Mass Effect General - /meg/

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Are you guys looking forward to sexing the bunny people?

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Wow, I wish people would donate money to me to buy a damn video game.

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>>166884665
>baneposting in the OP
WILL THIS RIDE EVER END?!

Fourth for all ME: Androgynous romance options are shit! SHIT!

>>166884665
Another fine thread of Biowarepashing and waifuposting

>>166884852
>can't afford Andromeda
>can't put aside a few dollars to buy it a while after release

Please.

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>>166884798
You're welcome

>>166884858
I don't know what you mean. :^)

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>>166885000
We have a new mission: One of our own needs help. Our Bioware community has a legacy of helping each other when the chips are down and we need a hand. That time is upon us once again.

Many of you follow @Alex_N7_ on twitter and know what an incredible friend, father, & husband he is. Last year he had twins (The Nugs) and so all the money coming in is going to paying for baby needs, etc. So when we heard that he wasn't going to be able to play Mass Effect Andromeda because he didn't have a new console, we knew we could do something to help. This community has proven time and again that helping each other is what we do.

Alex has been a Mass Effect fan for 6 years and we can't in good conscience send him down the dark road of a Trump presidency without Mass Effect. So let's rally again! Please help in whatever way you can. Donate, share this fundraiser on your Facebook or Twitter - every little bit helps. Thank you, commanders.

Logging you out,
-Brooke (@WawaSkittleTits)
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>>166884831
>bunny people
how are those bunnies? i dont see the resemblence, look more like twi'leks to me

>>166884852
thats Tumblr for ya! *sitcom laughtrack*

>>166884890
they probably will be
here's hoping for good femtur cloaca

>>166884913
>implying it was ever anything else

>>166885119
For you.

>>166885174
>$400
thats 6 2/3 times the price of the game, what the fuck

>>166885174
What are they going to do with the extra $10?, and why do they need $400? It doesn't cost that much.

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>>166884852
Maybe stop buying hair dye for a month or perhaps try spending time raising your newly born twins instead of playing a fucking video game.

>>166885174
>>166885251
>>166885312
It clearly says they *he* doesn't have a platform to play the game on either. I was wondering why they didn't just buy the person a copy of the game and keep it to themselves instead of making some big todo about it. W/e I'm not going to shit on an act of kindness when a dude is prioritizing his own money on the children he's responsible for instead of games.

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I'm gonna marry Jaal!

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>>166885570

Not before I marry Cora!

>>166885570
How do you pronounce his name?

>>166885647
Dat ass <3

>>166885676
Like Y'all with a J.

>>166885676
Jawl

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>>166885498
yeah true, he couldve bought the console and game himself, but instead spent the money on his kids
good on him, and good on the people for giving charity to him

>>166885570
i dont even know what gender Jaal the Not-Garrus Twi'Lek is, but regardless, go for it man

>>166885647
but she's no longer fertile

>>166885676
see >>166885732

>>166885570
Al

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>>166885251
>how are those bunnies? i dont see the resemblence, look more like twi'leks to me

I'm pretty sure it's because of the nose. I'm getting Alice in Wonderland vibes from Jaal. I want to give him a top hat, a cane and have him talk to me in a jovial british accent.

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>>166885251
Jaal reminds me of a lop eared rabbit the way he wears his tentacles and the nose.

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>>166886018
eeeeeeeeehhhhhhhh kinda
their faces are too flat for rabbitdom, and no ears
also no necks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_dyXUp89c8

>>166886307
i still dont really see it

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>>166885251
>>166886018
>>166886307
Angora rabbits=The Angara

>>166886424
oh
fucking BioWare has the subtlety of vorcha nowadays

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>>166886424
I wonder if they had hair at some point while they were drawing up concept art.

>>166886545
Speaking of Vorcha. I like that they didn't have a name for the Kett as recently as a year ago and were just calling them Collector/Vorcha bad guys.

>>166886679
same here, adds more mystery and shit to their evildom
maybe theyre a sympathetic evil, like ME2 Cerberus?
probably not

>>166886863
ME2 Cerberus was pants on head retarded.

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>>166886998
ME3 Cerberus
ftfy
ME2 one had legit goals and shit, despite being, yknow, evil
but it was an evil you could relate to

>>166886863
ME plots have the same problem as just about every scifi series that involves superweapons. I mean the Collector base was a superweapon of sorts and I was disappointed with the Crucible. I expected combined Citadel fleets if Shepard made the right choices. Reaper invasion would have been destroyed with extreme casualties but galaxy would live on and rebuild. Instead we had a light show.

And I'd hate if the Andromeda will have the same overused scifi plots once again. Better to get the drama from Andromeda vs Milky Way colonists than from stopping some ancient threat again. Like helping oppressed fishmen against the Archon/whoever the fuck is commanding the evil fleet

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>>166885647
CUTE

>>166887120
I should have just said Cerberus and not attached any single game to it.

ME2 includes them going through the expense of bringing Shep back to life and then repeatedly putting him in situations where they don't give him a full intel report before sending him on mission (disabled ship). Getting their shit pushed in by a single mole who was able to set every droid in the building hostile. There's also the entire Overlord DLC.

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>>166887379
>mfw I unironically thinks Cora looks cute

>>166885647
Leaning forward/sticking her ass out and she still can't compare to even Aria's ass.

>>166887379
You're faceblind.

>>166887412
>There's also the entire Overlord DLC.
>"Shepard, please, we we're torturing an autistic person to better humanity."

Sounds reasonable.

>>166887412
>Getting their shit pushed in by a single mole who was able to set every droid in the building hostile.

Makes me wonder how Cerberus even got this far with people like Miranda in charge desu. Every single Cerberus operation in that game somehow results in everyone dying, and it seems comically easy for everyone else in the galaxy to screw them over with little effort, e.g. the Shadow Broker having their entire space station massacred by bribing one guy or the Blue Suns raiding a base and just stumbling upon data that could endanger their entire organization. They're much more retarded there than they are in ME3.

Their leader is also the most transparently full of shit dude in the world, makes no attempts to be secretive (read his Shadow Broker dossier for some cringe), and is genuinely convinced that you'll suck his dick at every turn even if literally every dialogue option Shepard picks is "I hate you and will leave at the soonest opportunity".

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>>166887241
what do you expect from BioWare? they can only do one thing good: character interactions and writing

>>166887379
wow, they uhh...
they kinda fucked up the mocap, eh?
still better than Tali's picture, goddamnit DykeWare

>>166887412
true, i guess im wrong

>>166887642
ME2 writing for ya

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>>166887762

>>166887762
Actually that is a problem with the scifi genre in general. It's kind of easy to make our band of the bold with daddy issues to go against some superweapon than actually dwelling deeper into political reasons of the conflict.

Which is a shame because Star Wars has had 8 movies and 4 of those have been centered around some planet destroying weapon. Wonderful galaxy ruined with stupid ass plots.I'm going to scream if Andromeda will have a similar plot about some ancient threat or even a hint about some hyperweapon.

>>166888037
>I'm going to scream if Andromeda will have a similar plot about some ancient threat or even a hint about some hyperweapon.

I think this is pretty much guaranteed. We're never going to get a game where it's just disparate factions fighting for their slice of the pie and you get to decide who comes out on top and who gets a serving of shit.

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>>166887982
i love making ugly characters in games
btw its OC

>>166888037
which is a shame, since Mass Effect is supposed to be very Star Trek, but quickly turned into Star Wars

>>166888204
but there is a game like that
its called Fallout New Vegas
true, its not space sci-fi, but its still a pie to eat

>>166888204
I just want a story about being a CSEC officer working some cases on the Citadel that eventually become entwined and lead to bringing down a Shadowbroker agent. Chase bad guys, shoot criminals, hunt for clues etc.

>>166888405
Game like that wouldn't sell. The vast majority want some "big bad evil ancient creature" threat. Which is too bad.

>>166888303
I thought of New Vegas while I was typing that and thought to maybe include "a game from Bioware where...", but yeah. I'd hoped ME4 would have been the Milky Way galaxy a little after the Reaper War and they'd open it up to you playing from one of the four major races with a plot related to establishing dominance after the reaper threat. Securing advanced reaper tech for assimilation, undercutting other races, unleashing new genophages, false flag pirate attacks on fledgling colonies. That sort of shit.

>>166888303
>its called Fallout New Vegas
>true, its not space sci-fi, but its still a pie to eat

It is, however, sci-fi, what with the laser/plasma guns, robots, mutants, and power armor.

I really love New Vegas's structure and ending. ME3 should have been more like that. You don't defeat the Legion with a superweapon (well, unless you take the House/Independent route), you do it by gathering up all the feuding factions and uniting them against the main enemy, while you also wipe out minor enemy factions causing them trouble and solve various issues preventing them from putting forth their full strength. The final battle against the Legion can be said to lack tension, since it's revealed to be damn one-sided and the results are never really in doubt, but seeing all your work pay off as the results show through is its own reward.

>>166888204
I mean I could accept a plot where oppressed Andromeda civilizations go against their oppressed with the help of the Milky Way colonists. Lots of drama, desperate fighting and dead people ensue.
>>166888303
I just hope that the exploration is deeper than DA:I in space.
>>166888405
>>166888473
It wouldnt sell because people would be "B-but I want my own starship n shieet!" Also gong from the slums of Tuchanka to Asari worlds in a hunt to uncover Shadow broker operations would be awesome.

>>166888480
>I'd hoped ME4 would have been the Milky Way galaxy a little after the Reaper War and they'd open it up to you playing from one of the four major races with a plot related to establishing dominance after the reaper threat.

That seems to contradict the whole point of ME1+ME2+ME3, which was about how cooperation made them strong and those trying to establish dominance were in the wrong. That's why the main humanoid villains were Saren and TIM, supremacists for their respective races.

>>166888717
I'm glad we're getting out of the Milky Way. MW was Shepards story and now is the time to move on.

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>>166888480
that sounds like a great idea, if out of character, since all the races are cool with each other now that all their problems are solved

>>166888546
the whole game was setting up for a conclusion like that, but that got thrown out the window at orbital velocity in the last fifteen minutes

>>166888625
hopefully, but i didnt play Tumblr: The Game so i dont know how bad it was

>>166888717
Yeah, I mean ideally you'd be able to play as a paragon if you wanted to and remind the galaxy that they were 'stronger together' or whatever. I was just wanting those messier kind of options.

>>166888778
I'm half and half on this. There's so much world building that just goes straight into the trash by moving to andromeda. Plus clearing the slate gives Bioware the freehand to just fall back on their usual tropes.

