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>[Rerun: Prison Tower's Howling Demon of Vengeance]
http://news.fate-go.jp/2017/ezqrc6/
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/quest_event_20170125.php#nav

>News
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaUHCxrWXRo
- Latest changes: http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/news.php
- New ver - emulators, rooted androids, jailbroken iPhones&androids with developer options on are prevented from launching game
- Upcoming animation update for remaining F/SN Servants
- Half AP main story missions until February 8th
- FGO PS4 VR in development: http://news.fate-go.jp/2017/rswcrc/

>Dropmaps
http://imgur.com/a/6nXq9

>FAQ
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA

>Mega Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk

>TLs Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/cJ9J0t45

>Grand Time Temple Solomon and General Profiles Translation
http://pastebin.com/yP9nRYZM

>Fate/Grand Order Material Book III
https://www.mediafire.com/?e97zcwaov6noys2

>FL Spreadsheet (last reset: Dec.7)
Add yourself https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScCq3eZgh3zlUtZ3G6Y-zzv1kaXt4GHuWVBRlV__V3Q3rC2Pg/viewform
View list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FSN1kmzso2itgjWzaGfysZ5WhEjiL5EcyjGr4k6DffA

>Wiki
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org

>Materials, experience and event AP simulators
http://fgosimulator.webcrow.jp/

>Alternate servant/CE DB
http://kazemai.github.io/fgo-vz/servant.html
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THIS IS AN AUTISM FREE ZONE

IF YOU ARE AUTISTIC OR PLAN TO BE PLEASE LEAVE

THANK YOU
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xth for best archer.
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>a whole week of NOTHING
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Sita when?
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I want to gently make burgers for me and my daughter so we can enjoy them on lunch together.
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LIZ THREAD
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Nowadays, whenever people hear about TYPE MOON works, they will always put Fate (as in Fate route of Fate/Stay Night) as reference. Some of the people here in my country did not even know anything about the whole Fate/Stay Night game, and even fewer people here are excited about a Heaven's Feel release.

I had only encountered one guy who plays Fate Grand Order on his tablet. Such a shame that I did not get his code in time. -.-

The only one that knows that there is more than one route of Fate/Stay Night and that there is more to TYPE MOON series than Fate is the female caretaker of our house. I introduced her first to Kara no Kyoukai (all eight movies in one sitting by the way), then the DEEN adaptation of FSN, then properly explained to her some of the scenes from DEEN that made it a mixed up mess. We then moved on to Fate/Zero, then introduced to her the UBW route of 2014.

The only thing that I haven't showed her yet is Kagetsu Tohya.
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Strongest servant reporting in
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>>166639056
The NTR doujins can't come soon enough
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>>166638909
>B-rank
NPs have had their ranks changed many times. We just have to accept that it was upgraded to A rank.
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>>166639090
This is probably pasta from somewhere
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>>166639110
Karna raised his attack to A-Rank by thrusting a little harder

Atalanata raised her arrow's to A-rank by pulling on her bow a little harder

Arturia probably just put more prana into the burst and up'd it to A-rank, precedent would suggest as much.
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Hey guys what's up?
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>>166639175
>probably
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>>166639192
I don't care enough to look it up
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Cute rider coming through!
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>>166639056
>Rama has line where you have Sita
>Says they still can't be together

For fuck sake.
Do we have to use a CS to make it happen?
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>>166639353
Why the fuck would you want them together? That just makes it harder to fuck them.
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>>166639353
If you mindbreak Rama into only loving your cock he will be able to see her since they won't be lovers anymore!
>>166639376
Making Sita watch would be very hot
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>People spending money on Dantes

>mfw got him with the ticket from the third day the first time they did this event
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>>166639189
Too soon, delete this.
F
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>>166639412
Have her stand in another room and watch through a window.
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>>166639442
>Got him the first time around with a ticket
>Now he's NP2 after using another ticket
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> Mats tell us he has all his gear from his other classes and ability to use them in Saber Class
> Doesn't tell us what said gear is

How am I supposed to argue he's top tier now, nasu?
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>>166638992
>nothing and nobody is left in thread other than a tumbleweed rolling around
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>>166639608
Read his book
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>>166639090
Pretty sure people think of UBW as it is by far the most popular route and series
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>>166639010
DESIGNATED
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>Every guy wants to date Rin Tohsaka

Every guy except Issei?
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>>166639189
I've read her interview how she thought herself too busy with work and couldn't get enough time off to get married to someone, I hope now that she seems to be taking a break she can find a decent husband like she said she wanted.
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>want to roll Dantes
>lost my account because my phone broke
Kill me
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>>166639663
> Nasuverse
> Being a good indicator of Curry power levels when Arjuna is massively shitter than Karna
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>>166639035

Your welcome. Just wish you actually did LB lunchtime but ill keep you around.
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>>166639353
They are together in chubichuki already
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>>166639714
>HF is consistently rated the better route
>Zero did better then UBW did as an anime
???
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Good morning, /fgog/. It's been awhile.
>>166639795
Issei is gay. What a surprise.
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>>166639442
>Not getting him the first day with the first ticket used
Get on my level
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Why do some Saberfaces have ahegaos and some don't?
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>>166639921
>ahegaos
anon...
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>>166639921
Read H/A
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>>166639843
Well at least you will know what kind of shit he could get, now how Nasu will make they work it's always a surprise
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>>166639884
Good morning.
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>>166639884
Is Issei passionate about dominating men?

After all, there's nothing like the feeling of another man submitting to your will.
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ayy yo where the King of Knights at?
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>>166639921
>ahegaos

Here's a cat one.
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>>166639840
W-What he going to do with that Caladbolg?
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>>166639865
>HF is consistently rated the better route


UBW is the best route.

*Its the only route where Shirou actually arrives into a healthy and mature conclusion(unlike fate and HF where he arrives at opposite extremes).
* Most badass Shirou with the best lines.
* It has the focus on the best girl on the whole VN, Rin, with her natural and interesting character growth .
* It is the most "gray morality" route out of all three. There's no "good" answer and both villains and heroes are shown to be flawed people with not that clear of a roles(Caster is one of the most interesting villains in FSN) and the central conflict of the route has nothing to do with "good and evil" but simply about perception of yourself. Hell, even Gilgamesh has understandable and clearly outlines motives in UBW.
* Shinji gets a fitting end. I always found him just getting killed off cheap. Having to live with yourself with the realization at what you did and what you experienced is a fitting price for him. And Sakura gets to have her old brother, before all the nonsense started, back. So Shinji BOTH gets a fitting punishment for his behavior AND becomes a better person from it.
* Perfect ending. Fate ending was great(and HF true felt like an asspull), but UBW ending felt very fulfilling and fitting as Rin and Shirou face the unknown future together, having become better people than they started out as.
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>>166639840
Kek this remind me of me last year.
>take pictures of account in case it's stolen
>save my bindcode in my phone's notebook
>phone gets broken
>lose everything
All of this because I was too lazy to transfer those infos on my pc.
We didnt care much my old acc had Eluck
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>>166639843
When I read their profiles it seems that the case is more about Karna being way too fucking strong that Arjuna being a shitter desu
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>>166639990
>Arthur love Shirou
>Gawain said to Nameless that he remind him of Agravain
What does it mean
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>>166640037
He is an asexual monk who doesn't trust Rin for some reason
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>>166640138
>That Arjuna
Should be than
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>>166640094
Make her swallow it.
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>>166640193
Seiba wanted Agravain's dick
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>>166640046
I hope Agravain doesn't caught wind of the whole "wanting to slave his king" thing
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>>166640037
He seems more like the kind of guy who would be a sub in bed. Don't bossy types and actual big bosses usually want to be dominated as means of escapism?
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>>166640195
I see we have another closet case.
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>>166640193
EMIYA kept the group together just like Agravain.
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>>166640193
That Agravain is a man of steel and he can't become playable soon enough.
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>>166640046
Tiberius get in gacha already
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>>166640351
I hope he has lines for Artoria too
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I need advice about starting this game. I want to buy a starter account to give myself a decent start but I have no clue what is good. i can probably spend about 50$, around how many SSRs in an account should that get me?Any advice on some SSRs I should definitely start with?
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>>166640306
How can /fgog/ say that UBW is not the best route?
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>>166639042
Works for me, I need to farm shit to finish ascending all the brozes
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>>166640037
Who's gayer, Issei or Mac?
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>>166640363
He isn't interested in flat chest woman
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>>166640414
What about Titoria?
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>>166640363
ARTURIA is the correct and official translation.
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>>166640378
Cu Alter
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Reminder if Quetz is a dude but his gender can change because people associate venus with women then King Arthur who people think is male should also be summoned as a proper male even if he was a woman in life.
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I don't think I will be able to roll Dantes this time too guys.

wat do?
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Guan Yu 5* when lads?
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>>166605875
Andromalius was the last pillar fought in Solomon anon. In Dantes inderlude you even get to hear the same music as in the final singularity, is obvious that it happens after the fact because of what the interlude is about in the first place (defeated foes come back to torment MC's mind).
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>Roman only became popular at the moment of his death
>no fanservice events regarding the man from here on out
>we can't give him chocolate
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>>166640487
How many times do I have to tell you? DON'T THINK ABOUT IT ANON
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>>166640116
Is this pasta?
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>>166640506
I got you Senpai
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>>166640524
make a shrine for him homo
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>>166640524
If DW is competent, they could give us a flashback of us giving him chocolate
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>last thread full of actual discussion instead of shitposting

What the fuck is going on
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>>166640530
Find a flaw in the UBW route.
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>Cracked APK
>Emulators
>Cheat Apk
What happened
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>>166640524
Lad he's going to be the heroine of part 2
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>>166640524
Nobody cares about meek nice guys until they go through their beta uprising moment.
Be glad he did so and was still on our side after all the abuse and bullying he received.
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>>166640487
The reason Quetz is a girl is because they wanted a spanish onee-san, anything else on the topic was bullshit made up afterwards.
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>>166640572
Chinks got cheat apk for chinkgo if you're not afraid of literally getting banned out of nowhere :^)
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Nobu a CUTE.
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>>166640571
So yes then. You fags need to keep this shit in /a/.
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>>166640571
Flaw in the UBW route.
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>>166640572
Anal tier security. You can't even have debug mode on anymore. The game does so many checks it can lock you out of a legit phone because a wrong wallpaper can trigger the system.
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>>166640363
>Gil will finally have someone to talk to about his corrupting fetish
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>>166640487
>implying Quetz doesn't prefer being a qt onee-san in general
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Is FUNNY VAMP the only servant we're missing from Extra now?
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>>166640568
I stopped asking stupid questions about worldbuilding to encourage discussion, so now we're back to cuckposting.
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>>166640571
How the fuck did Archer survive for so long?
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Liz is the one thing to ever have gone right in the whole cosmos
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>>166640709
>Saver
>Armstrong
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>>166640571
Plot armor.
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>>166640568
I complained and argued about the plight of being an ayylmao in a universe where only man matters.
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>>166640774
How so?
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Post Tamamo
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>>166640869
Tamamo
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>>166640571
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>>166640869
Tamamo
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>>166640138
Well, as a Servant, Karna isn't screwed over and over by the curry gods, so he should be at least a little stronger than Arjuna.
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>>166640378
You should definitely listen to >>166640480
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>>166640869
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>>166640869
Tamamo
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>>166640906
>>166640923
>>166640979
>>166640980
Thanks
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>>166640729
Who?
Look, there is only one thing that matters in the Fateverse, and that is Saberfaces.
I don't see a Saberface on her, therefore she is irrelevant and unwanted. Remove.
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>>166640826
The plot armor of the protagonist of course.
The hero has to win against the vilain, classic.
So instead of finding a good way to make him win let's just say that the bad guy will let himself get his arm cut off because of his pride not allowing him to kill the guy on the spot.
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>>166640378
Don't spend that much, you shouldn't be spending more than 10 dollars.

Look out for Cu Alter (with the fastwheel CE if possible), Jeanne Alter, Merlin and Waver.
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>>166641143
Retardness is weakness.
Can you win a chess if you have brain problem?
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>>166640581
> alternate universe genderbent Solomon as 1.5 limited servant
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>>166640962
Is he a plug and play character that can fit most teams or something? Thanks! I'll look for an account with one.
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>>166639183
Karna raised his attack to A-Rank with "transcendent skill", and the thing Atalanta did is noted to be a specific property that applies only to bows.
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>>166639189
What's the purpose of this post? Just to show how much of a disgusting piece of shit you are? We're aware of that, you're overdoing it.
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I really wish we could have someone using Zelrecht sword in GO as an NP and not a craft essence. It looks pretty
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xth for cake
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>>166641307
He's the strongest Zerker in the game.
Well, strongest that doesn't die to a gust of wind, with Merlin to boost Buster he becomes even stronger.
He'll serve you well.
Or you could just say to hell with gameplay and buy an account with the characters you like, even if they won't be as powerful as this combo.
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>>166641342
Just wait for limited time 4* Rin with the HF movie promotion.
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>>166639189
Who?
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>>166641392
Disrespectful
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>>166641220
I make a lot of money and I have no gf and barely any friends so all I have are these waifu games. So I want as strong a start as possible before I end up whaling more. Thanks for the character suggestions!
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>>166641057
Here, I took Arturia's Typemoon's April's Fools art's face and stuck it over Liz's. Now she has a Saber face! Are you happy?! Now just go away! Leave me alone! I didn't even want any (you)s this time! Geez!
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>>166641463
Buy some prostitutes to be your friend
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>>166641381
Makes sense. Thanks!
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>>166641463
I understand that your money availability is large. I am just telling you that anyone asking for more than 10$ is outright stripping you of your money.

It's the axioms of rational choice, anon.
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>>166640378
The game isn't even hard. If you want to buy an account, do so with characters you like.
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>>166641220
How exactly Kayneth CE interacts with dodges? If you activate dodge and enemy hits you, does that trigger a stack on CE?
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>>166640673
>Anal tier security
you ever think maybe we wouldn't have this if some retarded faggots didn't insist on pointlessly cheating in a fucking mobage?
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>>166640869
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>>166641342
Caster Zelretch
HF Rin
Kaleidogirl Ruby using the buster cannon gattai from Battle Moon Wars
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>>166641550
Right now I'm looking at r/go trades for these accounts and it doesn't seem like 10$ can get me too much. Anywhere else I should look?
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>>166641496
Still not a complete saberface, she needs to be blond.
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>>166641496
Traced
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Does /fgog/ hate your favorite character?
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>>166641730
More or less.
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>>166641730
Yes

It's just secondaries shitposting though, doesn't bother me
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>>166641730
They made Illya one of the worst 5*
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>>166641730
yeah they hate medb
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>>166641656
If all GBF bots are any indication people are more likely to cheat in a mobile game that is repetitive and progress takes forever than normal games.
Or do you think people don't cheat on MMOs either?
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>>166641654
the CE takes a hit and leaves the dodge alone, works best with PFA since it lasts for 3 hits

so KFC on Cu is 6 free hits
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>>166641496
YOU USELESS FUCKING SERVANT, TRASH GARBAGE, I CAN'T TAKE YOU ANYWHERE YOU EMBARRASSMENT
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>>166641716
> Implying
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>>166641710
Beats me. Sometimes people give them out for free. Keep me posted, if nothing comes up I will give you an old account of mine.

