/agdg/ - Amateur Game Dev General

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First post for Rin

What should I model for practice, /agdg/?

Third post for Amazon Lumberyard

Amazon Lumberyard

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>>162781354

>>162781354
How much experience do you have?

Rust

ideas for non-zelda-like room transitions in a zelda-like?

>>162781375
Very basic, I'm terrible at organic models.

The filter list should be added in the OP desu

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programmers!

>>162781428
Well, it sure is a game, but someone already developed it...

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>>162781524

>>162781641
Can we please leave the /dpt/ memes in >>>/d/?

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holocaust tycoon

which language is the most practical to start learning? If i learn C is there a huge difference to C++ (as i see most game engines use the latter.)?

>>162781936
Done, but I would like it as a standalone instead of a mod.

>>162781936
do we really need another fantasy game?

@162782167
XD

>>162781968
C++ adds classes, but most of the syntax is almost identical. The biggest change would be the libraries you use, (cout vs printf), etc.

classes are pretty damn good for game programming though.

C# is similar syntax and great as well.

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>>162782337
>classes are pretty damn good for game programming though.

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>>162782225
How passive aggressive can one jew get?

So Aseprite was updated recently and they finally implemented mirroring. I really want to like it, but why is basic functionality still missing after so long?

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>>162745932

Eyy, it's yo boy anon with a fix for his stupid water.

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>>162782403
how would u make a crpg without classes? checkmate

>>162782698
* mirroring on a single pixel

>>162782403
are you saying object oriented programming isn't useful for games?

that's what I meant

sometimes I think I should add ">" to the filter.

>>162782741
Did she die?

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>testing out Blackjack minigame
>get blackjack on first try
I wish my luck was actually this good.

>>162782741
Good on ya. When are the airbubbles coming?

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gimme ideas for fun spells please

>>162783125
oh fuck, I like this, I don't have any ideas though.
How did you recognize the shapes being drawn?

What's with all the OOP hate in agdg? A meme gone too far?

>>162783125
lightning bolt
poison cloud
tornado
meteor
horde of rats

>>162783314
go away shitposter

>>162783125
all the letters of the alphabet should all be symbols

>>162783125
>Not going for VR gesturing support
Think of all the money!

Rooting your enemies in place / beanstalking them into the sky.
Swarm of insects to distract.
Summoning a semi-lewd decoy.
Inflating enemies' heads so they fly away.

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>>162783125
Japanese katakana could be useful for spell shapes, they're very simple shapes to draw, and there's a lot of them.

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>look at him go
Code progress only : Tree behavior is finally implemented.

Everything is configurable and I just have to switch the modules around to create new behaviors. Even adding modules at this point will require very little coding.

>why did you make something that complex for a fucking placeholder slime?
I have no fucking idea but this slime is going to wreck shit

*- procedural generation base done, just need tweaking
*- destructible terrain done
*- battle mechanics done
*- AI done
Finally, maybe I'll take it easy for the next days and just code fun and useless stuff for a change

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>>>162743832
>please kick the following people in the genitals for me if you happen to meet them: Rami Isreal, Zoe Quinn, Robin Arnott, Phil Fish
Believe it or not, but most of the devs in the industry never heard about gamergate or any drama related to gamers angry about something. Among my 470 Facebook friends (most of them are devs) I can't even find someone criticizing No Man's Sky. I even go so far as posting the steam score and asking what was the problem, to get other devs come and tell me everything was fine.
Though this one was so big, we talked openly about it a few times.

I'm spending more time reading comments than reading news, so I know well about dramas, but that makes me a rare exception. Most devs (even the ones who come to professional events) are actually scared to talk to gamers. They say that's not their job.

When it comes to top indie devs, the feeling is really close to top news journalists. They are really convinced there is no problem in the system. And they think that if there is a problem, supporting the system is better than changing the system.
When you tell them any opinion from a gamer, they just answer "I never heard of that, from which press outlet does it come?"

