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>Breach league
https://www.pathofexile.com/breach
>2.5 patch notes
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1773975
>Ascendancy Offline Skill Planner
https://github.com/EmmittJ/PoESkillTree/releases/
>Helpful links
http://pastebin.com/1GThtBUt
>"Hey guys what's the price on this piece of shit item"
http://poe.trade/
>Wiki
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Path_of_Exile_Wiki
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this is a (You) free zone
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>>166624934
no anymore
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early levels I do breaches. But usually I just die at higher ones so I don't bother
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help I've rolled an energy shield character and cannot die
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I think SWT might be low-key OP, guys
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everything below this line is autism posting

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hurrr hurrr xd
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everything above that line is autism posting
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>>166625243
it can be pretty allright, specially in this league with full fire convo and double dippin ignites

your build is gonna run in a scaling wall tho
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post gamertag to join xbone poeg guild
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>master crafting basically completely removed all perfectly rolled or close to perfect rolled items from the market and existence

It's like they have no idea what they're doing
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When will claws be good again? There are no good physical claws besides the Scourge
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>current meta entirely dominated by claws
>when will thei b gud agin¿
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HoWaA is more of a lightning wand disguised as a claw than an actual melee physical claw, but thanks for being the average retard

You probably consider Blade Furry "melee" too you nimrod
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>[2:04] randomplayer1: hi i would like to buy your item you've had listed forever
>[2:04] randomplayer2: hi i would like to buy that same item you've had listed forever
doesn't appear to have any special meaning just confused me that it happened at the exact same time
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>tfw no phoenix maps
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>>166627337
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>>166627819
it's a guy running multiple accounts to jew you down lower
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>>166627226
t. retard who refuses to use site's features for the sake of memes since his life is that pathetic.
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>>166627226
Too bad it's dominated entire by one specific claw (or maybe two).
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I'm pretty new, and I've been doing the infinite strand thing. I decided to do a vault map to see if I could get my fortune teller's collection prophecy to proc. I alched it and didn't corrupt, so no completion.

I just ran a strand and a vault map dropped. I thought I had to complete the t12 maps to put them into my map pool, so I'm a little confused
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>>166630062
I know, it's depressing af, I always wanted to build around Touch of Anguish (has cool 3D art and everything), maybe with Frost Blades or something, but it only feels like a waste of time.
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>>166630181
Vault was still completed. You just didn't get the extra completion bonus point
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Will Hardcore ever get any support again, or is it a dead game mode?
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>>166630432
The game is balanced around hardcore
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kinda sad i dont even like poe anymore but im still the best player around here
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>EHP
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How can you be the best player if you're not SSFHC
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>>166630432
What do you mean? HC leagues have been created since the beggining of time.

>>166630474
You're not catposter, impostor.
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>mapping
>300% movespeed
>Half asleep mode
>But wait, it's camouflaged bleed frog
>Dead within human reaction time
really balanced around HC fo' sure
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>what is Death's Door
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i like when shitcrows say things like "i have 2k life and 3k ES am i ready for t12 maps?"

it's cute
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>>166626758
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LMrYHpmuZU
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Retard.
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What's a catposter?
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>tfw I end up pressing play on the same song over and over again in between maps
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>>166631613
Linking Park - In The End ?
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Why can't they make the tooltip DPS reflective of the actual damage
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>>166631613
Initial D - DDD Initial D?
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>>166631924
Should've gotten full ban for being a disrespectful little shit.
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>>166632048
ok tyrone
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>>166632058
Since when are niggers respecful? Do you not even see the logic behind your insults? Fucking retard.
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>>166631924
>I'm 12 and this is funny
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>>166632128
>Since when are niggers respecful?
>Fucking retard.
sure tyrone
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>>166632159
>fucking retard is a nigger insult

We should drop you in the ghetto(map) so you learn a little bit about chimpanzee behaviour, frinedo.
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hidden
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>>166631924
the only notable thing about this is that you had global chat on and you actually talked on it like those reddit normies
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>>166632298
Fuck off with this shit already.
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>guy offers me 5 exalts for a item listed for 290 chaos less than a day ago
>sneakily changed the price at the end and I was busy in a party and didnt notice so wasted my time going to his hideout

what the fuck is wrong with these people

over the past few days Ive had tons of these people trying to abuse people not knowing the price of exalts or something

I had the cheapest Kiara's up for 62 chaos or something and had literally over 10 people offering to buy it for 1 exalt. why the FUCK would I accept a 40chaos item for a item listed for 62

god I fucking hate this trade system
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>>166632449
>Dear Diary
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leagues are literally over. who cares
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>>166632449
Same thing happened to me an item I listed for 50c and someone offers 1 ex when it's the cheapest price and I listed it 1 minute ago. He started arguing with me when I declined
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starforge sux
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>>166632550
What the fuck are you even talking about, if you mean about the 5ex guy you know there's a reply option here right? Or are you too retard to not know how it works?

>>166633132
Not really, you just can't afford it you poor piece of shit.
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>he thinks 400c is too much
>he thinks one would even need to buy it

are all birdleaguers this bad?
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>found out a random unique jewel I had sitting in my stash is worth 5 ex

good feels
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>wake up
>it's not early march yet
>go back to sleep
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starforge succs
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for the corrupting jewel challenge do I literally just vaal any jewel I find?
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>>166633418
He who? Are you a retard who doesn't know how to reply properly like a functional human bean?
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so if I have say a 130+ max energy shield roll on a vaal regalia, whats the best way to go about further crafting? aug and if its decent try regaling? Ive heard about some weird stuff you do with master crafting to block stuff but I dont know how it works very well
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>>166633318
try again sweetie ;)
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>no dying sun
>skyforth on howa
>no rare amulet
I hope that claw has culling. Rlly makes me think
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>>166634062
>using valyrium
>ever
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>nerd complaining about skyforth on howa

what did he mean by this
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>>166634024
Good to see you can take screenshot off twich streams, faggetie ;)

>>166634062
>>166634284
You know you look like a retard when you don't reply to anybody, right?
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>Xbone version announced
>interest on the game disappears in one week
I don't know what GGG expected.
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Post your tree then. It's probably less dps using skyforth than using boots with like 50int on them and getting unwavering
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>>166634361
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>>166634476
>not using scourge skin transfer
>not having breachlord cape

TRIGGERED
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>>166634476
What the fuck is that white bar? Are you afraid of something kiddo?

>implying you can't beg that faggot streamer to type that for you, or even easier: photoshop it in
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this guy is going all out
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>>166634885
>this guy
>doesn't reply to said guy

Retard incarnation.
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look at this retard wasting all his (you)s lmao
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im talking about you idiot
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>>166635235
>>166635276
>hurr he doesn't meme like us lmao!!

So this is what you guys do all day, what a waste of semen tee bee eich.
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im not here 16 hours a day
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Emberwake + Oro's Sacrifice summoner y/n
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are yoy gonna animate oros every map???
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summoner not animater
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there is 0 synergy between minions and oros
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>just got springs and lair of the hydra drops from a high level beach map via zana's mission even though I haven't unlocked any maps connected to them
Really got me thinking tbf
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>>166635416
>>166635417
>>166635464
>>166635593
>>166635730
What the fuck is this retardation, might as well go to discord if you're going to do this all generals you fucking normies.
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do you know how map drops work?
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yeah zana ignores atlas for map drops

free chaos for u
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are these actually good or a meme? I can't tell with only 4 listed on poetrade
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>>166636440
Shit, don't buy.
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So act 5 will finally remove Cruel right?
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>>166636703
Yeah
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>>166636703
>>166636943

The real question is can they possibly make an act boss more fucking annoying than malachai
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>>166637050
They will, my guessing is that it will be gpu intensive again so my shitty pc freezes a ton. I fucking hated when they revamped merveil only to make her lag even more.
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Will GG nerf merciless malachai to make it easier for people to access the new a5 ledge/fellshrine/docks/dried lake equivalent ?
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When you search for items you can search for tags not specific things

like "quality rare" or "quality normal" and find exactly what you want

amazing.....
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>>166637360

almost assuredly

whatever the A5 boss is will become the new meme and Malachi will be nerfed
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Lost interest in the league and converted all remaining currency to fusings to spam for the 6l cheevo.
use 7k and get 15 5 links.
I'm less mad than impressed at how unpleasant crafting is. THank god based voprici can force it these days.
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i love this >EHP meme desu
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>>166636440
>level 31 unique armor
>are these good?
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>i've never used shadow and dust in my life

yes they're good, buy them
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>>166639205
I used like ~2000 fusings and got 3/4 6 links

owned
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>>166636440
theyre some of the best gloves in the game
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>someone tries to lowball me out of an item with a fixed price
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>when someone tries to lowball you on an item you posted 30 seconds ago that's the cheapest one
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im that guy

or my bot is, to be specific
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>cannot leech life/mana mod on map
FUCK YOU
It's a twinned springs map guys, is it salvageable if I replace my 6L cyclone with ancestral warchief and use a 4L cyclone just to get life back with life on hit gem?
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>tfw no headhunter
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I hope PoE becomes challenging again. I know the odds of that happening is close to 0%, but i can always wish.
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I'm level 83 as CI ED trickster. 11k ES and about 40k DPS with consuming dark. How difficult would normal Atziri fight be?
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>>166640559
maybe in sh*tcore
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>>166645317
Shouldn't be too bad. It's all about knowing the mechanics and how to avoid it. It would be easier with strong burst damage instead of ED though.
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>>166645515
I've never ran a single Atizir run before, but I'm kinda bored of this character. Hopefully I run out of portals before I rip.
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>>166643131
why not just sell it for full price and buy a new one?
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>>166643131
Just run fucking vaal clarity you dumdum. Then at the boss use your portals if needed.
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>>166647038
I'm considering that
>>166647109
>just use vaal clarity
yea gj what about my life tho
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>>166647156
>having life problems
What, you use blood,agic or something? Use instant life flask then or something
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>>166647251
???
nigger I rely on leech to recover lost HP
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ugh i despise shitcrows so much
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people often choose to hate that which they do not understand
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>vaal pact retards are so dumb they can't even imagine a world where they use a life flask to regen life
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>>166649881
>nobody mentions vaal pact
>retard starts bashing on vaal pact users for no reason
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If your build RELIES on leech to stay alive and you are not using vaal pact you're even more retarded
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>I have never played slayer
retards out
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are you retarded?
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Are YOU? nigger
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>>166652518
This

It's really sublime considering secret 4chan guild is Slayer™
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>>166652450
Say that to my face and see what happens.
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That's not necessarily true. VP removes the life leech cap and makes it instant, but that in itself is fairly useless if you don't have the damage to match your life 1:1.
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oh yea whats a good bow build to use as a lab farmer

i'm thinking a slayer for the 20% cull using retch and barrage

sounds like a nice meme
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tfw got a warning from janny for posting jubilee

also im coming back to this game after a long time not playing, im following some arc witch build on the forum but im having difficulty clearing bosses, and im guessing its cause of my gear which i have no idea whats good or not or whats an upgrade or not

is there some kind of guide that breaks down what you should be looking for outside of sockets/links on gear? I get that hp/ES is good, and since im running arc witch probably spell damage/elemental damage, but what about the finer things

thanks
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>>166654093
If you don't get shit like crit arc inquisitor for balance or elemental overload to boost your damage you're really behind with scaling.