>>166641654
never tried using both at the same times, so I don't know.
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>>166641797
You mean 5. Those niggers were talking about DinoCu.
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>>166641230
No that's plot armor giving the bad guy the flaw randomly instead of concluding the route correctly.
What hurted his pride more, killing a guy or losing an arm to him? The latter.
Reminder that he didn't bother with small fries such as sella, killing them on the spot but not with the protagonist.
The pride things come when the plot needs it. There was many way for shirou to win this but first the pride excuse then the grail then redman?
Ending was underwhelming
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>>166641802
Archimedes stop acting like you hate her when you bring her along in every route you fucking tsuntsun
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>>166641730
Not really, most people who like Apo either hate or are indifferent to her but this thread isn't filled with it's biggest fans so they give it a pass
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>>166641430
No I'm being serious. I don't know who this is.
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>>166641871
Don't bully the math.
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>>166641894
>liking Apoc
Is such thing even possible?
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>>166641797
>>166641842
Then what's the point of that CE on Cu if he doesn't benefit from invul while Protection from Arrow is on cd?
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>>166641931
It's better than FSN in a lot of ways.
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>>166641730
One guy really hates her and looked like he was on a crusade once against her and he goes on about that whenever I see someone posting her, luckily she isn't that popular so she doesn't get much exposure to people who could hate her. The oner would be Siegfried who is a meme and everyone loves memes
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>>166641730
Yes, but like most reasons for hating, I can't tell if it's genuine hate or if they're just memeing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m1WBUkTecw
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>>166641894
I want to marinate her eggs with my cum and make her a mommy!
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>>166640378
You play this game for your favorite servants of the fate feanchise not for gameplay purpose.
If you get in the game without knowing anything that's already pretty bad for you, that's hell you're walking into.
But if you really want you should start with a shit account then know the game and the servants you like then buy an account with them already rolled
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>>166641730
No, he was one of the more liked Lancers.
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>>166641778
No, there are cheaters in every game. It's a problem when it becomes 'mainstream'. Nobody cares if some guy works his ass off to make a modified apk for himself every patch, but when you have this shit floating around with how-to pastebins, screencaps and thousands are doing it of course they will double down on it. Reminds of me of when bots like redvex and mmbot and maphacks in D2 became too popular and blizzard fucked everyone up their ass with warden.
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>>166641968
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>>166641973
Medea?
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>>166641730
i don't know, nobody ever talks about her
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>>166641983
>muh purity

What's wrong with Rin having an active sex life?
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>Use my daily chuuni ticket
>Knight's Pride
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>>166641778
The irony is that some cheat apk's had better qol improvements that the devs never implemented

-Sort friend list by event CE
-Less Particles to improve fps
-Skip NP Animation
-Autoselect exp/fous when feeding servants
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>>166640138
Arjuna isn't even that bad going by his showing. Even as an Archer in close combat with a Lancer, he was holding his own for a while. He was progressively wearing out, but he was still doing a good job, and his NPs are good. The biggest offense to him is not having some sort of Brahmastra when Karna has a line about how his isn't an imitation of Arjuna's.

I don't get how people call him a shitter when, going by the newer versions of the Mahab, most of Karna's loses can be attributed to his curses and not by being outskilled. Hell, the story has Krishna calling Karna stronger than Arjuna by a good deal. The only thing against Arjuna was Cu Alter saying that he didn't believe Arjuna could beat Scat, but I wouldn't trust Cu Alter when he knows Scat better than he knows Arjuna.
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>>166641730
Nope. The majority either like Enkidu or have no real opinion regarding him. Like most 5* upon release there was a surge of shitposting but it was quelled in like a week.
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>>166642040
Apparently having sex with someone = massive slut who gives herself to old men and that liking that person in any capacity means you like being cucked.
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>>166641730
Not a hivemind
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>>166641931
Yes?

Apoc's got a really solid first half and the second half from a characterization point of view is actually fairly well done.

Theres alot of good developement and some genuinely enjoyable moments.

It just has an out-of-nowhere ending and the dynamic of making the protagonist strong enough to match his foes was ass-pulled.

It wasn't a bad story, it just wasn't handled well in alot of ways.
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Can anyone stop this absolute mad man
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>>166641804
I can't find any cu alter accounts but I see this one for 30$.

Http://imgur.com/a/sAmAm

What do you think? Go for it or is it a total ripoff?
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>>166641931
Apoc has some good fights in the first two volumes.
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>>166641909
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>>166642026
I won't say who she is cause that would be inviting shitposting, but it's not Medea even less popular
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>>166642115
>It wasn't a bad story, it just wasn't handled well in alot of ways.

You could say the same thing about FSN.
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>>166641730
>Kojiro and Ozzy
Please spare me
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>>166642123
Why does Dantes have so much r63?
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>>166641730
I don't think they're hated, but the way they get used in powerlevel arguments every few threads sucks hard.
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>Apoc Internet Defense Force is back
I suppose it's preparation for claiming the anime just ruined the LNs when it turns out to be shit.
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>>166642202
Nobody hates those two.
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>>166642054
>no mention of jukebox
Also the skip NP is just a meme button.
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>>166642127
Now, there are a lot of good CEs and a few 5*. But the point is that only Jeanne Alter and Waver Velvet there are good gameplay-wise.

I wouldn't buy it if you want a top-notch start. If it contains any of your favorites, consider it.

Your favorites are the main reason why you should be playing the game.
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>>166642131
>there's someone who really, really hates her in these threads for whatever reason
Makes sense.
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>>166641730
One person seems to. Then there are a few fans of her and the rest presumably don't care either way.
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What's with all the Tsukihime banners on 4chan?
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>>166642056
>but I wouldn't trust Cu Alter when he knows Scat better than he knows Arjuna.
This, especially when the materials confirm he sees her as the greatest obstacle that he needs to overcome.

Arjuna's not even that bad, Gandiva isn't flashy but it's the equivalent of a machine gun firing cruise missiles that home in on you. It's easily enough to wreck most Servants' shit.
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>>166642242
>no one hates Ozzy
This isn't true at all
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>>166642242
I hate Ozzy and his voice. The samurai is alright.
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>>166642225
No, the LNs had some issues (like trying to be a shittier Fate route), but it had some enjoyable stuff. I think the anime will make it better if anything. Apoc's strong points were its fights, and I just hope they'll be done justice.
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>>166642207
Because best boys make even better girls
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>>166642287
Remake announcement soon my friend.
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>>166641730
My favourite Fate has been shitposted about so much I can't even really post them at all.
>>166642287
Turkeyhandle was a pretty large part of early 4chan culture.
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>>166642054
>sort friendlist by event CE
We can do that though
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>>166641987
Dumas is literally /ourguy/. Too bad he's going down early because anyone can cap that fool.
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>>166642317
>>166642225
It will surpass Fate/Zero in quality and popularity.
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>>166642242
>no one hate Ozzy
You don't legitly believe this right?
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>>166642202
I like Kojiro enough to try maining him in FUC.
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>>166642353
Screencaped to laugh at later
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>>166641710
Look on Buyee, I bought an account there. I think that cheap starter accounts can only get you up to 3 5* though.
Also, people were right to recommend Merlin, Waver and Cu Alter, but look out for Scat too.

>>166641934
You know that the dodges are two times and not two turns, right? Once you run out of invulns, the dodges are used, and before you know it the cd is over and Cu hasn't taken much damage (if any).
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>>166642353
>quality
Literally impossible with the differences in both studio and source material
>popularity
Highly unlikely, also probably impossible
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>>166642290
Arjuna's the kind of guy who would trash anything not in the top tier, similar to Herc or Siegfried. They have some sort of overwhelming defense or offense that completely outdoes most other servants, and only a small percent actually invalidates it. For example, as much as Herc gets shit on by people, only a small percent of servants can actually hope to beat him.
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>>166642228
On second thought, I'm going to delete this one too since my own grammar mistake is triggering my OCD

>>166642270
You did that on purpose, didn't you?!
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>>166642347
>My favourite Fate has been shitposted about so much I can't even really post them at all.
Apocrypha?
>>166642354
>all this Ozzy hate
What the hell happened while I was gone? Did an Ozzyfag ruin him or have his obnoxious skill activation lines finally driven people mad?
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>>166642317
>>166642225
>>166642353
>A-1
>surpassing anyone in anything

Fuck off
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>>166642353
People like FZ because,muh adult Mage Masters and lot of blood spilling,Apo doesn't have that
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>>166642421
UFO hasn't been as good lately. The way they do human characters now doesn't look good.
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>>166642442
No.

I'm not going to be any more specific then that either.
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>>166642442
Ozzyhater isn't vocal
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>>166642425
Plus Arjuna's got an NP that actually increases in effectiveness the more heroic and divine you are, and a lot of the top tiers are both.
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>>166642448
There was only one mage battle though
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>>166642430
>On second thought, I'm going to delete this one too
Anon please calm down. Find peace within yourself.
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>>166642443
Never said they would, I just said I'll be happy to see the fights animated.
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>>166642491
UFO has seriously gone down the shitter but that doesn't matter since Zero was 5 years ago.
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>>166642543
Cute manaka
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>>166642491
Didn't they have production trouble with UBW and God Eater?
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>>166642353
The only things that will get popular (or more) out of Apocrypha are Jeanne, Astolfo, and Mordred.
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>>166642636
>two awful characters and a bad one
It will be like Zero all over again
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>>166642264
Yeah I'd prefer playing with my favorites but I've only played the original vn so I don't even know most of these servants. And I'm generally a tierfag so my favorites are often just the best characters. I'll keep looking more thanks.
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>>166641730
I don't think he's hated as a whole, but there are some vocal ones that very clearly don't like him.
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>>166642346
are they saving it for the 20th anniversary like yu-no?
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>>166642543
I am calm! Despite what it may look like! [Spoiler] Also, I have already found peace within myself and I'm very happy about it! Thanks for showing concern anyway! [/spoiler]
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>>166642572
Didn't UBW bankrupt them
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>>166642719
>those spoilers
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>>166642636
I think Siegfried and Karna will probably get a boost too.
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>>166642719
Are you going to delete this one too because of the failed spoiler?
Use ctrl+s next time.
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>>166642741
that is why miura got booted from the team
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>>166642719
Oh god! What have I done! This is too shameful!
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>>166642669
>original VN

In that case, Rider, Caster and Lancer are all silver servants. You can easily get them, so there's no point in buying an account for them.

Rin, EMIYA and Gilgamesh are all archers. I think Gilgamesh is the strongest of the three, but most accounts should have welfare Kuro which is very good for single target NP damage.

Artoria Saber is trash. All assassins are bronze servants, i.e. you can get them easily from the free gacha.

Top tier servants are, as I said, Cu Alter, Jeanne Alter, Merlin, Waver, and a lot of situational ones like for instance Scathach.
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>>166642741
I hope so, it was bad enough to
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>>166642719
anon...
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>>166642719
>>166642752

Eh, not really. I'm just going to excuse myself for the day. I shouldn't be here at any rate

>>166642752
It might actually have been on purpose, you know!
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>>166642741
No, zestria X was strong
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>>166642910
oh look, it's the "merely pretending" defence
everyone, point and laugh
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>>166642605
UBW didn't had production problems. Precisely because of that God Eater had the biggest production problems in years, they basically sacrificed God Eater for UBW.
Everyone was calling it already though, airing God Eater just after a big production was an awful idea, Ufotable is a just small studio.
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>>166642826
what was bad about it? it was more successful than zero.
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>>166642910
See >>166642770 newfriend.
You won't miss spoiler like this
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>>166642910
Oops, meant to reply to >>166642770 with the first one
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>>166642954
There are more then enough copypastas about UBW, I don't want to add another

I'll just say I personally thought it was bad enough to just drop and never finish, and this was after rereading the VN for a refresher and to compare.
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>>166642954
It sold less while costing way more to make and fucked up their next show
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>>166642741
Are people just flagging when they say this?
UBW is in the top 10 of best sold TV series of the last 10 years. Besides, BD sales don't even affect the studio, just the production committee.
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>>166642986
My sides.
You need sleep anon, rest well.
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>>166643025
What did you notice on the reread?
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>>166642954
Best adaptation of a VN route in years. Problem is people really use shitpost at this point with things like "they didn't have sex" or "not every monologue was there" as if that could ever happen.
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>>166643045
The world doesn't instantly give you your money back
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>>166642317
I'd say Fate/ franchise is facing the same problems as any long running franchise is bound to have. There's a limit as to how creative person can be and the ideas have to run out sooner or later. All the faster if you concentrate on one topic. It's still pretty respectable how interesting they managed to keep the franchise across so many spin-offs and thirteen years long.
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>>166642430
No. It was an honest answer.
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>>166643132
They trimmed the Shirou and Archer fight and cut key dialogue while going in circles.
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>>166642770
>>166642973
>mfw I'm actually a very, very old friend

I'll check that out later when I can if it's a thing though, thanks
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>tfw no For Honor betakey
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>>166643136
Ufotable didn't fund UBW though, and they aren't going to win much or anything at all regardless of how successful their Fate adaptation BDs are, this applies to all, Zero, UBW and HF.
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>>166643141
There was fuck all spinoff when the LN was made
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>>166640524
He was reasonably well liked in Japan IIRC.
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>>166643197
>They trimmed the Shirou and Archer fight
Could have picked a better example, almost every single line of that specific fight is there and they even made Shirou resolution clear and well directed with some nice insight of his mind.

This is something that most people who saw the episode were fascinated by until the MAL shitposter and the ANN review came by.
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>>166640594
>Quetz
>Spanish
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>>166643078
In the VN that I didn't notice the first time? Foreshadowing, comparing character portrayals, that kind of thing mostly. The meme that Gil abruptly changes character for kind of poor reasons between routes is true, the meme that Rin is at her worst in her own route is true she's a far stronger character even before development in HF, Kirei is actually kind of shitty outside of HF, although that's more then made up by Nakatas delivery of his lines, Ilya is worse then I remembered and now she seems overrated, I had to struggle not to project character traits on Rider that didn't actually appear until Ataraxia but the meme that she has no character at all in F/SN isn't particularly accurate, I enjoyed Caster far more as a character on the reread but her plan was fucking stupid and held together with luck and duct tape

One of the largest things was seeing Saber as an actual flawed character again, which was a fucking pleasant shock after years of wank and was quite refreshing. Still ended with the same tier list for routes and girls that I had the first time though, which was Sakura>Saber>Rin and HF>UBW>Fate

I normally don't recommend rereading VNs but it had been a very long time since I touched the original and if someone else is thinking about it you should

If you meant just compared to the anime, there's far too much shit to list that got changed for better or worse (mostly worse in my opinion) and other people have already done it.
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>Do Orion's interlude to get quartz for Dantes
>The summer battle theme plays
Was the Summer the comfiest event?
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>Lvl 100+ friends with no Solomon emblem

How
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>>166643046
I actually meant "with the second" instead of "first" since the first was me. Yeah, I slept for less than 5 hours last night. Will make sure to rest well today.

>>166643149
Talking about replying to my deleted reply instead of the newer one. I'm not even sure what you meant.

Anyway, have a nice day /fgog/
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>>166643483
>speaks spanish with a godawful Jap impersonation of a spanish acccent
>addicted to Luchadore wrestling to the point where it makes up half her profile and replaces her NP
I know she's supposed to be Aztec but man did they drop the fucking ball with that one
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What fights would you like to see that you know will never happen in canon?
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>>166643615
>Luchadore wrestling
>Spanish
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>>166643638
My dick versus Helenas womb
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>>166643638
End of Apoc Karna V Numeral Gawain.
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>>166643638
Grail boosted Bazett having a half naked fistfight against Beowulf on some skyscraper's rooftop.
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>>166643696
My dick versus this guy's butt.
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>>166643696
this
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>>166643732
That wouldn't be a fight
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>>166643698
>Numeral Gawain.
He's crap now went from being able to beat both cu and Lu bu at the same time with Leo as his master to barely being able to beat Lu bu
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>>166643780
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>>166643818
Numeral Gawain was never said to be able to take on Cu and Lu Bu at once.

