Eve Online general /eog/

First for Pan-Senpai is best senpai

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>>164487381
fug

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REMOVE GOONS
REMOVE STAIN

4th for MLJ

Don't let brutor bulls take our womyn.

>unironically thinks anyone would want TEST as a neighbor

>>164487780
I heard rumor that the new Empress makes secret visits to the slave breeding hab modules and lets submits herself like a slave to captured brutor bulls.

Can the goons please move to Serpentis space, I want cheaper Vigilants.

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kys cuckposters

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>>164487608
>this is reddit's >>propaganda

>>164487920
Catis is pure, drop these allegations immediately!

>>164488031
Vigilants have great memetic value so the price will stay the same. Gilas dropped because -1 low.

Hey guys I command a Coercer for the Imperial Navy.

My wife finally got back from a Yoiul party after 3 whole galactic cycles. I really relieved to see she's safe and wasn't captured by pirates or blood raiders.

I am howeverr a bit concerned because here interbus pilot was clearly a Brutor and dropped her off back home in a Stiletto.

Do you guys think I should be worried?

>>164488469
gilas are massively more popular than vigilants m8

>>164488564
But the price drop wasn't caused by farming but by a nerf.

>>164488691
I don't think the nerf caused any change in usage at all

>>164488753
Not usage, price.

>>Is it too late to start playing EVE?
Yes

>Can I make enough ISK as an Alpha to PLEX?
No
no wonder these last 2 threads are shit, they are started by an edgy fag

Sorry brah. I'm simply doing my best to keep tards away from this game

>>164488543

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>>164489949

>>164487318
>Is it too late to start playing EVE?
>Yes
Can you at least fix fucking OP before making a new thread you useless piece of shit. Fucking faggot.

>>164490029
I'm simply telling the truth bro. No need to get mad.

>Is it too late to start playing EVE?
>That actually sounds like a good plan. Report back on success.

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>>164490093
wew lad

>>164490373
I don't give a fuck about space's autistic rants or ccp's profits. I just don't want retards in the game. The alphas are absolutely awful to play with.

>>164490540
Thanks for confirming you are a retard.

>you need rockets I to use this module

oh

>>164490749
I'm sure you are very happy educating a band of drooling retards without even the most basic understanding of the game. Fuck off ccp shill, alphas are a mistake.

>>164490871
>>164490540
kys

>>164490871
>this game needs LESS players I say, LESS. Not more!
>back when I started out I knew everything right now, I was ELITE from the very first moment. These damn greenhorns.

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who moa here

>>164490824
>not having all small weapons systems at 5
Are you even elite?

>>164490871
>how dare new players have no knowledge of the game
>I take it personal if someone asks questions
autist

>>164491124
Moa is a beautiful lady.

>>164491224
>fitting weapons on a interceptor
>corp kicked

>>164490934
>>164490984
>I say let's divert alliance resources so we can explaing hundred times a day to retards how to take gate

>>164491232
>what is google

>>164491124
I miss the old model

>>164490373
lmao who is that fucking retard

>tfw can't fly any of my alliance's doctrines and have to bring shitty t1 throwaway tackles

>>164491338
Have them learn the same way we did: In multiple balls of fire.

>>164491348
same here, but the new one is alright. I'm not mad

Should I always set my medical clone to where I currently am?

Dumb question I guess, just trying to figure out how to make sure I always have at least 1 close in each area. Back at home and in the staging area.

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https://zkillboard.com/kill/58830178/

>>164491726
Put a JC at home, med clone at staging.

>>164491726
I know it sounds overly simple, just think about where you'd want to end up when you die.

>>164492156
>Dying to a lone Navy Raven
Was the raven ratting, or did he just get caught and BTFO?

>>164492327
look at the fit

>>164492292
You're right. I'll move my med clone to staging.

>>164492156
>Wow that Domi is kinda shit fit
>It's a Sin

WHAT THE FUCK

>>164487834

>implying you will have a choice ;)

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>>164492392
>Implying I understand battleship fits
I'm a BC pilot, not a BS pilot.

>>164492578
Blops are BS but with BC tank so you should.

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What is a Jita whore?

Also, a few threads ago I was asking about if there was some standing fleet somewhere that just does random PVP stuff with no requirements to join their corp and stuff, I really just want to do something interesting while waiting for this dumb mining barge to finish training.

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>tfw tempted to train to use a mining barge
somebody please stop me

Battleskiff

>>164493387
iktf, every so often I think "just once I should actually try it on an alt and go full miner", but then I never go through with it

Is there a way to have a third alt account with a high sec miner on it that runs passively in a tiny ass 400 x 200 window or w/e on all runescape settings and pays for itself and then some? so plex + bonus?

>>164493321
>Training barges
Train Mining Frigate 5 and Expedition Frigate 4, then huff gas in wormholes while training PvP skills.

>>164493569
That would take absolutely forever though instead of just 4 days, Mining Frigate 5 not so much, but Expedition Frigates would be like a month or so I think.

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>mining

>ever

>>164493525
player run economy. nothing that accessible will ever be good money

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>>164493725
What, did you think those minerals came from enemy hulls?

They used to.

>>164493569
that actually requires effort

If I'm gonna mine at all I want to do it 90% afk in some quiet highsec far from jita

>>164493525
High sec is shit for money, dont bother.

>>164493725
Its tempting when there's 50% boosts during most of the day.

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:^)

>>164494118
you mine in null?

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>>164493702
Electronics upgrades is like two weeks and Industry is a week. Both are skills you'll probably need for other things anyway.

>>164494158
i don't mine

>mfw without us Miner Lords you scumbags elite PvPers would be flying 500mil Maller hulls

>>164493725
I mean, don't get me wrong, it's really boring but kinda relaxing. There's no real other options open to me that interest me right now, I only started playing like a week ago. Exploration in high sec with a frigate is laughable shit, combat sites give nothing and take forever, and mission running literally only gives me like 90000 ISK on completion.

>>164494314
why don't you just go and explore in low, null and WHs. Or join a corp and do some pvp in low or null.

>>164494293
my minerals are free, there's nothing you can do

>>164494314
Most of the reward from missions is in LP, loot, salvage, and bounties. The actual monetary reward the agent gives you is pennies compared to everything else.

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Everyone who's not Dror will defend this.
Including me.

>>164494421
>go and explore in low, null and WHs
Like I said, I'm new and from everything I've heard stepping out of hi sec is super dangerous. I'm not afraid of dying, but I really don't want to like, immediately warp out into low sec and get ganked or something.

>>164494498
My minerals are free too brother, literally free money from CCP.

>>164494613
>reeeeeeee skill mastery v shouldn't mean you need good skills wtf ccp

>>164494613
No I won't defend literal bait autism, have a good day anon.

>>164494721
>1586 days to complete
m8, it doesn't have anything to do with skills, its more that it literally would take half a decade to get that which is absurd

>>164494636
>I'm not afraid to die
>but I dont want to die

>>164494314
A level 2 security run will give you 1mil or more per run from the reward, bounties, and loot. Certain missions have guaranteed loot drops worth a million or more as well.
Decent level 3s are 3mil and on up. A long one can easily have 6mil in bounties alone.

