/agdg/ - Amateur Game Dev General

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me again cunts

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New "Venice" level test

gonna make some gondolas and some weird obstacles for this world

>>163220803
NPC mechanic's pretty good looking already.

>>163220945
>things that force you to stop
No way man, that's not good for a game based around speed
Make them shoot at the player along the path so they have to move left or right to avoid them, not stop entirely

>>163220945
how much work have you put into camera collision detection/mitigation? Its always interesting to see how people deal with it.

>>163220945
Ballons are a nice addition. You seem to never dissapoint in making the game even more fun than it already is.

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>>163173913

----[ Recap ]----
Game: Cyberpunk-y detective simulator
Dev: Jacques Guga
Tools: GameMaker, Manga Studio, Adobe Flash
Web: http://gugajoke.tumblr.com/
Holidays: Santa hat
Progress:
+ Made lots of assets
- Still didn't think of a name

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>>163173913
----[ Recap ]----
Game: Space Carrier Ops
Dev: anon
Tools: Unity, Max, Photoshop
Web: N/A
Holidays: santa hat
Progress:
+ Ultra basic HUD targets and targeting
+ Bombs and guns added
+ Ability to drop munitions before they go active
+ Support for multiple weapon types
+ Lots of refactoring over the course of the week
+ Explosion support with splash damage/impulse
+ Ability to reload while landed
+ Started work on turrets
- Targeting needs a total rethink, current system is very placeholder and restrictive

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at the end of the credits a legend is reincarnated in a less trademark infringing form

srs though i hope to have him as a funnier easter egg at some point but i have not forgotten about speed simon

>>163220945
always love seeing progress on your game and desperately want to play it. agree with >>163221087 though. maybe have an alternating path around the obstacle that is harder but doesn't require you to stop?

>>163220601
>> Engines
>GameMaker: yoyogames.com/gamemaker
>Godot: godotengine.org
>Haxe: haxeflixel.com
>LÖVE: love2d.org
>UE4: unrealengine.com
>Unity: unity3d.com

tools.aggydaggy.com/engines

>>163220538
Because something like the OP shouldn't be used for personal preferences. Why Haxe but not Source, why Love but not XNA? And, the longer the OP is the less likely people are to actually read it. And, the aggydaggy site does a much better job of profiling the engines than just listing them. The OP should be like a newspaper recapping the latest news, not a catch-all workspace to shove anything that might be relevant to someone.

>>163222495
regulars don't read the OP
its for newcomers really

also could you put a trip or name on when you post so I can filter you?

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------- FORMAT
----[ Recap ]----
Game: Throbot
Dev: Scarfdev
Tools: gm:s
Web: http://scarfdev.tumblr.com/
Holidays: santa hat
Progress:
+ made animations for carrying heavy shit
+ adjusting camera to show you more without being nausea inducing
- im trying to not suck at fighting games so that's taking a lot of time right now
- gotta start making actual enemies and level assets i guess
- still not sure what kind of levels i actually wanna have yet though

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Bake in ambient occlusion and my textures almost become tolerable. Lack of shadows still means everything looks like it's floating though. No time to fix it though.

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>>163222495
because source and XNA are absolute shit engines

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Using Unreal Engine.
Want to achieve some sort of "paper doll" effect on 2d sprites, where switching armor/weapons will update the character model by swapping out the old piece with the new one that was equipped.
However, while this seems fine and can be reasonably accomplished with sockets, I'm wondering how this will work when animated.
I'm thinking the best way to implement this would be for each armor/weapon to have its own flipbook, and to have the frames synchronized with the main model (weapon plays through an 'attack' animation, along with all the other flipbooks that compose the sprite) to make it look like one cohesive unit.
Does anyone have any tips on this concept in general? Can this be done in Unreal?

>>163222628
>regulars don't read the OP
Because its full of minimally relevant and stale information. Imagine if it had who just launched their greenlight or kickstarter, or what new projects had debuted in the recap. And its not like having the engines list stops people from asking what engine they should use.

>>163222495
Replace Haxe with MonoGame, sure. There's no reason besides baiting shitposters to put Source in the OP, though, nobody actually uses it (just like Haxe).

>>163223220
What the hell is that animation even supposed to be?

>>163223220
you really need to learn art m8

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>Get home from PROGRAMMING FOR 8 HOURS
>Struggle with trying to set up basic collision detection for 20 minutes
>Fuck around and just change up the velocity variance for loot drops to make them juicier instead
p-progress. . . .

>>163223290
>>163223375
>none of this is constructive feedback
wow guys just fuck off trying scare a hardworking yesdev away stop wasting his time why would he listen to you at all where's your game huh let's see your animation didn't think so go back to nodevving alone you dreamking pieces of shit

>>163223375
>>163223290
Agreed it looks BAD


>>163223220
you should stop making this shit and only work on that other chameleon game.

>>163223698
triggered

>>163223676
Same, except I'm trying to figure out a good architecture for targeting and managing all the targeting info needed. I think at this point it might be better to just shoot first and deal with the consequences later so that I have a better idea of what I need.

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/r9k/ is making an RPG- Wojak's Journey.

If you want to join the development team, join the Discord:

https://discord.gg/X8ZjE83

>>163222649
>No time to fix though?
Too busy fingering your onahole girlfriend?

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Who are some good (famous and reachable) youtubers that I can send the game to be played?

I'll have my alpha ready next month and I need to start thinking about PR and marketing.

Pic related.

>>163224073
good boy Griffin McElroy

>>163224073
>Who?
Can you link your project? I don't think I've seen it before. I'm certain I would have remembered that artstyle.

