustworthy as a bumbling sleepy snake?
No, dipshit. The bumbling sleepy snake is just as untrustworthy as the sneaky snake. There's a difference.

You keep trying to pretend I'm saying Kaathe is trustworthy, with the unspoken implication that Frampt himself is trustworthy. If you aren't going to argue with honesty, then just fuck off already.

>>168035323
Oolacile/Valley of Drakes was changed over time as the Abyss retreated and shit got fucked up, so it's not exactly a 1:1 match, but the basic geography is still there

>where is New Londo
still on top of the Abyss, they didn't let you access it because they wanted to focus on Oolacile

>>168035564
New Londo should still be visible from that location, though. In fact, now that I think about it, it should still be visible from within the Chasm of the Abyss. Four Kings' boss room and Manus' boss room are in the same location, and you have to drop down from the same height to reach both. You should be able to see New Londo from that point, but it isn't there.

Alvina also says outright that the legend of Artorias was a lie. It never happened. Artorias' real equipment and weapons talk about how he met his end in the Abyss of Oolacile. So, he didn't fight the Darkwraiths either.

>>168035545
>No, dipshit. The bumbling sleepy snake is just as untrustworthy as the sneaky snake. There's a difference.

that's basically the same statement. You have no reason not to trust Frampt
Why is Frampt not trustworthy? only because of the shit Kaathe says!

>If you aren't going to argue with honesty
it's not my fault you're retarded

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>>168035375
Not the anon you are replying to but this wasnt directly stated in game, if anything it was implied and not even really that since you find him in new londo which is the opposite direction of frampt. What you are doing right now is speculating, which you yourself deemed forbidden if you are the poster who had this huge argument with the other poster.

>>168035790
New Londo is built inside of a cave, you can't see shit about it from the outside, and in the past Valley of Drakes was a cave system with a roof so good luck trying to look up and see New Londo through solid rock

>>168034831
so Aldritch wants the world covered in humanity dregs?

>>168032235
try splitting between him and his clone when he summons it, with unlocked camera a little above you so you can see both

if you allow him to keep his clone by his side (like he summons it and wants it to be) you're gonna have a real bad time

>>168035790
>Artorias' real equipment and weapons talk about how he met his end in Oolacile so he couldn't have fought Darkwraiths
unless he was fighting Darkwraiths before getting redirected to Oolacile

Also, Alvina is lying to you
>The legend of Artorias art none but a fabrication.
>… Traversing the dark? 'Tis but a fairy tale. -- referring to the Abysswalker Covenant ring that legitimately functions
she's bullshitting you to keep you away from his grave, don't trust a word of it

>>168035813
>You have no reason not to trust Frampt
That is an entirely different statement. The truth is that you don't have any reason to trust Frampt, and as I said already Frampt's own statements do not add up with the reality presented in-game. Kaathe simply points out inconsistencies before you get to the point where Frampt's own story starts to fall apart.

>it's not my fault you're retarded
So that's it, then? Your speculation couldn't hold up, so now you're trying to pretend like you were just pretending all along.

>>168031537

Do we need more?

He's pretty much full out, other than perhaps how he was in the Painted World in the first place.

>>168035876
I'm not, I'm just butting in because Anon is trying to argue that somehow Frampt is the utterly trustworthy figure while the game spends multiple item descriptions screaming at you about how snakes are shifty as all hell.

Hell, Kaathe and Frampt are even identical characters.

>>168035937
he wants the Age of Dark to come and the fire to die, a side effect of which is Humanity being dominant (Age of the Deep)

>>168030353
Faith

>>168036101
>Frampt's own statements do not add up with the reality presented in-game
example? You say Frampt is just as untrustworthy as Kaathe but haven't provided any evidence at all.

>So that's it, then? Your speculation couldn't hold up, so now you're trying to pretend like you were just pretending all along.
sorry anon, you called me bad names so I called you bad names back, you're right though....I should be better than you.

>>168035928
New Londo's cave is full of holes and has a giant door, with the biggest hole being directly below it leading into the hole you jump into. It should be visible from the outside, if not from the entrance to Manus' room. It should be there, but it isn't. The only thing in and around where New Londo ought to be is pitch black darkness. You can stand at the entrance of the Chasm and look over to where New Londo ought to be, and there's only nothing. Not even a wall, actually.