I spent hours trying to convince french devs than some people really believe in social justice, but they just think I'm crazy to even think such people can exist.
By the way in France gender theory is not supposed to exist, so gender theory believers are considered as a kind of a myth.
You are accused to be a fear mongering intolerant if you say that gender theory believers exist, they say that you are making up imaginary extremists to make left values look bad.

I kind of give up trying to explain what are social justice warriors and what they want. They just say that it's one or two idiots on the internet, so none of this is real. Nobody believes me. I feel like someone who saw aliens and who tries to explain they are real.

>>162783609
stop blogging

>>162783576
thanks weeb

>>162783673
fuck off

>>162783609
>When it comes to top indie devs, the feeling is really close to top news journalists. They are really convinced there is no problem in the system. And they think that if there is a problem, supporting the system is better than changing the system.
>When you tell them any opinion from a gamer, they just answer "I never heard of that, from which press outlet does it come?"
That's fucked up and explains a lot.

>>162783609
>They just say that it's one or two idiots on the internet
But they actually are the minority when it comes to games.

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>>162783609
I wish I was surprised, but I am really not.

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>>162766394
>[dead]

>>162782337
thanks
i like to start with simple, pure things, so if it isn't absolutely useless, i'll probably start with C
i was just worried there would be too much change when i move from basic programs to a game engine

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>>>162745086
>where do you get the money to travel to all those events?
This one is just one country away (from France to Switzerland). They will take care of the hotel room, and maybe the travel expenses (I'm not sure about this one). I paid all of this by myself last year, it cost me around $500.
I still don't know if I will go to some US event, it would cost me more like $5,000 (or even $6,000).
Ludicious is a contest, so you get free stuff if you are nominated, contrary to events which are pure festival and you have to pay a lot to have a stand.

>>162734435
>Did you ever create the "next video" inside the big cube?
I intended to make a self repairing enemy ship and you had to make a bit of a parkour map inside it in first person to reach the next point.
But when I saw the hype caused by the project, I told myself I should put more work i the base technology, or risk deceiving people. 6 months of open alpha later, I switched to the puzzle game project to make the DNA / electronics technology stronger.

>>162733007
>Well shit, I guess you're banned then. Only amateur game devs allowed. You're on your own pal, good luck
It's true I'm less and less of an amateur. But as long as I just like to make games, I think everything should be fine.
AGDG is actually the english spoken community where I got the most feedback.

>>162783609
>most of the devs in the industry never heard about gamergate or any drama related to gamers angry about something
Honestly I don't know anything about gamergate or all of that drama. When it first started I just ignored it like all the other drama gamers always make. Then it just kept getting bigger and bigger but I still had no idea what it was about.

To this day I never bothered to really look into it. Is it still something that's happening?

>Gone Homo still asking for 20 dollaridinosos on itch
Holy shit.

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>>162783306
Mouse positions are converted to an array then the array is compared to preexisting shapes and whatever has the closest match is picked. Its far from perfect atm but its good enough to test with.

>>162783423
I was thinking about doing runes or something, but the problem is its difficult to draw them in a smooth motion.

>>162783445
I was thinking about putting in voice support since that's pretty easy in c#, only problem is it won't work on linux

>>162783576
weebs pls go

>>162783987
Once you have the syntax down, the only thing that you need to learn when it comes to engines is the engine's API, as in what functions to call when you want something done. That's just a normal part of learning any tool though.

good luck

why do you follow the "games industry" like its fucking oil futures?

>>162784302
It was free last month

>>162782854
Yes.

>when an idea gets stuck in your head just enough to bug you but not enough to provide actual motivation towards making said idea a reality
>This compounded with a complete lack of knowledge on making games
>And depression
>And not having the spare cash to buy the system I want to make this game for (Vive)

I want to die.

/blogpost

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Warioware but in VR

>>162784204
>Is it still something that's happening?
Only as much as the Korean War is still happening.

>>162784204
>Is it still something that's happening?
No, but occasionally people will write retarded articles about the evil goobergrapers around every corner. Like how one bitch wrote that we "Elected Gamergate to the White House" after the election

It's just another boogeyman like the Patriarchy at this point

Ah, fuck me. I'm tired of getting too caught up into details and lofty ideas and end up nodeving in the end. I'm churning out shitty clone games now, I don't give a shit anymore, I just want to make games.