You should ideally be in something with more tank than a cruiser, but its still relatively easy, and not totally mindless like click and forget mining.

>>164494850
why is it absurd? the ship has bonuses to a lot of modules. mastery v means you are maxed or almost maxed at using all of them

>>164494636
this fear will never go away until you actually go to low. And if you are new join a corp to learn the game.

>>164494872
Let me rephrase, I'm not afraid of dying, but don't want to immediately jump into some blob of ships, get killed, and learn nothing from the experience.

>>164494850
My Ibis mastery V would only take 761 days and I'm brand new.
So something is wrong there.

>>164494314
Do Mining Missions.

I do a L4 mission in 30-40 minutes, absolutely no stress or pressure since the area usually has less than 20 people at any given time, and I get ~2m ISK and 4-6k LP.

Plus there's usually a hidden Lowsec belt in the area, along with a plethora of wormholes.

>>164494636
When it comes to low/null, you can usually see that there's a gatecamp or not by using dotlan and seeing the kills in the last hour. If a system seems hot, just don't go.

Wormholes are a whole different monster; you can't see who's in them or what's going on other than a few tools and in order to get information you need to jump into them. Learn to mash V to refresh your directional scan, and if you see probes up that aren't yours be ready to gtfo. Bookmark everything; entrance and exit hole.

>keybind dscan
retard alert

>>164495003
>check http://eve-gatecheck.space/eve/
>check new ingame map to see if there are people
>check dotlan if you want

>>164494636
The trick to exploration is that the further away from high sec and populated areas, the better for you.

Unless it's drone regions. Drone regions suck most of the time for explo.

Anyway, seriously, you don't have to be afraid. Take a t1 scanning frig into some quiet lowsec and practice scanning down sites, doing them all while watching local and dscanning if needed to avoid any danger.

Use dotlan maps to find lowsec with barely any activity, you'll make a lot of money and dozens upon dozens of times what your frig cost.

If you decide you want to crank it up a bit and enjoy it consider getting an astero or covops frig, either way something that can cloak and hit up nullsec

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>>164494613
What the fuck is wrong with your character

>Electronic Counter Measures
>Tackling

ccp confirmed for agreeing with me that tackle is not ewar

kys everyone who disagreed with me that one time

>>164495537
I believe that Tackling is a subset of EWAR but it is not exclusive.

Like how a revolver is a handgun, but not all handguns are revolvers.

>>164495642
Or like how every eve player is a retard but not every retard plays eve

>>164495537
wow i guess only caldari recons are ewar ships xd

>>164495537
>Ship Equipment
>>Electronic Warfare
>>>Warp Disruptors
>>>Warp Scramblers

>>164495410
>What the fuck is wrong with your character
It's fucked up.
Like the rest of my life.

>>164495839
How does your character take twice as long to train ibis V mastery as a new character?
Do you have negative skills?

>>164495940
Neural remaps and alpha state

>>164495716
Nah, they're off in /csgog/ :^)

>>164496092
>actually playing this game as alpha
why do you hate yourself so much

>>164496192
Not doing it on purpose.
I'm legitimately so bad that I can't make a PLEX in a month on a 76m character.

>>164496525
just pay a sub you faggot

>>164496525
Maybe you can collect enough bottles outside to get a few bucks and use real money to buy sub

>>164496525
just pay for a sub fag, if after that month you can't afford plexing with a 76m sp pilot just quit the game and go back to wow

>tfw Astero made t2 empire explorers obsolete
>tfw worm
>tfw garmur

>>164497235
a buzzard with fitting is like what 28m

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioe5cLXxJBc

>>164496792
Really? Paying for games? What is this, the 90s?

>>164496902
The competition is too high.

>>164497153
If getting a copy of wow didn't cost a year of savings, let alone the subscription fee, I would consider it.

>>164497460
everything in that video is retarded

>>164497645
no ur retarded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiUc_n43my4

>>164497478
Do you live in South Sudan in a mud hut or something?

>>164497645
>can't rebut
>just calls it retarded

>>164497460
>XD
>le robot voice from 2001
Is the man this insecure about his voice?

>>164497842
I like that robot voice.

>>164497842
he's german with a heavy accent, so yes.

>>164497932
This being narrated in a heavy German monotone accent would probably be funnier.

>>164497982
>I can't understand what he's saying but he makes the belicose look good so it probably is even though his entire narrative is talking about how bad it is

>>164497932
what a faggot.
I bet hes one of you fags that bitches about joining corps comms every thread

>>164497802
>shit music
>meme voice
>recommending putting rapids on a paint ship, even though that literally just makes it into a bad caracals

Stabber guide best
https://youtu.be/WN-i0jVa_yQ

>>164498075
>he thinks the bellicose is a main line DPS ship

lmao gaypwnd detected

>>164498075
>shit music I don't like
opinion
>meme voice
see >>164497932
>>recommending putting rapids on a paint ship, even though that literally just makes it into a bad caracals
HAM's don't have dick for range and HML's do less damage than RLML's theres no point in running ANYTHING else

>>164498130
>she makes shit up

>>164498075
Hams and heavies are gabrage outside of tengus and cerbs.

>hahah le pain xdd so useful xdd

Bellisoce is shit no matter what you do.

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>>164498171
>HAM's don't have dick for range
>every fight in the video proceeds to be at scam range of everything

>>164497741
No. East Europe.
Been saving for years for a ticket to get out of this shithole.
So far I managed to collect $0 and a crippling debt that strips me of my every penny.
That and international debt collector corporation threats of being jailed if I were ever to flee the country is what keeps me here, probably until I die of old age.
Fun times, I know.

>>164498171
>HML's do less damage than RLML's

your retarded and your apostrophes are horrible

>>164498216
I never said it wasn't shit

You faggots realize that Rhiload is a /dog/poster right?

he made the Bellicose vid just for you memers

>>164498075
Except the Bellicose is just a bad caracal.

And I'd love to fly a Huginn for solo and small gang PVP but I suppose that would just be a bad idea.

>>164498261
>>HAM's don't have dick for range
>>every fight in the video proceeds to be at scam range of everything
he wasn't in scram range of any of them, he was kiting hardcore. He was hitting stuff near the max range of RLML. He coasted out of every time he was scrammed

>>164498342
>dogposter
>redditor using stolen chan memes
Ebin

>>164497460
>starts wasting missiles on random shit
>le rof bonus means you don't get enough missiles to kill shit
>hecate at half hull with no missiles left
>guide
>only flies one fit
how embarrassing.
Thank god I'm not German

>>164498336
>your retarded and your apostrophes are horrible
Its fucking true you mong. HML's apply like shit and do ass DPS in the face of RLML's. When you include reload times the RLML still do better DPS

>>164498336
HMLs have damage application of a garden hose set to mist

RLMLs will always end up doing more damage. more damage

>>164498320
The problem is not your country, it's you, anon.