Numeral Gawain with Leo as his Master, on the other hand, was.
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>>166643818
Reminder than Lu Bu is stronger than Karna in Extella.
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I don't have merlin, what should I grail boost? Waver?
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>>166643924
Lu Bu has a conceptual advantage in Musou.
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>>166643937
Grail the one you like the most.
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>>166643818
>>166643913
When was that mentioned?
All that was said was that Leo could beat Rin and Rani as far as I remember, nothing about the servants.
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>>166643913
Guess Leo as a master means his servant is more than double as strong than servants equal to him with two of the best masters in the war then
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>>166643638
Arturia vs Hercules vs Cu Chulainn with all of their NPs.
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>>166643818
Leo has always been a big deal. Leo is the best master you can have because he gives full mana support, is actually good with battle tactics, and provides good magecraft support. In all seriousness, in a regular Grail war with any decent servant, he usually stomps.
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>>166644041
Leo's a fucking phenomenal Master, anon. He's the sole reason Karna lost to Gawain.
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>>166643924
And cu is said to be as strong as Lu bu in extra
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>>166641730
I like Gilgamesh, Nero and Arcueid. All get hate for varying reasons.
Also like Dantés, Nitocris and Drake, no hate for those that I've seen.
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>>166643937
Waver gets no benefit from grails and neither does Merlin.
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>>166644102
Being amazing and making a servant be able to fight two servants who are as strong as you is a bit ridiculous. The more realistic answer is Lu bu got buffed and Gawain got nerfed a lot
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>>166643638
Saver vs Artoria
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>>166644102
>He's the sole reason Karna lost to Gawain.
That's Jinako. As long as Gawain's master isn't a shitter, he can win against that. And that applies to most decent servants as well really.
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>>166644196
Gawain's pretty good on offense, but Leo specializes in defense and Numeral makes him fucking invincible all on its own. With Leo and Numeral, he's all but legit invincible.
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>>166644275
>Ecksu-calibaaaah
Fight over.
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>>166644321
Gawain is actually famous for his defense gets mentioned in Camelot too
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>>166640046
>rules the best empire
>has the finest sword
>has the best army
>can into martial arts
>can do high-speed regeneration
>can punch Gawain to next Sunday
>strikes fear into easterners and demons alike
>is not a girl
>is not a manlet
>is not hetshit
>is not fat
>is not brain damaged
>can speak coherently
>does not foam at the mouth
How can other imperatores even compete?
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>play Dantes Event
>he does no damage also dying from standard attacks on the second fight
Okay I guess I'm not rolling him
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>>166644284
Leo played a big part in it. It was Gawain at his best with a master actively supporting him against Karna at his worst with a master who actually gave him a command that lost him the fight.
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>>166643615
Spain doesn't have Lucha Libre, you ignorant burger.
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>>166644403
Too bad he can't survive a single swordbeam
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>>166644482
Only karna can
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>>166643924
>>166644105
>Reminder than Lu Bu is stronger than Karna in Extella
Actually, is directly said that Karna is the strongest member in Tamamo's team various times, so no.
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What does Gawain's Siege Perilous skill even do? Isn't it supposed to be a chair?
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>>166644418
you're right not to.
You're not supposed to roll according to gameplay
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>>166643497
why doesn't Rin at all summon Saber while she's tied up in a chair?
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>>166644476
He only interfered when Karna fired Vasavi though.
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>>166644521
Lu Bu tanked Galatine
King Hassan tanked Galantine with Gift buff
Fake Siegfried tanked Clarent
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>>166643424
Not every monologue was there, not even the bad ones, so it's a bad adaption.
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>>166644576
It's Belt of someone I don't remember
Siege Perilous would be a thing for Galahad more than anyone else
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>>166644567
>Karna can't do shit against Numeral Gawain
>Lu Bu can stall it
Explain this then.
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>>166644610
He was canceling Karna's skills as well. When Karna tried to buff, Leo interfered and stopped him.
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>>166644610
He cancelled Kavacha Kundala
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>>166644694
He had it in Extra.
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>>166643424
People were ragging on that shitshow the day it aired, I still remember people going off on /a/ about it

Don't pretend everyone loved it and one outsider ruined it
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>>166644707
Karna never fought Numeral Gawain.
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>>166644707
Servants get boosts when summoned in their homelands, that guy is Lu Bu and Extella is a musou clone
You should know what you aren't supposed to do
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>>166643615
>americans

Every time
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>>166644796
Link that thread. Because it only became a shitshow after cookingpriest.
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>>166644707
Lu Bu was expendable though, he had no other use there that to stall Gawain. It was his perfect role.
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>>166643967
Cheers for the laugh anon.
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>>166644646
>King Hassan tanked Galantine with Gift buff

That was a regular slash though.
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>>166644907
Who is this man?
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>>166641730
Yes
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>>166644817
By his own words, only Lu Bu could be Numeral Gawain opponent.
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>>166644646
>King Hassan tanked Galantine with Gift buff
He parried it, get it right.
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>>166644707
Tamamo literally says Karna is their trump card. Karna never fought Gawain because it'd be too overkill to send him fight Gawain. Lu Bu was enough to stall.
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>>166644076
There's literally no such thing as a regular grail war.

There will always be some bullshit gimmick, retarded attempt at a cheat by one of the masters, or outside interference that fucks it all up.
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>>166645026
He just says that Lu Bu can do it. And it turns to be true.
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>>166645116
Apoc was full of half baked, but otherwise normal, grail wars before the Great Grail War.
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>>166644918
Keep telling yourself that, pal. You gotta learn to deal with the fact that no matter what they did, how much time they had, who worked on it, people would still complain. The key is to ignore the negativity.

>Why is there no fire?
>Battle to the Strong
>Why isn't there Emiya - Time Alter?
>Why can Kirei block bullets?
>Why isn't Iri in a black dress?
>Why is the Grail Kerry's island and not total hell?
>Why wasn't there the Lancelot flashback?

AND!
>The Blu Rays will fix everything!
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>>166644918
>go find a two year old thread for me because I'm under some wild delusion that everyone on /a/ was holding hands and praising UFOs Shirou and Archer fight
Here's a tip, no aspect of UFO UBW was ever universally liked on /a/ between people who really were just being autistic and the amount of shit UFO actually cocked up.
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>>166645219
If the prize explodes then it's not normal
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>>166645082
>Karna never fought Gawain because it'd be too overkill to send him fight Gawain
Says who?
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>>166645267
>shit UFO actually cocked up

Like what?
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>>166645219
I was under the impression Apoc's grail wars were roughly the same as the messes that were the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in SN except Angry Manjew didn't happen and Shiro being summoned in the 4th plus other stuff led to the Grail being literally stolen.
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>>166644796
>/a/'s opinion on anything

>smugredman.mpeg.exe
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>>166645302
Tamamo calls Karna their best, yet she didn't send him to fight Gawain.
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>>166645219
Isn't it shittier GW that doesn't even held properly and doesn't even give wish granting Grail?
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It is my greatest wish in life to see the 3rd Grail War adapted in full.
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>>166645267
>aspect of UFO UBW was ever universally liked
Of course, but it was also not universally disliked either as some of you want to make it seems.
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>FE Heroes nearly out
>DW still doing reruns
rip fgo
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>>166644361
Artoria would have D and C stats all around. She wouldn't even be able to use Excalibur correctly with C rank Mana. And that's just with Counter Hero active, Saver also has an EX rank skill that negates damage from non-Divine Servants.
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>>166645330
Amakusa was summoned in the third, and between the third and the Apoc war there were dozens of mini grail wars all over the world that went pretty normally.

Hassan absolutely trashed everyone in every war they were in and got blanket banned, I guess so they can say Assassins are useful when someone involved doesn't have plot armour so never
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>>166645330
They were a mixed bag of fuck, some were normal, most of them ended up being a fight for catalysts or a race to see who could summon or counter assassin, and some ended up like the first and second wars of the FSN timeline.
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>>166645443
So who said it will be overkill?
Infact would it be more advantageous if they overkill him?
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>>166645443
Because Karna himself said only Lu Bu could do the job.
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>>166645468
>garbage fanservice game for fatefags will lose popularity when good serious nintendo game for the general public is released
Nah
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>>166645464
There was a lot more hate then praise. That was one of the big differences between the UFO UBW threads and the UFO Zero threads, the Zero threads managed to stop shitposting enough to actually create OC and fuck around with the series more casually while the UBW threads were just nonstop shitposting barring maybe the actual half hour the eps aired.
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>>166645258
Lancer's death was just comedic. They really did a bad job with switching between Archer/Shirou/Saber and Rin/Shinji/Lancer/Kirei, none of the cuts felt natural at all.
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>>166645468
Should I preregister? What do you get for doing that again?
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>>166645454
No Grail War ever had a wish granting grail (except Apoc's main war), so you can't really call that normal anyway.

>>166645559
No one ever said Tamamo was a good leader.
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>>166645504
>there were dozens of grail wars all over the world
>hassans were involved and apparently stomped nearly all of them, meaning Masters likely had a massive fatality rate
>magi are supposed to be extremely rare
>and yet somehow losing hundreds of them all over the globe to a series of grail wars is never a big enough of a deal to be mentioned

Shouldn't they be fucking endangered or something after all that?
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>>166645468
Im already playing GBF
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>>166645573
I he just says that Lu Bu is best for it though. There's also the implication from some lines that Karna's not actually physically there, like how he mentions getting reports from the field.
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>>166645623
I think nothing, but do it anyway if you want to play, it's just a click
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>>166645258
I still don't know why there wasn't Emiya - Time Alter

I mean why else was the piece even composed
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So i just rolled Dantes. Is he decent?
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>>166645654
The entire cock tower, hundreds of mages, gets slaughtered in London but apparently that changed nothing since all the important ones were out for lunch.

Magi are like elves, there's always as many as the plot requires.
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>>166645693
Oh I know. I'm planning on juggling this and FEH. Just wanted to know if there are any perks. Thanks anon.
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>>166645728
As a character, no. As a unit, he's good.
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>>166645468
>game without waifushit
>worth playing
LOL
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>>166645559
No one needed to say it. They'd be wasting their trump card and strongest general if they sent Karna to fight Gawain.
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>>166645654
There's precisely as many magi as Nasu needs for the plot. Never more, never less.
>>166645774
Yeah but that got retconned along with the singularity, didn't it?
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>>166645613
Before UBW was even announced shitposting had already run rampant, even more when it was announced. Zero didn't stop shitposting, those were good threads definitely, but they only brought even more shitposting to the franchise as a whole after it aired.
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how the fuck could assassins stomp any grail war
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>>166645701
It was used for the sound drama. They didn't use it for the anime because they felt it is only suited for Shirou & Archer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6aPk8BHwf0

>Fate Zero book
>Fate Zero drama cds
>Fate Zero sound drama
>Fate Zero anime
>Fate Zero manga
>Fate Zero mobile games

They really milked the shit out of Zero.
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>>166645559
No one ever said Tamamo was good at war. We've already seen that if she actually sends Karna out to fight, he's more than capable of soloing Nero's army and the Forces of Destruction.
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>>166645796
>Fire Emblem
>not waifushit
You can literally marry other characters in the game. Something that you'll never be able to do in F/GO, cuck.
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>>166645468
Great so we can get all these anime secondaries out.
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>>166645884
>Kerrys specific remix of Emiya
>only suited for ShirouxArcher
>version is still played in Prilya
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>>166645613
Upon revisiting the archives, the Fate/Zero threads were a lot more positive and optimistic in a future FSN adaption thanks to the Vita openings while UBW threads were just bitter, complaining and shitposting.
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>>166645258
what is this post trying to convey
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>>166645914
You won't be able to do it in FE Heroes either you retard
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>>166645867
>got retconned along with the singularity
No anyone that dies end up dieing in the main timeline somehow except the deaths from Tiamat and lion king they don't count
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>>166645880
Kill the masters in stealth or gather info in the enemy and use that against them. Family memebrt hostage and shit like that.
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>>166645796
>>166645995
>thinking that FEH won't have waifushit
Good thing Awakening and Fates have that covered.
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>>166645969
I mean it makes sense UBW has worse threads since it was the objectively worse series but they were just so much worse then they should have been. Everyone hated everything.
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>>166645613
>Zero threads managed to stop shitposting enough to actually create OC and fuck around with the series more casually
Because they were full of secondaries and no one gave a shit. Afterwards the shitposting grew bigger than thanks to that.
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>>166646061
>awakening and fates
>games with absolute garbage "waifus"
also I can tell you without a doubt that it won't have waifushit
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>>166646061
Yeah and look what happened to /feg/ because of it. Go shill there.
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>>166645012
>dat assassin arturia
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>>166645880
>be Assassin
>actually use stealth skills and NPs
>actually aim for the enemy master, a human, rather then running off to solo combat heavy Servants
>surprise surprise, you fuck up everyone
Assassin should be the strongest class in any grail war, which is why they are constantly nerfed to the ground by either not being traditional Assassins (Semi, Kojirou) or by being incredibly stupid (100 Face)
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>>166645880
By not sending them directly into combat
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>>166646072
It's sad but true.

>Archer vs Lancer fight (the good one)
>everyone wowed and amazed by the way they animated it
>next thread is full of bitterness and complaining
>repeat for every single thread
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>>166646072
They were like that even before it aired though.
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>>166646163
https://youtu.be/OkrrL_RB0UU
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>>166645880
By playing dirty. Something Japanese writers can't seem to understand properly.
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>>166645880
According to Apocrypha they just fucking butchered the masters in every war they were summoned in. I guess that's what happens when nobody has plot armour and nothing interferes with a regular war.
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So is Cu fucking Scathach some dumb cuck fanfiction or is it actually written in some interlude? The actual legend has Cu fucking Scat's daughter, not her.
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>>166646115
>Because they were full of secondaries

Every single poster was a secondary, you say?
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>>166646218
Yeah but generally threads for something will be shit when nothing is on, then get better while that thing is on, then go back to being shit

Fate threads were shit, got better during Zero, got even worse then before after, then got even worse again during UBW
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You people realize than in terms of adaptation, changed and ignored shit Zero is actually far worse once you read the LNs, right?
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>>166646163
>100 Face
>stupid

You mean Tokiomi
>hurr I command all 100 of you to go fight this Rider so he can showed us his NP
He done exact same thing in Accel Zero too,what a retard
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>>166646369
no
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>>166646310
Friendship of her thighs = sex anon
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>>166646276
10/10
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A lot of /a/ just hates Fate these days.

A shitload of it is down to Zero secondaries being upset the rest of the franchise is so different to it but a lot more of it is just jaded fans pissed at the direction it's taken and not arsed keeping up with it anymore, both of which are always glad to rag on the newer entries and any new media based on their favored ones.

UBW was doomed to be shitposted to death even i it was a perfect adaptation.
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>>166645880
The Apoc wars were basically what would happen if your average person entered a Grail War. Many would boast about their famous hero, and then you'd die seconds later when some rando with an assassin chopped your head off. Assassins were used properly for stealth kills, info gathering, and sabotage, unlike in a fictional story where that won't happen to the main character.
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>>166645939
Here's where they talk about it - https://youtu.be/IFnSyR2bh6Y

One fan brings up Tsukihime and they say "It's up to Aniplex"
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>>166646335
DEEN anime actually got the best threads, it has been downhill ever since then. And no, there isn't that kind of pattern, threads always get worth the more seasons something popular has.
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>>166646305
>>166646498
Way to leave out that they got shit on the second retard shitters stopped being the ones who participated
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>>166646369
Not really. It had scenes axed and monologues cut and Gilles n Ryuunosuke adventures got censored but saying it had outright more changes isn't really true, and the changes in UBW felt far more arbitrary.
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>>166646310
Scat fucked him at the end of his training, same as all of her other students. It's their passage into manhood.
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>>166646480
I'm honestly thinking no one here's going to like the upcoming HF adaptation. That whole "they won't like it unless it's a Let's Play of the VN" is starting to sound true. Even then, they won't like it because it's a Let's Play.
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>>166646605
Assassins stopped winning every single grail war hands down when all the good Assassins got fucking banned for being overpowered.

