/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

DARK SOLES

Reminder that the team behind DeS, DS1, and DS3 made this first

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z43NFPLuDm8

Actually watching gameplay videos of enchanted arms - it's shocking how much of demon souls audio and visual style / atmosphere was first used in this shit-tier rpg

>>167252428
I want nosefags to leave and stay leave

>>167252498
>YOU READY FOR THITH?

>frigid outskirts
>LET'S PUT THREE INCREDIBLY FAST HARD HITTING ENEMIES IN A LOW VISIBILITY ENVIRONMENT
>PREPARE3DIE
>HARDEST GAME EVER MADE

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Person who selects thread pics should get better art

>>167252681
Wasn't all that hard

>>167252682
Is this a Jojo reference?

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Threadly reminder who best boy is.

>>167252681
It's one of the best areas of the game.

>>167252682
Do you think he plowed that stormdrake every day?
>gave up his family and position as God of War for drake pussy
>even let his twink bro getting eaten by a blob
Cloaca stronk

>>167252802
>we will never see how he fought Gwyndolin and brutally wrecked him

>>167252865
He betrayed his father most likely because he understood that dragons are not actually threatening humanity, unlike Serpents.
Goes well with Oceiros who considers dragons to be the ultimate beings not afraid of any age changes.

>>167252661
his dialogue is like that throughout THE ENTIRE GAME.

>>167252681
Would you rather they just plopped down some static bumbling AI enemies wandering around in plain view like the rest of the entire franchise? Frozen Outskirts is great. I wish more of DS2 was like it, in trying to have a survival style.

>>167252760
ELITE GAMER WATCH OOOOOOOOOOUT

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cmw is OP

>>167253142
I'm sorry you're sub-par

>>167253148
>cheating is OP
No shit anon.

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Reposting for more opinions:

Trying to figure out if i should be using a different chest piece or shield. I feel like the helmet is just a wee bit too "shiny" for this armor, where as the shield looks too old comparatively.
Or am I worrying too much about the opinions of strangers on this Tibetan sky funeral enthusiast symposium?


Also post /fa/shion

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>>167252798
obviously

>>167253373
The greathelm is too small
That weapon has an ugly profile

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I had the time of my life yesterday, iron flesh + blackflame on parting pyromancy flame is a godsend, reminds me of how poise was good

literally 2 hitting everybody that comes close.

Funny how DaS2 was the last good Souls game.
At least we have Nioh and For Honor to fill the void.

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how do I look guys?

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>>167253373
I think it looks good, the shield matches the cloth from that angle, dunno about different lighting
The only thing that looks 'off' to me is the lenght of your weapon compared to the size of your shield

>Post /fa/shion
I'll whip out my old but still good fashion

>>167253373
I already told you nigger, your fun sized sword is too small for that heavy armor.

I suggest hollow soldier helm if your face isn't too ugly. Swap the sword for something in the GS veriety. Hollowslayer would probably go nice with the browns.

>>167253682
Like a Heide Knight

>>167253682
>toilet paper cape
awful

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>>167253670
>For Honor

Bad news, anon.

>>167240503
Fire surge is probably the most necessary
Black flame is usually the key appeal, assuming you have a parting flame
Either nuke is worth having (but not both)
Black serpent works well with black flame and nukes, moreso vestiges

If you want to be reductive and just use a regular flame, you can get by with fire surge and chaos fire orb

Toxic/poison mist and boulder heave mix ups are funny but also sort of their own thing

Warmth is fun enough to at least have in your inventory somewhere

Floating chaos is useful once it's already out: if you throw a nuke right as someone gets stunned it'll fill the role of black serpent, or you can layer it with darts for a nearly undodgeable six shot frametrap; the problem is that it takes so long to set up and if someone fires a nuke at the same time you cast the chaos, you'll eat shit

Flame arc is surprisingly good, but most of the appeal comes from how inexpensive it is investment wise, and since what really sets it apart from resin is just the duration you're going to be weak to duel charms, unlike bundle spammers who can just continually reapply their buff

>>167253373
Dude, this helmet is horrible.

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I wonder what the deal is with this fellow. Calls himself rap and is an amnesic hollow.

>>167253880
Probably another coo coo crazy like Solaire

What is the best souls-like game? King Field sucks ass btw.

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>tfw want to know all the weapon/equipment info on the 8th
>but don't want any more lore/story/boss spoilers

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>>167253880
this guy gonna be tragic as fuck, isn't he?

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>>167253373
>>167253373
That look is top tier. I have some edits though.

>Elite Knight legs, those shin guards look great on everything
>I would go with nameless/elite gloves
>I personally love the armor you chose, and that helm is just as shiny as any other. Fridge armor is pretty shiny as is.
If you want to change things up, regular knight and alva look fantastic with the great helm. Also, it's a little heavy, but I think Faraam would be the perfect piece to wear with it. The shield is perfect and would match Faraam very nicely.

My two cents. Now rate my ghost pirate.

>>167253682
You're in heide knight, aka the best set. So you look good.

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>>167254078
This is really bad, anything that uses nameless king set pieces must be purged.

>>167253880
Allegedly the paired greatshields are his

>>167253682
Like a melted candle

>>167254294
I do agree with you, but I think NK chest goes well with Smough's Helm. Makes the character look tall.

>>167254078
Terrible suggestions, neck yourself.
Also nice excuse to use le meta saber.

>>167253880
This is the best looking set since chester`s set.

>>167253670
Your post was funny.
>>167253979
Objectively, 3.

>>167253719
The chest, sword and helmet look good together, the arms look too skinny compared to the rest though, maybe something longer?

>>167254615
Chestpiece is somewhat decent becouse of the wrap around the characters face, but the fact that almost all gauntlets leave you with an empty space that show's your skin behind your elbow it's frustrating.

>>167254686
I really should just go back to Rosaria and pump up the width of the arms
I'd make myself bulkier altogether but then 80% of the armour will look like trash

>>167254078
The chest makes you look like an angry mushroom with that hat. Swap it, maybe for sellsword, or legion.

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What's the giantdad of DS3?
Is it the "lol bloodborne anime set with dual katana"?

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Rate my fashion guys

Also how the hell do I beat this boss

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>>167254779
>make my character arms bigger
>sheaths on back get fatter

>>167253682
Like one of the top5 sets of DaS2, so fantastic.

No DLC based on not completely flooded Heide

>>167254863
heh, what a cute kot

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FUCK

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>>167254837
What is a giantdad for you, I mean, is it even a legitimate build? Havel Mom's were truly terrifying but memedads were just toggle parried to death by anyone decent.

>>167255042
I didn't play during the days of Havel MoM's, how bad was it?

anyone here have the dark souls visual novel? can't find it anywhere online

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>decide to try out some meta weapons
>easily comboing 900 damage with 2kat with 0 risk
>spamming r1 with spears and getting as much damage as UGS while at safe range and with spare stamina to roll
>CSS can hit in and out so fast you have to be retarded to get hit
>you can win trades with almost anything with BKS and lothric knight sword
>heatseeking tracking on a 400 AR rapier

how do metafags ever lose to me and my shit weapons

>>167255258
>during the days of Havel MoM
they haven't left

>>167255398
I meant ninja flipping havel MoM's.

