/domg/ Dominions General

>>167437525

First for Aboleth Traps

Once again you fucks let it die.

ERMOR GAME

I let it die, and I'm about to stale in all my games.

And there's nothing you can do to stop me.

>>167439505
There's a guy in the only game I'm still in that always takes his turn within the last 30 minutes (on a 48hr turn timer). Every time I hope he misses and stales, the fucker.

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>Last thread people discussing whether Yomi was underpowered or not
>People who says its fine but don't say why

Okay then, sell me on this nation
How does it compare to similar nations like Niefl and Lanka?
How is it supposed to be played?

A brief look into the inspector tells me it should go awake full scales pretender since it doesn't have any decent sacred troops
Then supporting with evocations & skeletons using its many fire, earth, and death mages

>>167440135
Skelly spam backed by a hundred flaming-arrows undisciplined goburins

>>167440135
Dai Oni lite SCs

Skellyspam

Flaming Arrows

>>167440135
Yomi has a strangely high winrate on s1w's charts, though the leading theory I've heard on that is that it may be a nation that attracts more experienced players

At a glance, I see:
-cap-only thug/SC-capable Dai Oni. It's not flawless but they never are.
-Relatively cheap heavily armoured skelespammers
-(somewhat expensive) flaming arrows with very cheap archers.
-Ability to convert gems into flying sacreds, even if they're not that particularly strong.
-Potential access to things like fog warriors and rain of stones, with boosters.

They look pretty diverse actually, I think the bigger problem is that they're EXPENSIVE. Not the best, not the worst. I'd say they're an average nation.

>>167441404
Forgot to note Bane Fire, which they again can access at the probably steep cost of a booster per mage.

>>167441404
Shikomi too

>tfw someone gets Buer the same turn I get Pazuzu
>I already had 40 air gems saved up

It feels like winning, but the game keeps going.

I've got this weird problem where my turns are coming in and being received normally but the llamaserver page isn't updating. It still says that we're on turn 15 for me even though we're playing beyond that with no problems. It isn't a big deal but I can't see who still has to send their turns in.

>>167450240
Had the same problem, I just mashed F5 for a bit and it fixed itself.

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i keeping looking at CoE and keep thinking it looks awesome, but domg always says it shit. why exactly is that? all i've heard is that "it had potential" or something

>>167453379
Imagine if every province you owned in Dominions was attacked by indies of varying strength every turn, PD doesn't exist, it sometimes takes multiple turns to move to adjacent provinces, mage scripting is massively reduced, and you can't set your own formations at all ever. That's early game CoE and it gets worse as it gets better.

Also you have shit for income and your mages only show up as recruit options like 10% of the time at best, and if you don't have the money to recruit them then, you're out of luck for now.

>>167439918

I'm doing it again today. Eat my shorts.

gauls

we apologize but the romans told us to attack you and we will pretty much do anything if you say our name three times

trade and taint when?

>>167456724

Ulm my darling, Ulm my darling, Ulm my darling kill the swine.

>>167456724
>imma move my armies down and away from nicknight on Vanheim
>when I've ALREADY been elf'd once

What could possibly go wrong?

>>167453379
Basically your only control in combat is what to put in your army. There's no scripting like dominions - the most you can do is tell each mage to not cast a single type of spell (they'll decide themselves which to cast out of the 2-3 spells you didn't prevent them from casting)

It's really slow too. It takes multiple turns to get enough resources to recruit/summon anything early on, and see what >>167453567 said about movement and dealing with indies.

The reason why people say it has potential is that there are a bunch of things which would be really cool if the base gameplay was more fun. Hopefully some will make their way into dominions.

>Ys AI'd
Just know Ys that regardless of what happens you're the real winner in my eyes.
RIP UWbowl champion.

>>167440135
I play Yomi a lot. A big part of it is that, like MA C'tis, they get a lot of synergistic spells from 1 school (ench). Flaming arrows + horde of skellies + 7 gold shortbows can come online for the first war, unless you get rushed hard. And if you get rushed hard, oni's are actually fantastic troops in T3 and easily massable on demand, giving you a strong defense. Later on, you get ROS, which allows you to make up armies entirely composed of Dai Oni supercasters (who are immune to ROS), some supporting oni generals (almost immune) and some large, high health evo bait to draw gifts/nasty bows set to fire largest/other stuff away from your casters. These armies can be rescripted on the fly to do different roles (ie you can rescript some to thug rather than skellyspamming, or to throw down evos) if needed.
>>167440862
Please stop the Dai Oni lite SC's meme there is literally no better recruit-able thug/sc chassis.

>>167460723
I'd argue Fomorian Kings are better. Yes, in a straight up fight Dai Oni's have superior pathing, but the Kings are all A2 - and being able to choose your battles through ritual movement is a very valuable tool to have.

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>>167440135
>Going full scales
>On a nation with 2 strong recruitable sacred thugs
>And nearly all of its national summons also being sacred

>>167456853
Right after EA Rus and MA Ur

>>167460885
Kings are also better because there's no 'triple damage to kings' items

>>167460885
That's fair enough, actually. Ritual movement is pretty badass.
I've been playing around with the idea of an E6S6 fat guy titan (can't be fucked to look up the name) imprisoned with good scales. Nice little bless for your Dai Oni's, you can easily nab EBDW and Stellar focus, and you can also make use of teleporting golems later on.
Sadly no N9 means those golems aren't really going to be all that amazing as thugs though.