That's why in Apoc you have Semi whose actually a Caster and Jack whose fucking useless despite both sides trying to dig up the best Assassin catalysts they can, all the good ones had either been used or weren't allowed.
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Why is the Boudica train still going? What triggered this?

At this rate she'll put even Shuten to shame.
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>>166646518
Carnival Phantasm and Type-Moon Fes threads were best imo. CCC threads were good too. Worst I have seen was the amount of shitposting in the UBW threads.
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>>166646667
She ever fucked Ferdiad

>>166646702
>all the good Assassins got fucking banned for being overpowered.
Things that never happened. Assassins lost because people just allied until the Assasin master was dead
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>>166646605
That didn't happen though. Hassans were so fucking successful even after people started to catch onto their tricks they ended up being banned from the system to prevent further summonings.
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>>166646605
Because people finally wizened up and took counter measures against them. Fuck, they probably had a wikipedia page for countering assassins in a Grail War in the Apoc world.
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>>166646713
That's a lot of (You)s
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>>166646679
Look at the reasons why people disliked their UBW series and apply it to HF.
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>>166646679
All I really want out of it is the fights to be good and for the Realta Nua changes not to be used, but yeah. Every minor critique possible will be used to paint it as trash even if it's fantastic.

I bet you autists will legit complain if it uses the True End, too.
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>>166646305
>>166646753
>>166646751
Telling people "Oh assasin did really good" doesn't mean shit

Until I actually see it happen in a story we're actually shown it's just Nasu probably giving instruction to write some bullshit exposition shit because Assassin has never been shown to be worth a single shit if you care about winning a Grail War in any relevant story
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>>166646667
Where is this written
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>>166646704
The anime brought in a lot of newfags.
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>>166646713
>CCC threads were good too.
Wasn't their for them want were they like?
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>>166646771
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>>166646860
But Boudica didn't even appear in the anime.
Why her?
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>>166646480
>jaded fans pissed at the direction it's taken
Can confirm since this is me
>>166646679
HF is a harder route to adapt then UBW, and relies on previous routes more including Fate which got DEENed, and is longer despite movie formatting meaning it will get less minutes then UBW.

I want HF to be good. I really do, HF is my favourite part of Fate period. But I honestly can't see any way it's going to end up good. They can't even just throw more funding and movies at it like with KnK since HF isn't as easily split up into segments.

Adaptions of the F/SN VN are fucking cursed.
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>>166646845
Friendship of the thighs is sex.
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>>166646897
They tried the mobage and got her and liked her.
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>>166646624
What the hell are you doing? It already started.
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>>166646862
There's an archive if you really care to see
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>>166646839
It does matter when it's canon. It's what happens when normalfags rush into a war and don't have plot armor.
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My kouhaiwife is the cutest
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Who /chuu2/ here?
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>>166646897
Her eroge appearance appeal to H-artist
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https://youtu.be/g_ccaIdO5lo

Does /fgog/ think Sabers VA has good voice range?
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>>166646993
So in other words it's something that isn't relevant at all to any actual Fate story where people do have plot armor, which means it's meaningless

I can't wait to see how useless Spooky ends up being in Strange Fake and how they justify Faldeus being a useless retard who probably won't even target the Wolf or Tine
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Who is this loser? I don't remember seeing him.
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>>166646901
Not to mention the fact that everyone pretty much knows about Saber Alter anyway thanks to Carnival Phantasm, Fate Grand/Order, Prisma Illya, whatever, so the impact will be gone.
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>>166646901
Adapting FSN is hard because 3 routes, 40+ endings, optional and extra scenes, secrets you miss if you don't make this choice, additional things they added in F/HA and Fate/Complete Material, etc.
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>>166647002

Sweaty Mashu is the best
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rngboats collab when
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Guys, help. I think Altera's route is giving me a giantess fetish.
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>>166647274
Soon fellow teitoku.
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>>166647141
Zero also spoiled a good part of the reveals in HF to the secondaries.
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>>166646901
I think one often overlooked thing is the Bad Ends.

They do a LOT to show Shirou doesn't actually have plot armour and that unless he follows a very particular path he'll fucking die horribly or become even more of a broken man. They genuinely, actually add to the tension and darkness of the story since you never really know what the right answer is when presented a choice. I guarentee that if Ufo had used the two filler episodes screentime throughout the season to animate some of Shirou's deaths in UBW as a gimmick a lot less people would have bitched about him.
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>>166647141
Yeah, even if you haven't been spoiled for HF specifically, everything is out in the open.

Literally Sakuras entire situation was spoiled by Zero, Saber Alters existence has been spoiled by half a dozen things, Zouken was spoiled by Zero too, Cursed Arm by Grand Order, shit they've even already seen a final fight between an Emiya and a Kotomine even if it was the inferior one

What's even left? Just Sakura being possessed which is made super fucking obvious by the trailers and Shinji being a literal rapist rather then just an attempted one? I suppose Shirou finally sorting his shit out and telling Kerrys ideal to go fuck itself will shock the secondaries but considering how cool and epic they thought his virtue signaling in UBW was that won't go down well.

The full impact of Heavens Feel and really Fate/Stay Night as a whole since it's a somewhat singular story is only felt if you actually go into the story blind which none of these people are doing since it's marketed as a spin-off/sequel to UBW which itself was marketed as a sequel to Zero.
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>>166647040
*teleports behind you*
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>>166647161
Sweaty girls are the best.
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>>166647040
>Gorgon
>Chuuni
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>>166647383
Some of the best parts of Tsukihime and Fate are only in the bad endings imo.
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>>166647314
Yes.
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>>166647328

>Isokaze with Excalibur
>Kongou-class with Rashoumon
>>
Anyone know a decent movie about monte cristo
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>>166647435
>Emiya and a Kotomine even if it was the inferior one

The only bad fight is the Fate route fight because power of love
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>>166647383
I was really hoping for some bad ending specials and dojo
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>>166647586
Pssst anon...read the book
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>>166647435
>Literally Sakuras entire situation was spoiled by Zero

The HF manga opens up with it
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>>166647692
Holy shit anon holy shit I thought you said jojo I was about to bash on you haha.
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>>166647435
Well, I guess they might wonder a bit why Cursed Arm is a bad guy here, but yeah, an adaptation would be pointless. Hell, they might not even cheer for Shirou since it's likely that they'll hate Sakura simply for not being as tough as Rin. And then they'll hate the fact that Rin's antagonistic towards her own sister.

Which leaves Nine Lives Blade Works and Kotomine fighting CA Hassan being the only things the secondaries will actually look forward to.
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S-Suki

Thread
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>>166647803
No one reads the HF manga though

And on top of that it's clearly written for people who have read the VN already
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>>166647819
*not cheer for Shirou defending Sakura

Something's wrong with me.
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>>166647819
Who is 'they'? HF is a wild ride even if they know about the Matou family. It's not like F/Z spoils the entire route, just little things that pique interest.
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>>166647827
Haven't seen you in a while how have you been?
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Shishou Thread
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>>166647928
I've never seen so much wrong in a post before
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I love the current My Room music because it reminds me of reading through brand new content.

There better be new content right after this re-run ends.
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>>166647859
Scenes were written by Nasu so they might be in the movie as it is using ideas from the UBW anime
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>>166647998
What's been added so far?
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>>166647161
God, Mashu is so fucking erotic.
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>>166647990
Yes.
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>>166647816
is that a motherfucking
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>>166647998
Honestly at this point I'd rather have them fuck spoiling things for the 5 people who didn't watch zero first
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>>166647819
>Hell, they might not even cheer for Shirou since it's likely that they'll hate Sakura simply for not being as tough as Rin. And then they'll hate the fact that Rin's antagonistic towards her own sister.
Right, I forgot about Rin. Her more pragmatic side was really downplayed in the adaption, presumably to make her a more generic tsundere to appeal to secondaries, so having her straight up attempt to murder her sister because she can't be assed saving her is really going to piss them off, this is after they added that bullshit filler in Zero where she risks her life as a child to save just a classmate too.
>>166647928
Zero spoils a hell of a lot more then 'little things'. You get some warning signs over Sakuras situation but the extent of it is a complete shock to a first time reader of the VN. HF going full Turkeyhandle after the chuuni nothing really goes wrong everyone lives happily ever after (except Ilya) Fate and UBW fucked up perception of the route for years and still does.
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Grail mud replaced with chocolate event when.
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Did you roll him yet?
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Rate up when?
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>>166648241
Next December.
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>>166647965
My computer died in December and got one on Tuesday

Now I'm back to Suki every day

I'm never getting another 5* in my life

/blog
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>>166648216
last year
this year
no dantes
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>>166648151
>Fate and UBW fucked up perception of the route for years and still does.

How so?
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>>166648216
How could I, when I haven't even tried?
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>>166646276
kek
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>>166648216
Nope. Probably won't be able to. Can't spend any money on him either, so it's a shame. It would be nice to have a five star that wasn't ST, but those are the cards I'm dealt with it seems.
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>>166648127
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>>166648295
Well welcome back. I'm glad I still have you on my friendlist.
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>>166648216
Saving up for Ereshkigal and/or Calamity Jane.
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>>166648216
Last year I rolled him. Sad that I don't use him at all now a days.
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>>166648338
Because a lot of people cannot get past the massive tonal shift and complete change in its core message compared to them so we've had them doing shit like claiming MoS is the best ending or that HF is shit for just killing off characters like Gilgamesh so quickly.
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>>166648475
I-I'm glad too
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>>166648071
>Sakura's manga series starts off with her naked and miserable, her position as master usurped
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Post Drake.
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>>166648418
That witch changed her face, execute her.
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>>166646845
from one of my japanese doujins

https://e-hentai.org/g/1021052/851143e2cb/
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>>166648216
Nope. Though I wasn't expecting anything with only 36 quartz and a few tickets.
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>>166648418
God the art for jojo is so gay. If I had a wish for the holy grail I'd wish it out of existence.
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Why was lolidusa in Fuyuki in the anime? What's going on there?
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>>166648338
>Fate
>chuuni love story
>everyone who isn't an outright villain lives but Shinji
>UBW
>chuuni ideals story
>everyone who isn't an outright villain lives but Ilya
>HF
>suddenly a decade of incestuous monster rape and torture in a game that, while having sexual themes and at least one attempted rape, hadn't crossed that line yet
>heroine of the route is an antagonist
>allies in previous routes go evil or act far colder then before
>ending of the novels themes in the route, which is the concluding route of the visual novel and intended end via locked routes, is about how the other two route ends weren't actually the right answer
>whole route is dark and grim, people dying all over

Why do you think there was a controversy when F/SN came out? In Tsukihime, the game is grim and has elements like rape and murder from the first route, it's not an issue because people expected it. In F/SN all that shit is saved for the end. Yes there are some pretty brutal bad ends but actual in route events, HF wins hands down and the readers weren't expecting it which both increased the reaction (intended by Nasu) but also caused kneejerk hate which continues to this day. You can barely talk about Sakura or HF sometimes without an influx of shitflinging even if it's totally civil, you don't get that with the other routes and heroines and it's a direct result of that unexpected tonal shift, the reaction to it, and the impression secondaries get of the route from that.
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>>166648598
>Sakura's manga series starts off with her breasts
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>>166648651
She gets almost no fan art so I don't have any on my phone but here have an Elmo umu.
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>>166648767
>ending of the novels themes in the route, which is the concluding route of the visual novel and intended end via locked routes, is about how the other two route ends weren't actually the right answer
Don't start this shit
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>>166648750
This looks like a loli to you?
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>>166648692
>being so insecure you can't handle art
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>>166648767
God I still remember the fucking shitstorm when news leaked of the bad end where Dark Sakura locks Rin in a nightmare where she lives out her life, starting with the first time she was dumped in the worm pit and raped.

People acted like it was the bloody apocalypse.
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>>166648827
>she
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>>166648750
>loli
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>>166646897

>started this game
>rerolling cause I wanted a starting gold
>she gets summoned
>silver so i'm gonna-
>can hear Chiwa when she introduces herself
>stick with that account

sometimes it's just that easy
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>>166648971
what
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>>166648940
It isn't that I'm insecure it's just that I hate jojo with a passion along with its fanbase.
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>>166648864
I fucking knew someone was going to meme me about this

Heavens Feel is the last route of the VN. It is impossible to read it before Fate and UBW. Therefore, it is the concluding route and the ending of HF is the last thing Nasu intends for you to read when you finish the VN. The theme of Shirous ideals and how he deals with them arcs over the story and the last word the reader gets about it, which is deliberately locked into being the last word by the author, is HFs ending.

No this doesn't mean shit for muh lore canon true ending multiverse, don't even fucking start.
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>>166648680
>virgin

What a shit doujin, I can't even self-insert.
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>>166648216
I haven't yet. I'll start using my quartz once I'm out of tickets from his event and the february tickets.
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>>166648782
http://raw.senmanga.com/Fate-Stay-Night-Heaven's-Feel/20/26

Shinji is aching for a raping
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I've been gone for the past week, have they announced anything new yet?
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>>166649127
>DW
>New content
We won't be getting anything new until June
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>>166648216
I got the Ed-boy a few hours ago.
I forgot just how much Avengers love their mats.
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>>166649043
Last Episode is the true ending
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>>166646702
You got this wrong. Assassins weren't banned, people just started figuring out and implementing countermeasures. Tactics and such. And these were all knockoffs of Fuyuki's system, at least most of them were, and so they only allowed for the Hassans to be summoned. Jack and Semi could be summoned in Darnic's war because he had modified the Grail he had stolen and not because any of the conventional Assassin Servants of Fuyuki's system, the Hashshashin, had been banned from participation.
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>>166649018
I didn't mean THAT Drake.
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You know how a strengthening quest is the perfect time to throw a bone at players and give them something in return for max ascending a servant, yeah I think I should have spent my pages on someone other than caster cu.
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>>166648965
That was my favorite bad ending.
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>>166648965
>People acted like it was the bloody apocalypse.

I am sure they did, anon.
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>tfw everytime you rolled for illya it never came true

I rolled 20 times for her
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>>166643524
Sloth, the comfiest of deadly sins
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>get railed by the double demons and Gilles
Guess I should stop using my silver bond team
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>>166648882
kinda want edgy medusa lancer alter now
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>>166643731
Fund it
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>>166649493
> implying there's anything that could surpass Bazett punching the shit out of mahou shoujos
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Rasputin Kotomine, Masamune Shirou, Parvati Sakura, and Aife Bazett fucking WHEN?
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>>166649576
Why does everything need to be a servant now?
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>>166649576
>Bazett gets possessed by the woman who fucked Cu and bore his son
>Has to deal with having the memories of it while still not being able to fuck him herself
Isn't it sad?
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>>166649576
>Aife
Fuck that, go for Theseus.
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>>166648965
DESU she was just showing Rin why she was so pissed in the first place after Rin went on about how she thought Sakura was just moaning for the sake of it and it really wasn't that bad and just get over it lmao
>the part where Sakura says Rin was already irreparably broken and the first day hadn't even finished
Brutal
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>>166649576
>Rasputin Kotomine
>Masamune Shirou
>Aife Bazett
I don't want any of these. Please never appear in this game.
>Parvati Sakura
I would want this, but then I remind myself that she'd be designed and illustrated by Takao Aotsuki,
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>>166649691
>Theseus
Ferdiad is better. Her defenceless anus will finally be pierced by Cu's spear.
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>>166649576
After this little girl (giantess).
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>>166649576
Only one of those people is actually coming and at this rate she won't be here until fucking 2018 at the earliest
>>166649757
His Taiga is good though
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>>166649679
Because the demi-servants are fun.
>>166649691
Why him in particular?
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>>166649720
>Aahh, I thought onee-san would be tougher than me, but she's already crying on the first day
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>>166649691
>Theseus
Perhaps better known around these parts as "Does Not Appear in This Game".
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> haven't rolled a gold in months
> only golds i have are banana and fucking illya
> i don't like loli, i'm a cakefag
> only decent assassin i got is Chink Kek
> do the Dantes event
> roll the ticked
> i don't really even really want Dantes
> get Carmilla
why am i so fucking happy
still no 100faces

/blogshit
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>>166649449
I only used Merlin and put my Quetz in the back to deal with gilles, the rest of my team were silvers.