>>167254995
you have a roll button, idiot, USE IT

>>167253580
Did you invade in the catacombs ? A guy named Im Strong

>>167255351
I'm a meta fag and I don't lose to anything besides other meta builds.

Can anyone put their sign down outside sif? lvl 49 im on DSCM

>>167255774
wanna yiff at sif?

>>167253670
You really are right. 3 wasn't a good souls game. It was and is, a GREAT souls game.

>>167253880
I like that we're going to meet a fellow undead, wonder what his story is going to be. Especially in such a weird place as the ringed city.

>>167253880
He will invade us like Maldron, just like him, he has a great lance. Why a greatlance you might ask? Well, that armour, is designed for jousting. You joust with a lance you miserable pillock!

Call Vaati, there are horses in Dark Souls!

>>167253880
Everytime I look at that set, I just think, "who gave homestar runner armor," and I can't take it seriously.

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>>167253880
That set looks so fucking perfect.
I don't think I'll be ever able to wear anything else after the DLC

Why do people compare for honor to dark souls? And is for honor going to drive away the hordes of duelfags plaguing ds3? Shame it didn't come out earlier so we didn't get any resources wasted the gayass arena. Also, why don't you become embered for defeating a red sign soapstone invader in ds3? Or at least an ember.

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>yfw he's the final boss of Ringed City

>>167256332
Back then the art looked very grounded on reality but there was a sudden change in the artstyle for some reason and now it really looks like just another retarded western game that thinks just because an armor looks boring it is realistic.

>>167256538
>and he's wearing Ornstein's plume

>>167256632
>and penetrator's armor
>and has the anvil flail for weapon

>>167256712
>>167256632
>summons a demon made of feces mid battle
>Gavlan, the Pain of Ages

>>167256330
>tfw no horse

I love Quelaag, so I'm going to marry her.

>>167253142
git gud pleb

>>167257032
Go to bed Fair Lady, you're sick.

>>167257032
Takes two people in love to marry. Since she will never love you because she isn't real, it looks like you are out of luck.

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>>167252903
>>we will never see how he fought Gwyndolin and brutally wrecked him
there' was no fight. I'm sure Aldrich just walked up to him and started o swallow his cock whole.

Coming back to ds3. Been gone since before ashes.

Is poise a thing yet? Any example of a build that allows poise through attacks and trading?

Really want to use heavier weapons, was always a dex nub when I played.

>>167256957

Funny thing is the Soul of Cinder is basically the culmination of the suffering of all of the time periods. So Pain of Ages is still quite true and much more poetic.

>>167257476
>Is poise a thing yet?
Nope, and it never will be.

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I just reached archdragon peak. It's really fucking cool looking. Just fought the wyvern. I died to manserpents, but I kind of figured out what to do. This is really cool. This seems like a cool fucking boss. What a thrill.

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>>167257476
>Is poise a thing yet?
hahaha.
I have 18.25 poise as a ultra user - switched out to 37+ poise. little difference my man. poise is dead in 3. its all about hyperarmor.
now now poise will add a small amount of % to hyper but to be honest no one needs more then 25 vit for anything really.

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Does anyone have a spare deserter set on PC(DS3)? Im trying to farm it but it doesn't seem like i will drop it today

>>167257846
you need to hit specific breakpoints to not be interrupted during attacks. these breakpoints change depending on what you're swinging and what is hitting you. it functions perfectly fine, don't be misleading.

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any FC going on today?

Do fistweapons need a buff? Or are the demon fists just slow as hell? The r1's are really slow and their range doesn't help much. Only good moves are the running l1 and rolling l1.

>>167257358
>implying you need to be in love to marry

>>167257980
its not misleading. poise only adds % to weapon arts. you don't even need poise in this game at all if you can dodge and trade blows just fine.
1-2 poise was noticeable - not in this game.

>>167257846
>>167257679
Well shit. Feels like heavy weapons really aren't meant for this game, other than wrecking scrubs at a handicap.

Really wanted a 2 handed playthrough

>>167257995
>Do fistweapons need a buff?
fuck no they don't. they're really good as they are
>>167257980
I think what he was saying is

>>167258249
>>167257980
sorry phone sent the message.
Anyway what I think he was saying - after the patch armor and poise is still the same as always. still useless since release.
most players don't even use armor in pvp.

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>>167257358
Haha, what the fuck are you even talking about?

This is my wife, Lady of the Darkling, by the way. Please treat her kindly and with respect.

>>167258146
>2 poise was noticeable
>broken by any 2 handed weapon
kek

>>167258146
it's not just for weapon arts at all. it's for every single attack with HA on it, and it works perfectly fine. You hit , say, 13.9 poise while using a greatsword and you won't be staggered by anything smaller than a hammer during your 2h attacks unless they're using a charged r2. it's perfectly consistent.

Holy shit guys I knew ahead of time that sorcerers are pretty good in PvE but I wasn't prepared for this
>free Logan in Sen's
>buy homing soulmass and soul spear
>kill iron golem before he even gets close
>kill sentinels in anor londo before they activate with great heavy soul arrow
>nuke bell gargoyle with homing soulmass
I can't fucking wait to kill O&S and buy more of the same spells and the crystal versions

>>167258385
stop posting your shit autism art here you fat slob

>>167257990
I might.
Do I need to have the dried finger or something? Do I need to have the boss of the area still alive?

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>>167254837
kek

>>167258410
most ultra users don't use armor my friend.
most players in this game don't.
you don't need poise to trade blows. just make sure you attack goes off first . and dodging and waiting for an opening is everything.

>>167258478
I'm tempted to respec into sorcery just so I can easily farm the winged knights before the princes.

I manage to finish the game by mostly cheesing with bows and my melee skills are shit.

>>167258562
not for ultras, no. you need very little poise or none on the largest weapon classes to not be interrupted by small weapons during your attacks.

Poise will let you trade in situations where you would otherwise be interrupted if and only if you have reached the correct breakpoint. If you are using a greatsword and you have less than 7 poise, for example, you're fucking up because you need that much to poise through a straightsword.

>>167258667
I was talking about 1, I understand sorcery has subsequently been nerfed again and again

>>167258510
>Do I need to have the boss of the area still alive?
don't think so. everyone would be using red signs anyway.
>>167258562
>dodging and waiting for an opening is everything.
pretty much this

>Farming Concords
INVADE SOME PEOPLE, DAMN IT

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>>167258562
Sure kiddo.

>>167258510
>Do I need to have the dried finger or something?
Yes
>Do I need to have the boss of the area still alive?
Yes, so you can summon more people.

>>167258562
>>167258705
>>167258410

Poise is basically like a gimmick that you pull out once in a while to get a free hit and catch people by surprise because they don't realize they don't stagger you.