>>166887379

I can see this give or take about ten years and two to three kids. With Cora losing weight from the stress of raising said children. I kinda feel sorry for the character already, even before playing the game.

>>166888853
It was bad and most of the choices and consequences were text based. Way to go with the immersion.
>>166888916
After the fucked up ME3 ending I'm just glad that we're getting the hell out. Though I'll sacrifice my gf to dark gods if Andromeda 1 has twink/dyke Ryder as young pathfinders and they'll age a lot in the sequels.

>>166888853
>the whole game was setting up for a conclusion like that, but that got thrown out the window at orbital velocity in the last fifteen minutes

The Crucible was introduced in the opening hour bro.

>>166889091
>After the fucked up ME3 ending I'm just glad that we're getting the hell out.

I feel like that's just letting Bioware cheat their way out of having to explain shit.

Plus I'm going to miss the locations and characters of the MW. Andromeda doesn't really have any connection to ME at all beyond the guns, omni-tools, and SOME of the races.

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>>166889091
good to know that i wont need to spend money on it
>implying i would buy it anyway and not just pirate it

>>166889292
but it was never established as an ex machina device until the choice actually showed up

>>166889292
Yeah well, but Bioware has to make tough decisions. And usually it's for the best that the creators make their own choices instead of trying to appease their fanbase too much. Dont get me wrong, listening to critique and contrary opinions is extremely important. But players are among the shittiest possible customers ever. Just take a look at ME trailer comments and think if you want to make a game for such players.

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>>166889292
>I feel like that's just letting Bioware cheat their way out of having to explain shit.
I dont think they could. I think the reworked endings and leviathan was their best shot. And it didn't work. Hell, some of the time you could almost sense an attitude from Bioware in the dialogue.

its like fuck, dont blame us you half assed the story from the start and played catch up for another two games

To this day I have yet to actually do a renegade humans first playthrough, romance ashley, or jack.. guess that's the plan for next playthrough after this femshep... didn't feel right to make femshep renegade though.

>>166885251
Is there one of these for Miranda?

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>>166889494
you should, its a lot of fun

>>166889708
probably, but i have no idea, i dont save pics of Miranda

>>166889832

Well if I'm all renegade humans first, I'm thinking, that'd be the playthrough to hook up with Ms Humans First, in ME1 and 3, and Jack in 2.

>>166889897
Ashley being a racist is a meme, she'd hate a true humans first Renegade Shepard. But then, most dialogue with characters doesn't take into account how they'd logically react to your previous actions due to lack of effort put into recording lines for every possible variation. This includes romance.

Also she's fine with being literally cucked by an alien, so.

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>>166889897
eh, Miranda is more racist Shep oriented, Jack is more for masochistic Sheps
or you could have this be the one playthrough where you remain faithful

>>166890061
>tfw will never be pinned and crushed between tali's muscular thighs

What's better with CEM?

JAM or just the MEHEM?

>>166890061

I already had a playthrough where I remained faithful to Liara the entire Trilogy. No need.

I've also already romanced Miranda in 2 and 3 (and was disappointed in how it was in 3, so I don't think I'll romance cameos in 3 anymore)

I need to romance Jack but it's just going to be a fling for 2.

>>166887642

To be fair, in the beginning they were just some radical group. And only in ME2 did they get big. I'm pretty sure the original writers never intended for them to be anything other than crazy terrorists.

I'm guessing that writing a game story is harder than writing for books. With the game you have to take into consideration the limitations of technology and budget and as a result you end up having to recycle assets such as story locations.

>>166890161
what's the difference? other than that one version of JAM keeps the Catalyst talk?

I suppose if you'd actually want it to be 'canon' and thus increase immersion, go with JAM and choose Destroy, as then the events depicted could actually have happened without flat-out changing canon. The only problem is EDI still being around. But that's easily explainable.

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>>166890125
I know that feeling.
It hurts.

>>166890161
JAM is just MEHEM lite, so really whichever you want
i personally prefer JAM since it doesnt have those cringy cutscenes in it, but hey, its your game

>>166890185
alright, just giving you my two cents

>>166884831
>The females are taller because their legs are less bent
Huh, neat.

>>166886390
I think their necks are obscured by their armor. The females have them.

I know you feel this

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>>166890504
aww, i was hoping to make a shitton of JonTron references and memes about it

>>166890560
IF I MUST TEAR YOU APART SHEPARD, I WILL.
harbinger must have a stained shepard poster, the way he gushes over them
first for Harbinger starring in a hardcore BDSM porno

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ayylmaorabbits have no necks bump

delet BT

Mass Effect trilogy was all about Shepard's flying brothel. Prove me wrong

What does you all think Jaal's sweat smells like?

>>166891737
Peeps and chocolate

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>>166891737
New car smell.

>>166891881

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>>166891950
thanks senpai

have this ultra rare pepe as payment

>>166891950
>So, so far, we can tell that Tali would not smell nearly as bad as those filthy humans, her sweat's a drug and a natural performance enhancer.
This is my kind of autism right here. When science and perversion meet.

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good night y'all, sweet dreams of waifus and butchering nigtarians

>TFW will never massage Jaals sore, aching feet
>TFW will never rub cacao butter lotion on his hard cracked soles
>TFW he will never smile in appreciation for the hard effort I put in and reward me by letting me sniff his armpits
Just kill me now

>>166895354
kys yourself tbqh

>>166895354
Stop trying so hard to make Jaal the new Tali. It's not all that funny.

>>166895354
It was Talifeet tier.
End yourself post haste.

>>166885647
thicc

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>10
Seems we're back to the usual.

>>166898196
People are prolly disappointed with that new trailer so they're having a break. Have some leniency

>ME3 came out 1790 days ago
>ME1 came out 3371 days ago

>>166898924
The series will be a decade old in a few months.

Doesn't feel that way.

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>>166884831
what did they mean by this?

>>166887379
how can they fuck up that face this hard? how is that even possible? how?

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Lads.

;__;

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>>166900087
that engine can do better but they are using modified dragon age inquisition models that are essentially last gen

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>>166900728
this is beyond me, they had years to do make them look good and/or use updated models and integrate them. years! how is it possible to fuck up this bad? I just don't get it. shows what fucking amateurs work at bioware. EA should have dissolved it years ago.

>>166900904
>Kai Leng in ME2
>/tumblr/
you don't seem to realize what's going on here

>>166900968
typo you troglodyte

Keep spamming.

>>166901043
it's not me. keep believing it has anything to do with tumblr though.

Anyone else hoping that Andromeda is the Atlantis to the main trilogy's SG-1 (Pre-Season 3 Atlantis that is)? I mean it has the potential to go in that direction: stranded w/o support from homeworld, in a new galaxy yet people(s) are there, a new hero(s) that are actually more interesting than the original as (I hope) they have more dimensions to them. Its not like, at least originally, ME's writers and devs weren't aware of Stargate, especially Atlantis, given that both have a badass commander shepard that fucks everything that moves. I mean Ronon Dex is basically a human Wrex

>>166903268

>Sheppard
>Dex

MFW this was never in the show...

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>>166903268
I wouldn't be complaining if it turned out like that.

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what really irritates me is that they are still doing no helmets on cutscenes. just give me option turn them on.

>>166903417

Nor would I. I'm still not preordering or buying it till the reviews come out but if I see even one reviewer says something like, "If you loved SG-Atlantis you'll love this!" I'm onboard instantly. I mean so much of ME comes from the SG aesthetics and theme, especially the Atlantis series. Right down to the periodic culling of all intelligent life, mostly to sustain some higher race that sleeps between culls, but never enough to outright wipe out all life. I've always felt that was the direction they intended to take the Reapers but kinda copped out at the end for fear of Trademark infringement.

I mean the whole Sheppard = Shepard is staggering at times, right down to even appearance and equipment. The P90 is the iconic SG weapon and to wit the Mattock is more or less the best gun in the campaign in 2 and 3 and was used constantly in promotional art. Geth = Replicators (both created by accident, both seeking higher evolution through a sense of self, although, obviously, replicators are WAY more destructive), the idea that alien cultures have real world equivalents (Genii = Soviet Union, Quarians = White Army). Lots of stuff there, and if Andromeda is basically Atlantis, especially in how it would compare to the main series, well, that would be great, as Atlantis streamlined, in a good way, alot of the problems that existed in SG-1 that were holdovers from the start of the series when they didn't realize it would last 10 seasons.

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I'm still mad about ME3. I'm only itt to shit on Androgyny. Fuck EA.

Reminder: Bioware can't into perky titties.

Andromeda will probably have Denuvo, so I think the best way to see if it's any good is origin access and play the first 10 hours. I don't trust reviews nor Bioware anymore.

>>166904448
Hasn't Denuvo been cracked, already?

>>166904448
>>166904434

I mean I'm both still mad about ME3 and yet don't give a shit about Denuvo but I'm waiting till the reviewer's I trust and have near identical tastes with before I give them one red cent.

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>>166904497
not all of them and all months after release.

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>>166904010
Surprised we never got a Stargate game desu, I think there was a Xbox one in development at one point bit it must've been canned.

>>166904673
Welp, gotta prepare to completely disconnect from anything Mass Effect-related for a few months after release to prevent spoilers.

>>166904694

It's the same problem with Star Wars games, or Star Trek games or really any game based on an existing franchise: balancing fan desires, gameplay necessities, originality, and legal issues from license holder is a HUGE pain in the ass. The idea of 'cannon' has gone from some goofy fan thing in the background to the most important part of a series, so developing a story that fits within established cannon is more or less impossible as if it's big and interesting, why wasn't it in the movie/show/comic? Likewise if you use established characters, why don't they talk about it in the movie/show/comic. Facsimiles are pretty much the name of the game at this point. That's pretty much what Mass Effect is, a facsimile of Stargate, Star Trek, and a half dozen other Sci-Fi properties, but set in it's own universe so it doesn't carry any previous baggage. This can work and be great, like ME1's world building and story showed, but it can start to go down a bad path or just end up completely hollow from the start if the writers/devs don't appreciate WHY people loved the original properties to start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7eGgtNOE5M

>>166903268
what's the mass effect equivalent of a zat gun?

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>>166906578
Arc Projector

>>166898196
There's no hype for this game. Only BSN and the 100 people on the subreddit are hyped for it. Even NeoGAF is mercilessly shitting on Andromeda.

>>166899980
Maybe they have x ray vision and she's admiring Ryder's balls.