>>164498360
why do you say that? sure it's worse than the rapier in every way because missiles are better than projectiles, but you're still completely immune to all frigates and destroyers because of your retarded meme webs. it's gay as shit in small gangs when trying to remove soloers

>>164498501
>HML's apply like shit
>apply like shit
>target painter bonus
>apply like shit
>target painter bonus

what is wrong with you? if you just want to fly a caracal, then fly a caracal

>When you include reload times the RLML still do better DPS

this is probably bullshit

For Alphas and how to play the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1HiWqdoic4

>>164498486
>>starts wasting missiles on random shit
you mean the tackle thats pinning him?
>le rof bonus means you don't get enough missiles to kill shit
It means you have garbage total dps. Damage bonuses help RLML's last longer because they do more total damage than RoF

>guide
>only flies one fit
he showed two fits, a 1600mm plate fit and a dual LSE fit

>>164498639
>only two fits
>tackle pinning him
>nothing is even tackling him on the first video
>wastes missiles on the flycatcher and the confessor
embarrassing.

>>164498620
>>HML's apply like shit
>>apply like shit
>>target painter bonus
they still apply like shit with the TP bonus as things can still speed tank them. HML's are shit

They don't magically stop applying like shit because you throw a 50% bonused TP on. They still apply like shit even with the 50% sig bloom

>this is probably bullshit
Its true, its been true for 4 years now. HML's do such poor DPS and apply so badly that RLML's are better in every way even for consecutive DPS applications

>>164498543
I know.
Wish I died in my sleep tonight.

>>164498630
Rhiload confirmed for BOTE poster

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>>164498360
There's a solo huginn fit. It's just very memetic. And no, I'm not using ACs and barrage ever.

>>164498620
>rapier
>better than huginn
lmao no

>>164498763
it's not true dipshit I just looked it up

>they still apply like shit

no they don't. yes we know rlmls are overpowered as fuck, I'm not saying they aren't, but you're still a fucking retard. not applying full damage all the time regardless of how shit you are at pvp is not the same thing as applying like shit

>>164498630
>gaylente
>american

what the fuck

>>164498925
HMLs apply like shit m8 there's a reason no one uses the drake anymore.

>>164498925
>it's not true dipshit I just looked it up
Did you look at DPS after application? because paper DPS makes HML's do better dps which isn't true because HML's lose significant DPS to even cruiser sized targets.

>no they don't
says the faggot that never uses them. HML's are never used and the last time I saw them used was on large amounts of HML cerbs for raw alpha.

>you're fucking retarded

>not applying full DPS all the time regardless of how shit you are
You don't apply full damage with HML's not even with the 50% TP. Stop making shit up. Enjoy your HML bellicose and the measly 150dps

>>164498630
better video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH-QR4VNXYY

Reminder that Rhiload is also the Typhoon poster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggRNBtgKEfU

>>164499014
they're fine

and yes, the reason nobody uses them is because rlmls are broken. if you're going to fly a bellicose though there's no point doing it if you're going to use rlmls

>drake

kys memefag

>>164499094
>Did you look at DPS after application?

application vs what? I guess vs something that means you're correct? no I didn't, because that would be dumb

>You don't apply full damage with HML's not even with the 50% TP. Stop making shit up.

I don't apply full damage to what, what are you even talking about

>>164498973
>country full of fags and memecultures that is secretly a police state
>country full of fags and memecultures that is secretly a police state

>>164499196
>i refuse to recognize damage application behind on paper stats

ur gaypwn and will forever remain gaypwnd

>>164499196
>application vs what?
A frig or a destroyer like the ones he was shooting at in the video? What do you think? Use your goddamn imagination.

>I don't apply full damage to what, what are you even talking about
USE YOUR FUCKING IMAGINATION. Just because EFT says "you do this much DPS" doesn't mean you ACTUALLY apply that much dps, even with a TP you still have a deficit. You're no where near RLML's which have no application issues

>drake
>one of he most used ships ever
>meme

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>>164499175
rhiload a shit

>>164499196
Heres your DPS vs an armor plated confessor with a 51.6% TP sig bloom on it.

Your Heavy missiles proportedly do 180 ish DPS but you're doing only 40% of that

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>>164499586
it's not 2012 anymore m8

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>>164499765
forgot my pic

If you're applying this badly to a confessor theres no way you're applying any better to a frig or a stealth bomber or an interceptor

>>164499586
it hasn't been the most used since late 2012, 4 years ago

>>164499247
you forgot
>and also still have the best technology, best ships in the game and everyone loves their meme culture for some reason

>>164499540
>USE YOUR FUCKING IMAGINATION

wow you make a great case there anon

it's funny hearing you r/eve-tier shitters present damage application where you don't apply 100% damage to every ship in the game (i.e. how it's meant to work) as some kind of issue

if you're going to fly a bellicose then there is no point fitting rapid lights. you fit hmls and have it be part of a smallish gang. if you want to be a shitter who is bad at eve, just have everyone in rapid light caracals because you need something simple you can't fuck up because you're dumb and gay
if you want to be a rlml shitter do not fly a bellicose

>>164499196
>no I didn't, because that would be dumb
>I didn't check any application vs common targets because that would be dumb
>it would be dumb to know what kind of DPS your engagement profile can withstand
>it would be dumb to not go the extra inch and find out if my fit has any application issues vs common targets

>>164499952
>using pyfa and sig incorrectly

Shield regen tank vs passive shield tank for PvE Y/N?

>>164500061
>just call them redditors and I win!

>>164500089
>common targets

another thing you made up :)

>it would be smart to need every ship in your fleet to be able to kill an interceptor, because why have a practical comp when you can just add a load of rapid light ships together and f1 on tacklers

>>164500061
see
>>164499952
this is why Rhilroad and everyone else uses RLMLS

>>164500098
I didn't use it incorrectly, when using a fit that has EWAR modules on a ship, it automatically applies any ewar that affects application. This includes things like guidance computers, webs, and TP's, etc

>fit HML's for part of a gang
wow 80 dps sure is contributing huh, no way RLML's doing way more DPS and applying way better wouldn't be an asset to a small fleet

>>164500127
shield regen is passive tank m8

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>tfw newfag
>got a cormorant and outfitted it
>want to explore but I have no idea where to go or what to do with my time
>also a pussy because afraid to lose ship but I know it's part of the game and I am willing to accept it

wat do

>>164499907
Half ofthat is fleet support, hisec wardick camps and PH.

>>164499952
>one BCS

But it was. There's no reason to call it a meme when it was a core ship used a fucking lot

>>164500290
Passive is buffer

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>>164500245

>>164500229
>another thing you made up :)
>frigs, interceptors, t3d's and the like are not common targets
see
>>164499952

No guys, the paper DPS is absolute, no problems applying that DPS, stop looking at that you're dumb

>>164499094
>because paper DPS makes HML's do better dps which isn't true because HML's lose significant DPS to even cruiser sized targets.

A double paint HML Bellicose with one Rigor will apply full damage to a 150sig cruiser as long as the target is moving slower than 983m/s. Which most AB cruisers are. With HAMs it'll apply full damage to the same target so long as it's going below 1373m/s.