Though I just had an interesting idea; Stygian paths is magic movement, right? That could be an interesting spell, although right up at Thaum 8 it isn't nearly as practical as cloud trapeze or teleport.

>>167461604
Never really understood this. Yes, there's a wider variety of items that can fuck up a Dai Oni - but an anti-SC thug is going to kill a Fomorian King just as well - they simply use a duskdagger instead of a herald lance.

If anything the King is more vulnerable, as its not at least protected by Phoenix Pyre.

>>167461604
The existence of holy scourge doesn't make Tart SC's a joke.
I actually find that herald lance/demon bane has some problems against Dai Oni SC's. You want to fly in and get a first strike that instantly kills it, before it can complete its buff cycle (ESPECIALLY phoenix pyre). Funnily enough, one of the weaker and more often overlooked attributes of the dai oni can mess with this plan; the screen of d6 wolves summoned at start of battle can often distract the attacker and protect your oni for the first round allowing him to get phoenix pyre off.

>>167463403
>what is "attack largest"

Like, don't get me wrong I think arguing that the demonbane/herald lance etc as arguments for Dai Oni are silly, when duskdaggers do the same to Kings/Jarls - except better since they don't need to worry about potential turn0 phoenix pyre.

Melqarts don't deserve the title SC - ever. They lack the paths for it. They are notable however for being a recruitable thug on a nation with healers.

>>167462581
>>167463957
>duskdagger
The difference is that you can drop 5 gems on Holy Scourge or Demon Bane, give it to a human, and have him do very good damage per round.

An anti-SC thug is much more expensive than a random mounted commander with a cheap sword.

Theoretically, anyway. The math seems to check out, but I've never seen it done in practice, just heard about it.

>>167460723
Alternately, go heavy into Alt. Basically every level of it makes your Dai Oni better in combat, and you pick up Maws of the Earth eventually too. Armor of Achilles/Destruction/Iron Bane are amusing. It's slower to get off the ground than diving into Enchantment, but it's also viable. And it's not like you have to specialize, going 4 -> 5 in a school is the same cost as going 0 -> 4 in a different one so diversity is easy to do.

Casting Phoenix Pyre on this thread

>>167465417
Alt is always the second thing I go for, but yeah you could go for it first thing (especially if you went for a N9 bless rather than a boring traditional Ex). I love maws of the earth and, by extension, blood stones. I was fortunate enough to get a blood throne in my current yomi game and being able to earth power into maws into skelespam is lovely in the midgame. Massive AOE, high AP damage with no elemental type is fucking bliss.
Literally the only thing that makes me happier than maws is ironskinned fire elementals.

>>167460723
Sniffle Jarls

>>167467960
>he thinks nimble charles is as good as pie oni
listen here you little shit. phoenix pyre + summon earthpower + ironskin + soul vortex + innate fear + ethereal wounded shape
VS
quicken self + 20 extra HP (actually dai oni have 3 extra hp total because of wounded shape, but if you will regen slightly more hp) + cold aura + holy avenger (lmao).

only good thing about niffle jarl SC's is that you have solid sacred troops so your N9Ewhatever bless gets some extra use. Not that dai oni care because they still SC better even with just an Ewhatever bless.

>>167472241
>no soul vortex on niefel jarl
>holy avenger as a buff
I'd agree with you, but your analysis is shit.

>>167450358
That did it. Thanks.

Posting once again:

I am looking for a sub for two games

FourthTurning (Xibalba)
DriftKing (Niefelheim)

Both of these nations are in top notch shape, so it is not like the usual situation where you inherit a crumbling wreck of an empire. I simply don't have the time needed due to RL concerns.

>>167463403
Those wolves also make pretty good batteries for a soul vortex casting Dai Oni.

gibe muspelheim
the game needs more shit-eating giants and underpowered fire nations

>>167479753
>Abysia mixed with Niefelheim
Sounds both boring and weak.
Well, if an earlier-than-early age was ever added, Muspelheim would be a reasonable candidate.

>>167477027
You should probably note DriftKing is a newbie game. I doubt he's gonna let an experienced player in.

>>167480316
underpowered and uninteresting factions are the domain of true understanders, you just wouldn't get it

>>167479753
>more norse nations

no

How the hell do I play Man and Eriu?

>>167484305
You basically play Eriu like you would play TNN except you're even more shit at everything and can't actually win a game ever

>>167484447
Is it that bad? I just want to elf niggas man.

>>167484527
Eriu is LITERALLY just TNN with worse everything. They play exactly the same, just more shit.

They don't get anything new, they just get worse.

>>167484527
If you want MA elfing, Vanheim is your best choice.

Eriu really doesn't have anything going for them but thugs.

>>167485294
What can you expect if you play with/against MA Vanheim anyway?

>>167485938
EA Vanheim with Valkyries instead of Vanhere

>>167473378
All dai oni can cast it without needing a gem, but yeah that was intellectually dishonest of me.
the lmao is there for a reason.

>>167486241
Quickness is super good and the cold aura is underrated, since the cold aura on nipple jarls is fucking big

>>167485938
Elf thugs everywhere, as usual for an elf nation.

Non-sacred rec-anywhere vanhere when they actually need to fight.

Primarily air magic (tstrike, air elementals, storm) with some earth buffs on the side and maybe a bit of blood too.

