/hg/ - Halo General

>>163405823
>you will never get death by snu-snu from a Spartan

Let's try to be more civil in this one.

>Can someone give me arguments in defense of Health Packs?
>What what you change for Halo 6 MP?

>>163405830
>random mystery boxes with no visual cues on their person
It's one thing to maybe not be behind someone so they hide the orange glowing light on their back that reveals they're using armorlock, but it's another thing to not notice the FUCKING JETPACK on someone's back.

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OBJECTIVE MP RANKING
CE > H2 = H5 > H3 > H4 > Reach

That EU Downloads mega link is bork.

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>>163406025
First post for anime

>>163405981
Thats one example, and also points out a flaw in the balance between the AAs themselves.

>>163406025
This is fine

>>163405974
>Can someone give me arguments in defense of Health Packs, but I don't have to make a solid argument for their removal?
ftfy

>>163405974
>>What what you change for Halo 6 MP?
Remove Sprint, Charge, Ground Pound, and Hover.
Leave boost and up base move speed.
Remove radar.
Nerf automatics.
Remove clone precision weapons (br, carbine, lr, dmr) from slayer maps.

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>>163405823
THE /HG/TAGE IV: BUNGIE EDITION is currently accepting clips from these games.
>Halo: Combat Evolved/Anniversary/SPV3
>Halo 2/Anniversary/Vista/Project Cartographer
>Halo 3/ODST/Firefight
>Halo Wars
>Halo: Reach
>Halo: The Master Chief Collection (excluding Halo 4/Spartan Ops)

To submit a clip, either reply to this post with the xboxdvr/thehostyouuse link or message that link to "Sweaty Towels" on waypoint. Use the past community’tages as a reference on what to submit. I’ll be looking for casual and competitive clips from the multiplayer and the campaign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh3KQb9dU4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fofX-OITWMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj0swJRlm5g

>>163406025
Fuck off Sayaka

3 >= 2 > CE > 5 > Reach > 4

>>163406025
I can agree with this list

>>163406103
Then I guess 1 and 2 were the least balanced and worst multiplayers because 3 invented showing the secondary weapon on the player model.

>>163406134
You will be ignored until you participate like an adult

>>163406160
>remove radar
Why?

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>>163405823
xbox.com

>>163406314
>Why?
Radar is unfair. If someone crouches or walks slow, then the other player can't tell they're there. It makes asymmetrical gameplay and uneven fights. It promotes camping and defensive play.

>>163406235
Switch takes time and you can be prepared for anything weapon related in almost any situation, AAs were often get out of jail free cards from spawn.

Weapons on models was a good design choice though and an improvement.

>>163406314
Radar is bad since it benefits camping and slow movement.

>>163406409
>Switch takes time and you can be prepared for anything weapon related in almost any situation
If you can be ready for a rocket launcher, you can be ready for a guy to make himself completely immobile for five seconds.

>>163406391
Removing radar takes out the primary method of alerting the player to the opponent, you will have a LOT more sneaky asymmetrical fights if the player can flank at full speed.

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>>163406150
>not posting the real version

>>163406025
Put CE below 3 and it's spot on.

>>163406515
But by your logic, then camping becomes unreliable because someone could walk around a corner unannounced at ANY moment.

>>163406494
Jump vs the dance stops for five seconds as he recharges and opponents pick you off

>>163406515
If you flank someone you should be rewarded with an asymmetrical fight.
Radar sucks because the best play with it if you're ahead is to simply camp a good intersection or area of map waiting for red dot to show up.

>>163406613
>jump a rocket
>in CE
And if we're bringing in other players, then jump that splash damage while his teammates pick you off with pistols.

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>tfw remembered Halo Online is fucking dead

>>163406349
Where is this on there?

>>163406607
Camping does take a hit but so does legitimate play.

You would get a lot more movement and hold points would switch quickly.

I just think the radar is so integral to fair 1v1 combat that the benifits outweigh the occasional camper. No radar turns every encounter into an unprepared fuckfest. With radar you can prepare your weapons and placement for the upcoming combat, it allows more decision making in anticipation for the battle.

It also allows players to make risk/reward decisions like "should I run out there and get that power weapon with that guy on my left?" Without the radar you would always choose to just go for it

>>163406859
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/game-crest-2016/share

>>163406906
>No radar turns every encounter into an unprepared fuckfest.
Except every time someone turns a blind corner.
>With radar you can prepare your weapons and placement for the upcoming combat, it allows more decision making in anticipation for the battle.
And not everyone will have the weapons that others have, making it unfair.
>Without the radar you would always choose to just go for it
That's just you being too dumb to live. The same principles still apply.

>>163406735
Without a radar it wasn't skillful to flank someone

I believe if you flank someone crouching with low movement speed and launch a sucessful ambush you deserve it

>>163406739
It's a power weapon that the opponent picked off the map. This is why we don't have rocket starts in normal game modes.

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>>163407002
My GS isn't that high, so I'm curious what the numbers above me are.

>>163406515
In other fps this comes with experience and knowledge of the map as you start to understand spawns, map flow, etc you can guess where people are likely coming from. Of course enemy can then try and trick you. This is interesting.
Radar removes it all by giving exact location info to every nearby enemy unless you move at crawl speed the whole time.

>>163406906
>I just think the radar is so integral to fair 1v1 combat that the benifits outweigh the occasional camper. No radar turns every encounter into an unprepared fuckfest. With radar you can prepare your weapons and placement for the upcoming combat, it allows more decision making in anticipation for the battle.
No offense but this is casual as fuck, without radar you don't just "go for it" you judge your odds given imperfect knowledge of enemy's location.
Giving everyone perfect info of enemy in local area around them is a way to help noobs who can't learn maps.
What quake 1v1 matches they have no radar but they can guess where enemy is and take predicted shots and sometimes they hit, that's fun and adds another level to game.
Halo 5 already has a similar mechanic in place since grenades have hit markers so you can use them to scout enemies locations.

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>>163406025
This is good

>>163407043
Please eleborate on all 3 to be honest

How would turning a blind corner not turn into an unprepared fuckfest?

