/meg/ - Mass Effect General

>>163955492
Tali best girl

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Terrible OP

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Lewd admirals?

More Vetra info when?

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I can finally post mass-effect themed reaction image.
But it won't last.
Because we'll soon reach the image limit.

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hope you guys have a comfy night. I know I will

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>>163955914
>mass-effect themed reaction images
i wish i had more

I have a question for you meg. In a convention a few years ago, Mac was asked about returning characters in the new ME game and long story short, he said that asking for more of the old characters is attachment and attachment to fictional characters is bad. What is your stance on the matter?

>>163956120
If we don't get attached to characters, the creator of those characters failed.

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Good, you opened this message

People like you are a cancer; rats infesting the once hallowed halls of /meg/. I am the chemo that will remove that cancer. When I am done, we will finally return this general to its former glory. Heh..... hope you.... enjoyed youre little general..... because i've come to end it. Say goodnight..... KIDDO

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>>163956097
I wish we can post images.

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>>163956120
i don't thinks it's bad if it makes sense and is done right.

what would be bad is liara showing up in Andromeda.

what was done right was when Wrex took back his place as the Urdnot chieftain

but there's no problem is getting attached to characters. this guy >>163956371 is right.

i think he was referring to weirdos who obsess over characters and make porn of them

>>163956371
But Mac said we shouldn't and that attachment is bad. That's why he's taking as as far away from the old characters, to save us and introduce his brand spanking new and improved characters, right?

>>163956662
>That's why he's taking as as far away from the old characters
no he was making up a bullshit explanation for his new game because bioware fucked up so badly with ME3

>>163956371
>>163956120
Everything need to strike a happy medium. I agree that if we don't grow attached to characters, then the creators of said characters have failed to make players connect, but too much attachement leads to the impossibility for those character to have any sort of character development because it would alienate the fanbase.
If people get too attached to a particular character, then they would get mad if that particular character somehow change, be it through character development, change of design or even death.

>>163956593
>i think he was referring to weirdos who obsess over characters and make porn of them
I only got interested in MKX after the tons of Cassie Cage porn, so I wouldn't say porn is hurting the games. I'm sure other people feel the same.

>>163956885
Depends on the quality of said porn, I'd say. Same with all fan creation, really.
If the porn is good, then it will bring people to the game because they could grow curious about it.
If the porn is bad or out-there, people will get creeped out by someone else weird fetishes.
Tho the ability to decide what is good or what is bad as to do with someone's taste, I think.

>>163956786
>then they would get mad if that particular character somehow change, be it through character development, change of design
Liara changed immeasurably in terms of character and nobody batted an eye. Jack changed in personality as well as looks and people loved that as well.

I am not particularly fond of character deaths as, in my opinion, that destroys the potential of said character and should be avoided at all costs, unless their death is pivotal or sensible to the narrative. Otherwise you get something like Thane's death in ME3, which is comically bad.

>>163957240
There will always be the creeps that are into weird fetishes and want to see that with characters. If you're going to start with that assumption in mind, you don't begin writing any characters, at all, ever.

>>163957649
Love it

>>163957537
Liara and Jack changed, but not all people were pleased about it. I remember people being put off by Liara not being the naive science girl she was in ME1. It all depends with your potential audience ability to accept change and see it as good opportunity, to be able to let go of old things and accept new things.

Creeps are creeps, there will always be creeps, but if your first contact with a license is through creepy porn, I don't think it would make a nice first impression. I could be making assumption, tho, and I'm also guilty of making porn writefaggotry in the setting of ME.

>>163957832
I liked how they mellowed out Jack, although I've only ever romanced Jack so it always made sense to me

I actually romanced Liara in ME1 and was completely put off by new ruthlessly ambitious attitude in me2. so you got a point there

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>Kaileng poster posting cute fan-art and diverse piece of artwork.
>Kaileng poster not jumping at other people's throat like a rabid dog.
>Kaileng poster doing God's work and not imagedumping too harshly yet

I'm 100% behind you, Kailengposter.
For now

>>163957832
>I remember people being put off by Liara not being the naive science girl she was in ME1
I don't remember such a thing

>but if your first contact with a license is through creepy porn
then you are probably hanging around a specific creepy porn place, for said creepy porn to begin with. Which makes you a creepy perv.

Creepy porn is hard to come by. You don't just stumble on it, even on regular porn sites. You need to know where to look for that shit, just to get past the vanilla stuff.

>>163958231
So far so good

>>163958231
>Kaileng poster doing God's work and not imagedumping too harshly
Hes literally posting at the same pace

>>163955778
Ugh

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>>163955492
the OPs get worse and worse, seriously. if you sacrifice your time to make one, at least put some fucking effort into it
>inb4 why didn't you make one then
been off all day, just came back

>Kaidanposting turned to Kai Leng posting
excellent!

>>163958089
Pleasing everyone is an impossible task for any creator, and the more a project gets famous and big, the more divisive it can become if something goes wrong with its reception.
Audience tends to get a sense of ownership over a work's content : they tends to gets a sense of "belonging", especially in RPGs and wide-open sandboxes where choices are important. For example you never says "I made Shepard choose this instead of that", you say "I choose this instead of that".
Things tends to get heated when the audience vision for a world clash with the author vision of the world. The "what should be for me to enjoy it" versus the "what should be for me to enjoy creating it."

I don't know, maybe I'm pretty naive.
Also apologies for the bad english, it's hard to explain.

>>163958662
Are you trying to discourage people from starting new threads or what?

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>>163958956
It's a shit OP

>>163959186
What's bad about it anyway?

>>163959186
What's a good OP then?
>inb4 "not this!"

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>>163959321
Not this

>>163958898
If you don't know how to please your audience, the one that has been playing your games for nearly 20 years now, then maybe you shouldn't do the whole "your choices matter" thing. Especially when you're not going to have those choices matter, either way, because you're going to cut corners and avoid the work, by offering cop outs. But, in my opinion, Bioware already knew all of that, they just decided to go "fuck it".

>>163958956
No, but I am trying to discourage people from doing fucking terrible OPs. Is it that hard to read that out of my post?

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>>163959276
It's lazy with nothing in it. There's been all kinds of new news and developments that could be in there for instance

>>163959594
>>163959276

>>163958898
I get what you are trying to say. That's the problem with RPGS and the like. If it's good people have an emotional connection which is the problemost but also the desired outcone and that can lead to conflict as people's emotions and feelings differ from that of the creators

So this is your new job now is it, Quietposter? Still as autistic as ever I see.

>>163959781
>Quietposter
What have I missed?

>>163959321
>>163959718
We have a plethora of collages readily available, which have become our trademark, but for the last 1-2 weeks we only had those retarded shit images as OPs.
A link to them is in the pastebin.

>bitch to make someone make an OP because you are lazy
>someone makes it but you don't like it
>bitch some more

>>163959825
This is the first time I've ever come to this general, and I immediately recognised the posting style of the guy image dumping this thread to death, because he did exactly the same thing to /mgg/ with pictures of the character Quiet. For some reason he thinks it's his duty to 'kill off' ailing generals, even though the generals he decides need purging are no less active than many others on the board.

Basically he's fucking cancer that should have been permabanned long ago, and if there was a button in front of me that ended his life I'd press it.

>>163959516
I think that in the ME trilogy, choices mattered on a smaller scale. Characters can be present or dead and have to be replaced, some sidequests needs a specific person (Legion and Tali have to be both alive to broker peace), to be alive and be dealt with a certain way (Gianna will only kiss a male shepard that helped her on Noveria). The scene in ME3 where Kai Leng tries to assassinate the Salarian councilior goes to multiple checks : The first one determine which councilior is attacked (old one or new one), second determine Thane from ME2 is alive (if yes, assassination fails), third one determine if Kirahe from ME1 is alive (if yes, assassination fails.) If both Thane and Kirrahe are dead then the assassination is successful and either the old or new councilior dies.

If I compare another RPG trilogy where you have choices but they don't even matter on the small scale is when in the Witcher 3 there is absolutely no indication that Geralt helped the Scoia'tel in W1, helped Iorveth in W2, he still have to deal with Roche. Saskia's fate is never adressed in game. The Striga princess fate is never adressed.

