/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

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A game that keeps baiting you with success, but when you are just about to come in reach, it yanks the carrot away and you fall into a dark abyss of failure.

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rate this title screen so far.

this is for the demo, the final game probably wont have the links to my other games on the menu

>>166772947
Needs more fonts.

>>166772947
Ridiculously busy, holy fuck.

Artist here, looking for a game to contribute to

>>166773274
Post SSN + bank account info and I'll wire you the money.

>>166773274
Sure

>>166772947
I hate everything about how all of your games look, but people seem to disagree so that is probably fine.

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>>166772947
your game is too good for that my man.

>>166772947
Well, I like it. Reminds me of a DOS title screen.

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>message from high school friend
>"hey anon you make games right?"
>"I have a mobile game idea"
>"It's derivative af but so is candy crush"
>"I reckon it's got potential"
>"why don't we partner up for it?"
>"I have a business partner already too"

>make art
>it betrays an adolescent cryptofascist taste bred by years of consuming only video games and anime while avoiding social interaction

>>166773347
Very funny guy, I'm looking for amateur collab only (for now)

>>166773367
Cool, what are you working on?

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so i shelved this about 7 months ago after i didn't polish it enough for demo day 10. i'm ready to give this another shot. i'm going to get this stupid game to demo day 13 if it kills me.

>>166773537
Who is that business partner and how many of your bones will they break if you don't bring in the cash?

>>166773537
>"why don't we partner up for it?"
>"okay, so what're you going to do on it?"
>"well, uh, uhm, okay - I came up with the idea anon! That's enough right?"

That's when you cut them out.

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old guns progress

>>166772134

How does the whole recap thing work,

I have to make the post on the Monday?

>>166773610
rip :^)

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drew the slimes and coded their AI. Now to get combat working.

>>166773603
>Cool, what are you working on?
I'm taking a break right now

>>166774068
Recap anon posts the template on Mondays. If you post in that thread or any consecutive ones for the next 36 hours and your post follows the format, it will be caught and added to the image.

>>166773657
He hasn't said
I passed him off to a guy I know who started up a studio by picking off people graduating from a games degree and promising them "experience" (aka unpaid work, the only money they get is a cut of the profit)

The only other thing he told me was that his game idea was an endless runner and he wants to "flesh out" a few things with his partner before going to the guy I mentioned
I told him that the guy's going to want to know in what way they can contribute beyond just the idea (ie pay for it or help make it)
>"haha yeah we're willing to chip in ;)"

He'll almost definitely get rejected but I stay the good guy

>>166774248

Awesome, I'm gonna start posting to the recap.

>>166774112
Um, okay, well what were you working on?

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:O

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>>166774258
Smart move.

>>166772947
>it's the domestic dog guy
thanks for the free trading cards senpai
bought some nice tf2 hats with that

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>>166774402
>juiciest breakout on Steam

>>166774394
I was doing some office work at a publicity agency

>>166774402
This game looks really fun, and it has a novel premise. Best of luck to the dev there

>>166774107
Not to bash on you because you seem to be making good progress mate, but this is just for learning right? You know if you got that to a good state changing the art would be a pain in the ass and if you try to ship it nintendo would issue a DMCA takedown before you can even say "Hey listen"

>>166773603
Currently making my own engine and need an artist. Can you post some of your art?

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Should I be making multiple dialogue strings for every possible path? Or just make lots of path?

The persist:random() thing is so it can remember which ones it's generated so far, so the first call to persist:random(4, "someid")
would create a list like [0, 1, 2, 3] then shuffle it to like [2, 0, 3, 1] then return 1 and then the next time you call it it'll return one of 2, 0 or 3, then return the one left of the 2 remaining... etc, so that you don't repeat the same RNG.

How can I make a game if I cant into art

>>166775180
a lot of artists look for collabs here

>>166775146
Oh boy, you may just love my article when I'm finished with it.

>>166775234
I don't wanna collab with anyone

>>166774886
I'm going to release it as a short free fan game of zelda 2. I try to keep posting of this project to a minimum on my blog/twitter incase nintendo sees it, which I doubt they will. As for learning purposes, I guess in terms of art/animation yea

>>166775146
What you need to do is stop hardcoding dialogue. Put that shit in a csv or some other table format.

>>166772947
>>166773531
This -- 90's shareware/10

>>166775321

This is external, anyway. It's in loliscript, while the main game is in C++. This is not straight-executed, only the blocks you see there are, and only conditionally, based on what the C++ decides happens.

>>166775145
Ehhh I'm a little wary of working with an enginedev

I'm sorry. But good luck.

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>>166775527
Flawless execution. Truly a scholar and gentleman.

>>166775725
>flawless
it's well known that a memer will reject any method of making game

perhaps... this style of posting is the real art... infinitely variable... yet always true to form

>>166775527
What the fuck do you care what he uses if you're just doing art

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>>166775881
And another one.

>>166775145
Not him, but exactly what kind of game are you trying to make? I may want to get some practice in if it's not too bad.

hhhhhhh i have no idea what to make as a first project

i'm staring at a blank sheet of paper and it's paralyzing

>>166776075
Breakout

>>166776075
MMO with a working economy

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>>166776075
Could be worse. You could look at this and get PTSD.