>>163224073
what game

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>>163221867

>>163224045
That sounds cringeworthy as shit. Maybe you should take it to Reddit. I'm sure they'd love to make a meme game.

>>163224448
>something from /r9k/ sounds cringe-worthy
impossible.

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----[ Recap ]----
Game: Bout O' Wizards
Dev: Hamfist
Tools: Godot, Aseprite
Web: nothing set up right now
Holidays: snowman
Progress:
+ Started the project
+ Laid foundation for spell casting system
+ Annoyed a bunch of people with my main menu
+ Integrated elevated spaceholder sprites for arena, wizard, and Fireball spell

>>163223760
Read the filename.

>>163223375
Where is your art?

>>163223760
Bokube looks pretty good as much as I hate the dev for being a tranny. The shitposting on the dev is getting more blatant by the day with how much better the game is looking.

@163224771
)You(

>>163224771
>agdg shitting more and more on a dev the closer their game comes to release
Is this news?

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i have a grid. i pass the coordinates(S) of a cell to a function and an integer as a second parameter. if i pass 1 as the second parameter, i get all the coordinates of the cells marked with an X. if i pass a 2 as the second parameter, i get all the coordinates of the cells marked with an O. and so on and so forth.

i need THE MOST ELEGANT ALGORITHM to do this, please help.

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>>163224180
Thanks senpai

>>163224218
>>163224428
I rarely post here since I spend most of my time working on it. I think I've only posted 2 or 3 times, despite being always around.

I don't have much to show because I'm not on my main computer, but it's a survival based on some old movies/games. At first we wanted to make a sequel of The Thing, but you know.. Copyright and shit.

The name is Crimson Edge.

>>163224884
>lets lynch devs who are too close to escaping nodev status.

This >community

>>163223965
>Believing it is the actual dev

>>163225030
The same "community" keeps asking why all the yesdevs leave. Apart from gogem.

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>>163224443
that one you posted is my favorite piece of fanart ive ever gotten. everything about it is perfect.

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I'm going to make a Catholic game that really makes you think and encourages a return to traditional moral values!

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>>163224045

How do you games automagically scale everything to different resolutions?

>>163225331
>catholic
>moral
they imbibe alcohol as part of their rituals, that's not halal

Estimate the minimum team size and cost for an MMORPG on the scale of vanilla WoW.

>>163225457
good post m8

>>163225457
It is drunkenness that is sinful, not drinking.

>>163223676
Working with programming is the best way to kill programming as a hobby.

>>163225756
How does this person look so much like an old woman and a man at the same time?

>>163225626
2much
2much

>>163225752
review your scriptures, sinful millennial..

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>>163225756

>>163221087
yea, ill probbaly tweak the flamthrowes, good point

>>163221128
ue4 has a camera arm/probe feature. basically i just set the size of the sphere and what objects will collide with it, the camera arm gets shorter if it collides

>>163221158
thanks. im trying to add a lot of cool stuff so that it stands out from other games in the genre. So far with the boss fights and all these mechanics it's starting to feel unique

>>163221976
thanks. yea ill test some new layouts

>>163225778
Luckily for me it's all I give a shit about.

>>163226049
Jesus drank wine: "And having taken the chalice, giving thanks, he gave it to them. And they all drank of it."—Mark 14:23
Jesus was sinless: "Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth."—1 Peter 2:22

>>163226425
jesus did magic, do you do magic?

>>163226680
i normally enjoy your shitposts, but this is weak

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got the grappling hook working with 2.5d movement (denoted by splines). got a galloping animation going but the rig is broken beyond repair. whole model needs a redo anyway. also have to fix the neon green floor. but for now I'm going to get to work on making the sword functional. will try to use mouse aim thrusting but I will see how it plays in conjunction with the grappling hook. will be interesting once enemies are added

grappling hook is still buggy at times. mainly turning points in the 2.5d spline movement and just turning back and forth quickly and cause errors

>>163226773
it's not a shitpost, it's real life.... you cant drink just because jesus drank, he was a magic 30yo wizard who could turn water into drank. he probably turned the drank back into water before it hit his stomach. if you're not a magic wizard you're not sinless like jesus.

>>163226680
"In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me."—1 Corinthians 11:25

>>163226785
I like that it's coming straight out of his butthole.

>Australian """""""""""""""""humor""""""""""""""""""""

I plan on making a game where you pilot mechs in Unity3D, and kill stuff.

Are mechs a meme, or do other people think they're cool too?

>to top it all of googum is a christian
For fuck's sake mate...

>>163226959
>jesus
>sinless
Googs if you're going to shitpost at least get your information right

>>163226968
>They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder.
—Qurʼan, Surah 2 (al-Baqarah), ayah 219
next you'll be saying RNG in gamedesign is halal too.

>>163227184
what's wrong with that?

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Do the good people of aggydaggy have any recommendations for Unity tutorials for someone who is not new to vidya making but is new to Unity and C#? Every tutorial I've found on YouTube so far has been shit (example: https://youtu.be/EBRrNzi3mWM) at either explaining things or the tutorial being way too slow. I'm considering just diving into Unity's documentation so that I can learn everything at a faster pace, but I bet there's better ways of learning Unity out there that I'm not aware of.

>>163225626
you can skip a ton of people because you can use 3rd party networking solutions and engines.

that's all i got.

>>163227282
if you are not new to vidya making then you should just start a project and learn how to do stuff as you need to. there is no more effective way to learn than that

>>163227282
Bump for this.

I know Java and how games are made. But I plan on starting with C# and Unity next month. I really don't want to start with hello world and some pajeet telling me what an int is.

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>>163224912

assuming top left of grid is (x, y) = (0, 0)...