Why should the player with the better weapon that he earned be gimped?

why should I have magical intuition powers and not run out and grab it with no notification that there is danger at all?

>>163407071
>It's a power weapon that the opponent picked off the map. This is why we don't have rocket starts in normal game modes.
The discussion was never about that. It was about reacting to armaments that could not be seen. Someone claimed that because you can't see Reach's powerups from every angle on their body, they are entirely unfair, but I compared this to CE and 2 doing what he claimed Reach did with every single weapon in the game and this is somehow different.

>>163407235
>why should I have magical intuition powers and not run out and grab it with no notification that there is danger at all?
Because you should've gotten gud.
There's a reason other fps don't have radar and every competitive halo scene until H5 didn't have radar.

>>163407197
Grade indicators are much larger indicators of casualization that radar in Halo.

Halo is a thinking game, each fight is a dance and the radar allows the participants to put their cards on the table, for a moment, before the dance starts.

Removing it just makes it hide and go seek.

>>163407235
>How would turning a blind corner not turn into an unprepared fuckfest?
Someone will wait around the corner regardless of whether radars are on. I'm playing devil's advocate right now, but SWAT is proof of this. With them on, it gives a severe advantage to the camper, but with them off it becomes more equal.
>Why should the player with the better weapon that he earned be gimped?
"Earned" is the key word here. You hate asymmetrical gameplay, but you need to back up that they didn't "earn" it asymmetrically. You'd have to take into account the map shape, the spawns, did he turn a corner and kill someone in a 2v1 who was lacking shields, etc.?
>why should I have magical intuition powers and not run out and grab it with no notification that there is danger at all?
Because not running face-first into the unknown isn't magical intuition, it's common sense. You're playing Halo. You know you're locked in an arena with guys who have guns. Once again, SWAT proves these claims. People circle the maps and try to cover all lines of sight and carefully check corners. Nobody just sprints across the center of The Rig. They make up for the lack of radar, not turn into blind lemmings.

>>163407350
Is there any other game that plays like Halo?

Should Halo seek to be more like other games?

>>163407421
>Halo is a thinking game, each fight is a dance and the radar allows the participants to put their cards on the table, for a moment, before the dance starts.
It's like playing face up poker.
There is no "dance" with radar, it's just wait until he gets tired of waiting and comes around the corner so I can blast him.

>>163406025
I'm not gonna go off of what happened at launch with each of these games. Just gonna rank them based on how they play now.

Halo 3 > Halo 2 > Halo 5 > Halo 4 > Halo: Reach > Halo: CE

>>163407537
In the case of radar, yes Halo should be like other fps.

>>163407526
Swat doesn't count because the TTK is low

I don't hate asymmetrical gameplay, I hate asymmetrical starts.

So you slow the game down and play it safe 100% of the time?

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Reposting the one from the last thread.

Everyone seems to like strawpolls as much as I like statistics, so I figured I make a few. I've seen other boards gather similar types of information to cut through this shitposting, and beyond the /hg/ company stats, I know of nothing like that here, so I figured I do it now.

Once the data's been gathered, I'll throw all the charts onto an image.
1. Best Campaign
http://strawpoll.de/z5w6f9y

2. Best Custom Games
https://strawpoll.de/9fd9ew5

3. Best Matchmaking
https://strawpoll.de/a8gy61g

4. Best Sandbox
https://strawpoll.de/6ss3sd4

5. H5 Campaign
http://strawpoll.de/rfyg2d6

6. H5 Multiplayer Playlist Frequency
https://strawpoll.de/gyff2eg

7. H5 BTB
http://strawpoll.de/8eas9gf

8. H5 Strongholds BTB
http://strawpoll.de/z2zg8y2

9. H5 Button Layout
http://strawpoll.de/65r4wb1

10. Look sensitivity
http://strawpoll.de/6139edg

11. Look Inversion
http://strawpoll.de/783fae7

12. H5 Announcer
http://strawpoll.de/968awse

13. Age
https://strawpoll.de/bd33b56

14. Teabagging
https://strawpoll.de/abgdb2e

15. Customs Browser
https://strawpoll.de/29sgscr

16. State of the MCC
https://strawpoll.de/s9g269d

17. 343 as a Company
https://strawpoll.de/dzrdf2w

>>163407545
Grenades, flanking, the jump, choosing your weapon, you ducking or standing in the center or peeking before he does

It turns a random happenstance into a mexican standoff with far more mental variables and complex mind games

>>163407692
Too many polls and too many options

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>163406349
>163407171

>>163407664
>Swat doesn't count because the TTK is low
Doesn't matter. Want another example? Breakout. Want another? Slayer Pro.
>I don't hate asymmetrical gameplay, I hate asymmetrical starts.
But we covered you did. You've spent all evening arguing that something being even slightly asymmetrical is a failure of the game design.
>So you slow the game down and play it safe 100% of the time?
There's a difference between "slowing down and playing it safe" and "not blindly walking out to the power weapon that's probably being camped."

Are you guys arguing about radar??

Radar has been in halo since the start. It should stay.

>>163407813
It's always been shit.

>>163407813
It should stay, but 5's radar is shit. They decreased the range, despite granting unlimited sprint and the new movement options.

I'm reading Halo: Fractures. It's an excellent book by all accounts, but now I'm at Rossbach's World. Why is Brian Reed's writing so goddamn awful?

>>163407808
>>163407808
Oh you're that guy. Just stop. Flanderizing your opponents arguement isn't acting like an adult, I provided the benefits and problems with health packs, not just a blatant rule about fairness, game design doesn't work in absolutes.

>>163407813
This obviously, no radar works for swat and some infection gametypes but it ruins half of the strategy in combat encounters

If you like radar you're a dumb casual.
Go play action sack.

>>163408076
>>163407910
Only in Halo 5, my friends.

>>163408076
No radar = making it more cod-like

>radar is always accurate instead of updating like Aliens' motion scanner
>radar in later games even gives elevation information
How long until we just get to see enemy outline of anybody nearby?
That'll give us "mindgames" right?