>>168036052
If Artorias had that ring in his possession, he wouldn't have been killed by the Abyss. It would've allowed him to walk through it. The only evidence for Alvina lying is if New Londo actually does exist in AotA, except as above there's no way to see it at all, even when there aren't any walls that would otherwise obstruct your vision.

>>168032235
If you're melee, use a bundle/resin against the clone.

>>168036440
>If Artorias had that ring in his possession, he wouldn't have been killed by the Abyss.
Artorias died by getting his shit slapped in by Manus and/or the humanity sprites in the Chasm of the Abyss. Go ahead and but the Covenant of Artorias on and see if it makes you immune to them

>Let the Fire Keeper take the flame

Why is this the good ending of DS3?

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I heard that stuff like SO and deep protection apparently suck in PvP and the damage bonus is different, can someone elaborate on that a bit, please?
What about the sun sword WA? Power Within? yeah i know it's still shit, but I'm interested in damage-amplification part of the spell here. RTSR/Morion Blade?

>can't kill darkbeast even on the 20lvl anymore because das3 made me too casual
Suffering

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>the spiked club has a faster version of the great club R2

how did I not know this

>>168036408
>example?
EVERY LINE OF DIALOGUE

Frampt's dialogue
Gwynevere's dialogue (can't blame you for glossing over that with her massive boobs right there, though)
Together, they paint a picture of you ruling over a kingdom in a glorious new age with Gwynevere at your side. The actual truth is that you're burning forever in the kiln just like Gwyn did, becoming a "king" posthumously.

I cannot believe a person managed to miss all of that. I've been here since Dark Souls 1 and you really are the first person I've seen to miss it. Which is why I don't believe you at all.

>>168036621
Use Beast Pellet + Fire Paper.

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I'm going to post this here, because this retard is clearly a 4channer.

>Playing my basic, casual priestess build in DaS 2.
>Get summoned via Blue Knight.
>Another casual getting invaded by a fag-tron twink mage at McDuff's.
>We slowly destroy his ass because I can heal myself with miracles the few times his spells hit.
>At 10% health, turns on Cheat Engine and Touhou's us.
>Adds me, calls me "ganker filth".
>Genuinely butt-blasted. I'm just laffin'.
>De-friends me before I could attempt to explore the logical fallacies of a Cheat Engine Sorcerer Twink invading people trying to craft - but calling an Apostle summon "ganker".

Now I've seen everything.
Is this what teens these days think constitutes trolling? Pretending to be retarded?

Even if that guy doesn't read this, I know some of you ARE actually this retarded, so...

>>168034230
Ds3 lightning spears are pretty good though.

>>168036670
>EVERY LINE OF DIALOGUE

just need one example anon, It's not hard

>>168036560
Linking has grown horribly inefficient, and the world has grown into a gigantic garbage fire almost completely incapable of sustaining life.

And you have to be mad to think that shackling the First Flame to the Dark Soul when the Dark has a distressing tendency to run rampant and swallow cities while vomitting abominations all over the place is a good thing.

>>168036558
>Artorias died by getting his shit slapped in by Manus and/or the humanity sprites in the Chasm of the Abyss
Speculation. His armor claims he met his end in the Abyss, and his sword claims that he was swallowed by the Abyss. These are things that ring should've been able to prevent.

Alvina is only lying if New Londo did in fact exist back then, despite it being apparently invisible from locations where it should be visible. New Londo is actually really big, even if you can't explore most of it since it's all underwater and doesn't have collision boxes.

>>168036440
are you seriously complaining that you can't see through the darkness of the Abyss like it was air? If you're standing on the long fallen pillar bridge in the Chasm of the Abyss, if you were to look left and up, that would be the giant door to New Londo. However, you can't see it because the Abyss is in the way. It's the Abyss, it's opaque. Go ahead and look up from the 4Kings arena and see if you can spot New Londo from inside the Abyss. Protip: you can't.

>>168036670
>glorious new age with Gwynevere at your side.
What? now you're just straight up lying

>>168036593
Thank you Archdrake

>>168036756
>"4channer"
>unironically using ellipses
Guy might be a faggot, but you should fuck off back to r/darksouls or whatever shithole you came from.