These days rarely anyone plays lightning skill because of Vaal Trap, even cold conversion/status ailment swap to ignite helm stuff is more viable thanks to Vortex doubledip intricacies.
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>>166653813
kotf
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>>166654093
tendrils or storm call are good single target lighting options.
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>>166633872
Use Poe.affix. Basically you just want to block either the suffixes or affixes based on what you've already rolled.
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>>166654093
that's because Arc if fucking garbage for single target, and that build is way outdated even though it pretends it's not. What the fuck are you doing?

either you accept your build is okay for trash clearing and trash at clearing bosses, or you reroll to something different
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retarded are we
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>eq vs cyclone (slayer)
Is it worth it to make a swap for cyclone after getting high dps wep and lacking eq helm enchant?

Me thinks rapid decay could suffice in a 5l with decent ias for eq.
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i caved in and bought legion poeg

how do i live with myself
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>>166655261
i just wanted to have fun learning the game
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how do you manage to get even more pathetic every day
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PoE on PC is dead until GGG removes desync mode from SSF leagues and encrypts the map and map goodies like Doter 2 and lol

PoE on PC is dead until they kill scripts in SSF leagues by adding a delay = to the time it takes for a script to cast TP and port out to logging out in order to kill scripts that automatically chicken out for you.
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>>166654093
i like how posting that or even a photo of a dead bird can get you a warning, but you can post all the anime you want and never hear of a toilet cleaner
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>>166656778
Or they could make the game fun, so people would actually enjoy playing it instead of staring at poetrade and high score lists all day.
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>>166656778
desync is already gone if you play on lockstep encryption would be desirable but i guess they think its not worth the trouble since PoE isnt really a competitive game like those you mentioned and you cant kill scripts, they just need to add a logout timer
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>>166639205
don't stop at a 5link. every person who complains of never hitting a 6link always has the same strategy,5 links are not worth shit, keep on spamming.
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>not saving your 6l cheevo for the Xbox 1 release
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I really wish there was a way to entirely blank slate your character for like 50 regrets and it set you back to 0 skill points spent and 0 ascendancy points

Having to spend like 3ex to respec is fucking gay
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i can blank your mums slit for free
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>>166657220
it's never going to be fun to play a pc game where a central component of it is perpetually undermined by cheats.

>>166657260
you miss the point. desync mode needs be striped in order to implement a system that would allow server side encryption of pertinent data, in order to render huds obsolete
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>>166658110
>striped
stripped or removed rather
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>>166658110
i dont see why that couldnt work with predictive

there are old mmos with a netcode quivalent to poe's predictive that later on got packet encryption (it wasnt part of the original design) to kill cheats
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>>166658593
which ones? if that is the case then the point doesn't change, it only makes such a system more sensible and needed sooner
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>>166625243
Does that do anything to bosses though? Doesn't seem like an outstanding dps to me desu
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>>166658728

ragnarok online and that WoW knockoff runes of magic started with terribly shitty netcode (worse than poe's) and zero anticheat.

encryption solved a lot of the cheating problems but it was an ongoing process (took a while, years, to really curb out cheating). im gonna guess devs have learned those lessons and know how to implement better anticheating systems by now
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>>166637050
>phases with invulnerability and boss healing himself
>tiny arena + 90% of its surface being covered in turboaids

What could they do to make it even worse?
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Why does Avatar of Fire happen to good builds?
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How is this game to play casually?

When I watched Kripp playing it a long time ago it seemed like the races and ladders were the reasons to play this game.

I just want something I can mindlessly grind by myself in
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>>166659464
don't forget everything being the same color so you can't see shit anyways
>red outline traps on red-brown background
seriously who the fuck greenlit that fight?
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>>166659464
>boss has proximity shield and teleports all over his arena all the time

this already exists in-game btw
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oh wow I just realized this jewel I've been using for lack of better options in my cyclone build is probably better used in a poison doublesauce build
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>>166659620
leagues last for 3 months, that's more than enough time to get a character to endgame even if playing casually
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>>166659706
fucking wahakawairu tahau
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>>166659620

>mindlessly

you've come to the right place

this is casual game now
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>>166656609
you don't. kys catshitter
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>>166659464
poison and ignite immune, resists chaos and all elements

cannot be stunned/chilled etc


hexproof and casts vulnerability


deals chaos+physical damage

always focuses the player and ignores all totems

REALLY fast moving so all channeling skills suck dick with conc effect on

summons necromancers who cast temporal chains

the map gets smaller every 10 seconds so you can't kite for long

map also has chilled ground on one side and burning ground on the other so no matter where you go you can choose to either kite or to take damage and interrupt regen


sounds like a good boss to me sign me up
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>>166659242
Anticheat has and always will consist of a game of cat and mouse. Anticheat is a non solution to the cheating problem. Anticheat works by modifying strings in the client each time a cheat author figures them out, pushing the patch out, banning cheaters and then it's a race by the cheat authors to locate the new strings and update. All this takes less than 24 hours typically. Hence, non solution but still necessary to curb the cheat authors and cheaters to only the knowledgeable and dedicated. Problem is these few often make up the top players in the game, which undermines the whole concept of it.

I dunno enough about RO or RoM to say what they did or how it worked but I do know botting won't be stopped in these games. What I suggest doesn't matter whether bots exist or not because in SSF there's no economy and in PoE bots can't compete with top leaderboard players because they can't safely run the necessary content in order to do so.

What cheats that do plague PoE are the ones that

1. let players cheat death -- easily solved problem as already described in first post
2. let players know location of everything in the map immediately and the position of all mobs and dangerous monsters before approaching them aka a hud

Number 2 can be solved doter 2 side but that would require not trusting the client with info that's needed in order for the client prediction model to work. Add this system and you must remove desync mode, from SSF leagues at least. And do you need desync mode for solo play? Not really.
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>>166659989
>doter 2 side
style i mean, server side encryption
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>>166659765
the only thing that double dips on that jewel is the chaos dmg, you turdbird

for max double dipping you'd want area, global, chaos, or minion
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New player here.

Should I be saving all the skill gems that drop or does it not matter? I've got half a stash slot full already.
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>>166660725
no only ones you are going to use and ones with quality on them
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>>166659989

the thing is that encryption can run on lockstep, while as far as the player is concerned, he is playing on predictive. a cheat could make the client send bogus requests but the rate in which certain important information is sent to the client can still be tied to a verifiable packet chain
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>>166661020
>the thing is that encryption can run on lockstep, while as far as the player is concerned, he is playing on predictive
What do you mean by this? Lockstep and client prediction models are two distinctly separate user selectable choices that feel distinctly different and behave technically and physically different.

The whole point is to use only the lockstep model as the other user selectable model isn't compatible with the pertinent data being server side. Desync mode must ping pong with the client to work thus it shouldn't be compatible with a doter 2 like map system aka as "fog of war".

If somehow fog of war worked with client prediction model then great I guess. The point is such a system is necessary or else SSF is just a cheater's paradise and pointless.
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>>166659918
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Looking for a good aoe melee skill

Using a 2h sword so earthquake is not a possibility.

What should i go for?
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to: 166663687

molten strike
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>>166633872
Wealthy shitbird crafter here
You aug for any suffix, doesn't matter if it's shit, then regal anyway and hope you get a t1 or t2 es prefix. If you don't then you scour and start over. You only block suffixes when you get to the exalting stage. For es armors there is nothing really to block; you use the master craft to fill or hold a suffix because it's a 50/50 chance on whether or not the exalt adds a prefix or a suffix. If you get a suffix with the first exalt then a mastercraft ensures you get a prefix with the next exalt. If you were to craft something like reflect with haku to prevent that prefix from rolling then you wouldn't be able to exalt another.

The reason you craft this way with ES gear is because the prefixes are what determines 90% of the armors sell value.
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>>166663687
If you're sticking with a 2h sword then choose between cyclone, lacerate and sweep if you want aoe.
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>>166663850
Id quite rather something non-elemental, going for a slayer with a very large % of my leech applying to physical, so i'd rather be mono physical if possible. Frankly i was thinking between cyclone, sweep and cleave.
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>>166663937
Oh right i forgot about lacerate, i'll give it a try
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hey is bleed still secret OP or is it bad now
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I'm done with PoE for this league but I still want to play it but I can't bring myself to bother

I got all the challenges done and I leveled 8 characters to 90, killed shaper &guardians etc but my currency is a fucking mess because of all the respeccing and rebuilding and regearing I did

guess next season 1-3 characters will be optimal
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>>166664057
Make sure you have tons of attack speed or it will feel clunky as shit. Faster attacks/multistrike are a must
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>>166663687
flicker strike
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>>166664115
It's shit.
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>>166664232
Yeah, Lacerate + Phys Damage + Multi + Crits +Crit Multi is my current plan, doing a Katana crit slayer.

His name is Ken-sama
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what's a good SSFHC Scion build
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>Diablo 3 on the ps4 will have self found group and solo leaderboards
>PoE might not even have self found at all on the inferior xbone
>Diablo 3 will be the pinnacle of competitive diablo-like play
>PoE on xbone will be filled with chinese trade merchants
Explain this poetards
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>>166664652
a different game
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>>166664831
Blizzard: an immense soulless corporate machine that only cares about making money and sold out to Activision

GGG: a tiny indie company with involved figuredheads and passionate game designers that cares about making the best arpg possible that remains entirely free 2 play to this day
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>>166664995
If ggg didn't care about money and instead cared about making the 'best arpg possible' then they wouldn't have shat out all this xbone content and a console port.
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>>166664995
>we're still just a garage studio guise pls believe the indie dream while we don't tell you we're using your supporter dollars to create an xbox casual game for three years

at this point the only difference between the two is technical: one is inept one isn't
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r8 my shit meme build
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How much are you paying on a monthly basis to play this game again? Oh that's right. Nothing. Because it's 100% free.
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whats a decent cheap build for a newbie that deals with bows
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>>166665183
>Go full meme fire
>Not a +1 The Signal
It is shit m8
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>>166664995
>>166665269
>that remains entirely free 2 play to this day

Go ahead and try playing endgame without paid stash and enjoy spending half your day figuring out what the fuck you should trash this time
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>>166665320
but muh pierce
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Hardcore Breach, no extra damage mods shaped shore map t13 easy rolled for easy exp.
Level 88 Chieftain SR-FS with 9204hp, capped res, 59% chaos res, 71% phys mitigation died in 0,2s to weird accident with boss at the side of the screen and couple srs'es flying around.
You might say - PoE is not balanced about life, go ES nub - but c'mon - character built like this cannot die within couple frames time.

It was hard decision, but I can't play so imbalanced game any further.

See you in another Wraeclast.
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>>166665592
hey if ur quitting gimme your taming ring
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>>166665685
But he died, it's in standard now.
>playing standard
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>>166666172
I have a character in standard with a oro's flicker build I like to mess around with and I need that ring
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>>166665592
>pes
>dsj
>skoki narciarskie 2002
seba/10
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Why the fuck does the Berek's Respite div card cost 12c in BSC and 2.5ex in standard?
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>>166666172
>hes so poor that he doesn't have alt art race rewards, mirrored weapons and fun legacies to make stupid builds with when the league dies
lmaoing at ur lyfe fampai
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>>166664368
ah, it's "shit"?
haha
gotcha
*winks*
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>>166666515
more people running nemesis in BSC?
more people farming div strongboxes?
1 ex in BSC not being the same as 1 ex in STD?
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>>166666666
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>PoE has to compete with THIS on XBOX1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNG_szaXNNU
Flop of the century incoming?
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>>166667104
> bioware

mass effect is shit
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>>166665592
>2000
>+17
>using opera
>not vivaldi
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>>166667523
Correction: ME1 was fine
ME2/3 had shit writing and the gameplay was pretty much gears of war in space but worse.
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>>166667523
it doesnt matter its shit

hopeless fanboys and console players will buy it
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>>166667523
t. shit eating pleb
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>>166660725
Remember that you can trade skill gems with total quality of 40+ for a gemcutter's prism and that you can trade a lvl 20 gem + gcp for a lvl 1 - 20 quality gem.
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>>166667685
me3 gameplay was fine. even the multiplayer was ok, it was no longer a cover shooter like me2 but something a bit more similar to warframe

it was everything else that was complete shit
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mass effect is generic movie sci fi game for console kiddie

epik graphic le epik choices dude outer space lol
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did you guys stop with the autism that makes the thread unbearable yet?
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ME has:

1. better waifus than PoE
2. better story than PoE (even after drew left)
3. looks better than PoE
4. cheaper than PoE (the most anyone spend on ME franchise was calculated to be like $800, the most anyone ever spend on PoE is like $20000)
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>>166669283
no, it's the defining thread of this thread
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but what is poe is in the same mass effect universe and the beast/kitava is a reaper buried under wraeclast and virtue gems are reaper tech

undying eternals look a lot like husks........
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>>166669426
Baldur's Gate was infinitely better than either
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i'd rather play a doom wad than mass effect tbqh
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>>166665152
Every company cares about money, it's how they survive. If you think otherwise then you're a fucking idiot. Just some of them have better standards, and GGG tends to display ones superior to others in the industry.