>>166906637
damn, that's a good answer.

>>166906740

I think that's largely because even EA doesn't think it's going to do well. They are not giving it nearly the attention or hype building they would other long running series, some of which (Battlefield) made less money than the Mass Effects. I think that is largely because ME:A is a test case. Seeing if the brand still can survive post-ME3-Debacle. They took litterally the safest route possible to ME:A so that it will, moving forward, have zero impact on the Mass Effect Games proper: they set it in a faraway galaxy, with characters no one knew of, but now wouldn't know of due to the first point, they can fuck with the stakes all they want and it won't have effect on the part of the universe we care about. Really, this game doesn't even need to have the Mass Effect logo on it as other than including known species and a few shoutouts, it's really not a Mass Effect game in any real sense. The devs have even said this game will *not* be setting off another new trilogy, which is a dead giveaway that probably either everyone of interest or importance dies and/or it's 100% resolved by the end.

I think this was done on purpose, so that with this no stakes game, they can see if the Mass Effect logo alone will carry sales, and if the community that pushed sales through 2 and 3 aren't completely burned by how 3 was handled. Basically, if this game sells poorly, it will be the last game in the ME series likely ever, if it sells well, it will be the last game set in Adrom, but we may get future ME games set in the proper galaxy.

Gut says it won't sell well, not just because many (myself included) are still very burned by both what happened in ME3, and the attitude EA gave us about it, but because EA themselves seem unsure of their own product, they aren't hyping it or doing much advertising at all, and I think that would hurt sales more than even the ME3 shit did. This will be the final fart in the end of the series. Too bad.

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>>166908202
I think it will sell OK, not record breaking but ok, normies don't give a shit about ME3 which is overblown by autists anyway.

The marketing is supposed to be some new strategy of leaving it late so people aren't fatigued by years of bullshit and the hype peaks around release time.

You might be right about them testing the brand etc, will be interesting to see what happens.

>>166909095

IDK what they're waiting for then on advertising though. I am the primary audience for this game (regardless of what the writers say): a white, late twenties, single male with disposable income, and the only reason I knew about this game was because of prior interest and play in the series. And you don't make heaps of money by playing to your established audience (sad truth we don't like to admit but that's the case). Like I mentioned off hand to a friend of mine that I didn't think ME:A would sell well and he hadn't even heard of it yet. And he's someone that WOULD buy it if he saw it.

>>166908202
While I do agree with you about this being another shot to see if Mass Effect can survive after the trilogy and how bad EA has been marketing MEA, I still think it's too early to say that it will be the last game set in Andromeda. Like you said, it's a new start and they can do whatever the hell they want there without touching the post ME3 mess. Bioware still could connect it to our galaxy in another game and do a soft retcon of the whole post-ME3 situation. 600 years is long enough for the galaxy to change. It would still feel off IMO, but that's they best thing they could do. Or ignore the milky way completely.

Another thing that's totally wrong is to assume that just because this isn't connected to Shepard or it doesn't take place in the milky way, this game isn't a Mass Effect game. Someone mentioned that this feels like a Stargate Atlantis scenario a few posts above and that's exactly what it is. MEA is a spin-off; it's Mass Effect, but different. In away atleast. From what I've seen from the trailers, it has everything ME always had: hub worlds, your personal ship, character interactions (with romance options), an evil alien force, some (hopefully all) classic ME species, some form of exploration, third person shooter+RPG mix. The only thing that is missing is the reaper threat and old characters. And that's over. What's different is that this is set in Andromeda and doesn't affect any things in the Milky Way galaxy. That's what spin-offs are about: make something new in an existing universe with vague connections to the previous entries. I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp about this concept. Sure, not everyone will like it, but do they have to?

>>166910184
>white
>male
definitely not bioware's audience

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>>166908202
>>166911406

>>166908202
>>166909095
>>166911406
>>166911860
At this point, I'm assuming the actual audience is the devs spouting Star Trek references.

It could still by some miracle, become a niche title or even a sleeper hit assuming they did what RPG's are supposed to do right.

So far, the RPG mechanics don't seem to be there so they have to do the narrative right which they have a bad tack record of so...

>>166909095
>The marketing is supposed to be some new strategy of leaving it late so people aren't fatigued by years of bullshit and the hype peaks around release time.

This. They just don't want to get burned like Ubisoft did with the last couple ACs and Watch Dogs.

Who knows how things will turn out. People are cautious, true, but places like this are hardly representative of the normie audience. Of course, considering how "well" AAAs did last year in general, that might not mean much, but who knows. There aren't many sci-fi space RPGs, about the only AAA space opera is Halo and the last big western RPG of this kind was TW3. So the game has all that going for it. It'll be very interesting to see how well it does.

>>166889479
>pic

Thick!

>>166887379

Who's the woman to the left? 'Miss Swiss' isn't very specific.

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>>166908202
I think EA just doesn't view Mass Effect in the same league as their other franchises. BioWare is never going to do Skyrim type sales and I'm surprised they've managed to survive under EA for so long when better devs haven't. I don't think Andromeda is going to flop. I think it will do OK sales wise and then be saved from EA by the mp nickel and dime shit they do. It's been a tough time for sequels lately and software sales have been down. Add to that they're releasing in a really crowded Q1. They'll just barely hold their own because like
>>166913713 says. There aren't many devs doing what they do.

>>166915379
Miss Switzerland 2013


Had you guys seen this bit about an ME1 style ammo system available via crafting?

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>>166915532
>Miss Switzerland 2013

Cute! The toupée needs to go, though, or be shaped a lot better.

>>166915532
>:ph34r: *smokebomb*

is this an actual dev for MEA?

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good mornin /meg/, did you all worship our lord and savior Zaeed Massani today?

>>166915532
holy shit, thats gonna be an option?
hot fuckin damn, thats cool

>>166915532
>Had you guys seen this bit about an ME1 style ammo system available via crafting?

It was posted last thread, I think, but didn't garner much attention aside from myself.
I think it's very nice. I do wonder though if there's a limit to how much you can increase the thermal capacity, and if you can go completely ME1 with it and have legitimately unlimited rounds all day.

>>166915991
Apply gun to brain my sweetest friend.

>>166915991
Morning

>>166915991
>did you all worship our lord and savior Zaeed Massani today?

yep, one of my favourite characters. How's his VA doing these days? Hope he's getting a lot of work.

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>>166916134
>How's his VA doing these days? Hope he's getting a lot of work.

>>166916134
He's been dead for a few years so i doubt it

>>166916134
anon, he's dead since 2013

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>>166915857
Not only is he an actual dev...

>>166917417
>Lead Designer
fucking christ.

They already got caught selling the collectors edition (game not included), so you know they're going to alienate the remaining fanbase by taking a knife to the finished product and serving up the pieces they removed as day 1 DLC, or some similar EA shittery.

Going to reserve judgement on the quality of the product until I see gameplay footage, but what I have seen, doesn't impress me.

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>>166917947
ME1 heat sinks seems pretty cool, what's the problem?

>>166908202
if they had taken the safest route, there would have been top class looking waifus in it and not those uglies.

>>166918263

He's writing internet things anon doesn't like.

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>>166916042
active reload like in gears games would be dope

>>166918651
Whats the reasoning behind them making women so fucking hideous in the latest games? DA:I had it really bad

>>166919340

Wouldn't that just be thermal clips, though?
Aside from being incredibly boring, Battlefront EA did have a nice heat system. It's basically the active reloads from Gears, but it dumps the heat instead, and you have to hit reload at a specific place before it overheats.

>>166919494
Female devs are threatened by attractive toons and subconsciously see them as competition for mates. They all secretly crave NEET cock.

>>166919494

Doesn't it take more effort to make an unattractive female character than an attractive one? I mean look at all the free to play mmo's with half naked attractive women as advertisement.

>>166920667
Exactly, why would they go out of their way to make them hideous? I mean just look at Sera

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>>166920870

Maybe it's because of a lack of illustrators? I've noticed ME does well with hard surface concept art such as locations and vehicles. It could be the same artist doing the character designs are doing the environment art. Even then though, Feng Zhu designed Rayne from Bloodrayne and he does mostly environments and equipment. Here's his site: http://fengzhudesign.com/index.html

I highly doubt this though, since BW also has the DA series which is fantasy, and started out making games like Baldur's Gate.

>>166900087
That's not Cora's face model. They've already said otherwise.

>>166922005
>They've already said otherwise
Because they'd get lawsuited otherwise.

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>RE7 Denuvo cracked in less than a week
Even more reason to wait on a crack for Andromeda if it's this fast nowadays

>>166922425
Also because we'd keep ragging on them for being so shit at face scans.

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>>166922427
good games get opened faster

>>166887379
Her ingame face seems a bit longer.

>>166922427
>>166922961

I wouldn't hold my breathe. WH Totalwar still hasn't been touched and it's been half a year at least. It's all up to the whims of the scene groups on what gets done when. In the case of Denuvo it's only CPY. And that's if the DRM isn't updated.

>>166923856
>WH Totalwar
Isn't nearly as popular ME, there's no way they won't prioritize ME

>>166912502

Personally, and I speak only for myself, I don't care if any game, this or otherwise, conforms to the standards of one genre or another. If they put none or almost no RPG mechanics in an originally RPG game, fine, as long as whatever that game is, is enjoyable.

>>166911406

I was the same one that said that it feels like a Stargate Atlantis riff, not a bad thing, but that said, it is barely a Mass Effect game. Put it another way: if I replaced all the known aliens with new ones, would you readily be able to identify it as a Mass Effect game? Bear in mind the same studio made KoToR, which in many ways is an Alpha Version of Mass Effect set in the SW universe (and set in a way that it for the most part had zero effect on the established canon).

As it stands it is purely in the cosmetics that it still constitutes a Mass Effect game. I don't know if that's a bad thing, a new IP is never a bad idea, but it's very hollow here as it is clearly an intent to test the water if the ME brand name itself, as a name, literally nothing else, is worth anything. It's new coke all over again. Testing to see if it's the brand name or the product itself that's worth keeping. With that analogy in mind, the division is basically "Coke" Brand Name = Mass Effect Brand Name, New Coke Flavor = SciFi Space RPG. I think it's the later more than anything that attracts people. If they, say tomorrow, announce that Borderlands 4 is going to be, all intents and purposes, Mass Effect Style, with multiple planets/vaults on new planets, with a hub space ship, and more story RPG elements like romances for example, would you, or any other Mass Effect fan jump right on board? I know I would. Cause it's that setting and style that attracts me, not the particulars of a specific universe. Maybe I'm alone in that sentiment, but I don't think I am.