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how about this original idea
Warioware but in VR

>>162784072
You really have to work on your English, dawg. I hope you're getting someone to revise the English text in your game. This advice extends to all other foreign devs in AGDG myself included

>>162784341
we follow it like it's fashion, important difference

>>162784319
>>162783125
+ = Heal / Decurse
D or 3 = Bow
L = Sword Slash
I = Lance
S or N = Lightning
. = Vanish

>>162784432
Gimmick, won't last a month.

>>162784705
That's pretty good, I can see it having above average success.

>>162784705
Genius, you've done it again Molyneux

>>162784341
I don't, I only play games from 10+ years ago.

>>162784768
>D or 3 = Bow
>L = Sword Slash
>I = Lance
Those aren't spells silly

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>mfw want to filter "source" but it nets an amazing amount of false positives
>mfw guy-who-creates-Source-OC-and-then-samefags-"wow disgusting"-100-times-every-thread-for-years won't fuck off

Please post "artists > programmers" images.

I'm farming (you)s from my programmer friends on normiebook.

>>162785114
The solution is easy. Filter the md5 of the images they use.

>>162785157
but anon programmers > artists

>>162785157
I bet you could farm (you)s with CS students or Girl Code vs Guy Code.

>>162783864
its tape

>>162785179
He keeps making new stuff / minimally changing the pictures, though.

>>162785354
Life ain't easy. You have to choose between false positives or having to occasionally update your filters.

>>162785114
4chan filters are regular expressions, take advantage of that by filtering common constructions rather than individual words. You can test them here: https://regex101.com/

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>can't find solutions to my WebGL problems anywhere
what do

>>162783125
Stealing this idea for an android game

Guys, what about a moba that you make your own character in, instead of choosing from a pool of premade heroes?

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Would anyone be willing to play my boss and let me know what they think of the difficulty? I'm trying to balance it, but I'm just one person and I tend to make things easier when I suck and make things harder when I don't. I can't seem to strike a balance.
I think I have the boss pretty close to good balance, but I'd like some opinions.

https://mega.nz/#!9A1zlT5Q!WpukLAzM5avwQRPrKbwTDtqqbgcqI9ZMC4NEAOtWC-I

No install, just the .exe. You'll start in the room before the boss which has some equipment that is practically necessary. Since you're not playing the stage, I'll tell you that you can hit projectiles flying at you to destroy them. Also let me know if the font shows up like in the picture attached, since I don't know how it'll react on systems without that particular font installed.
Controls are arrow keys, z and x. R restarts the game and S toggles the experimental shader that may or may not lag your game

Thanks.

>>162785354
Good thing it only takes a second to click "filter image" with 4chanX

>>162785354
would it be possible to apply reverse image search / image matching tech and filter any image that is similar to source?

>>162785570
Dota's ability draft?

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>>162785658
It's not often obvious that it's Source. Sometimes it looks like normal progress. Lately he's been making new ones every couple of days.

>>162785529
explain your problems rather than talking about them

whats the problems?

>>162785570
I always thought it'd be neat to have a moba where you have to figure out what skills your opponents have.

It'd be like that shit from anime where you don't want to show off your ultimate until jussssst the right moment, lest people figure out to counter it... Of course that'd never happen if said moba featured heavy rubber banding

>>162785354
>>162785515
This. Filter shit like "progress haha" or "lol, just lol".

>>162785891
That's great anon. How much longer are you going to be posting about this? You talking about him while he's not around is just as shit as when he is around.

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>>162786051
Previous anons weren't me. I just wanted to participate. Please forgive me.

>>162785961
I'm wondering if I can lump objects shrinking with distance into the perspective matrix, the same matrix which I've got stuff like near and far cuttoffs in.
It'll clean up my code a lot, and I want to see if it inherently solves the more major problems I'm having before tackling those.