But it's not something you can make an entire build around.

>>167258705
I have 21 poise. I only get staggered by other ultra users or greatswords.
I don't think ultra users need more than 20 - hitting the 30+ is not needed when you can poke the other ultra user instead of relying 100% on tradeoffs.

>>167258510
>use finger
>be unembered
>boss must be alive

>>167258723
>>167258787
Shit, I have most of the bosses beat besides Twin Princes.

>>167258764
Are you the guy who was kicking everyone ass on the FC the other day?

Poise is great but havel legs look really bad. Can't you change that around? Mind posting your build?

What are your ideal patch notes for the upcoming dlc, /dsg/?
>Earthseeker buffed
>Millwood battleaxe/greatbow nerfed
>Crow quills nerfed
>Perseverance costs no stamina for hammer/greathammers
>Dark blade scales with int/faith
>Dead again increased casting speed/range and a damage bonus with dark talismans
>Vow of silence silences caster who are near you when the spell is active and not when its cast/make it affected by the lingering dragoncrest ring
>Poison deals damage at a faster rate
Theres much more I could think of, but this is probably a good chunk of it.

>>167258913
>Are you the guy who was kicking everyone ass on the FC the other day?
which FC? he wasnt at the cath

>>167258510
Boss alive
Dried finger
Unembered
If the first two conditions aren't met you can only have two people instead of five. If the last condition isn't met invaders will interrupt the FC

>>167258891
>>167258828
I'm not saying you need to stack poise, I certainly don't

I'm saying stop telling people it's useless and doesn't do anything because that's blatantly untrue and misleading

>>167258723
Sometimes we wonder why people are so bad, but then it has been an year and there's still idiots that don't know the boss must be alive.

>>167258976
Give the earthseeker the BKGA moveset
Buff its faith scaling
Reduce weapons weight all around, make the FUGs weight 15 units and then round the others down accordingly.
Give the Dragon Tooth the Great Club R2
Make Vordt Mace frostbite in 2 hits.

>>167256185
MAKING

OUT

WITH

MARZIPAAAAAAAAAN!!!

>>167259063
>I'm saying stop telling people it's useless and doesn't do anything because that's blatantly untrue and misleading
I don't say it was useless. I said 21 poise is comfy for me and I don't need 30. never in my post did I say its wrong to stack poise. all I said is " I don't think they need that much "

>>167259109
earthseeker should have the greatclub moveset

swap them and try it out, it's glorious and it's more similar to how the millwood knights use it

>>167258764
I'm the guy that was hoping for poise so I could do a heavy weapon playthrough.

It seems to me that 'poise' happens more often in pvp, where it could be a latency issue. I can't imagine that sort of thing translates to local pve

>>167259109
Why do you want to make earthseeker worse?

>>167259097
>Sometimes we wonder why people are so bad
bad for misinformation? get laid.

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>>167258976
>Crow quills nerfed
1-800-come-on-dude

>>167259282
>game out for over an year
>not knowing the basic mechanics

>>167259167
good on you. it's kind of difficult to tell who exactly is saying what on an anonymous imageboard, so I hope you'll forgive any confusion.

I have looked at the poise values for large weapons and they're pretty fucked up. it jumps from low 20s to poise through every small weapon up to needing 45 or 47 to start poising through other ultras.

So its been mixed feelings. Ulta user needs about 20-30 poise to trade off efficiently then?
or could I be okay with low poise and rely on my dodging more?

>>167259184
Greatclub moveset is beautiful. Sure its slow, but the roll catching is excellent and the horizontal hitbox is wider than it looks. Ive even hit people behind me with R1s.

>>167259350
but ive played for a week forgive me mr sensitive.

>>167259392
pick what you want to do instead of just stacking as high as you can get, because only certain values matter.
you're fine with a low number unless you want to HA through other weapons that are as big as yours.

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>>167253373

>>167259324
Honestly i wouldnt mind giving up some base damage and/or scaling in exchange for more damage on the knives

>>167259350
>game out for over an year
>thus everyone must've been playing it since release and must know literally everything about the game

>>167258976
Leave the quills alone. They're the first dex weapon I've truly enjoyed.

>>167259518
>unless you want to HA through other weapons that are as big as yours.
that's the thing most ultra weapons are predictable so I don't see the point of needed to trade off all the time. thanks for the tip!

ill just probably stick with my 18-20 poise then. greatswords+ seem to stagger me but everything else is fine. most people are luck/dex ive noticed / or sorc.

sadly I only see a ultra user 1 - 20 invades.

>>167259496
>>167259580
Don't give advice if you don't know how it works then, idiot.

So any recommendations on a weapon for a first time gs user?

I'm trying claymore, but not enough stamina to dodge forever and still get a hit in. Or am I just doing it wrong?

>>167259324
>~50 more ar than all other rapiers at 40 dex
C'mon, thats quite unfair.

>>167259740
And yet estoc is stronger.

I know, let's nerf Millwood axe too.

>>167259710
PvP or pve?

>>167259630
But its objectively the best rapier right now. It has a 130 crit modifier with the highest damage of all rapiers at 40 dex.

>>167259694
>Don't give advice if you don't know how it works then, idiot.
forgive me for having a heart and wanting to help someone out. if that person I responded to owas triggered by my answer I could of just looked it up directly for him and told him the info. but its people like you that make life so much a joy.

>>167259826
PvE for now. No Internet for gaming.

>>167253880
Wearing that armor on foot makes no sense

>>167259710
Get more stamina
Manage your stamina efficiently, don't spam, time your attacks, always keep enough for at least one roll.

>>167259990
Popes greatsword

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>>167259694
stop being a fag, wait no no, continue.

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>>167259896
Hmm early on you should use your range (2 handed) to get a hit in as enemies enter your range. Then roll away and repeat. Use the charged r2 as well. You can't use it to hack and slash like with straight swords so spacing is key.

Invest into your endurance early on, at least enough that you can do 2 r1s then be able to roll away.

>>167259885
I know. Its great. Every weapon class has a best weapon. You want best rapier to go back to boring old estoc? It's still easily beaten by other classes.

>>167259528
The only issue with them is the absolutely dumb amount of damage it does on critical attacks, I can very nearly one shot people with a hornet backstab using the quills and that doesn't feel right. Other than that the pitiful amount of damage the knife throw attack does should be upped when all of them connect because as is it's more of a huge telegraph that you're going to do the follow up R2.
>>167259740
Then up the damage or improve the weapon arts of the rest of the weapon class, I used to use Ricard's before the DLC dropped and trying to land it's extremely telegraphed weapon art was a pain in the ass for how little damage it did, not even counting how worthless it is in PvE compared to past iterations. Or how the basic rapier's stance attacks can't properly combo and are very easy to parry AND do a laughable amount of damage all at the same fucking time.

>>167260068
>>167259990
So early it sounds like the goal is more to be constantly just at the range of your weapon,which should be outside of most of theirs?