On one side, ME trilogy got so bloated with having to have repercussion for multiple small-scale and big-scale choices that it got too big without having to resort to a cop-out.
On the other side, W trilogy do not adress any choices and give a streamline experience.

Finding a right balance is pretty hard, I think.

>>163959996
Took far too long to figure out it's that one guy. Just ignore.

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>>163960147
Quiet a shit. Fuck off to your shit general

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>>163959996
I wasn't here, I couldn't make it. else we would have had a proper one.

>>163960017
what is that monster on the left?
femshep? sounds about right

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>>163960585

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>>163960147
Youre retarded. We don't need even more retarded rapefugees here, begone.

>>163959737
You also have to take into account the new players that can get into a lore-heavy game. You need to explain to them who they are, what they did in the games they missed and why they should care. If you don't, you risk alienating the new player-base that don't want to have to buy 2 games or read 3 books just to understand why this character is important and close to the main character.

And you also have to deal with the fact that a game, like any creation, has an end. Having to deal with endings, having to deal with the loss of the character you get emotionally attached too is hard to deal with.
It's the feeling you get when you look at the last blank page of a book you really like, that empty feeling that there is no going back, nothing to look forward anymore, no possibility to change things, no possibility to experiment that book the first time again. It's a very hard feeling to deal with and it can leads to disapointement if you feel like there should have been more, or that it should have been something different.
The more a work inspire its audience, the harder it is for the audience to deal with its inevitable loss.

>>163960585
Raiden from Metal Gear Rising Revengerance

>>163960746
Fuck me, forgot the one thing you must always include https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3472Q6kvg0

>>163960682
>>163960865
>>163961040

Thanks for proving me right. I knew you were too weak to resist kaidanposting. >>163955736

>>163960154
>I think that in the ME trilogy, choices mattered on a smaller scale
But they are so superficial and shallow. Someone else taking up a previous character's place is not resolution or a culmination. It's a stand-in, a cop-out. Similarly, the choices that had some effect are so underwhelming and totally not worthy of the hype Bioware built the games up for.

The Striga princess' fate is addressed in TW2. You actually meet her, if she is alive, if only in passing. I do not remember much of the games to state you true or false on the other choices. I have yet to play TW3. I am not particularly fond of the games.

Not being able to manage the choices you had implemented in your games shows lack of insight, problem in management or even worse, intentional false advertisement in order to sell your game. These are all problems on the side of the developer.

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>>163961354
I'm not the kaidanposter though

At least not the original one you're talking about. But now you just encouraged me to continue his legacy

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>>163961912

>>163961416
Maybe it's a problem of scope, then ? Having a character taking up a previous character's place may be a stand-in or cop-out, but it's still a choice that is adressed in game. That character will have different lines, have a different interaction. Even if the stand-in role is similar of that of an old character, its very presence if the consequence of a choice made.

I do agree that a big problem is how a game is hyped. "Your choice matters" can be interpreted as either "you can have two different game depending of your choice" or as "you can make the story change a little bit depending on your choices, and which character like or doesn't like you".

Making a game where every single choice matters would be an impossible task. It would require having to take into account every single decision and respond in accordance to it, making people alienated if they don't get hte consequence they wanted.

Then again, the audience's reception to how choices are handled depends entirely on the audience wants about a game. You cannot please everyone, and how you handle the choices of your game will make one guy like it, another guy hate it and another guy wonder why his choice wasn't handled in the game

Most of ME choices were adressed in one way or another in the games on a smaller-scale : with the presence of a character or its stand-in, with the presence of an e-mail or not. Sure, those choice can be underwhelming, but they are still there, and bioware probably didn't had the time or the budget to adress every player choice.

>>163961527
His legacy was to Kaidanpost in response to waifufags imagedumping the thread, in trying to make people talk about other things than waifus. It had a meaning, if misguided.
You're just being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt. You have no purpose other than making the thread reach the image limit. Enjoy being a cunt, cunt.

>>163960682
...did his asshole crew write their names on his skin graft?

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>>163962385
My purpose is to annoy you, and only you.

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>Played MS2 before the others
>Decide to restart from 1
>Loyal to Cerberus, actually thought they were the good guys
>Finds out leader was cucked by the reapers
>Get raped by blue aliens twice
>The only blue alien worth a shit that rules Omega doesnt give two fucks about my character
>The crew suffers from the homosexes

Its all fucked!

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>kai leng poster posted new images and fan art I never saw before.
>kaidan poster is just reposting the same exact images from last thread.

At least Kai Leng was original in his shitposting.

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You had been brought into Cerberus to help humanity because of your skills in the medical profession. Not that you were bad at fighting, you just prefered to help from the background. After all, you weren't against Aliens (even after the first contact wars), you just wanted to do your part. Even if that meant leaving Earth and living on a strange planet. This is where you met an intriguing young man named Kai Leng. Full of spirit and determination, you couldn't help admire him. Years in service and school had taught you how to maintain a professional appearance, but nothing could stop the butterflies you got each time you saw him. You saw a lot of him, of course, something you weren't sure whether to be happy or concerned about. A part of you even wanted to smack him upside the head. After all, there was trying to get better... and being just plain stupid.

>>163960686
The last thing you need to concern yourself at the finale of a trilogy, is alienating new players. They alienated themselves by not starting it. But if that is your concern, then why make a trilogy to begin with?

It isn't so much as dealing with loss, as much as abusing it to draw emotion. When your 20 hour game has more deaths in 3 hours of dialogue and exposition, than the entire season of game of thrones, then yes, you're abusing it.

What you go on to describe here, is the feeling after a good experience. After ME3, I wanted to go to best buy and ask for a refund for my pirated copy.

If I knew then how bad it was, you wouldn't be able to pay me to play it.

Sighing, you finished with your last patient and tossed the gloves in the garbage as the next Doctor came in. "So, your boyfriend come in today?" she teased, pulling on a set of gloves. Your face flushed red and you left the room quickly, leaving her laughing behind you. It didn't help that she was your best friend, and a very observant one at that. Though the fact you had found your diary had been disturbed had given away the fact she had read it. You headed down the street to your shared apartment, rolling your eyes as you wondered if anything was sacred. You liked to write down your thoughts, there was just something about writing with pen and paper instead of on your computer. Of course, being this deep in thought, you weren't paying too much attention to your surroundings and almost got hit by a guy who ran a red light, saved only by someone yanking you back.

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>>163962849
Fuck, my image!

>>163962647
Good job cunt, you're doing great.
I will now ask you nicely to please stop posting Kaidan as we already have four thread in a row where the image limit is reached under 400 posts.
Please stop Kaidanposting the same image from last thread as to leave some place for new images to be posted.

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Turning to thank your savior, your face paled as you saw Kai Leng who looked a cross between angry and concerned. "What were you thinking?! You could have been killed!" he shouted and your eyes watered. You weren't weak by any stretch, you dealt with much that many couldn't face... but somehow this struck deep. "I'm sorry... and thanks," you mumbled, turning back around and hurrying across the street before the light could turn red for you. "(Y/n)!" you heard him call but you didn't slow down, you moved faster. You had to get home, away from him, away from the emotions causing turmoil inside. You were grateful, hurt, and still tangled in the web his eyes wrapped you in. Just a few more blocks..."(Y/n) will you please stop? I'm sorry ok, you just had me so scared..." your steps slowed at this confession. Kai Leng had been scared? He wasn't scared of anything, from being badly injured to the painful healing process that inevitably followed.

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He caught up in your hesitation, and turned you to face him. "That guy could have killed you!" the desperation in his voice made your heart race. He really HAD been worried about you. But why? You were nothing special, and he was... amazing! If foolish and prone to putting himself at risk. "Doesn't seem to stop you from putting yourself in dangerous situations," you retorted as you began to walk towards your apartment again. He matched his pace with yours, not willing to let up. "That's me, not you." "And there's a difference?" "Yeah, I couldn't live without you..." his voice trailed off and you froze... did he just say what you think he did? A small blush appeared on his cheeks, turning brighter as you didn't say anything. "I... sorry... I understand if you don't..." you silenced him with a kiss that surprised you both. Pulling away, you were about to start running when he did the unexpected. He grabbed your hand and pulled you back into his arms, claiming your lips in a tender kiss.