>>166669426
>waifus
>story
>looks
>actually paying money
Who gives a shit about any of these? Fuck off casuals
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>>166669094
The first one was fine because it actually resembled an RPG with an inventory and modding system.
2/3 basically removed all the meta stuff.
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>>166670383

>sold out to tencent for sweatshop worker money
>sold out to ms for consolekiddie's parents money
>sucks streamer dick for advertising even if that fucks over the playerbase
>runs their RMT emporium on the side

>somehow still has "superior" standards
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forgot your cat picture
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>>166670635
>sold out to tencent for sweatshop worker money
Hasn't affected our game
>sold out to ms for consolekiddie's parents money
Hasn't affected our game (and hopefully they stick to their word and it doesn't)
>sucks streamer dick for advertising even if that fucks over the playerbase
plz explain
>runs their RMT emporium on the side
oh my god you're one of those speculating tinhat retards
>somehow still has "superior" standards
Yeah, come back when you have a proper argument.
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>>166670898

my argument is back by facts and overwhelming circumstantial evidence

your's is backed by blind fanboyism and "faith" in chris' statement
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>>166669094
lol

it's just a FPS cancer with boobs for PC audience

consoles were fine before they had all the shitty western RPG...
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>>166671284
>consoles were fine before they had all the shitty western RPG...

I agree, fellow gaijin san

If only the decaying western civilization was more like the infinitely more refined and advanced east-asian one....
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>>166671173
>overwhelming circumstantial evidence
It's good to think critically about what they do, but circumstantial evidence is exactly what it is. If you look into it enough then the facts don't add up. I've told you to research more before, and you still haven't. So I'm happy to call you a mentally unhinged retard.

Yeah no shit I have fanboyism, I play a game I enjoy and it's still a game I enjoy, if they went down the path of me not enjoying it then I wouldn't like them anymore. That all seems obvious, so way to go pointing that out to the world. If you don't like the game so much then fuck off.
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>>166670898
>Hasn't affected our game
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>>166671990
Nice vague post anon, you should shove up your loose asshole
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>>166672041
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>>166672163
Ah, it's a metaphor for you avoiding conflict and discussion by hiding. Just how you do with your parents, and the reason why you'll never find someone who can love you.
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>>166672041
I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. If you're that blind that you can't see it then there is no hope for you. I wasn't going to change your opinion anyway.

The change from having separate hardcore/softcore leagues is a direct result of the console pandering.
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>>166672464
Pretty sure that happened because it was more feasible to work on expansion content at the same time as a league, but not multiple.

Also if you circumstantial evidence was overwhelming then you certainly haven't ever shared it.
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>tfw diablo 2 is still the only hope for the genre
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>>166674591
d2 was shit desu
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I just got tabula from fairgraves normal

I'm only a month too late for this to be relevant and a big deal
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>>166674776
>the game you're playing wouldn't exist if not for diablo 2, yet it's shit
why are you here
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d2 is garbage compared to what poe is today

source: played d2 for nearly a decade
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diablo 2 shits all over poe in every way, shape and form

only reason it's not more popular is casuals
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d2 is a casualized rogue game
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being able to freely move isn't casualization, autist
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Only autists played d2, and now PoE is popular all the cool mainstream people are starting to play
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d2 wasn't ruined by casuals like poe and casuals played d2 all the same
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d2 became full casual and that's what killed it
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reddit ruined poe
steam ruined poe
xbone ruined poe
asia ruined poe
sjws ruined poe

diablo 2 has none of these issues, play it offline, play classic, play how you want
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>"people" feeling like big boys because they played a casualized rogue meant for people too dumb to play proper games
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>>166676782
so you're saying d2 was shit to begin with?
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>pen and paper autists mad about graphics
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>>166676919
t. cancer
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>>166677061
t. bagged like a cuck
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>>166676782
yeah, d2 had e-bay and jsp and they were fucking rampant
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>>166677292
>says the guy paying for his unwanted xbone child

>>166677495
play offline
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>>166677829
>play offline
>with the same droprates that necessatated the """""""""""economy"""""""""" and cucked some faggots so hard they bought items from botters with real money
Yeah that'll fix it
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can people unironically cope with d2's forced 25fps these days?

feels dated as fuck
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>>166678135
there's a giant community responsible for many of the popular diablo 2 builds that exist today who say otherwise

only casual shitters think that. i bet your only exp with d2 is hammerdin and being carried
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>>166678214
this topic goes way over the heads of the plebs here

you only have 25 fps but no extra latency when configured properly

none of these retards have a low persistence display nor any clue how any of that works
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how do I level with a Templar? don't say pizza totems self cast only pls
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>>166679343

if you dont have the brain capacity to figure out an effective leveling skill combination, poe isnt for you
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>>166677829
I'm so glab about the xbox release announcement, I actually went and purchased more supporter packs
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>>166679489
good I didn't want to play this eye-sore of a game anyway
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wings of entropy CI lacerate pathfinder
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>remove cruel difficulty
>but leave lab in the game
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>>166679781
always wondered what the inside of the mind of a stockholm syndrome sufferer was like
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>>166680437
>have to do chores to get your ascendancy points
>have to grind masters
>have to grind skillgems and then grind them again if you want to use the quality recipe
Can't they just let people do their traditional item and xp grinding in peace instead of all this shit
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New player, does map tier affect the quality and rarity of loot?
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it affects the quality of the loot but don't confuse it with whetstone and armourscrap quality. It means the loot will be better or have the chance to be better at higher tiers
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>>166682056
>>166681828
Cool thanks
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what if the xbone version is better than pc version like diablo 3
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In PoEHUD, what the fuck the horn from inception is supposed to signal ?
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it's calling you a cuck for needing a cheat for a player vs environment game
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pace yourselves, friends. you got over a month of this still.
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>>166660364
area damage double dips?
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>>166683508
Good, not everyone plays 18 hours a day.
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>>166683507
using CI + vaal pact feels more like a cheat than using poehud
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>>166680434
Why?
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>do anything without stun immunity
>die
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>>166683507
just remove the leaderboards and economy and you're right
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>have es 4 times higher than what life could be
>die
>
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>>166683739
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>>166683868
i have no idea why poors don't stack stun recovery / avoidance
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>>166683886
by that same logic hearthstone is a competitive. it has a ladder right?
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>>166685223
yes it's competitive but it's not a video game
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>>166685504
poe has div cards and it's also a rpg with more lore and lewd pics than the witcher
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all i'm saying is that it's technically walking simulator
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>>166686008
div cards aren't a card game
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>>166686183
but they're supposed to be. that and a donator money sink and stash tab distributor.
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>>166683560
if the skill has the area tag, yes, poison will inherit it
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>>166686276
>cards aren't a video game they're a currency
they're trying to tell us something
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>>166686008
witcher is just a vidya franchise here but for in yurop they have tv shows and movies and books

poe has a 4-issue comic series with very questionable writing
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>log in
>meme in global 1 for a few minutes
>log out
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2/3 of ladder gone and no one is buying my items. I guess only complete nerds play at this point of a ladder right?
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we're all playing diablo 2 and refreshing d2jsp
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im playing dungeon of the endless

its surprisingly decent
>>
imagine having never made a single good build in your life
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>>166631063
yeah i have 1hp and i do t12 lol
>>
if any """""good""""" build you made exploited double dippin or vb """""bugs""""""", it was never good to begin with
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>>166689089
> I guess only complete nerds play at this point of a ladder right?
I'm preparing myself for SSFHC
never going back to player interaction in 2.6
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beyond playing connect the dots it's just figuring optima pathing

some other autist already figured that out i'll just copy him

>i invented the build!

no you didn't ggg made the skill and knew exactly the path and items you'd take 99.9% of the time
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my build has no forum guide/youtube video/streamer popularization = it's my own build

it's not that I claim that I'm the only person to have ever thought about it, but I didn't copy it from anyone else
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kinda wanna start theorycrafting my ssf hc builds but without knowing for sure dubdip is gone and the filler league gimmicks it feels there is no point
>>
what skill does your build use? someone else already made a better build around it.
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if i made a shit build then i can be almost sure i came up with it first, therefore it's my build
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>character that kills fast and has 0 problem with argus
>want to carry uber labs for money
>suck at traps
>cant imagine the embarrassment of dying to traps while carrying people

this sucks
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it's literally impossible to die to traps if you're not lagging and have one charge of quicksilver or basalt
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>>166690987
>if you're not lagging
well yeah
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I hate the concept of traversal nodes. I want to be getting juicy damage or defense nodes every level. Remove traversal nodes now.
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i meant dying to traps in pvp
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>>166690451
yeah, come play Avorion
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>>166691547

looks interesting but >early access
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>>166691458
is masturbating gay? you're having sexual dealings with same sex, after all....
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>>166690987
I always lag in big parties, even on a good rig
>>
patch lads
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youre althon64 dual core "rig" is hardly good
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>>166691713
you busy?
>>166691962
>is masturbating gay?
>>166691986
>I always lag in big parties, even on a good rig
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Whoa.....
So this.........
Is the true......
Power....
Of.....
REDDIT!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=Wxk6UKJeJBw
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fucking millenials and their memes
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>>166694219
Real link inside
https://youtu.be/WWUjZOmvomc
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>all these offers of half chaos half ex on every item listed for chaos

fuck off with your useless price manipulated currency already faggots
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>>166694219
wew lad thats some hot garbage
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>open passive tree
>fps drops to 1
>alt+f4 will not close the client
>log back in standard

:ok_hand:.
:ok_hand:
:ok_hand:
:ok_hand:
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>high noon overwatch meme
>harambe meme
>le epic jojo reference
>multiple rage faces
>master race meme

I threw up
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>>166694467
HARD KEKS BTFO
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>>166665167
>one is inept one isn't
which one is what?
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>you will encounter powerful twinned monsters
Oh, nice.
>first rare (+clone) I encounter has "other allies cannot die"
Okay, that was pretty good.
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Not even as bad as a pack of brood mothers with necrovigil.
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>>166694852
i'll let you decide.
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>>166694467
that skill pt prolly wasnt that important
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Just sold my carcass jack that was my first ever 6L that I linked myself and was so proud of