>>163408076
If you don't like radar, you're a dumb casual who can't handle a prepared opponent

>>163408031
>Oh you're that guy. Just stop.
I'm not the one who made the original claim.
>I provided the benefits and problems with health packs, not just a blatant rule about fairness
Your only argument against it is "well I might start a second firefight with slightly less health." You have yet to back up this type of point in regards to "slightly less ammo/shields/power weapons/grenades."
>game design doesn't work in absolutes.
Except you insist on it in absolutes and demand absolutes from other people. And when you get them, you just say "not an argument." Hell, you just completely ignored all of the points that you JUST ASKED FOR because you can't counter them.

>>163408214
More quake-like.

>>163408243
There goes the slippery slope and flanderization.

No, promethian vision gives you EXACT placement, radar still lives a bit of guessing.

You ever play CE on boarding action? Radar with no elevation sucks

>>163408243
Yeah and shitters never looked at their radar

>>163408257
Yes every other competitive shooter and every pro Halo player since CE is wrong.
Radar isn't casual at all :^)

>>163408365
>the game isn't telling me exactly where my enemy is
OH THE HUMANITY

>>163408348
Should Halo play like Quake?

Is Quale viable on a console?

>>163408076
>the majority of /hg/ is casual
see
>>163407692
>wants to suck the pros dick even further after they ruined arena maps
Radar needs to stay and become larger by default. The pros should have their own playlist where the few dozen of them play against each other because no one else wants to play without radar. Oh wait, that's already happened in Halo 2, Halo 3, and Halo: Reach.

>>163408445
There goes the appeal to the majority and flanderization.

Captcha: Provide Arguments

>>163408483
>the majority of /hg/ is casual
Uh not sure why you linked the post with the polls.
But yes the majority of /hg/ is casual as fuck when it comes to Halo mp.

>>163408483
>Radar needs to stay and become larger by default
Let's just make it show the whole map.

>>163408726
That would make for a nifty gametype, but there goes the flanderization

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>/hg/ boasts about dedication and goes on about autism points
>they'll never be dedicated enough to play a halo game meant for cheeki breekis and they never will

>>163408726
Let's just make the player deaf and blind, then nobody can camp around any corners

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>>163408580
>Uh not sure why you linked the post with the polls.
pic related

>>163408726
Stay salty

>>163408780
Is this /hg/'s new word for "I ran out of arguments?" Flanderization?

>>163408914
Why not remove all posts, that way nobody can run out of arguments

>>163408992
Flanderization

>>163408445
Halo was never popular because of its competitive scene. It was popular from the casual players.


You think the reason why halo 3 sold millions and millions of copies was all from MLG tryhards?

>>163408992
Stop flanderizing.

>>163408914
>if x than XXXXXXXXXXXXX
>an argument

>>163409081
But it wasn't even my post. I'm just pointing out that someone has, instead of offering counterarguments, just been saying "flanderizing."

>>163409045
You think radar was why Halo 3 sold millions?
The casuals have moved on, Halo isn't and will never be top dog again. Why keep pandering to them?

>>163409147
You can't counter a nonargument, if you are just flanderizing a previous argument you've provided no substance to the discussion, it's the socratic equivelent of throwing turds

>>163409179
>Why keep pandering to them?
Because they're the majority of the Halo players. You know what isn't the majority? The competitive scene.

>>163409179
not even me but wow.

>radar is the only thing that attracts casual players
>if x than XXXXXXXXXXX

>>163409248
>You can't counter a nonargument, if you are just flanderizing a previous argument you've provided no substance to the discussion
Logical extensions to show flaws in another's argument is an argument. If you can't easily prove why it's wrong, then you are probably the one without the argument.

>>163409269
You can want some depth in your Halo without being an esports fag.

>>163409378
Wait so EVERYONE who has failed to respond to every person with an opinion different than theirs is wrong?

here is an example, i've provided no substance, i've made no point, i've not addressed anything, i've just no u'd my way into thinking i'm superior by smugly insulting your view

>>163409439
And depth is exactly what radar adds

>>163409439
You're asking who it's better to pander to. Here, the majority is also the group who harmed the core gameplay less.

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>>163407780
Then pick whatever poll you like. As you can see, more people have voted in the first 4 and last polls than the others.

>>163409179
> Halo 5 features a heavy focus on the comp scene
> Launches with barebones social gametype support
> people complain until social playlists are added
Gee, it's almost as if the competitive scene is a bunch of niche shit that nobody actually cares much for.

>>163409439
Radar adds so much strategic value in every encounter, without radar every encounter is luck of the draw who has what out and who is where

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>>163409571
"depth"

>>163409526
>here is an example, i've provided no substance, i've made no point, i've not addressed anything, i've just no u'd my way into thinking i'm superior by smugly insulting your view
That's all of your posts. You never respond to claims, ever. You just say "not an argument", smugly act like you've won, and just show everyone that you can't back up what you said. Either counter the argument or just stop posting.

>>163409654
>>163409526
Exhibit A

>>163409638
>without radar every encounter is luck of the draw who has what out and who is where
How fucking bad are you that you think this?
Learn. The. Maps.

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>>163406349
>>163407171
>>163407782
Did I do good?

>>163409684
Still not acting like an adult, you've provided no arguments on healthpacks and few flimsy arguements about radar that have been countered with no rebuttle.

>>163409575
The casuals have clearly harmed the core gameplay more.
They're the reason we got sprint, ads, hit markers, and op autos.

>>163409751
He considers not running out into the open blindly to be "magical intuition powers." I don't think he can learn a map.

>>163409751
So you should play like you are about to be ambushed always?

Say a prayer before every reload because it's a coinflip?

Throw random grenades everywhere because fuck it?

>>163409915
If you learned the maps you'd know when you're likely to be ambushed.
If you learned the maps you'd learn when it was a good time to reload.
If you learned the maps you'd learn where to throw grenades.

>>163409819
>you've provided no arguments on healthpacks
I provided several, and you just kept dodging the argument when we got to your double standard concering the asymmetrical advantages that standing near a medpack gives you vs standing near an overshield, despite both being timed respawns that anyone can grab.
>and few flimsy arguements about radar that have been countered with no rebuttle.
You actually specifically never countered them at all. I even pointed this out. You tried to draw attention to my character instead of respond to them, which I should remind you is a non-argument.