>>168036756
>4channer

You have to go back

>>168036593
>I heard that stuff like SO and deep protection apparently suck in PvP and the damage bonus is different
Body buff bonuses are halved in PvP. Penalties are not.

Sunlight Straight Sword is halved, Power Within is halved, not sure about Morion/RTS.

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>>168036976
>>168036981
>muh sekrit club

Ok, so what terminology should I use?
/dsg/ fag?
/v/irgin?

Or are you still living in 2007 and
>we don't talk about 4chan

>>168037023
Yet weapon buffs are the same? For what purpose?

>>168037023
Really wish that wasn't the case. Dark clutch would be great for dark builds, covering every casting class as long as it deals dark damage.

>>168036889
>His armor claims he met his end in the Abyss
yeah, he met his end fighting monsters in the Abyss, his shield arm is physically broken for a reason, he was wounded in combat and got infected. The Abysswalker ring doesn't make you LITERALLY INVINCIBLE against the attacks of Abyssal opponents, holy shit

>>168034230
In DS3 you can reach like 2k damage output with a single sunlight spear and that's on top of gnaw miracles and stake all of which are better than overnerfed DS2 miracles.

>>168036785
The one example is that Frampt never elaborates on what "becoming king" truly means. He lies by omission, same as Kaathe does. They are equally untrustworthy by virtue of doing the same thing to manipulate you in the same way, even if their end goals are different.

>give me an example where frampt lies
Do you not know what lying by omission is? Give me one example where Kaathe lies. If nothing he tells you is untrue, then surely he's perfectly trustworthy. Appearances can be deceiving, you know.

See? I can do it, too.

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>>168036641
I wonder how good this is for roll catching

I wish some axes had this moveset.

>>168036926
>Go ahead and look up from the 4Kings arena
I wasn't talking about being in the 4kings arena, I was talking about being above it at the part where you drop down, same elevation as the drop into Manus' arena.

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>>168037192
>Tfw 2680 damage against a corvian knight with sunlight spear
This is insane.

>>168037130
Noone who frequents this shithole says "4channer". It's a hallmark of an outsider, hence why people will always ridicule your for using it. Go ahead and try it on other boards if you dont believe me.
>Ok, so what terminology should I use? /dsg/ fag? /v/irgin?
The most common term you see is simply "anon".

How do I actually level up a pyromancer?
I knwo the end stats but have no idea how to build casters in DS3.
It's just for PVE. I'm going 30/30 int/faith, base str/dex.

>>168037130
I'm not the one who gets annoyed enough at fighting a shitter that he has to post about it here.

>explore the logical fallacies
>actually arguing with someone you fought in souls

Just call him a faggot and be done with it.

>>168037385
Thunder is super effective against Flying

Can anybody post that banner description that mentions Gwyn and the Ringed City ? It's not in the Vaati pastebin.

>>168037337
Manus' arena has the same inky black sky as the 4kings arena, you're not seeing shit from it, and what's more is that it's flanked by solid rock so you can't see anything above it from "outside" the arena

also, the 4kings drop is way bigger than the manus drop

>>168036889

The ring allows you to traverse it. It doesn't stop monsters from fucking you in the ass.

>going through Irythill dungeon when I get invaded by a mad spirit
>fucker starts running away to hide when he's losing
>actually goes into one of those cells with the golum-like enemies

I mean, by this point in the game, they should be aware of the seed, right?

>>168037130

Holy shit your entire post is crafted out of pure meme. Please stop, you're not cool.

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>>168037507
Here you go.

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anyone up for some ng+ hell? in road of sacrifices right now, ps4

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>the shieldless ones keep aggressively moving on you and dodging back when you try to hit them
>have a literal 6-swing combo that can cut through your HP like butter
>their vertical spin attack can chain up to 4 times
>the only way you're going to prevent them from pulling these chain combos is by trying to dodge behind them, but then they just do their leap away to keep you from hitting them

>the ones with shields just sit back and spam Affinity at you, never approaching you to attack and goading you to run at them and falling into ambushes

I never realized just how assholish these guys were until I tried fighting them without a shield. Guess it doesn't help that I'm doing this at SL36 either.