>>166775146
i thought it's gonna be mommy feel good
got spooped for a sec there

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Fixed bugs, optimized some stuff that was causing hiccups, and implemented a balance tracking and viewing feature. Now you can do accounting in my bounty hunter game.
Next up, TPS reports.


>>166772947
As others have said, strong 90s vibe. If intentional, good job, if not, get with the times gramps!

>>166773610
Great anon, we believe in you.

>>166774107
Good progress

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>>166776213

Hey, I'm a coder. Any artists with a game idea and assets looking for someone to dev it out?

>>166776843
I'm not sure what feeling your image is trying to convey.

>>166776852
Possibly, I've been sketching out characters/backgrounds lately and getting back into digital. What engine?

>>166776951
she's looking at your cock

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>didn't have time to work on my game
At least it's the week-end now.

Just did an in-game input config because I noticed that agdg unity demos never have one.
It detects everything though so I'm putting so exceptions unless someone here really want to map CAPSLOCK to the attack button.

>>166777013
Say wha

>>166777143
http://pastebin.com/k3Bzwqdm

I need to get to doing that. Right now you have to fuck with an XML file to change shit.

>>166777143
how did you manage to remap axes at runtime?

>collabs on aggydaggy
Literally never form and on the off chance they do they never work. 1ma or bust

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Remove the engine list and add a framework/libraries list.

>>166777795
Theres a ton listed on the site

>>166777795
I won't be intimidated by a crying faggot like you, even if you had the business end of a howitzer pointed at my nose.

>>166770938
>pompadour flopping
I love it!

Why do people have children when they could be making games?

>>166777001
What software do you use for your art? Sorry for taking a bit to respond

>>166777989
Children are less likely to die

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>>166777885
If he had any sort of business he wouldn't be posting on agdg

>>166778050
Children have a 100% likelihood of death, same as an agdg game.

>>166777989
I plan to turn my daughter into an asset creating machine. So basically to establish a family business.

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>tfw cant motivate myself to work on game
pls send help

>>166778198
>same as an agdg game
Monolith, Aliens Go Home Run, World of Horror. And that's just this generation.

>>166778381
What's your game anon?

>>166778390
>tfw you didn't count me
Do you not believe in me anon? I believe in you.

>>166778381
The problem is anime.

>>166778390
Ooh you showed me. Which of those is yours?

>>166778507
Are you new?

>>166778390
>having more progress than the average game is analogous to not dying
TrumpSaysWrong.mp4

>>166778050
fuck you I spat my water all over my devstation

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>trying to work with bitbucket and sourcetree
>i work with big files (30mb +) that are updated often
>files larger than 10mb fuck it up and make the process take forever

>>166778485
How could I forget you, Gumball Spiral?

>>166772947
bad

>>166773274
>>166773603
What kind of art do you make?

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>>166778656
Nope. It's someone far less talented.

>>166778573
Do you eat shit?

>>166778604
That's just the one with monetary success in the foreseeable future. I know there are others in the recap that have been here for much longer. But is Limbo that much better than death?

>>166778721
>fishing for compliments

>>166778036
Ahh, I see, I'm being memed.

>>166778862
Nope, I suck shit and know it. At least Gumball Spiral dev is cool as fuck.

>>166778381
i heard compulsively masturbating to anime improves masturbation

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You can kill slimes now

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squirrel arcade (minigame menu)

>>166772947
thanks for the feedback, ill try to clean up the title a bit, and i do like 90's stuff

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>>166778050

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>>166779180
>those fucking squirrels

i love this place anon, keep it up

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Level two is out, running on the final™ version of Portal Kit Pro! Instructions are in the rtf.
Asset coming to asset store tomorrow.
https://phygon.itch.io/vr-portal-demo

>>166779180
This is one of my favorite scenes I've ever seen from an agdg dev.

It looks so fun it should be illegal.

>>166779180
Where are those watermarks coming from? I notice they lay flat like a 3d texture.

>>166779890
>solar panel send their energy through plumbing pipes into duracells
What has science done to you?

>>166780157
Playtesters were too fucking stupid to understand wires so I had to think of a method to display energy transfer visually

>>166780232
Has anyone other than you playtested this?

>>166779097
Ribbertdev why have you forsaken Ribbert?

>>166780312
Yep, a couple friends, my girlfriend, and my parents.

The folks + one of my friends could literally not figure out the concept that electricity was flowing with just sound

>>166780464
What stopped you from just putting a lightning effect around the wires?

>>166779097
JFC are you ever going to do something about the camera? I bet you never even tried making it point at the player with its current motion.

>>166780565
I couldn't make it look good without using soft particles and those are expensive

>>166780449
his artist hid in shame as he never could make that double jump animation

>>166780232
>Playtesters were too fucking stupid
As one of your playtester know that I'm going to tell everyone what you just said.

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>>166780449
>>166780701
I posted ribbert progress like a week ago. And ribbert WILL be my first commercial game. Just no visual progress to post right now. I'm doing this zelda fan game on the side for fun.

>>166780590
HOWS THIS ANON

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>As one of your playtester know that I'm going to tell everyone what you just said.

>>166781980
That's not really what I meant but it looks a lot better. You're severely overcomplicating it. I literally just mean make the camera point at the player without changing anything else about it.

>>166780464
This is your father. Your girlfriend told us about this.
Why are you friends with a pedophile?! Do these people's parents know what is going on here?
Oh, and don't call your mother stupid, you know she hates it.