>come to /meg/
>same shit all over again
See ya tomorrow guys and autists

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>>163963072
Not with that attitude!

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Unable to help yourself, you melted into his embrace, wrapping your arms around his neck... your last coherent thought was how unprofessional this was. Throwing caution to the wind, you accepted that this was real and there was no use denying it. From that moment on, you were a couple. You took better care of yourself and paid more attention to your surroundings, Kai Leng started coming in with less serious wounds, and your friend/roommate refused to let any opportunity pass without teasing you about him. It wasn't any of her business, and that more... private side of your life... you surrendered to your computer. It was safe there... well at least safer than it was if you wrote in your diary. After discovering your diary had been read, you had started writing "Dear (F/n)" instead of "Dear Diary" since the odds were higher that she would care about what was in it. Of course shortly after you started writing like that, you discovered your diary was no longer disturbed. Smiling to yourself, you thought of Kai Leng and how much your life had improved since he had become a real part of it.

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A Rumor:

>>163955916
That herpes mark is unsettling.

>>163962726
Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I had a good time with ME3 and even though the endings were fine, even pre-extended cut. I never have much expectations for videogames, I'm often content with what a games has to offer and come back to it if I enjoyed it. I had a good experience with ME3 but that's a personal experience, not a critical one.

I think it all depends on your approach to gaming and content-creation in general : do you seek to have a fulfilling ending or the journey to it is enough for you to enjoy ? Do you prefer having a clear-cut ending with no loose ends or to leave some things unresolved and unanswered, to keep people guessing ? Do you want to have a good end, or do you want to have the good means to it ?

There is no right or wrong answer, I think. Everything has to do with how you approach things critically and what do you expect to gain or enjoy from a piece of work.

Abusing emotions is the bread and butter of any content creator. Entertainement-making is a job, and you have to manipulate your audience into having the emotion you want them to experience for your work.

If you know how in advance if you will enjoy something or not, then it takes out of your ability to be surprised. Entertainement will always be a gamble in my eyes. That's why making everyone happy is an impossible task.

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You sat at your computer, running a hand through your hair. Sure you didn't have to deal with paper, but it was no less aggravating. You couldn't believe how you got stuck with this job, all because you "accidentally" destroyed a science facility and let the "test subjects" escape. The company you had once devoted your whole being to had changed drastically in the last few years... not quite to the point where you wanted to quit, but you were seriously beginning to make that move. It wasn't a smart move, you couldn't deny that. After all, despite not being a part of the science and experiment sector, you would still be considered a danger to the cause if you left. "I haven't seen you look so down since you got saddled with this desk job," a familiar voice broke your thoughts and brought a smile to your face. "Kai!" you squealed, leaping up from your seat and throwing yourself into his welcoming his arms. No, you weren't dating... yes you had a major crush on him (not that he needed to know that)... but you had been friends forever.

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"Good to see you too," he teased, a grin on his handsome face. "So when they letting you out?" he asked when you pulled away and returned to your chair. At the question, you groaned and your head hit the desk. "Don't even ask. I'm lucky they even give me time to keep my biotics in condition, they seem bound and determined to keep me in this cell," you gestured at the room you were stationed in. All the looks of a luxury room, all the cold atmosphere of a cell. Yes, you had been in your share of cells and didn't like any of the experiences. But that had been when you were willing to give your all for the cause. This... this was ridiculous. "It can't be all that bad," Kai Leng replied, settling in a chair across your desk from you. You rolled your eyes and opened your mouth to make a smart remark when he smirked. "Though the idea of you being bound..." Your face invented a new shade of red and you buried your face in your arms. He didn't think of you that way... he couldn't, could he?

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>>163963469
Please, stop. I'm actually serious.
I just want to see new images and not beeing locked out of posting images of my own because the image limit is reached. Please understand that kaidanposting is getting old and that it's not funny anymore. Let Kai Leng imagedump his thing, at least his stuff is new and fresh.

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"Nice look for you (N/n)," Kai Leng said with a grin and you let out a growl in response. "I hate you," you muttered, not looking up. "Oh come on, you don't mean that." You sensed him come around the desk and stand beside you. You looked up at him, having controlled the coloring and were no longer red. "Ugh, go away Kai Leng," you said in annoyance. There was one thing you hated more than what Cerberus had started doing to innocent civilians (not that you approved of it for anybody), and that was someone making fun of your emotions. He flinched at the fact you used his full name and his head bowed. Sighing, you stood up and moved close to him, resting your head against his strong chest. "Sorry Kai, just..." you paused from admitting your feelings and pulled back, shaking your head. He looked up and over at you, a small smile on his lips. "So the rumors weren't entirely false," he murmured, following your retreat. "What rumors?" you asked, pausing slightly in confusion. You hadn't heard any rumors, but then you didn't really pay much mind to anything that didn't involve work. You had long since discovered that the more you tried to defend yourself against rumors, the stronger the rumors got.

>>163962161
It is definitely a problem of scope. Introducing a character, just so they can bite the bullet in someone else's stead is a cop-out. If Thane is dead, then have the Dalatrass actually assassinated. Then, because of the ongoing Reaper crisis, the Salarians don't have someone at the ready to replace her. This causes problems to the relations between the council races and the Salarians, which impacts the overall war effort. That is a repercussion that matters. Having Jordan Baum or what his name was die instead, well, what kind of repercussion is that? I don't give two shits about Jordan Baum, because I have no attachment to him.

Making a game where every choice matters is hard, true, but there should be pivotal moments where important choices should be made, that do drastically change your game experience. But when those choices are relegated to sidelining the ME2 characters and offering stand-ins for the ones that died ... who cared?

Yes, all where addressed, in the most effortless way possible. Emails. I spend hours at work reading emails. What makes anyone think I want to read emails in a video game? On the bright side, every time I start up Outlook Express, I think I'm playing Mass Effect! I am exaggerating of course, as you can tell, but isn't it a ludicrous notion? That we would like to read emails about things instead of playing them out?

And again, lack of time and a bigger budget is a problem on the developer's side.

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"Well it's going around that you had feelings for me, and that you were even bedding me," he replied, taking advantage of your pause as he closed the distance between the two of you. Your face paled and only his arms going around your waist kept you from hitting the floor. "Are you alright (N/n)?" he asked with concern, helping you to the loveseat that had been placed in your room. "Isn't there anybody else they can mess with? It's not like I'm that big of a deal, I don't see what I've done to get all this..." you grumbled, about to get up but he gently pushed you down. "No, you should rest. I can finish your work," he offered as he started to get up. This time it was you who pushed him down. "Oh no you don't. I've seen your work, you are NOT going to mess up what I've completed," you said, shaking your head firmly... immediately regretting it as you felt a bit dizzy. "I'll get you a glass of water," he said, looking at you with concern. "Yeah, that you can do," you agreed, watching him leave the room, admiring the view as he left. You may not get the real thing, but the fantasies were great.

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>>163963969
Very well, cause you asked so nicely this time.

>>163964286
I don't quite believe it

>>163963770
I still feel as if the endings leave a lot to be desired. I personally like a lot of things wrapped up and done. I was more upset at visible instances of laziness like the overuse of sprites, Talis pic, wtc.

Anything new since that game awards video?

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The next thing you knew you were waking up, unaware you had even fallen asleep. It took a moment to take in everything, ironically the last thing being that Kai had carried you to your bed and lay next to you. You could feel his body against your back and his arms around you. How that happened... wait was it still a dream? You pinched yourself to make sure you were awake (which you were) then heard a chuckle behind you. "Yes, you're awake, it's not a dream. Do you have dreams like this often?" he teased. You turned in his arms and opened your mouth to start scolding him, but then his lips claimed yours in a sweet but possessive kiss. When you had to break apart for air, you glared at him half-heartedly. "I hate you," you grumbled, though even YOU knew it sounded less than convincing. You were one of the best when it came to pretense (which was why you were sent on most of the missions that required being a double agent), but Kai Leng had broken through your walls. The best you had been able to do was avoid the subject entirely. Another kiss pulled you back to the present and you found yourself snuggled up against him.