I know its silly to get attached to items but I feel kinda sad now. I don't plan on playing that character again and I need the money for other chars but it still sorta feels like I should've kept it as a memento
>>
who here likes to go fast
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>tfw no packs around so I think it's okay to shitpost for a second and devourers come up and kill me
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I consider players with sub 100 ms to be subhumans
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>being so poor you have to sell shit from other characters
I have probably 15ex worth of stuff on chars I'm not even using
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That new SSF format should have it's own benefits, like better droprates and being able to play offline.
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>>166695712
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SSF better fucking let you buy all the gems on every class.
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>>166695945
>I want the more challenging game mode to be less challenging with improved D3 drop rates
ok
trade league is for shitters like you
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>>166696013
didn't chris say they're doing that
>>
They should have another league that's solo or group found, not just solo. This is one of the few things D3 got right.
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>tfw playing with a support that doesn't even support me
>>
Speaking of supports, aurabots in particular
Would you rather have the extra damage and shit from necromancer or extra ES from guardian.
Let's say 12 auras but only 2 curses
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>supports in 2017

HC SSF or f*ck off
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>>166696920
It depends desu. Most guardians can run 3 curses + damage usually isn't a problem and survivability is awesome
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>not being a SSFHC low-life support necromancer
don't need a carry when you have summons and totems
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>>166696920
Guardian for sure. Damage is easy to come by.
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>>166697143
I like how in D3 they rank you according to group or solo clears on leaderboards. It's superior to PoE.
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>supporting when there's like only 2 defensive curses
>playing summoner when enemy aggro is random and you might get hit by random shit like vaal laser when the boss randomly switches targets between every shot or just targets you from the other side of the screen while being gangbanged by zombies
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>this d3 shill itt

LMOA
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I guess you never heard of commander of darkness, scrub
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>>166697562
hey, no bully, remember he has nowhere to go
>>
D3's way of organizing leaders is superior to PoE

You mad poetard?
>>
Li-Ming is hot
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>shitty devoto's devotion sells for 1c
>shitty devoto's with 40% explosive arrow damage sells for 200c

did i luck out by getting this first try?
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>>166694996
quite a conundrum
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>announce SSF league
>announce stash tab sale
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>>166698596
why else would it happen be lucky your game doesnt crash cos the xbox deal you freloading player who doesnt even deserve free mtx
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Is there a cool build where I have to press more than 1 button to kill stuff? I don't know how everyone doesn't get tired of faceroll builds of spamming the same skill over and over
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>>166699537
no, not a cool one
>>
I prefer pressing more than one button because the cooldown timer dictates I must
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>>166699537
sure, that's basically the premise of EE
>>
>>166699537
Summoners tend to press all the buttons.
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>>166699537
dude you can press spark and vaal spark if you want
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>used to level listening to touhou doujin music
>decided to pick something different
>decided to listen to school aidoru music this time
>leveling went smooth and I even beat my PB

I highly recommend /poeg/. If you're still listening to touhou doujin music you're at least 2 expansions behind.
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>>166700209
It's all the same fucking generic weeb music to me, I'll only listen to anime music if the anime itself made an effort to set itself apart from the others
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv13gl0a-FA
the ONLY acceptable anime track to level with
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>>166700780
>level
glhfss
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>>166700780
>anime
>acceptable

wrong again, turdbird
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Buy skyforth boots or make a new build
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>>166701257
Buy skyforth for a new build
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>>166701179
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>>166701179
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>even best korea recognizes the degeneracy of anime and commissions their propaganda cartoons in western style
>>
>/poeg/ in 30 years
>>
that its pretty much me already
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smfh
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>>166704153
hope it wasn't your last portal
>>
wake me up inside
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>>166704153
>res at checkpoint

sh*tbird get OUT
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>>166704262
it was
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>>166704450
why didnt you have a culling strike attack

why do you have vinktars on bv?
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>>166704450
I hope you're a new player, otherwise I don't feel bad for you
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what are some good poe streamers to watch?

informative/interesting etc
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>>166704494
>why do you have vinktars on bv?
retarded or just new?
>>166704519
hegemony
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>>166704153
THIS
IS
WHY
YOU
CULL
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>>166704596
yes

bv is phys and he has vuln so he's obviously using poison
i don't know why he'd use vinktars
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shitbird tactics:

>undergear/underlevel everything
>die a lot because unskilled
>use up all portals
>rely on culling to down bosses because they don't bother to learn mechanics
>suck bad in general
>complain on lebbit and beg for nerfs
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catshitter tactics:

>buy boss kills
>brag about challenges being too easy
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logoutcore tactics:

>overgear/overlevel everything
>logout a lot because you cant own up to dying
>use up all portals
>don't do bosses because you just run strand all day
>suck bad in general
>complain on /poeg/ and beg for attention
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>>166703701
I will have killed myself before 30 years have passed m8.
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Anyone legit like the stash bundle? thinking about picking it up, but i have about 14 tabs.

let me know if you think the value is there.
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>>166705089
you won't

but you will have wished you either did or had actually done something with your're life

because you just ran away from everything with the same old excuse "i'll just kill myself"
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all those years grinding pixels in path of exile
were they all for nothing?
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>>166703701
me on the left
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>>166705143
shill

fuck off

eat shit
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SSF tactics:

>beg for increased droprate of everything
>moan a lot because no one thinks you're amazing for playing "the hardest mode"
>use up all portals
>don't do bosses because you're still stuck doing tier 4 maps
>suck bad in general
>complain in general discussion and beg for free drops
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Someone in my friend list killed Shaper SSF. HC.
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>>166705317
actual SSF tactics:

>use every bit of currency you have crafting upgrades
>don't save anything that you won't be using
>use vendor recipes
>git gud
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>use every bit of currency you have crafting upgrades
>never get any good ES gear
>waste unfathomable time doing chaos recipe
>cry
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>>166705263
>shill
Disposable income is shilling now?
>fuck off
Fuck on
>eat shit
I'm already playing PoE
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>>166700356
I hope this is bait
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>>166705192
Yeah your're right
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i dont really hate life; it's pretty alright some of the time

but i always hate existence. too much.
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i hate you
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tfw your shit build can't even complete esh breachstone
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uul = boy
xoph=boy
tul = girl
chayula = girl
esh= trap
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>Uul-Netol's Embrace
>At last she holds us,
>and so we turn to dust.

poetards????
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i want to embrace uul
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Diablo 2:
>enjoyable from start to finish
PoE:
>everything before Maps is deplorable

Now do you understand why you're retarded?
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>>166706769
she means "Death"
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Now I know that this can happen, glad I found out on this test character and not one I care about.
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>cow runs and baal runs were enjoyable
poe's equivalent would be running dried lake a million times or doing elreon rotations a million times with a blade vortex paladin bot in near the relic
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>>166706909
looks like you logged out like a bitch pre-discharge then ran into again, ignoring your grace timer

well-deserved death
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>>166706909
that's what you get for logging out, dumb hardcuck
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>>166706868
>Diablo 2:
>>enjoyable from start to finish

explain act 3 then
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>>166707105
I logged out mainly to get flasks, but yeah.
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>>166706991
but baal runs were comfy as fuck where you chill in one spot as a party
>>166707172
Do you mean act 2?
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>>166706991
The game ends when you beat baal. If you mean t he end game you're purely delusional.
>anni farming
>torch farming
>forge rushing
>mfing
>pking
Baal leveling is only one aspect of end game. Tho I find it funny you only focus on end game when there's far more to making a game good than that. Diablo 2 end game is way better than PoE either way.

>>166707172
Act 3 is possibly my favorite place
>making a gf barb to get rich as fuck running council with
>mad high runes from glitched superchest
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>>166707553
>but Elreon rotations are comfy as fuck where you chill in one spot as a party

seriously, you have no idea how retarded you sound
if that's your idea of end game, then why did you even start playing poe?
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>>166707589
>anni farming
not really "farming" since it was a pseudo-random event that was mainly triggered by sojs hoarders, also had to rely on 3rd party websites to keep track of sojs count, nice """"""gameplay""""""

>torch farming
garbage end-game content gated behind a selective few builds, farming keys was also obnoxiously grindy/non-fun, kinda similar to (uber) atziri before they introduced the sac fragment card and fragments dropping from corrupted bosses so you could actually have access to the alternate end game without grinding shit tier areas in story mode for vaal areas

also 6/7th chance of getting a torch that wasn't even beneficial to your class, if you like those odds, play poe

>forge rushing
where's the fun in that? you can sell lab or boss kills in poe too, rushing people is dull and the complete opposite of fun, making currency != game being enjoyable by itself

>mfing
same can be done in poe, not seeing your point, the issue with mfing in d2 was that the most sought after items (runewords) were not obtainable any easier with a dedicated mf character

>pking
I'm not 12 anymore, thanks
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UUUUUUUUUUUUUHMMMM

THIS IS THE POE GENERAL???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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we're talking about poe
specifically how it's better than d2 in most regards
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this is pretty fun
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>>166708316
it sounds like you just fucking sucked at end game

there's no equivalent to rushing forges in poe because the item game in poe is lame. forge rushes was one of the best ways to get a jump start on collecting high runes to craft runewords with.

"diablo walks the earth" i still am giddy when this happens because anni's are baller as fuck.

torches are one of the most rewarding game mechanics of all time. it used to also be the fastest way to level up.

and no mfing can't be done in poe because the game is designed entirely around map clear speed

pking was awesome even if you never participated in it because it made the item trade game vastly superior to poe's.

and again, this is just end game where not onlg is diablo 2 way better than poe in every way but everything leading up to it.

everything before maps in poe is dogshit and may as well no exist.
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>>166708981
nice arguments
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ultima online >>>>>>>>> d2
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>>166709367
Aye I remember reading about that game in gamepro about pking lord ultima and it was the coolest thing I read in my life. I was a poor kid playin my Diablos jelly as fuck over rich kids whose parents paid for them to subscribe to ultima. It also made me think subs are cancer. Never did play ultima.
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>>166709664
there where free pservers as early as 2001 iirc

few of them arguably better than the official ones because they lifted the concurrent player capacity
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More like "Path of packs dieing at you aggresively"

When even D3 has more challenging content you know you've fucked up
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>>166709886
go to bed PT

your kind arent welcome around these parts
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>>166709886
>D3 has more challenging content
like what?
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>>166709767
I quit playing video games sometime around then and seldom came back until years later
Had no clue that pservers existed back then either
My main games were diablo, tribes and quake 2, 3
I really couldn't get into diablo 2 first time i played it like diablo. I just remember running in a field and thinking "this sucks but it probably gets better later" and i never played it again until 8 years later and it became possibly my favorite of all time
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>>166709987
Literally any boss is more mechanical in d3. POE you can just overpower everything with power creep ignoring mechanics
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>>166704758
What's worse is that it doesn't look like he has any way of removing the self-shock. Unless he was using his mana flask for that which means he doesn't have a staunching.
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>>166710185
lack of instapotions and leech is behind most of the engagement ""depth" in d3

other than that its mostly the same
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>>166710185
d3 has literal resurrect on damage taken mechanics
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>>166710185
eh...it's just hp sponges. tank and spank. i prefer poe in this regard.
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>>166710325
the way big hp, big damage, and big leech all work together is really what kills depth in PoE

skill?
placement?
boss mechanics?
lmao just stand still facetank and outleech
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>>166710669

GGG could fix all of that making fights more like atiziri's and fixing VP.
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>>166710669
There's actually a fair mount of dodging in PoE. That's something Diablo 3 is specifically designed against doing. And you can't much with unavoidable damage everywhere you go. You simply have to tank everything. Only dodging you do are dumb telegraphed attacks.
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>Another league before 3.0
>Another league without the Auction House
just end it
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>>166710924

you can dodge plenty in d3, projectiles are generally slower so you can get out range with your movement skill. poe is a bullet hell in comparison since map mods can augment projectiles in ridiculous ways.