>>168037237
I'm convinced! Dark Souls is a simple and straightforward story. no speculation needed!

thank you anon

>>168037163
Who said it makes you literally invincible to attacks? All I said is that Arty's sword claims the abyss swallowed him, which that ring should've prevented if he had it. We should've found a bruised and battered corpse in the abyss, not a thoroughly corrupted guy walking around leaking dark everywhere.

>>168038167
But that is simple and straightforward. The game actually shows you how they're lying. What's not simple about that?

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>>168038053
>also covered by fire witches
The space between the beginning of irithyll and church rapes most hosts i'm invading.

>>168037950
Thanks, anon, I'll save it this time.
>Gwyn's youngest daughter
Knew there was some shittery going on since the DaS3 Sun Princess Ring calls Gwynevere "eldest daughter of Gwyn" (impliying there's more than one daughter), unlike DaS1 where she was simply called "daughter of Lord Gywn".

>>168038053
The first part of Irithyll is absolutely horrible, I just sprint past everything directly to the Church of Yorshka

>>168038321
>What's not simple about that?
I'd answer but it'd be speculation on my part!

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>>168038674
>he's been reduced to memeing

>>168038053
Parrying works well against them

>>168038797
He's gone hollow, the poor lad

>>168038843
> dmb twinblade player from the moon
is there anything more horrifying

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>>168032235
>tfw my great chaos fire orbs killed his clones whenever they spawned

What was the go-to talisman again? Canvas?

>>168038184
all the ring does is make it so that walking on the Abyss doesn't instantly kill you. it doesn't prevent corruption or injury if you get fucked up by monsters. Artorias got Abyss shoved directly up his asshole in combat with something, left his shield behind with a wounded Sif, and retreated while being consumed by the Abyss that had been planted facehugger-style within him

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>>168037701
This is a very ironic post.

>Look how cool I am by deciding what is or isn't cool.

Do you seriously think I give a fuck if you think I'm cool?
You fucking 4channers.
:)

The shit some of you decide to take offense to is asinine at best.

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How useful is Fire Surge in PVP?
What pyromancy combos do you use?

>>168039306 y

>>168039613

Fedora as hell.

>>168039660
Whoa wait.

Whips are viable?

>>168039660
A pyromancy build looks like it's much more fun than magic. All the fire based boss weapons don't really help either.

>>168039804
That WA is pretty easy to dodge once you get the timing right and the rest of the moveset is pretty arse aside from the rolling r1.

>>168039660
Fire Surge is great for when an enemy has a sliver of health left and is being a little slippery.

Controversial, souls would overall be way better games without invasions. They obviously don't want to expand on the ideas set by DS1 and to a lesser extend DeS with how watered down invasions are in 2/3 and they actively make the games worse because of it.

So many previously viable things for PVE are nerfed into the ground because it becomes the invader meme meta, people get upset about dying in a video game and FROM are too lazy/incompetent to just have two versions of abilities for pve/pvp.

Many of the things that make people dislike DS2 gameplay (weak rolls, shit backstabs, the general slower pace, soul memory) are direct responses to the invader meta in DS1 to make it "more balanced". Likewise faith in 1, hex and faith in 2 and sorcery in 3 are spell schools/builds that cast all of 2 spells over and over because the rest have been nerfed into worthlessness and you only have those two that are effective.

The games are actively being made less enjoyable/replayable (because nobody wants to use stuff that feels weak and shitty unless the game is so easy you can get away with it, something souls clearly isn't) all because of a side-game with awful netcode for people that either can't or won't play a proper competitive game.

Now please spam me with gitgud memes, I dare you.

>>168035876
>HRAAAOGGH
man I always forget about his weird as fuck eating noise. Was it the voice actor himself making that noise?

What was the trick to being summoned as a blue/dorkmoon again?

>>168040334
Counter point: BB and DeS hadn't this issue because From doesn't care as much as you think they do about PvP.
From doesn't care to pander to PvP as much as people think they do, without Namco's influence

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>tfw no Fume Knight armor in Dark Souls 3

They brought over so many things from DaS 2, but not this.

