/dsg/ - Demons/Dark Souls General

>>163374748
DLC 2 W H E N

>>163374748
S L U T

>>163374847
Whenever it's ready you cunt

Topic from old thread:

>>163373253
Because while they balance for PvE, they also want to sell games without causing problems/uproar/completely broken PvP.

It goes like this:

They create "choose your own difficulty" by putting powerful weapons in certain places in the game, and then rewarding players for using those weapons in certain areas of the game, and then make dropped weapons rare 'rewards' to your gameplay to balance out someone who is having trouble and has to fight enemies multiple times. They don't expect you to farm or collect until end game.

Then, bandai releases the game and prowls social media for complains about the PvP while From playtests AFTER release. If people are complaining about something a lot, they tell From to 'fix' it, a la poise in DS2 and DS3. If Bandai didn't care about social media so much, they wouldn't release patches at all except for bugs or glitches. You'll notice those are the patches that get released within days instead of months. Things like power creep from the DLC are deliberate, since those areas are harder/later/cost money to reach, so they reward the single player effort.

This is how you end up with so many weapons that trivialize other weapons in their class.

This is how they've done things for ages, all the way back to the Armored Core days (especially starting with Armored Core 4, which had 4-5 weapons that made the entire game a cakewalk, and TWO HUNDRED weapons that were objectively worse than them. But you would get the 'easy' weapons quickly if you picked the 'easy' starting equipment. Otherwise you had to wait until later in the game.

>>163374886
But i'm ready for it NOWWW

>>163374914

This is the type of stuff that keeps them calling their games "role playing games" even though they're closer to customizable platform/fighters. The DS2 team at least understood this a bit better, since they were the only ones who have ever made a decently balanced multiplayer game at that company (Armored Core Verdict Day) where they made 30% of the weapons extremely well balanced for PvP (all unlocked near end game), and the other 70% extremely well balanced for PvE (unlocked across the game) with at least a few PvP viable weapons in every class or playstyle. Dark Souls likes to keep the two mixed though, so there's no weapons that are obviously intended for PvP and work better for that than PvE.

Armored Core was better for this because it didn't have random drops and >90% of the equipment could be bought at a shop. It was much more tuning-heavy. In Dark Souls, swapping a single weapon completely changes your gameplay, but in AC it's a continuum and all changes you make to your character are shit unless you optimize everything else with each change. Dark Souls doesn't have that, some weapons are just shit and they don't become good because you modified your stats around them.

>>163374914
Pretty relevant to what you posted:
>>163374846

>>163374847
March.

>>163371026
But if the power of your soul can create new materials then why the fuck can't they teleport things? It's not like teleportation doesn't exist in Dark Souls: the player character and bosses teleport themselves all the time. It's not a huge leap to assume other things could be teleported too.

If the clerics are the origin of the spreading darkness then how the fuck would the cover help? The cover could keep the Darkness in once infected by stopping the Pus of Man from popping out, but that wouldn't prevent the cleric from *becoming* a seedbed.

The Abyss Watcher items does not say that the Abyss occurs randomly. It says they will raise a kingdom at a sign of infection. It says nothing about the origin of that infection.

>the Abyss can originate from humans who experiment on themselves without any "external" provocation.
The external provocation would be the experimentation. If I chop off my hand, I will not "randomly" be down one hand. I will be down one hand because I fucking chopped it off.

I never said Manus was fucked with the Abyss from the beginning. I said that, if he is the Furtive Pygmy, then it's no wonder that fucking with him caused the Abyss, because his soul was the embodiment of Dark. And I believe that Manus *is* the Furtive Pygmy, because he's the only member of the four original Lords who doesn't appear in the base game, and as the Furtive Pygmy is the ancestor mankind then describing Manus as 'primordial man' brings him to mind. Why bother having it be 'Primordial Man' if it was just a completely regular human? They could have grabbed some random dumb ass and experimented on him instead of digging up a thousand year old grave.

>>163371347
>The Cathedral was ALWAYS founded to worship the Deep
where is the evidence
I was actually wrong about them coming to worship the Deep. Nothing in the game says they worship the Deep, but rather that they were meant to seal away the monsters in the Deep but came to use their power.

(cont)

>>163375172
>>163371347
Deacon and Cathedral Knight set confirm that this was their original purpose, Deacon set confirms they succumbed to their power. And given that
>The Cathedral of the Deep was founded to stop monsters from getting out
>Cathedral is a physical location
>Deep is more consistently refered to as a physical location than something within humans
Then it implies that the Cathedral was set up, next to the Deep, to keep that shit in check. Why would they bother setting up a giant Cathedral with an order of knights trained to kill giant monsters and a miracle intended to protect clerics working in those conditions if 'the deep is just metaphorical my dude it was inside you all along'
There is NOTHING that says they have assembled a huge pool of human dregs. There is only stuff saying the Deep is a place, it's dark, it's watery, the Cathedral oversees it, and oh fuck, guess what, there's a dark watery pit next to the Cathedral of the Deep.

Deep gem is my fuck up, I thought the description said kin, not ken.

>"Dark," used as a title, means SPECIFICALLY "the Abyss,"
Or, fuck, get this revolutionary idea:
>Dark means Dark
>Abyss means Abyss
>Deep means Deep

If the Deep is regular Dark, why is shit like the insects refered to as being 'from the Deep?' Because according to you, they're the nasty Abyss shit, so why not 'from the Abyss' or, according to your theory about naming, 'from the Dark?'

Is PvP still alive in DaS1?

>>163375303
yes but you'll need Wulf's program to connect to people

>>163375525
>Wulf's program
So PC is only active and console is dead af

>>163375065
They keep CALLING them RPGs though. From Software considers Souls to be third-person adventure RPGs, like Final Fantasy.

>>163375289
The cathedral wasn't set up "next to" the Deep.

It's like saying "I built a church next to hell".

The Deep is a state of being/an elemental energy form/a consciousness/any or all of the above, and historically has fucked most everything over whenever it starts appearing in the world. The Cathedral was established to protect the world from these strange afflictions wherever they may have appeared.

I think the fact that the cathedral was placed ontop a steaming pile of dark/deep/abyss was coincidental, or the abyss actually came there as a result of the Deacons' dark fuckery once they became corrupted.

has anyone else experienced unexplainable screen tearing in Dark Souls?
I have v-sync on in literally every place it can be on (gpu settings, dsfix), and yet it's still happening
This used to not be a problem, but now it is, out of the blue for no apparent reason at all
god damn I hate computers some times

>>163375289
>guess what, there's a dark watery pit next to the Cathedral of the Deep.
There is? Where?

You mean the sludge where the giants rest?

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>>163375930
I restarted my computer and it's gone haha
have a nice day everybody

>someone advertises pigguman's bb stream
>get in
>he says he's not gonna stream Bloodborne anymore
>cucked out of a proper Old Hunters playthrough again

I swear you do this on purpose just to make me angry.

>>163375940
There's 2-3 maggot beasts crawling around in i t

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who bully here?

>>163375940
He's probably talking about the big pit of water where the Evangelist guarding the Deep Gem is looking at it from a balcony.

>>163375693
>It's like saying "I built a church next to hell".
Except it's not because this is a fantasy world where dark, malevolent forces actually exist and can manifest as giant fuck off zones as evil? What's next, you're going to tell me Eleum Loyce wasn't actually built above the Old Chaos, it's just metaphorical?

>The Deep is a state of being/an elemental energy form/a consciousness/any or all of the above
It is a type of Dark/an element, yes, but it is also a p l a c e
It is explicitly said to be a place

>and historically has fucked most everything over whenever it starts appearing in the world
But, assuming you're the guy I've been arguing with, you've been saying that the Deep is completely ordinary, calm, unproblematic Dark, and therefore not a cause a problems. Plus, there is nothing in the lore that ever talks about an 'outbreak of Deep' or somthing, so how the fuck can you say it's always caused problems when and where it appears?