>>163964351
Jesus Christ that 2d models behind those bars in the embassies

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"I don't suppose you know who started these rumors, do you?" you asked, doing your best to sound sweet and innocent, causing him to chuckle again. "I'm afraid not, not that it matters. I wouldn't tell you anyway." You glared at him then pouted. You had been friends forever, why wouldn't he... "Because they got us together," he said, almost as if he could read your mind. Not that it really surprised you. Every now and then it would happen like that, and each time you were thankful it wasn't about your feelings for him. Especially since you had thought about it a lot. "So when am I going to get your attention?" You snapped out of your thoughts and looked into his dark eyes with a smile. "I suppose I could pull an all nighter if I'm going to have some rest in your arms..." you started the kiss this time and you felt the electricity from the connection. Oh how you loved this man. Your anger at the rumor spreader had faded as all thoughts focused on Kai. You turned around again, feeling him pull you back against him before you fell asleep with a smile on your face.

>>163964421
Absolutely nothing

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>>163963691
It's a scar. have you never noticed Jack's scar?

If you look closely you can see it here in this gif

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There was no doubting the fact that war was on the horizon. Or at least, a much more visible war than the one Cerberus had been fighting for about three years. Everyone knew it, but few wanted to accept it.

Shane Shepard found herself sitting in the corner of a popular bar on the Citadel. It was filled to the brim, and she could see a lot of Alliance personnel. Not really unexpected, really, given part of the Alliance fleet was stationed at the Citadel.

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Her eyes were closed and she almost seemed to be sleeping. Rather, it allowed her to focus more on hearing everything around her. Her ears had always been sensitive. The cybernetic enhancements only made her hearing that much better. Sometimes she swore she had the hearing of a canine now.

In a booth across from her sat a couple of turians, an asari, and half a dozen humans. They all seemed to be good friends visually, but their words told a different story.

Eventually the turians got fed up with their human companions and they stormed off. That was Shane's cue and she got to her feet to quietly follow them out. One of them was someone she had been ordered to eliminate. She followed him through the streets of the lower wards. Eventually they were in an alley.

"I have been waiting for Cerberus to turn their attention on me," the turian said without turning around. Shit, he had picked up the fact she had been following him since the bar.

"Then you know why I'm here," Shane said simply.

"I do. But you will find I am not that simple to kill," the turian said before turning around.

"I think I will be the judge of that," she said. After the last syllable left her lips she swung into action. Omni-blade formed and she slashed at a spot just under his mandibles. He leaned backward, dodging the slice by mere millimeters.

>>163964135
Scope is the root of the problem, as we can agree. If you make big choices have enormous repercussion on the rest of your game, you risk having to make multiple storyline with even more choices that needs repercussion inside those many storyline. It then become a vicious circle of having to make multiple states of the universe depending on a player choice.

Bioware probably bit too much than they can chew by making a trilogy based around making your choices matter. But I find that they did well considering the scope of their game. Not everything is perfect and there are many flaw with the execution, but they are good games that plays well. At least in my eyes.

I think one of the best game that did choices well was Alpha Protocol. But Alpha Protocol was a self-contained story, and the fact that there is no sequel to compare it to how ME2 handled save transfer means that I have no other reference on how ME handled trilogy-spanning choices.

Sidelining characers and offering stand-ins for the ones that died may look not worthy of caring about it, and I can understand that, but it still a way to validate your choice by making it exist and change the narrative. I was quite frustrated to see how Telltale handled the open-endness of their Walking Dead Season 2 ending by cutting off all branches during the opening of Season 3 : everything follows the exact same story whatever you chose in S2.

In ME3, for example, you cannot broker peace between the Quarian and the Geth if Tali and Legion are dead. Their presence and death actually changes the narrative. In the same vein, you cannot change Mordin's mind if Wrex and/or Eve survives through ME3. THat's taking two choices into consideration made in ME1 and ME2 so that a specific narrative is followed.

This is how I understand the concept of handling choice. But this concept is approached differently by other people, I think.

On the question of e-mails, I guess it depends if you like reading or not. Mostly.

>>163963770
I disagree. I did not have a good time with ME3. Not being able to throw Kai Leng off the Kodiak with a barrel roll, or slamming him on one of the many bridges, during the Citadel coup left me in huge disbelief. And it all spiraled downward from there. I was seriously going along with everything up to that point. Not having a great time, but I was content. After that, everything took a huge nosedive. Unlike my Kodiak, with Kai Leng on it.

You see, I think that's wrong too. I don't think content creators abuse emotions. They want to move, they want to incite, but they know that abusing an emotion will cause the reader/viewer/listener to stagnate emotionally. You can only pull a string so many times. That's where you need to strike a balance.

But that's the thing, I was excited because I didn't knew how it would all go. I didn't even try to imagine it. But it did what it promised at such a low degree and with the least amount of effort that I just couldn't be happy with the end result.

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"Shepard!" a voice came over the comm implant, causing Shane to stop dead. "There has been a change of plans. You are to wait for Operative Leng to join you."

"Too fucking late!" Shane replied as she sliced again at the turian. He dodged that, too. His own omni-tool flared to life and soon he had his own omni-blade to use against her.

"Stand down, Shepard. Now!" the voice of her handler barked out.

A feral snarl left Shane's lips. She did not surrender! It was a cowardly thing to do and she was decidedly not a coward. She kept fighting the turian through the alleyway.

"No. How far away is Leng?" Shane said, struggling to divide her attention.

"Two blocks away. I repeat: stand down, Shepard!"

"Over my fucking dead body!" Shane snapped.

"I can arrange that," her prey said as he sliced again at her. The omni-blade sank into her bicep. A growl that was more anger than pain left her throat and biotics flared wildly before she was using her Nova to try to stagger the turian. Somehow he kept his feet, though he did stumble backwards.

"Shepard!" her handler yelled.

Another slice from the turian cut through the two layers of clothes she wore-- t-shirt and a sleeveless undershirt. She stumbled backwards, her non-blade hand dropping to the gash in her abdomen. The pain fueled her, rather than making her want to retreat. She fought that much more fiercely.

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>>163961527
>Kaidanposting has become a movement, a legacy

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"Shepard!" another voice called out, this one not over the communication system embedded in her body. Just in time, too, given the fact that the biotic stumbled slightly.

Yet another cut from the turian ate into her collar, hitting the bone. Another animalistic snarl escaped her and she nearly dropped to her knee if not for the steadying hand of her partner.

"Leave me!" Shane snapped, yanking from Kai Leng's grasp.

"The Illusive Man wants him alive!" Leng explained, somewhat out of breath from the top-speed run to try to get to Shane before she fulfilled the original mission parameters.

Before Shane could reply, the turian was attacking again. Shane was losing blood, and fast. Her movements had pulled the wounds apart, causing them to bleed more than if she had stopped moving after the successful slices.

Letting go of Shane's arm, Leng stepped in front of his partner, easily blocking the blow meant for Shane with his own omni-blade. Biotics sparked around him before a small explosion knocked the turian off of his feet. Taking his chance, Leng quickly secured the target with bindings crafted by his omni-tool.

The blood lust was still coursing through Shane's body. Her emotions were running high, especially her anger.

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"Fuck you, Leng! I had him!" Shane said, furious rather than grateful for Leng having blocked a blow that had been aimed for her jugular.

"You were trying to kill him. That was not the new orders," Leng replied calmly, turning to look at his beaten up friend. He didn't bother saying he had just saved Shane's life, knowing that would have just gotten Shane angrier.

"It isn't my fault the orders changed at the literal last fucking minute!'

"I know. That's why I stopped you, Shepard."

Shane spat blood at Leng's feet, splattering it on his black boots. He stiffened slightly but didn't retaliate.

After a couple of minutes, a 'clean-up crew' had found the operatives. The crew extracted the turian from the alleyway in order to take him away as ordered by the Illusive Man.

Still angry about the whole thing, Shane stalked away. Leng followed hot on her heels. He didn't say anything to try to calm her down. It wouldn't have worked, anyways. He knew Shane too well.

The Cerberus dogs entered one of the safe houses available to them on the Citadel. Once the door had hissed closed, Shane started stripping out of her tattered and bloody clothes.

>>163965395
>circlejerking and samefagging this hard

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The new alien designs in Andromeda will all be shit, won't they?

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Leng dodged each dropped article of clothing, following as Shane headed to the bathroom. He stopped at the door to the bathroom, however.