The problem with silver servants is their max HP is lower, so they die more easily
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>>166649821
Theseus wrestled the minotaur to death.
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>>166649773
Why is Leo a giant wearing a skirt?
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>>166649773
Oh so thats the Gudako servant.
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>>166649919
And so why would that make him fitting to be demi-Bazett when she doesn't give a shit about some random Greek?
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>>166646310
Aoife, scats SISTER you fucking mongoloid. He beat the shit out her in a swordfight, with his sword and then made her swear to bear his son. And then they fucked.
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>>166649898
Carmilla is best Liz, delicious curves, exotic looks and sadism

Somewhat overrated gamplaywise though, even if she's still good enough
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>>166649831
Seriously, I wonder why they singled him out like that. I know there's a theory he'll appear in Strange Fake, but I find those unconvincing.
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>>166649773
> Gudako gets a giant loli that eats other loli
who is she?
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>>166649116
Nothing wrong with taking your anger out on a woman
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>>166649919
That hardly seems more fitting than Aife
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>>166649047
You can self-insert as Scat
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>>166649975
> Beat the shit out of her

He literally had to trick her to win, she was kicking his ass

And he fucked Sca's daughter as well, and Sca, he fucked the whole Sca family
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>>166649975
Was she also the one that got her fingers broken by him?
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>>166650031
>ultimate creation of Gaia
>get raped by a skinny jap manlet with eye problems
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>>166649296
My favourite is when Shinji invites Shirou to his house and lies to his face to convince him to trust him.
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>>166650063
I am not a beautiful woman either.
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>>166650069
>Sca
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>>166650092
Nah that's Sca's daughter.

Basically he found Sca's daughter hot so he went to do her and broke her fingers, then in the husband of said daughter who Cu promptly btfo in order to be allowed to keep fucking the daughter, Sca approved cause 'Lel who cares about love, fuck the stronger guy my gal.'
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>>166650126
exactly, so, self insert as scat
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>>166649576
How about Muramasa/Masamune Shirou?

They're like the little angel and devil on his shoulders telling him what to do except they're both swords.
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Who /believe/ here?
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When will we see more of this Beast?
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Fuck all of you, the next demi we need is Luvia
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>>166650185
Pls no, I have no quartz
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>>166640571
Illya dies.
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>>166649576
Fuck this demishit, fuck it.
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>>166650109
Arc didn't fight back because she knew it was because of her eye. She still finds a way to forgive Shiki even after he slits her throat.
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>>166650161
> be scathack
> murderhobo fucks daughter
> breaks her fingers
> btfo her husbando
> "lel just keep on fucking her"
> "oh and also let's train"
> "you're strong wanna fug?"
10/10 parenting.
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>>166650306
>She still finds a way to forgive Shiki
She kills you if you rape her, just not immediately
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>>166650297
It is a huge mistake, it only let Nasu uses his OC donut steels with paper thin justification.
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>>166650185

Pickup when
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>>166648882
Well no. When did Lolidusa age into an edgy onee-san? Why is a medusa lancer in fuyuki? Are they gonna fuck up the other orders like this?
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>>166650273
Rin is the only woman Shirou needs in his life.
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>>166650313
Yeah basically. Ferdiad was also around and didn't get to fuck Anyone which must've been tough on the man when Cu's fucking Everyone.
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>>166648767
>ending of the novels themes in the route, which is the concluding route of the visual novel and intended end via locked routes, is about how the other two route ends weren't actually the right answer

>Last word is author's word

Aight so Last Episode is the true ending, then? None of the routes were correct, yet none of them were incorrect.

It's not wrong to be idealistic.
It's not wrong to recognize that your ideals are flawed but still continue pursuing them.
It's not wrong to throw your ideals for something real.
Heck, even HF's true end has you face the problem of Illya and hundreds of people Sakura killed.

Even FGO's theme has Roman's ideals facing against reality since it's what Nasu thinks was what most players missed in Stay night. Same goes for extra.
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>>166650005
Abigail
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>>166650126
Just use your imagination, and conceptualize yourself as a beautiful woman
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>>166650435
That is obviously because Ferdiad was actually a girl in reality. -Nasu
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>>166648767

>goddamn fucking wormslut shitposters start shitting up /a/ and this thread simultaneously

Wormfags. Not even once.
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>>166650343
>ciel's face when shiki cucks her
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>>166650161
>thinks a girl is hot
>breaks her fingers

Is this some weird Irish thing?
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>>166650523
>Cu use Gae Bolg dildo to kill her
Lewd
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>>166650435
>>166650523
His skin looked like tree bark and was covered in spikes.

He didn't fuck anybody because it'd kill them.
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>>166650523
Rin demi-servant confirmed.
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>>166650458

I have an erection. She needs a randoseru desu for maximum sexiness.
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>>166650453
>Last Episode
>Seibah fanservice together forever end after her fans bitched for months about not getting one
>An intended ending to the VN at all
kek

There is no "true ending" because it's a multiverse but for the question of Shirous ideals, the common thread that develops over multiple routes, that definitely has a conclusion.

Where did all these LEfags come from anyway, is it just people who played the VN and didn't even realise LE was tacked on fanservice or what
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>>166650589
> Spiky dick

I'm sure some people would be interested.
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>>166650616
Fate / Marinate Jack
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>>166650185
I believe, but only because Hopeman is the ultimate bait gacha.
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>>166650558
Still mad. Fuck you Nasu, it's Ciels route get Arc gone.
Also give Ciel back her correct glasses you fucker
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>>166650707
Most people genuinely don't realise it was a later addition made because of Saberfag backlash in Japan, yes.
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Will Calamity Jane have a good design?
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>>166648559
>sweeps characters under the rug to introduce new ones
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>>166650818
No. It'll be worse than Typhoid Mary, but better than Nightingale but still south of "good"
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>>166650798
>>166650707

>Takeuchi asking Nasu to add something so that Fate isn't the only route to have an entirely negative ending is now fan backlash

Really activates your almonds.
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>>166650818
My dad works for Type Moon and he says Jane's going to have a Seiba face.
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>>166650798
It was made because Takeuchi told Nasu to add something new to Fate Route of the RN version and he went "well,okay why not"
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>>166650818
We've known what it is for like a fucking year, anon.

It's shit.
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>>166650394
Anon...
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>>166649795
>His Taiga is good though
I'd call that a fluke. No one expected a sexy yakuza outfit.
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>>166650818
Cheap design but good art
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>>166650707
>taking it seriously
It was just meant to highlight how you think the last word = most correct. It's a pretty stupid assumption.

>Definitely has a conclusion
Yeah, three of them. As I said none of them were incorrect yet none of them were correct.
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>>166651032
disgusting
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>>166650978
>>166650913
t. people not around in 2006

The "Takeuchi asked for it" thing is an unsubstantiated rumour with no basis in reality. I dare y'all to find a source for it.
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>>166650743
I honestly don't know what bait gacha means anymore.
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Who is the strongest single unit in the game and why is it Bahsahka?
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>>166649683
I'd rather Bazett becomes Emer.
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>>166651032
>Taigafags have been trying to push this since Babylon
>never stuck
And all is well.
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>>166651083
Easier to say "Nasu/Takeuchi said" than to post a quote
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>>166651032
His Nezha as well is somewhat passable, might be good depending on her ascensions.

With any luck Taigas not a fluke, the guys known as a huge Saberfag so I'm not expecting him to phone it in.
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>>166651083

>t. people not around in 2006

>The "Takeuchi asked for it" thing is an unsubstantiated rumour with no basis in reality. I dare y'all to find a source for it.

Sorry, what was the source for Last Episode being added due to fan demand, again? I must have missed the interview or the materials section that mentioned it.
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>>166651103
Because he's the strongest in the world, duh
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>>166651083
Where's your source for it being fan backlash? Unless you have an actual interview saying that Nasu added the Last Episode purely in response to fan backlash, your claim is exactly as baseless as anyone else's. Hell, we already know that Nasu listens to Takeuchi more than his fans, so it's far more likely that it was because of Takeuchi bitching that his waifu didn't get a happy ending.
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>>166651114
Emer is a literal shitter, Cu fucked far better and stronger women.
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>>166650710
I want to fill her up with my baby batter so badly.
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>>166651176
>Saber
Fuck I meant Sakura, it's 4 am
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>>166651248
Heart of Emer with Bazett's skills.
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>touching the bear

pls stop.
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>>166651194
>I have no source on my baseless claim
Thanks for playing, hon. Maybe next time you'll get lucky and not be called out on your lies.
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>>166650982
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>>166649576
>Aife Bazett
Please fucking no. I want normal Aife, not fucking Bazett demi-servant.
>>
Does anybody have the /fgog/ tier list pic?
The memey one.
>>
Between the American servants, the one who's design i liked the most was, unironically, Geronimo, with Billy as a close second. Shame he turned out pretty bad in gameplay.
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>>166651315
>make the ultimate waifu bait
>she carries around her husband anglerfish style

What the fuck were they thinking? Why hasn't some otaku firebombed Nasu's house yet?
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>>166651103
Yes, Cu is best.
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>>166651247
>>166651194
>asking for a dev quote that they caved in to their fans and fanserviced their epilogue up
That isn't how it works. The point that no one can find this supposed quote from an interview that it was Takeuchis doing is far more suspect then saying it was fan backlash when it's a clear fact that Saber, the most popular heroine, launched with one ending that wasn't a blatant happily ever after then had it patched in later.

I mean all you have to do is post that interview quote, it should be very easy for you to prove it.
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>>166651397
Faggot, Arjuna's design is the best.
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>>166651339

>still no source

You probably shouldn't have pulled the 'source' card if you didn't have one to begin with.
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>rolled 50 tickets
>nothing
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>>166651397
Same, desu. I just wish they just made him an Archer (with a rifle) instead of going "i'm indian so i must be shaman xdDD"
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>>166651134
Push what; Aotsuki's art, sexy yakuza outfit, or Taiga in general?
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>>166651460
>Arjuna
>American
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>>166651397
Geronimo is God tier, and easily on of the top 10 Servants aesthetics wise.
Billy the Kid though? He's just an ugly Gil with a gun. They should've given us a GAR Jesse James.
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>>166650589
that's the guy Cu killed by stickking it into his butt right?
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>>166651465
>implying I'm the guy who made the claim about the fan backlash
Sorry m8 I just hate that retarded fucking "TAKEUCHI MADE NASU DO IT" meme and call it out wherever I see it.

So either post a source or go fuck yourself.
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>>166651431
here
>Nasu: At the time we decided to make Realta, Takeuchi proposed we add something as a bonus for the Playstation version. I said "there's nothing else to add, give me a break", and he goes "let's make a True End for Saber's route!", and we fought for a whole day (laugh). Personally, my thoughts were "what are you saying?! Are you trying to desecrate Saber's ending?!" But it was true that the players wanted it, and Takeuchi wouldn't back down, so I decided to think up a way to reward the hero of justice in the end without derailing the original story. Last Episode's original title was "Robot Man". Just something with the title "Robot Man" appearing on the screen in a simple font. If Shirou was a character in the Wizard of Oz, he'd be the Tin Woodman. Fate/stay night ended with that tin woodman becoming human [in HF], but if the man who threw away his human happiness and followed his ideals like a robot following a program became human after death thanks to someone who loved that way of living... in that case, that could work in the context of Fate/stay night, I thought.
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>>166651565
>Indian
>not an American
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>>166651072
When you are talking about a linear story with question arcs that wrap up at the end then the assumption that last word is most correct is actually pretty strong. The reason LE gets excluded from this is because it clearly wasn't intended to be the ending, if it was it would be in the original release. No way something that short, if intended to be the ending, would be cut for time.
>Yeah, three of them. As I said none of them were incorrect yet none of them were correct.
Considering the ideals related point being made in the last route is "this is what happens if his ideals meet reality", and has Shirou actually finally realise what Kerrys smile, the core of his ideal, meant, then yes it's patently being portrayed as the right choice.
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>>166651397
>best design that's actually faithful to the source character
>shittiest when it comes to actual usage
I feel like it was on purpose.
>>
who DESPAIR here
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>>166651565
America is a nation of immigrants.
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>>166651565
I think he mean of the ones that participate in murica singularity
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>>166651659
Columbus please leave
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>>166651645
>But it was true that the players wanted it
hmmm really firing my neurons
>Fate/stay night ended with that tin woodman becoming human [in HF]
Holy kek I can see why you guys never want to post this quote, saying something like that is almost sacrilege here and you've got Nasu doing it
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>>166651645
>But it was true that the players wanted it, and Takeuchi wouldn't back down,
So both sides were right and everyone is a retard?

I love happy endings.
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Whats worse
>Your favourite myth hero get genderbent and Sakurai was the one left in charge
or
>Your favourite myth hero stay the same and Sakurai was the one left in charge
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>>166651797

Nope, Nasu didn't give a shit about what the fans wanted and only Takeuchi persuaded him.
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>Fate/Extella
Should I go for collector edition (Europe) or normal one?
Which did you buy?
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>>166651809
My favourite myth her is Herakles so I'm already trapped in a far worse Hell
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>>166651790
You should read all of it,you know
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>>166651809
What if my favorite myth hero was Hitler
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>>166651809
he's going to suck anyways so at least give me tits to look at
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>>166651790

>Holy kek I can see why you guys never want to post this quote, saying something like that is almost sacrilege here and you've got Nasu doing it
>wormfags still can't read

No big surprises there
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>>166651678
>the right choice is to damn millions if not billions of people to painful death because you want to fuck someone but that's okay because the world will bend over backwards to make sure everything turns out okay and you get lots of sex every night
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>>166651903
Word, nigga.
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>>166651645
So it's both, then? And it's the demand, not a backlash.

>>166651678
See >>166651645
>but if the man who threw away his human happiness and followed his ideals like a robot following a program became human after death thanks to someone who loved that way of living... in that case, that could work in the context of Fate/stay night, I thought.

The point I was trying to make. It goes all ways, though.
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>>166651809
I'm not sure who's my favourite hero, but if we're going the Sakurai route they might as well be a cute girl.
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>>166651874
>Europe
normal
>>166651903
>inb4 genderbent into a flat chest loli
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>>166651678

>has Shirou actually finally realise what Kerrys smile, the core of his ideal, meant, then yes it's patently being portrayed as the right choice.

But he smiles in LE and UBW too?
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>>166651809
My favorite's Yi Sun Shin so I don't think Sakurai would ever touch him even if she tried.
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>>166651940
>damn millions if not billions
Why are Sakura haters so unfamiliar with her route?

Is the meme about them all being secondaries actually true?
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>>166651460
I meant American as in the American Servants, not America the chapter servants

>>166651515
I was actually okay with him being a shaman, it's a cool concept. Geronimo could be our first decent *3 Caster, he could be a decent support caster that still could dish out damage on his own, but nope.

>>166651581
Billy was okay, that outfit was simple but good. The problem was his blonde hair made him look a bit too generic. I kind of wish he was a brunette instead of blonde, even black hair is fine. Though i think they deliberately went for the "Blue-eyed blonde gaijin" stereotype for him

>>166651690
If only DW would fix his skills. If only.
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>>166651809
I think Sakurai hatred is overrated

Speaking of Sakurai, even if he would end up as a Dantes 2.0 in almost every aspect, I have the wild dream of getting Sakurai's Nyancat in the game.