>>163409814
Get with the 1%.
Nah, bra. You're okay.

>>163409843
Halo casuals and CoD players are different markets.

>>163409861
Yup, no tactical decision making on risking the run or not, always play it safe because who the fuck knows what could happen

>>163409814
How do I see this?

>>163410025
>always play it safe because who the fuck knows what could happen
You should be doing that with or without radar. Your example didn't even concern making a "tactical decision." You just said to bolt for it because you can't see anyone.

>>163409982
Explain further, give examples.

>>163409575
> implying esports fags aren't the single worst cancer to happen to Halo
Having esports fags informing Halo's multiplayer direction is half of the issue with Halo 5, and the other half is the rubber-banding from a fully casual experience in Reach to 'well, they didn't much care for a game focused around casual play, so let's focus it around competitive instead'.

In the end neither side ended up fully satisfied with Halo 5. Arena playlists only performed as well as they have due to the fact that, up until recently, it was either that or Warzone. There was no real 'casual' experience until BTB was added, and even then, the limited number of playlists and actual, dedicated BTB maps was more of a hindrance than a help - by which points most of the esports fags had already gotten bored and fucked off to other games.

Both sides do have a place in Halo, I'll admit, but neither 343i nor Bungie really knew how to balance between the two very well. Halo 2 and Halo 3 came probably the closest out of the entire series, Reach was very much casual-biased and Halo 4 was just a fucking mess. Halo 5.... ehn. You can tell that 343i are really trying, but their take on it all just seems pretty bland and uninspired.

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>>163406349

What shitshow this threads been. Only 20ips too

>>163410130
>implying esports fags aren't the single worst cancer to happen to Halo
But anon, that's what I said. When I said "the majority harmed it less" I meant that casuals are the majority, so the minority of players who align with esports harmed it more. We agree.

>>163410095
Risk vs reward

Do I risk being injured with the reward of a faster power weapon or do I play it safe and slink around till I grab it

Radar gives the player more information to make that judgement, but not enough to guarentee safety

>>163410251
>Risk vs reward
This is new to the argument.
>Do I risk being injured with the reward of a faster power weapon or do I play it safe and slink around till I grab it
We're talking about a power weapon that is most likely purposefully being camped, so you take it easy. Hell, Halo 5 shows you when it's gone these days with weapon pads.
>Radar gives the player more information to make that judgement, but not enough to guarentee safety
And the argument was about players camping, so radar does not help.

>>163410129
If killed a guy in blue room door to dunes and you're entering the door don't reload.
If you're top mid from blue room with beam rifle and you're team just killed them and are on stage and that side of map chuck a grenade at dunes in a couple seconds or check it out.

>>163410436
*covering top mid

>>163410338
>most likely being camped

And how would the player know that? Is leaving them guessing when the make the decision more fun or fair than giving them limited but valuable information to make the decision?

For example, having a radar that shows the whole map is like having grenade indicators, you know exactly what to do and have all the information.

Having no radar would be like making grenades harder to see and make them silent, you don't have any information to react so you constantly hop to avoid grenades that you are guessing could be there due to past experience.

The radar system we have now is like the grenades pre Halo 4, they have audio and visual cues and a good wind up so you can use the limited information to make an informed decision, but not the perfect one unless you are really experienced.

>>163409654
What's better, constantly killing and getting killed around doors and corners or actually having a radar to strategize around chokepoints like that.

You anti-radar fags are all forgetting a very important aspect, you won't show up on radar if you don't move/move slowly

>>163410627
>And how would the player know that?
Common sense.
>you know exactly what to do and have all the information.
No you don't. Someone can stop moving, crouch, or walk slow.
>Having no radar would be like making grenades harder to see and make them silent
No it doesn't. It'd just be the removal of grenade indications. You can still hear players walk, see them walk, etc.
>they have audio and visual cues and a good wind up so you can use the limited information to make an informed decision, but not the perfect one unless you are really experienced.
I was never aware that radar had audio cues. What Halo are you playing? But you can also make these assumptions without a radar.

>>163410627
>Is leaving them guessing when the make the decision more fun or fair than giving them limited but valuable information to make the decision?
They already have information from the game and prior knowledge.
Do you think people in CS and Quake are just wandering around with no sense of where enemy is?

>>163410436
Those are all guesses on behalf of the player, and not all of the context clues will be there. Sound design and team awareness go hand in hand with radar for decision making.

>>163409843
Autos are not OP, semis outclass them 90% of the time

I see what you mean with hitmarkers as they can reveal people hiding by using grenades and such, but for actual weapons it's good to know when you hit and miss

>>163410793
Highly educated guesses, some of which are far out of range of the radar for a radar to even matter.

>>163410749
>You anti-radar fags are all forgetting a very important aspect, you won't show up on radar if you don't move/move slowly
We're not forgetting that at all, that's the whole issue.
Since a stationary guy doesn't show up the "strategy" for corner becomes stand still while doofus walks up on rada then bash him.

>>163410884
Yes, and with no radar at all, that's what ALL the gameplay will be like.

You'll have the advantage of those shotgun campers except now you're full speed.

>>163410856
Not with H5 maps and radar and movement.
Autos are EZ mode for way more than 10% of time, especially storm rifle.

>>163410774
>someone can crouch or stop moving
And that is their risk vs reward, eliminating or reducing movement for the benefit of surprise. Even MORE depth. And stresses the point that the radar is not perfect information.

>you can determine where players are reasonably by hearing them walk

No.

>radar has audio cues *snarky comment*

Was talking about grenades, I swear my easy to read arguments have been misunderstood like 30 times in the past two threads. Read what I post.

>>163410987
No because without radar neither party has perfect info of enemy location other than sight.
With radar it's asymmetric and camper knows exactly where enemy is while other guy is blind to the camper's location.

>>163410875
Do you prefer your FPS to be more like poker or chess?