>>167260028
DON'T STEAL MY WEAPONFU

>>167260112
>boring old estoc
ive been using estoc since dark souls I don't make fun of my pokey waifu!

>>167260205
How is that crit any worse than the GUARANTEED hornet one-shot of ultra weapons?

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>>167260212
Yep. Here watch this to see what I mean. Not the best player but he illustrates the whole range thing.

https://youtu.be/H-7389_EFTI?t=3m17s

At 3 mins and 17 seconds if it doesn't automatically go there.

Ideally you'll want to hit r1 as you see them running/walking into your range. That way you can interrupt them. Usually you can get off a second r1 as well.

Oh and after riposte/backstab, wait a second then go for a fully charged r2. You should consistently be able to get the wake up.

>>167259791
How? Estoc has 387 ar at 40/40 while crow quills reaches 388 at only 40 dex. You'd have to be braindead to believe crow quills aren't unbalanced. Millwood is the same shit, 466 ar with only 40 str while a refined battleaxe at 40/40 has 439 ar. The singlestat weapons have been handeld poorly and with obviousy no consideration for other weapons in their class.

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In the first DLC we got the Onyx blade, a super strong, versatile weapon for hexers/pyro, something that 'class' was really lacking.

What do you think we'll get in DLC 2? Faith, or int? Or something else?

Or I guess a better question is, what do you HOPE we get?

>>167260332
Keep it then. Ill be playing with my newer model that comes with fun L1 combos and useless (but fun) jumping.

>>167260419
>GUARANTEED hornet one-shot of ultra weapons?
well they have to invest in a ring for numbers like that. and chances of them getting that off on you is slim. they're slow after all.

>>167260553
>Reply to Thread No.167252348[Spoiler?]
Faith. really needs some fucking love.
sorc and pyro have strong weapons for their shit already.

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Im trying to go from parrying with a buckler to parrying with a caestus and i cant for the life of me figure out when im supposed to do it, i mean i wasnt always 100% with the buckler but i could still parry most enemies but with the caestus i cant even parry the guys around fofg

>>167260553
I messaged a known playtester/translator over in japan who is hired for souls games and dlc (or at least works consistently on from/bandai namco games). Here's what he said:

>STR and/or DEX characters will have plenty to keep them busy. There are also several hybrid weapons that use either STR or DEX plus either INT or FAI. A few more have super high stat requirements, and those are either STR or DEX.

Of course feel free to take with a pinch of salt but this guy was there for before DS3's launch and confirmed a lot of stuff like the darksign sun instead of the leaking black sun well before anyone got there hands on the game.

>>167260692
dragonslayer greatax is cool and all.... but I want something else.

>>167260553
That lightning bow looks very faith-y. I hope its everything moonlight bow should have been but for clerics.

>>167260553
Faith needs a fire surge/dart equivalent if its going to be anything more than a "please duel charm me" class.

>>167258913
>Are you the guy who was kicking everyone ass on the FC the other day?
The high wall one? I guess that could be me.
>Poise is great but havel legs look really bad. Can't you change that around?
I don't even like how it looks but reaching the breakpoint was more important to me. You can experiment with havel armor and gundyr's leggings to get the same result.
>Mind posting your build?
The character in webm is not really optimized because that's my first character and I started mercenary like a dumbass
Ideally you would want something like this:
warrior start 40vig/end, 31 vit, 30 str, 34dex, favor +2, havel +2, wolf +2, firelink helm, gundyr's armor, gundyr's gloves, havel's leggings, caestus + profaned greatsword
If you want to loose it up a bit then cut some points from damage and get 33vit so you can run with BKGS or LKGS.

>>167260469
That video is actually really helpful, much appreciated.

It's a wholly different playstyle. Much more patient. He even (unintentionally) shows how rolling in to try to get faster hits often gets you punished.

Thanks. Looks fun.

>>167260529
Not him but estoc is longer

>>167260529
Estoc has the range, which is what matters most for the class, you can trqade with so many things quills can't, including quills themselves.
Quills and estoc are the only two worthwhile rapiers, the DLC actually added variety to the weapon class.

>>167259186
It does but you get cucked by Miyazaki and his amazing concept of getting 2 hits on mobs and the third one will never stagger.

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>>167260774

>>167260583
Weapon speed doesn't matter for riposites. Quills can't oneshot on backstabs even at low SLs unless the player made an incredibly retarded build

Seeing how mediocre the elemental infusions (lightning/fire/deep) are in comparison to raw/hollow/str/dex/quality + buff, I'd really like it if from significantly increased their damage. Hell double it why not. Anything to help bring more variety to this game.

>>167260875
Yeah I sweared by my trusty lothric knight long sword but after using the claymore for a while it's difficult to go back. It has good scaling and moveset so stick with it. Oh and make sure you grab the chloranthy ring if you haven't already.

>>167260961
February 8th is when the embargo is lifted for the people bandai invited to play the dlc. So not long to go then.

>>167260948
I meant the fact that you were swinging through someone who was attacking before you.

I'm not the guy that tried to say you had to swing first, but it lends credibility as latency could allow you to appear to swing second and be processed as swinging first.

Did Artorias and Ornstein yiff each other behind Ciaran's back?

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Anyone hype for the ds3 dlc?

>mfw that music

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>>167260529
leave quills alone

Fucking pvpfags no one cares about Souls game ""balance"" unless it's game breaking, go shill 4honor or something.

>>167261041
>Weapon speed doesn't matter for riposites
no what I ment was - fighting against a ultra guy is predictable - he shouldnt be getting those RIPS off ya.

>>167261148
Even on good ping you can swing second if you time it right and reach hyperarmor frames. On shitty ping anything is possible, because game goes to la la land and forgets to abide to it's own rules.

>>167261286
*notices buldge*
OwO what's this?

>>167261197
>setting is an end of the world at the end of times
>possibly angels, demons, londor and dark soul all at once
>cool as fuck weapons shown
>another qt and most likely barefoot girl
fuck yes i'm hyped

>>167260825
Merc isnt a bad class, you can go for two attunement and cast replenishment with magic shield or a weapon buff. You can also darkmoon ring swap for "free" tears.

>>167260909
>>167260917
>Half the amount of stat investment for the same, if not more damage
I would be alright if it has some more damage than the estoc to make up for the range, but it's damage right now is completely crazy for its stat investment.

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>>167261197
>>mfw that music

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>>167261385
>>another qt and most likely barefoot girl
you have good taste.

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>>167261197

>this music

>>167261197
>even the narrator sounds like she's about to keel over and die
I still hold the inevitably futile hope that From will close the story in grand style, but I'm almost certain that won't be the case.

>>167261595
can i have a cookie putin i'll give you estonia clay

>>167261396
It's like, the only thrusting sword that's viable as a full DEX build, and I think Chaos blade is the only other weapon period that scales best with pure dex unlike the rest of weapons in the game where From decided everything should scale ridiculously better with quality builds. They don't seem too likely to completely overhaul how most of the weapons in the game scale either.