HM/HAM application is bad, but not bad enough to not apply to cruisers. On the other hand being speed and sig tanked by frigates is not an issue limited to missiles.

>>164500351
>want to explore in a cormorant
>outfitted

>>164500368
you buffer to get better regen m8

>let sub lapse on indy character
>continue to build
>clone state tax is fucking aids

Almost makes me wanna resub.

>>164500419
cucked again

>https://zkillboard.com/kill/58854794/

>>164500368
>But it was. There's no reason to call it a meme when it was a core ship used a fucking lot
It doesn't matter how many BCS you use, you're only applying 40% of that DPS to a fucking confessor which is absolute ass

even if you get your damage up to 300dps you're only applying 40% of that at best which is 120 which is NOT threatening to a confessor at all let alone a frig which is gonna sig tank even better

>double paint
>rigor
>AB cruisers out of nowhere

>>164500402
>AB cruisers

lmao

>>164498924
>Fit
Sadly I don't have enough PG for 720's, but 650's give me 362DPS with drones (380 using RF Gyros) and I'd hope that would be enough. ~22k EHP though, so that's nice I suppose for a half-million ISK fit.

>>164500402
>apply full DPS
yea all 200 of it

thats awful DPS, a cruiser isn't threatened by 200dps worth of HML's from a gimp fitted bellicose

>>164500647
Don't EVER use 650s. Fit a reactor instead of a nano but never ever use 650mms

>>164500389
>wow guys damage application, it's always always better to trade off all your stats for higher application
>did you know interceptors are common? and confessors, look at my graph

just stop. if you need to do all this and fly cancercals all the time you are shit at eve

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>>164500368
>ONLY 556 USERS OF THE DRAKE
>MOST USED SHIP

>>164500756
>stop pointing out how bad I am to the point of calling me out thinking Paper DPS is absolute.

>SEE IT SAYS RIGHT HERE ON PAPER THAT HMLs DO BETTER DPS THAN RLML's WITH A RELOAD!
>what about applied DPS?
>DONT LOOK AT THAT YOURE DUMB.

You can't even retort, you don't have an argument, you're retarded

>>164500815
Do you know what WAS means you dumb faggot. There's n oreason to call it a meme when it was a mainline ship.

>inb4 le can i bring a dreake xdd
That's problem with people, not the ship

>>164499586
>>drake
>>one of he most used ships ever


>>164501005
I dunno faggot you said it

>>164501005
>the drake was good 5 years ago
>this means HMLs are good

it's no longer good, infact it's soo garbage that caracals and ruptures outclass it.

lmao you're gaypwn

>>164500884
but I never said paper dps is 'absolute'. you guys are saying a weapon with higher sustained paper dps is worse than a weapon with lower sustained dps but higher application only because of damage application, like it's a more important attribute or something. it just reeks of being shitters. your idea of a tryhard meme kiting gang would probably just be 100% rapid lights, rather than a well composed mixture

>wow anon this long range gang cruiser wouldn't threaten the tank of a solo brawling cruiser lol

holy shit just stop

>>164501005
>people arguing because one anon doesn't understand explosion velocity/radius and how it applies to small ships

RLML do moderately high DPS, and they do not suffer damage reduction vs frigates and other small ships like HAMs and HMLs. This is a basic concept of missiles, just like tracking metrics for turrets.
If you're going to be using a missile boat you need to understand this rudimentary fact.

>>164501171
I was talking about drakes, not hmls.

>>164501173
it's not dps if it doesn't apply you stupid cunt

stay gaypwnd

>>164501294
so according to you, whenever you have a choice, the higher application choice is always always better, and if you disagree you need to look at some graphs of applied damage vs an interceptor and don't understand how missiles work

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>>164500647

>>164500750
421 with 720's and hobgobs, 408 for Acolytes. (I personally like Acolytes since they're a little faster than Hobgoblins and do just as much)

I suppose that'll work out, though I might just only T2 this fit since I don't want to lose 500m immediately.

>>164501437
It doesn't have webs

>>164501173
>but I never said paper dps
You said to not look or consider applied DPS because that was dumb. This directly implies that you think paper DPS is absolute.

RLML's even with reloads have better DPS than HML's in most of all situations because they apply so well and HML's apply so badly.

the poor DPS of HML's coupled with even worse applied DPS is why no one uses them for ANYTHING but the rarest of applications which is now limited to things like cerb fleets.

For all intents and purposes, RLML's are superior in every application

>he doesn't fit webs on his 720mm arty vagabond

member when people were drake baiting in lowsec belts

>>164501592
and now all the drakes in lowsec belts are real shitfit belt ratting drakes

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>That period where Drakes were considered noobships only fit for mission running
>A madman stuck HAMs on them and made the ship popular
>It became THE ship
>Now it's a relic of the past

>>164501570
>You said to not look or consider applied DPS because that was dumb

I didn't. someone asked me if I had considered applied dps vs some mystery target. I said no, because they'd define something very small and fast where hml dps is very low as being the most important and the deciding factor, even though nobody gives a shit and killing small stuff is piss easy

>most of all situations

it might be if you're bad. this is why you bring some paints along (or more like ranged webs, making tps pointless), so your applied dps is massive without gimping yourself into flying rapid cancer or meme destroyers all the time. this is why you don't see fleets of big ships dying to fleets of small ships

for all intents and purposes, you're shit at eve if you fit rlmls to a bellicose

What is the most unused ship in general?

Other than meme answers like gold magnate and shit.

Is it the Jaguar?

>>164501793
paints don't help heavy missiles because heavy missiles don't even apply full damage to a POS

>>164501836
lots of retards think the jag is good

>>164501882
just kys

>>164501793
>I didn't.
>>164499196
>no I didn't, because that would be dumb
You said it. You said it would be dumb to check on things like applied DPS in regards to your weapon system

>>164501836
the Corax is the most unused pvp ship

Enlighten me on jump clones in citadels.
Been googling for an hour already and all guides are incredibly lackluster regarding this.
All they say is that there's no jump cooldown. Great, but I already know that.

In no particular order:
1. What makes a citadel good for clone swapping (how to choose the best citadel for the job)?
2. Clone service gets disabled / citadel goes boom. What happens to clone / implants?
3. Docking privileges revoked. What happens to clone / implants?
4. Any other risks / quirks related to jump clones + citadels combo that I should be aware of?
5. How worth doing is it in the end? Do you do it? How do you like it?

Thanks.

>>164501836
>What is the most unused ship in general?
probably a tie between the abaddon, punisher, stabber, corax and other really bad ships for both solo and fleet purposes

>>164501998
>application vs what? I guess vs something that means you're correct? no I didn't, because that would be dumb

you are still dumb and I am still right

going max application all the time is babby shit, you probably unironically fly fleets of rapid caracals

>but we need to or we'll apply less dps to this ship that has 5k ehp

>>164501793
>so your applied dps is massive without gimping
If you think 2 paints and a rigor just to apply 90%+ your dps to cruisers is ok and isn't a gimp fit you're even more retarded

RLML's apply 100% their damage to cruisers with no issues who are you kidding.

