Fighting Games General /fgg/

First for MORTAL KOMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

Just bought SFV two days ago
what am I in for?
fuck early ranks were fine but once people actually know what to do it keeps happening

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SFV is a good fighting game!

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>sfv s2

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>somehow Riot plan to turn this into a fighting game

1. Cammy
2. Akuma
3. Laura
4. Urien
5. Balrog

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>>163812660

>>163812721
If they could make a fighting game that utilized the mouse that would be awesome, part of the reason why these games don't do well on PC is cause they don't utilize the mouse it feels weird just using your keyboard to navigate stuff and play. And I hope this game isn't a "fighting game" but an evolution in the genre or its own thing, just some 1v1 competitive combat.

>>163812538
>not posting best senran

>>163812902
you seem lost

>>>/v/

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>>163813051
I got you senpai.

>>163813075
Flat can never be best senran.

>>163812902
Part of the appeal of fighting games nowadays is that they barely pander to the audience, though. The most casualized parts of fighting games are super specific shit like "the input buffer is too large". People realize that the game has a simple structure that isn't going anywhere and they see that in the way they see Mario being predictable. And when I say that, I mean everyone sees that, not just some specific group.

Changing the input method that much is, at best, going to make something like Smash Bros.

>>163812723
What makes Cammy good in S2? I thought the divekick nerf was a big thing?

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>>163812538
senran fighting games when??

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How do I get past this screen

>>163813051
Morrigan! I found out that someone in my cousin's girlfriend's family is named Morrigan! Never met her though.

>>163813196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrRVWM1F6ns

you need to be taught how to play fighting games, doesn't come naturally at all, the foundational skills don't make themselves apparent, a lot of other games have easy to understand foundational skills that can be extrapolated to great depth.

>>163813343
She was mostly unchanged. EX Divekick can be made plus if you hit below the waist.

>>163813459
That still sounds like a nerf overall. I don't get why people are making her out to be all fantastic.

>>163813513
because everyone else who was above her in s1 got nerfed much more significantly than her

>>163813464
why do i want to fuck that armpit?
armpits aren't for fucking!

>>163813513
That diaper is retarded cammy is worse in s2 she might be top 5 but I doubt it with urien, guile, laura, balrog and akuma being so strong

>>163813458

The "foundational skills" of fighting games are super easy to understand. Everyone knows why Guile beat them, they just don't know the word "zoning".

>>163813513
Maybe because she still has her oki after HK Spiral Arrow, and reversals being stuffed by meaties.

Has anyone gotten the bbcf pc mega link to work for them? I'm getting stuck with an I/O error

>>163813441
But is she a succubus?

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>>163813732
Maybe. Not like she'd go anywhere near your fat ass though.

>>163813675
That doesn't stop capcucks from thinking they are geniuses when they jump over a fireball

>>163813732
How the fuck should I know? I've never met the person. Might even just be a weird thing like "Morry-Gun" or "Morygane or something

>>163813458
>girl winning by spamming crush counter button as ryu
it is a prophecy

>>163813726
yes, do you have steam? ill talk to you there

>>163814272
https://steamcommunity.com/id/scazzaf

post season 2 merk, ill start

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYxqTYIi56I

Does anyone want to teach me how to play fighting games

Everyone keeps telling me Urien is Unga but I don't really know what to do with him until I get aegis other than just play a footsies game with his big, black buttons. What am I missing?

I only recently reached super silver so don't expect much from me

>>163814698
They get butthurt whenever they get hit with a headbutt or shoulder tackle so they call him unga, despite the fact those movies are unsave and uriens kneedive you should be able to aa it.

>>163814698
That's the thing: you can do whatever you want, throw fireballs, mash normals, kneedrop, fullscreen tackle, or just walk them to the corner

>>163814698
watch floe play him. mash fierce and get results

>>163814880
His fireball was the same as Kens for recovery, are you saying Ken could do whatever he wanted for fireball? He hardly used it because it was poor.

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>Everything links/combos in training
>Nothing links/combos online

>>163814972
Nice false equivalence, they don't have the same properties or options. Urien mains are truly pathetic.

>tfw can't iad consistently

ill make it one day (;_;)

>>163814979
surely causes me to ponder

What's your impression of Akuma in SFV?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Sw-v5wgwE

>>163815205
top 5, very cool character.

>>163815164
9 6 my nigga

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Playing fighting games is making me depressed, what should I do? This never happened before.

>Went to the arcade today for the first time in years
>Beating everyone in ST
>That godly feeling you get when you make someone lose money fighting you

post 1 character you cannot beat
leave a tip with your comment
>Rashid
Do not even look near a corner unless you like mixups

I just don't understand sfv

SFV is a farce since killing with raging demon still has the KO voice over

this didn't happen in SF4

https://youtu.be/iqBpYXipFxA?t=163

>>163815347
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SUzcDUERLo

Train to win.

>>163815373
against rashid don't mash and use your v-reversal, learn jumpback tech os

>>163815457
This also isn't SFIV

>>163815373
Why would you ask for tips from people who have trouble in the matchup?

>>163815467
BWAKA

>>163815686
It's stub fighter more like it

fightcade anyone?

>>163815440
Lucky for you there is barely anything to understand. Just be unpredictable and take every opportunity to make them guess if you're going to throw and rack up those penis points

Why is playing online with wifi a bad thing? People constantly badger me about it even though our matches were perfectly fine for me and was wondering if it could be me or not

>>163816131
They are not used to your shit connection, you are

>>163816131

You ever notice how a person in the room that stinks doesn't notice?