>The Cathedral was established to protect the world from these strange afflictions wherever they may have appeared.
No, it was established to stop nasty monsters from crawling out of the Deep. The only times its agents have gone elsewhere is the presence of evangelists in the Undead Settlement, and they're just fucking with the locals, and when a bunch of the clergy followed Aldrich to Irithyll. There's Cathedral Knights in the Consumed King's Garden but they might be native, because Cathedral Knights are presumably trained in (or their order was founded in) Lothric, seeing as they bear an old Lothric emblem.

>the cathedral was placed ontop a steaming pile of dark/deep/abyss was coincidental
Oh, you're not gong to tell me Eleum Loyce/Old Chaos was metaphorical, you're going to tell me it was coincidental. Right.

>>163375940
Not the giant shit. Go to the balcony where you find an Evangelist with a Deep Gem, or the shortcut between the Cleansing Chapel and where you first enter the Cathedral. There's a huge black pool.

>>163375673
That's basically because the audience has come to expect that term. It's an extra feature to put on the box.

Souls is imo a character progression game like M&B or MGS5 rather than a fully fledged RPG. You develop you character and gear, but the actual 'role-playing' is paper thin.

>>163376890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO4J5BlwJ58

>tfw farming POCKs and you get one

>>163376792
>It is a type of Dark/an element, yes, but it is also a p l a c e

I'm curious. Is it an alternate dark dimension/plane, like Negative Energy Plane in DnD? Or is it an actual real world place that has been so corrupted by darkness that the properties of that physical location has become all deep-like?

>>163376890
I agree. Souls progression is the same Armored Core formula that was innovative back in 1997. Most open world games (notably Bethesda and the like) have now made that style of progression very standard. MGS5 feels similar because it's taking those mechanics third-hand.

Sort of like how most hack and slash games are inspired from Devil May Cry in one way or another, or most horror games take from Silent Hill.

Armored core occupied this niche 'insane customization' play progression that, while it's not its own genre, has sort of permeated a lot of non-RPG games, but Miyazaki still wants to make RPGs like Legend of Zelda.

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>>163377376
The last video game that was truly an RPG was Fallout 2.

Am I wrong?

>>163377304
It's an actual physical place in the world. According to Deep Protection, it was once a peaceful place but all sorts of nasty shit like insects and those giant spiders started living there.

The only alternate dimensions we know about in the Dark Souls world are the Painted World and *maybe* the Kin of the First Flame. The multiplayer aspect talks about going to other worlds but that's never had any impact on the story or lore and is really just a way of justifying multiplayer.

>>163377556
Yes, very. There's plenty of CRPGs around. Divinity OS 2 is just around the corner.

How is throwing lightning in 3? I'm wary of it after what they did to it in 2.

>>163377912
lol

>>163375289
other anon here. those "insects" were referenced in ds1 as well but i don't think they are insects at all. it is known that the dark has corrosive properties and similarly to how you'd feel tingling and biting if you dipped your hand in acid, it seems to be insects burrowing under the skin. i see dark as something of a neutralizer. you could even say then that the deep is the reactor and abyss is the residue

>>163377556
There are many actual RPGs out even now, but personally what I consider a mark of a 'true' RPG aside from the pure game mechanics is having meaningful choices in character interaction or in the story for your character.

>>163377912
I think you mean how it looks, in which case it looks alright.

The damage is negligible unless you pretty much make a glass cannon Faith wizard tho.

>>163377965
While the gnawing properties of Dark are refered to back in Dark Souls 1 (and I believe that's what Irina is suffering from), I think the insects from Gnaw and Dorhys' Gnawing are actual, literal insects (even if they're made of compressed Dark or some balls), because the game is pretty explicit about them having little jaws and actually digging their way into flesh.

>>163378036
Damn lightning's still shit?

>>163377624
What if the Deep is the source of the rot that's affecting the Painted World too?

>get summoned to a world as a blue
>host makes me duel the invader like a fucking faggot
>hit invader with 2 quakestone hammer hits
>380 damage
>invader has around 1700 HP judging by the damage it did

>black crystal out

you may fight hackers alone my friend

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>>163378121
In 3 It's worse than its ever been. Faith is a fucking mess of a stat now. You'll have handicaps no matter HOW you try to build it.

As a paladin, I contemplated suicide.

>>163378135
There's really not much linking the two, beyond Gael's presence in the Cathedral of the Deep, but I think he's just there to pray to Rosaria for help. The rot affecting the Painting World is literally the painting itself rotting away, I think, which has an adverse affect on the world inside it.

>>163378121

You had your fun in DaS 2.

It's over now.

>>163378121
It's significantly worse than shit, anon. They drove every flavor of faith in to the ground. Don't even try to make it work because it absolutely is not viable in any way, shape, or form.

>>163378261
>fun
>DaS 2
pick one

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>>163378327
NO
WAIT
HOLD
THE
FUCKING
HORSES

Heal is pretty useful in the first hour.

>>163378472
Heal is pretty useful in arena

>>163376442
Just go watch a different e-celeb play it, they're all equally shit.

>>163378429
It was if you are a magicfag.

>>163378429
>pick one

*pick both

>>163376890
i roleplay as a blueberry that hunts down sinners to atone for my own. i think the RPG element is really up to the player

>>163376442
I like Scribe's playthroughs of the Souls games and Bloodborne. He seems upbeat, not too obnoxious and he gives you neat little tidbits of info.

>>163378512
>>163378472
>>163378327

Support miracles and heals are fine, it's just offensive miracles that are trash. Only poised-up Lightning Stake/Storm is okay.

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So I'm testing out parry shields for the first time instead of a caestus, and... is this the fabled "setup parry" I've heard so much about? I could never get this sorta thing to work with medium or small shields, but it actually seems like you can reasonably block 1 heavy weapon attack or 2 medium weapon attacks and then parry then 2nd or 3rd attack after the block if they're spamming on you. Target shield still has pretty reasonable stats for blocking, and gets the parry shield animation.

Still needs more testing but iirc hammers do extra stamina damage to do shields right? With strike damage? I figure if I can tank a 2H'd mace for only half my stamina, it should be pretty reasonable to setup parry with a target shield.

So why don't we have divine aux? what's the fucking point of blessed aside from the near useles regen?

>>163378713
Blessed and Lightning weapons are both also trash, anon, and most of the things that did kind of work were nullified by the Simple infusion nerf.

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>>163378713
>be a support/heal miracle guy
>often play coop
>my miracles makes even the shittiest of scrubs defeat their invaders/bosses because of my incessant healing/buffing

This is the perfect way to play a FTH character.
feelsgoodman.jpg

My steam updated Dark souls prepare to die but didnt download anything.

Anyone know why?

>>163378893
Blessed weapons stop skeletons from regenerating.

>>163378974
Possibly some anti-cheat, but nobody really knows.

>>163379065

Yeah and that's all, and they just regenerate one time anyway

>>163378713
Sunlight spear seems pretty good but I imagine that's with heavy stat investment and rings, and most of my characters wear metal armour so I imagine my lightning defence is pretty shitty.

I use Dorhys' Gnawing as my main ranged offence on one character. The raw damage it inflicts is pretty shit (nearly 100 when I was wearing ring of the sun's firstborn, but now that I've dropped that and a point of faith it does way less), but it does a fixed amount of bleed build up so if you hit someone with it enough times it'll do a tidy ~300 damage, and it's great for tagging people who think they can keep a distance from me forever.