and even tanking isnt that bad when you have to do it, the game is good about telling you what kinds of damage source you can take for a while and what you need to absolutely avoid (telegraphed shit)
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Would Lowlife crit inquisitor be better than Lowlife non crit elemenalist? I'm using Call of the brotherhood ring btw
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only reason go to ele is for prolif
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>>166711241
>you can dodge plenty in d3
bahahahaha right maybe in your lowbie grifts
it's 99% tank or get 1-shot

> projectiles are generally slower so you can get out range with your movement skill
anything you can effectively dodge is laughable. your movement skill is on cooldown so you can't rely on dodging as much more than a damage reduction

>and even tanking isnt that bad when you have to do it
that's all you do. you tank or have a skill that tanks for you.
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>>166710892
They also fuck over vaal skills.
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>have fun for 1 month
>nothing to do for 2 months
>repeat
i hate my life
wish i had other games besides poe to play
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Alright thanks a lot
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>>166711640
you can chose to play in a way that you have to tank 99% of the shit, but its the same in poe: if you wanna go fast you are not gonna spend time actively dodging anything but telegraphed one shots and volatiles
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bored of my shitwave totem build
is DD any fun

trying to try as many build as possible before 2.6 hits
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>>166711842
>you can chose to play in a way that you have to tank 99% of the shit
no you have no choice about this. the gameplay mechanics work by giving you a handful of skills+passives and a pot on cooldown that essentially tanks the damage for you while health orbs spawn to keep your health topped off. it's designed in such a way that if you can't clear the mob pack or keep your hp up between mob packs while waiting for your cooldowns to comeback and health orbs to spawn, you die. it's even worse in group play where you're you absolutely must have specifix group composition to tank higher grifts.

this isn't even a point of contention. the developers flat out said "dodging isn't fun" and essentially removed it from diablo 3
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>>166712135

nope. the only reason why you are forced to tank shit sometimes is to keep your timer down. or maybe if you run with a shit group that can kill anything

managing cooldowns and your healing sources is more engaging than poe's "leech until you are dead" strategy anyway.

i really dont give a fuck about what some dev said in 2013. i still play the game and if you build to be mobile, dodging is a thing
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>>166712495
>i still play the game and if you build to be mobile, dodging is a thing
the game has what we used to call "snapshotting" in poe, meaning it technically imposes unavoidable damage on you, regardless of your "dodging"
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>>166712495
>managing cooldowns and your healing source
You ain't managing shiiit you little dumb fuck. The whole game is an utterly simple equation. You can either outdps the mob pack with your cool downs and health orbs to keep you afloat long enough to do so or you die. Same in groups only now you'vre relying on additional group buffs. It's literally WoW dumbed down without tab targeting.
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>>166712664
you dont play d3, stop pretending you do. some things are unavoidable but most things arent

>>166712667
you lack reading comprehension. the dev is talking about being unable to simply ignore all damage by kiting/zipping past most on ultra mobility builds (something that you can do in poe), not about dodging being nonfunctional
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>poe's "leech until you are dead" strategy
>simply ignore all damage by kiting/zipping past most on ultra mobility builds (something that you can do in poe)
?????????????????????????????????
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>>166712849
Not only have I played D3 at a high level in grifts, anyone can watch a stream of high level grift play and confirm everything posted. High level grift play is literally rerolling grift layouts to get mob packs that don't do as much unavoidable damage as others and don't have a biilion hp. The only "dodge" you do is either a comical and seldom telegraphed attack or a short duration invincible button movement skill on a cooldown.
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>>166712975
>speedrunning is bad
it's better than mob hp sponges, cooldown timers and unavoidable damage. could be better but that aspect of poe takes a fat crap on d3
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>used like 50 red sextant
>still no nemesis
kill me
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>>166712975

ultra mobility builds in poe are not the best boss killers (except for uber izaro) but they have their niche (currency farming). hope i dont have to explain you how not all forms of endgame are equally dangerous for your char

>>166713140

given the short duration of a grift, dodging shit even a handful of times per key is perfectly normal and and preciously what im talking about. dunno why this triggers you so
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why does this happen
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>>166713616
its an exploit

report it asap
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>>166713536
>dodging shit even a handful of times
you aren't dodging shit you fucking retard. you're standing their hoping your dps clears the pack before you run ou7 of cooldowns. it's literally tank and spank mechanics. there's literally no benefit dodging wise to even moving out of the way because your so called dodge is just granting invulnerability or blocking you from taking damage. you're ENTIRELY dependant on your gear.
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The gameplay of PoE is shit right now don't kid yourselves


You play a meta clear speed build and ignore 99% of mechanics in the game, you kill everything on the screen without thinking and you only worry about reflect and volatiles.

Your build can kill guardians in under 2 minutes in one flask rotation.

Don't fucking lie. Even my 5 link full tank EQ build with 25k tooltip DPS ignores absolutely everything because it kills anything that comes into the screen instantly.
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the existence of meta builds that can ignore boss mechanics overshadows the existence of the latter, which doesn't mean they're erased from the game

don't play a meta leech build and you'll have to dodge shit, simple
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>>166713756

i repeat, only when you are running head on into screen entirely full of crap that is true, which is most of the grift gameplay sure. but it doesnt mean dodging isn a thing you can benefit from, specially vs bosses
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>>166713960
You don't need leech because everything dies before it hits you anyway

You don't need anything but DPS for shaper and you can ignore most u-atziri mechanics by simply having enough dps a flameblast doesn't even go off once

The game is far too easy with ascendancies
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>Necrovigil
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>>166714186
if you didnt play bloodlines you missed all the autistical screeching when it was was common to find 5+ necrovigils packs per map along a few other """"unfun""" bloodline mods
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>>166714071
No this is essentially the entirety of high level grift play. You're either geared enough to clear the packs before you get one shot or you get one shot. A lot.
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i wonder what happened internally at GGG that made them suddenly shift from wanting poe to be as hard as possible to wanting it to be as casual as possible

and don't say money, that's the easy answer
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>>166714451
Xbox
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>>166714451
Maybe they want to make a game that most people can have fun playing instead of a bunch of neet autists
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Are these weighted or should I just go for what has the most possibilities for my last one?
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>>166714451

i think thats just the normal cycle of online game development. like, every online game ive played had a "peak" at some point, then it declined always becoming much more casual and easier, with a degree of p2w

happened to:

ragnarok online
requiem: memento mori (after it went f2p)
forsaken world
PoE
D3 (minus p2w, it was p2p already)

oddly didnt happen to warframe; it was always casual, and actually got less p2w
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>>166714768
corrupt different base types
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>>166714451
They want to keep growing and there is only so much you can do with a niche audience.
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>>166714451
What I really wonder is why they want an xbone version of their game? I just can't see that being a good avenue to go down unless they think they really hit a home run with it? Diablo and Diablo 3 are both breddy gud on a controller which makes me think PoE might be. I really wanna see how the hell inventory and tree management isn't clunky as fuck. D3 got around this by having a simplistic skill system to begin with an then just turning the inventorg into a pretty scroll list.
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welp, playing a pathfinder has literally ruined me for other characters

I cannot deal with the slowness and I used a flask macro for so long that manually doing flasks now is weird and tedious

jesus fuck its slow
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>>166714916
Yeah it was just luck most of them were crimson. I just wanted to know if the others are weighted so it might be better to go viridian over cobalt, etc
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>>166713797
So play offmeta
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How do I read damage values on poedb?
It says shaper has 200% damage, and that ShaperProjectile does 5639-8458 cold damage. Does the 5639-8458 already factor in the 200%?
It's hard to tell how much damage they actually do since they hit one after another.
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>>166715167
I know that feel.
My LL BV pathfinder could just facetank all the guardians and shaper so I never learned how to actually do the fights properly.
Adjusting to it with an abyssus character is hard.
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>>166716323
>Does the 5639-8458 already factor in the 200%?
No.
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>>166715368
I can't force myself to play a shit build on purpose when I could just play one that works

Makes no sense, the game is just easy. Purposely making a shit build that doesn't work to make the game harder is literally nonsensical
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>>166717558
many builds "that work" are abusing mechanics that GGG has yet to balance but have acknowledged as broken

it's like being proud of using a cheat code, you didn't outsmart or outskill the game, you just copypasted a one-button press to victory, how is that rewarding in any sense
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>>166717710

thats the most retarded, self-deceptive and delusional way of thinking possible

not even that guy, but there is one objectively correct way to play ARPGS, which consist in building so that you can kill as many shit as possible without dying. and in poe that is possible utilizing well documented, widely known mechanics that simply render the content a joke. if the gameplay stops being rewarding when you play the game THE WAY YOU ARE MEANT TO, ITS A HUGE PROBLEM

anything else is RPing, or a self-imposed challenge to amuse yourself, but saying that the game has something to offer past that point is an extremely delusional way of thinking
>>
>implying GGG knows what they're doing
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>>166717710
>5 link earthquake

There's nothing broken about it, it's one of the most basic and simple skills in the game with no double dipping, not even min/maxed or anything and yet you can absolutely ignore all mods except reflect and volatile, nothing else even matters.

Rogue exiles die in 1 aoe splash
Rares die in 1 aoe splash
Bosses die in a few seconds before they even do anything

Weakest build I've ever played too, still far too high damage to even consider any enemy a threat.
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>>166718014
I'm not saying you have to intentionally gimp yourself for the sake of it, I'm saying some builds that are "meta" are simply exploiting what basically boils down to a BUG, you know, like BV's 5 million % more damage applying to poison before it was fixed (and it's still bugged, bravo GGG), it's not that different from playing the game with a cheat code since you're running numbers that are WAY off what they were intended to be

tl;dr: it's not about using Elemental Hit you dense motherfucker, it's about not using skills and mechanics that are literally, factually, objectively BROKEN
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>>166718184
The point is you don't have to use broken skills to completely faceroll all content


What aren't you getting here? You trivialize everything with basic low budget builds with no abuse of mechanics these days
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>>166718184

>BV's bug

the MORE """"""""""""""""""""""bug""""""""""""""""" was mechanically working EXACTLY as the wording of the skill implied. i dont buy for a second that it was a bug, it was a fucking oversight because they have a SHIT TESTING DEPARTMENT. SHIT.

And im not even talking about the still broken VB, but about the many other builds that are fully legit and still trivialize content. And if those builds utilize broken mechanics, that isnt the player's fault. We are supposed to seek out and identify good, effective ways to build in these kinds of games. We are not supposed to shy away from "too good" combinations unless they are an outright exploit or blatant unambiguous bug.
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the fact that bv has been nerfed or fixed 4 times and is still a broken T1 skill is amazing
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someone needs to update this for "ssf hc" vs everything else
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>another stash tab sale week-end
goyim pls halp poor indy devs
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https://clips.twitch
.tv/alkaizerx/DoubtfulSalmonUncleNox

>life builds
>>
not gonna click that malware
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>>166720286
This fucking vomit of particle effects needs to go. How are people supposed to be able to distinguish between lightning covered critters littering the ground and patches of shocked ground spawned by rares ? Then comes the matter of finding the shocked debuff when the bar spreads over the entire screen to see if it came from a crit or from shocked ground.