Stepping into the shower, Shane made sure it was as hot as she could tolerate. The blood began to wash away, turning the bottom of the shower red, then pink, before it was clear again. The vanguard didn't take long once the blood had washed away. She wasn't there to take a 'real' shower, it was simply a rinse.

As Shane tried to find the replacement clothes she kept in the safehouse, Leng sidled up behind her. His grip was strong, firm, as he yanked her from the chest of drawers and shoved her towards a nearby wall. A soft grunt of surprise escaped the woman.

"Hund," Shane mumbled, red and hazel eyes staring at the blue eyes of Leng, something few people saw.

Leng's hands were anything but idle. His grip was almost like a vice as he grabbed both of Shane's wrists in one hand, pinning her up against the wall. Free hand lightly traced the gash in Shane's abdomen, causing her to moan low and definitely not out of pain. One of Leng's knees slid between both of Shane's essentially trapping the vanguard. In theory, anyway.

"Wolf," he returned. A groan escaped when she felt his mouth biting at various spots along her neck, slowly going downwards. Down to the wound in Shane's collar. His hand had moved by that point. Index and middle fingers pressed into the wound, which coaxed a whining moan from the woman. Leng knew exactly what got Shane going. Hard not to, when they had been together as long as they had.

>>163965652
Judging by the Kettle, yes

At least Turians and Krogan look cool

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Before Shane could do much of anything, Leng's teeth had sunk into the flesh of her shoulder, easily breaking the skin. Blood trailed freely down her chest from the new wound. Shane couldn't help but groan loudly from the pleasure the bite caused. Leng had known for a long time that Shane was a sadomasochist. That just made things so much better. It was always nice finding something in common with someone you worked with on a regular basis.

The pleased chuckle that left Leng's mouth sparked something in Shane. She was soon yanking her arms from his grasp and then harshly shoving him away until he was basically tripping and falling onto the bed.

"I hate you," she growled out as she straddled his waist. There was a smirk on Leng's face at Shane's words.

"Not as much as I hate you, Shepard," he said. He had barely gotten the words out before Shane was grabbing and tugging at his shirt. Eventually she found the patience to undo the buttons and fling the shirt open. She noted the differences in their bodies. He was built a little thicker, and lacked the scarring Shane did. But that didn't matter much.

There was nothing typical about the pair. And some would say their relationship wasn't healthy for either one. But it didn't matter. It wasn't abusive, and that was what mattered most.

After-mission sessions such as the present one weren't uncommon in the least. Whenever the blood lust was at an all-time high, that was when 'regular' lust was also high. They wanted each other. Needed each other. Would have each other.

>>163965915
Sorry, Kett.

>>163965117
Guess I'm what is called as a good public then, I have a huge capacity to believe something that is shown to me in a videogame setting.

Maybe abuse is not the correct word, pardon my misuse of the english language. What you say is true, they want to move and incite and make a reader / viewer / listener feel a certain emotion. That is still manipulation of emotion in my eyes, but it's not a bad thing per say, it is how it's used. It depends how tasteful the execution is.
If I take an example : if a character dies suddenly in a video-game : imagine Zaeed getting shot during the Collector base invasion and bleeding out. I'd find tasteful if Zaeed said some last word to Shepard and a small music cue indicated a sad mood. I'd find it distateful if Zaeed and Shepard waxed on melodramatic while a full bombastic sad violin played out to maximize sadness feeling.

I find it quite interesting that we approached the game with the same mindset : excitement and not knowing how it would go, but there's a word you use that I do not share : you say the game "promised" something. I never quite got that and went in with almost no expectation except wishing that my waifu was ok.

Maybe it's about having standards ? About expectation and the fullfillment of such expecation ? It's quite nice to have a discussion like this because even if you didn't liked the game, you still care enough to answer me on this argument, and I appreciate it, friend.

God damn I'm sorry for the sloppy english tonight, it's getting late and I feel that half of what I'm writting is nonsense.

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Mouths crashed together none-too-gently. Teeth were involved, nipping and tugging at tongue and lips. Gasps of pleasure and hisses of pain were the soundtrack. There was absolutely nothing gentle between them. There was blood, and scratchmarks, and bite marks. Snarled repeats of 'I hate you' in-between hot, fierce kisses. But there wasn't hate involved. But neither would one say there was love. Lust was the best word to describe it.

By the time they had finished, blood splattered the sheets, almost enough to look like a crime scene. Bite marks and scratchmarks littered both of their bodies. Dried and drying blood accompanied the marks, as well.

There was no cuddling, no pillow talk, no soft touches. Instead, Shane was sliding off the bed and grabbing her discarded towel as she did. Leng stayed on the bed, half-asleep and satisfied. He didn't care what Shane did at that point. It was just how it was between them. Complicated but simple at the same time. Violent and bloody yet with a tinge of caring. They never did anything without the other's consent. There was respect in spades. Each time they fucked, it ensured that they were still close partners. Nothing changed between them because of the mutually beneficial arrangement. That was how it was preferred. They could have sex and still be able to have a professional relationship.

Leng had passed out by the time Shane left to get dressed and tend to the wounds caused by Leng and the turian. She was a fast healer. And she rather liked the pain, anyways. It let her know she was alive, that she was still very much human.

Leng reminded her she was still human every time they had sex. And vice versa. Partners in more ways than one, and that was how it would be for hundreds of years.

>>163965061
Alpha Protocol is underrated. One of my all time favourite games. Heck and Thornton BFFS

>offering stand-ins for the ones that died may look not worthy of caring about it, and I can understand that, but it still a way to validate your choice by making it exist and change the narrative
It's not acceptable. You know why? Because if Jordan Baum is nowhere near the Dalatrass when Thane is there, how does he know to be there when Thane is dead? Both of them should be present in the instance then, if Thane is alive. And Kirrahe. Kirrahe shows up too, right? In case of either one or the other is dead? All three should be present, then. But do you know why they should all be there?

Yes, the peace between the Geth and Quarians is a good example of your choices mattering. What makes no goddamn sense in that scene, however, is Legion dying as he uploads himself.

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It was late.
She was drunk.
Very drunk.
She wasn’t sure what part of the station she was on, only that she wanted to find Jack for. Ahem. Reasons.
She found what at least looked like the door to his bedroom, but the usual passkey didn’t work. She hacked it easily—she’d always been more skilled in the art of decryption when drunk—and slipped inside.
She was greeted by the usual beautiful view—though it seemed different somehow. She shrugged it off, and chalked it up to her intoxication.
She heard a shifting of sheets and looked to see a flash of familiar blue.
“Heyyyyyy,” she said, stumbling over towards the dark-hued sheets, “Hope I didn’t wake youuu.”
He grunted softly in what Shepard assumed to be a “No”-esque fashion. She incorrectly estimated the distance between the door and the bed, however, and she stumbled onto the bed, her cheek landing on his abs.
She blinked, ran a hand over his stomach. “Since when d’you have these, huh? You been workin’ out?”
He let out a single snort, the smirk on his lips apparent through the sound.

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She grinned back, a toothy thing that would’ve made him laugh had he seen it. She straddled his lap, hands splayed on his chest, and leaned in close.
“Soooo,” she purred, “What do you wanna do?”
Her grin widened even further as she followed the trail his eyes made down her body. For a moment she thought they looked different somehow, but again she shook it off as a side effect of the sheer amount of liquor she’d consumed.
His fingertips threaded through her hair, down her shoulder, over her breast.
She shivered. “You know I don’t like to be kept waiting,” she murmured, nipping at his lip just a bit too hard.
But he said nothing. He planted a kiss at the top of her neck, drawing in a deep breath, his hands settling themselves on her hips. He pressed his lips against the crook of her neck, hands gripping at her ass, and she let out a soft moan. His hands slipped under the hem of the shirt she wore—Jack’s shirt—and smoothed down her stocking-covered legs, then bringing his hands back to pull the shirt off of her, tossing it onto a nearby chair, safely out of harm’s way. He sat up, nudging her breasts towards his mouth, biting and sucking at her nipples as his fingertips smoothed over her groin.