>>163378948
Fuck, I've been meaning to make a low level healslut (male) for ages. I really need to get around to it before 3's online dies.

Kind of painful that I've got 2 more faith builds I want to make in addition to my current one when faith isn't great, and that's on top of a bunch of other character ideas and I've only got like 3 character slots left.

>>163379218
Hey man, at least it's something. IIRC that's about all that holy weapons did in DS1. However, blessed weapons in DS3 are indeed a pale comparison to what they were in DeS, although at least they now do physical damage instead of magic.

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>>163379250
I feel you man, paladinbro here.

I found switching out miracles for pyromancies on my faith/melee hybrid build worked wonders though.

The only thing I've really gotten working with FTH is that healslut character I talked about. Every single time I've tried making a FTH build based on damage output, I always feel like a VASTLY underleveled sorcerer.

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>>163376610
undisputed bullying king of The Depths

>>163378429
good one dasturd

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>>163378240
>they didn't even give us paladin armor of any squid helmets despite all the throwbacks
What did you expect anon

>>163380030
Or any*

>>163380030

>No Paladin set
>No Grant
>No Velstadt set
>No Sacred Chime Hammer
>No fun for paladins in any way

>>163380241
>dmb+3 buff on the Grant
>1300AR
>one shot Gwyn

>>163379575
>FTH build based on damage output

If you want that then you need to use a talisman and trade, for some dumbass reason miracles are proximity based and you get the most damage when you actually touch people with the catalyst. Also try using a morning star, even if you don't PROC bleed the bar on people's screens tends to make them panic roll and hammers are perfect for punishing that.

Faith would be way better if you could buff blessed weapons but I guess that From decided that only physical infusions should be worth a damn. I mean FFS, if hollowfags can throw rouge on Anri's SS or a hollow CCS I don't see why I shouldn't be able to throw blessed weapon on a blessed mace.

>>163378869

a-anyone...?

p-plz respond!

>>163380241
>still no bramd/dark silver throwback

I'm still mad. It's such a shame they can't do anything with the Demon's Souls IP.

>>163380030
Cathedral helmet made me excited, because i fucking love a bucket helmed paladin.

It was all terrible though. I was so wrong.

>>163374748
Does she even have a vagina? Like, how would you have sex with her, it, whatever.

>>163380481
no one gives a fuck about you, twinking faggot

>>163380793
She has a regular body, you just can't see it because of the grub on her lap.

>>163380793
By sitting on her lap and sucking her booby

>>163380796
Please don't respond to him, you need to starve him out of (you)s. That's what we're all doing

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>>163380986
>sucking on those crusty old skin-pancakes

Absolutely haram.

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>>163381064
revealing the master plan so casually

>>163374748

Is the Thrall axe or basic dagger usable infused (as in, could be used through the whole game)? Considering a Str/Int or Dex/int build.

>>163381668
Yes, thrall axe is better but dagger is usable.
You should physical infuse the axe then buff with your best int buff.
Later on if you want to respec, you can crystal infuse it, but that's not a good plan early game

>>163380796
>>163381064

I asked a legitimate question and you guys are this triggered? Do webms bother you that much? Because you wouldn't be able to know shit if I literally just posted the same thing with no webm like any other anon. Your problem is literally "oh fuck there's a WEBM WITH THIS POST FUCK THIS GUY", so I guess webms aren't allowed here anymore?

Wow. No wonder why this thread is dead.

>>163381668
The thrall axe is extremely good, especially for a dex/bleed build, and its pretty good all round as a light, dodge WA weapon too

>>163381668
Thrall Axe is kind of a sleeper weapon. Nobody expects to see it but it's pretty damn good.

>>163377556
I very much agree. Fallout 2, maybe Myst/Riven, were the first real games that focused on role-playing immersion where your choices really made impacts on events.

>>163381668
By the way, if you do plan on using th axe, go sharp with base stats, it gets around the same damage for slightly less investment on most classes and even heavy you get 15 more AR.
Since you'll go int, you can get the dex for faster casting as well

>>163378713
>>163378240
I wonder how much of that was wanting to make Faith a primarily co-op /support only play style.

>>163381870
no one gives a shit stop posting anytime

>>163378948
>>163379250

This. Faith in DS3 is supposed to be a defense-only playstyle, and only the HUGE investments in the stat yield actual faith-specific offense. You're not allowed to do both.

>>163378713
Lightning storm is shit. The moment you start the animation, someone can actally hit a CSS/CBV before you complete it. And if they are melee, they have time to unzip a crossbow.

I think even another fthfag would have time to hit a sunlight spear

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>name your character Lancer
>use a sword
this triggers my autism too much

>>163378948
post build from mugen

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kek

>>163383664
If its early on their build, i understand, but arena fucks have no excuse.

I miss by pcfcbfs.

>>163383664
>Metas, the knight of the lance
>uses a sword

>Alfred, knight of the tower
>isn't actually a tower

>>163383975
Been through worse. I actually think we could try something on DaS and DaS 2 one of these days just to see how it goes, could be fun.

>>163378948
>my miracles makes even the shittiest of scrubs defeat their invaders/bosses because of my incessant healing/buffing

So you say. But can you help me beat twin princes on ng max?

>>163384129
as much as I love DAS2 the amount of butthurt one event will cause because of all the different versions and systems is not worth it. Just do DAS.

>>163384019
I miss a few FC which were fun, instead of "WAAAAAAH YOU'RE USING THAT THING I DON'T LIKE WAAAAAAAAHHH"

>>163384234

Do you know who he is? I don't think he has made it past Pontiff.

>>163384320

Literally worthless

>>163384320
Is he the guy who said he has more than 200 hours on the game but never finished it ?

>>163384234
not him, but I could try

>>163384309

You mean the first month before everyone started complaining about the meta

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What makes a level or an area "Atmospheric" for you?
And what do you consider the most atmospheric areas?

>guy named deus vult in crusader cosplay
>fight him
>he chugs
>he chugs
>he chugs
>he chugs
>eventually I have to chug because he's just straight sword trading and chugging essentially
>he starts summoning phantoms and running away

maybe these people should rename their characters

>>163384610

What else do you expect from trump supporters

>>163384253
I don't mean en event, maybe just FCs or something. I remember some time ago a guy tried to host a DeS one but I didn't catch on for obvious reasons I'm not even sure if he actually did since everyone just shitposted random complaints

>>163383975

shitposters shitposting shitposters shitposting shitposters. just 28 guys shitposting and responding to shitposts, this is /dsg/. the low numbers probably reflect most people getting fed up with it and leaving for good, just leaving behind the shitposters to fuck with each other now because they have no one else to shitpost. sad, really.

>>163384667
#feelthebern

>>163384528
the ability to instill a specific feeling or aura to an area is atmosphere
like ash like or any of the hub areas

>>163383008
>>163383283
>>163383664
>anyone ever using something censored in their multiplayer name
>even when its something commonly known censored as "knight"

Do people WANT their names to look like they were written by 13 years olds?

>THIRD WORLDERS WITH 300 PIING WHO USE BLEED COMBOS

FUCK OFFFFFFFFF

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>>163384667
The fuck that has to do with supporting trump? Are you another mad libtard that wandered out of the cuckshed before going back to fellating ahmed?

>>163384610
>watching an invasion stream
>invades a guy named "Bloodshade <insert some faggy name here idk>"
>turns out he just parry spams with a caestus and straight sword all day while being a summoner class host

where did it all go wrong?

>>163384528
3-1 Latria really makes you feel like you're in some fucked up prison. Everything fits together perfectly, ambient sounds, graphics, layout of the place.