>>168040862
who?

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>>168040334
No, you're right. Yet if DS1 did anything bad, its unbalanced weapons and how infusion becomes worthless over time. At least in DS2 everything was viable in some way, like Mundane Ladle. There's always gonna be metamemers who google "[game here] best weapon". You can't stop that.

I mean a good portion of dark 2 hate is because its not as fast, and you can't be an invincible naked zombo who just rolls through everything. "how dare they Nerf my invincible tactic into a separate stat!"

While I love Dark 1 to death, Dark 2 added and improved quite a few things. To neglect that would be retarded. Both have their faults. This is what makes the games great. They're not perfectz and they're made with affection.

I completely forgot the point I was making I haven't slept in two days.

>>168040334
I mostly agree with you, though I think there's nothing really wrong with simply having invasions but never balancing the game around pvp in the first place.

Absolutely no arena shit, at best there is a covenant dedicated to it and items to facilitate easy access to invading for the people that want to do it.

>>168040862
>fume straight sword returns in trc
>it's uninfusable

>>168040829
DeS had the Red Eye Stone, didn't it? The only conceivable purpose for that thing was to allow duels.

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>great shield user just fucking constantly circling me
I eventually trapped him in a corner and it was funny to watch him panic. Still lost though.

>>168040862
>another armor set that makes your character skinny no matter what
Fuck that nonsense, DaS3 is already full that shit, ruining otherwise nice looking armor.

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anyone wanna gank spooky skeleton? personal computer pass dsg

>>168041217
it's to fight for souls

>>168041093
agility was an ok to good idea ruined by execution, like a lot of the changes DS2 has

first of all, they needed to drop the bullshit and tell you "this is the stat that makes your roll better", but DS2 was in peak WELCOME TO DARK SOULS LE HARDCOREST GAME marketing bullshit so I get why they didn't.

The other issue with agility/DS2 rolling is that you have the same i-frames regardless of how much weight you have till 70%. now granted DS3 also has this and also doesn't restrict your distance to lower equip load but DS2 introduced the idea of being able to have high i-frames while wearing heavy armor without the busted DS1 havel ring AND ds2 makes you waste points on a stat just to do something you could do by default in 1/3.

I can't defend it.

>>168041093
They had a bunch of good ideas, but tying iframes to a separate stat instead of doing something sensible like tying it to equip load was a huge problem. Roll speed/distance was determined by equip load, roll iframes determined by Adaptability? The stat that determines iframes also determines item use and estus chug speed? Magic builds could get all the benefits of high Adaptability without needing to spend a single point into it, but melee builds couldn't? That wasn't a good idea at all.

I don't think rolls themselves need a nerf IMO, I think your ability to spam them should be nerfed. Just make them cost progressively more stamina if you roll too frequently, like x2 cost for every roll within one second of the previous one.

>>168040862
>equipping FUGS in the right hand, and Fume Sword in the left
One fucking job.

>>168041507
>tfw ps4 has tons of activity but a non-existant deesgee community

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>>168041507
>Not ps4
>tfw will never be summoned to help /dsg/

>>168041590
That's still a duel, even if there's a reward on the table for doing it.

>>168041737
ok

>>168041217
I'm talking about patches. DeS and BB never had patches breaking the games apart like the other 3 games. Hardly anything was ever nerfed

>>168041631
See now this is a good idea. Make rolling be punishable for those who spam it.

>>168041507
cuming

>>168041507
Sign down in front of the door.

>>168041712
>>168041727
kinda weird

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Why is Vitality a stat at all? Why not have Endurance determine armor equip load and Strength determine weapon equip load? Why this convoluted mess about having a whole separate stat to determine carrying capacity which just fucks over Strength builds who need it the most?

My big strong man should be strong enough to carry his weapons by virtue of being strong, dammit.

>>168040829
The point you're making I guess is that namco makes them nerf stuff? Even if that's true it's irrelevant because the games are published/partially owned by namco so they should've still removed invasions.