>>167486241
>the lmao is there for a reason.
I'd add liquid body to niefel jarls if you want a more serious buff list. Dai Oni could take temper flesh too.

>>167486334
Quickness isn't quite as good when you have encumbrance, since it doubles the reinvig you need to stay neutral.

Cold aura is indeed very nice, but it's nothing compared to free extra lives from phoenix pyre.

>>167485220
>They don't get anything new
spies tho

>13:22 GMT on Thursday February 2nd Hosting delayed by 12 hours.
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>>167488381
The Superbowl is today so everyone should get an extension.

>>167488690
Man I watched the superbowl a couple years ago and it was shit. Yanks be talking hot mess about soccer or whatever but at least the players in a soccer match actually move for more than two seconds at a time.

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>>167437525
Play your turns niggers.

>And whoever was last and didn't take a double turn - pic related.

What tactic do you prefer, to feast on smaller players so that you may challenge the bigger player(s) in the endgame, or to try and take chunks from the big player before he can reach endgame status?

This is assuming you are a mid to top-3 player, but not the biggest fish in the pond

>>167490372
To live in peace :^)
>acro
>be expanding normally
>ur takes one province
>gets really close to my capital and stops
>"Fuck off monkeys"
>"no :^)"
>Conquer monkey men
the end. This is how most of my games turn out to play desu

Anyone wanna sub warhammer fantasy orcs in mod nation game? Turn 61 good change to test their toys and such

>>167490372
depends on nation and how much of a power gap there is between the rest of the game outside of the top 3

How do you play MA Vanarus? I mean they seem to have solid infantry, but their mages are all over the place.

>>167491207
F I R E B I R D S

>>167491263
>don't even have the paths to summon them

>>167491207
It's easy, you stomp early on and maybe rush a neighbour.
Then you lose to a nation with superior mages.

>>167491207

Its fairly simple and self explanatory.

Sages cast thunder strike since they get A2 7/12 and A3 1/12. They are your main battle mages.

Remaining mages are used mainly for research but you also get plenty of AE for RoS and EF for magma eruption (with shoes).

Your troops are excellent and just need to be massed.

Sy sounds like his hymen is fully intact.

>>167491852
This sounds rude as fuck.

i want to have sweet sweet anal sex with Sy.

>>167491852
>you'll never tear a Bride-in-Waiting's hymen

>>167492918
Good, virgins are pretty shit at sex desu, only good for blood spells.

>>167493006
This.

>>167493006

That's a non-sequitur my main man. One's proficiency at an activity can not be gauged without having actually carried out that activity. All those poor, innocent, and pure teenage girls you drugged up and sacrificed to Satan might have been sex machines.

>>167493006
>not appreciating an eager student
pleb

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>tfw still have the sprites and shit sitting around from my half-assed Dominions 4 Nation mod

>could probably shoehorn it into a functioning Class for Conquest of Elysium 4

What do?

hoburg nation when

>>167496205
>implying there hasn't been a hoburg nation as the default mod to be used as an example of how to mod since forever

>>167496154
Senpai, I recall you posting this 2 or more years ago. Just finish it already.

>>167496154
O fuk are these guys back

Don't settle for CoE4-shit. Then you'll feel maybe accomplished but nobody cares about CoE4 so it won't mean anything. At least maybe I'll play it if it's for Doms4.

>>167495912
> One's proficiency at an activity can not be gauged without having actually carried out that activity.

One's skill in a proficiency cannot increase without actually practicing that proficiency. You can't be great at something without actually doing it.

>All those poor, innocent, and pure teenage girls you drugged up and sacrificed to Satan might have been sex machines.

I'm sure they would have been with a proper instructor and given enough time. But who got time for that? They had their chance, they wasted it, now they're being used as bait for horrors while their slutty sisters lay in my bed.

>>167496471

/dfg/ is still probably angry with me for not finishing the mod I made with lamias and harpies too. I really should crank something out before this hard drive dies.

>>167496550

Well CoE4 is fairly simple and doesn't require a lot of effort since I already have the guys statted out and everything. It'd be as easy as making a Cabalist class and having you start as one of the red robed guys with a mastery ritual to upgrade to the red breasted robe guys.

The main time consumer in working on this mod is sprite work. Granted I'm lazy, and I just modify existing sprites, but I had some big plans about Sacred Anakhite Priests that surrendered to the Liabecians centuries beforehand and now perform Blood Sacrifices for the God of Liabec.

A CoE version would be much simpler and wouldn't require as many unique units.

>>167496154
The sprites is usually the most time consuming part, why dont you just finish it out if you have that much done?

>>167496467
mod nations have no legitimacy and anything that isnt the vanilla game is impure and defiled worse than the raptors

>>167496918
Only the worst sort of bastard would care this much about legitimacy

Mod nations are fun

Hey, I play Dominions 4 for the tightly balanced tournament environment, none of this "mod nation" doohickery that'll just throw out the supreme balance Dominions 4 is famous for, as ingeniously developed by Illfraud(TM)(R)(C)(patent pending)(OC, DS).

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>>167496867

As I mentioned in the post directly above, you are correct. Spriting is the main time consumer. #2 time consumer is actually ironing out a playstyle that is OP within the context of other nations. That is easier said than done considering Liabec are some fusion of Hinnom, Mictlan, and R'lyeh but different than all three in some ways.

For example, the spellbook already has Astral/Blood rituals that are generally horror related spells. Considering I wanted to make a Astral/Blood nation I decided this was a good place to work out their bread and butter abilities.