You don't even play the game to even know why no one uses HML's because they're shit dps and shit application

>>164502264
if you think reloading all the time is ok just because you're too lazy to fit any webs or painters then enjoy losing all those fights shitter

>>164502084
>1. What makes a citadel good for clone swapping (how to choose the best citadel for the job)?
the one you trust the most and is cheaper

>2. Clone service gets disabled / citadel goes boom. What happens to clone / implants?
stuck forever if disabled, don't know what happens if citadel dies in k-space, in w-space everything inside including pods will go byebye

>3. Docking privileges revoked. What happens to clone / implants?
stuck forever

>4. Any other risks / quirks related to jump clones + citadels combo that I should be aware of?
not really

>5. How worth doing is it in the end? Do you do it? How do you like it?
I like it and its worth it because I trust the citadel owners, I wouldn't trust random public citadels with pods worth more than 100mil tho.

>>164502251
>you are still dumb and I am still right
You aren't right about anything. You contested that HML's were magically not bad because you had a 50% TP bonus but you still lost 60% of your 180dps in a bellicose with HML's even with the TP against a common ship like a t3d.

>going max application all the time is babby shit, you probably unironically fly fleets of rapid caracals
Yea because rapid caracals are superior to retarded gimped HML bellicoses

>we need to apply DPS otherwise the target won't die

somoza calle

No one runs Heavy Missile Caracals ever

>>164502084
>1. What makes a citadel good for clone swapping (how to choose the best citadel for the job)?
A citadel that's likely to stick around is good for this. The ones next door to tradehubs with PLEX orders in them are a good bet.

>2. Clone service gets disabled / citadel goes boom. What happens to clone / implants?
If services get disabled you can still jump to the clone, but can't install a new one. If the citadel is destroyed your clone is lost.

>3. Docking privileges revoked. What happens to clone / implants?
You can still jump to the clone remotely, but can't dock in the citadel.

>5. How worth doing is it in the end? Do you do it? How do you like it?
If you PvP a lot swapping clones with no cooldown is great. I keep an empty pod and a learning clone in my corp's home citadel and hop into the empty clone whenever there's PvP where I have a chance of being podded, and use the learning clone otherwise. If you like tryhard implants then it's even more useful.

>>164502395
RLMLs do more DPS even with accounting for reload time you dumb bastard

>>164502395
>if you think reloading all the time is ok

It is, because RLML's even with the reload do more applied DPS in virtually every single case than HML's do.

>too lazy to fit webs
My bellicose isn't going to brawl stupid ass that'd be suicide.

>losing all the fights

I win more fights because I do more damage because I chose superior weapon systems on superior ships. I don't lose more fights because I didn't choose garbage ships with garbage weapon systems

Go ahead take out your retarded HML what ever fleet because if its not HML cerbs your fleet is going to get shit on by literally everything

>30 seconds doing nothing is ok because paper dps xd

>>164502408
>>3. Docking privileges revoked. What happens to clone / implants?
>stuck forever
You can still jump to a clone, even if docking privileges are revoked. Just once you undock you're out forever.

>>164502641
I'm still doing more DPS than HML's would even with a reload

>>164502413
HML caracals aren't used for the DPS m8, they are used for the range and even then they are just a stepping stone til you can get into a cerb for even more range on the HML.

BTW no one uses the cerb HMLs for the DPS they do it because if you have 250 cerbs in a fleet you can kill a deathstar POS/ citadel in relative safety. because of their range.

>>164502540
>I win more fights because I do more damage because I chose superior weapon systems on superior ships. I don't lose more fights because I didn't choose garbage ships with garbage weapon systems

How about all the fights you lose out on because people choose to not engage your Gayrmur

>>164502752
if they don't take the fight he doesn't lose
if they take the fight he has a higher chance of winning

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>high sec pvp
>high sec "mercenaries"

>>164502413
I'm right about everything

>against a common ship like a t3d

I'm sure you've put it in tiny sig mode and fitted an afterburner. who fucking cares, they have like 5-10k ehp. you're so bad that you have to gimp your entire fleet because you don't know that you can fit multiple tps or webs, or just still kill stuff with reduced dps, because who fucking cares it's a destroyer

>No one runs Heavy Missile Caracals ever

top tier argument

>>164502540
>every single case

every time you have to add in something like this. and it's just you being shit at tp/web, and/or spending all your time hunting solo frigates

>My bellicose isn't going to brawl stupid ass that'd be suicide.

you don't fit webs on the bellicose you retard, it's going to be at 50-60 with paint and hml

do you do this for other weapons?

>well my frigate does more dps than your cruiser because it has more application
>look at your applied dps vs this interceptor
>there I proved it, smaller ships are superior

>>164502641
You really don't think me as an FC is coordinating reloads at specific intervals when I can? Are you retarded you think I just let my fleet reload all the time at their will? fuck that

>ok guys reload to this ammo now
>*kite the fleet away*
>*come back in*
>primary on this guy and this guy
>after that primary this guy
>ok lets pull away reload back to this ammo

>>164502701
>HML caracals aren't used for the DPS m8, they are used for the range and even then they are just a stepping stone til you can get into a cerb for even more range on the HML.
HML Caracals are NEVER used, no one has ever used HML Caracals since late 2012 after the drake purge.

>>164502752
Who fucking cars I only take fights on people who want to fucking fight me. I don't take fights I know I'll lose. The same way everyone else doesn't take fleets they think they'll automatically lose

>>164502919
TEST, Goons, PH, and FCON all have HML caracals to supplement pilots that don't ahve enough SP for a cerb

>>164502851
Getting a fight but losing is better than roaming around for hours killing nothing but cynos and plexfarmers whose bot malfunctioned and left them AFK on a gate.

>well we coordinated our entire fleet to do no dps for 40 seconds at the same time, so it somehow doesn't count or something

>>164503020
Pilots without SP don't count as pilots.

>>164502408
>>164502425
Thanks guys.
Considering it because I'm exploring on the side in bubble-space, and no cooldown for swapping between poddable / learning clone seems like a great deal.

>If the citadel is destroyed your clone is lost.
So I need at least the minimum awareness regarding citadel siege-state.
Fortunately this is easily doable (just undocking once a day should be enough, right?)

>Clone service gets disabled / Docking privileges revoked
So which one is it? Stuck forever or still able to jump to it?

>>164502668
Can someone confirm this?
My learning pod is expensive. Even a tiniest chance of it getting stuck forever makes me shiver.

>>164503020

Doesn't mean the HML caracal is good, just that its better than not taking the guy, or having him fly a t1 frig.

>>164502893
>an afterburner.
There was no AB on that confessor

>they have 5-10k EHP
You're so clueless, they have 25k EHP in defense mode.

>just fit multiple TP's
the t3d's are still speed tanking against the explosion velocity.

>every time you have to add in something like this. and it's just you being shit at tp/web, and/or spending all your time hunting solo frigates
I don't hunt solo frigs faggot, nice projection.