>>166923646
It is not the face model.

>>166915532

Even releasing in a vacuum doesn't guarantee sales. I look at World of Warships. Effectively, there are 0 games doing what it does, but no one plays it in the NA region because they just dont advertise it as hard as they should. I'm, just concerned that the talking heads at EA will see poor sales on ME:A and think it is purely because of bad tastes left over from ME3 (which yes, will be a thing, I'm in that boat too) and that the data will be, IDK, tainted by not having actually advertised the thing properly.

>>166918651

You can't account for tastes. That's something in life you need to own and accept. As you get older you will learn that there are more opinions out there than your own and that, right or wrong, the people that hold them feel as strongly about them as you do, yours. I might not find these things attractive but someone DOES and that's all that matters.

>>166887379
Am I the only one that thinks she looks like Dr. Chakwas going through her emo phase?

>>166924096
there's a certain core fanbase of gearbox drones who love social justice and austistically grinding for loot and would buy anything borderlands related regardless of what it is

>>166922425
No. They've always admitted to face models even when their in-game incarnation was shit.

>>166924931

But that's not what I was asking. Lets take it as wrote that fans do what fans do; consume and love all media relating to what they are a fan of (remember fan is short for "fanatic" for a reason). I'm talking about people who enjoy a game, or a game series, but aren't a "BioDrone" or Gearbox drone, or nintendrone or any other person that would defend a company as if they are in some way related to it. I've played most of Bioware's games, but then I've also played most of Gearbox's, and Valve's, and really almost every major dev for PC. I like games and I don't discriminate for reasons other than crappy product. What I'm asking is, for many, is it the genre of a space/scifi RPG that attracts people, or the specifics of the Mass Effect Universe?

>watching the andromeda vids
>the arc has it's own AI

Wouldn't the council/council races be shitting a brick over an AI?

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>"Good morning, Shepard/Ryder, I'm your new sniper. Need to take someone's hat off at 2500 meters? I'm your girl."

>>166926138
>All those straps and pouches on bare skin

Ouch.

>>166925643

In the case of ME it's probably more space/scifi RPG than the actual universe. If ME:A was set in the Milky Way after the events of ME:3, I'd be way more hype to see how Bioware would handle it. So in ME:A's case, it's more the sci/fi.

However, if 343 and Microsoft came out and said they're working on a Halo RPG, I'd be more interested in the latter due to the universe the fiction is set in.

>>166926138

Speaking as a veteran, I think game devs should see what women in the Army look like, and how military uniforms do nothing to complement features, male or female. I'm all for eye candy but christ this stuff just looks so stupid.

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>>166926568
like this?

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You know one of the devs and one of the writers left the company late last year, these were people that worked on previous Mass Effect games. Game Informer has had someone actually play the alpha and their opinion was that it was very similar to DA:Inqusition in terms of gameplay.

>>166924641
To paraphrase Kant; "the judgment of taste is based on principles, for otherwise, despite our disagreements, we should not be quarreling about it." These waifus are shit because Bioware consciously subverted aesthetic principles. Pic related.

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>>166926568

>>166926568
They wear the same shit, essentially. Which isn't sexy, so people don't want that.

>>166926462

I mean I'll be 100% honest. The one, and only one reason I am even considering buying ME:A, is that there are jetpacks. I'm an easy lay for fun gameplay mechanics, and jetpacks are something that should be more common than they are. I get why they aren't, it makes level and fight design a pain in the ass, but tell me anyone who played Shadows of the Empire doesn't instantly want jet packs in every game.

I can live with any setting. Yes, I liked ME's, it was grounded sorta in reality, insofar as having the same established history as reality and using tech that for the most part, seemed plausible at times. But I also like SW's, and ST, and Halo too, but I hesitate to go straight into buying a game purely based on the universe. We've had too many lead balloons as of late: Battlefront, ME3 (ending, still pissed), SWTOR and many many others. Throw a jetpack in at least I know you are trying to do something gameplay wise, but trying to sell on brand name alone and I'll take my business elsewhere.

>>166926568
And real life sucks, which is why realism in videogames suck.

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>>166926730

Aside from her penis looking face, that looks good. I'm really into the flat-colour top with camo pants.

>>166926934
Same, if MEA sucks, i'm done with BioWare.

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i hope this time we get to talk more to the crew.

>>166925942
Yeah, council does give out licenses to develop/work with AI. This is pretty much confirmation of some Cerberus involvement in the plot when you put down all the links.

Jack Harper is The Illusive Man.
The Illusive Man was a mercenary on Shanxi during the First Contact War.
Alec Ryder was an N7 operator on Shanxi during the First Contact War.
Cerberus has ties to Alliance, is at times referred to as the Alliance's Black Ops.

SAM, the Andromeda Initiative's AI (or The AI's AI if you want to go full Bioware about it), was developed by Alec Ryder and his wife Ellen Ryder.

The AI leaves the Milky Way around the time of Mass Effect 2, about the same time that Cerberus has already taken the Hannibal VI from Luna base and upgrades it into the Normandy's AI, EDI.

I'd bet good money on EDI and SAM sharing a common origin (Hannibal VI). I wouldn't go as far as to say that SAM is just EDI 3.0. But I expect it was a parallel development with the SAM branch having different aims.

>>166926903

Hannah is cute!

>>166926958
People whine at not having helmets on in certain cutscenes or other stupid nitpicky shit that shouldn't matter in a fucking sci fi universe but women in their underwear in combat should be allowed because muh it's not real. Either it's all allowed to be ridiculous or none of it is.

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did we bring doges? i wouldnt leave universe without one.

>>166927161
>EDI and SAM sharing a common origin (Hannibal VI)

I think this sounds pretty cool actually. I wish Cerberus wasn't involved, because fuck 'em, but that would've been nice.

Unknowingly developing AI from the same original VI, or something.

>>166926730

This one actually looks like women I served with. Male in games also look off. Soldiers come in two flavors: permanently rounded, or permanently gaunt. Maintaining muscle mass of any real consequence is impossible in the field between diet and the type of exercise you get being localized primarily to legs and lower back. I remember I came back from my second deployment 30 lbs lighter and went from being able to supermax Pushups to being barely able to pass.

>>166926838

Ehh I reject that idea on the basis that Tali was faceless for the whole game series (for all intents and purposes). Likewise the most intriguing female in this coming game is the turian female which certainty can't be called 'attractive' in the real sense. Bioware can't make attractive females. They are either brutally plane looking (Jack, at least her face, and spacenazi) or going far too far in the 'over design' direction like Miranda who yeah, looks good, but you can do better. Meanwhile Tali with no face was as popular and Liara whose bald are basically the two most popular choices. And if it's cause of their T/A alone, well the new females certainty are fine in that regard.

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ME1 did fine with female armors. ME2 just went full retard with npc/squad designs and prioritized turning the entire franchise more toward the anime shit.

>>166927265
>People whine at not having helmets on in certain cutscenes
Didn't they make an option that turns this off and on?

>>166926958

Yes but harshing someone out of the fantasy by putting something just beyond belief breaks that trance and ruins the experience. Make the female soldiers hot, and even tool their uniforms to make them look good, but jesus at least let them be clothed. The best example of this that comes to mind is, embarrassingly, Ilona from CODAW. She's still good looking, and her uniform makes sure you know she's female, but it's at least believable. It's bad when COD is doing it better than anyone else.

>>166927265

I don't agree with this. My nitpicks are just that, *MY* nitpicks. I think female soldiers in their underwear are stupid, but that's because of my life experience. Nothing has to be 100% black or white.

>>166927542
THICC

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battle tits

>>166924096
Hardly. However, there's a lot more in-universe elements that make mass effect what it is. I doubt I would buy a ME game without any aliens that have been shown before. This is slightly related, but even with MEA, I don't like that Bioware left quarians out.

I would jump on a scifi space RPG like ME any time.

>>166925643
Both for me actually. I started the series because of the former and I stayed because of the latter. It's one of the rare series that does interaction with aliens right. Having said that, a ME game that's not an action RPG would feel weird.

>>166925942
Yes, but then gain, the initiative is a project supported and backed by private organizations.

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>>166927265
I kept helmets on, but that does nothing to address the stupid breathing masks they opted for in ME2/3 (looks like ME:A continues using them too, at least for PeeBee).

>>166927889
You can nitpick, but claiming to dislike one thing mainly because it's "not realistic" and be fine with another entirely not realistic thing because it suits you makes you sound like an idiot. Just say you don't like the thing, don't try to justify it.

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>>166927542

The female SPARTAN-IVs do look amazing in Halo 5. Those fuckin' hips and ass.

>>166927748

The first game does have good armour design. Skintight as an homage to classical sci-fi, but still looking very armoured when you get up to medium and heavy armour.

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higher quality

>>166928127

While I dislike the use of Forerunner technology in MJOLNIR Gen-2 and the Infinity, the difference between the Mark 6 and Gen-2 does look cool.
Even if that's just not how the UNSC does things, that's how the Covenant does it.
>"Blablabla, Forerunner engines on the Infinity, Commander."
Fuckin' what? The UNSC reverse engineers alien technology right down to the basics so they understand everything about it and can therefore possibly make improvements. Hence getting energy shielding for the MJORLIR from captured Jackal shields.

>>166927524
lrn 2 English better. Your syntax is garbage and you make no goddamn sense.

>>166928045
>a ME game that's not an action RPG would feel weird.

I always thought it was ripe for a RTT game (not RTS, since base building isn't practical in this universe) and a Point and Click Adventure could be fun too (TT style yes).

>>166928069

I'm gona blow your mind: Yes I'm being a hypocrite. I am picking something that is grossly unrealistic to me that I view as a problem while ignoring, perhaps even embracing other things, as equally unrealistic, that don't bother me one bit. That's what subjectivity is. It's the things that bother *ME* not you, not anyone else, just *me* and those things are (likely) different from the things that bother others. That's why the saying, "You can't please everyone" exists cause it's fucking true. I do mind the goofy unclothed females, but don't mind preposterous other nitpicks of others, and I am totally allowed to feel that way. You, can feel that I'm wrong, and that's cool, and I may be, but you can't change how I feel about it.

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Damn Javik had some cool armor/helmet concepts.

>>166928847
I was mainly talking about the fans who whine over little things that they find unrealistic in ammo or helmets or armor but then turn around and defend women on the battlefield in thongs because "it's just a game, it's not real" because they want scantily clad women. I find that extremely stupid even when I like looking at female characters wearing practically nothing.