>>167261771
give me that delicious finnic ugg uggro clay

GIVE ME A DUAL ULTRA WEAPON

AND A HALFWAY DECENT FIST WEAPON

AND ALL WILL BE FORGIVEN, FROM

THESE ARE MY DEMANDS

>twinks invading
>anti twinks waiting to get invaded

wth

>>167261396
That's because people assume only meta SL. Quill have larger stat reqs. A sharp 40 dex estoc has around 50 less AR, but here's the thing, this is only at +10 upgrade ranges

>>167261396
"Half the investment" is a misleading way to put it. I don't disagree with your claim that the quills are better, but in many cases you're going to have the str either way, in which case you arent "investing more". For example, if you're taking advantage of the shieldpoke backstab rapiers givr you acess too, and want to use something like havel's GS to do so as safely as possible, you're going to have that strength regardless. And dont get me wrong, 18 str for BKS and an arbalest with quills is probably better, but I still think it should be noted that the comparison is that straightforward.

Personaly I think sharp quills should only match estocs 1h damage instead of the 2h damage, but balancing by the numbers alone you're really just reducing variety by making things the same even though youre technically adding more (identical) options. To contrast, I'd rather do something like improve the offhanded rapier parry so that we've got rapiers that fill different roles.

>>167261771
Fuck off, don't touch our clay

>>167260961
Also, I've c+p'd some more of what he said. You could probably find this in 2 seconds with some googling but as long as I don't directly link to him it's good.

>quite a few cool weapons w/nice skills
>plenty of equipment in general
>criticisms from AoA acknowledged with effort put in to deal with them

Gonna interject here and say there's easy proof of this:

5pq02r

Captcha thinks this is spam so just google, hit the second result and scroll down.

So at least 3 bosses confirmed.

>bigger than AoA
>humanity faced warrior (pic related) not too big of deal, because the other stuff in the dlc is much bigger
>trailer shows 'nothing' in comparison to some of the stuff in the dlc
>some major and/or unfinished plot threads will be continued

My personal opinion is that this will be the angels and obviously some stuff to do with humanity. I'll explain in my next post.

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>>167261771
yes, you may have a fresh baked cookie.

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Anyone in here ever run a STR/INT build? How did that go? Any tips? Im not even sure what weapon Id use or what spells, I just vaguely like the idea of playing a strongmage

Crystal greataxe? I dunno

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>>167262313
Forgot pic

>>167262478
wait so that's a boss?

>>167262313
>>bigger than AoA
anyone can speed run through the 1st DLC in 30 mins.
that makes me sad knowing this.

>>167252348
hey everyone
I want to start playing Dark Souls. I have a ps3 and I was wondering if I should get the original Dark Souls with all the DLC's or Dark Souls II but just the base game.
What are your thoughts?

>>167262623
>wait so that's a boss?
I doubt it.

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So why the firekeeper dances like a retard when i use path of the dragon emote near her?

>>167262745
Get the original. It's definitely the best place to start.

>>167262820
because she's cute

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>>167262820
>So why the firekeeper dances like a retard
shes spinning like a beautiful butterfly you cold hearted fuck! - no really though its just a easter egg. its for fun.
>>167262745
>>167262745
>I have a ps3
nigger play demons souls 1st. its so fun!
fuck it buy all the souls games anon - they're all worth it

>>167262745
play the first one and then get the second one just so you can hate on it like the kool kidz.

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>>167262820
Post firekeeper cutes

>>167262745
Base DS2 is shit, DS1 is infinitely better

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>>167262996

>>167262963
I found the 2nd one very gripping.
1st is a classic yes but man between vendrick , Nashandra and Aldia and found myself enjoying the story more and more.
and my god the DLCs in 2 were amazing. all beautiful filled with atmosphere and amazing boss fights. especially the sunken DLC - Squalid Queen had such an amazing voice.

>>167262820
Because shes you're waifu silly anon.

>>167262820
>>167263143
>>167262996
would worship her feet forever

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>>167259521
>fat guts

>>167262664
>Speedrunners can go through a game quickly
Wow, who would've guessed?

>>167262664
I can clear any DLC but ToH in 30 mins if I feel like it

>>167263286
you couldn't do that in the other dlcs - especially in 2. that's why its sad.
1 MAIN BOSS
1 Optional boss.
DLC is over. very disappointing but beautiful to look at.

>>167262664
you're autistic if you think it's impossible to clear any souls dlc in the same time

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>>167262996

>>167263430
You must be really bad at the game if you can't clear at least Shulva in 30 mins if you feel like it.

I do that all the time rushing for drakeblood

>>167263286
Speedrunners get through the DLC in like ten minutes. An average player can get through in less than an hour first time if they're already at the level for it. If you told me you got through AotA in less than an hour first try I'd have a hard time believing it.

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>>167263143
What are the lore implications of this image? Why is it so comfy?

>>167263640
Is that masturbation?

>>167263430
A single DS2 DLC run-through without bosses takes approximately 12 minutes
Add 3 minutes per boss at most.

>>167262664
>an open area is open
Holy fucking shit batman.
Are you retarded by chance?

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beating a dlc in 15 mins makes you good?
please tell me more about you shitty NG play through.
NG7 some boss fights literally take over 3-5 mins.

>>167263854
We're arguing NG DLC time, which is the mode DLCs stats are balanced around

>>167263854
I really wish the new game went up higher. 15+ would of been nice.

>>167262437
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/142032
Equipment is whatever, but try and go for a similair stat/ring setup. My biggest problem with int/str and fai/str is the amount you have to invest in vit and att.

>>167263950
>>167263854
I'm hitting new game 7 when the new dlc comes out. I want the full souls experience. I want to get rektd and git gud

>>167264076
I bet if we asked your weapon and SL you'd soon show you're not wanting to git gud

>>167261138
Literally just starting over, not even to high wall yet. Looking forward to chloranthy though.

Claymore is starting to grow on me though. Using the rolling r2 I've been able to trade, and staying at longer ranges I'm hitting that backstep r1 more often.

Miss more often too, but better to miss than die.

>>167262745
DS1 / DeS are the best games to start the franchise with.

>>167264135
stopped at 120
I use fist weapons. pokey swords and my fugs.

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>>167253373
>Also post /fa/shion

Anywhere have some detailed equations or information on damage calculation in ds3?

>>167252498

companies tend to put out mediocre as fuck games near console releases as a way to test the hardware, not surprising. At least it's nice to know from was always big on reused assets.

Help!
I've reached a girl on the tower near anor londo, I googled her questline and found that I needed to have done a questline of a girl I've never come across in the game called Sirris
Sirris was early game and I never remember her being at firelink shrine like the wiki says
Have I permanently lost Sirris questline in this game because I missed her early on in the game?
I remember that early in the game Handmaiden had the option of giving her dream casters ashes, but never gave her them as I didn't know anything about it
Now the option to give handmaiden ashes doesn't come up
Is that option permantly gone as well since that connects to Sirris questline according to wiki

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So the lightning bow isn't important, but the armour is. If you look carefully it vaguely resembles the golden fat knights feathered wings at the top of the grand archives. Not very concrete I know but then you have the angelic creature.