Do you guys think EVO is going to continue to grow at a fast rate? It seems like NRS and Smash players (and 1 other community?) had a lukewarm/shitty experience and Pokken won't be back at all.

I think they're just gonna ride the "Esports hype" as long as they can because I see less enthusiasm than ever for SFV. Maybe MvCI can help but Idk.

>>163816131
cannot tell if baito

>>163816303
the Riot fighter will probably keep it going

Also I imagine EVO Japan will be huge

>>163816303
EVO being split up helps a lot though. No more fighting over slots in the future. All the good jap games will be in december and the shitty american games and smash bros will be in july

>>163816034
I just dont know how to do that. I can't open people up. I hate it

>>163816472
I hope they don't gut Evo for the sake of Evo Japan

It would be a shame if Evo was just smash and SF and all the actually interesting games got sent to nip land

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>>163812538
Why has nobody ripped the entire SFV OST yet, despite Capcom jewing their OST purchasers out of the other tracks?
>released game in hat is basically an unfinished state
>add half the other tracks in later
>don't add it to soundtrack ever

In fact, why doesn't /fgg/ have an OST collection for all fighting games?

>>163813592
ummmmmm
armpits are for sniffing only

>>163816427
>Riot fighter

Do you really think they'll allow their product to be shown alongside other games? They'd definitely go the LoL route and have Riot Fighter-only Majors. Hell, they probably won't even have open bracket events. You'd have to qualify through online shit or something.

>>163816303


the fgc is fine at its current size

how would you guys react if the RIOT figthing game is a smash clone?

>>163816584
Current size of dead. Yes that's good.

>>163813458
>3/8 people pick ryu

Seems about right.

>>163816539
Nah EVO Japan will be the real test for almost every Japanese made game. Much more weight when every games pool is stacked will Japanese killers (and the select few top tier westerners) instead of american shitters that have almost no business entering a tournament.

EVO Vegas will degenerate into an NRS/Melee/Marvel dumpster fire.

>>163813675
Because FG terminology and terms/notations isn't standardized.

Mainly because

-companies either make up nonsensical terms for marketing that's totabl bs and fluff up mechanics impression wise.
-Companies don't use the terms which hints a lot at bad customer communtnity relations on the devs part potentially
-the community/subset is disorganized and/or retarded such as not following Jap notation andu sing your communities shitty one, counting frame data one way where as every other game counts it another.

>>163817015
Japanese KI at Evo when?

>>163817015
Idk i hope enough good games keep getting run and enough japs like coming to vegas to get ripped and stay in fun disneyland hotels that Vegas lives

After going last year, i want to go to evo every year I can afford to now

>>163817029
This is mainly for going deeper.

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>>163817093
KI to Japan is like anime fighters to the west

people are overrating the fuck out of akuma desu

his neutral is fucking awful

>>163817118
The Japanese really love it.
They get to do stuff they really can't do in Japan and vacationing is always a blast to be honest when either way win or lose in the end it's a win.

>>163817189
>unga air fireball
>mk
>walkspeed to shimmy
>dp
>v-skill
>fucking awful neutral
We get it you're a daiper

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I really like how Capcom brought back the

>Do nothing and charge TAP

Strategy from ST.

>>163815205
Very fun character. Lots of offensive options, can get creative with pressure, real flashy stuff and the execution is tuned just right. Also love the new design to the point where classic now feels like it's lacking something.

>>163817093
I dunno but I hope Kombo Klash Japan 2017 gets more noteriety. Theres a player list on kkj.ogty.net

>>163817029
I mean most people have some sort of standard or at least commonly understandable

>invincible reversals are called DP's usually
>guard cancels are dead angles/alphacounters


>>163817189
Thats what I thought till i realized he doesn't play neutral like a shoto at all

His fireball is wack, to slow to be useful and not rewarding enough. Its just a poke for certain matchups

You basically play like Karin, approach with cr.mp staggers until you get close enough to framecrap/special cancel into demon flips

alternate between that and staggering cr.mp >st.mk and suddenly you will start opening them up

He's all about making them respect and you have to know your SMP flowchart based on what buttons they are going to hit back with through stagger pressure

>>163817302
It was believable until the last bit, peter.

>>163817189
lol

>>163817287
word on the street we're getting a balance patch before s2 starts

>>163817428
I just love the mane, mane.

godamn i cant stand kbrad's music i just want to learn cammy but it's so obnoxious i have to mute it

>>163816648
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dead
>78,390 people bought a badge for EVO 2016
are you retarded?

Helen IS the first season 2 fighter after Akuma and she's got command grabs.

This is all.

>>163817287
How long until good Rog players other than PR realize how busted TAP is now? He's the only one I see using it regularly. Maybe managing it is just hard? PR has the advantage of experience there I guess most players lack.

>>163817189
Everyone's neutral is bad in stub Fighter 5

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>>163817719
Evo Chamionship Series never 4get

>>163817287
you better hold that +7 level 8 TAP son

>>163817684
what? most of kbrads music is just chill shit. it's like disco or R&B. what do you listen to that his music is unlistenable?