>>162786161
Love you, anon. Let's go make some progress!

>>162785596
trying it now
so far I am getting used to controls and no air-control
projectiles may as well be invisible. you focus on the top orb moving down into attack range, your eye naturally watches for that one and then you just get hit from small orbs shots from the lower ones.
since the boss is pretty much always moving out of range you really just have one likely line of attack

>>162785515
Huh neat link. Bookmarked!

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>>162786431
a-anon are you ok?

>>162785529
It helps to ask other people when google/etc fail you! If not just to get the correct keywords to search for.

>>162785157
thats pretty cringy

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>>162786431
>there was a ""person"" who thought this was a game

>>162786414
maybe have the orbs be different color than the projectiles and maybe make the rotation of orbs alternate?
longest i've lived so far was just focusing on dodging and throwing the sickle.

>>162786414
thank you for the input! will definitely make the projectile more visible. you also have a projectile which is pretty much essential to win that you pick up in the previous room by hitting the torches. up + attack to use it if you have enough magic (two bars)

thanks again for the input anon!

>>162786431
What is that gif? Did someone actually make that?

>>162786195
that sounds like a general 3D engine creation question to me, but that is way above my head.

but shouldn't a perspective matrix already handle "skrinking with distance" since that is perspective by definition anyways? otherwise that is orthographic isn't it?

>>162786881
I keep trying to spam my throw attack like you could in other vanias. I don't know if you could spam it in the NES one though.

>>162785980
Yeah, and you could set up your build in the pre game lobby so your team would be able to sync up

maybe at the beginning you choose a class and level abilities related to it, then as you get higher level you can level and choose from other classes

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The separation of UI/Client is now complete. This took a while. Next up is going to be basics of character creation screen, then after that trying to draw generated floors on the map and moving about. Still on track for this roguelike to be released in 2045.

>>162786431
What kind of madman would make such a thing?

>>162787297
in the nes castlevanias you collect pickups that can allow up to 3 projectiles on the screen at once. so far you can only have one on the screen in helleton but you can hit the scythe in the air to keep it going without using magic

>>162782741

That looks really good, nice job doing variable fill times based on width of open areas. It's a nice touch that is often overlooked

>>162786431
that framerate is giving me a headache

>>162787412
>roguelike
Subscribed

>>162785596
Downloading

>>162787037
Well, calling it a perspective matrix doesn't give it that ability.

>>162787553
I wrote up a short post playing through 4+ times before realizing you could bounce the scythe. Makes it a lot easier. I think you've explained that it could bounce in previous threads.

>>162787318
client level, i mean. like summoner level in lel of legos

>>162787553
timing the sickle hit is one more thing for me to focus on and i get pounded by the falling block
this is frustrating m8

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Working on guns for my space ships.

Got the bullets spawning, a dispersion value, support for multiple barrels, bullets time out eventually, and support for inherited velocity.

>>162787835
indeed

you are accounting for fov in your matrix right?

>>162788117
Nope.

>>162788286
assuming you're the original poster, the more you explain about your problem and what you've done so far, including code snippets and the construction of your matrix, the more likely you'll get help

otherwise its blogposting or you don't even have a game and you should fuck off

>>162787867
And once you get that down, the boss becomes pretty doable. Difficulty seems fine to me.

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pew pew pew pew

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Spent a long time studying the Spyro map posted here yesterday, and it's been a great help!

Making my own map using similar techniques took all day, but I think I'm almost ready to texture this now

>>162782741
this looks great good job anon
>>162789137
Nice pews

>>162788483
can you beat him?

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Exploding pews

They're actually not supposed to explode when they just time out, but I disabled that bit of code so I could make sure the effect was working.

Now I just need to get the hit detection working. There's a piece of code that I always recycle for that because it's worked so well in the past for me that I haven't been able to write anything better the couple times I've tried.

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>>162788457
Alright, well I figured out the perspective matrix thing.

Though I just remembered I still have the problem that if I look down, I can see objects I'm level with from above, and vice-versa.