We need to talk.
- Dad

>>166782158
I have no idea what you mean then. It is pointing at the player. It is -literally- anchored onto the player's x/y position with a lerp.

>>166782398
I mean having the position of the camera lag behind like in >>166779097 but have it point at the player. I don't see what's so difficult to understand about this.

>>166782036
"K"

Who else /rust/ here?

>>166782398
>>166782463
the camera's angle will change to look at the player

Roughly how long does it usually take you guys to make a character model and animations (2d or 3d, I'm curious of both)?

I feel like I'm going to go insane how long it takes me to do it. I'm not sure if I'm slow as fuck or if I'm just being too impatient with myself.

>>166782526
Me.

>>166782567
Takes me about 2 or 3 hours to make an animation set for my game, which consists of 96 sprites. I chose my graphics to be very simple for this reason.

>>166782642
How is it for gamedev? Thinking about switching to it from Python because I don't actually know Python

>>166782463
that webm isn't capturing the entire screen so thats why the player is off center.

>>166782545
I want it to point slightly downward.

>>166778390
Ooh, I'll show you anon. My livelihood depends on the launch of this game.

>>166782797
That's an unwise situation to put yourself in, anon.

>>166782871
Didn't choose to put myself in this situation. I've been sending job applications out all the while but there's not enough experience under my belt apparently -- putting a game out on steam ought to help out with that.

>>166782726
If you want to enginedev mostly from "scratch" and you like being really precise about your types and whatnot so that everything's safe and understandable and you can get nice error messages at compile time if you fuck up, yes.

>>166782691
Fuck you, mate. That's insanely faster than me. Do you have a WebM of it?

>>166782691
>96 sprites
This is why people say 3D i better in the long run.

>>166782973
That sucks anon. I wish you luck.

>he made his own game engine but didn't make his own modeling software
engine dev fags rekt

>>166782773
>that webm isn't capturing the entire screen so thats why the player is off center.
That's not the issue.

>I want it to point slightly downward.
Make the camera higher than the player, then.

Why are you so stubborn about this? At least try it, you're not even making an effort before dismissing it. If you try it and think it's shit then you can say you told me so.

>>166781980 looks fine but it would be much easier for you to do what I have been saying all along and it would add a lot to the 3D effect.

>>166782973
>putting a game out on steam ought to help out with that
Nope, it wont

>>166783006
How? He said he got it don't in 3 hours. That seems faster than doing it in 3d.

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textboxes mostly done!
just gotta add choice boxes and a system to queue next textboxes and trigger events. ezpz

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>>166782996
Not really, none of these sprites are ingame yet. To be fair, I have 8 angles, and 3 of those angles are flipped and reshaded.

>>166783006
Yeah, but I don't want to delay my game to do 3D.

>>166783282
At that point I may as well do 3D because of how few frames for my animations I have. It'd be smoother.

>>166782726
>>166782983
Word of warning if you really want to try it - if you're used to garbage collected languages, you will struggle with Rust's strict ownership rules for a while.

>>166783254
Yeah, it will. Source: I'm a professional game developer.

Part of the reason why nobody is wanting to hire me right now: Only games I've helped put out were niche 4X/RTS games and I've been told twice now that "They're not looking for 4X developers" whatever that means.

It's just code for 'your portfolio isn't strong enough'.

How do you get a better portfolio? Show you put out stuff that sells.

>>166783282
He said he is limiting himself to a very simple artstyle to achieve that low time cost. If you want a decent style and need this many sprites per set, going 3D is usually less costly in the long run.

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adding juice - the targetting ui bounces a bit when changing units

>>166783340
You need to try to add a little more weight and momentum to her movements, Megaman had a lot of weight when he turned and changed direction, like he'd actually pivot on his heel, dip down a little bit, and then turn

It feels really odd how your gal here turns and moves so effortlessly

>>166783181
I feel like I've seen you have this exact conversation with like 4 different devs at this point
Are you trying to make this into a meme?

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>>166783181
I'm not being stubborn I just have no idea what you mean by "fix it."
Finally you offer someway to "fix it" here it is with the camera raised even higher.

>>166783559
I toyed with that actually but I couldn't get it to feel right with mouselook. Mouse look feels terrible with any kind of input lag or acceleration. It feels fine on keyboard/controller though (without analog sticks).
Any suggestions?

>>166783705
You need to make the camera bob up and down as Link walks.

>>166783416
>Show you put out stuff that sells.
so your plan is not only to publish a game, but to publish a hit game?
you need to think about how unlikely that is to happen

Interested in contributing art to the right project (for free)

>>166783705
he wants you to rotate it on the horizontally to keep link in the center, which is quick frankly a horrible fucking idea.

>>166783494
i'm sure you've been asked this many times but mind telling me what the objective of the game is?

i have no clue what's going on

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>>166783712
Oh fuck. You're going for mouselook? I'm not sure then man.

You could at least give her run cycle a heftier bounce to it, watching megaman run in legends was satisfying

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After I finished this I realized I could've just fished for the source and make a webm, but eh, who cares

This is good advice, take it to heart!

>>166783764
To put out a game that sells that isn't a 4X. To show I have breadth.

I'm not aiming to become an indie darling. I'm just adding another notch on my belt. If this game makes more than $12000 after tax lifetime I'll be very happy.