As for my favorite myth hero, is Popocatepetl. His whole story is basically a tragic prehispanic Romeo and Juliet dynamic so if they genderbend him I would be pissed off. Unless they accept there was lesbo action.
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>>166652017
he can't turn fucking zeus into a loli
right?
at most its another saberface
right?
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>>166651809
I would give my left nut for Sakurai to write Heracles. At the very least he would be where he deserves to in that case with shit like Marmyadose EX, etc.
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LA GURON
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almost at 300 lads.
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>>166651945
>Fate/stay night ended with that tin woodman becoming human [in HF], but if the man who threw away his human happiness and followed his ideals like a robot following a program became human after death thanks to someone who loved that way of living... in that case, that could work in the context of Fate/stay night, I thought.
>Nasu outright admitting that Last Episode was not an intended end to the VN, that HF is the route where he stops being a robot and becomes a human, and that Fate Shirou remained a robot until he died and him becoming a human later was written after the story was released with fan backlash is somehow not all evidence that HF was the answer to the ideal related question
Not really, no
>>166651940
>if I just make stuff up that's somehow an argument
>>166652021
Archer is the one who smiles in UBW, not Shirou.
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>>166651809
Wouldn't that be a good thing because Sakurai wanks the ever living fuck out of anything he touches
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>>166652139
Not all people who hate Sakura are secondaries but all secondaries hate or don't give a fuck about Sakura.
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>>166652142
Medea is decent, but you're dead right about the problem with Billy. There's nothing worse than generic characters in a game built around collecting them.
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Would Kiritsugu want Shirou to become an ally of justice or avoid that lifestyle?
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>>166652224

*pulls a single string on the harp*
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>>166652371
Yes in general and no if he becomes a bitter CG fuck in the end.
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>>166652371
He'd raise him as an edgy LN author.
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>>166652371
He would want him to avoid it. When he saw that Shirou was growing up idolising him in the wrong why he was going to try and stop it but then he died.

Even after Zero Kerrys just a failure.
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>>166652321
No,you can see a big gap between Fionn and Medb
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>>166652139
If Angra Mainyu is born, the world is fucked.
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>>166652443
In Fate/Zero he tells Shirou to stop trace-on because he doesn't want him to become a magus
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>>166652224

>Archer is the one who smiles in UBW, not Shirou.

Anon I hate to spoil you on this as you clearly haven't read the VN, but Shirou is the Redman

That's right, Shirou who followed his path mindlessly and experienced the worst possible future of all Shirous as a Counter Guardian who could only kill, never save anything, still reaches the same answer as Kerry and the best part is it's something he had forgotten from life, meaning there's absolutely nothing special about Shirou in HF compared to Shirou in any other route because they all figure out what the smile meant during their lifetimes

HF is the last route because it's the most extreme route, but Nasu has always held all three as equally important in their themes

The most extreme change Shirou goes through in HF compared to other routes is that his body dies and he gets Heaven's Feel'd into a plant and then transferred to a shitty doll body.
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>>166652457
Why are Japs so intimidated by "tall" women? Byrn is short as fuck.
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>>166652498
Okay but Shirou wasn't dooming anybody besides those he knew that would die while trying to save her. He never accepted that choosing to rescue her would lead to AM being incarnated the way he accepted that saving her would mean more people would be killed by the Shadow.
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>>166652457
When will Sigurd or Kriemhild come out so Sumanai can finally be safe?
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Reminder that now not only is Scathach hinted to have a higher Saint Graph based on a goddess, she also doesn't really think that Cu can kill her, her new interlude is bitching about how Goetia being killed means she's not dead anymore, and instead of Cu surpassing her as in the legend, it took all her pupils attacking her at once and they still failed.

>>166652590
How the fuck does that make any sense? If he takes actions that allow AM to be born, especially if he has no concrete plan as to how he's going to save Sakura and stop it, he's clearly placing the safety and security of one person over that of six billion. He's culpable in their deaths if AM was born because he had a chance to stop it, and knowingly chose otherwise.
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>>166652569
>tfw my waifu is short enough that I could pick her up and powerfuck her while standing with ease

Excellent
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>>166652464
>>166652509
>Fate 0.5
Kiritsugu's life with Shiro after the 4th war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTHprcyntXM
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these two are for you, mataharifag

1/2
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Fate spin-off done by Ichiei Ishibumi when?
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I want these three cuties to sneak into my room at night!
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>>166652723
Jack isn't your wife, she's a pile of aborted fetuses.
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Scales when?
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So, any news for a new Valentine event or we will just get the old Valentine event with the same gachas?
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>>166652684
>How the fuck does that make any sense?
Shirou accepts the fact that saving Sakura means the Shadow will likely kill dozens more people. He is dooming those people, and they die accordingly.

Shirou does nit believe AM will be incarnated by him saving Sakura. He is, at worst, risking the lives of millions of people.

There's an important distinction between the two.
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>>166652565
>Anon I hate to spoil you on this as you clearly haven't read the VN, but Shirou is the Redman
wow fuck I didn't realise

Archer is Emiya Shirou but the two are separate characters in the VN and have separate character arcs, don't bullshit that Archers arc is another part of F/SN Shirous arc. Archer is dealing with the consequences of becoming the embodiment of his ideals and eventually comes to terms with it. That's his character arc that is entirely encapsulated within UBW alone. Shirous covers all three routes in a progression is rather then being with how to deal with your life choices it's about how his ideals interact with the world he lives in. The route where those ideals interact with reality, and where Shirou abandons them and stops being, in Nasus words, a robot and becomes a human (which is pretty fucking significant), is HF.
>meaning there's absolutely nothing special about Shirou in HF compared to Shirou in any other route because they all figure out what the smile meant during their lifetimes
Wrong, a quote was literally just posted where Nasu himself says that's bullshit
>but Nasu has always held all three as equally important in their themes
Yes, each route is equally important, but F/SN has a bunch of concurrent themes and arcs. I'm talking about Shirous ideals specifically which has a definite conclusion.
>The most extreme change Shirou goes through in HF compared to other routes is that his body dies and he gets Heaven's Feel'd into a plant and then transferred to a shitty doll body.
To quote Nasu again, it's that he becomes a human. Ironic that he's a doll now, but that's how Nasu works.
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>>166652361
I actually forgot about Medea, but yeah, she's fine.
i never actually use her though, i like Andersen more

Billy's rather fatal downside was his rather generic design. Though with all other servants' design, he manages to be rather unique by being really generic. Kinda funny, to be honest.
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>>166652835
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>>166651809
>tfw favourite myth hero was Fionn
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saber benis

https://twitter.com/now_zone/status/817651894919147520
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>>166652862
I was talking about Drake my man.
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I'm not furryfag but damn, I really want to fuck dat fou
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>>166652807
what the fuck
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>>166651809
>Favourite is probably Zhou Tai
I don't know. Probably not genderbent, so Sakurai can't make them the lover of Sun Quan
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>>166652684
Angry Manjew wasn't a world ending threat, it was a Japan ending threat. On top of that, you are acting like when Shirou decided to save Sakura he was just accepting that he would let Manjew be born into the world and kill everyone, that's absolute bullshit. Shirou accepted that saving Sakura meant the deaths of strangers through the shadow but he always absolutely intended to both save Sakura and stop Manjew, since you couldn't save Sakura without stopping Manjew anyway.
Stop misrepresenting the actual moral struggles of the route.
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>Scathach can now become a titan

I think it's gotten to a point where we can agree that Koyama should get gassed, right?
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>>166652897
>He is, at worst, risking the lives of millions of people.
Two things about this. First of all, those lives aren't his to risk. He's risking all those people, all of them with loved ones and hopes and dreams and lives, all to save someone that he cares about. There is absolutely no way to slice it other than selfishness, selfishness enough that he'd risk the lives of every human being on Earth for HIS loved one. And secondly, it's not millions. AM would kill nearly everyone, which is billions upon billions of people.
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>>166652896
Rerun with new CE additions for the males characters and the females that were not here for the event last year
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>>166652175
Is that Sharnoth? How does it compare to Inganock?
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>>166652684
>and instead of Cu surpassing her as in the legend, it took all her pupils attacking her at once and they still failed.
More wank
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>>166653064
I'm a Scatfag and yes he needs to be gassed
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>>166653064
No, Scat legit deserves the wank considering up to now she's been portrayed as far weaker than she was meant to be. His only fuck up has been retconning her to have always been stronger than Cu.

If the Skadi ahit comes true however THEN we should break out the gas.
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>>166653097
So nothing new in both January and February
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>>166652991
I was actually expecting futanari. Now I'm sad.
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>>166653036
>Angry Manjew wasn't a world ending threat,
Kill yourself
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>>166653087
Anon you're arguing against a point I never made after I explained my actual one to you twice you fucking autist.
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>>166653087
>>166652684
>billions
Where the fuck are you getting these numbers? We already know that in the event Shirou failed Manjew would get punked before he could leave Japan. And Shirou wasn't intending to fail regardless. If you stop memeing you can make a valid point with
>he sacrificed hundreds for the sake of one loved one
Which is an actual moral argument instead of this hyperbole crap.

And incidentally Shirou was right, the happiness of you and your loved ones is worth more then the lives of others.
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Yo, Taigafags, I have a question for you.
Can you please explain why you like Taiga? Because I really don't get it.
There's only 2 or 3 of you so you know how unpopular she is, and the joke about her having "the best fanart" is getting old.
I just need to know why you like such a nothing gag character that has no value in all the spin-offs she shows up in, and never did that much in the VN in the first place.
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>>166652810
I'll take it.
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>>166653286
She's desperate for the dick.
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>>166653286
Because she has a cute design and an endearing personality?

A character doesn't need massive amounts of substance or a pathos rich storyline to be likeable. The Tiger Dojos are fucking great and so is she, that's really all there is to it.

t. Not even a Taigafag
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>>166651315
>Yandere Artemis
That smile only makes it even more scary
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>>166653160
>No, Scat legit deserves the wank considering up to now she's been portrayed as far weaker than she was meant to be.
Shut the fuck up. She's a footnote in Cu's legend, one that he surpassed. If she's ever portrayed stronger than Cu, it's wrong. And before saying anything about the explanation for it, that's wrong too. She's Scathach in name only, literally everything about her is either conjured up from thin air with no basis in any legend, or it's something that should have gone to Fionn.
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>>166652807
did you like it, mataharifag?
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>>166653286
>No value in the VN
She was the "heart" that made Shirou's house a home and someone he cared for so much he was willing to brutally murder Rin for, if it would mean her safety. I just want to see the two of them together. That's all.


I guess that makes me the strange one.
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>>166653150
The wank before was a little bit doable, but this titan form which needed her students to beat bullshit is too much.

>>166653160
>Primal Runes powered by Odin
>Immortal or can't be killed, whatever
>Said to be stronger than Cú
>Now a fucking titan form

Yeah, no. The wank has gotten ridiculous already. Last thing you know Gae Bolg can beat Ayylmaos.
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>>166653106
Yes it's Sharnoth. To be honest I have not read Inganock, so I can't give my opinion on that regard.

I read Sharnoth a few years ago and I think it is decent. I got a bit frustrated at how much Sakurai repeats the same lines when retakes a scene, but idk if this is exclusive of Sharnoth or it is a constant in the Steampunk series, since I haven't checked the Tesla VN neither. I already bought it but I still have a lot of shit to read before that.
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>>166653286
She's cute, she's funny and entertaining, the Taiga Dojos are good, and she's the first hint Shirou isn't a total unfeeling robot pretending to be human. Do I really need some other reason?
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>>166653543
Scat will get Gungnir and kill Ayyliens with it.
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>>166653503
Her footnote is literally about her being one of the greatest warriors (and trainer of warriors) alive, with only Cu and her sister surpassing her.

She's had more than a thousand years to train since then. She has more experience than literally every other fucking HS we've met and is an immortal magician from the Age of the Gods. Her wank is completely fucking justified so far.
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>>166653286
The Tiger Dojos are the best part of F/SN
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>>166653525
I don't remember those scenes from Mata Haris biographies
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>>166653064
>>166653543
>Scat can become a titan
I understand why you hate it, but the sizefag in me wants to know how big
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>>166653543
>Last thing you know Gae Bolg can beat Ayylmaos.
But only her one cu one is actually a shitty fake one
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>>166653543
>Primal Runes powered by Odin
She's totally gonna turn out to be a facet of Skadi, isn't she?
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>>166652807
>>166653525
Was she a russian spy lads?
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Think Takeuchi is going to retaliate and wank Arturia even further than Koyama's Aokoface potatowhore?
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>>166653737
Scat has the fake one, not Cu. She outright says hers are fakes.
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>>166653556
Oh, well Inganock is pretty good, would recommend. The Lemure Lemure bits were pretty cool.
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>>166653773
Even her mats hint at that
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>>166653810
Doesn't she say that any spear made from sea monster bones is a Gay Bulge?
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>>166653835
I love scat backstory and shit but its really too fucking much I bet its not even gunna stop at Skadi
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>>166653795
>Mata Hari hacked the first world war
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>>166651419
There's a reason why no one knows what he looks like and stuff
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>>166653810
Just wait for that to get retconne-- >>166653880

Nevermind, it seems it already did.
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>>166653810
>missing the joke

>>166653806
Wait for arcturia
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>>166653678
>>She's had more than a thousand years to train since then. She has more experience than literally every other fucking HS we've met and is an immortal magician from the Age of the Gods. Her wank is completely fucking justified so far.
You are completely missing the fucking point here. Of course her wank is justified from that perspective, but you know what isn't justified? The fact that she lived that long in the first place. She was a warrior, not a goddess. She never slew a god, she never became immortal, she never trained in Dun Scaith for more than a thousand years. All of that is a complete fabrication used to justify Sakurai wanking the fuck out of her.

And on top of it all, it's even worse because now she's just the strongest full stop. Not only did Cu never surpass her, but she could defeat Cu and all her other pupils at once, and she's also possibly got another form related to Skadi that makes her even more powerful. She's one of the worst examples of undeserved wank in the series, especially since Cu beating her fair and square but not being able to beat Aife was a fucking plot point.
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>>166653678
This desu.

Of all the powerwanked shit in Fate, an incredible warrior-mage from the AoG who becomes massively stronger over the course of nearly two thousand years is really the most innoffensive one yet.

People are just mad because she's a shit character.
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>>166653880
They are gay bulges but there is a Gae Bolg that Cu has and she doesn't.
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What will be the next welfare servant?
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>>166653280
>we already know that in the event Shirou failed Manjew would get punked before he could leave Japan
Not him, but how do you know that ? Legit question. I was under the impression that nobody could stand a chance against Angra Mainyu if he ever got out.
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>>166653701
Really, was there even a point to making up that kind of scenes when her life's already pretty much "who let urobuchi in charge of writing reality"
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>>166653543
>>Primal Runes powered by Odin
Where is it said that they're powered by Odin? And besides, wouldn't that be true for everyone who uses runes?
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>Odin is Grand Lancer
>Skadi Scat is wanked stronger then Odin
Waifufags were a mistake
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>>166652810
>wanting dxdfags trying to justify their series isn't a generic harem
No thanks
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>>166653998
CasLiz for an early Halloween rerun
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>>166653880
In short, fuck no.