By the way, by "account for FoV", does that simply mean having a factor by which objects shrink with distance?

>>162789137
You should probably make it so that those beams are longer the faster they're doing.

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working on this chibi knight, stuck on laptop for holidays and texturing via remote desktop has been something

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>>162790148
Whoops, didn't mean to include that image.
That's from a problem not related to the camera thing.

>>162790026
Yeah. It takes most of my HP, though. If a full level runback was involved, I'd probably look less favorably on it.

>>162786848
>maybe have the orbs be different color than the projectiles
good idea. not sure how thatll work in practice but ill fiddle with the colors.
>and maybe make the rotation of orbs alternate?
i thought about that. it would make hitting them with the scythe easier on the first pass but i kinda like needing to line up the the bounce pass instead. i think alternating them would be a better idea than what i have though, so i'll give that a try.

>>162787867
>>162788483
thanks! i want to find a way to explain that you can hit the scythe, but im trying my absolute hardest to only explain the bare essentials in game and have the player figure out the rest through experimentation.

>>162788068
thanks for the input. sorry that its frustrating. thankfully im doing this boss balance build thingy so that i can make sure that its still hard while not being frustrating.

>>162789427

Are you going to use vertex colors along with the textures?

>>162790462
thankfully there is no lives system. i think im going to implement an option to restart the level if you would like to try to get gear that you can't obtain from the pre-boss room or include some kind of optional lives mode down the line, but right now there are unlimited retries in every room

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How would you code a tornado to suck things nearby up? Something like:
>check distance
>check velocity
>alter velocity a bit depending on distance to point more towards the tornado
?

>>162790625
What do you mean?

I'm considering making skyboxes with vertex colours (like those in Spyro), if that's what you mean?

>>162785596
Personally the difficulty balance is ok, but the fight is too long, and can get tiring/boring. The way I would blance that would be, giving the player the chance to strike an extra hit on the boss after all the orbs are dead, so instead of doing 1 point of damage each time you destroy the 4 orbs you could do at least 2 (or 3 if you time your scyte throw correctly, but this should not be too easy to do).

It would be great if orbs react somehow when the scythe hits them, a fast color blink would do the trick. Maybe even have them change color each time they receive a hit and stay that way so you can know how many hits it has left.

Having some of the torches on the road give you HP instead of MP could be helpful too.

Are you supossed to be able to hit any torch in the start room besides the 2 on top of the platform? tried to hit the ones at the sides while falling but I couldn't do it.

The font works fine for me, but I may have it installed, what's its name?
No lag from the shader on my toaster.

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>>162790801

Spyro's levels had vertex colors and textures used together.

Also that is fucking awesome.

What engine are you using?

I'm done. I give up. I simply can't art.
I'm a pretty good programmer, I'm a lead developer at a major aircraft corporation as my day job.. But I'm just so bad at art. I get headaches every time I try to do anything related to art. 3D modeling, pixel art, vector art, all of it drives me insane. Unfortunately, you can't make a game these days without art.

Looks like my goal of making a game dies today. RIP

>>162791013
>Spyro's levels had vertex colors and textures used together.
Oh shit, that's possible?
No wonder Spyro's fake lighting looked so "dynamic"!

Going to use Unity, if I can figure it out.
Would love to try to get something to render on the 3DS.

>>162790540
I think that when you attack since the whip curls from the top it should it shots coming near your head, I don't know if it does that in the NES one but I think it might on some DS GBA ones.
For some reason I keep thinking I can attack to block ones near my head but it doesn't work obviously. Also how are you supposed to beat this without taking damage?

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>>162790793
you could either pull things into the tornado direcly, or move them in at an angle depending on the effect you want. a tornado iirc wouldn't directly suck you in, but pull you sort of perpendicular to its center for a while

the general steps, idk how to do this in your engine:
1. for each enemy within range of the tornado
2. change the current velocity by a vector based on the distance between

>>162790148
I just know that as FOV approaches 0, objects approach an orthographic kind of distance scaling. FOV and the aspect ratio are the other parts of the frustrum's geometry.