>the Bellicose is at 50-60
it can't target beyond 53, its not going to hang out at its targetting range stupid ass. Its also not gonna fit HML's because it only gets like 200dps and its losing 80% of that because of poor application even with TP's Stop making shit up you've NEVER FC'd or anything.

>>well my frigate does more dps than your cruiser because it has more application
I didn't say this, this is about missiles on cruisers, not frigates vs cruisers, stop making shit up

>interceptor
my RLML's will rape an interceptor, your drones and HML's won't do shit to it.

>>164503020
No they don't. There is no HML doctrine for caracals for PH or Goons, Test ALWAYS uses RLML caracals. Goons had a HML Cerb doctrine but they abandoned that, No one lets a HML caracal come because it can't keep up with a Cerb, don't have the range of the Cerbs that only operate at 100km and can't even target that far.

They've NEVER brought HML caracals to anything for "supplemental" shit.

>>164503048
our fleet has a wider engagement profile with RLML's and we still do more DPS even with reloads

>FCON
can't speak for retarded russians but at least they're smart enough to not use HML caracals.

>>164503280
I know that's how it was in outposts, but considering that Citadels can go kaboom I don't know.

If you're concerned about your learning clone being vaporized, stash it in a station/outpost and keep it out of a citadel.

>>164503020
>TEST, Goons, PH, and FCON all have HML caracals
What? Where do you get this shit? None of these alliances have HML caracal doctrines as supplement for HML Cerbs. PH doesn't fly any T2 doctrine. Where do you get this shit?

>>164503390
>the t3d's are still speed tanking against the explosion velocity.
If your explosion radius is smaller than their sig it will make up for any missing explosion velocity you have.

>>164503670
Except it obviously doesn't because THEY'RE STILL SPEED TANKING so bad your DPS is still less than half

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>>164503020
>PH

>>164503949
>tfw in horde
>tfw can't use any of the corp fits because short on both CPU and PG
>tfw have to train for 30 years of fitting skills
man

>>164503949
>-73pg
>no arbalest

>>164504156
CPU management and PG management 5 both take like 4 days dude, Weapon upgrades and AWU to 4 takes like 2 and 4 days respectively

>>164504156
stop being a fucking poor and pay the sub

>>164503745
If you have, let's say, 25 explosion radius and are shooting a target with 50 signature radius, it effectively doubles your explosion velocity. Doesn't work the other way around though.

This (and the fact that Rigors flat out give better stats than Flares) means that shit that reduces your explosion radius takes priority over shit that increases your explosion velocity.

It also means that Target Painters also directly reduce the effectiveness of speed tanking.

>>164503745
>>164503390
>the t3d's are still speed tanking against the explosion velocity.
>Except it obviously doesn't because THEY'RE STILL SPEED TANKING so bad your DPS is still less than half

it sounds like you don't understand how damage application works, recommend you stop posting

>I don't hunt solo frigs faggot, nice projection.

it's not a projection, it's the only explanation I could come up with for such retarded behaviour

>it can't target beyond 53

you can increase your targeting range

>Stop making shit up you've NEVER FC'd or anything.

I have, and fix your apostrophes please

not going ot keep reading - so damage application, it's up to you to apply damage. when you come here and moan about how it's not high enough the weapon is shit, to me it just sounds like you're a shitty pilot or fc and need to get good

>>164504239
>0 skills alt

>>164504328
>If you have, let's say, 25 explosion radius and are shooting a target with 50 signature radius, it effectively doubles your explosion velocity. Doesn't work the other way around though.

Thats not how it works

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missile_Damage

Even if you bloom the sig radius up REALLY REALLY high you can still speed tank missiles. Its why T2 rage torps on pheonixs can't do shit to a slow boating archon even if the archons sig is like 12k

>>164504405
>posts evidence where a confessor speed tanks despite having a huge sig bloom
>no you just don't understand how it works

fuck off faggot thats not how it works

>thats not a projection
you didn't have any argument so you just said I hunt solo frigs because you're so insecure you can't even retort properly so you made up some shit you think I'm doing AKA a fucking projection.

>you can increase your targetting range
I'm not wasting a bellicose's mids for a sebo just so it can hang out at 60km. thats retarded.

>I have
>fix your apostrophes
No argument so you go after grammar. You're so out of ammo its ridiculous.

>I'm not gonna keep reading
yea because you're retarded and you got BTFO because you made up some dumb shit because you don't know fuck all

>>164503407
But that means 19-24 hours of training lost on every clone swap!
The choices! Argh!

I'll try to dig deeper for answers.

>>164504449
arbalest is better on the cpu

>>164504731
>Thats not how it works

That's exactly how it works. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missile_Damage#Analysis_of_the_Equation

>The equations also show that there is a minimum speed that a ship needs to fly before its velocity can reduce the missile damage at all. If the ship is moving below a specific threshold, the explosion velocity and the speed of the ship do not affect the missile damage. In that case, only the signature radius of the target and the explosion radius of the missile can have an effect, and further decreases in the ship's speed will not increase the damage. However, increases the signature radius can, until the damage reaches 100%.

Reducing your explosion radius (or increasing the sig of the target) will increase the minimum speed a ship has to be travelling for speed to even be considered in the damage calculation. This DOES NOT work the other way around, ie. reducing speed will not cause sig tanking to become less effective.

So yes, if you bloom the sig radius up REALLY REALLY high, speed tanking is eliminated from the equation entirely.

>>164504731
>posts evidence of anon only having 1 tp and no webs
>you're fucking retarded kys
>fuck off faggot thats not how it works

>you didn't have any argument so you just said I hunt solo frigs because you're so insecure you can't even retort properly so you made up some shit you think I'm doing AKA a fucking projection.

all you did was say something dumb and then I mocked you for it. you're insecure more like

>sebo

you can increase your targeting range without using a sebo. you're retarded

>>164505087
jesus what does it matter
if the clone bay goes offline or you get denied access just jump to it and find a new citadel, if it gets attacked you have like a week to evacuate it before the final timer
some of you faggots need to play the game more and shitpost here less

>>164505542
Except thats not what you said

you said it somehow doesn't work backwards except the formula is 100% associative and proportional. radius and velocity go hand in hand, increasing either or should receive the same effect.

>>164505578
>JUST PUT A WEB ON YOUR BELLICOSE
you are retarded, get fucked you loser. Why bring a dedicated webber when I can just use RLML's to do it perfectly. I don't need extra TP's I don't need extra webs, RLML's do everything HML's do bigger better faster stronger.

>you said something dumb so I mocked you for it
so it wasn't an argument, you just default to grammar because thats all you have? You're a fuckin loser.

>sebo

I'm not using a sebo, I'm not using a sigamp, I'm not using a rig, all 3 of those options are retarded. The RLML bellicose is superior to the HML bellicose in every way. Stop trying to justify and advocating for WORSE performance

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>tfw you fly corax in missions

Lets use a Caracal for example, with a character that has all skills maxed:

5 Arbalest RLMLs with faction ammo have a peak DPS of 182.
T2 RLMLs will peak at 203 DPS.
EV ER is 30m and 255m/s

5 Arbalest HMLs with faction ammo have a peak DPS of 163.
T2 HMLs will peak at 181 DPS.
EV ER is 105m and 122m/s

T2 Target Painter only provides a 37.5% signature radius increase to the targeted ship. Obviously 37.5% is not enough to make HMLs hit a fast frigate like a RLML will.
A Bellicose maxes a T2 Target Painter with a 51.6% signature radius increase, still not enough to make HMLs competitive with RLMLs.