>>166783705
Don't reply to the camera shitposters.

They're doing it for every 3D game in this general and are never satisfied. You're wasting your time.

>>166783817
eliminate all enemy units, but I still havent recoded the AI, so the webms never show it off

>>166783863
hell yeah I'll see what I can do with the animation, thanks for the input!

>>166783947
Also consider adding kicking and picking things up, those were very satisfying mechanics in the Legends games too.

>>166783595
I am picky about cameras.

>>166783705
I don't know how to explain "point at the player" in simpler terms. I cannot fathom how you don't get it. Combine that with the motion from >>166779097.

>>166783808
>which is quick frankly a horrible fucking idea.
How?

>>166783896
Cry more. Some people have standards and like to have more of the screen dedicated to where the player is going and not where they were. I gave similar suggestions to Plokdev a while ago, he tried it, and was very happy with the result.

>>166783875
Only amateurs want to be #1 in gamedev. I know that in order to be first, one must be a 0. Except in Lua. Fuck Lua.

>>166784045
He's using sprites, that's why. If you thought about it a bit harder, you'd understand why it's bad.

>>166783705
>>166784045
Like, when you set the 3D camera in Game Maker you have to specify the camera's position and the camera's target (where it will point). All I am saying is make the target the player (or a bit above him if that's what you want).

>>166784149
If it's not a crazy angle and he uses billboards then it really won't be.

>>166784267
Imo billboarding is the problem. It's better to just leave it as is so everything doesn't look odd and it's questionable whether or not you can hit something.

>>166784350
I suppose so. I actually hadn't thought of the sprite issue until you mentioned it, and it makes sense. Which is unfortunate, because it really limits what you can do with the 3D.

>>166783879
And just for the record, the games I've helped create (2+1 man development company conglomerate) have to date sold around 300k units combined (though I don't know the exact figures for the physical copies).

So I don't feel like looking for around 5-6k units lifetime is something out of my reach.

>>166784045
>Some people have standards
And your standards are criticizing amateur game in a 4chan /vg/ general. Some standards you have.

>>166783416
I really don't think companies want to see some amateur 1MA game on your resume
in fact, I bet it would make your resume weaker
unless you're apply for entry level jobs

>>166784435
Yeah, you're right about that. I'd be with you if it wasn't for the sprite thing, anon, but the sprites make me fuck off hard with that.

>>166784486
It's the least I can do.

>>166784490
I'm applying for anything and everything. I'm not so prideful as to discard the possibility of working in QA if I have to. Unfortunately, most of the positions I'm finding are all senior level despite this being January -- which is when most companies are going to do their big hires. It suggests instead of looking outward most of the industry is promoting from within.

Anyway, just because I was a co-lead developer for 8.5 years doesn't mean I can make other sorts of games. Nobody cares about your diploma. It's all about connections and your history of performance.

I don't have connections - so I have to make up for it by showing that I put out games that bring in more than they cost to make - and I can do so reliably.

But in a way you're right - it does hurt me. But it's not because I'm a 1MA -- it's because I'm not a specialist. Part of what producing this game is doing for me is also helping me specialize in art.

>>166775881
Because Engine dev means not focusing purly on making the game but focusing on creating frameworks for others to use which will never used by others. So it's stupid.

Just take the most straight line to making the things possible you want to make in the game.

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>>166785171
>Because Engine dev means not focusing purly on making the game but focusing on creating frameworks for others to use

>>166785171
that's not what it means
you fell for the meme

>>166785171

spoken like an artist. kill yourself you dumb faggot. But before you do that, realize that artists are a dime a dozen, any good programmer could hold out their hand and catch one falling from the sky.

an enginedev means making your own game framework, to make games with. it's just creating necessary boilerplate

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>>166785171
>for others to use
what

>>166785595
>an enginedev means making your own game framework, to make games with.
Not even that, necessarily. It's just making a game.

>>166783991
of course of course- interactivity and being able to examine fucking everything is one of the reasons MML was so great.

>>166775146
Kill yourself, you fucking pedo.

>>166785916

True


On another note, how are people handling state management for their games? I'm using monogame and have 2 states currently, introscreen and main menu, just testing things out.

All of the gui frameworks are too complex, so going to make my own. Anyone thought about fading screen transitions and such?

>>166786112
Coroutines for bloody well everything. Is it a state machine? You can make it a coroutine. That includes state machines used to run coroutines. Does something need to happen over time? Make it a coroutine so you can yield and wait.

>>166785834
not having even a simple level editor is super shitty though

>>166786112
In monogame I use a screen manager.
http://pastebin.com/7SsbWgsz

It serves my needs amazingly and I can just arbitrarily add any kind of screens in any sort of split screen shit I want.

>>166786112
if(state==1)
DoMainMenu()
else if(state==2)
DoGame()

>>166786264
I'm amazed that no game framework or engine includes ready to use state machines, behavior trees and other such common pieces of logic

>>166779569
thanks
>>166780037
thanks that mean a lot. ill pack the demo with at least 1 minigame
>>166780148
its UE4 preview lighting. i can disable it, and it will go away once i cook them game

>>166786683
Doesn't UE4?