Even then
>7.8k life
>still get shocked for 2s
I guess going CI with 100% uptime status immunity flasks really is the way to go.
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>>166714186
It's just an unfun mechanic imo when most decent builds have a good clear speed and then you get trash that you gotta get out of the 7 or more decently sized circles.
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after like 60 vaal orbs I finally corrupted my 10th jewel
baka
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As a new player, started this league, what's the deal with those poe streamers/youtubers killing bossea in just a few hits. Obviously I can't make a build for shit because I've got zero experience but killing chimera, phoenix so fast if theyre not resistant/immune to their type of damage seems insane.
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>>166720959
When you have unlimited $ it isn't hard to make crazy strong builds
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>>166720959
double dipping mechanics mostly, a few may be exploiting the vb bug
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>>166720959
Most of them are in softcore where boss killing is a bigger thing than in hardcore. It also helps that they have almost unlimited budged for every build.
>>
imagine alkaizer with a haircut
>>
anyone likes wearing high heels just for fun
>>
I wish I were a girl
>>
this is relevant to poe, how?
>>
I meant I wish I were a girl duelist
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>>166721689
he'd be right up there with mathil
>>
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2017/01/26/Fecal-transplant-reduces-autism-symptoms-in-children-in-small-study/6951485488511/

is this a cure for hc players?

sanity may be a scoop of poop away...
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How much would you sell this per run?
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>>166720286
you'd think a player like alkaizer would have seen enough esh breaches to know you shouldn't facetank those rares when you can't even see the fucking op lightning balls underneath all that clutter
>>
dunno but I'm like 50+ red sextants in with no nemesis. Just look at trade 820
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>>166722386
i sold my three pops for 10-15c per portal
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>>166722386
>hue
>>
If there was a unique melee weapon that counted as all weapon types what trade offs would it need to be balanced
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>>166723028
it would have to be shit
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>>166723028
Sword base, no AS/flat phys mod.
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tfw playing with blasphemy enfeeble temp chains in a heretics veil with all the curse effect on the tree and a level 4 enhance

is there a comfier build?
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>>166722451
dunno what? You're not replying to anybody so your post is rendered useless.
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>>166723552
I'm running enfeeble/temp chains with just the passive tree and it's the comfyest I've felt in ages. Running circles around bosses, mobs can't even hit me.
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>wasting your (you)s
lmao
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>>166723654
>being so pathetic you have to create a meme about refusing to use the site's features to gimp yourself out of any actual discussion

Glad to know you admit to be here only to shitpost, you can leave now.
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I'm not gimping myself though. You're still replying to me
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>>166723981
Told you to leave, let the big boys do the talk now.
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Can I sustain a 5L stormcall from just mana regen on a build with 95% mana reserved or do I have to run warlords mark?
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plug in everything into path of building
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>some russian guy doesn't understand that he's in a different league than me and that I can't sell him the item he want
>expects me to speak his squat language and the only thing he says in english is fuck you
REMOVE
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>tfw million sac pieces but no midnight
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>>166725840
>run vaal areas
>obtain midnight

problem solved
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>run 20 vaal areas
>no midnight still
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>>166724843
why don't you fucking play the game and find out? It will depend on your gear and build.

why do people come up with all these retarded ass questions all the time and give no context. fuck....
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>>166726550
best part is that he doesn't specify:
- what the 5L (mana cost)
- whats his mana regen (tree, gear, etc.)
- whats is mana pool
- etc.
and by specifying that he would have the answer himself.
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Do flat physical damage bonuses get boosted by a weapon's %inc phys dmg or just the nodes from tree/gem boosts?
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>>166727867
>by a weapon's %inc phys dmg
this boost the weapon only
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>>166727960
So an added chaos damage gem won't boost significantly the chaos damage dealt by an edge of madness sword?
That seems weird considering that sword has a +% elemental damage per level despite not dealing a single point of elemental damage
Or am I misunderstanding something? Do those properties work differently?
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I have more fun planning the skill tree , gems & items than playing the actual game. fuck
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>>166728197
what? Buts thats not the same, that chaos/elemental damage increase is not on the base physical damage. You're talking about 2 things that are completely different here.

Its simple: when you see a weapon with (5) increase physical, thats for its how base physical damage.

If yo uhave a weapon that increase elemental damage by 25% for example, and run the wrath aura, then yes your lightning damage will increase.
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>>166728412
*Its simple: when you see a weapon with (%) increase physical, thats for its own base physical damage.
fixed, not sure what happened here, and not sure why a lot of new players dont understand this. Maybe they didnt paly other arpg where +%physical damage on a magical/rare/unqiue weapon is alays f
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>>166728473
>alays f
always about increasing its base stat. Anyways I'll stop replying my phone is clearly fucking up with the browser. gl
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>>166728549
Thanks, I'm not at home so couldn't test myself
Trying to come up with a build for that sword as it has some interesting, in my opinion, properties
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>>166728197
>>166728704
>Do those properties work differently?
Yes. There's local and global affixes. % increased physical damage on a weapon for example is a local modifier, so the mod won't affect the damage on an off-hand weapon when dual-wielding and won't increase physical damage added from other items like rings.
The increased elemental and chaos damage from edge of madness is probably global so it will be affected by added chaos damage on gear/gems.

>>166728473
>and not sure why a lot of new players dont understand this
That's because the game never tells you which affixes are local or global, or even that there's a difference.
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>>166729464
I should've figured it out it was global seeing as it said "per level"
That sort of counts as a condition I think
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>tfw I did my chayula breach for challenge
>0 drops
;_;
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allright how im gonna transition into CI but still be overcapped for ele weakness?
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You could try by getting resistance on your gear
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dead
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>when a scion spark character buys wrath from me
rlly makes me think
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>>166730586
ahahahahahahahaha
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>>166733664
rude
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>3 month leagues
>clearing all content 50 times over takes less then 2 weeks

hmm...
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What builds use red/green dream? I noticed they are double blue dream price
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>>166734137
alkaizer's blade flurry gladiator uses red dream
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>>166734484
i mean red nightmare
it's still the reason it's more expensive though
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>>166734575
weird I haven't seen anyone running around with that build and blue dream is used for spark if you are too poor to afford skyforth.
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>yeah, i can level 50 characters and get to and kill shaper with all of them in under 2 weeks. what, you can't?
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>tfw you gather 5000 chayula splinters in 2 weeks ez
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ded
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Is cold steel jewel phys to cold conversion worth it with herald of ice and added cold damage support?
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my client tries to install the latest patch and then it just crashes. what to do?
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>>166734858
didn't read
>>166735031
don't care
>>166736531
same
>>166737337
don't know
>>166738526
git gud
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>catshitter
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>>166738975
Am I the only one reporting that turdmuncher?
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>Helmannn playing private server WoW
>ProjectPT playing private server WoW
>Hegemony playing Hearthstone

midleague depression boys
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>>166718014
>not even that guy, but there is one objectively correct way to play ARPGS, which consist in building so that you can kill as many shit as possible without dying. and in poe that is possible utilizing well documented, widely known mechanics that simply render the content a joke. if the gameplay stops being rewarding when you play the game THE WAY YOU ARE MEANT TO, ITS A HUGE PROBLEM

That's not quite a truism for all ARPG's or rather dungeon crawlers like PoE. That depends on how the game is designed. The way PoE is designed is like that since it's designed around mapping and leveling fast meta. So fastest way to level -> fastest way to do it is maps -> fastest map clearer is best. Since mapping is the most efficient way to do everything eg the faster you clear maps -> the faster loot drops -> loot dropping faster equals more loot -> thus most powerful build loots fastest -> also levels fastest. And the best way to do all this is with broken meta builds in maps because of the simplistic itemization and there's no other compelling aspect of the game to play. pvp? lol nope. mfing? nope fast map clearer is more than dedicated mfing. run atziri or some other content? nope getting rich mapping is faster.

This is one of the reasons why Diablo 2 was so good and had so many builds. They didn't design the game around "end game". The fastest baal runner was by no means the best build for anything but running baal the fastest nor was running baal the fastest end game as the skill system was designed in such a way where most builds would be maxed out on the 80's and all other levels past that point were for some other goal in fact sometimes you'd flat out not want to level too much due to how crafting and gambling worked.
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>>166739367
tfw just bought legion

kak
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>another game ruined by 90's kid whose only game knowledge is muh WoW muh doter
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i fucking hate blizzard but i just gave them $50 for lelgion because at least i know it will be fun for a few weeks

meanwhile i've been playing poe for four years and haven't given GGG a cent

i bet chris is fuming
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maybe if they had spent less time listening to leddit casuals they'd have more time to fix the game instead of add more casual cancer
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wow is for people who can't use a mouse properly

nobody designs a targeting system like wow unless they don't mind assaulting a mouse users sense of aim
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WTB (You)s whisper with an offer
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>>166739549
mention one arpg that doesnt reward killing shit good with progress
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this game would be better if it were less popular i want to time travel to 3 years ago please
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>>166743414
You mean "name one game that doesn't fit my malformed nonsense question".

I just you the exact reason why a game suffers from the question you just asked so now I face a conundrum: continue to (You) an idiot who cleaely can't read for 'xx' more posts or ignore you.

I'll say it one last time so you can't miss it: clearspeed meta is purely a product of designing a game around end game. I blame WoW for this cancer game design. Diablo 2 was pre-WoW casual era and end game wasn't even a thing. Being able to kill Baal with ANY BUILD YOU COULD THEORYCRAFT was an end game to achieve matriarch/patriarch status, among many others. The act of receiving this status of killing baal explicitly blocks clear speed meta because the goal is beating the game and not how quickly you do it. There are also a niche group of Diablo 2 speedrunners who beat the game faster than anybody with builds that are sub optimal baal runners.
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next 6 decides which build i do next in bhc
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>>166743872
d1 was pre-wow and fully fits my criteria, as well as nox, and pretty much any other rpg from the late 90s/early 2000s

by thinking that its all because of WoW you just outed yourself as a postmillenial who believes blizzard invented gaming. go as your streamer bf if im right or wrong
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>>166744507
rpg's pre wow had literally fuck all to do with clearspeed meta you mentally dejected sack of flaming human waste. and no diablo doesn't in any way fit the criteria. there aren't even enough builds in that game to have competing clear speed meta. there's no leaderboard in it and no reward for killing diablo fastest. just stop posting you're completely fucking retarded and are shifting goal posts now. idgaf if some game had clear speed meta pre wow as no game pre wow was popular enough to infect the masses with its cancer design before it. hang yourself from a palm tree retard
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>>166744234
LL CWDT RF
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>>166745730

this is first time in my post chain that i have typed the term "clearspeed meta", because i was never talking about it

i talking about arpg core mechanics in the simplest of its form: not story progress like crpgs, but simply content-consuming progress until there is nothing else and then repetition. and how do you progress on arpgs? kill shit. kill shit better, progress faster

that all you can think is of ladders and "clearspeed meta" is because you are a complete retard who is oblivious to the core aspects of arpgs outside of what streamers tell you

i hope you are that GGG employee who posts here, it would confirm many of my ideas about that company
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>>166744234
elemental hit ascendant
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>>166747815
No you said specifically this,

>anything else is RPing, or a self-imposed challenge to amuse yourself, but saying that the game has something to offer past that point is an extremely delusional way of thinking

And this line of thinking is purely 100% from a game being designed around end game and thus needing to be fastest to get the items to get rich and be the world first. This is entirely a result of the game being designed to be played this way and a direct result of WoW autists.

Before WoW games were barely even considered online games. How many people even had internet access in the pre-Smartphone and pre-Broadband days? Dial up was less popular because you had to buy a second landline to use it or nobody could make phone calls or play games online without interrupting each other.