>>163817180
Well liked and played?
KI Japan players are actually good

>>163817684
yeah, id rather have the chat requesting shitty meme music :^)

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>>163817508
I thought the point of this seasonal downtime was to allow people to have time to adjust and avoid situations like 1.00 to 1.04 Zangief fucking over Snake Eyez.

>>163817802
I'm trying my best son. Holding TAP in this game is less tricky than SF4 since you can give up any 2 buttons instead of a certain combination of 3 but the move is really, really strong.

I really hope PR Rog streams again soon, I learned so much watching his last stream.

>>163817869
I'll be honest, most of my TAPs just end up hitting. I'll get a knockdown and do dash up TAP and just avoid any hit or throw they do on wakeup.

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>laura isn't braindead
https://oddshot.tv/shot/Uzq1QMVS1QNIEpe0wrI1-Ww0

how do you justify paying to play online

>>163817427
You'd be surprised. Check out Tekken notation in the west.

>>163818168
well if you have a suggestion to bypass an ISP and get internet for free I would love to hear it

>>163818084
all i know is that people in a certain illuminati discord are talking about a 2.01 version before cpt circuit starts

>>163818168
tyrone said we could afford it

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>>163818150

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>>163814272
Thank you so much!!

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SHIT GAME

I don't know what to fucking do against bedman

>>163816303
I don't think EVO has grown from 2015

>>163818385
ask gcyoshi

>>163818062
How big is the KI scene in Japan?
The only players I know are the guys that showed up to EVO, like that one good Cinder player.
Didn't seem like a big amount though. Has it been growing?

>>163817189
good thing there is no neutral in sfv

TS|Sabin @nycfurby 6h6 hours ago
Season 2 is more 50/50 heavy than ever. Does neutral even exist?

>>163818385
what are you having trouble with?

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>>163818224
Well, if you're right, I hope I can win a little more money with this broke ass Boxer before they fix it.

>>163818462
https://twitter.com/acekingoffsuit/status/748780594645995520

Doesn't account for spectator growth. I think there was around 8000-9000 unique tournament entrants

>>163818316
that happened to me when I messed with the launch options for using single thread, did you do anything like disable a core for the game or whatever launch options

>>163818302
HOLY SHIT DID NESICA 2 GET CRACKED WHILE I WAS GONE?

>>163818592

Fucking everything, I know he doesn't but he seems to have an answer for everything.

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wow arturo "nycfurby" sanchez just confirmed that season 2 has neutral and that you can even zone!!! based!!

>>163818617
well they accepted more entrants since they moved to a bigger place, what I meant was viewer numbers anyway.

>>163818302
can u play wit embryo sotrage

>>163817029
Japs have the problem of using whatever notation they feel like at the moment.
The only good standard is the western anime notation because it's natural, just the motions you do with your controller and it's easy to add game specific notations because all letters (except j) are free.
For framedata the last startup frame being the first active frame is the de facto standard.

>>163818302
Where did you download the CF rom?

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>>163818302
don't hit izanami too hard she's my girl

>>163818674
that was basically "day 1" thoughts, the tweet above is more recent :)

how do you want your neutral senpai
just stub my normals up

>>163818781
oh noooooooo all the day 1 tech and ideas should be deleted oh my goooooooood

>>163813075
not even the best in Hobo Hebijo

>>163818856
Just invincible my backdash up + ape mash os + tip so I can sleep at night (get it? because it's boring to watch sleep fighter iv's """""""""""""neutral""""""""""")

>>163818776
Is this a unicorn?

>>163818768
/fgg/ thread a few threads back, probably about 24 hours ago

>>163818062
>>163818492
I mean it's niche as fuck but still played and liked. It's not kusoge to them, just hardly anyone plays because xbone

which fightan is the best lewd

>>163819068
cumcum blasty

>>163818942
Sounds like someone's mad that he can't autopilot frametraps and tickthrows forever in high iq games

>>163819001
Do you still have the URL? Can't find it in the archives.

>>163819068
see >>163788883

>>163819090
who?

>>163812721
>Cast has (semi) unique kits and varied scuffling skills
>Hard to make a fighter out of it

Only real trouble is trying to get the moba flavor in it

>>163819105
>autopilot
>high iq

>>163819167
>>163727985

>>163819189
>>163788883
im pretty sure that game is serran kagura

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>>163818654
a long time ago, but yes some very kind soul leaked BBCF for christmas

>>163818768

https://mega.nz/#F!hp0nTDxZ!l3InDiTZh72OXBlm4f6cZg this is the game, download using megadownloader or something because there is a limit of 5 gigs every 6 hours

https://mega.nz/#!cEIhVa6Y!OpzOhOdqu4oVfdq9X4DyhnbSRlhXP575MWbjAvdE-sE something you need to set up the nesica service emulation so to speak

as a really small summary of what to do: extract the game into a BBCF folder, extract the content of the second mega zip in that folder, get the 302510.key and 304005.key files from gamekeys.zip and put them in the base folder too. then run nesicaxlive.reg, jconfig.exe, and finally game.exe. no guarantees that it'll work, didn't work for anon, had to troubleshoot some but it wasn't too complicated.

>>163818982
no it's death incarnate

>>163819247
>reading comprehension

>>163819167
Nevermind. I found it by backtracking with ctrl +f →

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I feel like I shouldn't main Juri if I don't have a foot fetish.

>>163819105
*invincible backdash your post* Heh, nice try, kid..
*dp fadc meme you* nothing, personal..... *randoms my free ultra papa ono gave me every round (for no monetary compensation)* you're finished, kid...