>>166786420
depends on the game
if it's all procgen, then you never design any levels to begin with
if it's 3d you can do it all in 3ds max, for example, and then import
plenty of tools for 2d, too

>>166786728
maybe? I haven't really used UE4

>>166786112
This is something I'm experimenting with for my next game. Normally I do a flat pointer to a small gamestate object, and then just spaghetti stack it up, but now I'm trying to make each state hold more, and I'm storing them in a normal stack

For transitions I'm doing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnAoD7hgDxw
And transitions are hardcoded to interact with the gamestate below it so instead of making a new gamestate object for each transition I just do something like push(new_state) push(transition)

>>166786728
Yeah it does

>>166786575
Delete this.

>>166786683
Doesn't matter if you have coroutines, then there's essentially no boilerplate to want a solution for. Actually, even without coroutines, you can easily write a state machine with zero boilerplate.

>>166786759
I do remember the official level editor for homeworld2 was a maya plugin, I guess that's one way

>>166786842
http://boreal.aggydaggy.com/programming/2016/05/25/mean-clean-state-machine.html
This is what I'm talking about with:
>you can easily write a state machine with zero boilerplate

I'm tempted to buy ObiCloth just because Unity's cloth system makes no sense to me. What did they do to the skinned mesh renderer?

>>166786683
>faggot who never used UE4

>>166786907
>Delete this.
It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.
Try not to go too overboard with your design patterns and state machine theory and shit.
remember: KISS

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>dev for a little over a week straight before GGJ without leaving my house
>do GGJ (read: dev in worse conditions)
>GGJ is over
>i continue to dev without leaving my house
>i've been constantly on the verge of tears and feeling like i'm about to vomit for the past 2 days
>don't know if it's related or just a coincidence
>don't want to stop because i'm on a dev high and I want to exploit it 100% before I get another dev low
>don't want to continue because I might actually be affecting my physical and mental health
>continue anyways because I don't want to stop the progress train
>mfw

>>166787181
wah wah poor baby

go to bed or quit shitposting you fucking idiot

>>166787086
>I'm tempted to buy
Don't.
If you really don't understand the new system, which isn't that hard to be fair, use the Japanese way and use bones.

>>166787172
First of all, the game and menu states need different data. And any functional menu is going to have way more states than that.

There's nothing complicated about how I do states in >>166787026, and it's born from what I have found to be the best practice rather than any theory.

>>166787181
You are pregnant.

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>>166783863
Is that image from sword in the stone? Looks familiar from when I was a kid

>>166787373
>reverse image search

>>166787373
it is
it's one of the unknown knights in the contest/championship/joust whatever

>>166787327
What, like make a cloth bone in the animation? I just have a part of a mesh that I want to act like cloth, which was easy on the old system, but there don't seem to be any tutorials on how to do it with the new one.

>making all these assets
>can't collab with a programmer because of critical meme levels
true hell

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>>166787430
I rememeber that knight from the joust
I knew it was from sword in the stone
>Great movie btw

>Here have a dogebear for your troubles

>>166786264
I have a number of states managed by my game class which contains a state stack, so this could work well, cheers

>>166786546
looks nice man

>>166787026
Well that looks like it could be cool, but given the amount of stateful things and especially for gameplay I actually like the idea of a state stack.

I do agree though, "manager" classes are a bad idea

>>166787567
that sucks man. hopefully they make a way for you to share assets soon. im sure people would be chomping at the bit to collab with you!

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This is one hell of a texture.

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>>166787567
>making assets without a project

>>166787728
Working on a portfolio and meanwhile, no project to work with. It's pretty awful

>>166787567
an easy way to dodge the memes is to
wait for it-
post your portfolio!

>>166787331
>any functional menu is going to have way more
all of that is in DoMainMenu()
all of the game stuff is in DoGame()
if you had a credits scroll, then you'd have a state 3, and you'd call DoCredits()

it's dead simple

>>166787567
>critical meme levels
Wut

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>they keep replying to the same stale bait
what the fug

>>166787872
you probably want the menu to be able to run on top of the game, so that you can have a pause menu without making an entirely separate menu inside of game

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>>166788113
oh my goooood so tiny, have mine.

>>166788192
Cute

I guess I'll have to learn programming if I ever want to see my art in a game

>>166787674
>I actually like the idea of a state stack
I address that in the article. The states themselves have the stack structure (or whatever structure you want), which means 1. no boilerplate and 2. more flexibility.

>>166787567
>>166787815
I need a game to show off my new engine. Forget memes and just post your art.

>>166788990
Interesting proposal. Can I ask a little more about your engine? Is it 2D or 3D, at least, if telling me language is too much of a trigger?

>>166788946
>The states themselves have the stack structure

Not sure if I agree with this as far as OOP principles go. I like classes to only take care of their own direct responsibilities and that means the game class manages its own states whilst the states just take care of updating, handling events, and rendering themselves, and of course holding the variables and functionality specific to themselves.

I also disagree with the other article on that blog; I think the OOP way to handle entities is the best way, people just need to be careful not to abuse inheritance. At most, go 2-3 classes deep.

>>166789145
>Not sure if I agree with this as far as OOP principles go.
Well, following these OOP principles mean you have worse code.

But I disagree that e.g. a pause state is not responsible for storing the state that was paused and returning it (transitioning back to it) when appropriate. That's fundamentally what pausing is.

>>166787567
>>166788932

Do you think you are funny? Do you think people enjoy seeing your meme posts?