It's clearly different visually to the pilgrim butterflys (google em).

And seems sentient. It also has this scattering of particles going on which is very interesting.

Then we have the mysterious large women. There's something up with her eyes and we know Gertrude was blind and deaf, hence why she scribbled in braille of all things.

We also know she was the queens daughter, and so related to the royal family who are descendants of Gwyn, hence they are the same godkin and not human.

As far as the corpse in the cage, I think that's a red herring. There are 3 of the golden fat knights guarding it. They're not in the middle of rescuing her, they're trying to stop anyone from getting to it. They have wings, seem more elite than the other blue fat knights and use the divine pillars of light miracle to boot. Plus the cage is already open when we arrive. There are feathers all over the floor, and they didn't come from the human corpse clutching the miracle. I think it's plausible a winged fat knight swooped in and took gertrude away, with feathers falling behind in the process.

I think gertrude escaped and went to either the ringed city or happened to be in a place that converges into the dreg heap. The whole reason Lothric kingdom has gone to hell is due to this civil war between the princes forces and the angelic faith. You'll also notice that the angelic faith are found on the way to the grand archives.

Based on that I think that women is gertrude, though she could of course be something completely unrelated.

I reckon gertrude escaped to the ringed city, and maybe the primordial serpents (divine messengers) went there as well.

>>167264449
Yorshka doesn't really have a questline, but she won't accept any concords you've earned unless you've got Sirrus's gesture. You can still use the blue sentinel covenant to earn them and just turn them in next playthrough. You need to kill her to get her chime anyway.

>>167264809
Sirris hasn't showed up at the firelink shrine ever yet, and I've already reached anor londo
Where the fuck is Sirris?
Have I missed her questline permanently because I so far deep in the game?

So whats the deal with warmth? Ive never seen anyone use it in game, heard it sucked, heard its good, but mostly here Ive seen it described as hilarious. Why, as a troll tool to heal mobs and bosses?

>Carthus curved sword does less damage than the carthus shotel at 40 dex
What the fuck?

>>167264596
I think you're right and don't doubt, or at least I'm really really hopeful, that this DLC will be about Angels.

Only thing I'd pick at is
> this civil war between the princes forces and the angelic faith
I think the Princes are on the Angelic Faith's side in the Civil War, given that they're being defended by Lothric Knights in blue surcoats and Lothric's angelic powers (which were probably given to him by Oceiros through experimentation rather than Lothric willingly getting them through faith, but it might still have been motivation for him to join the other side). All the statues of Frampt near the Princes' room are smashed too, apparently.

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>>167265069
Its a powerful meme

Looks like they fixed the dancer cheese?

>>167265116
CCS is a quality weapon, it's shit as pure dex.
Carthus Shotel is in an awkward middle ground where it's too quality to be pure dex, but still more dex-leaning than most quality weapons. The horrid balance of the game's infusion system doesn't really leave a niche for weapons like the Carthus Shotel except to pretty much always be suboptimal.

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>>167265116
>>Carthus curved sword
is also a god tier weapon. AR isn't everything.

>>167264596

Watch the Angels have the same face as Sulyvahn. And if the Angels are associated with Dark, which is odd in and of itself, why would Lothric war with them? I think that it was the previous ruler who wanted war with the Angels, and the Twin Princes are allied with the Angels.

>>167265069
It sucked on release due to a bug. That got fixed and now it's incredibly strong as a heal.

What makes it hilarious is the fact that it heals more per second than the game's stamina-damage efficiency allows a player to deal. In other words, if two players stand in warmth, they basically cannot hurt each other

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>five minutes into DLC2
>you pass the Earthen Peak windmill
>"Invaded by Dark Spirit Jester Thomas"
>yfw

>>167265256
Yep, How are things under that rock? Dark hand still downs her quick if you want to get her early.

>>167265394
It's not that fast. You can only do that if you have a shield

>>167265069
it heals really fast and lasts quite a while. Generally speaking though, great heal will usually give you back all your health if you're unembered, and it costs the same amount of faith and one less attunement slot. If you don't plan to use a single cast to recover your HP multiple times, and instead op to juice up in a corner than go back out to whatever you were doing, then it's essentially inferior to great heal. On the other hand, if you're playing king of the hill with it, it offers more potential health in the long run.

>>167265138

All of them are smashed except one type, I forget which. That said, who was the enemy in the civil war if Oceiros was part of it? I imagine Ludleth was the enemy and led his men to the Kiln and gave himself to it, his really body and armor currently possessed by the First Flame.

>>167265440
He'd be a joke in DaS3 because pyros aren't nearly as good.

>>167265504
>and instead op
opt*

>>167265584
I hope this is a joke because DS3 pyros are the best in series.

>>167265440
>drops lingering flame pyromancy
UNF

>>167265670
this

though that depends on how you define "pyro" in ds1

>>167265049
The Dreamchaser's Ashes are the ones at the Old Wolf of Farron. Are you SURE you have them?

>>167265292
>why would Lothric war with them?
Because Lothric is incredibly pro-Fire. They worship the sun, the royal family is obsessed with turning out a child capable of linking the fire and they're probably the ones who recreated Firelink Shrine and are therefore responsible for the events of the game. If Angels are Dark, or even just against linking the fire for other reasons, that's reason enough for the faith to be considered heretical.

>>167265535
The civil war was between the Three Pillars and the Angelic Faith. Ludleth is from Courland, so a war with him would just be a regular war, not a civil war.

Gertrude was visited by the Angels and started a religion based on them. The religion was considered heretical by all Three Pillars, but we don't really know why - maybe they were pro-Dark, or at least against linking the fire. So, a war is waged between the Three Pillars and those in the kingdom who've taken up the Angelic Faith. Even though the Angelic Faith is considered heretical, the Scholars still experimented on Gertrude (or at least her chime) in order to see what was up with any powers she had, and that research was probably used by Oceiros to give Prince Lothric Angelic powers in an attempt to make him more fit to link the fire.

P. Lothric probably joined the Angel's side of the war because the First Scholar made him doubt linking the fire was the right thing to do, plus he'd been experimented on his whole fucking life and was a cripple due to his father's obsession with it. His angelic powers might have weighed into the decision.

But, by the time of the game the civil war is probably long over because all the soldiers on both sides have long since gone Hollow. It's still sort of being fought by the leaders of each side (the Princes for the Angels, Emma for Lothric seeing as Oceiros is long since insane) who presumably direct the Hollow knights, but the knights themselves are beyond giving a shit.

>>167265584
This time
> he knows Tranquil walk of peace
>can use fire surge as effectively as a decent pvper
>Spams vestiges with infinite fp
>chugs up to 5 times
>Invades indoors with no cliffs to cheese him off
>drops his set with identical special abilities as ds2

>>167265731
>lingering flame
I really want to have this back just for making people confuse it with warmth. Casting warmth to heal people after fightclub matches only to pop lingering flame instead when they were low was hilarious.