>>163819357
I wish this was /r/kappa so I could downvote this incredibly shitty post

So charge moves can only be done if the second motion is exact, right? Wouldn't an Octo gate be better for them then?

feelio when you spent $120 on sf5 even though it's boring because every other fighting game is shit too.

i hope this game survives until riot fighter is announced.

>>163819423
I'd like to piggy back this by asking if switching my square for an octo is a good idea.

>>163819357
>nothing, personal
>not personnel

C+ for effort

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I love grapplers

>>163819476
If they really decide to put league characters in a fighting game, I hope best girl Sona finds a way in.

>>163819423
>>163819481
what is it with you shitters and octo gates goddamn

>>163819481
Are you thinking of an 8gate because you can't reliably do inputs?

>>163819353
then i should be a cuck if i want to main balrog, or into besteality if i want to main urien

>>163819529
kys

>>163819553
riot fighter would really benefit from 3v3 marvel style gameplay.

>>163819560
the main issue I have is cancelling dp into qcf

>someone asks to borrow my stick
>tell them I use octogate
>I actually don't
>just don't want any greasy nerds sliming up my VSHG

>>163819529
>Laura
>Brazillian

Probably a tranny desu

>>163819484
Personnel means employee, idiot.

>>163819676
DP is much more difficult to input on octogates from what I've read.

>>163819656
that would be interesting

depends if riot would think that over complicates the game or if it makes it more interesting and appealing.

they're all about that accessibility.

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beep beep! Next big anime fighter coming through!

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>buy a vewlix diamond stick because i fell for the limited time meme
>haven't taken it out of the box once since the day i got it
i don't know why i do this shit. i buy figurines and i leave them in the box as well. am i autistic?

>>163819789
It's literally going to be Rising Thunder.

>>163819813
im already uninstalling revelator

>>163819836
buying figurines at all makes you autistic

sell that shit for more than you bought it for but less than the regular price if you don't want it

>>163819813
keijo got the lowest br sales this season. maybe the nips are finally developing a taste for good anime instead of softcore porn.

>>163819904
>you'll never kill your own industry by pandering to retards
feels bad man

Chris Tatarian @Chris_Tatarian 12h12 hours ago
@ultradavid I saw the ex tatsu nerf as a "people are hella complaining about it so let's nerf it" when in reality it needed to be buffed


so true imo..

>>163819724
Kill you're self faglord

Why are people like >>163818942 upset that SF4, for all its flaws, was a much better game than SFV? It's not even a controversial statement, SFV is really bad. SF4 wasn't even mentioned. Are the people defending SFV as a new, "honest" fighting game that desperate?

EVERY SF has a MUCH better neutral game than SFV.

Why is every Juri player cancerous? They never rematch when they lose and they keep tauting during the match like it means they're superior to anybody.

>>163820037
desu sf5 is utter trash but look at the alternatives: it's better than xrd, revelator, ki, and mkx.

i'll wait until riot fighter comes out before i start burying shit fighter.

Have any prominent Japanese voice actors done any of the characters from story mode? You could probably work out who is getting in from that.

>>163820037

*EVERY other SF

>>163819993
Is he talking about air ex tatsu? lmao

Good way to practice?

I'm new and want to play akuma. What are some combos I should know.

Also do I just play a level 8 bot and look for openings for the combos I learn? Is that a good way to practice?

You can grab shoryukens in V? Shit game

>>163812538
>4f delay vs ky
>literally cant do fucking anything because the buttons he sticks out in neutral beats everything and has a million active frames
>greed server is unblockable

>>163819904
hopefully it will at least outsell drifters.

>>163820120

yeah

https://twitter.com/Chris_Tatarian/status/813470983638040576

>>163820086
i think its time to add "riot fighter" to the filter.
please stop mentioning it and that pic of some brawl mod.

>>163820157
For some reason I read that as "grab shuriken" and was confused for a bit.

>>163820184
God's gift is literally perfect, but nice try peter.

>>163820225
Was drifters bad? I dropped it episode 2

>>163820131
play against people. find stuff that you lose to and practice against it in training mode.

>>163820131

Play against other humans.

You don't need combos that do lots of damage. Just learn combos that do okay damage and leave you in a good position to followup on. This is true for all characters. There are other mechanics to get down first.

The absolute worst players are the ones that have been playing for 5+ years and whose only objective skill is combos.

>>163820239
Wasn't the nerf just that it's not + on block now? I don't see how it would need a buff from S1.

>>163820264
I made it to episode 5. The show's tone is all over the place and it's tryhard edgelord shit is some of the worst I've seen since Akame ga Kill

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>>163819993
>>163820239
God, I hate Chris T so much.

I will never forget him playing that first to 10 with XSK Samurai, winning 8 games, then losing 8 games, and then clutching it out. Then when he's asked 'What changed?' he's just like

>DUHHHHH I DUNNO

Fucking imbecile.

I am really glad they got rid of EX Divekick. Ken is much more tolerable character now.

>>163820242
riot bought radiant so it's kind of obvious they're making a fighting game. why can't we discuss it in a fighting game thread?

I literally can't do Guile's CA when playing online, what gives? I can do it just fine in training mode, I don't understand.