They are not funny. People do not enjoy them. You need to stop.

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this is concept art for a female playable squirrel. what do you think of her?

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>>166785267
>>166785334
>>166785834
>>166785834

You want to make a game -> Is there a Framework which allows you to do it? -> no -> can you modify it so it allows you to do the things you want to do ? -> no -> Is it worth it to create something from scratch, because it will make work much easier? -> yes -> then go make it, but with the focus in mind to create this game, and maybe to make the workflow more comfortable, so it fits your game like a fine suit.

What I imagine the common "engine dev" is doing, is to code an engine just for the sake of coding. He creates all these clever algorithms that no designer, no artist, no player will ever see or can feel the difference.

Programming is for Hardware optimization. When hardware became faster, 2D games are not so hardware hungry anymore. So the programmers job shifts to making a framework so it is convenient to create this game in with all the features it will have.

Hardware optimization vs. convenience of use for the designers.

>>166789076
2D(pseudo-3D capable), C++.

>>166789456
I think I'll pass, but best of luck to you

>>166789381
Why doesn't she have arms?

>>166789381
i can tell it's a female so it's okay i guess

>>166789381

Looks obviously female, cute, easily animated. stylized, obviously well suited for the platformer game you have in mind and could be easily animated. I like almost everything about it.

I'm not sure if you knew but there is kind of a gross white line separating her bow/left ear part of the head from the tail. Looks kind of obvious and bad right now.

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>>166789482

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FINALLY done with v1.0 of this map!

I'm very unhappy with it right now, but I guess that's what happens when you spend too long on something; It always ends up feeling like you're polishing a turd.

>>166789417
>What I imagine the common "engine dev" is doing, is to code an engine just for the sake of coding. He creates all these clever algorithms that no designer, no artist, no player will ever see or can feel the difference.
That's mostly your hyperactive imagination. But enginedevs want to have fun working too, so they may implement things that are fun to write even if they aren't strictly necessary.

If YOU want to use a framework, nobody is going to stop you.

Is monogame enginedevving

Reminder that if someone doesn't want to work with you, they must be meming

Reminder that if someone follows the meme to the letter, they are not meming

>>166789648
AGDG has pretty much settled on the term "enginedev" to mean anything that isn't using a fully-featured engine with an editor that you can start creating content and gameplay in right away.

With Monogame you need to implement game objects, you need to implement maps, etc.

reminder that your memes are hot garbage and if you try to imply you're not memeing, then you are memeing because there is no way in the hell two dozen different "artists" did the exact same shtick within the last two days

>>166789297
>But I disagree that e.g. a pause state is not responsible for storing the state that was paused and returning it (transitioning back to it) when appropriate. That's fundamentally what pausing is.

If you press pause, the current state detects the keypress and then the game class pushes a pause state onto the state stack and then updating/drawing/handling input continues as normal. when the state stack detects it should unpause, it sets that flag and at the latest update call, the game then pops the pause state off of its state stack.

That's basically how I see it. A state is responsible for determining when a new state should be invoked, but not actually creating that state itself.

So our views are similar in that sense but I am very strict with the separation of concerns

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Here's something I recorded a few hours ago, it's already pretty outdated though.

https://a.pomf.cat/cjzjse.webm

>>166789417
this thread blows enginedevving way out of proportion, hence you fell for the meme
enginedevving a 2d game from scratch doesn't take any longer than using unity or something else

Process of Making Game:

This Awesome Idea -> Think it through to see if it's still Awesome -> Never forget the key idea of the game which makes it fresh and fun -> Choose Engine or Create Engine if needed -> Create Art, Assets Content under the vision of the game -> Program it close to the vision of the game -> Make everything fit together very well and thus create a little world of your own in which other people can have fun exploring and having a good time and an life enriching experience

Just pulled some old synths out of the attic, any programmer looking for some music?

>>166789804
>the current state detects the keypress and then the game class pushes a pause state onto the state stack
>when the state stack detects it should unpause
Do you not see an issue with this?

>A state is responsible for determining when a new state should be invoked, but not actually creating that state itself.
That's a very arbitrary requirement. What is the point? All you are doing is adding boilerplate on the outside that you need to communicate with and specialize to get certain things done.

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>need an artist for comfy jam
>I will post my game soon and I will find an artist and we will make a video game and there's nothing you can do to stop it

>>166789797
>AGDG has pretty much settled on the term "enginedev"
that's fucking retarded, and also your opinion, along with a few other vocal retards.

>>166789884
post music

>>166789490
ur the first to ask this, I wish i had an answer
>>166789502
thanks
>>166789557
k cool, thanks

>>166790013
Working on recording something now, what's your game?

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>>166789649
>>166789727

>>166789881
>Assets before programming

>>166789884
>Yeah sure, I'll take some music.
>Okay, but first, tell me more about your project.
>I'm not falling for that again.
>I'm serious, it's for compatability reasons.
>[Engine]
>Sorry, not interested, but best of luck to you.
>Fiddlesticks.

Saved you 20 minutes.

>>166789990
Regardless of the definition, it doesn't matter what is "enginedev" and what isn't. It's just a word.

>>166789608
I've seen lots of engies post their aimless engines here. Very clever rendering algorithms, never intended to make a game with it.