>>167265779
Yes
I joined rosalias covenent at one point in the game, not anymore though
After doing some googling I've found that offering paletongue permanently kills the questline, which I have done early in the game (as offer stuff to every covenent place I come across)
So I have permanently killed my chances at getting the dark noon covenent because at one point I joined a random covenent that happened to be against the dark moon even though I know longer have covenent equipped?
What a shitty game desigm

>>167265584
>>167265670
>>167265731
I think he'd be easier for a different reason.
He was nuclear in DaS2 because DaS2 pyros have more area denial, so most of the time he'd just pop a warmth and then continue spamming firestorms and fire whips, keeping you away from getting close.
DaS3 pyros deal more damage and faster, but I think it'd be easier to just get really close to Thomas and stunlock him repeatedly.

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>>167264206
Early on you get gang banged a lot so the 1 handed r1 is good. It's a wide sweeping attack so you might want to use that.

>>167265138
Yeah that's a very good point that I overlooked. If the blue knights are angelic faith/princes, then who do the red knights serve?

>>167265292
Here's where it gets murky. The winged knight set reads:

>Worship of the divine messengers was viewed as heresy in Lothric and unrecognized by any of the Three Pillars of rule.
>This is believed to be why Gertrude, the Heavenly Daughter, was imprisoned in the lofty cell of the Grand Archives

So neither the knights, the priestess or the scholars worshipped the divine messengers. Gertrude's worship of them is what got her imprisoned. However, nowhere does it state that Lothric kingdom initially was at war with the angelic faith. It's worshipping the divine messengers that's the problem. So based on that I'd assume the angels aren't allied with dark in that sense.

Now for why I don't necessarily see the link between twin princes and the angels. There are feathers all over the twins boss room but lothrics magic/miracles are different to the divine pillars. Lothrics explode into particles whilst divine pillars leaves feathers.

https://youtu.be/YeR0l8X5Q2I?t=46s

Whilst lothrics magic is:

http://i.imgur.com/YdYXQdD.png

Plus lothrics teleportation has that circle on the ground that doesn't appear with divine pillars.

Finally, see lothrics holy sword:

>Prince Lothric's straight sword, blessed by Emma with potent magic.

It's magic is from emma, not gertrude or the angels, and is referred to as sacred light. I doubt it means sacred with regards to the angels as emma doesn't seem like she's pro angel, rather she's pro king oceiros/fire linking.

guys
guys
you guys
get this
what about
ok
what about this
you guys
QUALITY/HEX

>>167266383
DaS3 pyros deal less numerical damage, players just have about a thousand less HP on average.

>>167266350
No, you can still get the covenant, you just can't turn the rewards in. You can use the blue sentinels covenant to be summoned as a blue, and I'm pretty sure yorshka drops the darkmoon covenant badge if you kill her.

and sirrus tells you pretty fucking clearly that she's sworn enemies with rosaria's fingers

>>167266410
Jesus. I have to up my str soon so I can 1h it. That was stupidly fast for being so wide ay

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>>167266350
>join sworn enemies of blues
>get punished
The sinners pay the price?

>>167266383
I guess Ds2 pyromancy might have been better utilized by NPCs if thats all you're getting at

>>167266350
Joining the covenant does not do anything by itself. Using the Pale Tongue to level up with the covenant is the deal breaker.

If it's your first playthrough, stop using a fucking guide and just play the game normally. Start going through quests and shit after you've experienced the game first.

>>167266467
N-nani?!

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>>167266467
You mean mundane?

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If I made a DaS2 shitter cosplay build in 3, do you think people would get it? Like havels, dark magic, offhand painter sword, maybe a rapier or some sort of spear mainhand for ice rapier/helix halberd. Or maybe a katana?

But would people get the joke? Do enough people remember the DaS2 pvp meta for it to not just be a waste of time? Or is everything a waste of time? Should I just kill myself? y/n?

>>167264596

>then you have the angelic creature, it's clearly different visually to the pilgrim butterflys

I almost want to 100% say that it's a boss, from the environment it's in to the way it's presented. I'd hope they wouldn't flat out show the final boss, but they've done that before.

>then we have the mysterious large woman

it's possible, but you have to remember that gwyn and his children aren't very tall, gwyn himself is only around 7ft. Of his three children the only one shown large was Gwynevere and it was an illusion. Nameless king, if he is a gwyn child, is the only one with any real confirmed height to him, and even then he's only pushing 8-10 ft which is dwarfed by the large woman.

the egg she is holding is maybe the egg of the last demon & intro to that boss fight, judging from the background scenery, possibly making a witch of izalith connection.

>I think gertrude escaped and went to either the ringed city or happened to be in a place that converges into the dreg heap.

I'm of the opinion that the ringed city is the unnamed place that the old gods moved to, before the end of the age of fire, in DS1. Gertrude theoretically could have escaped there, assuming they knew where it was.

>maybe the primordial serpents (divine messengers) went there as well.

Dark souls 2 implies that at least one or more serpents got dissected in aldia, they may flat out no longer exist, but we'll see.

>>167266758
>Would people get the joke
Only if you wear Havels set with something resembling either turtle shell or jesters
>should i kill myself y/n
Y
Pocket bloodlust when you've been outplayed to simulate Alonne's sword

All these vaati tier mother fuckers should go neck themselves
Stop looking for meanings where there are none fags

>>167266758
Evangelist chest as a replacement for jesters.
Everything else is havel.
Chaos blade/estoc.

>>167263264
More like Gut, amirite?

>>167265292

do we know which of the two serpents was associated with the "angels"? Judging from Lothric's obsession with linking the fire, and the presence of serpent statues in the castle, it was probably Frampt.

and if the Frampt statues are smashed like >>167265138 says, then it's likely the Lothric children gave up the way of fire when they left the throne

>tfw you've used estoc/uchi since demon souls but people think you're just following the meta

>>167266604
I've been playing completely blind up into meeting this girl on the tower that didn't do anything so I googled what the fuck she does, and found I have missed an important questline

>>167266494
I've never ever met Sirris throughout the entire game, how the fuck was I meant to know she was enemies of Rosaria
She never showed up at firelink shrine like apparently she was meant to

>>167266604
I gave paletongue to rosaria so I have permanently destroyed the questline of Sirris who never fucking showed up like she was meant to after meeting anri anyway
How was I meant to know this playing blind

>Theres no reason to use the carthus curved sword over the carthus shotel on a dex character
Why can't from nerf weapons properly?

>>167267240
>Getting upset that you can't use a quality weapon on a pure dex and still get same AR
Why can't you souls properly?

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I wish I didn't fucking hate Dark Souls 3

So zooming out from the angels for a bit, let's look at the different factions that make up Lothric Kingdom and see whether they support fire linking or fading/dark/whatever.