>>163820131
never do dp with akuma unless you know opponent does free jump. just back+hp to demon flip or vskill kick to build some meter.

are any of the revelator DLC characters any good? wanna know who I should spend money on

>>163820345
hilarious because chris t can 10-0 you in literally any street fighter

>>163820157
HP and EX are throw invincible iirc.

>>163820395
Sorry man, Ken trinity has no power in Toronto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiH2IT-91bc

>>163820394
dizzy is top tier. def wortht he money.

Max has been shitting on SFV on his stream for hours.

>>163820394
kum is bad
dizzy is terrible
raven is one of the best characters in the game for the amount of time you have to spend on him to start winning, you can also fish raven out or spend 200k in game money on him

>>163820394
get dizzy

>>163820394
they're not especially high on the tier list but they're very unique characters. don't buy raven because he is both very bland, very high tier and most importantly very unlockable in game

2 bronze tier Laura questions. Whats some basic stuff to do on Laura when your opponent quick rises? I do okay when they dont but when they quick rise i kinda dont know something solid to do.

And second what just a solid normal->vtrigger->whatever combo that will do solid damage for a starter?

>>163820464
Why cause hes losing? I thought he was having alot of fun playing Akuma.

>>163820464
Is he seriously fucking smurfing?

>>163820447
>says Chris T can 10-0 you
>post a video of Not Chris T playing Not You

???

>>163820563
>Is he seriously fucking smurfing?

Not really, he's playing on PC.

So I've been out of fighting games for years now but picked up SFV in the sale

I had bad reflexes and ability to do combos even when I was in practice, so what character can I pick that's closest to character that can bully with normals?

Hard mode: has to be female

>>163820492
>Whats some basic stuff to do on Laura when your opponent quick rises?

Depends on the move you used to knock down. You'll have different frame advantage/disadvantage and could be able to dash>throw or throw meaty elbow or something.

>>163820442
I was doin fierce dp and balrog grabbed it I even saw the ink effect

>>163820620
His PC account is the account he took to plat

>>163820638
You need to learn how to do combos. Put some practice or stop playing fighting games.

>>163820620
cross platform game.

>>163820473
>they're not especially high on the tier list
> don't buy raven because he is both very bland, very high tier
???

>>163820452
>>163820465
one of you is lying

what's the deal with kum?

>>163820675
Is it really? I thought he only played ranked on consoles.

>>163820691
Are you retarded?

>>163820473
>they're very unique
kum is zato/raven/milia/ky
dizzy's zato without the pet.

>>163820563

I don't play online, did they reset rankings for season 2?

They did that with every major balance change in SF4.

>>163820718
Yeah, his road to plat series featured mods.

>>163820727
>zangief is ryu with a command grab

>>163820718
You are the one saying pc.

>>163819476
This is a bad mentality. Even MKX is better than SFC

>>163820727
>no mention of kum being like sol when he has ghetto grand viper and one of his main mixup tools is his throw

>>163820779
You can't play with the same account on PC and PS4 retard, you have to make a separate account for each.

>>163820661
Id say a vast majority of my knockdowns are from a sweep or from split river. I know i should command throw more but i still feel uncomfortable with the range unless its right after a light bolt charge.

so what does it mean when somebody "converts"

>>163820838
let's be honest here. the only reason to play kum is to do 2d ball. he's raven without the fly, milia without the bad dragon, zato without dive, ky without the dp.

>>163820464
>Gets beaten by gold players
>Can't progress beyond gold because he drops combos all the time
>Shit-talks everything about the game rather than dealing with the issue that he is bad at it
Same thing for USF4, he trashed it day in and out until the community as a whole accepted it was good, then he turned his thinking around to praise it.

SFV is no different, its easy to talk shit about right now.

I have no idea why people expect this game to be as good as a SF that took literally 5 years to get good.
>They shouldn't need to
They've always needed to

I hate that Max has a platform to speak upon, hes more harmful than helpful to the fgc and has been for a while now. Here's the hilarous thing though, he'll shit-talk it all day and all night, but he'll be there, every new character and update to make weeks of "content" of him prasing the shit out of the game because $$$.

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>>163820916

>>163820664
Checked the patchnotes, hp dp is throwable during startup. LP might be throw invincible.

>>163820948
>milia without the bad dragon, zato without dive
??
Stop talking out of your ass

>>163820967
I see you're not very fond of Max.

>>163820353
This is all fantasy but my hopes for it are
>classic 2d fighter 4 button controls
>interesting stock mechanics to let characters have unique and powerful moves without them being oppressive
>Sprite based because riot has an art division the size of a small city and sprite games look great
>roster limited to maybe 25 after all characters released, 12 at the start
>decently sized story mode since it would be the first time riot could do a single player mode that reveals the world
>gorgeous stage backgrounds

>>163820948
backkick is basically mays 6P that leads into 50% anywhere on screen meterless, just make hard reads all day & win

>>163820916

It means a situation, which appears without really any warning or planning, in which you are clearly able to do good damage to your opponent, and you "convert" from whatever it was you were doing to hitting them.

The key to it being that whatever you hit them with probably isn't "usual". When someone says you converted into damage well, then that probably means you used moves that were at the same time not what most people would think to do in that exact moment but were, in retrospect, good choices.

>>163821029
Why should I be? He's a hypocrite and a shill to boot.

He's become one of the worst type of people you can be when you play fighting games, he blames everything on the game, never improves and complains on the internet day in and out about it.