>>163383983
>early on their build
>Faraam armor

>>163384707
Even in the height of Das2 and sotfs it was really hard to get fight clubs up. All I could see was comments like "why no fc on my system" or "why no not-sotfs fc". Once you got it on the system you wanted, you still have to worry about Soul memory which nobody was lined up ever so 2 people show up. Granted, I work 2nd shift so my timing might have been the problem.

>>163385025
Clearly he wasn't early.

Also, what part of Arenafags have no excuse was not clear?

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>>163385010
PLEASE
HELP ME


HAARRHHHHHHRHRHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNGGGGHHRRHH!!

>>163384728
yeah DS3 is shit and the pvp is shit so anyone with taste (ie people who only really invested time into DeS, DaS and BB) left
The only people left are those dumb enough to care about this game still and old vets who stop by to poke an old corpse with a stick to see how much its rotted

>>163384929
Bloodshades had no real organization to them and after having to witness embarrassing shit by the bloodshades like furry erp in their discord, peeve's next invasion idea had to do with just lul invading around scattered areas without any name attached to it.

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>>163384890

it's /dsg/, what else did you expect?

>>163381668

Thanks for the feedback gents, Thrall axe seems like a very good choice. I have a feeling it's going to take a while to farm.

Would anyone be willing to donate one? I'm on PC.

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I FINALLY KILLED THE FIRST BOSS IN THE FIRST GAME AND NOW THESE SKELETON FUCKERS ARE AFTER ME AND I CAN'T KILL THEM BECAUSE THEY KEEP RESPAWNING AND THEY RUN FASTER THAN ME SO I CAN'T EVEN RUN AWAY FROM THEM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHAT DO I DO?

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>>163385067
There have always been at least 5 players in the dsg Scholar FCs.

>>163385350
Go somewhere else

>>163385376
Maybe people didnt like me as a host then.

That guy's Mastodon sword hit like a truck though

>>163385264

but these aren't invasions the guy was literally pro ganking, like a crusader almost (except even that didn't work since his friends weren't all bloodshades too).

it feels weird to be an invader with how disorganized and uncared for the game has become, the company who made it doesn't give a fuck about it anymore because they made their money and the community is a mess with no real direction or sense of purpose. it's like it went from being potentially this great competitive skillful fighting experience to basically a griefing simulator (on both sides of the invasion equation). my goal as an invader has pretty much boiled down to making the host have as bad of a time as I can, whether I actually kill him or not is secondary.

>>163384890
>the bait has been taken

>>163385518
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY. I GO OUT THROUGH THE DOOR AND DIE

>>163384830
Most people are completely unaware of the censors until they have really started playing PvP, because the game doesn't show your own name as censored.

>>163385251

no, see, that's where your wrong. DaS3 is great, /dsg/ is shit. it's basically a dark souls No Exit at this point.

>>163385694
you're retarded and I suggest you stop playing video games for an easier hobby
like hitting rocks with other rocks
at least you can't fail at that, preserving your fragile self image

>>163385861
JUST TELL ME WHERE TO GO

>>163385907
The other way?

>>163385907
to the hardware store
they sell nice, quality lengths of rope there
I'm sure you can figure out what to do after that

>>163385694
Where are you?

You shouldn't be encountering skeleton fuckers until you're mid-late game. The skeletons by Firelink are there to stop you from going to a harder area (if you're able to run past them, there are some good items though, just don't expect to go through).

Try exploring around firelink. There's a few other places you could go, but listen to the crestfallen warrior: you want to keep going UP and look for a bell to ring.

>>163386018
Thank you

>>163385787
>>163385251

DS3 is good. It's a solid game, but it does disappoint in many ways compared to DS1 and DS2. It's newer though, with higher production quality, so it's tough to really compare it on equal terms.

/dsg/ is and has always been shit, though.

>>163385350

>first game

>>163386292

My experience has been that the weapon balance is quite poor in DS3 compared to one and two. WAs are only good on really select weapons. From's boner for greatswords is out of control.

>>163386195
To be honest, you HAVE to do things for yourself in this game. Read stat sheets, talk to NPCs, explore a lot. Nothing is explained and that's the point.

The only reason I responded is because this seems like an egregious case of "I have no idea how to play this game" and you should get a wake up call to realize that you have to actually explore around.

Treat it as semi-open world. About half of the bosses can be skipped with shortcuts or secrets but there's a clear linear path that you have to discover, deviating from it to try new things.

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>>163385010
I think the following elements are found in the areas I find atmospheric:
1. The scene is set up in a way that it feels logical and authentic within the context but without hurting the gameplay value.

2. The level design emphasizes a certain factor or combination of factors (darkness, vertigo, closed spaces,maze, open spaces,level hazards,reduced visibilith) in a way that gives the level character and separates it from other ones.

3. The sound design supports the visual design and features ambient sound appropriate for the area. Like in Shrine of Storms you can both see the torn flags and banners flapping in the breeze, and hear the sounds of the ocean in the background.

>arrive at firelink
>you see a guy and talk option when near him
>he tells you to ring two bells and says you should go through waterway that's like 5 steps away
>people go the exact opposite and fight skeletons
reee where's my minimap and a objective reee these games have no story reeee

>>163385284
Can you wait some time? I'm going to cook dinner but when I'm done I'll give you another (you) if other anon hasn't

>>163386447
It seems like DS3 is very heavily focused on single player and the weapons are designed to reflect that, with basically most of them being fun gimmicks to discover instead of a well-defined multiplayer, and with most of the DLC and late game weapons trivializing most of the early game weapons.

DS2 was designed so that you would have to use only a few weapons early on and penalized you for changing things up until later, so most of the best weapons in the game were the vast array of basic equipment, later ones being only good for specialized builds. This is a much more balanced (but less 'exciting') approach and it's obvious that it was designed by the Armored Core team because of it.

>>163386530

Yea but not guiding players along at the beginning is a massive flaw

It's why I never finished dark souls past firelink

Now dark souls 2 was better in that aspect which I spent countless hours on

>>163386640
if you need to be guided at all it's because you're dumb enough that you can't figure it out on your own

>>163386640
You dumb nigger, the game literally guides you with the NPC.
There's even a guy who tells you how to defeat the skeletons.

>>163386640
DaS2 guides you even less, you reach majula and have like 3 paths to take and no npc is pointing you anywhere.

>>163386292
DaS3 PvP sucks bevause rolls.
Remember that one webm of a host cornered by three invaders and he survives for some good 10-20 seconds in a corner by just rollspamming?
It ceases being fun the moment you find good players, but bad players make you feel boredom

>>163386601

Yeah I'll likely be around. I'll check back in around 45 to an hour or so.

>>163386761

Just at the start to get with the flow you fucking moron

I'm not asking for giant indicator. Just a simple path that shows players where to go. Then later on they get used to it you complicate things.

Now hurr durr the right path is in an obscure location when the wrong path is in plain sight but leads nowhere after getting raped by a giant skeleton

Don't forget actually attempting to go down and getting hit by that invincible shit

Not a good way to start a game and turn away players

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>>163385616
>it's like it went from a great competitive skillful fighting experience to a grieding simulator

But that's unironically what Souls pvp is intendes to be.

>>163386515
I agree with that.

My favorite areas always have a few things in common:

1. There's a clear, broad view of the whole area early on, so you get to see how it feels (Anor Londo, Drangleic Castle, Crystal Caves, Brume Tower)

2. There are internal mechanisms that change how the area works, including shortcuts, making backtracking feel like a new experience.

3. The levels do not seem designed for your character, and you have to find alternate routes / explore them as an outsider, instead of things being "conveniently" located and positioned for you. If the level requires a few coincidentally well placed stairs or enemies/mechanisms to let you through, obviously designed for a player, that really breaks my immersion.