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>>166927524
>Ehh I reject that idea on the basis that Tali was faceless for the whole game series (for all intents and purposes).

Even though Tali was faceless, she still had a great character design, probably the best of any squadmate (more so before all other quarian females used reskinned versions of her ME1 model, but even so). Her suit was very aesthetic and detailed despite her never wearing 'real' clothes or showing a single bit of skin, and basically told a story on its own from the first time you looked at her in all three games. And she got a whole new outfit in every game. I probably like her 3 design the most.

Large hips and a silky voice also help if we're talking about waifusim.

>>166929109

Everyone's entitled to like or dislike the things they feel that way about. And context matters. For example, in this, and other SciFi games, or in modern combat games, scantily clad female soldiers just don't make sense, and likewise unlimited ammo (without explication, ME1's was fine by me) is just as dumb (to me). Meanwhile if say Conan has a near naked female warriors... IDK it doesn't bother me, mostly because it's trying to look like a boris vallejo painting anyway. Context matters a great deal when nitpicks are the discussion. And, of course, again, you can't account for taste.

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>>166929470
she also had the best hips

>>166929470
>Large hips and a silky voice also help if we're talking about waifusim

I agree, but the point still stands: the complaints about ME:A's females seems to largely be focused on their faces/hair. Yeah she looks like a dyke... okay I agree that was my first thought. But put a bucket on her head and pretend she's a quarian... how is she anymore or less interesting than Tali *at this* point, given we know next to noting about her characterization. I guess I'm trying to say I'm more forgiving, and I think trying to measure the quality of the game or design intent, on the basis of the appearance of the faces of female characters is a bit silly, since, in this series above others, there are a wide array of examples where the face, specially the face, is not the most important part of the draw to a particular character.

>>166929503
And that's fine. All I'm saying is it looks retarded to whine over small unrealistic details with the main defense is that it's unrealistic and then ignore the big, very unrealistic thing and tell people who don't like it that 'it's a game, who cares about realistic?' Being entitled to your feelings doesn't make them look less dumb.

I'm not even really talking about anyone here because I don't know how you all feel about other aspects of the game. Just people I've known and seen doing this in general over time.

Her long hair, still wet from the shower, had been combed down her back in a wet swath. Hilda was sitting on the floor, her round, wet boobs still wet from the shower’s water. She dried off the water with a towel, which then became wet.

Hilda gasped when she saw a reflection in her bedroom mirror: through the slightly open door, she caught a glimpse of the chiseled abs and square jaw of the mysterious stranger who shared her cabin. She stood and spun around, her breasts swinging heavily with the momentum. She grabbed the door and flung it open, revealing shirtless Torolf (which is seriously his name) quivering with desire in the hallway.


Torolf was ashamed at being caught, but his shame made him even hotter – hotter for sex. He stepped into the room, and his bulging abs accidentally smushed into Hilda’s rich chest.


As Hilda’s buttermilk bosoms squished up against his granite abs, Torolf almost had a dick aneurysm.
“Hilda,” Torolf murmured thickly, his throbbing meat wand pressing against Hilda’s warm thighs. “There is a secret I need to not tell you: You are my forbidden desire.”


Hilda had been waiting to hear these words. Her heart was lifted on golden wings and soared toward a radiant sun of perfect joy. She saw herself and Torolf happy together, bathed in the golden light of love. Her snooch got all warm, too.


“Torolf,” Hilda moaned, her lush teats straining with desire. “I need you.”
Torolf, coarse abs pulsing softly in the moonlight, stood silently.
Hilda looked at him expectantly.
“Oh, sorry,” she added. “Torolf, I need you – sexually.”

>>166930047

Did you waltz into the wrong general?

>>166930047

At hearing those beautiful words, Torolf flexed his rough-hewn abs and Hilda found herself being guided to her soft bed by the sheer force of Torolf’s undulating midsection. She parted her thighs in anticipation, exposing the soft pink petals of her clunge.

Torolf entered her like she was a lottery. His engorged pecker pushed inside her and she felt fulfilled with sexual fulfillment.

Hilda clutched at the bedsheets with lust and ecstasy and her hands. Her spongy love mountains hurled to and fro with each pounding. Her body was like a beautiful flower that was opening and somebody was pushing their dick inside it.

Then Torolf moaned, arched his back, and suffered from dick Parkinson’s. He pumped in all of his hot pearlescent sperms as Hilda spasmed with so many orgasms!

The two lay still for a moment as the stinky scent of lovemaking billowed around the room.
Hilda got out of bed, still shimmering with orgasm. She glowed with contentment, like a cat who ate the cream of the crop.

She walked across the room and picked up her towel, still wet with shower water. “Torolf,” she said softly, “there’s something I have to tell you…”

But her bed was empty.

Torolf was gone, escaped out the bedroom window. In the distance, Hilda heard the fading sound of galloping abs.

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>>166926934

Have you played Vanquish, Anon? It has a booster pack, not a jet pack though, and bullet time. It's supposed to be pretty good. It's a PS3 exclusive though.

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I'm kind of split on this design, wonder what it would have looked like in Andromeda.

>>166930460
I think the design is unique but it's obvious why they cut it. This looks like it'd be a bitch to animate.

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>>166930306
>entered her like she was a lottery

>>166929916

I'd say, in the context of this game, my biggest "WTF who thought this was realistically was a good idea?" is that small size of the ships and lack of armaments. You mean to tell me, empires and 'nations' spanning whole arms of a galaxy and you have MAYBE 100 warships? And those warships have effectively zero effective offensive powers? I mean maybe it's me being a Navy buff, but the state of the Navies presented in ME are just so anemic it doesn't fit with the size and scope of the powers presented. It really pulled me out of the zone in ME1 when an entire "fleet" of human ships was essentially 3 heavy cruisers and maybe 2 dozen smaller ships.

All the other stuff I could in universe laugh off or appreciate as a needed element of game design. I liked the explanation of unlimited ammo in ME1 and although I think it was stupid from a 'story' sense, I understood the switch to ammo in ME2-3. I wish that the fact the Normandy was a stealth ship got more emphasis in ME2-3 since it was so important in ME1, and I loved how different alien's physiology was tied to the environments they came from in most cases, but I still think the Asari are stupid. There is no rational reason they should all be beautiful and feminine. There is zero reason on their world for evolution to go in that direction. I like the Elcor, it makes sense, and likewise the volus, and the Krogan as a prey species that somehow rose to the top is very reflective in their design, but the Asari... ehh it feels very fan-servicy. Like they had to check to box for "sexy blue female"

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>accidentally quick-saved
>can't get down
>last hard save was hours ago

Oh god

>>166930397

I'm a PC only fag. I wish more games had jetpacks though. It's like a universally accepted "awesome" thing, and yet they almost never appear. Even when they sorta do, like in CODAW or Borderlands:PS, it's always gimped and not the real, "Im flying" that they should be.
I was totally, 100% against buying ME:A until I saw the gameplay video with the jetpack. I hate what they did with the end of ME3 and their behavior towards the playerbase in the ensuing blowup was deplorable but.. damn I love jetpacks. I won't preorder, fuck that, but I will read/watch reviews very carefully to see how the gameplay is and if these are just COD-Like use-em-and-lose-em stuff or really useful and important in gameplay.

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>>166930615
>Like they had to check to box for "sexy blue female"

That's literally what they are. It's mentioned in the artbook.

>>166930615
>I'd say, in the context of this game, my biggest "WTF who thought this was realistically was a good idea?" is that small size of the ships and lack of armaments. You mean to tell me, empires and 'nations' spanning whole arms of a galaxy and you have MAYBE 100 warships?

Where the heck are you getting this idea? We get statements of thousands or tens of thousands of ships per power thrown around often enough, and all of them are heavily armed.

>I mean maybe it's me being a Navy buff, but the state of the Navies presented in ME are just so anemic it doesn't fit with the size and scope of the powers presented. It really pulled me out of the zone in ME1 when an entire "fleet" of human ships was essentially 3 heavy cruisers and maybe 2 dozen smaller ships.

Cutscenes can't really render tens of thousands of ships, hence why Bioware is on record as saying that the cutscenes get overriden by lore in the case of contradictions.

Also, remember that the last major galactic war was 1,400 years ago, so the militaries should be super small (which thousands or tens of thousands per power is for polities each with thousands of planets and hundreds of billions of people). We know that if they went into total war mode, they'd multiply their fleet sizes many times over in a short time. Humanity, for example, had a fleet of several hundred ships by the First Contact War even though they had minute industrial capacity and only discovered eezo five years earlier, meaning they produced several dozen warships a year including ~1 carrier/dreadnought a year.

>>166930615
I think a lot of things about the Asari were done lazily. Their designs first and foremost. Seriously, how do they get away with the little lore tidbit that every race sees themselves in the Asari? Come on, the moment humans popped on the scene, everyone would have looked at the women and said "holy shit, they look just like Asari". The idea that they see Asari as looking like them instead is strange. This would have been interesting if they'd suggested that Asari somehow look different to every species, though.

Then the fact that they can procreate with anyone and live forever would make the galaxy EXTREMELY overrun with Asari. They'd have to put a serious limit on how many offspring Asari could have.

>>166930460

Looks like the Gree from SWTOR, which makes sense.

>>166930935

Save editor is your friend. Play with your coordinates to fix your position.

>>166930941

They're not really jetpacks in CoDAW/BlOps3, though, they're more booster packs to improve agility.
Not the Jango Fett kind of jetpack.

>>166930558
oh yeah, 100%.

>>166930976
>Also, remember that the last major galactic war was 1,400 years ago, so the militaries should be super small (which thousands or tens of thousands per power is for polities each with thousands of planets and hundreds of billions of people).

The US hasn't had a shooting war at sea since 'Nam and really since WWII and yet the Navy is about 3 times the size in displacement than it was at the height of WWII. Russia too, and Great Britain in displacement as well (assuming they build all the QE's they plan to, the total Displacement of the RN will be a little larger than in 1942) And don't just go straight for the Cold War jugular; most of the standard displacement of both the USN and Russian Navies are post Cold War designs.

And even with the 'cutscenes' don't count, the fleet sizes just feel off. Likewise the power of warships. If the armor on the Normandy is anything to go by, she's got the equivalent of like 300mm STS. A modern AShM *now* can go through about 500mm of STS. Assuming a dreadnought in ME is even triple that thickness, we have weapons now that would be cripplingly powerful against them.