>>163411000
Most people don't even know how to use the storm rifle properly with leading shots and feathering the trigger

Just because you're good at using the one good automatic doesn't mean everyone is. By and large, automatics are not OP, because most of the players using them are not that skilled. Of course if you have a pro who lands 99% of shots, it will seem a bit OP

>>163411148
>implying halo with radar is like chess
bruh

>>163411061
>eliminating or reducing movement for the benefit of surprise. Even MORE depth.
It has the same amount of depth as without a radar. You're unseen on a radar in both, and you're quieter in both.
>No.
You're now saying that players make no foot noise in Halo? Are you mad?
>Was talking about grenades, I swear my easy to read arguments have been misunderstood like 30 times in the past two threads. Read what I post.
>The radar system we have now is like the grenades pre Halo 4, they
>LIKE
>THEY
You said they behave the same, but only one actually has audio cues. Either your comparison is shit, or you forgot the radar has no audio cues. Get your rhetoric right instead of realizing you were wrong.

>>163411084
If you get good at the map you'll know where people camp

Never trust your radar as perfect information

>>163411248
It's still asymmetric.
Why should camper get perfect info?
>Never trust your radar as perfect information
It IS perfect info.

>>163411226
>>163410987
>>163411316

>people actually wanting radar to be removed

>from halo

Jesus Christ, this community is more fucking retarded than I thought

Muh ESPORTS ESPORTS WOOOO

>>163411316
You don't know what perfect information is then. Or you are exaggerating.

>>163411354
I'm just arguing devil's advocate, but the one vocal person saying it should stay isn't offering any arguments that don't SUPPORT the other side. There are legitimate reasons to keep it, and I want it to stay and get re-widened after the shrinking it had in 5, but the guy defending it right now is just a moron.

>>163411213
Combat in real Halo IS a sort of chess, that's what makes the series so unique and beautiful.

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>>163411354
>making halo competitive is bad

>>163411478
By that logic, everything is a sort of chess.

>>163411486
Halo is already competative

>>163411478
I really don't see how it's like chess.

>>163411535
>if x than XXXXXXXXX

>>163411420
Oh this will be rich

What are the legitimate arguments for radar?

>>163411589
Optimal play with radar is boring and slow.

>>163411486
Halo has always been a fucking casual game for 90% of it's audience

Why do you think they got so much backlash from the competitive focused arena in 5, so much that they actually made a whole new section for social modes?

>>163411596
Both players are given information about the board (battlefield), but not complete information about the opponents plans, are given time to set up their own strategy and defense, and be prepared to react

Both players make opening moves and because the TTK is so high, we see constant shifts of strategy between both players, utilizing terrain, movement options, spacing, primary and secondary weapons, both players know how much damage needs to be delt because both have the same health (unless one is glowing initially), after the dance, the more skilled player wins in an even match most of the time, any asymmetrical aspects are a result of prior combat engagements won and proper map control.

No, it isn't a 1 to 1 comparison, but Halo Combat is inherently strategic and information based rather than reactionary and luck based.

>>163411596
I think he's making the argument of symmetrical, even number units on a similar map, but that barely applies.
Halo is more like a twisted version of Capsule Monsters.

>>163411674
>What are the legitimate arguments for radar?
I'll take one from an old post I liked. "This is another way of saying that how players use the tools you provide them shouldn't really be up to you, 343, because the liberty at which tools you use at which time in Halo is part of what has made Halo diverse and fun, regardless of skill. Everyone has an equal shot at that, and that's what establishes skill!"
It is not the only decision-making tool you have, so coupled with your COMMON SENSE and KNOWLEDGE OF THE MAP DESIGN, you can use it to make educated guesses. But you're saying to entirely rely upon it. Radar is not an end-all and it's not supposed to be, but it's also never been deep and it's never meant to be. Just because you refuse to learn common map strategies like where people camp isn't a reason to keep radar.

>>163411993
As I suspected, your argument is LITERALLY mine, and the only differences are your lack of reading comprehension.

>>163412113
flanderization

>>163412113
>As I suspected, your argument is LITERALLY mine, and the only differences are your lack of reading comprehension.
Except it's not. There are many key things, such as common sense and map design, that you choose to ignore. You insist it should stay because it's a crutch, but everyone else says it should stay because it's NOT a crutch. If this is even close to what you were arguing, then you need to re-evaluate the english language because this means that like four people have called you out on this shit. Again.

>>163412207
I never once claimed it was a crutch, you did.

>>163412335
>And how would the player know that [without radar]?
I could go over all of your posts and point this shit out, but you've said multiple times that it is absolutely impossible to even consider that someone might be over the next hill without radar and is thus necessary at all times, even though many modes of Halo lack it entirely and people play those just fine.
Radar is your crutch, because you refuse to learn map design, refuse to consider common map strategies and flow, and refuse to use basic common sense.

>>163412481
You misunderstand then, I understand how somebody can be prepared of they are fed information from anywhere ie sounds, visuals, teammates, map experience etc.

But in my example (running for the power weapon) it is literally a guess, a slot machine.

I agree with you, the radar works synergistically with everything else wonderfully. I didn't harp on other stimuli because anytime i brought in another element you or somebody got confused >oh so now the radar has audio?

>>163412789
>I didn't harp on other stimuli because anytime i brought in another element you or somebody got confused >oh so now the radar has audio?
That's an actual argument, though. If you say something is like something else for x reasons, then it lacking x reasons in reality detracts from your argument.
All I can say, after this many people calling you out on it, is that it's a problem on your end. I don't know what else to tell you.
Now I'm going to fuck off to internet videos since we resolved this.

Anyway, the talk was fun, I didn't learn anything new for the video, but I have figured out ways to articulate some points better.

Bottom line, Halo is fucking OFF TRACK and I hope the next game goes back to the masterful simplicity of the originals. Goodnight.

>>163412949
Be defensive if you want man, and appeal to the majority.

Have fun

>>163412965
>I didn't learn anything new for the video
Act Man?

>>163413204
Nope, anon with zero cred.

I've written out this big script talking about design philosophy of the original trilogy vs where they are today and how individual aspects affect the sandbox.

When it's ready, i'll make it, it'll be more theraputic than anything, I don't expect people to listen.