>>166790043
That will yield many false positives. Don't want you ending up all alone in agdg, now would we?

>>166789938

I meant to say the game class detects it should unpause, since that's what's running the state stack, which takes care of all its own updating and rendering

>That's a very arbitrary requirement. What is the point?

Separation of concerns and encapsulation. Each class is responsible only for its own specialised functionality. If it thinks it should change state it can set a flag to do so, but it ultimately the game class which has to decide whether the state can be changed or not, and to then create and push the new state onto the stack

>>166790103
>engies
Post disregarded.

>>166789797
monogame is high level enginedev though

>>166790183
I think you need to stop thinking in terms of principles and whatnot because clearly they (or your interpretations of them) are not leading to better code as you would expect they should.

>Each class is responsible only for its own specialised functionality.
And there's no reason this functionality cannot include constructing a state.

>>166790103
>clever rendering algorithms
>clever
>reinventing the wheel

>>166790041
>what's your game?
oh, uh
uhm
heh-heh... well...

>>166790360

>I think you need to stop thinking in terms of principles and whatnot

I don't think I should. The reason we have rules is because when people are left to their own devices they tend to make mistakes. Which is why we have restrictive programming languages

>And there's no reason this functionality cannot include constructing a state.

Well for me there is. States do not get to just create other states. They manage their own rendering, updating, and input handling. If they think another state should be created they can request it from the game class, of which they are just composite objects.

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how's the modeling going, anon?

>>166790571
Have fun with your objectively worse code, at least it's "principled".

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>>166790589

Incredible.

Unity2D or GameMaker for non-pixel 2d game?

Fact: You improve as an artist simply by watching anime

>>166790615

>""""Objectively""""""


Well if you wrote that bad blog piece on why ECS and Inheritance based entity management is wrong, I'm not surprised you have bad opinions on programming

but you have fun with whatever you're doing too

>>166790698
This. Your time as an artist is better spent watching anime than practicing.

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>looking for magical girl poses
>type magical girl poses on google
>this is the first result
I don't like where this is going.

>>166790783
You know, anon, they are not my opinions. They are factual observations about the code itself.

>>166790431
>be henry ford
>trying to invent the motor vehicle
>wtf why are you reinventing the horse carriage man? waste of time

>>166790940
>the internet does not use my vocabulary
>but I know what I mean!
Oh shock. Oh horror.

>>166790946

No they are your opinions. You think a state should create other states, I think they shouldn't because the state stack is the responsibility of the class of which they are composites, i.e the game class.

>>166791095
>2017
>"State stack"

>>166790940
she wouldn't look bad if it wasn't for the hairdo of a recovering cancer patient

>>166791095
I have shown that the code you get when you don't do this is much simpler, shorter, and more flexible. If it comes at the price of not looking like a good OOP disciple, I gladly pay it.

>>166790067
Ok, maybe assets after you chose what to program in. But at least some concept art would be useful to visualise the endproduct.

In Gamedeving the Designer is the Architect, and the artists are helping him. The programmers are the construction workers and the once who are building the machines.

Designer and Programmer can be the same, but it's not necessarily so. Look at big companies for examples.

Artists make it beautiful, Programmers make it work.
Sure it is recommended for programmers to make there code also beautiful, so they don't lose their sanity while working. But if it works, and it is maintainable and maybe expandable later, everyone is happy.

Programmers make the design work, but it is not the design. Because you can design a game without writing one single line of code. The programmer just make the magic possible. They are the wizards who create all the formulas others don't understand.

And that's where the happyness for a programmer comes from, to see things work. Jumping around, jumping on platforms, Cutscenes happening. Gui working flawlessly etc...

>>166791063
pose
verb, 3rd person present: poses

"assume a particular position in order to be photographed, painted, or drawn."

In other words : Fuck off faggot.

>>166791004
This post is so stupid/wrong on so many levels you should feel bad

>>166791327
I was talking about "magical girl", you cumguzzling socketfucker.

>>166791273

Like I said, the only people who rail against OOP are usually the people who cant do it very well

But if you dont like it you dont have to use it

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>>166791409
Seems like google knows perfectly what a magical girl is.

So again: Fuck off faggot.

>>166791615
>WHAAH, mean Google didn't give me the picture I wanted!
>Fuck off faggot!
>FUCK OFF FAGGOT!
How can one creature be so pathetic? Go back to the discord, spunkbank.

>>166791615
Plus the ugly chick you posted was clearly attempting a magical girl pose, so the guy whining about google not speaking your vocabulary is off the mark in every regard.

>>166791606
Well I'd be interested to see your good OOP solution that is better.

A good programmer can understand and work with an artist.
A good artist can understand and work with a programmer.

>>166790589
You're doing okay. I think you need to look at some more references images. Especially bridge of the nose and the whole lip/mouth complex.

>>166791853
the fuck was the purpose of this post

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>>166790940

>>166791806

For entity management I just use the OOP Inheritance solution. Well designed classes never go more than 2-3 levels deep.

For state management my Game class has a stack of gamestates, which are polymorphic subclasses of gamestate and the main game loop just handles input, updates, and renders the current state

>>166790940
You can use that. Or did you want to just trace a little girl?

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>>166789596
that is some impressive texturing. reminds me a lot of timespliters 2.

>>166791975
Hardly what I'd call a Sailor Moon body

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>>166790589
Not exactly great.