Shit the other night he did nothing but insult the shit out of a Vega and Ryu player on stream for being dumb, lost to them, trashed their play after beating them, then turned it all around after they donated to him with a bunch of "Great play dood! Great games!" Dude is scum.

>>163820857
I don't play Laura, but here's something someone linked about defending against Laura, which talks about some of her options.

>>163820997
Is there any other sf where that's the case. This is retarded

>>163821154
Was the Vega that Jinchuriki guy? Seems like Max has to play that guy every time he streams sfv. Shit's hilarious.

did your first stick cause finger fatigue? I think I need to rest for a day since after 4 hours today and 7 hours yesterday I can't consistently do akuma vskill kick anymore. The mp input is coming out by accident which does the punch vskill.

>>163821167
forgot link
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s717/sh/8013f353-0714-48a2-9b28-7667399fd179/735241d8225a1b2e4092d208d2c30a74

>>163821139
thank you

>tfw want to play other fighters but no one plays other fighters so you're stuck with SFV

Someone please fucking kill the capcom monopoly

Decapre's upper in SF4. Also Dudley's in 3S and SF4, if it's not being used as a reversal.

If you want to be super autistic, Cammy's upper in SF4 can also be thrown, but it literally has to be frame perfect and has to be an invincible grab like Gief's EX SPD.

>>163821274
Think so. That Vega was getting away with some really dumb shit too. It was sad.

Now I see this fucker legit smurfing now. Christ.

>>163821352
>Capcom monopoly

That's stupid, people choose to play SFV, nobody is forcing them, that's like saying Apple is a monopoly.

>>163821356

Meant to reply to >>163821181

>>163821181
Probably, not sure how I feel about throw vulnerability, but I'm glad they took out strike invincible startup from non-EX dp. Guess you actually have to play the wakeup guessing game like the rest of the cast now.

>>163821356
I'm talking ryu specifically

>>163821363
Every time he shows up it's; "Oh god, it's that crazy Vega." I'd almost expect it to be on a bingo card. As for smurfing, his ps4 account is doodbrodia or something like that, and his pc account is MaximilianDood. It looks like he's ignoring questions about it too.

>>163819676
like a super? For that you can just do forward down downforward P xx down downforward forward since I find the dp shortcut at a disadvantage for this

(623, 236 motions basically)

>>163812538
im legit shaking with rage right now, i sincerly wish death to all grappler players in the world. You guys have zero fundamentals or execution and are playing fucking vortexy no skill faggot characters because of your low iq. I am so fucking mad right now fuck grapplers and fuck grappler players

>>163812538
My shitty stick broke and I was thinking of either getting Qanba obsidian or making my own stick but I have no experience in that

Which is better, /fgg/?

today i learned fgg fucking sucks at fighting games because they sit in max's stream 24/7. sad!

>>163821461
Apple does have a monopoly just because it's Apple. It's name brand recognition, nothing more.

SF6 could be a literal turd and it would get most entrants at EVO because it's SF

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>>163821539

Here's a (You) for you.

>>163821480
The rest of the cast had other tools. Ryu being able to dp on pressure has been a staple of his game style. Eveyone pretty much gets max punish if you bait it out

>>163816540
Is it really necessary when you can listen whatever you want on jewtube?

>>163821603
Apple is a brand and SF is not? Why do people play SF then?

>>163821587
I'd rather sit on SpawnofOdd's stream, but his streaming hours are fucked.

>>163821539
Hey, take that back. Snake Eyez is pretty damn talented.

>>163821652
No silly, I'm saying people play SF because of its brand.

>>163821693
Then it's not a monopoly, genius.

What's the worst character in SFV right now? FANG?

>>163821624
Kill yourself
>>163821676
That nigger cant win without an overpowered grappler

What happened to the translations of Umehara - Fighting Gamers? I enjoyed reading it desu

>>163821721
Shut up faggot you know what I mean.

If SF dies, then fighting games can flourish again.

throw invincible TAP really is a blessing

>>163821813
If grapplers are so overpowered why aren't you playing one?

>>163821838
what is TAP

>>163821636
Ryu still has gorilla damage and other tools that other characters have. Meterless invincible wakeup options were disproportionately strong.

>>163821837
If SF died fighting games would die just like they did around 3.

>>163821885
turn around punch

balrog's move performed by holding and releasing 2 buttons

>>163821837

If SFV dies, then fighting games are over.

Unless you count Smash, or if Tekken becomes an unexpected hit (which it will or will not entirely on its own, SF being alive or dead doesn't matter).

>>163821885

Turn around punch.

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>>163821813

It's easier to kill (You) than me.

>>163821837
>If SF dies, then fighting games can flourish again

Is this what you honestly believe? If SF dies then the fighting genre die with it, people who play SF casually won't jump to another fighting game, they'll just jump to another genre.

>>163821941

If SFV were to die, we might get the promised diaspora though, where everyone spreads out to other games and the population becomes more balanced and more open to switching to new games, making it a more open market. Which would all be good things if they happened.

>>163821850
Because i have above 90 iq and prefer to open my opponent up honestly

>>163821941
EVO lived before SFV and SF4

The FGC will just go back to what people want to play. The main game would be whatever has the most entrants at events. If a side game gets tons of people, then the TOs would notice

>>163821995
>we might get the promised diaspora

Nope, that's not how this actually works. Everyone will just stop playing.

Starcraft 2 dying didn't make Company of Heroes 2 a hit. If anything, it hurt both games despite both of them being competitors. That is how it actually works.