>Now hurr durr the right path is in an obscure location
see, this is where you're wrong
otherwise, I might agree

>>163386967
Yeah fuck you. I went down to the catacombs early on and could take the skeletons easily.

>>163386640

fuck this place

I'm out

>>163386840
>It ceases being fun the moment you find good players, but bad players make you feel boredom

This is why you invade. ARENA (or otherwise "honor duels") becomes boring or not fun in either case, invasions are great because one bad player is fun but a gank of bad players against one good player using the level to their advantage is fun as fuck. Just the whole psychology of it you get to experience: the bravery when they outnumber you 3 or 4 to 1, the panic that sets in when you ambush them while they're trying to deal with a tough mob or group of mobs, the insolent rage of a group of phantoms when you snipe a host who got too brave, etc etc etc. So many feels, it never gets old.

Rolls aren't a big deal once you git gud at roll catching with whatever your choice of roll catching weapon is. Just gotta come prepared, even early on in pontiff duels I remember seeing scott "I'm a gigantic faggot" jund literally hardswapping to whatever OP meta weapon countered whatever his opponent was using and going on like 6 hour win streaks.

>kill a bunch of themed gankers
>one of them adds me on steam, they seem mad

>kill them again

>invade them a third time
>they're now all wearing havels
lol

>>163387283
>lol

Translation: I got fucked up hard and came here to whine about it

>>163387259
See you tomorrow

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>>163385284
what can you offer me for it? don't worry, boipussy is a valid currency

>>163386640
This is good bait

>>163385762
Which is a fucking ridiculous feature to include in a multiplayer game and shows ONCE AND FOR FUCKING ALL THAT NIPS CAN'T DESIGN MULTIPLAYER GAMES FOR FUCKING SHIT

GOD DAMN THEYRE SO BAD EVERY DAMN TIME, SEND HELP, THE JAPANESE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO ACT LIKE PEOPLE, ITS CRAZY, IM HERE, I KNOW

>>163386967
>>163386761
>>163386640
>>163386761

It has to do with Miyazaki's dumb "Choose your own difficulty" approach to game design.

He puts hard areas and easy areas right next to each other and lets the player choose where to go, and makes them both obscured and seem equally viable choices for new players.

The reason people go to the skeletons first is because you have to enter the big building right next to the bonfire. Their mind goes Bonfire -> Building -> This must be the right path, why else would they have an arch/entryway?

Instead of the stairway tucked down in a corner, or the non functioning elevator in the second building, or the narrow pathway that looks more like background going up to where the first area actually is.

DS1 has a lot of moments of terrible game design, it's just got those quirks. It makes the game exciting and endearing, but I think most of them were due to Miyazaki's over-enthusiasm on certain game styles he really likes.

His approach to video games is to be that guy that, every time you ask him a question, goes "MAAAAYBE.... you can try and find out!" then sits back with glee and jerks himself off to watching you not figure it out on the first try.

DSG PLEASE HELP

MY FRIEND AND I CAN'T FIGURE OUT IF FATHER ARIANDEL'S ACCENT IS RUSSIAN OR SCOTTISH OR SOME SHIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKO0eCOj76U

FIGURE THIS OUT FOR US YOU SHITS

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>>163386640
>Now dark souls 2 was better in that aspect

>>163387361

Basically just the boipussy. This is newish character. I think I have Yorshka's spear, golden ritual spear, and the scholar's candlestick if that does anything for you.

>>163387420
Imagine tiptoeing on eggshells in every conversation, and every time its as big of a deal as if you were talking you your boss about christmas dinner.

They are so fucking fragile, and I'm NORWEGIAN even. Send help.

>>163387319
No, I killed them again because they kept falling for the same "try to crowd a single invader on a narrow ledge".
That always ends up with them eating two greathammer hits and spilling off

Since I posted that, I invaded them again and I didn't even get to see them, the host died to some other dude.

Like, did you actually think havel made a difference?

>>163386460

damn i really need to play DaS1 for the first time already, only souls game i've played is DaS3 which i have roughly 600 hours in but i've been procrastinating playing the older ones.

you make it sound like fun though. that's basically how i played DaS3 where i took my time and really checked out every little nook and cranny of every single level and killed every mob, seems like i'd actually be more rewarded for that in DaS1.

as a DaS3 player: anything i should know about stats before starting? i can handle everything else. 40/40 quality with 27 VIG and STR softcaps still work or are stats different in some way?

>>163387536
but that's good game design
of course, this only applies if the person playing isn't actually retarded
seriously, how hard is it to explore other areas that are VERY EASY to see when you get your ass kicked by enemies in one area?

>>163387361
>>163387558

I'm at High Wall of Lothric Bonfire, password is boipussy if you're on board.

>>163387691
in ds1 everything softcaps at 40/50 and end gives quip load+stamina
go nuts

Has anyone actually made a legit 387 character and any of the Dark Souls games? Farthest I ever got was like 214 in Dark Souls 2.

>>163387420
It's not that they can't design multiplayer games, it's that they don't understand why you would compromise the "actual" game for a side feature. To them, a "good" game should be great no matter how bad the multiplayer is, because multiplayer is just a side feature.

If you want to play competitively against someone else, go play a sport or a board game or a hobby or some organized competition. Online multiplayer is just there to add a little fun side feature to what is otherwise a -visual- single player experience.

The US is different because of how we idolize comeptition and build our games around similar mechanics (all first person shooters using the same control scheme, for example).

In the US, we don't understand why you would play a video game over and over again if it was against the same enemies with the same experience each time.

In Japan they don't understand why you would change a good individual experience just to make it so you could play against different (but not better) people each time.

>>163387935
my highest level was 515 in ds2

>>163387748
sign down I don't really need anything, since I got pretty much every item in the game anyway

>>163388047
Jesus.

>>163387264
Here's the thing anon, in DeS or DaS. If I picked anything shit and was good enough with it, I'd reliably win.
I had noob cosplays with drake sword for invading and could kill coopfags with it sometimes.
And finding someone better than you that'd you'd go meta on each other was exciting, like the first time you find a good DBS player or when someone backstab escapes you.

3 has none of that because you have to tryhard. Everyone has a carthus/SS ready to unzip when things go wrong and spears/katanas to chase people around and the moment anyone gets low they can roll spam and prolong any fight for way too long of a time. Remember when you had 99 Lloyd's and they lasted longer? Or when if a bad player dared use estus in lock on range he got backstabed? Or when you'd hit them for all their grass healed? Or when you could force remove people from your own world? It's all gone and no matter if you duel or invade, you NEED no fun allowed weapons in every character because every player is, even if unwittingly, going to abuse rolls to make any interesting fight be followed by chasing and passiveness.

>>163387961
I see, so in Japan they idolize being good against computers, but in america they idolize being good against other people.

What a world.

>>163387697
It CAN be good game design. But often times it falls flat and ends up just causing frustration. Firelink is a good example. He gives you 3-4 paths to take, but 3 of them are basically impossible unless you've already played the game or you're at least to mid-game level. What's the fucking point?

The skeletons and new londo ruins should have been behind a locked gate, which crestfallen would give you the key to once you rang the first bell. Make him drop the key also, and let the master key open the doors too. That would have solved 99% of people's gripes about firelink without changing the game for people who want to go to those areas right away.

At least that way, if you do pick the key at the start (or kill crestfallen, which is too hard for first timers) you at least KNOW that you're not supposed to be at this area yet, so it's not frustrating when the skeletons kill you. You know there's somewhere else to go.

In DS1 there's no real indication that the skeletons are the wrong way other than forcing yourself to guess that no game would be 'that hard' right away.

Am I the only one who thought that when crestfallen said one bell below he meant one was inside the catacombs?