The only handwave I've seen to explain why the Navies of ME are SOOO bad compared to repears is that speech in ME1 where it explains that since they design the Relays, the weaps and tech advance along pre-designed lines. I get that and accept that, but common, bigger ships and fleets just really need to be there.

>>166931048
>The idea that they see Asari as looking like them instead is strange.

I don't like how Asari were handled but this isn't that bad. To me its the lack of Male asari that don't make sense. As far as looking humanoid, well, the realities of chemistry and physics say in all likelihood, any alien would closely resemble what humans look like. I know Convergent evolution is one of those things that people don't like to agree with or find hard to apply on a huge scale, but more and more examples show that some adaptations just work bette

>>166931152

I said, they felt gimped. Probably still the best jetpacks I've ever used in a game are Shadows of the Empire and Bounty hunter. Go figure SW's did it best, still. I still think the most glaring game to omit jetpacks was Saints Row 3. Yeah I know they gave you the ability to fly in 4, but 3, which was as close to 'realistic' as you could get of the later SR games, really was missing out on a jetpack... I really like jetpacks..

>>166930941
>Tribes will never not be dead
Feels bad.

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We'll never get to see traps with PoJu bodies in Mass Effect will we?

>>166931864
>The US hasn't had a shooting war at sea since 'Nam and really since WWII and yet the Navy is about 3 times the size in displacement than it was at the height of WWII.

I don't think any society in history has ever gone 1,400 years without a major war. It's an utterly incomparable situation.

>And even with the 'cutscenes' don't count, the fleet sizes just feel off. Likewise the power of warships. If the armor on the Normandy is anything to go by, she's got the equivalent of like 300mm STS. A modern AShM *now* can go through about 500mm of STS. Assuming a dreadnought in ME is even triple that thickness, we have weapons now that would be cripplingly powerful against them.

They have shields that can absorb dozens of kilotons worth of TNT in kinetic energy. Modern missiles are doing nothing to them. That, along with PD, is the primary defense.

It actually is explicit that most ships (or at least frigates) are lightly armored, simply because no reasonable amount of armor will save you from a hypervelocity projectile launched at a significant fraction of c. So it would simply be a waste of effort. Makes sense to me. Armor is primarily ablative and there to defend against lasers and proximity explosions. That's it.

>but common, bigger ships and fleets just really need to be there.

ME ships are already ridiculously huge to the point where it stretches credibility, a lot of sci-fi just doesn't have any sense of scale like Star Wars and its 30-kilometer flagships. Or the ludicrously small weight figures given for giant, 1 km+ ships in other franchises.

>>166931864
I think it wasn't necessary for Asari to look so "female", but why wouldn't they be unisex? By evolutionary standards, they don't need any sexual dimorphism because they don't procreate like that. There's no reason for any Asari to have different features in that way.

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>>166931864
>>166932569

The Asari were always developed as nothing more than jerk off material. The sooner they get killed off as a species, the better the universe will be.

>>166931864
>Likewise the power of warships. If the armor on the Normandy is anything to go by, she's got the equivalent of like 300mm STS.

I don't know how you got that assumption, and I don't know what STS is, but we've never had any specifications about the armour on ships.

And even if they are very armoured (which I don't think they are, at least not extremely so), everyone still relies pretty much entirely on kinetic barriers. A single round from a dreadnought, or even a cruiser, would vaporize a large chunk of any ship considering the amount of kinetic energy the rounds have and assuming they don't just punch a very small hole through the ship itself.

>>166930397
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>>166932325

It would be the absolute best character in Mass Effect.
>that pink nipple peeking out
LEWD

>>166932569

But they have dimorphic traits. Large breasts (milk glands are small by comparison to fatty tissue), slight builds (musculature is important), and other things. Those only make sense if a facsimile exists in the other direction, namely a male. Similarly, yes I appreciate their mode of reproductions doesn't need a male, but even ignoring the all-plot-cavity-filler ezo/biotics, how would that style of reproduction have come into existence? As in, what is the biological and importantly, chemical mechanism that makes this work? The Quarian's weak immune systems make sense given the explanation, and, as mentioned, the cow-like build and huge reproductive potential of the Krogan are perfect, but the Asari are really just outa wack. Likewise their lack of hare is the most glaring thing. They are mammalian, that's for sure, and their planet is similar enough to Earth that how they evolved without ANY body hair is just odd. The Quarians have hair, that makes sense, the Turians and Krogan don't need hair, they have body fat stores/plates to accomplish the same task (and Palavan is super hot right?) and the Salarians are amphibians so their evolution goes down a different path (to the same convergence as others, but different path to get there). The Asari however are more or less the same path and convergence as humans and Quarians, yet no hair.

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>>166932839
>assuming they don't just punch a very small hole through the ship itself

Projectiles don't 'punch holes' when going at thousands or even dozens of km/s. They explode.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervelocity

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a068463.pdf

>>166932839
>>166932519

The lack of armor and justification thereof, is something we made a mistake with in reality. We called them battlecruisers and they did not work out well. An armored citadel is always preferable (armored raft design was the best overall). And trading shields for armor is even worse, as armor always works, shields only work when the power is on, and likelihood is when damage mitigation matters, power may not be guaranteed.

As it stands, as bad as it is, Halo is the only universe to do starship design right. The guys that thought up those designs had at least a passing knowledge of how Warship design worked in the past and how trading speed for armor was always a bad idea and has never worked.

And again, I get that this was a gameplay choice, but the internal layout of the Normandy is more in line with a pleasure craft than a warship. They lack total redundancy, DC effects (where's the fucking hoses?), and too many things not bolted to the deck. Again, I'm a navy nerd, but this stuff bothered me more than anything else, just cause it showed the Devs did 0 homework on how a warship works.

>>166930976
>Bioware is on record as saying that the cutscenes get overriden by lore in the case of contradictions.
That's a load of crap. What if I just bought the game and I don't follow Bioware shit? Is that somehow mentioned in the game? Like, someone telling me "imagine there being 10 times the number of ships you see in this cutscene. We just couldn't/didn't/forgot to render them"? That is a pathetic excuse.

>>166933294
>and Palavan is super hot right?

The wiki says a surface temperature of 31 °C, however, the wiki also says that the Earth has a surface temp of 24 °C (it's actually 14 °C, in real life).

>>166933808
Global enhotment must've gotten p. bad by mid-22nd century.

>>166933808
>he wiki also says that the Earth has a surface temp of 24 °C (it's actually 14 °C, in real life).
There's references to how there's a lot of technology that was created to fix the damages caused by polution, so it's probably due to global warming.

>>166933715
>The lack of armor and justification thereof, is something we made a mistake with in reality.
>An armored citadel is always preferable (armored raft design was the best overall).

But even if that's the case, what good will it do if they get hit without shields? They're fucked either way.

>>166933949

The sea has risen by two meters.

>>166933795
>That's a load of crap. What if I just bought the game and I don't follow Bioware shit? Is that somehow mentioned in the game? Like, someone telling me "imagine there being 10 times the number of ships you see in this cutscene. We just couldn't/didn't/forgot to render them"? That is a pathetic excuse.

"We can't actually render tens of thousands of ships" should be common sense. Do you assume that the galaxy-spanning empire in Star Wars was limited to a couple dozen ships as well based on the final battle of ROTJ?

>>166933715
>The lack of armor and justification thereof, is something we made a mistake with in reality. We called them battlecruisers and they did not work out well.

Shields are the substitute for armor in this scenario.

>An armored citadel is always preferable (armored raft design was the best overall). And trading shields for armor is even worse, as armor always works, shields only work when the power is on, and likelihood is when damage mitigation matters, power may not be guaranteed.

Correction, armor never works. There is, almost literally, no amount of armor that will save you from the equivalent of several or several dozen kilotons of TNT delivered via a hypervelocity projectile (unless you're Star Wars and use magical materials). It is impossible. Don't bother with it.

Shields are really your only chance. If you've lost them, you're already dead in the water.

>As it stands, as bad as it is, Halo is the only universe to do starship design right. The guys that thought up those designs had at least a passing knowledge of how Warship design worked in the past and how trading speed for armor was always a bad idea and has never worked.

Halo's ship designs are absolutely retarded, especially since it is repeatedly shown that all that armor doesn't actually provide meaningful protection. Them using gun PD in particular is just unforgivably stupid.

>>166933715
Halo design is retarded precisely because they're basically seagoing warships IN SPACE.
In a setting with relativistic weaponry you might just as well be cruising around behind a ten meter thick slab of lead and it still won't save you when the broadside weapon mounted by the dozens and firing a couple times a minute hits like a tac nuke and spinal weapons can erase continents.

>>166934075

Again, misconceptions on how navies function and how naval battles play out. War is about taking and holding 'ground.' With that in mind you want a navy that can outlast an enemy at 'sea.' You can achieve that one of two ways, build stronger, more enduring ships, or build WAY more than the enemy does. Quality or quantity. But what outlast means is not necessarily have ships that don't get knocked out, but that even when knocked out, can be quickly repaired and brought to bear on the enemy again in the next battle. This is best shown by the USN in WWII. Despite the IJN having a vast Quality over the USN, it had neither the quantity nor the surviability, and as such, even when the IJN knocked out a USN ship, they would just come back. Worth mentioning is that out of the 9 battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor, 7 were raised, refitted and ended up being used to SINK IJN battleships later in the war.

How does this relate here to space and armor? Armor is designed to keep the ship afload and the crew alive. So even if it gets knocked out and forced to retreat, it still exists to be repaired. There are no frames inside the Normandy. It's effectively 1 single frame. So if you lose integrity in one section, the whole ship goes. This is BAD design. If you armor the hell out of a ship, and have tons of frames, yes, enemy fire gets through, and yes it causes damage, but it doesn't destroy the WHOLE ship, which can be collected and repaired and used again. Armor allows this to happen, shields don't.

Ship autist, go away. No one is interested to hear about how the Treaty of Farixen is actually the Washington Navy Treaty of 1922 and that dreadnoughts are more the equivalent of SSBNs rather than BBs given their planet destroying powers. /meg/ is for waifus only, the discussion of waifus, and for nerds to assist each other in masturbating to completion. Fuck off with the Kai Leng fucker

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>>166934762
>Despite the IJN having a vast Quality over the USN,

>>166934390
>Do you assume that the galaxy-spanning empire in Star Wars was limited to a couple dozen ships as well based on the final battle of ROTJ?
The rebel fleet has a very small number of ships, since it doesn't have the resources of the empire. It would make sense, in order to lure the rebel forces, for the empire to not amass their entire strength, because that would mean they would be expecting the rebels to attack. Palpatine explains it in his confrontation with Luke at the finale. So yes, they do make a point of it and explain it in a logical manner.