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“You—mmf—you t-tease st-stop that,” she mumbled.
He grunted, and brought her back down, kissing her on the mouth and tugging at her hair. He tossed her onto the mattress and rose onto his knees, towering over her.
She blinked at him, her scars glinting faint red even in the dark. “You seem… diff’rent.”
She yelped as he tore open the crotch of her stockings.
“……….Different. Good different.”
At this point her eyes had adjusted enough to the dim light that she could see his hand at his groin, pushing down the waist of his pants enough to pull out his stiffening cock. She managed to push herself upright with only minor trouble, and grabbed a hold of him, pressing her half-open mouth against his shaft, red eyes glancing up at his face. He’d winced slightly—she’d forgotten to curl her lips over her teeth—but did not protest. She eased him into her mouth, this time remembering about her teeth, and sucked until he was hard—until he knotted a fist in her hair and pulled her off of him. He kept her pressed against his body as he reached down to get his hand between her legs, slipping two fingers into her and moving so quickly that she didn’t have time to moan.

>>163966180
Alpha protocol is a little precious gem.

I would tend to disagree with you on the Jordan Baum theory, as the eventuality of his presence is not aknowledge in-game. The path of "what-ifs" is only wish-fullfillment, in my eyes, and I don't see how we could continue the argument without falling into theorycrafting and rewritting history.

I always felt like the Geths lost in what made them unique in ME3 by making Legion do a Pinnochio on their entire race. I was torn by the ME2 Heretic mission because rewritting and destroying a synthetic race was out of my own conception. Blue and orange morality instead of black and white. By making Legion wish for sharing an organic mind, he makes the Geth loose this "alien" approach. It's the same problem I have with IDA becoming a little "too human" in my taste. I liked the Geth when they did not have a personal identity, but a collective one.

That and the fact that he uses reaper tech. Legion dying as he upload himself did not shock me particulary, but in hindsight it serves as a kind of "foreshadowing" on the Synthesis choice : Shepard, like Legion, litteraly force a new way of life, a new paradigm, on a galaxy-scale.

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He stopped suddenly, pulling out and pushing her back towards the headboard, turning her back towards him. He pressed a hand to the back of her head when she tried to look back at him, pushing the top of her forehead against the wall. His other hand snaked down her abdomen, his middle finger running through the stripe of hair on her mons and stopping just before her clit. She grunted, her hips shifting and her legs widening. He began to rub her clit in slow circles, while pressing the head of his cock against her taint, then entering her just slightly. Her hips began to buck as his hand increased, so he stilled her somewhat by gripping her hip with his other hand. In a matter of moments, both hands held onto her, bringing her ass towards him, against his body. She in turn pressed herself against him, drawing a moan from him as she slid her heat over his length.
“God, just fuck me,” she purred, and she could hardly get all the words out before he obliged.
It wasn’t long at all before her moans echoed in the room, before her body was numb with sensation. He seemed quieter than usual, but she certainly was in no position to pay heed.
He withdrew just before he came, pressing his cock against her asshole.
She looked over her shoulder at him, her vision slightly blurred. She wasn’t one to sober up quickly.
“D…don’t you need to take a break?” she asked. She watched as his eyes moved as he gave his head a small shake. “Y-you…’ve never wanted t’… to do that b’fore.”

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>>163965647
>I a-am against x so everyone else is clearly circlejerking AND samefagging r-right guys?

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So how nice is kissing the femtur going to be?

>>163966130
>I have a huge capacity to believe something that is shown to me in a videogame setting.
Yes, I too believe that someone would bang their windshield until it broke. But would that be your first reaction if someone jumped on your plane, mid-air, with the intention of running their space katana through your engine? No, because you're clearly not dumb enough to do that.

But manipulation is different than abuse. Manipulation is subtle and gives you off the idea that it is definitely you that is experiencing it, not someone else that tricked you into it. Bioware, on the other hand, is not subtle about it. They want you to feel sad about people dying. That's why they kill Rila, Thane, Sparatus' son which I forget what he's called, Mordin, Anderson, Legion, Udina, TIM, the boy at the beginning and I don't remember how many more I am missing because that's too goddamn many.

Casey did in fact promise that the game would have hundreds of different endings in interviews a few months prior to the games release. He never retracted those statements. There is an entire list of articles compiled on the bioware social forum, God rest its soul, with all the unfulfilled promises Bioware devs had made prior to ME3's release.

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She let out a quiet whimper as he slid into her, his semen serving as the bare minimum of lube.
“I’m a bit rusty, jus’ so y’know.” In response he leaned forward and bit at her ear as a hum of pleasure slipped from his throat, one hand delivering a solid slap to her ass. He moved slowly, giving her adequate room to relax her body.
But then she whispered faster and he obeyed.
He pulled out again, though this time he hadn’t actually climaxed. He moved back and laid her down on the mattress again, shifting so he hovered over her chest. He lowered his shaft into her cleavage and she pressed her breasts together, squeezing him as his hips rocked, as he reached his peak and released onto her.
For a while he stayed there, his breathing deep. Eventually, though, she broke the silence, asking, “So can I finish now?”
He grunted and got off the bed.
“Wh—”
Grabbed her by the arm,
“H—!”
Tossed her out into the hall, wearing nothing but torn stockings.
“Thanks,” he said, before the door shut.
She blinked.
She knew that voice.
She gasped, her hands flying to her mouth—which was, unfortunately, dripping with his fluids.
Kai Leng’s, that is.

>>163967434
it can't kiss back since it has no lips, that's for sure.

>>163967820

dont need lips to eat ass

>>163967445
Manipulation seems a better word, and the enjoyment of that emotional manipulation depends entirely on how you tasteful you find it to be and how you like it. Depends on how invested you are emotionally in the game, and that investment can vary depending on how you receive in-game event and out-of-game events, such as the interviews or promises the dev made about their game.

Maybe it's because here in france it's a little harder to find those articles and interviews, as they don't get translated, but that's also why I approach game with almost no expectation. I tend to work on a "trust what you can see, not what is said" mindset. I'll play a game first and see if what the dev' said in his interview was right or wrong, but rarely will I do the other way.

I'm curious about Andromeda, but as long as I don't have the game between my hands, before I'm experiencing the game in the moment, I reserve my judgement about how a game look like and what promises it'll hold. I'd like to see what Bioware means by "making the player be able to empathize with the Kett", but I don't have a particular expetaction about it, I don't expect to like or don't like its execution. Just want to see if it exist

>>163967186
>as the eventuality of his presence is not aknowledge in-game
But that's the thing. This isn't Schrödinger's Jordan Baum. It's not a quantum phenomenon. If he can't be there for scenario A, then he couldn't have been there for scenario B or C to unfold.

The Pinocchio syndrome is largely due to the previous writer for Legion and the Geth, Chris L'Etoile, leaving the company and the guy that took the spot had no fucking clue what the Geth were about.

That is both a hamfisted and underhanded way to foreshadow it. I'd call it genius if they had any idea of doing it intentionally.

How come such a shitty character has so much fanart?

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>>163964832

Not sexy. The kind of person that makes you turn around and watch your wallet.

>>163968278
I have become so disenchanted with Bioware after DA2, SW:ToR, ME3 and DA:I, because believe me, I've been playing Bioware games since 1998 and I love Bioware, I really do, still, but they have shifted so much from their original vision that was what got them their recognition, that I have nothing to look forward to with Andromeda. They seem more intent to make Seras than Jolie Bindos or Canderous Ordos nowadays. And I don't think I've ever been less excited about the possibility of a jetpack in my life, nor do I look forward to traversing long and scantly populated maps that will compensate for the Mako's speed, which is just another way to spell DA:I Horse. It's really clipped the wings of whatever hope I had for this game.

>>163968512
But what if Jordan Baum is actually on the other side of the Presidium ? What if he's locked in combat to protect the Asari and Turian concilior from similar assassinations ? I tend to try to work with what is given to me, and that is that the Salarian coucilior's fate (and even appearance) is depending on three differents consequences of choices you made in ME1 (about Kirrahe's team) and how you handled a character in ME2 (about Thane's survival.). I used that example to show how choices mattered on a smaller-scale, I don't see how Jordan Baum, as a character, could be involved in this equation as he was not designed to be part of it. I must admit I'm a bit at a loss for the Jordan Baum conendrum, I fear I don't know what to answer to significally advance the thinking process.