Games back then were designed to be beaten. Not who does it fastest. That's where the entire concept of game+ comes from. "i beat the game now what" "beat it again only harder". What you call imposing a challenge on yourself is literally trying to clear faster or use a build that clears faster. No point in it when the only game design was to simply beat the game you dumb fucking shit eater.
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>>166748360
no u
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>anime avatar posting as a cuck
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>>166748784

holy shit

i was fucking around you being a postmillenial but you really are one. both UO and RO predate WoW by years, and RO had had 5 million players worldwide by the time of WoW release. Everyfucking body middle class or so had internet by the early 2000s in some way or form and this coming from someone living on a 3rd world country where we didnt get broadband until 1998. Fuck i must have spend 5 hours a day playing Age of Empires on microsoft battlezone or whatever it was called BEFORE the year 2k.

And even before that, the mindset of beating a game, but doing it faster and without mistakes was born our of the low availability of games, when we tried to amuse ourselves with what we had.

You have fucking game++ modes since the NES days, via passwords revealed when you beat it in "normal". They knew people would want to replay them for whatever reason and with an added challenge.

Stop replying to me you fucking 12 year old retard.
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>>166751280
>And even before that, the mindset of beating a game, but doing it faster and without mistakes was born our of the low availability of games

This part:

Beating without mistakes? Yes. They made games this way through GAME DESIGN you dense piece of shit. It's called the concept of "lives" and "difficulty".

But this part:

>fastet

A resounding no. The way a game would be _DESIGNED_ back then if the goal was to beat it faster, would be in the form of timed levels. Faster is an addition by you with no basis in reality whatsoever. Timed levels were certainly a thing but if they wanted the design of the game to be a time competition they'd make the whole game timered.

Games like WoW and PoE were intentionally designed to make clear speed numero uno through various design decisions: online only, leaderboards, being forced to run content repeatedly to get drops to obtain end game sets, maps, etc.

Again, games back then, online was tacked on afterthought if it existed at all. Games like Diablo 2 were designed to give players multiple ways and harder ways to beat the game. They didn't give you any titles or achievements for doing it faster; beating the game itself, by design, was an achievement rewarded with pat/mat title.

>us oldfags amirite

yes you're old but retarded
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>>166752015

>unless there is achievement it doesnt count
>unless a game is designed to be played in x way, x way is impossible

retarded xbox cancer please leave
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>>166752375
No that's literally the point of the person I'm responding to and not me. They say you're just making it harder on yourself or RP'ing if not playing it from a design standpoint. And I'm saying PoE is designed this way intentionally.

learn to read stupid
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Why is the worth of exalts rising?
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>>166752849
price manipulation

buy all items -> raise price -> sell for twice it's worth -> buy cheap as fuck -> sell for twice it's worth again

infinite money
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>>166752849
you play in an inferior league without a currency drain
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>>166751280
>Everyfucking body middle class or so had internet by the early 2000s in some way or form

And this? AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHH fuck you're stupid. The normies that grew up in the WoW era enjoyed a time period when broadband penetration began to rise and dial up fall. Games developed in the Diablo era you can almost certainly be sure gave no thought to online play until long after they were developed. See here and notice the upward slop of dial up peak at 40%, this came AFTER the release of Diablo 2. They don't chart the data here but homes with internet access in the late 90's was in the 20% range. Internet access is almost ubiquitous these days. I had over a hundred friends back then and three of them had internet, myself included and the stats back that up.
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>>166754206
And of course LAN games were another story. Their online component was usually totally separate from the single player and meant for 1v1 or tdm type play like quake or sc.
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>>166752849
guilds hoarded exalts early on and then they dumped them a few weeks ago and now they're going back up to normal
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>>166754206
Here's another chart to confirm. If you lived in america, 30% of homes had any form of internet by 1998. Diablo 2 was released in 2000. Diablo 2 development began prior to widespread internet access in america, much less the rest of the world with under half the homes having access, many of those were america online not to mention, which was basically shit for online games.
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>>166754206
>I had over a hundred friends back then
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>>166755415
By friends I simply mean I knew what at least hundred different people had computer and internet connection wise. Many of them were just people my parents knew in homes I visited.
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>>166755663
i was the only one with high speed internet in the early 00s

most people had dialup or that webtv shit
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>>166755152
>>166755663
>>166754206

i did say "middle class"

which is a segment of the population always less than the 50%, and depending on your country, as small as 15%. probably i should have said "upper middle class"?

maybe. but my point stands. we had mmos since the late 90s. that you postmillenials believe nothing existed pre-2004 is on you

its laughable you kids think "online component of games was an afterthought" when we played every day on battlezone and grinded asian mmos exactly we do now
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I need advices on what is cheaper to craft. I want to craft a +2/+1 bow with 1.5 base attack speed and 4 off colors. Nobody is selling a 6L ilvl 64+ short bow. Should i do it myself with 1500 fuses or having 4 off colors on a 6L grove bow isn't that hard?
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>>166756420
> i did say "middle class"
that's an even smaller number then, driving you further from your point, because those 20-30% in the mid-late 90's was a mix of income brackets. and of that number, a much, much, MUCH smaller number played online games or had a machine capable of it or any clue how to.

>we had mmos since the late 90s
=/= anything close to WoW nor comparable nor were they designed anything like it and you constantly read posts about how different WoW is from old school MMO's so shutup retard

> "online component of games was an afterthought"
it absolutely was. games like uo and eq are exceptions. most multiplayer games werw designed first and foremost for LAN and designed separately from the main game in its own "multiplayer" mode with its own special maps. bnet was literally tacked on by a whole different dev studio you dumb fuck
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>>166756907
all you needed to play most games back then was a pentium 2 or athlon 64 or equivalent (yes we had a low/mid end option of VIA x86 desktop cpus back then). video card didnt matter much, very few people had vodooshit and most games didnt fully support it anyway.

this was expensive but im going to guess well within murrica's middle class budget since the dolar was worth 7 of my currency units and we had a couple pcs of them. buying was a luxury in the same sense taking vacation overseas was = not a big fucking deal if you save

And that you think WoW is the end-all and be-all of mmos is because you never played proper "old school" mmos without tab targeting. LAN was a thing of the mid 90s and late 80s, fuck anyone who lived back then would remember that LAN gaming started to wane when lan emulators became a thing because that same people who lan parties would have internet access if not at home, at your faculty

like i said, stop replying to me you fucking kids.
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>>166758514
>athlon 64

maybe that wasnt it. but it was an athlon cpu. 3dnow! i think
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>>166758514
>all you needed to play most games back then was a pentium 2 or athlon 64 or equivalent (yes we had a low/mid end option of VIA x86 desktop cpus back then). video card didnt matter much, very few people had vodooshit and most games didnt fully support it anyway.

Very good, retard. But you're forgeting only one thing, which happens to be the most important: HARD DRIVE SPACE. Shit was both expensive and extremely limited in the 90's. Not to mention paying to subscribe to a PC game in the era of "pay for nothing shareware everything" ? lolno.

>And that you think WoW is the end-all and be-all of mmos is because you never played proper "old school" mmos

That runs even further counter to your point and fully proves mine. WoW is fundamentally different from old mmos and were not known of by hardly anyone. WoW is known by all. There's a southpark episode on it ffs.
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>tfw poe stops responding in the middle of your uber lab run
Anyone noticing this shit happening more often lately? I'm also having long load times when it wasn't a problem before.
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>>166760621
ive been having super fucxking long load times since last night

never had an issue before no idea what the fucks going on

also had the stop responding twice today
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>tfw made the mistake of grabbing a diamond shrine while having herald of ice on
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>>166759118

You think games back then casually took 15gb like they do now?

Most games would fit in 1 or 2 cds, and they would also partially run from cds themselves. Your cds would WEAR OUT.

>bb-bubut no one had cdrom

yes they did. fuck off.

>counter to your point

Wow only got big outside the west (anglo west) after 2006. Other games had the rest of the world cornered. Why? Games like RO (which had millions of players when WoW when live) and tibia ran perfectly fine on 2002 era pcs. WoW needed better specs to not run like complete ass. decent 3d video cards started becoming affordable but they would still cost as much as the entire pc, most of us were stuck with shitty trident or s3 video that barely could play quake until nvidia/ati started their price wars. So what do? Play games that didnt care too much for that.

I literally never played WoW until 2008 and then for only a year only because a then gf made me do it.
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r8 my newest build idea, /poeg/:

Max Block
SRS
Blood Magic
Scion
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poptarts..?
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>>166761953
>You think games back then casually took 15gb like they do now?

Yeah right like anyone but the most extreme autists had that kinda space back then. What would be considered your average home pc today in the 90's had 1-3 gib hdd if that. Many people I knew had <100mhz, <1gb and ran dos.

>Most games would fit in 1 or 2 cds, and they would also partially run from cds themselves. Your cds would WEAR OUT

Many games ran from CD yes they're called games I didn't play because load times took forever and hearing cd's load all the time is a headche. Anyone who valued performance woule be choosing the game they could load off their drive over the one that requires a cd to load off.

What is your point now anyway? Nothing you've posted IN ANY WAY counters the point you replied to. You think Brevik was sitting there thinking of ways he could create a game that could be trivialized to sell to people? lol you're retarded
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>>166762581
I hope you picked up that jeweller's orb
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this is the post in the quote chain which you denied being about meta clearspeed btw:

>>166713797
>You play a meta clear speed build and ignore 99% of mechanics in the game, you kill everything on the screen without thinking and you only worry about reflect and volatiles.

In case this fag tries to deny or change subjects again.
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Shut the fuck and take a step back, nerds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZXUCQc2Z78
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>>166762886

>mhz

meaningless metric, idiot. a 100mhz p2 was five time faster than a 130mhz 486dx2. you are terminally ill-informed.

>caring about loading time in the era of ps1

we were used to it. stop pretending you lived that period as anything but a toddler or an egg in your moms eggsack

my point is the same since last night:

there is an objectively correct way to play games that arent open ended no-goal sandboxes. This includes arpgs. And the objectively correct way to play arpgs is to kill as much shit as possible without dying.

Playing purposefully in a way that you shun effective methods and procedures of gameplay for no other reward than the one your adrenal glands give you is a self-imposed challenge. And game devs have known this since forever. They didnt have to give us xbox challenges to make us replay TGL or similar on game++, they only needed to give us the option to.

BUT saying that one is playing the game wrong unless you purposefully gimp yourself (like in PoE's case), is retarded and delusional.

Anything else you may have took or mistook for my posts is your on your own defective baby brain.

>>166763269
obviously not me. that dude clearly cares about the form of his post more than i do and i dont care to play the (You)s denying minigame either
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>pretending poe was ever anything but the clearspeed and hp stacking meta
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why is poeg so dead tonight

am i meant to believe poeg denizens have social lives and are out partying with their friends lol???
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anyone else staying at home on a friday night...
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>stash tabs sale
Am I going to get memed? How useful are currency, divination and essence tabs later on when you have lots of shit?
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It depends on your perspective.
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>>166768651
>currency
extremely
>divination
yes very
>essence
only a couple of essences are any good and they're rare to begin with

where the fuck is the map tab
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>>166769437
Okay, thanks.
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>>166769437
they busy working on the auction house tab
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So I finally get a friend to play poe with me and he can't even get through normal labyrinth without dying to traps.
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>>166771097
3 instant potions + 2 quicksilvers
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I'm getting a hack and slash itch.
I havent played path of exile since maps got introduced ( never got to them, i always died, i'm very bad at the game).
Is it easier to get to them now?
Are there any retard proof builds that require no skill and no gear ? Cause i dont have any
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>>166772562
>Is it easier to get to them now?
Yes, leveling has become more streamlined, there' a small difficulty bump with A4 but nothing you can't overcome if you take it slow
>Are there any retard proof builds that require no skill and no gear ? Cause i dont have any
Essence Drain, SRS, Totems anything
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>>166772304
He needs more than that to help him. He keeps dying to the alternating spikes.
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Why does this game have to be so complicated /poeg/? In Diablo 2 I could get through all 3 difficulties without looking up build guides and needing specific uniques and links to make it all work.