>>163387935
have a evel 370 in ds2
Level 666 in ds2

>>163388074

Thanks for the Thrall Axe and the grab ass. What was that whippy spear? Seems like it'd be fun.

>>163388567
What the fuck
Level 370 in ds1
666 in ds2*********

>>163388683
Do you wait in the parish to beat up twinks?

>>163387935
I have a SL 404 on DaS3

Anyone else having random freezes in the DLC?

>>163388623
you mean the immolation tinder? it's a pretty shitty catalyst

>>163387691
DS3 is a really watered down version of DS1, DS2 is a more balanced/stats-heavy, but less quirky approach.

Most of what makes the souls series good is just repeats of the few fun gimmicks/quirks in DS1.

As for stats:

Poise works completely different. You can straight-up tank hits without staggering if your poise is high. ~100 poise lets you walk through most hits in the game without doing more than a slight stumble.

Elemental weapons have no scaling, so they're sort of like a split-damage Raw infusion.

There's no benefit to balancing Int/Fth (no fire/dark element) so if you go with one, stick with it.

No way to respec. Spend your stats carefully.

Single damage AR = ~150% split damage AR. So 300/300 normal/magic is about the same as 450 normal damage.

Your % load affects stamina regeneration, roll distance, and roll invincibility frames. So running at 25% load or lower (12.5%) actually has benefits, running over 50% load has serious consequences.

2H a weapon multiplies your strength stat by 1.5x. Since Strength has a soft cap at 40, this means that 2H your weapon at 27 strength is the about the same as having 40 strength. So 28/40 2H gives you the same as 40/40 1H.

Dexterity affects cast speed.

>>163387935

I maxed out in dark souls 2. Mostly farming the giant lord in the memory. Took about 3 days of straight farming

>>163387691
Resistance is a useless stat in DaS1 never level it up, Endurance and Vitality are one stat, Pyromancies don't scale with anything and are only affected by cast speed which you increase with Dexterity. You can have a lot of fun building your character because 40/40 quality is not the 100% foolproof option to faceroll.

>>163387038

hey im not complaining, i used to be one of those 1v1 SL120 pontiff honor duel red soapstone faggots for like 300 hours before quitting the game around june/july because i fell for the meme that invasions were insanely broken and being an invader was just pure hell and should be avoided entirely, then when i started up again with the DLC i decided to give it a go after arena became equally boring to pontiff duels and discovered it was actually a lot of fun, where you got to use the level to your advantage and sometimes you had to run away and regroup and the insufferable cunts were actually a very small percentage of total invasions. instead of constantly handicapping myself and avoiding weapons/strategies that were "too good" i became free and unhindered, i could use whatever i wanted as long as i could find a way to beat ganks with it. or at least make them suffer, i use backup saves so not like i need souls or embers or least of all pale tongues.

any other games that are good for griefing like souls games? wondering what else i should check out that gives a similar thrill like when you kill all of a host's phantoms and they just panic and look like they're pissing their pants. i love that feeling.

>>163389169
>28/40 2H grass crest shield on back master race

>>163388763
:^)
I love invading Township the best though to be honest

>>163389428
how the fuck do you get any invasions at that level

I don't get any at SL120.

>>163389169

i heard great club was pretty good and could be retrieved relatively early in DaS1, is this true and how do I get it/how do I build the character for it?

my first blind playthrough of DaS3 was done purely with a 2 handed lothric knight long spear and gitting gud at rolling and timing dodges, i've heard things like rolling can be chain backstab punished and backsteps have iframes and adaptability and other things i don't really understand yet so let me know.

as some other anon said apparently you cant respec ever so i'm not looking for any spoilers on content but i'd like to have a good idea of how to set up the stats and equipment for my character before starting at least.

>>163389528
Well I doubt I'll get any now, but back in the day I got plenty invasions and plenty times I got invaded
I hope you guys realize a good majority of players don't stop leveling at the meta lol

>>163389815
The meta levels are really only a US thing when the game was active.

JP players will keep leveling indefinitely.

>>163389528
You invade at level 20 and below and pick on new people. My level gargoyle cosplay with nothing but + 5 weapons was the most fun I've had in awhile.

Ended up going to the unupgraded. Gargoyle halberd because it actually had really high base damage.

What were your first weapons in DS1 and DS2?

I used the broadsword throughout the first part of DS1 (up until I got the claymore). I killed the shop keeper and got the uchigatana, but I didn't realize there was lock on in this game until the gargoyles, so I didn't use the uchi because I couldn't hit with it. After the gargoyles I went down to shoot arrows at the dragon and ended up grabbing the claymore finally.

For DS2 SOTFS I used the straight sword (swordsman class) until buying a Bastard sword, and I used that until I unlocked the Lost Sinner's Sword.

I just realized the DS1/DS2 Knight Helm is just an open visor version of the Elite Knight Helm... they're otherwise identical. How lazy

>>163390454
I remember my first character in DS1 ended up using the Gravelord Sword.

My DS2 character used the Bastard Sword.

>>163390454
DaS1 Balder Side Sword
DaS2 Rapier

>>163390454
ds1
started cleric, made my mace divine, used it til i found the greatax in the sewer then used it all the way to endgame
ds2 started warrior, found the bastard sword in fofg, then the gyrm axe in doors of pharros, and finally the bell hammer after velstadt

>>163390454
DS1 - Balder Side Sword. I got that shit to drop and didn't realize how lucky of a little shit I was at the time.

DS2 - Halberd, then Syan's Halberd, and finally Blue Flame

>>163390454
Spider weapons always

>>163389954
That explains alot actually
I added a friend back in the Darkroot Garden days of pvp
Japanese, we never understood each other though we'd always gank bosses
I moved to ds2 eventually and he continued to play ds1
I moved to BB and still, he plays DS1
DS3 comes out and he's playing dark souls 1
He hasn't been online in a few months though I really hope he's okay

>>163390454
i faintly remember using a heater shield to turtle with a rapier, cheesing most of the game after gargs with it, then pumping str and using bkgs when artorias flipped over my corpse for the umpteenth time. i also don't remember ever upgrading that shield

I just can't beat Aldrich. My magic and my magic wep does shit all for damage.

How do I gitgud?

>>163391342
pyromancy

>>163391463
I got 7 faith, can you do any good pyromancies with only 7?

>>163391556
Chaos bed vestiges

>>163391556
GCFO is 0/0. Go get that shit, anon.

>>163375289
the one problem with this, is that the wolf knight's greatsword does bonus damage to Aldrich

If he was prepairing himself for the "Coming age of the Deep Sea"

then why would he turn into a creature of the abyss, if they are not both one in the same?

>>163391342

could pestilent mercury him to death like i did

>>163391342
He is the biggest test of patience will have for this game. Just don't yolo and you win

>>163392204
How does that even work? that shit does absolutely no damage

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>>163391342
> farming sunlight metals on on the 3 boss gauntlet in Drangleic.
> all those hosts who just mash r1 and get killed by the aldia firewall
The feelings of rage and disappointment are coming back! Please help!

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>be a sunbro
>get summoned for a boss
>the host just sits back behind a great shield and lets you do all the work
At least I know your worthless ass won't die and I'll at least get a metal, fuckinh lazy prick

>>163393548

You can get medals from invading as a sunbro and you even get prioritized to co-op invade in worlds that already have an invader, just fyi.

>>163392635
it does low damage but it last a while so you can cast it on him, he sits in it and you just dodge his shit

That's what i did on ng with my wizard, dunno about ng+ since all i had to do was spam CSS at him

>Those people who sit at pontiff waiting for invaders, and bowing to you when you show up

Can somebody explain the thought process behind this?