>get S location -> (2, 2)
>pretend our second parameter is 1
>subtract second parameter from both values -> (1, 1)

Now we know where our 'start' will be.
Then we will run 4 smaller functions, which could be thrown into one bigger function I guess.
This function(s) will log/mark/track each coordinate of the top, left, bottom, and right edges.

You will need to pass the x and y values for our 'start' coordinate (1, 1).
x and y values will be labeled as x and y respectively.
Lastly, since it will be used repeatedly, we want a "max" value of how many coordinates along one border we will bother with.
Judging from your graph, max = (distance * 2) + 1 should be sufficient.
This would mean that something like a distance of 2 would be 5 squares long on one edge...
(2 * 2) + 1 = 5

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get_top_section (x, y, max)

i = 0 <-- our counter variable

while (i < max)
track_coordinate (x + i, y)
i++

return


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get_bottom_section (x, y, distance, max)

i = 0
bottom_y = y + max - 1 <-- since we are tracking the bottom, we need our y to point at the bottom.
Alternatively you could pass the pre-calculated value, but this method
is a nice set-and-forget thing where you just worry about passing x and
y and that's it.

while (i < max)
track_coordinate (x + i, bottom_y)
i++

return


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cont'd...

C# vs Unityscript for Unity scripting?

>>163224912
please anybody this is your chance to be a hero

>>163227181
What do you care about what other people think? Just do whatever you like. Otherwise you'll end up like all the furryshit enablers here.

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>>163227181
Mecha are cool as fuck. I would love to see more mecha games.

What's your favorite anime?

How would you turn it into a game?

>>163227282
http://catlikecoding.com/. He goes in depth, also explains some unity specific details. I've been slowly reading so the knowledge soaks in over time, even though I've used unity for a year or so.

>>163227497
c# absolutely

>>163227596
Please tell me this is a thing you're actually working on because that looks awesome.

>>163227436
I feel like if I do that, the game's scripts will end up being very hacky and inefficient, if how I learned PHP a few years ago is any indicator

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>>163227496
part 2
Looks like my comments got fucked, rip
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get_left_section (x, y, max)

i = 1 <-- keep in mind, we already wrote down the coordinates for the top and bottom.
new_max = max - 1 <--- because of this, we don't need to write them down again, as we will have
--- duplicates.


while (i < new_max)
track_coordinate (x, y + i)
i++

return


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get_right_section (x, y, max)

i = 1
new_max = max - 1
new_x = x + max - 1 <-- moving to 'top right' section here, and will mark downwards.


while (i < new_max)
track_coordinate (new_x, y + i)
i++

return


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I'm sure you can start to plug things together, or have all four of these smaller functions called within a singular larger one, which can handle the calculations outside and pass the values as needed, since there is some repetition in the temporary variables.
Another possible thing you could do is combine the left-and-right, and the top-and-bottom marking functions, since you could call the mark function twice on the each iteration, and pass a different X or Y value each time so that you are grabbing both sides.
I'll be up for a bit longer, let me know if you have any questions.

>>163227184
>>163227184
Jesus is a prophet in Islam not the son of god.
keep up with which Abrahamic fanfic we're talking about.

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>>163227651
Sadly no. It's just a cool low poly mech I found and is now in my inspiration folder.
Here's another inspiration.

>>163227496
>>163227687
May I talk to you about our lord and saviour, pastebin.com?

SDL tutorial recs, please?

>>163227642
>http://catlikecoding.com/
This looks really neat, thank you

>>163227896
http://www.sfml-dev.org/download/sfml/2.4.1/

>>163227892
nah

>>163227950
Should I take that to mean you prefer SFML to SDL?

>>163228024
you should, and i do.

>>163227496
>>163227687
Actually, I think I found a way to do this a bit better, will post momentarily.

>>163225756
i haven't been here for a year
did rotatedev become a tranny?

>>163227596
I plan on making something cool by maybe mid next year. Low poly mechs seem like the way around my fear of drawing or animating anything complex.

>>163228416
Yes. He literally started taking HRT and went full retarded. Luckily he seems to have fucked off, though, rather than keeping the bullshit drama here... unlike me... ju

>>163228740
st now.

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>>163228442
I'm looking forward to seeing your game and progress!
Low poly is definitely a good choice. Luckily mecha are fairly easy to rig and animate, because the animation doesn't need to be perfectly organic. It's okay for it to look a bit robotic.

>>163228740
i don't believe u

>Still having trouble setting up spatial partitioning to start collision detection
I wanna die

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>>163228907
Here's an image a turbo autist put together... which is the only image I could find in short notice. Bottom left is actually Rotate, not what I posted earlier in the thread (I just thought they looked similar).

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>>163229000

Who /yesdev/ here, but doesn't post progress because cba / doesn't want ideas stolen?

>>163229085
well shit

>>163229308
I used to fear having my ideas stolen but the I realized that the effort involved in not only creating my idea but also catching up and passing me is too much for a lowly thief to handle.
Just post it anon

>>163229308
ideas are at a surplus. no one is stealing yours.

>>163229308
I just don't have any good progress to show right now.
>doesn't want ideas stolen
No one is going to steal your idea. People would much rather spend their time working on their dream idea.
Maybe some minor mechanics that are easy to implement could be stolen, but that's about it. And that's assuming your game has unique mechanics.

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Reminder that someone literally made this and then posted it itt as if it were a game or progress.

Reminder that the FBI has a helpful handy tip line where you can report nodevs who are terrorists.

>>163229656
Can you post that source.jpg that looks like a rooftop or something?

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>>163229656

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>>163227496
>>163227687
>>163228135
>>163227504

pass the center (x,y) coordinates and the second parameter as distance.
logic under assumption that top left is (0, 0), meaning:
Increases to x go to the right.
Increases to y go down.