>>163822031
Who is this honest character you claim to use, and follow up. Why aren't top 8's in every game filled to the brim with grapplers?

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Be honest.

You wouldn't be as interested in fighting games if didn't feature so many female characters right?

>>163819243
>What is Rising Thunders 1 button specials with cool downs.

>>163822137

My initial interest in fighting games was that it was lots of fun with my friends.

My continued interest is in getting better at them. Same as one has an interest in getting better at playing an instrument.

Boobs on a guitar don't mean shit.

>>163822137
im not underaged so no

>>163821912
Is that the case in sfv cause ryus barely ever been high tier despite always having a invc dp

>>163822062
What makes you think people who play SF exclusively will just decide to play other fighting games? They'll just go play some other competitive game like Overwatch.

can someone post a link to s2 frame data?

Anyone SFV EU?

Whats the consensus on the balancing in SFV season 2? Is it noticeably better or did capcom drop the ball?

>>163822062

If a side game does get lots of entrants, then the TOs do notice.

It's just that the only time that has happened is Smash.

Maybe the problem is just you.

>>163822321
SFV is the Overwatch of fighters after all. Makes sense

>>163822230
Being able to blow up basically anything on wakeup that isn't a block or another invincible option is pretty significant. Being able to do so with no resources, even more so.

Ryu was arguably the best character in season 1.

>>163822078
Holy fuck this. SFV is pretty shit but at the end of the day Capcom is the glue that holds the FGC together. If SF actually dies than it means less people overall are getting interested in fighting games even if a few existing players spread out to KoF or GG or whatever.

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>>163821539

>>163822430
I think it's overall better but still some odd changes like Alex/Fang nerfs and that level of Urien buffs.

>>163822469
Oh well that's what I get for waiting to get my moneys worth

>>163822321
>>163822434
>looks at my two most played games of 2016
>SFV and Overwatch

ah shit

>>163822471
SF was dead for years before SF4 yet the scene was fine

PLAY ALPHA 3

>>163822430
Addressed a few issues, some rando changes just don't make sense like Urien and Guile buffs and Fang nerfs. Overall its a step forward.

>>163812538
Is it safe to assume this season we are playing Urien Fighter V #UngaUp?

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>tfw to smart to play top tiers

>>163822321

It would really just depend on whether someone was present and willing to take advantage of the market vacuum with a SF-like. They would pull in all the SF orphans and truly convert them into FGC people; those who made the journey would no longer play the game because it's SF, but because it's a fighting game, and thus they would become true fans of the genre, capable of leaping to other franchises after being released from the grip of Capcom entrancement.

>>163822330
I don't it's posted in table form for all characters. Toolassisted has it up for some of them I know. You might have to do it by hand by looking at the patchnotes.

>>163822471
Capcom can't keep getting away with this holy shit. Someone needs to take away SFs crown without further dumbing things down

>>163822553
I pray the rumors are true and there will be a 2nd pass of balance changes before the season starts.
>>163822602
Don't think thats possible senpai. SFV is fairly dumbed down but still too hard for casuals. Anything less complex gets dull very quickly.

>>163822469

Ryu was arguably the best because of damage, parry, and actually having a couple of normals with reach in SFV.

DP is just DP. It's always been the same for decades. The move already has crush counter responses. If you're losing to literally a random chance variable of "he might upper", then you need to seriously reassess whether you consider your opponent's wakeup to be a totally free "I get to do whatever I want" scenario.

He gets about a seventh of your life if you get uppered. You get over a third of his plus maybe a dizzy if you win the rock/paper/scissors game.

>>163822083
Isnt it funny that every single game with a top tier grappler is no longer played? The best games in fighting game history all had grapplers in trash tier because grapplers are complete fucking cancer to play against even devs know this

>>163822202
They do though.

>>163822849

Funny, T.Hawk is top tier in ST and that's the game that built the genre.

>parrying with akuma causes potential damage buildup

FOR
WHAT
FUCKING
PORPOISE

If you parry wo fireballs and dont react fast enough to DP a jump-in or even so much as trade, goodbye 30% of your life

>>163822602
Name recognition means a huge amount. It's going to take a lot more than just making better games than capcom (which imo the other devs are currently doing) in order to overtake it in popularity.

More sales also means more tournament dollars which leads to a larger scene and more recognition. It's kind of like a vicious cycle for the devs who see less success.

>>163822902
Because he has every other tool you could possibly have. Only holes in his game are low HP and stun, if his skill was a parry he'd be retarded to play against.

>>163822902

>if you fuck up your moves when he's swinging at you then you get hurt

Duh?

>>163822892
Funny, ST is also no longer played.

>>163822892
ST is a shit game with literally random damage/stun that means sometimes you TOD someone on a jumpin and sometimes you don't

>>163822790
Yeah, they gotta take out the auto-counter now, but just the threat of being able to do it was always a factor in wakeup oki mindgames.

>>163822924
How do other games even compete in that case?

Porting KI to Steam or even PS4 wouldnt help it
Injustice 2 being the best NRS game and having crossplay plus a good PC port wouldnt help it
Tekken 7 having crossplay wouldnt help it

>>163822967

It's played constantly, it'll probably outlive SFV at this rate.

>>163822978

So? It's a problem, but it doesn't kill the game.

Is Laura the new Mika?