>>166934762
Except all you're doing by adding armor and frames to a small spaceship is adding more mass for the impactor to explode against.
You'd rather want it to pass right through and NOT dump all its kinetic energy into the hull and crew by providing it a convenient backstop.

>>166934838
Speak for yourself, this kind of autism is interesting to read and beats the usual waifu posting. Besides, Cora still has a man face.

>>166934762
>This is BAD design. If you armor the hell out of a ship, and have tons of frames, yes, enemy fire gets through, and yes it causes damage, but it doesn't destroy the WHOLE ship, which can be collected and repaired and used again. Armor allows this to happen, shields don't.

If your shields are down and you get hit, then the entire ship is fucked regardless because the absolute weakest shots thrown around by the absolute weakest ships are on-par with tac nukes except with a more efficient method of transferring energy, while the main guns of the 'poor bloody infantry' cruisers are a couple orders of magnitude above that. And then dreadnought guns are an order of magnitude above that.

You don't seem to be understanding this. When every projectile is fired at a significant fraction of c, armor does nothing to help survivability.

>>166934390
>Star Wars was limited to a couple dozen ships as well based on the final battle of ROTJ?

To be fair they rendered hundreds of capital Imperial Ships in ROTJ, they just didn't do shit for plot reasons.

>>166934675

I disagree with that entirely. The insides of the Halo ships are labyrinths, which is actually a GOOD ship design, as it makes flooding (in this case, venting) much more difficult as you can drop water (air) tight doors to seal off frames. The ship also has enough internal supports to absorb hits and maintain structural integrity even if sections are damaged. Yes a relativistic projectile is going to hurt like a mother, but the difference in having armor is losing half the ship and losing the whole ship. Armor acts as a way to ensure the most important parts of the ship aren't lost even if MOST of the ship is, as the those parts, like engines and weapon systems, are usually the most expensive and difficult to manufacture, while crew spaces and control spaces, can be rapidly repaired in a refit.

>>166935124
Fuck off back to /tg/

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Can anyone explain to me the unprecedented levels of nitpicking and hatred this game has been getting? I'm not even talking about /v/, hating on games is par for the course there. But even reddit and neogaf are sharpening their knifes over this game already. Calling it generic looking with boring characters, based entirely on the trailers.

What the fuck were people expecting out of this game exactly? What I've seen in the trailers so far is pretty much in line with Mass Effect since the 2nd game.

>>166935029
>The rebel fleet has a very small number of ships, since it doesn't have the resources of the empire.

So the galaxy-spanning Rebel Alliance that was supposed to have fought for decades against the empire only has 0.1% of the ships? Remember also that in a literal life or death situation for the entire Rebel Alliance in this grand galactic war, they managed to muster a few fighter squadrons for the assault on the Death Star. And in the same situation for the second Death Star, they had a few fighter squadrons and a couple dozen other ships. So, apparently, the loss of a couple dozen warships on Scariff in Rogue One was a crippling blow. Are we to assume that was the bulk of their forces and the entire rebellion has fewer than 100 ships, including small ones like corvettes?

Think of any space battle of significance in Star Wars. How many have tens of thousands of ships? None? Even though with the scale constantly talked about every major power worth its salt should have hundreds of thousands of warships.

>>166935283
>To be fair they rendered hundreds of capital Imperial Ships in ROTJ
Rebel fleet and Imperial fleet where about the same size. Empire should have a significantly larger number of ships on site, if the entire Imperial fleet was amassed.

>>166935503
>0.1% of the ships?
Where the fuck did I claim that? Show me where I said that. I only pointed out that the rebel alliance, lacking the Empire's resources should and does indeed have significantly less ships than the empire. You are misquoting me and twisting my words to fit your narrative. There are some of you that do it here every time I try to have an argument? Why do you keep doing that? Can't we for once have a civil argument without you exaggerating and twisting my words?

>>166930941
it challenges level design. areas you couldn't reach by walking/jumping onto were literally not accessible, which is a big part of level design, making them accessible later on through features or simply unlocking lifts or doors you weren't able to unlock earlier.
imagine how you could have cut corners in most mass effect 2 or 3 levels if there was a jetpack. looking at you, flying Samara and Liara...
another example is flying mounts in world of warcraft. original game didn't have them, got put into the game in the first expansion. you still couldn't fly in the original game parts because the whole terrain wasn't designed for flying (mountains walling off areas which were basically just high walls looking like mountains and behind them there was nothing etc). in a later expansion they allowed flying in the original areas but that involved a complete and total overhaul of them.

>>166935283
I'm not defending Normandy-tier interior design.
But relativistic weapons are a one-hit-from-this-and-its-all-over affair for small ships, and Halo's discrepancies don't matter here.
In a setting with relativistic weaponry all armor is ablative by nature and the only way to gain a useful degree of protection is by lugging a shitton of mass and volume around.
The Collector ship is actually a very good example of this.

>>166935352
There's a lot of ill will toward BioWare after ME3's ending and DA:I and you get this hyperactive skepticism as a result. There's also some legit criticism; the cast does look boring so far, the new alien designs are derivative of stuff we've seen before, the alien worlds are not especially alien.

I'm not so happy about the cast for the most part. But I dig the open world stuff and am hoping we get a vibe closer to ME1 than ME2 and 3. If it manages to not get bogged down with a lot of collect X resources quests, I'll be happy.

>>166934852

I did. Ship-to-ship, the IJN boats were better on a 1 to 1 basis. The big seven? The Nagato totally outlined the Colorado. The Yamato was launched a full 3 years before the USN had anything even similar in quality. But that was 4 IJN battleships which, in the same time frame, the USN launched 12. So even assuming each one could kill 2 to 1, which is neigh improbable, that still leaves a HUGE advantage in the USN. Don't be fooled by propaganda and myth, the US Military has ALWAYS been based on Quantity over quality, and truly embodies the idea that Quantity has a quality all of its own.

>>166935146

Okay the nuke thing needs to be nipped in the bud. Nukes in space don't work the way they do on the ground. A 10 MT warhead in space would BARELY have the same effect as say... a 20 inch projectile at 870 MPS. It's a physics thing you can research on your own but suffice to say the reason nukes work on earth the way they do is due to there being an atmosphere to heat up, air to carry vibrations, and that the relative 2D plane that most things exist on, on the surface of the earth, is condusive of a nuclear weapon.

You are mixing up POWER and Momentum, both of which are separate from how penetration mechanics work.

Let me put this another way. If I had 20 inches of steel in space, and set a nuke off next to it, it wouldn't penetrate much further than a few mm. And a relativistic projectile is going to have more penetrating power, but depends on a WHOLE lot of other factors such as angle of attack, difference in materials, and at those speeds, and given space lacks gravity, what type of impact is taking place (elastic or totally elastic).

>>166935745
>Where the fuck did I claim that? Show me where I said that. I only pointed out that the rebel alliance, lacking the Empire's resources should and does indeed have significantly less ships than the empire.

I thought we were talking about the difference of what's shown on-screen vs what is stated or makes sense. If that was your intent then the argument "the rebels have fewer ships" is a non-sequitur UNLESS you were trying to say they had like a thousandth the ships of the empire, which I assumed was the line you were going for. Because no other disparity would suffice in this scenario. If the rebels can only muster a couple dozen ships for a super important final battle, and the empire can't muster several orders of magnitude more than that (which they shouldn't be able to), then both their fleets are improbably tiny.

>>166935935
>But that was 4 IJN battleships which, in the same time frame, the USN launched 12. So even assuming each one could kill 2 to 1, which is neigh improbable, that still leaves a HUGE advantage in the USN.

In actuality the USN was sinking 2.5 tons of Japanese warships for every 1 ton they lost.

>Okay the nuke thing needs to be nipped in the bud. Nukes in space don't work the way they do on the ground.

I know, which is specifically why I mentioned it's not a nuke and is much more efficient than a nuke: it's a hypervelocity projectile with the equivalent of a nuke's TNT equivalent. This, incidentally, is another reason why Halo's depiction of space navies is retarded. They use nukes, which should be useless in space.

>>166935935
>nukes in space
Nukes in space are weaker because they don't have an atmo to dump energy into on top of being extremely inefficient to begin with.
R-projectiles dump their entire energy into whatever they hit, with a 100% kinetic-energy-to-heat conversion ratio.
> And a relativistic projectile is going to have more penetrating power
Relativistic projectile doesn't penetrate.
> angle of attack
Relativistic projectiles don't ricochet either.
>difference in materials
Doesn't matter beyond the hull's specific heat.
>elastic or totally elastic
Neither at r-speeds.
Relativistic projectiles behave more like clouds of particles rather than solids the faster they go.

>>166935124

I'm with this anon. We learn new things, such as the lack of redundancy that the Normady had for being a warship.

I'm still kind a sore we didn't get more grand naval battle cutscenes, especially against the Reapers. Most of the naval war assests we got in ME3 we didn't get to see in action.

>>166933294
There are a couple of vertebrates capable of parthenogenesis, but I suppose you could put their evolution down to intervention by the Protheans as an experiment.

>>166932325

Is Po-Ju a favourite of yours?

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>>166935745
>Rebel fleet and Imperial fleet where about the same size.

If we're gona nerd out, we're gona nerd out. That's just 1 image of the Imperial fleet in ROTJ, and there are many more. The Imperial fleet, as rendered in the movie with models, is about 100 ships of varying size (not just due to scale). The Rebel fleet, baring fighters (which are likewise ignored for the imperials) is only about 23 depending on opinions if the same transports are being shown twice. Also, by and large, the imperial fleet is comprised of MUCH larger ships as well.

>>166935809

Read up on penentration. I think you will be surprised how little the speed of the projectile, in an environment, will matter against armor. You are kind of parroting stuff you heard in game, but it's clear that the designers didn't take a class on armor design or how penetration works. It isn't simply m*v=momentum = somehow how much armor is penetrated. Space makes this WAY more complicated since you take gravity out of the equation for all intents and purposes, and now have the potential for a totally elastic impact. A relativistic shot hitting the side of a heavily armored target, at anything but a straight shot, is far more likely to send both target and projectile spinning apart from each other rather than penetrating. And a straight shot can penetrate, but depends on projectile composition, armor thickness and composition, structural integrity of the target and about 100 other variables.