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get_coordinates (x, y, distance)

i = 0
x = x - distance
y = y - distance
distance = distance * 2


/* top section */

while (i <= distance)
mark_coordinate (x + i, y)
i++


/* right section */

x = x + distance
for (i = 1; i <= distance; i++)
mark_coordinate (x, y + i)


/* bottom section */

y = y + distance
for (i = 1; i <= distance; i++)
mark_coordinate (x - i, y)


/* left section */

x = x - distance
for (i = 1; i < distance; i++)
mark_coordinate (x, y - i)


return

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There might be something a bit more efficient out there, but this is hardly anything I'd consider a resource hog. If you really want to go for elegance, maybe you could pull out some trigonometry to figure out which coordinates you need to mark, but I imagine this should be sufficient, or at least doable for the time being. Tested this with a distance of 3 and it worked correctly, eyeballed distance values of 1 and 2 and it looked okay.

>>163229435
>Just post it anon
maybe in 2-3 weeks
I feel like I'm nearing the point in which someone couldn't overtake me if they did want to copy.
Currently, someone could create my game in a week, if they knew what they were doing.

>>163229545
>>163229595
I disagree. I think my idea is worth stealing.

>>163229085
>someone sat down and took the time to make this

Pathetic.

some ideas ARE worth stealing. see: infiniminer

>>163229819
imagine if you made progress instead of shitty up the thread obsessing over whoever it is you're talking about

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Finally got distractions working. If you make noise, enemies will target it for a small period of time, either allowing you to escape or make a sneak attack.

>>163229819
>caught out as mothmandan in /x/
>not even crazy

>>163229971
No one knew Minecraft would become as big as it has. Notch used to post in /v/ gamedev threads, yet no one ever stole the idea and finished it before he did. It was just another neat game being made.

>>163228740
Is that agdg knock-off website rotate made however long ago still around? I had an account on it, but ended up never posting there and now I can't even remember the url.

SDL

OR

SFML

>>163230175
Nah it died.

>>163230078
loving your animations
it's a little strange how the dude goes straight to cowering from angry pointing

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>>163229656

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>>163227596
nice design, i wish more mechs had clean and simple forms, most concept art is greebled, indecipherable nonsense that is hard to model

Is godot fine for 2D games or will it be overkill?

>>163229656
>that gif
Why is it even allowed?

>>163230513
Godot is perfect for 2D

>>163230513
>overkill
No an engine that makes gamedev accessible to tards is not "overkill".

>>163230210
no

>>163230307
I think there's room in the world for both. It depends on the context, but I agree that I'm not a bug fan of it when it becomes gratuitous.

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>>163223220
Tempted to sketch out slutty bok game where she rolls around all sexy and gets dirty.

I'm so depressed. I can only program on a singular thing for so long before getting completely lost in my own code. It's not even complicated shit. I just get totally lost. I can write just fine, but reading code is a completely different beast.
How do I not be so shitty?

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>>163231008
>>163230307
o deer

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>>163224912
here's what i did, feel free to refactor

>>163231280
depression isnt real, its a jewish invention

>>163231183
Boku is a boy! The premise is that his Girlfriend gets kidnapped. What are you talking about?

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>>163230307
it's mostly because most people who draw mechs aren't engineers and think that the more pistons and pulleys are around, the better, and that the outer surface of everything is a mess of screws and hatches that dont go anywhere

>>163227596
>implying this is lowpoly
>>>/po/

>>163231280
Just follow tutorials and try to understand the code there. Then add your stuff to it. After a while you will probably be good enough to read and write more complicated stuff on your own.

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Texturing this is as hard as expected (never had to deal with such fucking messy and triangulated UVs before), but it's slowly coming together.

>>163229656
Gross.

>>163231546
Boku is a lesbian.

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I've nearly got 2D slope collisions working, but it's still broken. If I post my code, does anyone think they could help me out?

>>163231716
are you doing bones or vertex animation?

>>163231719
post away senpai

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>>163231562
Is this better low poly for you?

>>163231506
Look at the duplicated code. How can you make it so you only have to write it once?

>>163231820
Probably going to have to use vertex animation this time, due to the extreme lowpoly-ness (382 tris).
Slow and frustrating fun-times ahead!

>>163231280
Comment that shit like a 4 year old is going to read it. Document EVERYTHING, down to every single "obvious" variable.

>>163229656
I know the image is an ebin meme now, but why did someone ever post it in the first place?

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>>163231905
>model a transforming mech
>it can't actually make the transformation

>>163231905
do you not understand that what was posted was not "lowpoly" but just literal real life papercraft

are you, like, actually stupid or something

>>163232143
I don't see any transforming mech there.

>>163231820
>post away senpai
https://hastebin.com/igixoyamin.php

It's a bit spaghetti-coded, please forgive me. I wanted to actually get it working before cleaning the code up.

cant w8 for the lowpoly meme to die

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Is this lowpoly?

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>>163232332
Lowpoly is nice, though.

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Is this lowpoly?

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>>163232505
>.gif
>it doesn't even move

>>163232549
until you introduce any sort of lighting engine, or try to do anything in any other style than ripping off MM Legends

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>>163232168
What? Are you talking about >>163227596
That's not papercraft. That's a 3D model.

>>163232727
not really it's just old

it's the appropriate resolution for the time, console, and application

>>163232784
im positive ive seen that exact green mech on /po/

it's still not lowpoly because it's got plenty of fine curves to it, it's just a blocky design in general

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>>163232727
Is that building even a 3D model, or is it just a bunch of 2D sprites slapped together?