I'd also argue that DeS and BB are unfair comparisons because DeS only received 3 patches and BB has a lot less stuff than a "proper" souls game and has different mechanics so everything is naturally more balanced against eachother than a souls game which has a bit of a "lets just put this in without really thinking about it" approach to adding stuff

>>168041631
that seems like it would be a smart way to penalize panic rolling

>>168041929
>>168042005
kay

try placing sign again naruto something went wrong

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>>168041727
>rawass tod slutwear
I would rather summon some random retard in full fallen knight with farron memesword.

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>>168042152
Panic rolling is a mistake that should be punished. Rolling should be about timing, it shouldn't be a button you press for "oops i fucked up better mash my escape clause".

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>get summoned as grape at pontiff's
>help host fend off invader, 2v1
>second invader comes so now 2v2
>kill the host as soon as his health is low
Wew, grapes are fun.

>>168042316
>>168042152
Ignore me, I didn't read your post correctly

>>168042306
Maiden Set is slutwear? I'm only using ToD to solo shit really, as I have 10 VIG. I don't really feel right going full summoner class with this character, but I want to be very miracle oriented.

>>168042365
Good job, don't forget your spork.

>>168042103
>Why is Vitality a stat at all?
Because in dark souls 1 PVP endurance was the god stat so they had to make it a shitty point sink in order to have both high equip and lots of stamina, see >>168040334

>>168042468
>Maiden Set is slutwear?
Your character looks like a boy, so yes.

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>>168042485
Okay, fine. Weapon equip load should be a separate stat that's determined by Strength.

>>168030030
Not if you kill Emma first

>>168042365
>get summoned as grape
why do people do this? there are always white phantom signs around and failing that you can just slap on WoB, people who aren't a coiflip on if they'll kill you or not.

It's not like people can even summon one on accident, since the game goes ARE YOU SURE YOU WANNA SUMMON THIS PHANTOM?? to make sure johnny Q casual doesn't get owned.

mound makers are genuinely the worst covenant in the whole series because they don't work, there's ZERO reason to summon one. At least way of white had some benefit even if it was just something other covenants also did.

Pyromancy or hexes for DS2?
More fun?
More viable?
Quicker to build?

>>168042585
Isn't that for the best? Are you saying that boys can't be pretty?

>>168042140
BB isn't properly balanced at all, I don't see what you're trying to imply, it has a fuckton of flaws for PvP, but they never fixed because they don't want to, and that's good.
The thing is, BB's patches never ruined something from PvE because PvP was an issue. Why? Because invasions and PvP existing and not being properly balanced isn't something From is concerned about. They only do so because the publisher is forcing them to.

If they removed invasions, the Namco games wouldn't have so many nerfs. However, if we removed Namco from the equation, the games would still have invasions without PvP affecting PvE balance in a bad way.

>>168042685
>blueboi
It all makes sense now.

>>168042747
I think all the unbalanced shit makes the PvP more fun. I never see the same build twice unless I run into the same person twice, and that's awesome.

>>168042747
If that's the case, why is namco such horrible cancer?

>>168042675
there's no reason to not use both, 30/30 or 40/40 (the general hexer build points) are also pyro builds because as a nerf to DS1 twink pyro builds they made it scale off combined int/faith for some reason (while dark is lowest of int or faith)

it gives you an alternate element and some extra angles to shoot stuff at, dark pyro is basically the only good Ds2 build because it does everything and is the only one with satisfying animations.

As for quicker to build you can get hexes faster than you can get pyro but only marginally unless you do a specific kinda cheesy thing

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thanks nerds

>>168042880
Because you were dumb enough to never have played a Namco published game before?

>>168031940
Where does it say Aldrich destroyed Astora?

>>168042747
I'll admit I don't know the meta for BB very well, my main point of that post was more "blaming namco doesn't matter because they're the ones tied to the souls series" so saying "actually souls wouldn't be any worse without invasions" is still correct because namco + invasions = shitty nerfs.

>>168042880
Publishers are always horrible cancer. First and second party developers don't have to worry about publishers because the platform they develop for can get away with "exclusive!" to do the promoting for them. Third party developers need to rely on hyping the game itself instead of letting the system sell for them.

Publishers hype a game by presenting it however they think will make it appeal to the most people. This, of course, results in the lowest common denominator flooding the game.

>>168042675
I have a similar question, for a hex build does infusion+buff on a regular weapon or a specific dark/fire scaling weapon do more damage?