>>163413341
People will read it, point out flaws, and then they'll be accused of flanderizing.

>>163413438
I actually take legitimate critisism very seriously, and the video will be a much better place to share my thoughts than a post.

I think it'll go well.

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>>163413550
>I actually take legitimate critisism very seriously

>>163413645
Here is an excellent example of non legitimate criticism.

>>163413715
You just spent like two hours not accepting criticism.

>>163413760
>>if x than XXXXXXXXXXXXX

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>>163413645
>>163413715

>>163413760
There was few legitimate arguments, almost all of it was misinterpretation, subject changes, flanderization or no u's.

The only thing i've taken from this is I need to articulate so that there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY anyone could misunderstand.

>>163413890
That's not an argument.

>>163413890
Stop pretending to be me, that wasn't flanderization it was just him being wrong.

Fuck I need to sleep, tomorrow i'll reply to whatever dumb shit someone baits me with. Night.

>>163414018
>that wasn't flanderization it was just him being wrong.
So all of the posts of people asking legitimate questions, then getting dodged by you just never happened? Come on, it even ended civilly and you can't admit your own flaws when it's archived on the internet for all to see.

>>163416225
I give it a 6/10.

reach's female models were obviously based on slimthicc redbone women

Why was the PC ports of Halo 1 & 2 so bad? Halo 1 is missing shaders and Halo 2 is missing the lighting system.

>>163417028
Companies that did not make the games made the ports.
Also, I don't know why anybody ever expects anything of Gearbox.

>>163416454
>>163416225
"Too much water."
-IGN

>>163418731
That helmet looks like shit. I still hate 343's art style and most of their armor sets.

>>163407002
>>163410092

>>163421826
Now that is one ugly ass helmet

>>163406025
2 > 3 > 1 > Reach > 5 > 4

kill yourself

Found something interesting on Waypoint.

"The Warden allowed the Chief’s passage to Genesis in order to graft Cortana from the Domain into the physical world"

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/characters/warden-eternal

Like Halo 4 it seems like Chief was tricked into fucking up the galaxy again. How many times is that now, four times? I love you Chief but you have to stop letting yourself be tricked into ruining the galaxy, man.

>>163423550
>Reach above anything
No u

>>163423550
3>2>CE>Reach>4

The first 3 are really in a category all their own though, they're all great in their own way.

Reach is mediocre, 4 is bad.

Placing 5 in here is tough, I don't know whether to rank it in its current form or how it was lacking stuff for a year, or how it's practically always-online with no splitscreen/LAN, or the cancerous req system.

I will say it definitely has the best forge and customs, it's better than 4 at the very least. Maybe i'd put it right beside reach, whereas reach is just mediocre in general, 5 has bad parts that weight down it's really great parts.

>>163424336
but 4 can't be above anything else either so which goes in last place

>>163407692
Stop this.

Too many options. The anniversary options being seperate from the originals also screws it up.

Also
>strawpoll

>>163424336
Yes actually

>arguing opinions on the internet

Am I ever gonna get my haahwaaw /hg/?

>>163425508
NEVER
EVER

>>163425508
It's early access. Stop being so entitled. :^)

>objective rankings coming through!

(opinion) > (opinion) > (opinion) > (opinion) > (opinion) > (opinion)

>>163425840
Looks like the _____fags are up early today

>>163425840
Flanderization.

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>>163425920

>>163427161
Reach was a diddly-dang abortion

>>163428431
Go to bed Ned, you're drunk

>go back to Halo 5 after several months
>maps still worst ever
>warzone still cluttered with Pay2Win shit
>firefight is... what the fuck were they thinking?
Am I alone on this? Someone had told me the game had changed but it just seems like more of the same shit.

>>163429364
Halo is a lot like theSimpsons, a shadow of what it used to be.

>>163430316
>Am I alone on this?
No. Most people have dropped the game entirely and moved on to something else.

>>163430316
I still play it, but only because of my love for the series overall. If it didn't have Halo in the title, I would have sold H5 a long time ago.

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>>163425092
They're different games. Same story, but different experiences in the end.

Can you honestly say that running through the bright, vibrant swamps in CE:A's 343 Guilty Spark is the same experience as going through the thick blue-grey fog of CE's?

Did you feel that Blur's cutscenes for H2:A's brought something *more* to the table? Alternatively, did you believe it didn't bring *enough*? Certainly you couldn't say it was the same.

What about the simple designs of the Covenant in CE vs Reach's Covenant in CE's (entirely new) setting?
If I wanted to make a poll for what story /hg/ liked best, I would have done so.

And I fail to see what's wrong with strawpoll. Users can't vote more than once, so what's the beef? I trust /hg/. They don't have that bad of turbo-autism over minutiae to want to rig a simple poll of little consequence--not so sure that extends so far to you though.

Sorry if some polls gets your knickers in a knot-- you could just not vote, or maybe offer a better polling service?

>>163430316
Most people admit that outside of forge and what it's capable of (a feature that wasn't there at launch btw), the game is an overall disappointment.

I would reccomend checking out SPV3 if you're longing for a more classic halo experience with a twist.

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>>163422093
who made this? Can't be the hayabusa gmod faggot.

>>163430452
>And I fail to see what's wrong with strawpoll. Users can't vote more than once, so what's the beef?
pffffffhehehehe
>I trust /hg/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>163430452
>I trust /hg/
Fucking KEK

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>tfw I need to buy a one again to feel happy and get rid of my shit ps shit, seeing as six will probably put the series down for good if 343i is gonna kill it even more than it is.

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>>163430452
>users can't vote more than once

>>163430623
As someone that shits on Halo 5 constantly, and I mean fucking CONSTANTLY, I'm very optimistic for the next game.

>>163430530
There are much better SFM dudes than that Hayabusa Gmod faggot, such as Beowulf1117 and Soulburnin.

How will we know when/if the Halo cycle is broken?

>>163430765
>How will we know when/if the Halo cycle is broken?
If Halo 6 is liked at launch and Halo 5 failed to improve its reputation.

Who wants to RP with me?