>>163393679
This was back in das2, i did a coop plauthrough with my friend for my faith guy there.

But nice to know, thanks

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Would anyone on PS4 be interested in FC? I am willing to host

>>163393548

I let myself get summoned for bosses just so I can squat in the corner or stand somewhere with my binoculars out so I can watch hosts get buttfucked by a buffed boss.

Serves them right.

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>>163393830

No problem, also to be fair I did all my sunbro shit on my main meta level character back during release, literally just spent a night drinking like 15 shots of top shelf vodka and putting my sign down at Old Demon King over, and over, and over again. There was a point where my weapon was broken and I didn't even notice for a pretty long time, pic related.

One of the best nights of my life. Don't think you can recreate that again, there will never be a first week of release again.

>>163393815
I want to waste people's time. If you run, I'll wait, no biggie

>there are people who hate that every build in 3 is quality
>there are people who hate being able to use a large variety of weapons without having to replay the game over and over to grind out new characters

>>163394146
How do you even break a weapon in this game

I didn't think it was possible

>>163384102
he uses his sword to thrust like a lance though
about alfred, that's obvious.

>>163393930
i do that as a blue sentinel, also post webms

>>163394247
How often did you see people pulling out chaos blade in the other games? How often do you see *unzips flame spear/ccs/pole* in 3?

>>163394286

You have to rest at a bonfire for them to get repaired. I literally just kept dropping my sign down at those steps right before the boss over and over and over again for literally hours, just Old Demon King and vodka with a 2H LK Long Spear.

It's a bit funny considering I got so good at it I still beat him even with a broken pike.

>>163394338

I generally only save PvP footage, but you're right, I should've probably made some webms of that. I've seen hosts plus 2 other phantoms (beside myself) get absolutely slammered by Sulyvahn. Great comedy.

>show my little brother dark souls
>he loves it
>he manages to get to anor londo without a drakesword, pretty proud of him, he even killed an invader at sens
>watch him play a little
>he gets invaded in anor londo
>world goes dark
>invader killed gwynevere
>invader warps him to the ash lake

feels bad
why do people do this

>>163394632
same here actually, and i should also make some of bodyblocking hosts/phantoms and helping invaders.

you should probably only make it if you get footage of what hosts do to you when you do that, how they react. like hitting you with fists or something lol.

>>163394848
It's 2016.

>>163394501
yeah I see that happen in 3 and not the other ones

but I can also use a scythe, an UGS, and claws all on the same guy without grinding a new guy so I'll take it.

>>163394848
it's harder to get at anor londo with a drakesword than to get there without it though.

>>163393930

What if they literally solo the boss with a handicap like that and you end up looking stupid?

What do you guys listen to while playing Souls games?

I usually listen to stuff like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayJdEzhqQ0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAmik_WKAZw

>>163395404

I applaud him for his great victory.

>>163395602

Marathon naruto ops during hard boss fights

Gets me to stop shaking and juking it

>>163395602
SleepyCast

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How do I beat this cutie?

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>tfw you got both illusory rings on your first try and in one sitting

>>163306375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Kuhina8U4
Huh.

>>163378327

Why do people keep saying this? I had by far the most fun with faith in DS3 than any other souls game to date. You get a fairly fast high damage AoE attack with lightning stake, absurdly high damage ranged attack with Sunlight Spear, MASSIVE healing from stuff like Soothing Sunlight, and top it all off with awesome faith weapons like Dragonslayer Swordspear. Seriously no complaints here about faith in DS3.

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>>163396183
heh

Any people here form souls couples with their chars?

>>163396137
Keep your face in her ass at all times and keep stamina managed really carefully

Can anyone suggdst a good build to cheese thru pve in DaS3? I just beatthe game but want to get into the dlc next and I want it as painless as possible. I'm thinking a magic build. What's a good weapon that will fuck most bosses up with minimal effort?

>>163375289
This brings me an idea based on >>163367679
Can someone noclip and float to see what's at the cathedral of the deep's dark pool? Is it just all blackness or what?

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>>163396183
Nice

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>>163396716
Magic is bad for PvE

>>163396971
Alright then what's a good way to get through pve quickly?

Hey guys, haven't played in a very long time, not since release.

Made a new character recently, pure strength, and I'm back to the endgame. Been using a heavy infused greataxe and it seems to be the best AR I can hit with at 13 dex and 50 str. I seem to remember both the BKGA and Yhorms machete hitting harder though. Has this changed? Or is it a buff to infusions other than refined and hollow?

>>163397353
>50 STR

Go to 66 ASAP to get that joocy 50% stat bonus. When two handing a weapon you'll in effect have 99 STR and max out your AR. Sixteen points will go a long way to helping you figure out which is the best in terms of scaling.

>>163397353
Isn't the BKGA a quality weapon?

>>163397248
Dump everything into STR and END

>>163397503
I guess in a roundabout way my question was did they nerf the machete and BKGA? Also are quality refined and luck hollow still the best builds and infusions by far?

How stupid would it be to infuse the Crow Quills with a blood gem?

>>163397759
Aren't blood infusions like universally bad on everything?

>>163397959
just wondering

With how spammable the knives throwing move is, it doesn't seem like the worst idea.

Would infusing caestus with anything be a good idea?

>>163397759

You could try using it with blood gem and carthus rouge with the miracle glitch.

I won't tell you how to do it but if you know how then that can work very well, I tried it with bleed twindaggers a while back.

Is it possible for me to obtain the Hollow's Ashes after I complete the Lord of Hollows questline and kill Yuria of Londor?

>>163394632
>>163394338
I have this one, quality is shit I guess, but I managed to get the invaders to trust me by giving them DB and siegbraus

>>163398224
Use rouge on sharp quills. You could also abuse the glitch to rouge blood quills, but that's not a nice thing to do

>>163398337
Do the knives from the WA bleed people too? And how much?

If so I might make a meme build just to try this out in all honesty.

>>163390454
My very first experience with DS was with DS1; a kind anon had me run to get the Red Sign Soapstone so I could summon him on the XBox 360, and he dropped me a bunch of gear so I could do a spartan run: Gian'ts Helm, Iron Round Shield, Partisan and Spear, and some other armor. I know, Spartans having round shields is just a meme, but it was an extremely fun build.

Thanks again anon!

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>>163388242
People who defend ds3 don't ever bring up the fact that most invasions, duels or any form of pvp you always have the failsafe switch (rolls) you can keep spamming with no reliable way to defeat other than a small minority of weapons with a good poke that you MIGHT just be lucky. There are times when you can win because your enemy took too much punishment but times when you come across a guy who spams the roll button, it simply becomes a cat-and-mouse chase with Benny Hills theme bgm.

>>163397248

Raw ASS + Carthus Rouge, all stats into Vigor & End.

Minimal stat investment easy mode.

>>163398452

You're better off with Splintering Bolts I think.

>>163398879

Are splintering worth it? Everyone always seems to use explosive.

>>163390454
I still haven't beaten DS1, I got frustrated with curse and not being able to find anybody to summon so I just left it. I was using a regular broadsword.

I beat DS2 with the bastard sword and a shield crossbow loaded with tons of poison bolts.

>>163397248
>Beginning to Undead Settlement
Fire gem longsword
>Undead Settlement to end of Carthus
Dark hand
>Irithyll to rest of game
Raw ASS/Dragon Slayer's Axe or anything with Carthus Rouge/bleed
ds3 is a piece of shit game

>>163393861
I'd be down, I need something to distract me from losing to Aldrich and the Dancer.

>>163398951

Explosive bolts are better, but I thought you went for a meme Bleed build?

Friede part 3: or how I learned to hate this fucking game more.