>>168043070
Except for the fact Namco isn't tied to the souls styled games that From makes

>>168043070
invasions are more valuable to the game than your replaying the game with every faggy weapon that is the same thing as another weapon

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The only smart motherfucker in this series.

If TRC doesn't reference him i'll be ten kinds of mad.

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Was buffing dark hand a mistake?

>>168043191
Depends on the weapon. All weapons have different values for how well they perform while infused and how well they react to buffs. For instance, the Fume Sword has a very low modifier for buffs and infusions and actually performs better on a Dexterity build with Dark Pine Resin than it does on a hexer build infused and buffed, whereas the Sacred Chime Hammer is way better infused and buffed than uninfused and resined.

Don't try to make sense of it, just dork around in the stat screen until you find the best combination.

>>168043352
Aldiafags are the kind of people who would constantly look for loopholes in "would you rather" questions.

>>168043232
Which consist of a dead game and a game that's only kind of souls but not entirely, so when I'm talking about the souls games that ALREADY exist it's pointless.

namco is a shitty company but you're pointlessly scapegoating.

>>168043279
Yeah you make a fair point, there's nothing wrong with entire types of builds being unfun garbage because at one point years ago it made people cry in the lagfest online that is invasions.

invasions + non nerfed PVE (or just fucking giving things different stats for PVP) would've been way better than actively making the game worse for everyone that plays it because of the actions of some people that play it.

>>168043030
Anri and Horace's stuff

Astora was pillaged for sacrifices

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>>168043451
>this accurately summarizes all of the player's interactions with Aldia

Well I never.

>>168043451
>Would you rather get a dick in the ass or throatfucked.

Great choice there.
Aldia saw that it was all bullshit and actually found a way to make fate his bitch.

>>168043352
Dark Souls 2 is not canon, bra.

>>168043545

You're reminding me of pre patch DaSII and how fun it was to dual wield Avelyns and Greataxes. I miss that so much.

>>168042671
I assume he either wanted to fight me, or wanted the coin flip.

>>168043406
do buffs even show up on the stats screen?

this also essentially means that you have to just not upgrade anything until you have everything, because having something at +1-3 could make the numbers for weapon A look better when actually weapon B is better at +10

not to mention that getting dark stones for infusions is a pain in the ass, they're basically demanding that you just CE yourself 99 of the things/titanite.

>>168043609
Aldia never succeeded in breaking the cycle. He tried, but the existence of Dark Souls 3 means he failed.

>>168043614
I swear I'm about to filter the word canon. These mouthbreathers saying the second entry of the series never happened despite all the evidence in 3 saying it did are just getting too absurd.

fuck the grand archives
seriously fuck it
those little fucking munchkins all over swarming and staggering you while you're shot at with fireballs and crystal spears makes me headbutt my display

>>168043790
Aldia is possibly behind the idea of the Bell of Awakening in DaS3

>SL120
>have to go to 125 with yorel to get the "all gestures", "all miracles", and his ending achievements
help me lads
will i lose much activity by going SL125?

>>168043352
His theme is best one in the series for me tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8WXoKrqIi0

>>168043790
>Aldia never succeeded in breaking the cycle. He tried, but the existence of Dark Souls 3 means he failed.
Not saying that. I'm saying that he found a way to get himself out of the grand scheme.

>>168043609
>Aldia saw that it was all bullshit and actually found a way to make fate his bitch

I thought he fucked up in that regard.
He says so himself:
>I sought to shed the yoke of fate, but failed.
>Now, I only await an answer.

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>>168043790
>second entry of the series never happened despite all the evidence in 3 saying it did are just getting too absurd.

It's not at all a surprise considering the hyperbolic autistic screeching people get into about DaS2 being the worst thing ever created even to this day.

>>168043726
>do buffs even show up on the stats screen?
Yes.

>this also essentially means that you have to just not upgrade anything until you have everything
Not really, it just means you shouldn't infuse anything until you can afford to experiment. The numbers aren't false outside AR's usual shenanigans.

>>168043869
>Aldia is possibly behind the idea of the Bell of Awakening in DaS3
From what alien, otherworldly data did you pull that conclusion from?