She made inferior knockoffs that are the Alternatives but only one Gae Bolg
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Wait what did I miss,where did they say Scat can be a Titan?
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>>166653989
its more like she's half divine why does she go full and become a goddess too
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>>166653989
Read >>166653986

The problem isn't that her wank is justified by her legend, importance, or fame which is almost always the case. It's justified by a backstory that was invented specifically to justify the wank, one that has absolutely nothing to do with Scathach.
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>>166654096
Till it gets retcon like cu beating her ever
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>>166653286
Because despite her selfish and silly outside she is a very thoughtful and caring person to those she loves.
She's also just generally a a cute a likable person.
But then again, she has been my waifu for almost 5 years now, so I might be a bit biased.
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>>166651809

>Genderbent Mithridates
>Genderbent Pompey

Can they have hate sex every night but still be critically in love with (You)?
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>>166654052
>Implying Fate itself isn't a generic harem series too
>Especially when Guda/ko got the biggest harem there is
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>>166653556
>I got a bit frustrated at how much Sakurai repeats the same lines when retakes a scene
I hear a lot of people were bugged by that. Allegedly less so if they read the original Japanese, but the English translation can be grating. Sakurai's style is noted as very difficult to translate.
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>>166653701
Japs for some reason think every female servant who died a violent death was raped at some point despite us knowing for a fact most of them weren't.

>>166653986
Dude. Scathach being immortal is part of the myth.

It was a much, much later addition to it - but so were a lot of the 'canon' elements of a lot of Servant's myths.
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>>166654212
I didn't know your harem cucks you
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>>166652898

>don't bullshit that Archers arc is another part of F/SN Shirous arc.

That is, actually, exactly what it is.

>The route where those ideals interact with reality, and where Shirou abandons them and stops being, in Nasus words, a robot and becomes a human (which is pretty fucking significant), is HF.

Those ideals are interacting with reality through every single route in the VN. That's kind of their point. And Shirou doesn't abandon his ideals in HF. Your premise is fundamentally flawed. All that happens is that he gets a cushy home life with Sakura, but he still does hero shit and Sakura, like Rin, enables him.

>Wrong, a quote was literally just posted where Nasu himself says that's bullshit

No? He really doesn't.

>Yes, each route is equally important, but F/SN has a bunch of concurrent themes and arcs. I'm talking about Shirous ideals specifically which has a definite conclusion.

A conclusion that is reached in every single route. The only difference in HF is that Shirou reaches that conclusion sooner and put it into practice earlier.

>To quote Nasu again, it's that he becomes a human. Ironic that he's a doll now, but that's how Nasu works.

Shirou does that in every route. That's what his smile symbolizes, and LE Shirou and Archer smile (after remembering the answer from life, which means UBW who follows his footsteps is in the same boat).
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>>166653998
US Passport Saber.
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>>166654043
Because that's what Bryn also has, and Bryn's Primal Runes although weak are said to be powered by Odin.
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>>166654180
Excellent taste.
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>>166653986
Scat being immortal is a legit addition to the myths from the 18th/19th century when Irish authors started writing down compilations of folktales for preservation/reclamation and some tried to 'de-Christianise' them by playing up the pagan elements.

I think it's even mentioned in one of Yeat's Cu Chulainn works.
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>>166654180
>Anne & Mary except they're mutually tsun in a bitchy way instead of just genki and easygoing
Sold.
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Here I thought Arturiawank and Nerowank were bad, but somehow Scatwank managed to surpass both.
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>>166654327
So wait. Saber is listed as 15 in her passport?
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>>166654327
>Saber was born in New Orleans
Mardi Gras Saber when
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>>166654340
Her runes are not said to be powered by Odin. She got them from Odin, but nowhere is it said that he powers them.
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>>166654327
>quick based Arturia since her suit Mystic Code is quick based
>even though Okita's basically the quick based Arturia
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>>166654231
>>166654415

It was never part of the myth. I'm a potato who was always interested in the legends, and in absolutely no retelling of the Cycle was Scathach ever A) an important character once Cu beat her or B) some kind of immortal warrior goddess. You're saying that something added literally thousands of years after the stories first came is just as valid as before. It's literal fanfiction. It's like basing Achilles on the Song of Achilles, or fucking Percy Jackson.
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>>166654487
That's the age she got Avalon and stopped aging at, so yeah.
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Hey guys it's open again!

Come join! https://discordapp.com/invite/7wBdgEA
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>>166653986
Jesus Christ, calm down. It's just some weeb shit.
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>>166654460
Scat still doesn't have a whole Order about how great she is yet. Or a weapon that's the only thing that can repel an alien invasion.
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>>166654549
You might as well fucking bitch about Lancelot existing then, considering he was added likely centuries after the king arthur mythos began.
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Doesn't matter if Scat gets wanked, titan form is retarded as fuck and Nasu needs to hop off those drugs

Anything after F/SN is confirmed for as shit as SnK
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>>166654550
No it's when she pulled the sword out of the stone which stopped her ageing then merlin lost it and she got Excalibur and Avalon
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>>166654578
nice bait FBI
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Don't mind me. Just figuring out what to focus my Fou cards on.
1 Saber
2 Archer
3 Lancer
4 Rider
5 Caster
6 Assassin
7 Berserker
8 Dantes if I can roll his ass
9/0 burn them for mana prisms.
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>>166654549
What's the problem with Percy Jackson bitch?
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>>166653986
>she's also possibly got another form related to Skadi that makes her even more powerful.
Can you wait to get butthurt about this one until there's actually something to be upset about? For your own good, try not to get upset over hypotheticals. And if you do have to get angry, try to keep that anger bottled up instead of sharing it with everyone else.
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>>166654578
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>>166654728
You mean sakurai
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>>166654549
All myth essentially begins as fanfiction.
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>>166654728
>titan form
Where is this from?
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>>166654721
Call me when Lancelot is retconed to be a God for absolute no reason but wank, like Scat and Tamamo are.
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>>166654836
You mean Koyama
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>>166654861
Lancelot doesn't need to be a god, he's already above skill and miracles.
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>>166654720
Wait for part 2 or extella 2
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>>166654324
Archer contributes to the character development of UBW Shirou, and is a part of the way UBW Shirou develops his ideals, but Archers own development and the answer he finds are not a part of the arc of Shirous ideals. That arc is Shirou just following his ideals unimpeded in Fate and how he turns out after that, Shirou having his ideals tested by anothers ideals in UBW, and Shirou having his ideals placed in a reality where he has to choose between them and someone he cares about, and where he decides his happiness and that of his loved one is more imporant and becomes a human. Archer and his own arc is not a fourth part of that character arc and even implying that it is, is like saying you didn't know shit about it in the first place.
>And Shirou doesn't abandon his ideals in HF.
Yes, he does. He throws them away and his new priorities in life are Sakura and anyone else he cares fors happiness.
>but he still does hero shit and Sakura, like Rin, enables him.
Bullshit. It's already said that Shirou and Sakura settle down with normal jobs after HF, they aren't traveling the middle east shooting muslims. He would fight for her, but he is no longer attempting to be a hero.
>No? He really doesn't.
Yes, he does
>but if the man who threw away his human happiness and followed his ideals like a robot following a program became human after death
Fate Shirou died a robot. He did not figure out the truth behind Kerrys smile in his lifetime. He was given a happy end where he does retroactively but you've got Nasus word that it wasn't while he was alive.
>The only difference in HF is that Shirou reaches that conclusion sooner and put it into practice earlier.
No, he reaches a different conclusion entirely. It is outright said, by the author, that HF Shirou is the one who stops being a hero of justice and becomes a human.
>Archer smile (after remembering the answer from life, which means UBW who follows his footsteps is in the same boat).
Archer is from Fate.
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>>166654861
>Lancelot is retconed to be a God
He laughs at God from above World-level
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Who is the giant in the new Riyo comic?
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>>166654921
Its also Galahad's job.
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>>166654721
There's a difference between something that's widely accepted as a valid and worthy addition to the legend, and something that's fanfictioned up in modern times that's recognised as just one interpretation. It's like claiming those Mahabharat movies and shows from India are just as valid as the books themselves. There's also the fact that at the very least, Lancelot in Fate is accurate to his fanfiction, while Scathach isn't.

>>166654817
We know for a fact she's related to a certain European goddess, and we know she's got a higher form of Saint Graph. That's plenty to be annoyed about.

>>166654795
Achilles is a mopey fuck and Heracles is an asshole, for one.
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>>166654850
Some throwaway line from Extella where Cu says something along the lines of how he got the impression that Scathach might possibly have something that could be called a supposedly more powerful form since he perceived her as being so very strong when he and his fellow students fought her.
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>>166654721
I still can't believe a Frenchman rewrote a classic British folktale to include his OC purely to have him cuck the English monarch and it became the dominant fucking account of the entire bloody myth cycle.
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>>166654861
>Implying Lancelot isn't God level already with his limitless Arondight swordbeam and double saving throws

Nice try, Gilgameme. I already see through your falseflag.

W
E
W
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>>166655037
No, it's from the KnK event where he said she had a final form to fight all her disciples.
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Who /Arash/ here?

i came at a bad time huh
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>>166655039
That just show euros have been cucks from centuries
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>>166655039
A classic British folktale based on a Roman general.
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What if Melvin died months ago and it's all just falseflaggers unknowingly immortalising him through shitposting?

What if we accidentally meme him into the Throne?
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>>166655121
Next bronze I will level.

Though it's going to be a while.
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>>166654979
It's me. I'm a giant that eats lolis for breakfast.
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>>166654937
>the greatest and most skilled Irish hero even I a top servant who exists to job to you am no match for you yet I still sense you hold a even greater power
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People bitching about Scat but why no one complaint about Hassanwank?
They are just bunch of nobodies that spent day developing hashish and kill some random people before get btfo forever.
I don't remember their sect having Assassins with supernatural power or their leader is some guy that managed to kill everything and lived for thousand years.
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>>166655008
>We know for a fact she's related to a certain European goddess
The proposed relation was etymological and was only presented as a possibility. As in, her name might be related to the name of a certain Norse giantess, maybe. That's literally the entirety of the (hypothetical) relation as it was presented.
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>>166655195
How do you post?
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>>166655195
You monster!
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>>166655180
>Implying Melvin isn't in the Throne already

K
E
K

He's one with UNRIVALED, Gilfag
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>>166655239
>but why no one complaint about Hassanwank?
Because this is the Fate/Grand Order General, not the Assassin's Creed General
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>>166655239
The Hassans job all the time so no one cares
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>>166655180
>tfw you summon Melvin as Servant Avenger
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>>166655239
Except Muslims believe the real Hassan did all this and more.
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>>166653064
What are you talking about
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>>166652684
>her new interlude is bitching about how Goetia being killed means she's not dead anymore
I don't think that happened
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Who is that? Is that an existing character or Gudako's dough Servant?
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>>166652652
>New sword in Touken Ranbu
>it's Muramasa voiced by Junichi Suwabe
>Shirou is supposed to be demi-servant Sengo Muramasa in FGO

Really makes you think.
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>>166655239
I don't remember the part of Arthurian lore where the Lady tells him to use Excalibur to defeat the Martians either.
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So while Tesla seems deliberately designed to be an opposite to Gil, he is by no means a real Counter to him (though his NP does deal bonus damage to Gil, as he is a Sky attribute Servant).

You know who is? And is to such a degree that it must be deliberate?
Scathach.

If we just look at her stats in game she does have a lot of things that point to this. She is a 5 Star Lancer, meaning her stats are comparable to Gil’s and her attacks are super effective against him, while she is resistant towards his. But that’s nothing really specific to Scathach.
What is specific is her God Slayer skill, which increases her damage dealt to Divine and Undead targets.

“So what?” I hear you cry “she is a Lancer with an anti-Divine skill, so is Karna and I don’t hear you calling him a counter to Gil”.
That is true, but is Karna neither god nor human, but something unique, meaning that Gil has no weapons that directly counter her? Is Karna physically incapable of dying? Has Karna mastered every martial art and every skill a Heroic Spirit can possess?
No, but Scathach has.

Scathach’s time in the land of Shadows, kicking gods, near gods and whatever else that tried to crawl out of the underworld back down has turned her into something else. Something that’s existence is tied to the world and will continue existing as long as it does.
Scathach’s fame is that of a great teacher, one who taught heroes like CuChulainn. As a teacher of heroes it stands to reason that you know a wide variety of skills that heroes would need to learn. Just read the description on this skill:

Wisdom of the Abyss A+

The intellect of the abyss, acquired as a consequence of surpassing humans, killing gods and being left behind in the outside of the world. With exception of those particular of certain heroes, almost all skills can be displayed with a proficiency level of B~A Rank. Also, only towards those she has recognised as true heroes, it is also possible to teach such Skills.
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>>166655303
Giant keyboard made out of the bones of the lolis that I ate.
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>>166655397
Loli Stalin
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>>166655440
She literally has all the skills. All of them. Every single one that is not bound to a specific hero.

What is Gil’s weakness again? The fact that he hasn’t bothered to master a single weapon in his arsenal? Meaning that anyone with the ability to get past his barrage of weaponry and has mastery over their weapon can beat him in a fight.

Gil has all of the weapons and no proficiency. Scathach has a single weapon, but all of the proficiencies.

The Nasuverse doesn’t necessarily run on power levels, just a massive flowchart of who can beat whom. If you one day draw that flowchart out, none of those arrows will point at Scathach.
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more akkun
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>>166655565
>none of those arrows will point at Scathach.
>loses to Cu Alter
>wasn't even confirmed to have beaten Li Shuwen
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>>166655440
>existence is tied to the world
You activated my Ea GG meme.
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>>166655580
What the fuck is with that translation
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>>166655063
>Two Saving Throws
Try actually playing TTRPG you clown
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>>166655318
They are not accurate to legend and overwank to be in HS tier
And you forgot the main spooky guy
>>166655336
The muslim only recognise hashashin as some mercenaries group of hired killer.No,there isn't a girl that emit deadly poison or guy with demon arm
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>>166655580
I love how autistic she looks!
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>>166655440
>>166655565
Autism
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>>166655440
Counter point: Gilgamesh pulls out new item or NP that negates all of this shit you said, since that's how his ability basically works. Also clairvoyance is slightly unbeatable which is why he hates relying on it, but in a potential match up we have to factor it in.

Cu is already stronger than Scath with a master backing him up, he wouldn't dare fight Altera, when Gilgamesh barely beat out or tied against Altera up close.

Cu's had to beat his teacher nearly three times now when she gets in one of her bitch moods.
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>>166655739
>main spooky guy
>can't stop killing his own order until they died out
wow so wanked
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>and people were saying I was being autistic yesterday because I said scat was as cancerous as altera
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>>166654952

>That arc is Shirou just following his ideals unimpeded in Fate and how he turns out after that, Shirou having his ideals tested by anothers ideals in UBW, and Shirou having his ideals placed in a reality where he has to choose between them and someone he cares about

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

Shirou's ideals are constantly coming into conflict with reality throughout all three routes. There is never a moment that his ideals are 'unimpeded,' and Shirou's ideals aren't actually contrary to protecting the ones he cares about because that is his ideal, to make everyone he can see smile. Everyone he can see, not people he doesn't know. The only person who would even remotely suggest otherwise is someone who hasn't actually read the VN.

>Archer and his own arc is not a fourth part of that character arc and even implying that it is

Archer's arc is parallel to Shirou's own arc because Archer doesn't remember the answer he arrived at during life, and Shirou doesn't know the answer yet. They are about as separate as two lines of corn on the same cob.

>Yes, he does. He throws them away and his new priorities in life are Sakura and anyone else he cares fors happiness.

His ideals never cared about people he didn't know.

>Bullshit. It's already said that Shirou and Sakura settle down with normal jobs after HF, they aren't traveling the middle east shooting muslims. He would fight for her, but he is no longer attempting to be a hero.

Shirou never stopped learning to use his reality marble, as Rin notes in the epilogue. Sakura is the overseer of Fuyuki City, which means she has to deal with anything that goes wrong like orphan baby monsters growing out of the gutters. Rin and Sakura are getting ready to go hunt down Scar Red to get Shirou a much better body. There's nothing remotely 'normal' about their lives.