These are without any other bonuses, no guidance systems, or DPS boosting rigs. The heavy missiles not only do less damage, but suffer from dramatically reduced damage vs small signature radius ships.
The benefit of HMLs is their innately higher rage, but they are woefully under powered.

Stop recommending them. Stop your delusional ranting. HMLs do not work in any practical sense unless you want a specialized sniping rig that will always be staying at range, and only targeting larger ships/structures.

>>164505973
this is truth

anyone that disputes it is gaypwnd

>>164505973
You're retarded, just bring more TP's and webs christ you guys have never had support in fleet

>>164505856
>JUST PUT A WEB ON YOUR BELLICOSE

I didn't say this

>Why bring a dedicated webber when I can just use RLML's to do it perfectly

the actual question is why fly a rlml bellicose when it's literally just a downgraded caracal with a tp bonus that you won't use

>RLML's do everything HML's do bigger better faster stronger

yeah enjoy those reloads and also less range

>so it wasn't an argument

me calling you a faggot is not an argument, no. you are a faggot though

>The RLML bellicose is superior to the HML bellicose in every way. Stop trying to justify and advocating for WORSE performance

no. worse sustained dps, worse range, wasted bonuses and no reason to fly it over a caracal

>>164505973
>not overheating the painter
your shitty math collapses
HAM bellicose GOAT

>>164506136
>>164506168
>>164506178
lmao gaypwnd

>>164506136
>>164506178
Even if you had a dozen ships painting a target, DPS will still be lower. HMLs do less DPS than RLMLs.
All those slots spent on target painters could be put to use in something more functional like tanking. Target painters do not make a launcher better, they make it less worse.

You are arguing the most retarded point ever.

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>>164505856
>Except thats not what you said

That's exactly what I said. Bloom sig high enough or reduce explosion radius low enough, and even if the target is moving faster than the explosion velocity of the missile they won't be mitigating any damage.

You can test this for yourself in Pyfa. Take a big enough target and even XL Rages will apply perfectly no matter how fast it's moving. However, a small target moving at 0ms will still be mitigating damage just by virtue of being small.

>>164506168
>I didn't say this
You said use a web, I'm talking about a bellicose that was referred to in the video which was solo. You're retarded

>the actual question is why fly a rlml bellicose when it's literally just a downgraded caracal with a tp bonus that you won't use
This just goes back to why I was saying the bellicose and HML's are shit and you shouldn't use them. But you being captain autismo just loathed good shit so you vehemently shilled for HML caracals because you're retarded

>enjoy those reloads
I do more damage than HML's even with the reloads
>less range
63km is more than enough range for Caracal engagement profiles.

>hurr durr ur a faggot, muh apostrophes
you're retarded
>WORSE SUSTAINED DPS
No I do more DPS than HML's even with the reloads. This was proven I have better sustained DPS even with a 40 second reload.

>worse range
I don't need to operate at ranges I can't even target at, 63km RLML's are more than adequate for anything I'm doing which is probably going to be in the 20-40km range anyway.


>>164506406
>10m signature
dude nothing in the game has higher than 20000. The leviathan has the most and the leviathan can still sig tank the T2 rage torps

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>hml is bad

>>164506523
>which was solo

we've been talking about this gang support ship as a gang support ship this entire time, retard. your meme video has no relevance

>But you being captain autismo just loathed good shit so you vehemently shilled for HML caracals because you're retarded

I said it repeatedly. if you want to do rapid memes fly a caracal. there is no reason to put rapid memes on a bellicose unless you cannot fly a caracal

>I do more damage than HML's even with the reloads

yeah because you're so incompetent at damage application, and all you do is hunt frigs and destroyers because you're a shitter

>you're retarded

nice apostrophe

>No I do more DPS than HML's even with the reloads. This was proven I have better sustained DPS even with a 40 second reload.

no, rlml dps with reloads is lower than hml dps

>63km

63 is a caracal. bellicose rlmls are 40something

>>164505757
>if the clone bay goes offline or you get denied access just jump to it and find a new citadel
But how do I know that this is *really* how it works?
It's not like I can ask the citadel owner to lock me out "to test it", or can I risk my clone on what one person says on /eog/.

Spent another half an hour googling and the answer is ever-elusive.
It actually seems that clones are trapped forever should the clone service be disabled.
From official EVE forums, albeit 5 months old.

>>164507182
>I said it repeatedly. if you want to do rapid memes fly a caracal. there is no reason to put rapid memes on a bellicose unless you cannot fly a caracal
There is no reason to put HML's on a caracal at all ever.

>you're just incompetent at damage application
No I'm good at not picking shit weapon systems that need excessive crutches.

>no, rlml dps with reloads is lower than hml dps
see
>>164505973
Even with a reload, RLML's do more damage than HML's

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>HMLs

>>164507213
are we talking about a high ascendancy set here so I can go try and look myself from my citadel and check or just some shitty +4s newfag that is afraid to undock and not worth my time?

>>164507364
>There is no reason to put HML's on a caracal at all ever.

other than higher sustained dps and range

>crutch

rapids are a crutch more like. you're bad at eve so you can only use the broken meme weapon

I'm not looking at that post, I already checked the numbers myself

>>164507582
>other than higher sustained dps and range
>range
they can't target beyond 71km, RLML's work out to 63 and RLML caracals operate from 20-50km. The extra range is pointless for all intents and purposes. HML's on a caracal work out to 90 which is excessive and useless.

>better sustained DPS
this is false. See >>164505973
even with a RLML reload, the RLML's do more sustained DPS

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>>164506523
>dude nothing in the game has higher than 20000. The leviathan has the most and the leviathan can still sig tank the T2 rage torps

How fucking thick are you, did you actually ever pass high school maths? It will scale exactly the same for any combination of values.

Here's a real-world example, this Caracal Navy Issue will apply full damage to a target with 60 sig as long as it's moving slower than 152m/s. A target with 120 sig will have to be moving at 304m/s before it starts mitigating damage by speed. A target with 240 sig will have to be moving 608m/s to speed tank.

Increased sig radius directly makes speed tanking less effective. There is no situation where extra sig/explosion radius would not help you because the target is going too fast; Paints ALWAYS help for missile application no matter the situation.

>>164507582
RLMLs do more DPS, even when accounting for reload times.

>>164507709
>they can't target beyond 71km

you can extend your range

>The extra range is pointless for all intents and purposes

why do you think fleets fit long range stuff all the time then? are they just not as smart as you?

I don't need to read an incorrect post, sorry. sustained hml dps is higher

tfw just destroyed TEST

What are the best areas to explore in null?