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>>163398337
Forgot webm

>>163398452
Yes they do, actually a significant number (1 R1 per knife). Not sure if a bug or not or if it changed since last patch, but I use them on Irithyll SLs to poison people. They don't hit people often when they get smarter, but the proc goes through rolls anyway.

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>>163398989
You can't see summon signs while Cursed.

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>>163399116
>friede's final form
>just more bullshit moves and dark flame because it's cool

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>>163399121
>Yes they do, actually a significant number (1 R1 per knife). Not sure if a bug or not or if it changed since last patch, but I use them on Irithyll SLs to poison people. They don't hit people often when they get smarter, but the proc goes through rolls anyway.
I'm looking forward to my assassin in making.

>ywn play Dark Souls (one) for the first time ever again

I was just fighting hosts in a wild gank and suddenly the "boss defeated" sound came up and I was sent home without a message.

Did a hacker kill the gankers boss? Is that a thing in DS3?

>>163399479
>playing on PC

>>163399621
What would you prefer to play in?

Only here to ask. Is there any way to make a Dex/Int quality build in DS1? Right now I just beat Capra Demon, Moonlight Butterfly, and Bell Gargoyles.
>level 29, attun 15, vit 13, end 16, str 10, dex 16, int 22, started sorcerer, master key
Using +5 Estoc, +3 Crest Shield, Magic Weapon, Great Heavy Soul Arrow, Fall Control, Sorcerer set + catalyst. Equip load 14.0/56.0.

>>163390454
Used Halberd all the way on my first character.

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But seriously is there even a dark souls fan artist that can top shad base?

>>163399810
Anyone without a rimjob fetish

>>163399810
That set is literally the only thing he drew that I like

Who's the Jon Snow lookin motherfucker who tries to kill you after Sulyvahn and you run past all the sleeping giants

>>163399980
Dark souls 2 referances

>>163399810
>rosaria
>having a tongue

Jesus fuck, I do no damage to Black Flame Friede.

What the fuck am I supposed to do?

>>163400684
Hornet ring backstab or stunlock her existence with a bleed weapon

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What do you like the most about sister friede?

>>163401158
that she's optional

>take BB boss
>put it in Souls game
>do this like 4 times
>Dark Souls 3

Ffuckj From

Is it possible to tank through 3 greathammer 2h hits using the dancer swords or did I just fight a hacker?

>>163401206
>>163401158
Wait who?

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>>163401495

>>163401267
>did I just fight a hacker?
ja

>>163401835
Oh wait, I'm retarded and read that as Friede's Sister

>>163375289
>If the Deep is regular Dark, why is shit like the insects refered to as being 'from the Deep?' Because according to you, they're the nasty Abyss shit, so why not 'from the Abyss' or, according to your theory about naming, 'from the Dark?'
The insects referred to by the Gnaw miracles aren't native to the Deep, they invaded it and made their home in it. They are foreigners in the Deep. Furthermore, Gnaw is referred to as a "Dark Miracle,"-- distinct from other Deep miracles like Deep Protection, which are not -- consistent with the naming convention that you're mocking

>>163399101
Sorry but I don't think there's really enough interest to keep an FC running right now. I'll check back tomorrow and see if there are more PS4 friends that are receptive to it.

>>163375289
>Why would they bother setting up a giant Cathedral with an order of knights trained to kill giant monsters and a miracle intended to protect clerics working in those conditions if 'the deep is just metaphorical my dude it was inside you all along'
Because people who succumb to the monsters of the Deep either (a) go hollow or (b) turn into hideous monsters like pus of man or slug creatures or giant curse-spider things and other bullshit like that

ded thread
ded gwynevere

How do I use the black bow's WA? It always misses. Is it only good for HUGE bosses?

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>date cancels twice
>no aquaintences want to hang out or eat
>second date makes plans at the last minute
>best friend said he'll play Souls with me but he went out to buy his gf a dog for christmas and is staying at her place tonight
>drunk

Who wants to do a PC DS1 playthrough? Aiming for SL60. Voice chat?

>>163402716
Dark arrows

So while I heard leveling Vitality is mostly pointless, it feels like you can barely put on any armor and weapon+shield without fat rolling.

I don't know what I'd be doing without Havel's Ring in DS3

I mean I guess it's the greatsword weapon choice but still, seems you've got less wiggle room than the other games

>>163402846
That won't stop the arrows from mising will it?

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>>163402828
be here in about 12 hours and we can be miserable together

>>163402964
Try using them and you tell me

>>163375289
>There is NOTHING that says they have assembled a huge pool of human dregs.
Deep Soul, and Great Deep Soul (which channel the Deep regardless of where it comes from) fire "dark soul dregs." dark soul = humanity, so dark soul dregs = human dregs. Therefore, the Deep, were it a physical location, is a huge pile of Soul Dregs in the same sense that the Abyss is a writhing, giant mass of wild humanity.

>claymore WA shield break doesn't guard break GS of glory
Why? How do I even fight against a LS glory shield user?

>>163375172
>The external provocation would be the experimentation
ok, but that's a huge difference between that and there needing to be an Abyss infecting you. In the former, you can more or less drive your own humanity wild on your lonesome, or get a "friend" to do it for you, which is the whole point of what I'm trying to say. A sorcerer can channel the Abyss without having to visit New Londo or get a Darkwraith/Kaathe to personally stuff Manus' Abyss inside them first.

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>>163403057
I took off work tomorrow for my twink date but I'll be free all day

>>163403337
GSoG is one of the worse GS.
Get a carthus shotel or deep/dark SS/CCS and go full offensive on their face

>>163376792
that guy wasn't the guy you were arguing with last thread

>>163403539
Should I put Carthus
Rouge on the shotel?

why does arena make me so angry

Its the only thing that has ever made me legitimately mad in a souls game

>>163376792
Literally no one is arguing that the Deep isn't a place, that would be like saying that the Abyss isn't a place (which is wrong). What you seem to be 100% incapable of understanding is that, EVEN THOUGH (even though -- even though) the Deep has a physical location on the planet, it has a correspondence with the Humanity we carry within ourselves, much like the Abyss has a correspondence with the Humanity we carry within ourselves, and the Deep outside the Cathedral is a large mass of this corresponding component of Humanity all in one spot.

>>163403060
Thanks anon

>>163403801
>why does arena make me so angry
Whenever I lose a match I take my headphones off and close my eyes until the loading screen

Otherwise I might end up killing someone

>>163403801
where si the arena

>>163403690
Depends. I siggest you pack a melee infusion one and a deep/dark one. Agaibst good turtles use the later, they know how to roll through bleed. If a turtle blocks more than 2 hits, feel free to ruin them with rouge

>>163403853
Remember to pack physical arrows too when you don't need the dark ones

I've grown to like Wolf Knight's Greatsword, it's been really good to me since about Abyss Watchers on (just got past Aldritch)

Is it worth it to continue upgrading it? What about Siegward's sword? Both are pretty cool.

>>163404090
I just took a shotel to +9.
I can do an SS with dark or deep. Which do you recommend for a STR/quality build?

>>163404203
I'm finding it hard to tell if all dark arrows home or if only the WA homes. Mantual aimin has the arrows miss, even If I'm aiming just off from the body

>>163404296
WKGS has been my favorite gs for a long time. I just love the moveset.

Stormruler (Onion's sword) has only like 10 durability, so it's really not a good option unless you want to challenge yourself (and pack a ton of repair powder)

>>163391912
Aldrich, like literally everyone else who tried worshiping the Deep, was seduced by the evil that lurked within it, and now worships the Abyss instead

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>tfw inherently good at souls because I played the fuck out of all the armored core games in my childhood and teens
>tfw I missed out on experiencing the so called "brutal difficulty" all these dudebros hyped up