Simply put, launching a metal ball at 0.1% c most likely, IN SPACE penetrate anything more than... back of the head math says 700mm of armor of an stronger material (and armor is 100% of the time made of a stronger material than projectiles due to how firing a weapon and barrels have to work.

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>>166935283
>which is actually a GOOD ship design, as it makes flooding (in this case, venting) much more difficult as you can drop water (air) tight doors to seal off frames

>that scene in TFOR where plasma torpedoes were countered by venting the atmosphere

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>>166935352
see pic. game not included. typical EA shittery.

they had a writer and dev leave the company before the project completed. the ME3 and DAI were disappointments. ME4 is shaping up the same way.

this is just in terms of EA being greedy and Bioware lacking the ability to innovate. the sjw garbage is just icing on the turd.

>>166936406
>Doesn't matter beyond the hull's specific heat.

I'm gona warn you before you make your next response: I'm a Chemical engineer who builds engines for LNG carriers... so before you try throwing out words like "specific heat" understand I know alot more about what that is than you think I do.

And a relativistic projectile would not behave like a cloud. I don't know where you get that idea unless you are considering somehow there's enough friction in space to somehow super heat a projectile to that point... which there isn't. An object at relativistic speeds still behaves like the same object at rest as far as matter is concerned. And likewise at speed, it still has to follow the laws of momentum, it just has a REALLY high amount of delivered force. A relativistic projectile can absolutely ricochet, and in space it would be more likely to happen than not given the lack of moisture present on the surface of the target, the fact that the target is also not bound by a center of gravity.

Also, in terms of in universe, the mass Effect makes relativistic or really ANY projectile make less sense as the theory of this effect would mean that the object being struck by this projectile doesn't actually have mass, or an infinitely small one, and as such you would 100% of the time get a totally elastic impact, which would just cause both targets to bounce off of one another.

>>166935875
>the cast does look boring so far.

I don't understand this. PeeBee, Drak, Vetra and Cora all seem like they might be pretty interesting. If Cora is who we think she is, then there's probably going to be interesting story elements there. Krogan are always awesome, and Drak has bone armor so you know he's crazy. It's nice to have a female Turian for a change, so it should offer an interesting perceptive. So I just don't get where people's expectations were. Especially considering people are calling the new characters boring, based entirely on their looks.

>>166936807
Whatever you think of as armor penetration mechanics are completely irrelevant at relativistic speeds.
>both target and projectile spinning apart from each other rather than penetrating
At speeds significantly exceeding speed of sound in the material of the impactor it's physically impossible for a shot to be 'bounced'. Even at hypervelocity speeds achievable by modern guns the projectile will never ricochet but penetrate or break up instead.
Which is besides the point since there is no penetration at all because relativistic projectiles defeat armour purely by ablation.
>parroting stuff you heard in game
lmao

>>166937357
Vetra might be good. Drack/Krogans in general are a people I'm tired of and we've had Krogan and Asari companions in every single game so far. Now we've got the added factor of the genophage not being cured in Andromeda so we can hear another Krogan whining about it.

I'll reserve judgment on Cora, but the inclusion of Cerberus / a Cerberus plotline that folds into DADDY ISSUES is not a positive sign.

>>166936047
The rebel alliance relies solely on hit and run tactics. The final battle in Rogue One was a costly one, worth it solely on the importance of the death star plans. There was a large number of Rebel ships, but it is clear that not the entire rebel fleet was there. The rebel fleet cannot afford to be all at one place at the same time, for fear of coming up against a vastly superior Imperial force and being totally annihilated. It is explained many times throughout the OT. The Imperial force amassed around the 2nd Death Star is just enough to encourage a rebel fleet attack. It was a strategic call. The point was not to destroy the entire rebel fleet, but causing significant damage to it.

As for it being a final battle, sure it was important, but it was never to be a final battle. The rebel alliance would continue even if they failed. The odds would be increasingly against them, sure and they would probably lose at that point, but like Episode 7 showed, the end of the death star was hardly the end of the Empire.

You see, as the predominant force in the galaxy, the Empire needs to be ever present against potential rebel attacks. The rebel fleet has the luxury of taking advantage of the empire's weak points and simply fleeing when its overwhelmed, like in the battle of Hoth.

Maybe the balance of power between the two is 60-40 or 70-30, or even 90-10 in favour of the empire. It is never stated. However, the Alliance's guerilla war tactics and their need to resort to that indicates that they are in a numerical disadvantage, otherwise there would be no need for them to resort to that. They would be in an open, all out war.

>>166937464

A relativistic projectile is not rendered into a plasma, thus no ablation takes place. Additionally, ablation caused by impact alone, delivered energy, would not be enough in space to melt through much armor at all. It works in an atmosphere due to moisture effects, but in space this would not be present.
You can have a ricochet of a hyper velocity round, but not on earth, for the same reasons above. Well you can but only at the atomic scale. Bear in mind that an atom movies at relativistic speeds and they do have totally elastic (or as close as you can get) collisions and ricochet perfectly.

>>166937357
It's Fallout 3's plotline. Only with a mobile vault. Your father goes missing and you have to go find him.

>>166937293
>And a relativistic projectile would not behave like a cloud.
I would behave exactly as a cloud.
In fact, at very high relativistic velocities (.9c+) it no longer even makes sense to consider the projectiles as a solid since the specific kinetic energy far outstrips the specific energy of its molecular bonds and you have to consider the collision between individual atoms (or even nuclei at REALLY high velocities) on impact.

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>actual discussion on /meg/ that's worthwhile reading because it isn't about damn waifus

>>166938059

Who taught you that? Or where did you read that? Because that is some late 18th century bullshit you just spouted. For one you are ignoring the 'relative' part of a relativistic projectile, how KE/PE works in the absence of gravity, and that... IDK man that's just not how it works. Like I'm not going to explain 10 years of Material Sciences to you but you need to go back to school or hit the books harder if that's how you think projectile physics works. I mean starting from the problem that having more PE present that the molecular bonds has 0 to do with the state of a material... are you applying in atmosphere ablative results to a vacuum? Cause it doesn't work that way.

>>166938059

Are you using this:

https://what-if.xkcd.com/1/

Cause a) that doesn't apply in a vacuum, and b) it's more or less 100% wrong .

>>166937921
>is not rendered into a plasma
What do you think happens at the interface?
And what the fuck does moisture have to with anything?

>>166925191
they only admitted to it when it was official. have they ever said anything about zaeed's face model? that extra guy from Mad Men.
pro tip: they haven't

http://masseffecting.tumblr.com/post/78517147067/queensimia-madamjuggernaut-alphagravy

>>166938692

Okay you are definitely still in school or just reading shit on the internet.

In projectile, and specifically, penetration mechanics, moisture is a HUGE part of what allows a bullet to do what it does. The list goes on an on but suffice to say things like normalization, (small) ablation, and acting as a lubricant all contribute to if and how a projectile penetrates armor.

Also, in space, there would be no interface for the relativistic projectile to interact with. I am 100% sure you are using >>166938689 as the basis for your argument and you aren't considering the specifics of the discussed situation. You can't render ANYTHING into ANY kind of phase change by just... making it move fast? I mean maybe at the ACTUAL speed of light... sorta... but even still I wouldn't call it a phase change. Energy applied is not the same thing as energy absorbed. You would know that since you brought up specific heat. In a vacuum, and I stress VACUUM, simply making something MOVE fast doesn't add energy to a substance, thus it doesn't apply to a state change. No slide of hand to cause the state change, no latent heat, and thus, down the line. No plasma. An object moving at 0.1% c in a vacuum is just that, a REALLY fast object. It has all the same behavior of the object at rest.

All of this is aside from the point, as a Relativistic projectile wouldn't stay at Relativistic speeds for very long, as it would lose KE due to EM immediately, and in space this is even easier, making a R-Projectile even more ill suited for penetrating armor at any appreciable range in space.

>>166939564
You can pop flares and spout non-statements all you want but no amount of deflection will make a collision model explicitly designed for velocity order of magnitude of at most kilometers per second to impact happening by definition at at least tens of kilometers per second.
All the conventional considerations don't apply because the kinetic energy to heat conversion happens much faster than strain can propagate through the material.
>a Relativistic projectile wouldn't stay at Relativistic speeds for very long, as it would lose KE due to EM immediately, and in space this is even easier
I've been arguing with a retard.

>>166930397

It's also on the X360.

>>166939904

Yeah you don't know what you're talking about all... and that's abundantly clear. I want you to read a book called A Heat Transfer Textbook, 4th edition. We used it when I was at MIT and it will explain alot of things I'm trying to say much better than I. Short version is in a vacuum, and in the absence of gravity (micro gravity need not apply) friction is not the only way energy can be lost from a system, the EM spectrum due to wave behavior of mater can also account for energy lost. When dealing with higher and higher velocities, this loss is higher and higher (this is the the non-physical chemistry explanation as to why FTL travel is impossible, I called it the bleeding effect in my own head but there's a proper name for it I forget).

Additionally, lets start from the premise a it is still a solid when it impacts at somehow still 0.1% c, aside from ALOT of heat lost to EM, and to Sound waves within BOTH projectile and target, AND the fact the impact angle would likely never be 0 degrees and thus have a sheering effect, AND the fact that both objects lack the ability to transfer heat as friction and thus would be essentially perfectly elastic in impact AND the idea in order to get an object to 0.1% c would require to be of a very small size or very low amount of mass (density) and thus abration would favor the armor AND the fact that both projectile and target are moving in 3 axis and thus have to account collisions in 3 Axis, which yeah, neither of us can do without some mean software, AND the fact the very idea of relativistic projectiles are from science fiction writers, not engineers, and yeah, you don't have actual math or science to back this up. Cause it doesn't work that way. And putting it in space just makes it worse.

>>166936698
Thought everyone was gay for PoJu?

>>166887379
holy fuck who is she she looks like my dream woman

>>166941295

Read the replies before posting, please.

>>166941295
Dominique Rinderknecht

>>166941454
sod off
>>166941463
thank you

>>166941109
Protip: Cherenkov radiation doesn't occur in vacuum.
Protip 2: Impactor will flash into plasma at the interface.
Protip 3: Subsequently, the dominant mode of heat transfer will be radiative due to plasma-collisional Bremsstrahlung.

>>166941295
some desperate redditors fantasy model for cora even though the eyes/nose/mouth are all different.

/dag/ finally died lads.

>>166935352
EA shills like you should be hanged.