>>164507924
>you can extend your range
I'm not wasting a mid, low or rig to increase my range to take advantage of a weapon system that is blatantly inferior to my previous weapon system in every way.

>why do you think fleets fit long range stuff all the time then? are they just not as smart as you?
Caracals are not the ship to use for those purposes then. 60km RLML's on Caracals are long range.enough. If I wanted 100+km operations I'd use a different ship with a different weapon system. Not a fucking caracal with HML's thats retarded

>>164507480
No, it's just a ~1.3b pod so not worth your time.

What I find ridiculous is that there's no real answer to be found anywhere on the internet.
What madness is this? Do people not care about their clone safety?

The feature's been out for 8 months, how is this even possible that people haven't explored it yet.
My bet is it really locks clones out, that's why everybody is so hush-hush about it.

>>164508363
>blatantly inferior to my previous weapon system in every way

yeah except for sustained dps and range

>Caracals are not the ship to use for those purposes then
>Not a fucking caracal with HML's thats retarded

why?

>jump into a fight I have 0 chance of winning
or
>drop my spaghetti everywhere and die

how do I get anywhere

>>164508508
>yeah except for sustained dps and range
>sustained DPS
stop posting this, you are 100% false see >>164505973

>range
I'd rather use RLML Cerbs to get 100km dps than use HML caracals

>>164508719
that post is garbage. hmls have higher sustained dps

>>164508379
you don't have a corp?

>>164509054
One man corp.

>>164509507
why do you do this to yoursefl?

>>164505973
>T2 RLML peak at 203
>T2 HMLs peak at 181

T2 RLML with reload:
>Navy Scourge 196
>Fury Scourge 239

T2 HML with reload:
>Navy Scourge 284
>Fury Scourge 333

So fuck off with your bullshit numbers, an HML Caracal has better sustained but RLML has better burst.

>>164509626
I openly hate people and they generally dislike being hated.
Also known as: anti-social.
Why?

>>164509831
are you siegmund?

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>>164509831

>>164509919
No.
These questions are silly, can we please stop?

>>164509831
>I openly hate people
That's not very nice.

>>164509776
paper dps isn't absolute. In real in game applications the HML's suffer HUGE damage reduction due to their poor application. This is why RLML's are better because they have virtually no application issues in comparison. You can blow a huge load trying to get those HML's to work but the RLML's are out performing you. The HML's lose huge amounts of DPS upwards of 60% on many targets, the RLML's don't see any significant reduction except on AB frigs even then thats not saying much.

RLML's have a hard time applying to:
AB frigs

HML's have a hard time applying to:
all frigs
all interceptors, bombers, etc
all destroyers
all t2 destroyers, all t3 destroyers
AB cruisers

See where this falls apart? See where NO one uses HML's for any purpose except in niche applications where they're usable like HML cerbs at 100km?

>>164510093
anon just join massive corp and nobody will bother you

>>164510219
>RLMLs are good at killing small shit
>HMLs are good at killing mid/large shit

Congratulations, you've discovered something miraculous here.

>>164510238
Nobody bothers me like this either.
Thanks for your concern.

>>164510219
>fly a HML Caracal
>find the nearest RLML Caracal
>kill it 1v1 because you aren't carrying a weapons system designed solely for blapping frigs and nothing else
What now

>>164510473
A RLML caracal would spit more DPS in that amount of time, the HML's would apply so little it'd be fruitless. You've a better shot at flying a HAM caracal which is funny because HAM caracals are used more often than HML caracals

what do you guys think the rlml nerf will be?

I think it'll be something pretty shit like smaller capacity. I'd like to see a total redesign, like have them be a never-bonused secondary weapon made for utility slots, or just delete them entirely

>>164510456
just consider the massive benefits of being in a huge corp
its basically like being a 1st world citizen for free

>>164510637
Knowing CCP. They're going to do one of two things

1. nerf it into the ground, reduce ammo capacity, reduce damage, reduce application, make them worthless for anything other than shitting on frigs

2. nerf them gently because fozzie is a stupid fuck. "-10% damage guys, we think this will totally be balanced"

>>164510637
>what do you think the RLML nerf will be?

I dunno but the amount of tears will be fucking glorious

>What do you mean I don't get to press F1 and win against anything dessy sized and down?
>WAAAAH WAAAAH CCP STOP KILLING THE GAME WAAAAH

>>164510757
I don't know anon, must people I know hate the things.

>>164510741
>make them worthless for anything other than shitting on frigs

I mean, all the "rlmls aren't cancer" faggots always say rlmls are a dedicated anti-frigate weapon. I think having a cruiser with a dedicated anti-frigate weapon is fucking retarded anyway - destroyers exist for a reason, if you just make cruisers into better destroyers then that's gay as shit

>>164510893
If CCP reduced the ammo capacity from 20 to say 15 or even 12 on T2 rapid launchers. They'd only be able to kill frigs because the total damage over 12 shots is so low the only thing with that few hitpoints would be a frig

>people still defend HML after all this time

>>164510893
Wasn't the idea always destroyers counter frigs, cruisers counter destroyers, BC counter cruisers and BS counter BC?

Except now it's cruisers counter everything, BC and BS are memes.

if HMLs and Cruises didn't suck so fucking hard Rapids wouldn't even be a thing

>>164511060
BC and BS are just slower tanky cruisers.

>>164511060
Not really. CCP wanted transparency between layers. They didn't want any one class of ship to shit on every single other one. Cruisers can be countered by good destroyer fleets that get under their guns.

Basically CCP wanted one class to be good at hitting another class of the same caliber and have limited range above and below tiers

>>164510680
I don't think they are massive in a nothing-asked-of-you corp.
Usually it's a give nothing, get nothing kind of deal.

>>164510990
why do we need an anti-frig thing? frigs get fucking destroyed by everything because webs are so powerful and drones are crazy. have a rapid/ancillary reloady weapon if you like, but if it's on a cruiser it should have cruiser application and ideally not massively reduced fitting

>>164511060
yes. there is no barely any damage mitigation in eve outside of oversized prop faggot fits, all ships are just ehp because everything has silly damage application

>>164511097
cruises don't suck, and hmls only suck compared to medium beams/rails/arties since they got a +30% dps buff

>>164510680
This desu
Got blapped by a Cerberus fleet in my 16mil uninsured vexor yesterday, got 5m insurance and 20m from corp

>>164505328
Yeah, but it's the default corp fit, probably because these are cheaper.

wait so why can't you plex as an alpha?

>>164513435
because op is a faggot

>>164513435
You're shit

Plexing before you're set up with a solid income stream is a meme.

>>164513435
You can. You just got memed.

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>>164513581
>solid income stream
>alpha

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>tfw you got 115 Elite Drone AIs today

>>164513940
thats it?
I make that kind of money in an hour doing L5s

>tfw autism and can't decide on what theme to use

Minmatar I is nice because it's neither ugly bright green nor too dark

Amarr themes have nice yellow but the contrast is high, makes the black look really fucking black.
Carbon is cool but it's too grey.
Plasma is too blue.

What do?
Right now using Mordu's Legion