The idea is to give them fairly average infantry units for their time period and encouraging them to rely on horrors. When those Thrall Brand guys die they horror mark the unit that killed them. The more slaves the enemy army kills the easier it is to summon a bunch of horrors and watch them eviscerate the enemy. In my mind the erratic behavior of horrors more than makes up for their power.

Thing is, a nation should never be a gimmick. Liabec needs powerful units that can make up for their lack of heavy armor. Demonic hybrids are an Abysian thing so I'd rather not steal those. Sharing Void Summoning with R'lyeh is a little too easy. I thought about creating tiny Gore Tide Horrors that can be summoned like Elementals (I will recolor small water elementals) using slaves instead of gems.

So basically to answer your question it's because I want the Nation to have an identity and a place in the game instead of just being something I half assed and then shat out.

>>167497754

>#2 time consumer is actually ironing out a playstyle that is OP within the context of other nations.

I forgot a "not" that was supposed to go between "is" and "OP." Whoops.

>>167497754
What about half horror hybrids? No one has done that so far. Or guy that turn into horrors when killed or something.

>>167497754
>>167497984
Or a spell that turns guys into horrors if they get hit with it.

>>167497984

>What about half horror hybrids?

My first thought is "Do horrors reproduce?" That's an interesting thought though, especially combined with that second sentence. How about a Brand Thrall that has been tied more closely to Horrors than his peers? Think of him like a Horror Bomb. He looks like every other slave but when he dies, instead of the enemy being horror marked, he changes into a lesser horror as his second form.

That sounds like fun. The horror would need to despawn after the battle but it sounds like fun.

>>167458269
tyty, I didn't think anyone was even still playing besides Lukas

>>167498247
Horror Seed sends a horror that can infect people with parasitic horrors and turn them into horrors so its probably not that far fetched.

>>167498609

Is there a specific kind of horror that is spawned by the Horror Seed spell?

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>>167498985
Dont know. I assume it just spawns random horrors.

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>>167499196

Well how's this for an idea: Parasitized Thrall

It's a Branded Thrall with a #secondtmpshape that looks almost identical to the Branded Thrall, but has a Float Cat's tentacle face instead of a head and gains a Drain Life attack and other qualities of lesser horrors in addition to its spear.

>>167499998
Sounds fine to me. There is probably a lot you can do with horrors if you think about it.

>>167499998
that sounds a lot like my tabletop RPG campaign

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>tfw you spend more time modding than actually playing

>>167500405
t. Amuys

>>167501539
He spends more time washing the decks of his gay cruiser.

Whats another game like dominions that lets me go around summoning all sorts of bullshit?

>>167502004
Master of Magic.

>>167502004
Dark Souls

>>167502004
CoE

>>167502285
Looks interesting but it might be too old.
>>167502662
You're a funny guy anon

>>167502753
>but it might be too old
Yeah, it might be a bit of a culture-shock coming from the cutting edge of Dominions .

>>167502814
I mean it might be too old to work.

>>167502882
Have you not heard of GoG.

>>167502753
>it might be too old.
It's sure older than you, fucking millennial.

>>167502926
Not really.
>>167502942
Almost but not quite.

>>167503018
https://www.gog.com/game/master_of_magic

It works up to Windows 10.

>>167503226
Neat.

>>167503471
It's also a great 4x. I wouldn't be surprised if MoM is considered an inspiration for all sorts of other games including Dom1-4

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>>167503226
>tfw really wanna try so many older games but those old fonts at low resolutions hurt my eyes and stop me from doing it

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>>167501569
>more time washing the decks of his gay cruiser
It's more like fixing washing machines and coffeemakers

>no game starting

how do i fill my empty sad life?

>>167507081

Masturbation?

>>167497754
>some fusion of Hinnom, Mictlan, and R'lyeh
Doesn't sound OP to me.

>>167507393
That's the method I've been relying on lately, even supplemented with anime and vidya it doesn't seem to work.

Sorry for staling last turn. My turn didn't go in because of some patch-related issues.

>>167507432
It's all in the execution.

>>167508132
t. 4th atlantis

and it looks like this fucked me bad enough to put the war on even footing again.

>>167508572
>put the war on even footing
Lol, not hardly. I've been watching that, R'lyeh has 0 chance of winning without help.

It did probably cause the war to get delayed by 6-12 turns though, so it was a very significant setback.

>>167513078
>R'yleh is losing
What innovative strategy let Atlantis pull that off? Mind duels to snipe the squid commanders?

>>167514037
It's called expansion. Atlantis can easily beat R'lyeh when their expansion leaves them more than twice R'lyeh's size.

Part of that is Atlantis being big, but also R'lyeh being tiny.

>>167514037
probably
i fed him a fuckton of pearls

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I mean I've not really grown much smaller, and Rlyeh has been throwing away a lot of gold so far

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>>167515203
>Riley
>Earth Serpent

>>167515464
Snek is fine for R'lyeh

>>167515464
EA mindblasters don't go on land, so an amphibious expander like the Snek is useful

>>167515593
>>167515643
>not investing in your late-game with N9 golems

>>167515679
As someone who did this, its pointless. The pearls were always getting spent on other things, typically boosters and rings.

N9 was useful for the tarts I guess, but not needed. EA R'lyeh doesn't really need anything but good scales from its pretender desu.