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>>163430692
Sad fact is I know the hayabusa fag, not on a friends level I just know him on steam.
>>163430689
Then, you're more optimistic than I, halo 6 is coming to W10 that's already been confirmed. What, I'm not keen on is when it does "happen", if at all how bad is the armor customization going to be like 5? I know this is pretty fucking petty. But, I honestly liked the old reach unlock style instead of this shitty drop system.

>>163430692

Who made the image specifically?

>>163430846
>Then, you're more optimistic than I, halo 6 is coming to W10 that's already been confirmed.
1. It's Technically not
2. Who cares? More people get to play it then.
>What, I'm not keen on is when it does "happen", if at all how bad is the armor customization going to be like 5? I know this is pretty fucking petty. But, I honestly liked the old reach unlock style instead of this shitty drop system.
Sure, but in the scale of things wrong with Halo right now, the armor is such a non-issue.

>>163430846
>countless problems with 343 Halo
>complains about cosmetics
I'd remove armor customization entirely if it meant we could get a half decent campaign and splitscreen

>>163431016
Splitscreen will probably be exclusive to the Scorpio version of Halo 6.
The 360 version will be gimped down and the Windows version will be the most advanced but will probably only allow one player per device

>>163430939
Reverse image search yields no results, maybe it was an anon, or a crop.

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Reclaimer?

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>tfw I'm gonna try and get soulburnin to make me a custom head model for a spartan for me...Welp. Better, get the cash

>>163431527
Why hasn't anyone given him an afro and made the pic disco themed yet?

>>163430689
Maybe 6 will be the Goldilocks zone between hyper casual 4 and esports shitter 5

>>163431615
I'm hopeful

>>163430554
...... Again, is there a better polling service Mr. Behind 12 Dynamic IPs?

>>163431748
Use waypoint.
Create a topic in the company page.
Everyone gets one vote.

There. That took me all of 10 seconds to think of.

>>163430805
If a game dethrones 2-3

>>163430846
>likes points for armor instead of amazing feats for armor

>>163431687
I don't know if I can be anymore, Halo is my favorite game series and the one I make time for the most, especially in my adult life. Every Halo game since 3 has been like a harsh break-up, my heart has been destroyed too many times to let myself get excited anymore.

but once E3 trailer drops I'll get hyped anyway, I'm a dreamer I can't help it

>>163431856
Points for armor and feats for armor are both fine, but RNG system filled with trash is unforgivable.

>>163432125
Points makes all Armor seem worthless

Sure you spent more time grinding to get that one piece but it has nothing on "here is the very hard thing I did to get this that you haven't done"

Getting an Armore piece should have a story attached to it.

>>163432329
On the other hand, the point of wearing different armor is to make your guy look cool, rather than because it was hard, that's what medals are for.

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/hg/ presents a special live performance of "A Christmas Carol"

>Cast
Scrooge - UnknownKai
Cratchit - Sweaty Towels
Tiny Tim - BuildTheWallNow
Jacob Marley - LoneWhiteRabbit
Ghost of Christmas Past - THE ONE BIG RED
Ghost of Christmas Present - MT DEW VOL7AGE
Ghost of Christmas Future - ChaosDroid2

>>163432551
Nobody admires your medal chest man.

3's system created more friends because you had to ask how he got that piece, and each armor MEANT something beyond "I played for a while"

There should be more pieces than in 3 of various levels of accomplishment, but it should be feat based.

>>163432763
>>163432551
Why can't they have both?

Randomly generated Req armor but also specific armor regulated to feats and achievements.

>>163432959
You... Could... But what would be the point of having grind armor too?

>>163433045
Just as an extra incentive for playing a lot

>>163433247
Have some armor unlock at match # milestones rather than introducing a point system

I WANT TO _____ KELLY!

>>163433325
Be

>>163433325
>tfw she doesn't look nearly as cute as I imagined her

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>tfw I'm hoping soulburnin doesn't cost me an arm and a leg for the sfm oc spartan model, and yes I said OC. Not, gonna go full edge, even though it's possible.

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>>163431853
Not a bad idea. Thanks, anon-kun.

I'll do tomorrow, it's bedtime in my timezone.

>>163433740
You're welcome friend

>>163433740
Might I suggest only doing one poll at a time?

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>>163434268
>>163434038
Waypoint only allows a single poll per topic/thread.

SOMEBODY

>>163434457
Tried posting a poll, wouldn't go through. I'll give it a go tomorrow.

>>163433710
>not going full edge

>>163436457
Full edge would be sharper than a d100

Going to cheesecake Factory tonight.
What should I get?

>>163436826
Herb Crusted Filet of Salmon

>>163436826
Chicken Sliders.
It's on the appetizer menu, but it's more than enough for a solo course

>>163436826
A cheesecake.

>>163432701
Scrooge should be Vol7age

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>>163437943
I'm trying to lose weight.

>>163438001
Then just get a chicken ceaser salad

Anyone else kind of disappointed with Warzone Firefight? The only real chance you have at failing is due to the timer and one enemy halfway across the map. Even on Legendary it's easy as fuck. ODST had it perfect and so did Reach.

>>163438803
>Anyone else kind of disappointed with Warzone Firefight?
KIND OF???
How new are you?

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>>163438803
Is this a joke post?
Everyone hates WZFF.
It's a terribly implemented game mode that feels nothing like firefight and is filled with bugs and glitches

>>163438803
Warzone Firefight is one of the most insultingly poorly designed game modes I've ever experienced, and I've played Lord of the Rings Conquest

>>163438937
I love how 343 didn't even take the time to have the Phantoms properly fly out of the map, they literally just minimize out of existance instead.

>>163438803
It's bad, but so is everything.
I'd take a million shitty gametypes if slayer was done right

>>163439259
Slayer is done right in custom games

>>163439323
Slayer is done right in general, since it's just fucking slayer.
Hell, we even have real matchmaking now.

>>163439451
>Slayer is done right in general
Not in Halo 5

>>163439451
>Slayer is done right in general, since it's just fucking slayer.
This isn't Slayer, it's a strange stillborn cross between COD death match and a game that really wants to be Halo.
>Hell, we even have real matchmaking now.
Scrub detected.