In this game looking up guides and information all leads to faggot streamers and reddit posts that expect you to have exalts on hand.

Why are there no simple straight forward guides?
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>>166776894
I don't usually posts this but you should just ,you know, git gud m8.
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>>166776894
you can get to a4m with a naked 11yo witch wearing nothing but a vendor recipe wand/sceptre
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>>166776894
>looking up guides and information all leads to faggot streamers and reddit posts
>expect you to have exalts
>Why are there no simple straight forward guides?

Alright, here, I'm spoonfeeding you how to use the internet:
Step 1: Go to the official GGG forums
Step 2: Look for a guide that has "budget" or something similar in the thread title

How can this be so goddamn hard?
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>>166723552
>>166723628
1. Quality Blasphemy is still needed in heretics, for more curse effectiveness
2. You can place Intuitive Leap in the Scion energyshield wheel, so you can take Skittering Runes, Shaper and Potency of Will with better point efficiency and without curse castspeed.
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So I got the voidheart prophecy and promptly upgraded that bitch
What builds use this thing for big deeps boost?
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>>166778810
ancestral warchief with rapid decay support
big single damage hits (earthquake's second hit doesnt proc the poison / bleed)
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>>166779756
I have warchief with more phys damage, faster attack and bloodlust on a 4L to complement my cyclone
Think I can replace it there, or is that kind of strategy more viable on a totem focused build?
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24 hours since i seen my cat. think he ran away. to die.
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how did you improve yourself today anons?
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>>166765380
not me
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>>166780898
I dont get it
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What's better for leveling with facebreakers, cyclone or ice crash?
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>>166783545
frenzy
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>>166783545
frenzy
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How unreasonable would it be to try to 6L something with ~600 fusing?
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>>166786285
like expecting bad fast food not to give you diarrhea if you have a pre-existing intestinal problem
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>>166786285
More reasonable if you try it at the ledge near the false god
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>>166783545
shield charge
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>>166786285
save up 10x more and then try, you might just get it
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>>166787773
>10x
but you only need 1.5k with vorici?
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>>166788147
not worth desu
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Hey lads, i just started playing path of exile and so far ive been doing well, I was being one shotted by certain act 3 and 4 bosses in cruel, but trash and packs were killed easily.

but now im at the start of merciless, i am level 54 and my character just seems way too fucking weak. I fear having even more trouble with bosses on merciless.

Stats i feel are the most relevant for you guys to help me:

>Offence:
>DPS: 558
>accuracy: 89%
>attacks per second 1.46
>+40% leech

>Defence:
>686 Armour
>Estimated physical dmg reduction: 20%
>2885 evasion
>fire res 41%
>cold res 21%
>other res are under 20%
Im assuming level up more or get better gear, but how exactly do i go about it in a relatively fast manner at this point? I dont feel like grinding acts ffs
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>>166789951
2073 health fug forgot
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>>166789951
get ele res retard

just buy a gold rim
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>>166790315
Getting 5 chaos orbs when i cant even farm gear to vendor for them is gonna make that hard my man, unless there is some other way
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>>166789951
this is a sfw board, RETARD
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I have 110 points leftover from my last shopping spree. Should I buy some more and get even more tabs. I have 10 atm with quad/essence/currency/div
Don't know what I should buy. I sort of want an outfit because gear in game is ugly AF, but it's expensive
>>
In BHC, is it safer to have your currency in ex or chaos?
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Probably depends on how much $ you have. I like to keep spending money, but a lot in ex for when I want to buy an expensive item
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>>166789951
time to masturbate
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>he actually believes he has 40% leech
I'm trying to think of a way to even hit 40% without overshooting to 100%
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>>166792047
Its what the stats say

>he actually believes ill just discern it or know from instinct
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You're not reading the stat right. Try again, famalamadingdong.
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>>166792772
>reading
>poe
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that's probably increased life leech rate
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>>166762057
garbage
>>
Either way, he's retarded.
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how can poeg be even worse than srg
>>
nothing is impossible for /poeg/
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>>166791301
when i was still playing bhc, it became increasingly difficult for people to take my exalts on items priced in hundreds of chaos

ex just seem a bit volatile
>>
any way to mass buy currency, like convert my 3k scrolls without breaking my mouse?
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imagine being so inefficient you actually picked up scrolls or spent time buying them instead of using a corrupted portal gem

lol
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was the xbox announcement our 9/11?
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imagine having so little in your life you berate people over not min/maxing their time in a f2p game
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just bought a currency tab even though Im poor and its mostly empty outside of 300 chaos

I have problems
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It's worth it just for organizing your shit properly desu
>>
am I fucking crazy or did there used to be a stash thing for sale that was a bunch of things bundled in one, like the div tab and ess tab along with a couple other things in one bundle? I cant find it in the shop
>>
it was a temporary bundle
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>le never reply to anyone xdD we're le epik memers fight the powa hehe

and now your threads get 1 post an hour on a friday night during primetime

good going faggots
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i am glad I got that bundle desu
>>
>using the thread for actual discussion when it's just neet bullying
I go to reddit for actual discussion
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>tfw you are only non-cryptoredditor in /poeg/

i guess i was too busy avoiding most forms of social media when reddit became a thing and now its too late for me
>>
>8 am
>primetime
nys amerifag
>>
>>166764689
>we were used to it.
no, we weren't. maybe you were. casuals that played point and click adventures didn't mind the load times.

>there is an objectively correct way to play games that arent open ended no-goal sandboxes
considering this post is a quote chain about clear speed meta i can only assume you're a retard.

>Anything else you may have took or mistook for my posts is your on your own defective baby brain
it's called a quote chain dumbfuck. we're disucssin clearspeed meta. you obviously have a hateboner for an unrelated topic.
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>>166802109
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>>166801682
What a fucking loser.
>>
Yes you are
>>
post ending in 7 picks my next build
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>>166805692
Why do you choose the same number as the fucking loser faggot?
>>
>>166805692
play crit arc witch
>>
are you retarded?
>>
>>166805692
iron grip, point blank, scion
>>
are you?
>>
answer the question.
>>
>>166805692

Scorching ray with cast on channel raging spirits
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>>166805839
>>166805895
>>166805942

not until i get my (You)
>>
>every day the same few autists not quoting
>>
>implying I'm more than one
>>
>>166806207
Gets to show you how pathetic some humans are, I actually don't mind though, makes me feel better about myself knowing someone is inferior to me.
>>
They should remove the passive skill tree, and make all Acendencies baseline, and expanded
>>
keep telling yourself that, champ
>>
this general is cancer lol
>>
desu this is why reddit is better. No game discussion just people acting like cunts all day
>>
it's just you tbqh
>>
>wanting to discuss a casual console game
>>
>>166786602
Is this just a meme or is there really something to it? Because I see streamers do it all the time.
>>
desu why isn't there a copy item button on poetrade so you can insert it into path of building to see how it would change your stats
>>
>tfw 55 points off prem stash tab bundle but don't want to buy 100 points
fug
>>
>>166807204
They do those sales like that on purpose, the Currency tab was 60 points discounted, meaning you have to buy 100 points and can't obtain it with 50 points, it is just GGG showing their maximum jewery.
>>
>>166807727
I would have had enough if I didn't buy currency/special stash tab bundle before they were on sale. I bought them literally like 1 or 2 days before sale and even emailed them if I could get points back and they said no
fucking jews
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>tfw finally got Merciless Malachai on farm with my Double Striker
>>
the real question is why you would farm malachai
>>
>>166807827
I did the same last sale but they refunded my the difference
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>>166807950

>farming merci mala

literally why
>>
>>166807982
baka when they allow you but deny me.
Wtf is this shit
>>
>>166808007
It's the final boss of the game?
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>>166807974
Hello newfriend, I know you think our place is like a chat because it resembles one, but in reality, it is not. You need to use >>postnumber for people to know who you're replying to, that is unless you don't want that person to know you're talking to him because you're insecure about your yourself. Otherwise people will know you are not genuinely asking him that question since you're not really expecting an answer.
>>
>>166808037
that would be The Shaper

merci mala is just to get the challenge done
>>
Thanks for replying to me, Oldfriend. I'll keep that (you) in my bank account for a later time. I'll continue posting like this
>>
>mfw watching /poeg/ implode because of the no reply meme I brought from /sc2/
heh, easily manipulated fools...
>>
Every build should be made with the intention of farming T10-12s
>>
Is it even worth killing shaper if I have the fragments or should I just sell them?
I am talking $ wise what is better
>>
>>166808542

right now, even if you drop the flask and the sword, market is so slow that unless you undercut everybody else significantly, they still wont sell quick

j
>>
depends, you could make profit or you could lose money
>>
I've killed it 3 times so far getting flask twice, but that seems to be crazy lucky. I just don't even know if you'd make $ off it when you can just sell a set for like 40c
>>
>le never reply to anyone xdD we're le epik memers fight the powa hehe

and now your threads get 1 post an hour on a friday night during primetime

good going faggots
>>
>implying that is the reason why the thread is dead
>>
“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
and naked I will depart.
The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away;
may the name of the Lord be praised.”

>Job 1:21
>>
>all the generals I browse were completely dead all night

fuck this. bunch of fuckin normies
>>
double dipping nerfs when?
>>
>>166810532
>wanting an essence drain league
>>
>tfw abundance of currency and don't know what to make since my characters already fun/clear everything
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>>166810915
give them to me
>>
>>166810915
You will never have abundance of currency enough to buy every single color/variation of skin of the loyal/lords, better start working now buddy.
>>
>>166810997
But why would I want that
>>
>>166811283
Why wouldn't you
>>
>tfw found a way to triple dip
>>
>>166811535
>tfw found a way for you to suck the tip of my dick
>>
>guy asked to buy divine
>ask him if he just wants 1
>stands in my HO like autist forever and then says no trade? and leaves
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>>166812319
You were the autist in this situation, anon
>>
obviously he didnt speak english

i used to get a couple those pretty much every night / morning
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>>166812369
The fuck are you talking about nigger, learn how to properly reply.
>>
>>166812365
Not really when I ask a direct question and get no response. He didn't even try to trade me which I would have taken as he just wants 1
>>
>>166812416
He asked to buy a divine, all you had to do was send trade invite and wait to see how much currency they put, then you see they true intentions, trying to socially interact with this subhumans was your mistake in the first place.
>>
rip servers i guess
>>
>>166812567
fucking gr8, i just got a fatty chayula breach and like 10 splinters and other fat loots.

gayass game rip my asshole
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>mfw playing ED in 2017 just to clear endgame

makes me wonder why I even play this game to begin with

why cant fun builds be good?
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>>166812625
yeah, same here, I can't get used to this shit althought ggg does alot to help
>>
>>166812746
some are. just not enough of them can deal with t16 bosses and shaper
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>>166812791
spooky toss is pretty fun
>>
>red dreams selling for 400c
>I sold one for 200c a week ago

what the fuck
>>
>>166812746
i play some un-meta shit (on purpose) and it's still doing ok with ranger and with witch, also self-foundcrafterd in 95%
imo that kinda proves that there's more options that you may think
I'm rather average in this game too, that proves it even more
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>>166812885
You either got jewed, prices spiked up after some random faggot made it in his "SHAPER Deathless kill" or people are retarded, seen some stupid as fuck prices.
>>
>>166812885
someone made a youtube video about it and shared it on reddit
>>
Man streamers fuck everything up when it comes to PoE economy.
>>
new map
>>166813112
>>166813112
>>166813112
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>>166808497
Do builds that absolutely can't do red maps even exist ?
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