>>167515203

Meant to say Atlantis, derp

If I have 4 Communion Slaves, does the fatigue from one Master's cast get divided by 4 between the slaves? Or do I have to calculate the fact that the Master has 2 more levels in that path? In that case what's the final equation?

>>167521669
https://www.google.com/search?q=dominions+4+communions&oq=dominions+4+communions

>>167521669

Divided by five. Between the caster and all the slaves. There are various effects from base pathlevel of both the master and the slaves. Read the manual

>>167521669
Divided by five first; then path level effects are applied
As I understand it if a slave has no paths in the spell a master casts then they get 2x fatigue from it also

>>167521909

What's the point when it's more convenient to have more Masters casting in the first turns than less Masters casting for a longer time?

>>167522131

Mages cost money and fort turns, and wasting them is rarely a good idea.

>>167522242

I meant combat turns.

>>167522131
Horde of Skeletons costs 40 fatigue. You can cast it 3 times before passing out. With 5 mages that's a total of 15 casts.

Horde of Skeletons costs 3 fatigue with 4 slaves. You can cast it 33 times before passing out.

>>167523085
but 15 casts in the first 3 turns is more useful (at least for spells other than horde of skellies) is his point

>>167523257
Sometimes yes. In those cases you don't use communions. Or less bottom-heavy communions.

>>167523257
HoS communions tend to be top heavy for that reason.

>>167522393

Yes. And with more masters and less slaves, you'll kill your slaves.

>>167523257
>>167523336

Yes that was the point, thought there was a consensus on what was better but I guess it really depends.

>>167498549
M'Gartha and I are actually in a pretty large war right now. And the Hebrews and and Mictlan are pretty much gobbling the rest of the map that went AI.

The thrones are so damn spaced out though it might be a while before anyone can make a grab.

>>167523641
"It depends" is a total meme, but it's also sometimes right.

>>167521859
Not that guy, but:

Fuck off.

>>167524130
The answer to his question is literally in all of the first three hits.

>>167524219
And also in here.

What do you think this is?

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>>167457304

I don't think the elves are going to attack again until they have air elementals or tstrike in sufficient quantity to make my resistance moot.

>>167457000

*eyes become swirly shapes*

>>167521669

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=814311765

>>167525007
why do u have such a weeb name

are you a weeb

>>167525801
He's rjkr

can commune be used outside of battle? i want to get some mages to the frontlines but they dont have enough on their own. will i just have to suck it up and empower?

>>167529686
>can commune be used outside of battle?
Nope. You can make items to boost their power though.

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Any advice on how to play mid to lategame Niefelheim?
So I have a bunch of my holy Niefel Giants and Skratti thugs, now what?

Especially could use some advice on what do do battlefield magic wise.

>>167531143

Skratti turbocommunions are good shit?

>>167532813
What do they cast?

>>167533919

You can run sixteen Gygas off of eight Shroud+Wolf+PersonalRegen Skratti, and they regen fast enough that that can't kill them. Cast whatever you like!

>>167534361
Oh well, I guess you need a little bit of bloodhuntin to set that up. And also do some research so I have shit to cast. Preferably bigger spells, since you need to make up for a smaller amoung of casters compared to other nations.

>>167534361
You can run more than 16 desu. You also need only 2 skratti slaves, unless you want to reduce the masters' fatigue further.

>>167535194
+3 magic boost is gud

>>167535194

Shroud+Wolf+PersonalRegen is 18 HP/turn. That means you can run up to 18 casters off it indefinitely, so long as the communion is large enough that slaves never generate more than 10 fatigue per cast. That last bit is why you might want more than 2 skratti.

>>167498549
>Lukas
>playing
let's be honest here

>>167535513
Damage is fat/30 isn't it?
Or even fat/50.

>>167535814
Pretty sure if he went full NEET and concentrated on his Dominions 4 cybersports career, he'd be a great player.

>>167506000
I recently got Darkland but haven't worked it out. I've gotten distracted by King's Field. I enjoy it more than Bloodborne.

>>167523773
They went AI? Thanks for the tip.
t. Mictlan

>>167537106
Pretty sure he does actually spend a fair amount of time in the game, given that he has been in a fair number of games for a huge amount of time, but just doesn't actually play well.

>>167535513
>more than 10 fatigue per cast
It's more like 50 iirc. Test it if you want to verify, but 2 skratti is enough to sustain the communion indefinitely.

>>167535468
The problem is that you're spending extra gold and gems for it. Like, sure, it's more skelemans or shadowblast AoE, but it's not worth 12 mage turns, 60 gems, and almost 2000 gold to get it.

>>167541809
I dunno, 3 extra shadowblast aoe on every single master could end up being pretty huge if you go big on the gygjas

>>167543653
It's 2 more AoE for 6 more skratti. A 4 slave turbocommunion is arguable, but an 8 slave turbocommunion is massive overkill

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Atlantis pls leave and stay leave

I'm going to need a sub. Our wireless bill came and was over a 1000 dollars, out internet is going to be shut off for a month while we try and get this sorted. Sorry gaiz.

>>167546715
I'm also in this game. Again, sorry.

>>167546715

>Wireless bill
>1000 fucking dollars

explain this meme

>>167546935
I don't know, I'm posting from a mcdonalds right now. I didn't even find out till yesterday.

/domg/, ganbatte

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AAAHHHHHHH

WHY WERE MY GUDUS EVEN MOVING THERE

AAHHHH

>>167549459
/domg/ doesn't even ganbatte at keeping the thread alive.