>Knights
Fire Linking
>Priestess (Emma)
Definitely Fire Linking
>Scholars
Doubted the linking of the fire (see soul stream) so fire fade
>Black Hand
Served the king and Gottard helps you kill some bosses on the way so Fire Linking
>King Oceiros
Gone crazy so probably doesn't care either way. Could potentially be 'age of grey' or dragon worship.
>Queen
Queen is mysterious, but we know she alone visited the untended graves and hoped an ashen one could benefit from her ring, so maybe she's pro fire in an abstract sense.
>Twin Princes
Fire Fade
>Angelic Faith (not part of the kingdom but has a following within it)
Unknown, they seem to care mainly about gertrude. Primordial Serpents could be the heavenly messengers so who the hell knows.

>>167266873
>he's only pushing 8-10 ft which is dwarfed by the large woman
Yeah this is a flaw in my theory, but then again look at how big lorian is and he's gertrudes (step) brother.
>the ringed city is the unnamed place that the old gods moved to, before the end of the age of fire
That would be so good which is why I think Memezaki won't do it. Interestingly, the ringed city is called the city of the pygmies. whatever that means;
http://imgur.com/a/83M79

>Dark souls 2 implies that at least one or more serpents got dissected in aldia, they may flat out no longer exist, but we'll see.
We know Kaathe is dead thanks to the japanese games subtitles when Yuria dies;
>Kaathe I have failed thee.

Where did you get that stuff about the serpents dissected in aldia? Sounds very interesting.

>>167267058
How you doin buddy. Tough day?

FC

>>167267173
>even though the meta has long since moved on, still too insecure to use dark sword
It was my favorite wep in das1 :(

>>167264331
How is damage calculated in ds3?

>>167267514
There's multiple types of knights. Red ones are most likely for fire linking, but blue ones are protecting Lothric who is against it.

>>167267402
You're probably a dumb dasdreck lmao.

>>167252348
In dark souls 2, is the magic mace the best in the game for a sorcerer as a melee weapon?

>>167267380
Carthus curved sword was good as quality, but it was always a dex orientated weapon. Its stupid how they nerfed it and now its worse than the shotel. They fucked up.

>>167267896
The best melee weapon for sorcerers is the Blue Flame
Magic mace will carry you there though, as will the Fire Longsword

>>167267896
No. Blue flame bitch.

Or just short sword because its so good.

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>>167267514
Gee I wonder who could've been the Scholar and Lothric's mentor that convinced him not to link shit.

so what are the names of the two "unnamed" original gods, the witch and the pygmy?

I'm thinking, given the naming conventions of the games, It's Quela. It's a girl's name that means light,deity, kill. Does that sound right to you?


>Children are Gwynevere, Gwyndolin

name is Gwyn

>"children" are the Milfanito

name is Nito

>"children" are humanity

name is Manus, or, if Manus is actually the pygmy's son, his name is simply Man.

>children are Quelaag, Quelana

name is Quela

the conventions match up.

>>167267896
The best ds2 weapon for casters is washing pole infused with your element

>>167268050
What about the daughters of Manus, his actual children? That's proof Manus is no pygmy then

>>167267990
It never should have been dex focused

Took me three hours with noclip to go through the entire game.

>>167266410
I think 'the divine messengers' and 'the angels' are one and the same. Angels are traditionally subservient to Gods in religion and act as messengers, after all. Remember, while Lothric is apparently on good terms with the Way of White, they apparently don't worship the old pantheon like most places: Lothric's religion is solely based around sun worship and fire linking.

I always thought the particles around Lothric's teleportation were meant to be glowing feathers. However, even if you're right and its a different sort of magic to Divine Pillars, remember that Lothric was a magical mixing bowl which Oceiros put as much shit into as possible to try and produce someone who could link the fire. He could have both powers derived from the Angels and Lothric's usual faith (including his holy sword), and even seems to have had some Dragon research done on him judging by his big clawed hands.

Ultimately though, whether or not P. Lothric did follow the Angels isn't too relevant. What matters is that he was against the linking of the fire.

>>167267164
Neither of the serpents are associated with the Angels, as far as we know. The Primordial Serpent statues in the castle are probably of Frampt due to Lothric's obsession with linking the fire, and those that are destroyed were smashed by the Angelic Faith.

>>167268008
Pretty convincing. I wonder how the royal family of lothric feel about him feeding their uncle or whatever to Aldrich.

>>167268050
Pygmies name is Anus

>>167268245
Took me 3 minutes to make ur mum cum.

>>167268185
>ds2 lore
irrelevant

>>167253008

>He betrayed his father

he didn't betray his father, he was actually exiled by the other gods, some time shortly after Gwyn linked the fire. I'm assuming that either the linking led him to become disillusioned with fire, His father was pressured in some way to do it which upset him, or he was just flat out the black sheep of the gods and was only kept around because Gwyn was there to defend him.

>>167266024

We never visited Courland, we don't know where it is, Lothric is a first name and likely the name given to the kingdom after he won. What it was called prior is unknown. Ludleth's ideal world seems to be Lothric in its prime, plus his robes and throne look like the Lord of Cinder. In addition, there's Lothric banners and weapons in the Kiln, meaning it was the kingdom of Lothric who made it to the Kiln. Who could have Linked the Fire, or attempted to from "Lothric?"

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Twice this janky piece of shit camera has swiveled that camera and made me roll backwards into his mace instead of forwards between his legs, he has so much health, my +7 zwei chips him, chipped him all the way down to 2-3 more hits and he wouldve died but then janky camera saves the day and shows me that dark souls IS SOOOOOO HARD. TWICE.

all of my why

>>167268442
>milfanito are relevant
>daughters of Manus aren't

You're a funny guy

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>>167268312
deepest lore

Aldrichs' age of the deep sea is just an age of dark isn't it? I'm assuming deep=dark or at least is some variation of it.

>>167268223
Why not?

>>167268050
Don't consider anything from DS2 to be a reliable source of information, it's a shitty fanfic at best.

Manus is most likely not the pygmy but simply a human from first few generations.

>>167268497
Its probably time to switch to a bleed weapon

>>167266383
This
Firestorm is a fucking joke in Dark Souls 3
No Lingering Flame
Warmth still pathetic
No one uses Fire Whip
NPCs have worse AI than in Dark Souls 2, so you could cast Vow of Silence and he would do nothing like Kriemhild

>>167267823
I don't know what that means but fuck u bich

>>167268539
Age of the deep differs from the age of dark because deep is composed from human dregs instead of pure abyss.

>>167267514
You're thinking about it too much, the developers fucking didnt

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>>167268532
>peering into an anus will reveal a bottomless dark
>initially it is a peaceful deep darkness
>but becomes the settling place of many a horrid thing
ALDRICHS' AGE OF THE DEEP SEA IS ACTUALLY TO MAKE THE WORLD FALL INTO SOMEONE'S ASSHOLE.

In fact it's Aldrichs' asshole. He needed to devour the gods to get big enough.

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