>>163231506
what kind of shit meme language is this

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>>163232505
>>163229656

>>163233167
>102 else { // there has been a collision
>103 position.setX( newPos.X() ); // update position

Whoops, that setX() call is not supposed to be there. I put it in for debugging and forgot to remove it.

>>163232962
why does everyone think that ~lowpoly~ means also having to have garbage resolution textures with "pixels" that are actually 8-16px wide

not even many games did that, most ps1 era games tried to have "realistic" textures, there just wasnt bump mapping yet and the PS1 had issues things being "wavy" since it handled vertices in an interger space instead of using floats

>>163233324
FUCK ME
MEANT TO QUOTE
>>163232318

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>>163229656
easily the worst thing ive ever seen in any /agdg/ ever

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Spent a lot of time working on a targeting system. Don't have anything to visually interesting to show yet, but I just realized that this is going to have to go deeper than I was expecting and is now going to have to affect how Ship, Launchers, and Munitions all handle their own targeting.

>>163230210
SDL.

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>>163233339
Because "realistic" textures often look like complete garbage on low poly.
It's better to just keep the textures simple and clean. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean low resolution pixel art, but that's still better than realistic textures.

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>>163232505

>>163220601
Ok, so I already know how to start making games but how do I finish them?

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>>163233619
meanwhile in MM legends, the game everyone tries to rip off, the environments also look like complete garbage

it's almost like what makes modern ~lowpoly~ look nice isn't related to the texturing or number of polygons, but the vastly higher display resolutions we have now so it's not all a blurry mess running on an already badly-aging SDTV

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>>163233619
>Because "realistic" textures often look like complete garbage on low poly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55P-UHdZ7WI

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>>163233778
Yes that wall texture looks bad, because it's a noisy mess, not because it's pixel art or on a PS1.
What makes modern lowpoly look nice is artists knowing what they're doing to make nice looking art. Even if it's a lower resolution it can still look good.

>>163234030
read the recap post

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>>163233471
I've been doing this all with an interface, but that has its disadvantages because I'm finding Unity isn't particularly fond of them and creates some really nasty problems. Doing it with interfaces makes a lot of things easier, but is also starting to create a lot of headaches now that I've got to tie this all back into the Unity stuff. Doing Targetable as its own standalone Component also has advantages, but it makes the code a little messier because there's a lot of conditional things I have to account for that are more easily handled with a build interface.

I'm at a bit of an impasse right now. I think I'll take a second shot at this tomorrow.

>>163234029
you forgot the infinitely superior tools we have now

>>163234030
Your waifu looks like Carrot Top, man

>>163234490
So every game that doesn't use the best available tools and isn't crysis-tier realistic is shit?

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>>163234029
>because it's a noisy mess
exactly, because it's running on a PS1 which handles the 3d aspect badly, and because the texture itself is upscaled a shitload and very messily

modern memepoly only looks good because of advances in design -- in "objective" terms, it's not any nicer than realistic styled works, and it's not like it's any easier either (since you have to, as an artist, know where detail is to be sacrificed to maintain the style -- that stupid meme car could have had 10 poly wheels (8 sides forming the outside, and one each per sidewall) but there's extras to make them more round. the design of the thing also just lends itself to blockiness, but there's still spots where it's unrealisticly round for the level of irl technology that would necessitate that style (the front of the cockpit, the sachel on the side, the wheels)

Like, contrast that to, say, a Box Guard from Deus Ex HR/MD. Both look good because that kind of robot/vehicle is just a neat, cute design, and the blockiness in general is what lends it a lot of its cuteness through simplicity. the thing you posted just has bigger "pixels" in a probably similarly sized texture (i.e. instead of going to 1px, they used a big brush per pixel and high contrast between areas of color. and some kind of shader or upscaling process to introduce more aliasing than there should be.)

>>163234490
also this, and better media to display them

>>163234650
what? im saying devs in the 90s didnt have blender and zbrush if they even had modelling applications at all

>>163229656
can sum1 pls explain this 2 me

>>163234818
Oh, I thought you were saying that we shouldn't do low poly because our tools allow us to do better art

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>>163234650
no one said that but have fun believing it anyway

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----[ Recap ]----
Game: RAD Ross
Dev: Apollo
Tools: GameMakerStudio
Web: N/A
Holidays: Snowman
Progress:
+ Multi directional shooting
+ enemies
+ Now with 50% Carrot Top

>>163232505
delete ths

>>163235085
>>163234726
>>163233886
jesus christ man get it together

>>163221675
>cyberpunk-y detective simulator

Same here! May the best man win.

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>>163231183

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TUSSLE is making the jump to Unity to actually become not garbage.

Thanks for calling me a retard for not understanding Unity. My attempts to prove my point in Unity have led to me to actually, finally get it. This is the end result of an afternoon of work in Unity, from zero knowledge of Unity at the start.

>>163235208
I swear at least 2-3 devs do that every week

>>163231183
>>163235294

NO

>>163231546
THIS


HOW DARE YOU FAGS
RUIN SUCH PURE WORK REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>163235294
the internet will never let me down

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>>163235294
that face is creepy as heck

>>163235465
im sorry, senpai

>>163231183
I want more

>>163235294
This is disgusting however

>>163235465
I drew it based on my own face, so thanks. :^(

>>163235294
is bokube a girl though

Will your game make you rich?
0, 2, 4, 6, 8 = Yes
1, 3, 5, 7, 9 = No

Rolling

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>>163235294
Not even close.

Hey, I'm a 2D animator, never dabbled in videogame making but want to give it a serious go; if I were to learn programming language like java or c+ for an unrelated IT career, would it help in making games or are they completely different things?