>>167549559
You lost like 300 gold of mages, calm your tits.

>>167550037
I'm not worried about 300G.

I'm worried about the Jarls about to ram their frost brands up my Waifu's pure and unspoiled arse.

>>167550193
What were you thinking when you attacked him then? It's not like Ur has much that can kill Niefel's thugs and even basic troops. And that army has, how many, around 65 sacreds + what I assume are 9 thugs + skratti? Battlefield clear with EQ isn't gonna work on that, and you don't have good paths besides E.

>>167550425
Sorry, I'm retarded, it's around 73 sacreds including amazons, actually. I assume Niefel uses N9 (because why shouldn't he).

>>167550425
I've got a plan.

I don't even remember sending those Gudus there, they should have been regrouping with the main force.

>>167546871
Why bother. We've already got a staler and half the players are memes. I'm just playing it like a regular game now.

>>167550425
Shouldn't maws of the earth work decent?

>What were you thinking when you attacked him then?
Probably "Holy shit this fucker is huge better hit him before he gets huger"

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How do you kill prot 27 regenerating statues.

Asking for a friend.

>>167552141

Soul Slay their commanders.

>>167552141
What magic paths?

>>167552141
Speaking from experience, you don't.

>>167552141
They don't have cold or lightning resistance and their MR is 12.
Alternately, target the leadership and they should just stand still doing nothing for the rest of the battle

>>167552271
Well, it's MA Agartha, so there's a lot of those magma eruption dudes there. It's not a raiding party, it's a big ass army. And Pale One mages have 17 MR without lead amulets and stuff, so I'm a little sceptical about that.

>>167552273
MA TC.

>>167552309
Elaborate.

>>167552392
>MA TC
Make a communion and drop fucking rocks on them.

You have perfect paths for dealing with this.

>>167552392
Gifts from Heaven, you nerd. Easy fight.

>>167552435
>>167552503
That actually makes sense. I'll try.

Thing is, he has a ton of burning ones in skirmish formation as well, and rocks will kill like 1-2 squares per cast, which is bearable, but his mages won't just stand there doing nothing.

>>167552141
>E9 on Agartha

>>167552678
It makes 'em nearly invulnerable to infantry, but it's a trade-off, since they become vulnerable to things like gifts from heaven spam.

Sotha sill This is EA Chinesenewyear Host speaking. Send in your pretender you have 48 hours.

>>167552745
E9 has no relevance to GoH, it's just generally not a worthwhile pick because they already have extremely high prot and don't take fatigue

>>167552745
What kind of trade-off is that? Like they were invulnerable to GfH before.

>>167552960
Reinvigoration 4 actually helps all Agartha's national mages.

>>167552592
Gifts should aim for statues preferentially. Deal with magma children some other way. Maybe archers?

Once the magma children are dead, statues should be held in place by infantry fairly easily. They have low killing power, they just never die.

>>167552678
Statues get the full +5 protection, because all of their prot is natural. Going from 22 to 27 prot is a big deal.

It's a very nice mage bless too, and reinvig helps their recruitable sacreds.

I don't think it's worth the investment myself (agartha gets more out of scales, imo), but it's a reasonable choice.

>>167553018
Taking an N9 is mandatory on Agartha. An E9 or B9 are very common options. An E9's protection makes them very difficult to damage, whereas a B9 means they'll fry any mage that's spamming spells at them.

Is there any way to reveal elf armies, at all?

>>167553234
Eyes of God should do it

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>>167553234
Remove elves.

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>>167552141
You're Tien, one of the few nations that do not give a fuck about how much HP something has. Drop space rocks on them until they die.

>>167514121
Ryleh is bigger than they appear, because it turns out they have 6 land provinces.

>>167553018
But going with E6 is much more efficient.

>>167551224
Staler has been set AI

>>167554504
Not disputing that, famakal.

>>167546871
>>167551224
I'm considering just ending the game, honestly. It's kind of been a failure

>>167554742
what? No!

>>167553167
Aside from a bigger force of fatigue neutral N9 sacreds, and just killing them before they can mass statues, what can even kill N9B9 statue spam?

>>167556178
Enough skelespam to force them to fight past turn limit.

>>167556381
Does that actually kill them? Seems like it'd be a tossup.

>>167556178
My answer to everything is army of lead air eles.

>>167556445
Turn limit causes all mindless beings to die.

I once lost 200 sentinels and a couple thugged out marble Oracles to it.

>>167556681
Doesn't time limit kill anything? turn 75 I think it was.

>>167556026
Ok. Then I won't

>>167556746
Sorta, but autorout happens first and mindless stuff dies then while not-mindless stuff just runs away.

>>167557120
Did autorout also include berserk stuff? Can't remember if berserk/zombies count or not.

Think it was turn 50 autorout
then 75 or something everything vanishes.
60 or something

>>167557262
Berserk goes past the normal autorout. That's the idea with putting those blood axes on SCs

>>167557318
what about zombies and undead stuff?

Shikkari, /domg/

I just started playing King's Field and it's objectively better than the Souls games. Sharing this because I feel like people have a right to know how incredible King's Field is.

>>167558093
Undead aren't special. Mindless units are mindless, which start to melt at autorout the same way statues and elementals and all other mindless units do. Non-mindless undead rout as normal too.