Chris L'Etoile leaving and having another guy taking his place shows the inherent danger in making an ambitious game. That's why I'm quite optimistic with the fact that Bioware wants to make Andromeda the start of a series of game not directly followed, not directly linked. They could, that way, have more leeway in deciding on how to handle long-term choices, that very thing that was put at risk when the event of ME2 and ME3 follows themselves.
I don't know if I'm very clear.

I do enjoy our argument, it made me think about new things, but I must admit that it's beginning to get pretty hard for me to follow through. Blame the late hour and the fact that I'm tired as shit.

I found that the Tuchanka arc was well done, and that Wrex had a nice character growth from cynical and lonely mercenary that gave up about his own race to an being a confident and cunning figure. The fact that he can learn of Shepard's betrayal if he sabotage the Genophage when Wreav is none the wiser is a nice touch to the character. I liked the Rannoch arc too, I don't really like how the Geth did a Pinnochio at the end.
The one thing I find had a squandered potential was the dream sequences.

>>163969569
Why are you namefagging?

Mass Effect fags are weird.

>>163969443
I can understand that point of view, but even if I don't have any "faith" in Bioware, I still liked what I saw in Andromeda's trailer. Mostly. I don't expect something that will blow my mind and become my game of the year, just a game in the ME setting set in Andromeda that I could potentially enjoy for the action and roleplay experience.
I have very low standards.

>>163969569
>But what if Jordan Baum is actually on the other side of the Presidium ?
Then how does he get to the Salarian Dalatrass in the event of Thane's death? Thane's existence does not dictate Baum's actions.

>What if he's locked in combat to protect the Asari and Turian concilior from similar assassinations ?
Why would an STG unit be dispatched to Turian or Asari security? And again how would Thane's death benefit Baum?

>>163969680
He's a write fag here

>>163969680
That way people can hide my posts more easily; so I don't bore them to death.

>>163970253
So?

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>>163969305
ive never seen a better Jack cosplay than hers

>>163970382
When did you first come to this general?

>>163970140
Jordan Baum is not the one to jump on Kaidan's blade in case of Thane's death. It's captain Kirrahe.
Jordan Baum is the Salarian Spectre involved in the Hanari sidequest about securing the Spectre or Hanari fleet. If my memory is correct.

After checking, Jondum Baum is a Spectre, not a STG. Their job is to defend Council interest, inculding the four major Council races. Shepard is a Human Spectre that defends Turian, Asari and Salarian interest. Why not Jundum ?

>>163970253
You're not a /meg/ writefag if you don't write about MTs

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>>163970558

>>163970723
I wouldn't be able to make it justice anyway.

>>163970560
Years earlier than the namefag. Writefags can use a name when posting actual content, not all the time.

WG and Tali-ban are bad enough as it is

>>163970852
Fair enough.

>>163970852
Apparently people can easily recognize me even without the namefaggotry. So I thought that the easiest thing to do was to stop pretending that I can be anon anymore.

>>163971076
>Apparently people can easily recognize me even without the namefaggotry
That's pretty sad

If I spent so much time here as to know who somebody is, based on the way they post, I'd have to completely rearrange my life.

>>163970590
I don't think you understand what I am getting at. Does Baum show up? Yes, he does. Does Kirrahe show up? Yes, he does. Does Thane show up? Yes, he does too.So if they all show up, why does the one die, in order for the other to appear?

>>163971496
To let players that had Thane dying in ME2 a chance to save the Salarian councilior by making his survival tied to a ME1 choice ?
That way, a major character of ME2 gets the spotlight, and if he's dead by the time ME3 happens, a minor character of ME1 gets the spotlight. That way a narrative is dependant of both a ME2 and a ME1 choice ?

>>163971852
You're right. I was remembering it wrong. The dalatrass dies and Baum doesn't show up.

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>>163971364
>If I spent so much time here as to know who somebody is, based on the way they post, I'd have to completely rearrange my life.
Don't make me even more depressed please

>>163972064
Oh, sorry m8

>>163967820
Garrus romance says otherwise

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>>163973015
>when you're straight but still want to romance garrus
r63 garrus would make me explode

>>163972025
Alright it's close to 3 A.M here and I'm falling asleep. It was an interesting talk, hope to have some more in the future.
G'night /meg/.

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>>163972607
The thread has been plenty fun

>>163972064
Don't worry, I can also spot Brioche and the autist

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>>163973342

>>163973327
G'night, Frenchie. You're a cool dude.

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>>163973504

>>163973015
>bioware fucking up their own lore
wow there's a surprise.

>US actress Debbie Reynolds dies, a day after the death of her film star daughter Carrie Fisher, he son says
wew

>>163973751
Not really fucking up the lore, just means their mandibles are dexterous enough for smooching

>Want to play Mass Effect again
>Still suffering from a hang-up 5 years ago where some random dude said Sentinel is his favorite class and I now can't play that class without thinking about that guy

Jesus fuck, what is wrong with me? Every time I hover over selecting that class, it just feels so wrong.

>>163975246
But sentinel is the best class, anon

>>163975246
But sentinel is the best class, right after vanguard.
Put it this way, Miranda, and her perfect ass, is a sentinel

>>163975481
But Miranda's ass is third or fourth best in 2

>>163976781
I forgot how the assrank goes. EDI/Eva is #1 I know that

>>163977156
No, Kai Leng is 1. Kaidan 2.

>>163977785
Hey im as much of a kaidanfag as the next girl but this is a real question and the truth is all human males have the same model except for Jimmy

>>163978167
C I T A D E L
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I hope she's a cuddler

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>>163979545
Her nose is so cute. Turians are the best.

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>>163981317

>>163981452
>tfw no gf who's tsundere towards your entire race

>>163979545
I wonder if Turians have higher or lower body temps than humans.

I'm hoping for lower, so Vetra can be giddy over finding out she can use Ryder as a personal space heater

>>163981452
tumblr must be destroyed.

>>163981992
Found it on deviant art, actually. Not a whole lot better, but slightly

...we aren't going to get information on any NPC other than Peebee before release day, are we?

>>163982994
Reminds me of how all the focus in ME1 was clearly put on Ashley, including the pre-game marketing.

That worked out well.

>>163983081
it's got to make you wonder if Bioware is specifically showin you the worst character in both cases, so every other one feels exponentially better

>>163983081
Getting her Virmired was all the sweeter

>>163982994
Let's see. There's supposed to be a big infodump in January. At the very least I expect we'll hear who the rest of the voice cast is. Maybe get some more info on the Tempest and the Nomad.

>>163983237
>it winds up being Peebee's entire backstory
>Oh, and we're confirming again that the Ryders have daddy issues

>>163983351
don't give them any ideas.

>>163983351
>it results in even more hatred of beepbeep
>Mac Walters cries because nobody likes his waifu
>all the other characters wind up being pretty good

>>163985557
Is she like Sera from Inquisition? If so she deserves the airlock.

>>163986670
she seems to be EXACTLY like Sera, but with Liara's motivations

>>163987259
Libras motivations? As in MCs dick?

>>163987991
Well yeah, she's an asari. But she's also an explorer of the ruins of a lost civilization with dreams of uncovering ancient relics.

I do find it funny how their way of making an unconventional Asari was taking the Asari we saw the most of, making her 'rough around the edges' and slapping shit on her face

>>163988345
That does sound like Liara with more randumb shit.
Didn't they scrap a character entirely because it way too similar to an existing one? If so which one?
And why keep peebee then, if not for fanservice?

>>163990562
That and budget, but they haven't revealed anything else because they may or may not release them with DLC that adds content (though they did also mention that they're not going to repeat the mistake they made with Javik, so it'll probably be a temp one like Aria)

And the ME staff has always been weirdly attached to the Asari over any other race

>>163990831
>And the ME staff has always been weirdly attached to the Asari over any other race

The asari are the most populous and powerful species in the setting, this has been the case since game 1. If anything they're drastically underrepresented relative to what would be logical in-universe.

>>163991791
Asari get BTFO in Thespian, their race is a sham

>>163991791
They're a race of Mary Sues, bro.

>>163991950
> Asari get BTFO

Literally everyone got BTFO by the Reapers (not that their homeworld falling matters all that much when they've got hundreds of worlds each with populations in the hundreds of millions to billions), at least the asari navy put up a fight unlike every navy but the turians.