Is Rpgmaker a serious platform to consider? What about Gamemaker? The former sounds very limiting.

>>163235359
>making a game when you can't even post properly

Engies and Wagies. When will they learn?

>>163235673
looks about right to me

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>>163234454
Well, after a little more elbow grease I got at least something working with this whole targeting system.

The two turrets in webm related are both randomly targeting any targets that are out there and within range. The gun turret on the left changes targets every second (for faster debugging earlier), the missile turret on the left changes targets every 8-12 seconds. The targets are getting communicated all the way down. The launchers and missiles (and ship) have all required some conversion to use this new targeting system so that they can still function. Thankfully, they do still function just as well.

Ship targeting is hosed though. You can't do a GetComponent call on an interface (GetComponent<HUDTarget>() is not valid code) which really complicates some things, and means that I can't get ship targeting working again without some pretty decent re-writes of how the HUD displays targets and how the ship is detecting/cycling between them. To be fair, that was going to have to happen regardless, but they'll definitely be more extensive.

I don't know. Going back to what I said earlier, I'm not sure if this is the right approach. Doing it the component way is the more Unity friendly way, but I also feel like the code just won't be as clean and clear cut as it can be with the built in C# interfaces.

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Would you play an open world action-adventure game in the style of Animal Crossing?

>>163235829
Im not even sure what that would be like

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>>163229656
why the fuck would someone make that ffs

>>163235673
I'd say he nailed it...

>>163235829
Heavily relies on arts so nobody can do it.

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>>163229656
>a 0fps furniture shooter

>>163231506
Instead of having 2 methods that are pretty much identical, why don't you just a add a new parameter that is either +1 or -1?

>>163235770
I really should have re-read that before I posted.

>the missile turret on the left changes targets every 8-12 seconds
I meant the one on the right.

>You can't do a GetComponent call on an interface (GetComponent<HUDTarget>() is not valid code)
To clarify here, what I meant is that you can't do target.GetComponent<Whatever>() where "target" is an interface. Writing that out though, I suppose you could work around this by having the interface contain a Transform or maybe some kind of wrapper function using the Transform of whatever implements it.

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>>163229656

>>163235693
>Should I learn Java or C++?
>How about RPGMaker or Gamemaker?
What a rollercoaster.

What kinda 2D are you animating? If it's pixels and you want to tell a story / make JRPG, go with RPGMaker. If you want to include more gameplay, use Gamemaker. If you are doing another kind of 2D animation, GM supports Spine iirc. You could also take a look at Godot, which has a decent in-built animator.

In neither case will it be necessary to learn Java / C++ first, because those engines use their own scripting language. Sure, general programming knowledge always helps when going for gamedev, but there are several devs here that started with engine languages and are doing fine.

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Is it normal to get depressed after finishing a game? I feel really fucking unsatisfied and tired when I should be feeling proud.

>>163237206
Depends on the game. Making a cashgrab shovelpiece should definitely leave a bitter resentment for yourself in your mind.

How do you guys choose the next step in your game when you know you have more stuff to do but you're not quite sure what to start with?

>>163237206
Time to make another one.

>>163237292
can't be a cashgrab if it's free

>>163237308
Ask the investors

>>163237308
drop the game

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Unity is finally starting to click for me.

So long, engiedevving, hello sanity.

>>163237206
You probably have the whole "loss of meaning" thing going on.
Completing a time consuming, potentially entertaining project can kinda suck in that regard.

Its like post-natal depression. Its all over, now what the fuck am I gonna do with myself?

The answer: Start a new project or consume time with another hobby. The feeling will pass.

>>163236238
thanks that's a good suggestion

>>163237308
I ask myself "What is the feature that adds the most to the game right now?" and then do some miniscule shit to avoid working on the essentials.

>>163232318
>>163231719
Anyone?

>>163232318
You seem to be separating on vertical and horizontal. This will not work as far as I know. Instead, look at penetration/overlap and then try and solve from there.

>>163235770

Could you add a HUDTarget script to all viable targets, so that you could call GetComponent<HUDTarget>(); ?

>>163238184
But aren't they supposed to be done individually? I'm following this tutorial by the way: http://higherorderfun.com/blog/2012/05/20/the-guide-to-implementing-2d-platformers/

Is it safe for me to assume that every player has a standard controller nowadays?
- 10 buttons min
- left/right axis
- 1 pad

>>163238584
Nope. Compared to the big picture, barely anyone.

>>163238584
yes.

>>163238584
mkb for life

>>163237808
SDL_Point v = tileLayer->getSlopeValsAtIndex(SLOPE_TILE_ID);
int ly = (tileRow*tileSize) + v.y; // y position of left side of sloped tile
int ry = (tileRow*tileSize) + v.x; // y position of right side of sloped tile

Are these .x and .y values switched?

>>163238584
you can design your game for gamepad, but you better have a mkb options

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>>163238690
Nope, they're actually both y values. I'm just storing them in and SDL_Point for convenience, so one of them is labeled x. The sloped tiles look like pic related (different sizes, though) so the top left corner is the highest point (lowest y value) and the bottom right corner is the lowest point (highest y value).

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>>163231716
Almost done now, but it's 8 fucking AM, so I'm off to bed!

Good luck with your devin', aggies!

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/agdg/ will steal my ideas if I post progress, so I've decided the best course of action I should take.
I'll post when my game is done.

So I have a question friends:

I am working on an RTS in Unity with A* pathfinding. I planned on adding units of different size and I found two ways of figuring out where a unit can travel or not.

1) I use the unity colliders and just brute force check every node in the A* pathfinding with the units size.