>>168042586
>somebody drew them in a picture together where Velstadt isn't battered
>implying Raime wouldn't put the bell in his asshole and use him as one giant human chime
Lad...

>pop a random reed sign in carthus
>dueling the host on the bridge
>didnt see his talisman, throws me off with force
>he summons me again
>tries to go for the same shit
>pop perseverance and push him off

>>168043869
>Bell of Awakening
But those were in the first game too right?
Besides, the ashen ones have an explanation that is not even remotely connected to aldia.

>>168044026
Velstadt kicked the shit out of Raime though, that's why he fucked off and became a rebel.

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>Doing an SL1 run of DS3
>Wearing Dorkmoon because there's no point in wearing anything else outside of the high wall
>Get my second summon in 15 hours on this character
>Killed in one hit by a great machete as soon as I spawn

>>168043891
You'll be fine. Compare summon ranges with a SL calculator online if it bothers you so much.

>>168043953
DS2 hate is hyperbolic but its hard not to be when you can't go 5 seconds without another "why did this get shipped this way" mechanic/element/game feature popping up taking you out of actually playing the game.

the game is full of things that make you go "but if they just did *very simple tweak* this would make way more sense/be less annoyng" and the fact that they didn't is very confusing, the last emotion you want to have when playing a game.

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>>168043894
>tfw putting down your sign and fighting throne defenders, nashandra and aldia in a row

Getting your host through all of that was great.

>>168044164
maybe i'll try it then
some more vitality would be nice

Which ending to Dark Souls 3 is the best for the state of the world?
Also, aside from explaining how the painted world works, how does Ashes of Ariandel connect to the main storyline?

>>168044650
le firekeeper dark ending

>>168044650
The ending where the Firekeeper takes the flame.
It really doesn't, although it does show that Londor is full of assholes which we already knew.

>>168044650
>Which ending to Dark Souls 3 is the best for the state of the world?
Nothing tbqh.
Link ending is utterly pointless because the flame is too weak.
End of Fire ending is arguably the better one since it means that it's coming to a natural end but everything will be repeated again.
Usurpation has you doing snek bidding.

Just be a greedy jackass and take the first flame for yourself..

>>168040334
Fucking this. PvP fags ruined this series.

>>168044650
>Which ending to Dark Souls 3 is the best for the state of the world?

Usurpation.

>how does Ashes of Ariandel connect to the main storyline?

Superficially. It's pretty much just a vehicle for pay2win weapons.

>floor in Alonne's boss room reflects everything including the player
>floor in the Pontiff fight doesn't

T-Technology.

>try something other than a strength build
>hate my life

>>168044650
There is no good state for the world. In all three games, the message is that the world is fucked, you can only put it off.

As for Ashes, it really doesn't. It's actually a bit weird, since all the other DLCs had much deeper connections to their respective game's base story, but Ashes of Ariandel is mostly separate from from DS3, outside Friede.

Though rumor was that Ashes was meant to connect to Ringed City and be one big DLC, like Old Hunters, but was cut in half.

>>168044650
>Which ending to Dark Souls 3 is the best for the state of the world?
Can't really say for sure. If what the firekeeper says during the end the fire ending is true then I think that's the best one in the long term.

>Also, aside from explaining how the painted world works, how does Ashes of Ariandel connect to the main storyline?
It doesn't really connect at all to the goal of the ashen one. All it does is provide some background lore on the origin of some characters and creatures. Though it does set up the storyline that apparently will be resolved in the ringed city.

What are the chances TRC adds a new ending?

>>168044650
>Which ending to Dark Souls 3 is the best for the state of the world?
left to personal interpretation due to lack of information on "what if" situations

>how does Ashes of Ariandel connect to the main storyline?
Depends how the 2nd DLC will connect Gael and the painter to the main story

>>168044650

Basically they all are shit because since it continues the dark souls trend of endings meaning jack shit in the long run.

>>168045040
>Cutting content
Armored core V better be fucking amazing.

>>168045032
>strength build
As far a I know there are no melee builds ouside of quality with refined weapons

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do I need the pendant?

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>>168045032
>he doesn't enjoy Pyromancy

>>168044968
PCfags ruined the series