>>166791927
Because when I look at this thread I can see no good programmers or artists.

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>>166792025
Thanks, man.
I've never played Timespliters myself, but I had to go with a "tiled" look like that to fit the 3DS' very limited VRAM.

This is the one texture I used to make the whole map.

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>>166791854
>>166790589
I'm getting an angelina vibe

>>166792117
I only see programmers and artists fight each other.
I'm more important says the programmer. No I'm more important says the artist.

>>166792251
>I'm more important says the programmer. No I'm more important says the artist.

The programmer is correct.

>>166791962
>For entity management I just use the OOP Inheritance solution. Well designed classes never go more than 2-3 levels deep.
If that works for you, fine.

>For state management my Game class has a stack of gamestates, which are polymorphic subclasses of gamestate and the main game loop just handles input, updates, and renders the current state
This sounds good on paper, but then you realize that when going down the stack, you want to do something different depending on what state it is. Now that I look at it more closely, I can confidently say that "good OOP practice" dictates that you would thus move the logic into the states themselves. There's also the issue of how the states tell the state manager which state to transition to, which is completely eliminated if you have no manager at all and simply return the next state.

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>>166792068
What about that one?

>>166792307

The programmer is correct from a "game" standpoint.

The artist is correct from a marketing/trailer standpoint.

Without the artist, the programmer still has a game.

Without the programmer, the artist has some pretty pictures and gifs.

>>166792390
>Without the programmer, the artist has some pretty pictures and gifs.
More than enough to make a fortune on Patreon, if porn.

>>166792307
>>166792390
meanwhile everyone actually building a game is too busy fucking working to bullshit on /agdg/ about who's more important

>>166792456
>More than enough to make a fortune on Patreon.
fix'd

>>166792343

I dont have a manager class, the Game class is what manages the states. And the states can determine which state to transition into based on events like keypresses. They simply ask for a new state to be pushed onto the stack and the game class does it, if it's possible

If I post my game and it has asset store art will you guys bully me? After the last thread I'm scared to ever show my game.

>>166792878
We will bully you either way.

>>166792307
>>166792390
>>166792456
>>166792498

The art and the design is what defines a game. Code just makes it work.

If you already have art and the design the code just fills whats missing based on the design. Code doesn't do any damage to the game because the game is already there, it's just missing the engine and the power, but it won't make the game experience better or worse.

>>166792878
1. Don't claim you made stuff you didn't make
2. Don't get butthurt if people say the assets clash
You'll be fine.

>>166792878
You'll get shitposted no matter what, so why give a fuck?

>>166793094
>shitty code won't make the experience worse

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>>166772134
Be brutally honest with me, is this good?

>>166792878
>If I post my game and it has asset store art will you guys bully me?
Yes. Until you leave. No this is not a meme. It's what happens. Don't listen to the "we are a thread of peace" routine these faggots always do. It's pointless.

>>166793094
>Code doesn't do any damage to the game because the game is already there, it's just missing the engine and the power, but it won't make the game experience better or worse.
Like in Blighttown, when you fall off a ledge the wrong way and get stuck floating in a falling animation as the area tanks your frame rate to 15 FPS? Nobody cared about that, nope.

>>166793094
>The art and the design is what defines a game.

Artists, everyone.

>>166793163
No.

Is it better practice to make clothes an actual separate object that sits on top of a model, or just a part of it? This is assuming I want to clothes to have cloth physics but don't plan on changing them.

>>166793163
It's obviously pretty WIP. The person needs work, but I think the wheelbarrow is fine. You're on your way to making something that looks good.

Reminder that programming isn't game design and design is an art.

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>>166793228
Oh come on, we've been over that. It's an intentional design choice.

>>166793163
could make in 5 minutes / 10

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>>166793385
But that's exactly how long it took me

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>foreach

I want to make a voxel game as beautiful and simple as 3D Dot Game Heroes, but I feel like voxel games have been ruined by children and YouTuber memers.

Wut do? ;_;

Glass-esque and metallic voxels are fucking beautiful, when done with good lighting.

>>166793357
>design is an art
nice, the birth of a fresh new meme

>>166793094
The gameplay defines the game. The gameplay is made by coders. Designers don't get to define what is possible, the coders do.

A design without a coder is an idea guy.

Coders can design games. 'Designers' are not required, but may be useful. Same with artists.

>>166793514
Thanks, I just came up with it on the spot.

>>166793157
Then it's either not following the design, or it's a efficiency problem. Framerates etc.
But you could argue that a coder can also be part designer, depending on how much he is involved in the process.

In bigger companies, I imagine the designer communicates what he wants how the gui should behave, and the programmer takes all that things of how to implement it and writes the code for it.
But it all depends how strictly design and programming is separated from each other.

>>166793228
But this counts as a bug doesn't it? If the bug got fixed the game is like the designer imagined it again.

>>166789870
FUCKING YESDEV LEAVE REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>166793898
>But this counts as a bug doesn't it?
Yes, you dumbass, that's the point.
>Code doesn't do any damage to the game
t. retard

>>166793231
But it does. You can - of course - be a programmer and a designer at the same time.

I guess I just separate design and programming more than others.

>>166794072
Ok, then: It does damage to the game, but not to the game design. There, I fixed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24kOUmEk0nI

LOL