2) I use an annoted A* map and get rid of the colliders.

I'm leaning towards the second choice but im wondering if it would be more efficient by using the colliders since they are such a huge part of Unity.

Any advice would be great.

>>163239409
cutout shader soon?

also gonna have animated texture eyes?

>>163239520
who?

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>>163239520
>I'll post when my game is done.

>>163239571
needs a unity logo on the mic

>>163239550
>cutout shader soon?
What?

>also gonna have animated texture eyes?
That's the plan, yes. Maybe not quite as cartoony as Spyro, but I'll see what I can manage to produce.

>>163239520
post a screenshot + dev name then

>>163239530
>bruteforcing collision checks
Do not do this
Collision checks are expensive and you should aim to use them as little as possible

>>163239640
I was just mentioning a cutout shader because you don't have alpha on the feathers in that gif

>>163239737
I figured as much. I already implemented the annotated a* but I'm getting some huge spikes when path generating. I'm probably doing something wrong and need to refactor.

Thanks for confirming what I was thinking though.

>>163239742
What is a cutout shader, Anon?
Is that a shader swapping a colour for complete transparency?

Alpha will be fixed later, I just didn't have any alpha in the texture file I was working with.

>>163239520
Then you better cut that shit up and post slowly over time to make it look like you are in the process of working on it still, fckr

>>163238337
I can imagine a million edge cases that makes it fail. You could attempt to code around them, or you can approach it from a reasonable direction.

Just because someone wrote something, doesn't mean it is good and true. lol

>>163239827
the way I've normally seen this handled is through is by baking multiple navmeshes depending on mobility type
so like you can like split your units into big/small/flying or whatever you can generate a small number of meshes, and the only cost really is keeping them all in ram

>>163239848
yup cutout just has one level of transparency, either see through or not. Unity has a couple built in, but they are also pretty easy to write yourself.

>>163240131
I see.

Is there any benefit to doing that, as opposed to having alpha data in the image file?

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Thinking about dungeon generation and I'm trying to think of the best way to do a real-time system. Just copied/pasted code from my roguelike but it doesn't work.

> Procedural generation rooms + hallways
> Procedurally generated large areas / caves
> Maze generation like TBOI
> Hand-made levels

The dungeon crawling is supposed to be very shallow. You pay X amount of gold to generate a dungeon, the more gold you pay the harder the enemies in it are and the better loot they drop. It's not supposed to go down more levels, just one floor per run. So I don't want to spend too much time on implementing several different techniques. I just want to pick one and stick with it.

>>163240110
My current problem is when finding paths for huge distances. It just chokes for a noticeable second and then works but still...

>>163240176
well a cutout shader will just use the texture's alpha, and usually compares it with a cutoff transparency value, like

if(maintex.alpha < 0.1), alpha = 0 or don't render or whatever in the shader code

>>163240243
why not design a small set of levels and have enemy waves be procedural instead

>>163240243
>real-time dungeon gen
That sounds pretty easy, unless you mean "run-time"?

>>163240332
That's a possibility, definitely. What I meant by Hand-made levels. The enemies will never be set in stone.

>>163240368
Sorry, meant real-time gameplay. I adapted some code from my roguelike which was turn-based and grid-based, so there's a big difference.

Is there a lightweight way in GMS to make the world rotate around the player? I'm doing a top-down thing with tank/FPS controls, and I'd like the player to always be facing the same direction (up), and when he spins left, the world spins right. Hope that makes sense.

>>163240328
Yeah, I just meant to ask if there's any benefit in terms of optimization? An alpha channel adds to the file size, but that's negligible now. However, could it be less taxing on the engine to not have to deal with alpha? I suppose at least semi-transparency must be a little bit more taxing on the system?

>>163240472
Lots and lots of trigonometry all referencing the player object.

>>163240472
Why do you want to do that?

>>163240583
Why wouldn't I?

>>163240616
what benefit does it give you over just rotating the player?

>>163240505
I'm not a big 3d dude but I do know that semi-transparent things often have issues decided what "order" they need to be drawn in to look correct.

>>163240685
It makes it more like an FPS in that it's actually possible to get lost, which is sort of what I'm going for.

>>163240505
semi transparent is technically more taxing, especially when you have to evaluate lots of stacked semi-transparent objects, but in the end unless you are targeting extreme low hardware it shouldn't be an issue.

I don't know enough about ps1 style hardware, but it did support it. In the end you might find cutout fits your artstyle more or something, who knows

>>163240737
>>163240783
Okay, thanks senpai!

I'm fucking dying now, so good night

>>163240472
Program the game so the player rotates in logic, then use surfaces to rotate the world for the UI.

>>163240981
I was figuring I'd need to use view_angle, I'm not sure of the math needed, though.

>>163240774
ufuckingwotm8?

>>163241071
I'm doing a Roguelike/lite and fucking around with field of view and such. Based on exploration.

>>163241067
In all seriousness, why not just lock the player object to (0,0); then pull everything either towards or away from it depending on if it is moving forward or backwards?

>>163241067
You could try setting the view angle to match the player's rotation, I've never tried it.

>>163241202
Seems pretty complicated, especially since I'm planning on randomly genned terrain and stuff.

>>163241220
This is what I'm attempting to do now.

>>163240298
A* is going to chug given a large data set, no matter how well you implement it.

You need to split the map up into layers of abstractions beyond a grid or what ever and run A* on that first.

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Now that I have a much more efficient particle and trail system that can actually handle transparency, I'm working on a couple other particles. Added wingtip vortices and afterburners, both of which I want to make context-sensitive so vortices only appear in high-speed turns and afterburners only appear on full throttle

New background tiles soon maybe

>>163232318
I don't see why you have to overdo it so much. Don't think of slopes as separate collision, just think of them as collision and modify your movement vector based on the angle. Basic trigonometry. Get the normal of the surface you're colliding with and you can get the angle between that normal and global up.