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>>163822716
>>163822924

The crux of it is really simple I think; to break in with casuals...well, let's not call them casuals, just non-diehards, because even people who are into games in general might not have the patience for FG mechanics. The trick to getting in with non-diehards is having a game where just knowing enough to do specials is enough to reach entry-level execution. What keeps people away from anime games and KI and MAHVEL and shit is purely that the combos are too long; nobody wants to study that shit before they can compete. There just has to be a game where hitting solitary normals and specials is enough to win reasonably (even if combos still exist and are important). Nothing else creates as much of a barrier to entry as that single factor.

But I don't think many devs try to compete there because 1) they know Capcom has that market pretty much locked and 2) they're FG players themselves who want to be making more complicated games, not pandering to newbies.

>>163823119
nope

>>163823080
>its played constantly
wasnt aware theres dedicated st players who travel to play their game. 15 man monthy in japan and side tournament at capcum tourny doesnt count

>>163823191
>wasnt aware theres dedicated st players who travel to play their game

That's probably because you've never been to a tournament.

Isn't Akuma basically a more sophisticated Ryu? They basically have the same footsies and stuff they can do except Akuma can do more.

>>163823152
KI has an extensive tutorial for it though, and the combos aren't like marvel where you just put your controller down until the opponent finishes. That didn't do anything for it though

>>163823232
Akuma has always been a more sophisticated Ryu but he also has like 80% of Ryu's health which means two combos could potentially kill you.

>>163823152
That would make a sick Cammy costume desu

>>163823232

Basically, but with less health so that maintaining control is more important.

Akuma is really the shoto as it should be; has all the options because he needs them all in order to stay alive, the ultimate tool for the system master but a flimsy paper tiger for the uninitiated.

>>163823231
i went to 4 majors this year dude for my game thats actually alive, while youre in your basement playing fightcade all day

I miss Gouken

>>163823119
Laura was always like Mika, just worse.

Her mix-ups are now more advanced and she is a better character though.

>>163823382
Akuma in SFV is pretty easy to play though, almost all his combos are easy to execute, and I'm saying easy by SFV standards which are already quite easy.

>>163823232

I haven't tried SFV Akuma, but if he's better at footsies than SFV Ryu, then that will be the first time that that has happened.

It's not just that his health is low enough that risks are, well, riskier. Stuff like Ryu normally has a more straight forward gameplan that gets good damage from those footsies moves, like low forward.

>>163823076
I mean cross play for any game would probably increase sales marginally but to compete with SFV it isn't enough, you're right. As for the how...I have no idea. If I did I'd probably be asking for a marketing position at ASW or some other dev. In terms of actual tournament scene they'd probably have to take a financial risk in order to draw in new high level players but if it back fires they just waste a bunch of money.

>>163823152
I think your second point is pretty accurate. If you look at some devs they outright say they're more interested in making a game they enjoy rather than having it be super competitive.

I think people also write off certain games because they LOOK really insane at a high level of play which is of course what you're going to find when you youtube some matches. Showing people that the game can actually be played by mortals generally requires them to actually play it though.

>>163823479
using his vskill followups in combos makes him more executionally taxing than like 3/4 of the cast lol

>>163823490
ryu's low forward has no range in SFV

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>>163823262

True, and SG has a great tutorial too, but I think that's just not enough. Even if the game holds their hands through the longer combos they still have to learn those combos. The strength of SF in this capacity is that any idiot can spend five seconds looking at the command list and have a decent mastery of the tools he needs to succeed.

I think any dev team that wanted to usurp Capcom would just need to follow that one design goal to be able to create a worthy competitor, no matter what else they did.

>>163823341

Rise > Cammy

>>163823575

So long as it's better than Akuma's, then the theory holds.

>>163823430

kek if you'd ever been to a major then you'd know ST was still played.

>>163823490
They nerfed Ryus damage and they made his normals even stubbier, I respect the change to jump lk and nerf to his damage but they should've left the range on his buttons and his meaty is -2 now, they fucked him making him like mid tier.

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>>163823479

Even if they were it's more knowing which of his tools to use when in neutral, when pushing offense or when defending, rather than combos.

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How does an unintelligent person learn the neutral game?

>>163823713
just unga them, there is no neutral

>>163823713

Same way you learn everything the hard way: Try, fail, try again.

>>163823538
>Showing people that the game can actually be played by mortals generally requires them to actually play it though.

That would probably be a great thing to keep in mind when trying to make a Street Fighter-killer; I think both that aspect and the combo aspect are issues with "hooking" people. Offering a basic version of the game which is FTP might be a crucial part of hooking people into your game, then getting them to buy more shit to actually turn a profit after they're hooked.

...holy shit, this is exactly what Riot's going to do.

>>163823713
By understanding it. You want to put the opponent in a situation where they have to guess what you'll do next and avoid them putting you in the same situation.

Using a very simple example, imagine it's Ryu v Ryu. He dashes on your face and now you have to guess between st.mp or throw. Guess wrong and you'll either get thrown or combo'ed. You lost the neutral there because he dashed into you unopposed. You didn't maintain the range, dashed yourself, did st.lk to stop it, etc.

So look at neutral at "how can I make my opponent have to guess while I avoid being in situations where I have to guess".

>>163823997
>He dashes on your face and now you have to guess between st.mp or throw

you're already playing footsies wrong

So did they actually already scrap the RQ icon system, or does it simply need more work?