Worthy Heroes 5.7 is up if anyone cares about very minor bugfixes.

fucking dead thread somebody make another game or something

Fine I will.

MA good?

>>167568197
Okay, I'll just go ahead and make Dominions 5.

>>167568264
LA

>>167568264

ABSOLUTE MADMAN

>>167568401
>absolute MAdMAn

MA it is

>>167568350
Good, make sure you include a separate fucking recruitment tree for commanders though. Also a first person dungeon crawling minigame isn't essential but would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=AbsoluteMAdMAn

Apparently MA Xib had a bug with WH that just got fixed. Good job, Sy.

I picked a map that uses caves, so someone can play frogs and maybe get to use this hero that had apparently been accidentally disabled for literally forever.

>>167568531
Cool, I'll join as soon as I can think of a nation and a pretender.

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>>167568597
Do it faggot

>>167568809

ABSOLUTE MADMARIGNON

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Is there a mod that just unlocks pretender creation so you can make a OP pretender?

Asking for a friend.

>>167569442
nope
but making a custom OP pretender is pretty easy anyway

>>167569540
>>167569442
custom OP pretender mod*

>>167568531
can you get rid of story events please

>>167569615
Fuck you story events are cool.

>turn 10 as MA Abysia
>over half my mages are diseased
I guess this is what happens when you dont take growth 3.

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Soul Contract Jotunheim -
Pros:
Jotunheim doesn't need a bless or awake to hit 22 provinces year 1 (with forest labs + fort under construction)
Hits Cons 2 super fast, and can actually use Cons 4 for both dowsing rods and thugging
Lets you get a nice stack of devils to go with your normal midgame magics

Cons
No N9 for bigger regen on your turbocoms and shrouded thugs
No N9 caster for contesting globas
Need to alchemize or trade for F gems

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>>167571029
Why not Sloth 3?

>>167571247
I like expanding hard even when I have a only 2 land neighbors on my cap. Leaking Land has a lot fewer connections per province on average than stuff like snerdryn/hexawyr.

>>167571309
yeah but you just get fucked by strong indies anyway

>>167571349
Wolfrider exp parties can take heavy cav np

>>167568531
You may want to hold off on starting that, actually, since I've got around a dozen more minor bugs to fix in WH.

How often do RP threads start up?

>>167572759

For threads you want /tg/. But if you meant games, then not super frequently, but occasionally? There've been two in pretty swift succession though, so I dunno when the next'll be.

>>167574761
>threads
I have no idea why I said that.

And damn. I might just jump into a normal game then, whenever they start. -- How often to newb-games start? And is that even a good idea, or does it encourage bad learning?

>>167574825

There's usually a game or two starting up each week. Newb games are fairly frequent, and usually moreso after Steam Sales. Dunno what's recruiting at the moment though. I'd suggest checking the /v/anheim postings. Many games get threads for recruitment there, and the newb games definitely tend to, because if you run them anonymously then Malakal joins.

>>167574825
What's your steam ID? There's a secret noob game starting soon

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>>167575061

>>167574825
Newb games are great for learning if you're new.

Everyone will probably end up playing highly suboptimally, but the most important thing to learn in dominions is how to counter enemy strategy and tactics. A newb game gives you a lot more room to get some practice in that area.

>>167575061

Forgot my name there

tfw no supple new players to teach the pleasure of being diplomanced for the very first time

>>167575548
except diplomancing is the only applicable outside skill a player can bring in

RIP Fomoria

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>>167576976

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>Newb
>Needs 500 hours of single player to advance
>Beginner
>Needs consistent 16 province expansions to advance
>Competent Beginner
>Needs ??? to advance
What is "???" and how do you obtain it?

>>167577725
Diplomancy

>>167577725
Autism.

>>167577725
An actual mid to end game. So, >>167578457.

Any chump can get 16 expansions.
>>167578310
That's from competent to expert.

Experts can eventually ascend to master. However, mastery requires innovation. There is only one current master, and his name is Tokshen.

>>167578517

All strategies were innovative when they were first used.

>>167578517
>tfw I have innovation but I'm still a scrub

>>167580807
reminder: Forester Bob was once cutting edge

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Here are the score graphs from DriftKing, for anyone interested.

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>>167581441
Income

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>>167581530
Gems

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>>167581625
Research

>>167581358

Not really. That was a Dom4 game. SCs have been a fixture since the early Dom3 meta. It's just /domg/ were all turboscrubs then.

>>167581712
>Jotun lagging
pathetic

>>167581712
How do I still have better research than people? I have one province and haven't been able to recruit mages for like 20 turns.

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>>167581712
Army

>>167581530

What's that spike for everyone at the end? Well of Misery go up or something?

>>167581952
I think it did actually.

>>167581778

I'm pretty sure that one is Niefel, senpai.

>>167581778
Note that Niefel=/=Jotun.

There are several reasons for my research being shite. Having drain scales is one. More importantly... the Niefel mages are incredibly expensive, this is the main source of problem. Both blood hunting and research has to be done by mages with 200 upkeep each. I realise now that the research issues could have been avoided by going for revenants early, but that plan also relies on not having drain scales.

>>167581952
Yeah, that is well of misery cast by TC (also noticeable in the gem graph)

>>167582145
>drain scales
why?

>>167582374

Not that guy, but I'm guessing because E9N9 Niefel Giants are SPECTACULARLY difficult to kill, and that bless also lets you do silly things with Jarls and Skratti (Turbocommunioned or otherwise).