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aaaa why is he teleporting

fuck you
C# is much more gay than GML

>>163244307
Perhaps his position got reseted? And then you kill him without any real death code?

>>163244320
elaborate

>>163238584
You should always support KB(M). Though as far as gamepad support goes it's definitely acceptable (and it will help your sanity) to just use XInput.

>>163244420
GML is easier and more understandable. C# is gay

>>163240243
Mixture of the first two.

>>163244307
you're not resetting some time value so when you have him move again, the time value is already at the max so he teleports

>>163244475
what exactly dont you like about the languge? genuinely curious

>>163244565
I've not seen much of it yet, but it seems to use more complicated syntax than GML.
If I want to do keyboard controlls in GML, it's simple as fuck, but in C# you use weird words the whole time.

It's also much easier to look up syntax for GML, to get an idea of how you have to write shit.

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----[ Recap ]----
Game:BONE LORD
Dev:space dog
Tools: GMS, graphicsgale
Web:http://spacedoggames.tumblr.com/
Holidays:santa hat
Progress:
+ tiles
+ shitloads of menu stuff
+you can have a conversation with a skull

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getting turn stuff working

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What engine should I use if I'm to smart to use WSYIWIG engines?

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working on tiles, sprites, obstacles
skellys can now knock on doors

>>163245040
this is that hopo game

>>163244806
did you abandon that restaurant game or are you expanding

>>163245040

>skeletons bend at the waist and headbutt shit to attack

nice, but you gotta up the movespeed of your necromancer senpai.

>>163245083
scope of that game is 2huge so I'm doing something small for now for experience plus to see if i can even be successful doing this or if i should just give up while i'm still young

i want to get back to it eventually

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Progress:

Sorry for the poor video quality, my laptop is a shitter.

Anyways, got charged attacks implemented. The video has a blue ranger lining up a charged line attack against 4 red characters. The red knight repositions the blue ranger one tile down, forcing him to commit friendly fire instead.

Super pleased to get this working. Just need to clean it up and get the camera working a bit better.

>>163244806
>Hooligans enter the restaurant demanding tribute!
>FIGHT!!

>>163245437
lmao when i saw that it's a football game
very cute

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new rendering technique for the angels. I used a centaur form to demonstrate its possibilities.

I could animate this too if I ever spent the time to look into it

1/2

>>163245525
Thanks!

It's final fantasy tactics meets american football.

Super John Spellway's Actual Fantasy Football.

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>>163245547
2/2

How much math do you need to make game /agdg/?

What is the consensus in 2D development on performance and efficiency vs. using methods that are easy and comfortable to implement. Is performance even a concern in 2D?

For example I made a function that masks rotated sprites using only the texture region and offset, but it is much simpler to use a shader so you use a 2D light to only show the relevant area. However this is 250% slower (almost 25 ms for 1000 sprites compared to 10, on my old machine)

Another faster solution would be calculating a polygon with UVs (The masked area is itself polygonal, so the masking with alpha blending is not strictly necessary). This would be more work again.

>>163245684
trig and some vector math is all you should know

>>163245684
Depends on the game and scope. For a basic 2d game you would probably only really need trig and some calculus

>>163245684
addition and subtraction

>>163245714
my smell test is to just try running it on a shitty computer: if it still runs at a consistent 60fps nobody will care

25ms genuinely bad, tho

>>163245760
I haven't used calculus since calculus class in college years ago
it's one of those things that truly doesn't get used in life

>>163245714
For 60 FPS you have a 16.667 ms frame budget. 10 ms for 1000 sprites for one effect could be a real issue. Even if it's going to be applied to <100 sprites in practice or whatever, that's 1/16 of your frame budget for a single effect.

>>163245859
not at mcdonalds no

>>163245684
2D: vectors, trigonometry, maybe matrices, maybe calculus
3D: vectors, trigonometry, quaternions, matrices, maybe calculus
That being said, you don't really need to understand much about them, you just need to know how to apply them. You don't need to grok quaternions to know they represent a rotation and scaling in 3D space.

>>163245040
>skeleton army politely demands entry and just knocks on the door, being at most only mildly irritating

>>163245968
don't h8 bro, mickey d's pays way over minimum wage

>>163246113
pizza delivving is where it's at, i bought a house on that shit

>>163245040
The shadow looks a bit odd, he's going up and down by a few pixels while the shadow grows to twice it's size.

>>163245817
>>163245919
I have a real toaster here with integrated graphics and I am using Godot at this point. This is using the scene system because you have to have objects to have materials (as far as I'm aware, unless you use C++). Drawing directly to the screen without objects it takes 4 ms for 1000 sprites, but in that case there are other things you can't do.

The thing is I won't do this to 1000 sprites in my specific game, more like 5 at most at a time, and less than 1000 on the screen.
This would all run much faster on a normal computer. But is it normal or necessary to make specific code to save performance in 2D or should I just use the simplest way possible so I can go on making the game?

>>163246319
>Drawing directly to the screen without objects it takes 4 ms for 1000 sprites
that is already retarded slow

>>163246319
but anyway to answer your question
yes, just do this simplest thing first and then optimize later if you aren't reaching 60fps
that's the approach to take for all projects

>>163246203
yeah I'm still playing with it, but I don't care enough to really rewrite that drawing code at this point
just want to finish the levels and fullstop this game already

Advice regarding making mobile games?

Whether it's related to selling/marketing them, or what to look out for when making them.