>Yes, he does

Nope.
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>>166655856
>casually forgetting Camelot and Babylon because lol don't count
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Imagine i work at typemoon.
Imagine i pick a literal who from Finland and turn him into a girl.
Imagine i made a made up bullshit about her not dying and trainning for millenia.
Imagine i also make her a fraction of a Divine Spirit with zero implication, like YHVH.
Imagine i make her have a gun made by the crystalization of the Planet and Human dreams and hopes.
Imagine i make her a loli with with big tits.
Imagine i make a whole order about every single divine spirity in the planet praising them for killing commies.
Imagine
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>>166654952


>No, he reaches a different conclusion entirely. It is outright said, by the author, that HF Shirou is the one who stops being a hero of justice and becomes a human.

Nasu outright says that in Fate he reaches the question, in UBW he reaches the answer, and HF is him putting the answer into practice.

>Archer is from Fate.

>Q: During the last part of Sakura’s route, Shirou was saved by the tiny bit of residual mana in Rin Tohsaka’s pendant. Also, it seems like Rin knew about the difference in residual mana between the thing he got back from Archer and the thing he was holding, so could Sakura’s route be the one in which Shirou becomes a Heroic Spirit after all? Or could you tell us the route(s) in which Shirou doesn’t become a Heroic Spirit?
>A: I’ll just say now that he doesn’t become a Heroic Spirit in any of the routes, but the possibility is still present in all of them as well. Basically, the probability of it happening is almost zero.
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Good night, /fgog/. See you tomorrow when the next Dantes story quest happens.
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>>166655429
>He never read Knight of the Cart IN SPACE
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Look at them analyzing the DEEP shirou, VN protagonist.
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>>166655995
Just make loli Pinochet with Heli Ride NP
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>>166655856
Show me where it stated that Hassan-i-Sabbah is an immortal guy that literally exist as a being almost on same tier as Angel of Death
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>>166655868
How many more Extra games before Tamamo starts getting her tails back.
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>>166655239
Unlike scat, the hashashin actually have a reputation. Scat is pretty much only known for training Cu and being the previous owner of gay bulge. All the legends are around Cu and he massively outshines her.

The hashashin on the other hand were infamous assassins that made sure everyone knew what they did. This ended up having most assassinations be attributed to them, even if they weren't responsible.

basically the hassans are the Cu to the other assassins operating in that area and time periods Scat. they are the ones written about and remembered.
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>Got up to the lewd part in Fate so the voices died out

I can't imagine playing the whole thing with no voices, it's so lonely and bleak.
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>>166656001
Unlimited Blade Works BD set II: Q: What was the Fifth Grail War that Heroic Spirit Emiya experienced in his lifetime like? Was the Archer summoned there also Emiya?
Nasu: It was a world where the conditions at the beginning of the war were mostly the same, but something was missing. Shirou summoned Saber and fought until the end, didn't save Saber's heart but understood her, and they destroyed the grail together and parted... that's the image I have.
Takeuchi: Ahh, so something like a Fate route Good End we didn't make in the game?!
Nasu: Yeah, probably. After that, it is believed he cooperates with Rin who survived, and heads to London
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>>166656161
>Ferdiad is more important than Scat in Cu's legend
>Still not a servant
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>>166656192

Archer's route is not Fate route.
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>Babbage is a normal guy that invented computer
>suddenly have EX rank Mecha

Explain this fatefag.
Why they wanked him?This isn't accurate at all according to history
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>>166655397
translate plz
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>>166656261
>Ferdiad has a passive that makes him invincible unless something is shoved up his ass
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>>166656148
Grand Order
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>>166656314
L-lewd
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>>166656305
>invented computer
>not deserving ex on everything
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>>166655897
>There is never a moment that his ideals are 'unimpeded,' and Shirou's ideals aren't actually contrary to protecting the ones he cares about because that is his ideal, to make everyone he can see smile.
You have literally no idea what you are talking about. His ideals are unimpeded in Fate because at no point does he have to choose between following his ideals and saving the person he loves the most. It all works hand in hand, he has no major ideological issues. In UBW, again, at no point does he have to choose between saving the person he loves the most and his ideals. Archer confronts him and tells him ideals are shit and he reconsiders them, but he does not throw them away or have to choose between them and Rin. In HF his ideals are blocked, he cannot protect as many people as he can like a hero should and protect the person he loves the most. They are mutually exclusive, either Sakura dies for hundreds of strangers or hundreds of strangers die for Sakura. That is his ideal being impeded, that is it meeting reality. You would know this if you read the VN.
>Archer's arc is parallel to Shirou's own arc because Archer doesn't remember the answer he arrived at during life, and Shirou doesn't know the answer yet.
You are mixing up the development of UBW Shirou as a character in his own route and the overarching discussion of his ideals.
>His ideals never cared about people he didn't know.
Yes, that's why he goes to the middle east to save refugees. Because he knows them all personally. His ideal is to protect everyone he possibly can.
>Shirou never stopped learning to use his reality marble, as Rin notes in the epilogue.
He doesn't stop training, but he stays in Fuyuki. The epilogue in Ataraxia has them discuss settling down and Sakura getting a job as a town arborist. Nothing is going to go wrong in Fuyuki now that the wars are over anyway.
>Nope.
>outright ignoring a quote from Nasu himself because it doesn't support your headcanon
Yeah, no.
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>>166656305
>American education
Babbage made steampowered mechas anon, the whole Steampunk genre are historic retellings of what he did.
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Is the account buying anon still here?

he didn't report anymore.
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>>166656161
>reputation
Where in this """reputation""" that someone like King Hassan appear?
They are footnote assassins,not armored guy walking in Valley of Death and can disguised in any form he like
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>>166655180
Melvin's been dead for months of course it's false flagging.
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>>166656001
>>166656263
I said from Fate because the idiot said he was from UBW. He's not literally Fate Shirou but his route is almost the exact same as Fates.
>Nasu outright says that in Fate he reaches the question, in UBW he reaches the answer, and HF is him putting the answer into practice.
He says Fate is asking a question, UBW is considering an answer and HF is applying the answer in reality. It's three parts of one discussion of Shirous ideals, among all the other themes and arcs in the VN.
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>find a flaw in UBW route

the emotional climax of the route was shirou vs the redman and it should would have been immensely more satisfying to finish it there

the only good thing about the gil fight is here i come king of heroes, do you have enough weapons in stock
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>>166656263
>Nasu: It was a world where the conditions at the beginning of the war were mostly the same, but something was missing. Shirou summoned Saber and fought until the end, didn't save Saber's heart but understood her, and they destroyed the grail together and parted... that's the image I have.
>Takeuchi: Ahh, so something like a Fate route Good End we didn't make in the game?!


>Literally confirmed to be Fate route that diverged slightly near the end with Arthuria's choice
>Only difference is her heart was never swayed, and he moved on with his life.
>Creators say it was part of Fate route that was cut
>"No b-but, it has nothing to do with Fate route, h-headcanon"
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Do Servants show up on cameras?
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>>166655180
Wouldn't be surprised

He's a spic so maybe he's gonna get drafted into building the wall
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>>166656619
Unless they're in astral form, yeah. How else would Artoria have had a passport?
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>>166655397
Why is Nursery Rhyme afraid? Just fucking Jabberwock it to oblivion.
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>>166656719
Iri wearing a wig.
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>>166656756
Jabberwock doesn't exist in GO
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Are Scath's vaginal muscles strong enough to crush a dick?
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>>166656816
>scath

Fuck off reddit
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>The Rise of Gawain contains some humorous incidents; notably, when Gawain pushes Arthur into the River Usk and the king is forced to explain to his wife Gwendoloena (Guinevere) why he is so wet.
>tfw you will never see artoria having to explain why she is so wet

I wish nasu would take some elements from this version and include gawain in the rome wank since he spent his childhood there
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>>166656816
There's only one way to find out.
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>>166655773
Godhood does that to you.
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>>166656913
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new bread when
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>>166656997
Never

Let it die
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>>166655440
Reminder that Gil has EVERY treasure on Earth or its prototype

And this confirms he has the DBs he can easily kill Scatshit with it

Also Goetia confirmed Prisma as canon

So scatfags BTFO
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>>166656473
>a new Seljuk sultan emerged with the coronation of Tapar's son Sanjar. When Sanjar rebuffed the hashashin ambassadors who were sent by Hassan for peace negotiations, Hassan sent his hashashin to the sultan. Sanjar woke up one morning with a dagger stuck in the ground beside his bed. Alarmed, he kept the matter a secret. A messenger from Hassan arrived and stated, "Did I not wish the sultan well that the dagger which was struck in the hard ground would have been planted on your soft breast". For the next several decades there ensued a ceasefire between the Nizaris and the Seljuk. Sanjar himself pensioned the hashashin on taxes collected from the lands they owned, gave them grants and licenses, and even allowed them to collect tolls from travelers
Their reputation is that beggar or emperor all are capable of being assassinated just as easily.

Fate takes that and amps it by 500 like every other servant, but it's not entirely unfounded.
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>>166656798
It doesn't? Was she nerfed or was it reconned out?
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>>166657063
She doesn't have it because something something moon cell i.e. it was too hard to implement
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Holy shit that shitposting
Nuke this thread
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>>166657137
Just nuke Japan.
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>>166656439

>You have literally no idea what you are talking about.

You need to stop posting.

>His ideals are unimpeded in Fate because at no point does he have to choose between following his ideals and saving the person he loves the most. It all works hand in hand, he has no major ideological issues.

Right, because the only ideological issue Shirou ever faces is the Spiderman dilemma. Fucking read the VN.

>In UBW, again, at no point does he have to choose between saving the person he loves the most and his ideals. Archer confronts him and tells him ideals are shit and he reconsiders them, but he does not throw them away or have to choose between them and Rin.

Again, you seem to think the only thing that challenges his ideals is the Spiderman dilemma, even though in UBW his ideals are challenged at the exact same level. Their very premise is held up as flawed due to impossibility.

>In HF his ideals are blocked, he cannot protect as many people as he can like a hero should and protect the person he loves the most. They are mutually exclusive, either Sakura dies for hundreds of strangers or hundreds of strangers die for Sakura. That is his ideal being impeded, that is it meeting reality. You would know this if you read the VN.

In HF Shirou's ideals are confronted with the actual impossibility of saving everyone as Archer explained in UBW. And Shirou does exactly what he already decided he would do in UBW, which is accept that it's a losing game he's playing and just do what he could anyways. Accepting that he could not fulfill his ideals in that scenario absolutely does not mean that he threw them away, given that he behaves exactly the same as he always has throughout every other route.
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>>166657205
But we already did.
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>>166657107
But a lot of servants have NP's in GO that I doubt making Nursery Rhyme use Jabberwock would be any big deal. Is it at least in her mats?
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>>166657298
A 3rd one wouldn't hurt, just a little sip.
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>>166657298
Nuke it harder.
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>>166656439

>You are mixing up the development of UBW Shirou as a character in his own route and the overarching discussion of his ideals.

Literally how?

>Yes, that's why he goes to the middle east to save refugees. Because he knows them all personally. His ideal is to protect everyone he possibly can.

The actual ideal was spelled out word for word in the VN and you're arguing with it?

>He doesn't stop training, but he stays in Fuyuki. The epilogue in Ataraxia has them discuss settling down and Sakura getting a job as a town arborist. Nothing is going to go wrong in Fuyuki now that the wars are over anyway.

Yes, just ignore all the reasons why being a Supervisor is a serious duty that involves protecting the region from shit like Dead Apostles, hunted magi, and anything else that could possibly go wrong that is outside the purview of normal society.

>Yeah, no.

Nothing Nasu said runs contrary to what I said.

>>166656602

>I said from Fate because the idiot said he was from UBW. He's not literally Fate Shirou but his route is almost the exact same as Fates.

>Archer is the Shirou with the worst possible future and he still arrives at the same answer during his lifetime, and UBW Shirou is following his footsteps exactly

Reading comprehension

>He says Fate is asking a question, UBW is considering an answer and HF is applying the answer in reality. It's three parts of one discussion of Shirous ideals, among all the other themes and arcs in the VN.

No, he says UBW is THE ANSWER. The exact wording doesn't leave it up for debate. There's only one answer to the question for Shirou.
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>>166657298
3 is the perfect number
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3 Quartz for 15 million QP. How much Quartz do you spend?
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>>166657445

Jannu Lily growing stronger
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>>166657387
My country got hit by four american nuclear bombs and is a disaster, i don't recomend it
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Please add the new discord to the next OP.
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>>166657516
15 million quartz
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>>166657516

none
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>>166657561
It's not like they could get any worse.
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>>166657668
>>166657668
>>166657668
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>>166657063
Its in her Story For Somebdy Sakes(that have other things like card soldier and forest) but of course all you get is her shooting candies out of a book and get a massive rank down
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>>166657273
>Right, because the only ideological issue Shirou ever faces is the Spiderman dilemma.
Like it or not, that's how Nasu showcases Shirous struggle. You seem to be doing your best to completely ignore everything I'm saying, so I'm going to try and dumb it down for you. In the VN Shirou does a lot of introspection and thinking about his ideal. Everyone tells him he's insane, there's parallels with Saber and Archer, he's outright not a real human being.

However, the only time that he head on tackles the core aspect of his ideal, saving as many people as he possibly can without any regard to his own life, is when that runs contrary to saving the person he loves the most. Calling it meme names won't change that it's the choice between Sakura and numerous others that breaks his ideal in HF, and breaks it permanently. From that point on he is not aiming to be a superhero, but to be Sakuras hero specifically. This is outright said in the text many times but I'm repeating it since you clearly didn't read the VN.

After Fate route, Shirou travels the world risking his life to save strangers and only doesn't become a CG because he remembers his feelings for Saber, although this by Nasus own admission isn't enough to make him human until after he dies. In UBW, it's the same shit but he's with Rin instead. In HF, after the route he settles down with Sakura in Fuyuki, they get jobs in the city, and they raise a family and stay in the area. He is no longer aiming to be a hero who protects as many people as he can, he is dedicated to his family and his family only.

This is hammered into you when you read the route. It is the defining difference between the Shirous and how they end up living out their lives and ideals. The author outright says "This one becomes a hero robot and this one becomes a human with a family". You cannot argue this point.
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>>166657449
>Literally how?
In each route Shirou develops as a character and his ideals are explored. The development Shirou does as a character does not carry over between routes, the narration of his ideals does. Archer in UBW has his own story arc that intertwines with Shirous maturation, but his story arc does not intertwine with the 3 route ideal arc. It's not question, discussion, answer, also Archer is there doing his own thing, it's question, discussion, answer. Nasu has said this.
>The actual ideal was spelled out word for word in the VN and you're arguing with it?
You're arguing with it you idiot. Shirous ideal is based on Kerrys happiness in saving him. He believes you can find happiness by saving others. Whether or not those others are people he already knows or not is completely irrelevant. Shirou would not think twice about risking his life for a stranger. This is why he goes out to save strangers in Fate and UBW and stops in HF. Because in the first two he sticks with his ideal and in the last one he decides loved ones are more important.
>Yes, just ignore all the reasons why being a Supervisor is a serious duty that involves protecting the region from shit like Dead Apostles, hunted magi, and anything else that could possibly go wrong that is outside the purview of normal society.
Such a serious job Sakura and Shirou get normal fulltime careers. Right.
>Nothing Nasu said runs contrary to what I said.
You are outright saying his own quotes are bullshit.
>Reading comprehension
Archer didn't find his answer during his lifetime and UBW Shirou is not following his steps exactly. He tells Archer to his face in the route that he will carry on with his ideals but not the way Archer did so he won't end up the same.
>There's only one answer to the question for Shirou.
And only one route where he actually goes through with it.

Please, read the VN.
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>>166643638
MHX arriving after Sparks Liner High just as Alter has fully healed.
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