>>163439451
Halo 5's arena is terrible and there's a reason half the playlists take several minutes to get in a match, because most people feel that way.

The cust ok ms community has provided us with a much better game.

>>163438803
ODST > Reach > 5
In terms of firefight.

>>163439636
Yup.

>>163438937
>Everyone hates WZFF.
That's a bit of a stretch, i think it's just that everyone prefers the feel of the classic Firefight experience, but that doesn't mean WFF is a bad mode on it's own.

>>163439753
I'll concede that I don't think the classic firefight experience is the only way it can be done successfully.
I believe the version 343 has in 5 COULD work, but needs much more Polish and attention next time around.

>>163423550
r u me

>>163439886
yes

>>163439830
They also need to let us do firefight/warzone outside of matchmaking

>>163439753
Yeah, I want classic Firefight back.
ODST firefight.
Not this fucking arcade shit from Reach onwards.

>>163440012
>They also need to let us do firefight/warzone outside of matchmaking
But anon, those modes are so incredibly complicated that only THE POWER OF THE CLOUD can run them

>>163440012
>>163440050
More along the lines of the fact that it would run contrary to Microsoft's desire to make more money

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>can we get a Halo version of this scene in the next game with Kelly?

>>163440320
HNNNNGH

>>163440320
The single most overrated video game of all time

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>these Wraiths come up to you and smack your firebase's ass
Wat do?

>>163440320
Rikku is my waifu

>>163440774
No matter how many times I see this video, I'm always slightly hypnotized by it.
The way the breast slowly pools up with blood after being cut makes me feel wierd

>>163440521
I summon ODODODODODODODODODODODST

>>163440320
>Kelly
>not Sarah Palmer

the only thing they could do to save her character is by making her a sex icon.

>find some guy forging in the customs game browser who didnt set his shit to private
>join stealthily
>build a floating platform off in the distance
>load it with sniper rifles
>have fun

Love this shit

>>163441346
Most fun I've ever had in the game by far.
Glad we have this browser

>>163441095
It's too late.
It's like Kate McKinnon.
I can't fap to her anymore after she spent so much time player Killery

>>163441458
>tfw all my friends want to go see Office Christmas Party
>refuse because of SNL

HRRRRRRRR

>>163406134
In theory, the removal of health packs lets players be more aggressive. Without health damage, you risk no permanent consequences and are free to try different things rather than playing more conservatively. In practice, it opens the door to artificial difficulty; why bother with an appropriate level of challenge when there's no permanent consequences? Just have players hide behind rocks, pop off a plasma pistol overcharge, finish with a headshot, and then crouch back down unless that 0.3 seconds of exposure was enough to kill you (and frequently in Halo 2 it is).

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>>163441782
Health Packs I can deal with not having in multiplayer, though I've always personally preferred them.

One thing I will give Halo 5 props for is their meeting in the middle and offering a health "bar". It's better than nothing.

That all being said, I believe health absolutely should be in campaign.

>>163441939
>I believe health absolutely should be in campaign
I agree, also in co-op modes like Firefight.

>>163441782
It removes incentive for fair fights. The only time it's worth it for the player who notices the other player first to attack directly, is if they Believe they are going to dominate the other player so badly that they won't be able to get rid of their shield.

variable health and health packs alleviate too much pressure off of a team trying to regain a power position, keep throwing bodies at The better player and eventually he'll be so easy to kill someone will do it.

>>163441939
Compromise is not always a good thing.

Campaign is a completely different story, when you only have to make one player feel powerful and fairly treated, gameplay can be a lot different

>>163443513
Health Packs work much better than shielding in FPS campaigns.
If you're going to have shielding, at least have health as a secondary thing

>>163443940
I agree with you it's a great tension builder, end it incentivizes exploration for first-time players

Imagine playing Doom with a regenerating shield and no health packs

>>163444690
Should Halo seek to be a Doom -like?
Does Doom work well with thumbsticks on a console?

>>163445089
It works well enough.
If I could do anything for campaign health systems in Halo I'd decrease shield recharge rate and increase amount of health

>>163439058
They do that in Reach

>>163446458
Just checked to confirm.
Yes, they do eventually minimize after going a fair distance. In 5 it's just embarrassing though.

To that anon that was making a Jedi temple map in forge a couple of threads ago, i'm sorry but someone beat you to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIXnEYAB_Ys

>>163447684
I'm looking myself right now and I don't see the minimizing.
I've played on the sword base map and now on Corvette and the Dropshot always go out of view behind the walls after dropping troops off. So maybe they do minimize, but it's at least cleverly hidden

>>163447841
This doesn't look as impressive as our anon's job. He should keep going.

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>Warden is killed
>death animation doesn't finish in time
>"DEFEAT"

>>163447841
How did he make those buildings in the background?

>>163448149
He cheated

>>163448173
Wait i just realized he used Eden as canvas. Pretty damn smart actually.

>>163448052
Maybe you needed to be faster

>>163448291
Empire is used as a canvas for the "Highrise" breakout map

>>163448291
Surprised he had enough budget.

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>>163449739
GRD helmet NEVER

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>>163449739
Woah, Planet Reach, you don't look so good

>>163449808
Holy sheeeeet what is that?!?!?!

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>>163449739
>>163449879
Condemned might honestly have the best sky box of any multiplayer map.
It's at least top 5.

>>163449808
WANT!

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>>163450056
>Condemned might honestly have the best sky box of any multiplayer map.
Well that's ironic, considering the inside of the map might be one of the most boring ever

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>>163449739
>that achievement that is exclusive to Condemned that requires you to ASSASSINATE an infected in matchmaking
Why would they do this?

>>163450382
I thought it could be on any defiant map?

>>163449808
Maybe in Halo 6

>>163450489
>I thought it could be on any defiant map?
Highlands is too big to ever get infection on and Unearthed is a firefight map.
That leaves only Condemned, and I don't even t hinkle you can get Zombies on Condemned. It has to be the varient called "Uplink" (I have no idea what's different about it)

>>163451763
It'll just be a prop again

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