>>167581839
Everyone can thank mictlan for the bats huge army. I was in the process of removing them when the retard decided to hit me in the back and save them.

>>167582374
Basically, because I needed to pay for an expensive bless.. yeah. My line of reasoning was that drain causes less harm to Niefel compared to the average nation as all of its mages are high RP/high cost.

Only after I was deep into the game did I find out about the Magic scales/ revenants/ hidden in snow plan which seem quite good, so think I will do that next time around.

>>167583312
what bless?
actually post your whole pretender

>>167583615

Nothing like public scrutiny.

The pretender is a monolith with N9/S7/E4 and O3/S1/C3/G2/M2/D1 scales.

The desire for rings was just too strong.

>>167577725
Needs to legitimately (everybody fights you till the last turn) win one (1) MP game.

>>167584940
>(everybody fights you till the last turn)
I've never played a legitimate game of Dominions 4, win or lose.

>>167583312
>hidden in snow
Aww shit nigga, I forgot about that spell in my current Niefelheim game.

>>167585105
I did, was my first win and I was fighting 4v1 till the very end.

How much units/commanders can you expect when casting Hidden in Snow? The spell is rather pricy.

>>167586671
1-3 commanders and 30+ units I believe
they're fairly strong but still not worth their cost

>>167586671

It depends™

I wouldn't cast it unless you want the mage, which can be one(usually) or more of D1?4 (2 x 50% D, 3 x 50% of E, 3 x 50% of W)

>>167546715
Go AI

t. totally not bird

>>167571029
I'm not really sure what the point of this pretender or strategy is when you can easily get N9 + loadsascales on Jotunheim thanks to the Irminsul, and Skratti mean that you're perfectly capable of getting some frost demons for midgame if you really need some actual troops when you're not drowning shit in skeletons and every other spell that makes non-undead miserable

>>167587151
Getting lucky with 3E would be nice, but I guess that's not worth the cost.

>>167588572
because you get to add devils to your existing tactics. Jotunheim is in no way reliant on N9 for anything, since skratti thugs already regen and their sacreds aren't crucial to expansion.

Frost demons are okay, but you're getting 1/turn from an StR mage and you can only start getting them much later than contracts at cons 2 (when you want cons 4 by the midgame anyways)

It has tradeoffs (mentioned in the post), but it also has some pretty obvious merit.

>beat Jotunheim back to his cap
>Vanarus jumps me
FECK OFF YE FECKIN BASTARDS

>>167588781
How would you use them, then? Raiding or supplementing your own troops in battle? Since, the way I've played jotunheim in the past tended to have high attrition rates on stuff that wasn't mages.

Lemurian thread

>>167589016
heh

>>167589016
I warned you about Vanarus bro, why didn't you listen?
Offer stills stands.

Soul Vortex only deals health damage, right? No fatigue?

WH 5.8

A bunch of minor bugfixes and I merged the (nn) version with the main mod, since that's the one you lot were actually using anyway and I didn't feel like doing two uploads every time I changed a line.

>>167569615
>Getting rid of story events
>Hating fun

Does AP attacks halve full protection value or only protection value from actual Armor? Eg if your unit has 10 protection from natural toughness and 10 from armor, will Prot after AP be 15, or 10?

>>167595053

Full protection value, before roll.

Reminder that MA Ermor has never won a game in Summod

>>167595596
By the time this game ends, that will no longer be true.

>>167595882
You are technically correct.

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Everyone else in the cast seems to have an equivalent pretender, but what about Kanna?

>>167595920
>>167595882
Actually, no. That's only true if the OG Ermor wins. Otherwise, the win will belong to 'Beige Ermor' or somesuch.

>>167595934
Ainu mythology is too minor to be represented in this game.

>>167595596
How many games has Summod MA Ermor even played

>>167595934
Celestial Dragon is the closest

>>167596381
Not many. The point remains.

>>167595934
Is Tohru just a generic Green Dragon with fire paths then?

>>167596381
>>167596474
It's a 0% win rate every bit as valid as vanilla thed's former 50% win rate.

Luckily, one of their heroes had a bug that got fixed. This might just be the buff that they needed!

>>167595882
>Ermor cast Burden of Time
>nobody AIs
JUST

>>167596474
Oh, sorry. What was the point then?

>>167596573
>one of their heroes had a bug that got fixed
What was the bug?

>>167596962
Their Archcensor was supposed to bring a few Lictors with him into battle. He does that now.

>>167597017
Literally useless. He's supposed to summon 1 free lictor each turn, that was his use.

>>167597017
>tribless ermor buffs
SYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>167596072
Which Ermors are even the bestest Ermors atm?

I know its possible to mod a monster that summons other monsters automatically every turn in battle but are there any in the base game that actually do it?

"Um!"

- Sy, 2017

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>when you stealthily try to rush a gud global

>>167597653
Anything with D2 c:

>>167598107
Cute!

>>167599042
Technically one of those monsters empowered to D2 would be able to continue spamming shit even after they got fatigued. I'm just wondering if this is like reforming which is a whole mechanic that only a single monster uses.

>>167598107
>>167599131
Is Sy the cutest person on /domg/?

>>167599246
stahp

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>>167599347

>>167599246

This shit is way too gay for me and I like traps.

t. sotha

>>167568531
your FUCKING map link is BROKEN

>>167600008
Liking traps isn't gay, though.

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>>167601027