>>163982994
THIS IS CALLED HYPE

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>>163981663
Any turian can use me as their personal space heater any day.

>>163982994
Bioware makes the worst choices about promoting their companions. Remember how the Sera and Vivienne got the most spotlight before DA:I actually released and it became clear that they were both terrible? And meanwhile characters like Dorian, Josephine, and Cass got barely any pre-launch coverage, but they are among the most popular companions/LIs because they're serious adult characters who fit the plot rather than lolrandom edgelords.

I suspect this will be the same. And I also suspect that any character reveals will be incredibly misleading, just like Dorian's trailer which showed him as a Sassy Gay Friend.

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>>163992649
Behold the mighty human fleet

>>163993406
b-but muh special snowflake yoomanity!

>>163991791
>drastically underrepresented

And thank god for that! The only Asari I've ever liked was Aria, and "like" is probably too strong a word.

>>163992649
Thessia fell in about 24 hours, while Palaven took months, Earth still had solid fleet by the endgame, Sur'Kesh was never attacked, and minor races stayed minor.

The Asari fleet did about as well as the Batarian one

>>163993874
>Thessia fell in about 24 hours

Earth fell in literally 20 minutes without inflicting so much as a single casualty on the Reapers. This is also again irrelevant- the homeworld falling is only a death blow for specieslets without major colonies.

> Earth still had solid fleet by the endgame

We don't know the total asari forces, only that they sent two fleets to contribute to the Crucible project, and that they had dozens originally. Meanwhile we know that humanity only had 8 originally, and that what they're contributing to the Crucible is pretty much all they have left.

>>163993874
Maybe I'm not remembering this right, but I don't think Palaven or Earth ever fell. I was under the impression that Thessia got totally wiped off the map, along with most 'minor' races. But Palaven and Earth were still fighting up until the Crucible was finished, at which point all surviving ships were diverted to earth.

>>163994369
>Thessia got totally wiped off the map

Nothing in the game says this. We've no evidence they're in any worse condition than Earth, which has been undergoing harvesting since day 1 of the invasion.

Of course, Thessia could've been totally wiped out, and there would still be dozens of times more asari in the galaxy than humans. ME fans have a problem with scale.

> at which point all surviving ships were diverted to earth.

We know this is not true. The assets used for the final Crucible assault are allocated at various points throughout the game and held in reserve until then, at the same time most species are fighting the war with other assets. For example we know that the turians are waging a massive war against the Reapers for the duration of the game and taking heavy losses, yet they only allocate a few fleets for the Crucible after Tuchanka which never change in size throughout the game.

>>163993747
>yoomanity
Batarian Internet Defense Force pls go

>>163994318
No, the Reapers were still fighting both on and over Earth for the duration of the game. It's always considered an active warzone. Thessia was immediately written off as a loss even by Liara, who had the most reason of the crew to be hopeful about it. It might be able to be recolonized, but it's mission killed. And that's rather different from Palaven and Earth, the other two hardest hit planets we see

>>163994932
> and over Earth for the duration of the game.

No they weren't. Humanity's fleet got smashed and routed in minutes ad the remnants are held in reserve for the Crucible past that point, and the planet took mere hours to fall. The only resistance present is strategically irrelevant guerrilla ground forces, not naval forces.

>The Reapers took Earth in a matter of hours. The Alliance knew the first wave would arrive from batarian space, but they were unprepared for the speed and scale of the attack.

>The Reapers bypassed the Sixth and Seventh Fleets at Terra Nova and Eden Prime, flying straight from relay to relay where they could neither be tracked nor intercepted.

>At Arcturus Station, more than a dozen Reaper capital ships engaged the Alliance's Second, Third, and Fifth Fleets. This was mere screening for the main force. Dozens more capital ships continued through the Charon Relay, where the First Fleet had been lying in wait but was soon destroyed. The Fourth Fleet, near Earth, had a few minutes of advance warning. It stood no chance.

Meanwhile we know that the asari inflicted a notable amount of losses on the Reapers, with their difficulty against the asari even being contrasted with the ease they took down "other races".

>The assault on Thessia did not go as smoothly as the Reapers' strikes against other races. While other species met the Reapers head-on, the asari resorted to dangerous hit-and-run tactics to harass their attackers. By engaging in guerilla strategies--blasting a Reaper ship, then jumping to FTL where they could not be tracked--the asari forced the Reapers to remain on the defensive.

>Unfortunately, the Reapers' greater numbers allowed them to accept certain losses, so they soon ignored the attacks against them and began orbital bombardment of Thessia. This in turn forced the asari to defend their homeworld with a more traditional stance, facing the Reaper forces directly.

I want a female turian to use me as her heater.

Is /meg/ wanting to fuck the velociraptor a new thing?

When did this happen? I can get wanting to fuck quarians or asari or even drell, but femturs aren't even recognizably female.

>>163996813

Males can't catch STT, only females from male turians.

>>163996813

It's not entirely new anyway, there were always some who wanted to bang them.

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>>163996813
she's pretty cute though

>>163996813
honestly, they did a pretty solid job at making femturs seem female without making them look much like human women. Especially the couple seconds we had of Vetra walking out of the ship. It's a combination of the way she walks, the facial chitin being thinner and sharper compared to male turians, and the lack of a fringe. Think the purple markings help as well

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>>163996813
I've always wanted to fuck the velociraptor. Except in my case, that velociraptor is Garrus.

Vetra is pretty cute, though. I'll probably romance her if that's possible.

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>>163999192
Garrus was the first sexy velociraptor. Vetra is the second. Nyreen was meh

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Why is her butt so cute?

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>>163999341
Nyreen is too human-like

>>164000726
I think it's the color scheme. Cooler colors seem to fit turians better

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>>164000906
There's also the boobs

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>best girls

>>164001150
yeah, that was weird

>Hey, let's make a chitinous, avian/reptilian race that's clearly not mammalian at all
>gotta give the women tits, though. Can't forget those

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>>164001386
She looks better in her armor but by then the bad first impression is already made

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>>164001292
i can really see them having a big sister, little sister relationship

>>164001638
>I got a tattoo
>Jack said you'd think it was hot

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>>164001638
How old is Jack anyway?

>>164001638
and we already know they're both down for threesomes

>>164001713
ME2's website said she was 24, so same age as Tali.

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>>164001696

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>>164001798
>Miranda bullies a girl whose like 10 years younger than her
Wow what a cunt

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>>164002067
Miranda's bullying probably made Jack very sad.

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>>164001859
I want to smell that crack

>>164000554
because she doesn't really flaunt it.

>>163996323
http://pastebin.com/7wVUtSWt

here have a thing. probably terrible, but i'm tired and wanted to write

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>>164002459
True

>>164003430
Cerberus did nothing wrong

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Post sexy femturs

>>164004224
They lay eggs, why the wide ass hips?

>>164004224
That's a male Turian bro. females don't have those backward facing spikes on their heads.

And what the fuck is that on its jaw?

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>>164004413
To lay bigger eggs

>>164004585
Those are all male Turians

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>>164004582
You gay bro?

>>164004413
> They lay eggs

The wiki cites a dev on Twitter saying they're viviparous.

>>164004670
>tfw no manlet maletur trap bitchboy

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>>164004670
Who cares if its cute

>>164004729
Krogan also lay eggs. In ME1 he makes fun of mammals (humans) for not withstanding high temperatures.
They retconned that too.

https://twitter.com/biofanofficial/status/813527678888382464

male Ryder's face model is underwear model Steven Brewis.

>>164005310
ANOTHER underwear model? Gee Bioware, objectifying men much? Male Shep and Kaidan are both models.
Can't model FemRyder after a model, won't look "believable".

>>163991791

The most powerful military were the crabs.

Im gonna feel guilty for saying this, but the most interesting cunt for romance was the queen of Omega. Ofc it was not possible, even with dlc. Cunt has dust and spider webs in the crack and must be like 900 years old, despite appearing in her late 20's, 30's.

>>164004413

Apparently they cannot represent aliens as... well, aliens.

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>>164005676

>>164005310
stop shilling your twitter and this shit game

What's with the image spam? I thought we were past this.