I still wanna see your code/screenshots just because I'm curious and I feel they'd describe your issues much better.

>>162791162
>not making UI game
If gogem can do it, you can too.

>>162791162
can you not even make a thing with boxes in unity

>>162783583
Are all the states in your AI state machine game objects in your scene? What?

>>162790167

Nice Spiral Knights clone

:^)

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>>162790148
Once I have an actual gun to shoot from and not just a bunch of placeholders I'll put more thought into the visuals. Though, I definitely have something I want to do to make them more visible.

All the basics for the gun/bullet are down, now the more complicated part of integration into the ship itself.

>>162791174

Uhh, yes it's possible.

Vertex colors can be used in some crazy ways Pic related.

>>162790965
Thank you very much anon!
>so instead of doing 1 point of damage each time you destroy the 4 orbs you could do at least 2 (or 3 if you time your scyte throw correctly, but this should not be too easy to do).
You can. If you throw the scythe, it'll continually do damage while on contact with the skull then the orbs are gone. If you time it just right, you can knock about 4 bars off. Plus each hit with the whip itself takes 2 bars off (unless there's a bug) if you took the upgrade in the previous room.
>It would be great if orbs react somehow when the scythe hits them
Good idea. Will definitely note.
>Having some of the torches on the road give you HP instead of MP could be helpful too.
I'm trying to avoid HP pickups other than hidden refills. If it comes to it, I'll add minor HP pickups but I'm definitely trying to avoid it.
>Are you supossed to be able to hit any torch in the start room besides the 2 on top of the platform?
Nah. They're just there to show that you can jump down and it won't kill you.
>The font works fine for me, but I may have it installed, what's its name?
The font is "Press Start 2P"
>No lag from the shader on my toaster.
Good to hear!
Thank you again anon! I really appreciate it.

>>162791214
Thanks for the input.
>I think that when you attack since the whip curls from the top it should it shots coming near your head
The hitbox is only active when the whip is extended since a floppy whip wouldn't really do much damage I think.
>Also how are you supposed to beat this without taking damage?
Not a single clue. I can barely beat it myself but I also suck at my own game.

>>162791229
It's WebGL, so it's very portable, I can put it on Mega if you want to check it for yourself.
I'll add a few annotations.

>>162790793
if ur useing gm then just do like

if(close enough to tornado) motion_add(direction to tornado, le suckerino speed)

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>>162791560

Sorry, pic.

>>162791174
PS1 Spyro games were some of the first games to use LOD models, it's how they managed to make fairly large looking levels despite the limitations of the system. The distant land model was simpler and used only vertex color, no texture.

I should make Snowboard Kids 3

>>162791635
I've literally tried about a hundred times now and only made it to the stage where 2 blocks fall two times. What the fuck this is so goddamn annoying!
How much is this supposed to be like the NES game? I never played the NES castlevania so I don't want to rip on your game if it is supposed to be a clone.
I keep trying to change my direction in the air but I can't.
Also make sure the enemy projectiles are on the very top layer of objects,, I don't know if the sickle object covers them sometimes?

>>162791642
I honestly wouldn't know enough to help, but maybe someone else would

>>162782403
>making a game without interfaces

>>162792325
fuck it i'm done trying

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Got a functional rank system. Allied enemies will stop you if you try entering restricted areas unless you're of an equal or greater rank. There'll be little icons to show soldier status.

>>162792346
I might as well post it in this thread then, I think a lot of people know what's wrong if the camera seems to orbit when it should rotate.

https://mega.nz/#!MgdC0S5Y!Ef4ggzU18yX0JeTFrSY9xIsv6BB5crYypYQettlCmyk

>>162792325
Thanks for the input, anon!
>What the fuck this is so goddamn annoying!
Thanks!
>How much is this supposed to be like the NES game? I never played the NES castlevania so I don't want to rip on your game if it is supposed to be a clone.
If you've never played NES Castlevania, I can definitely see how you're definitely not used to this kind of play. Classicvania is a different beast than a lot of games
>I keep trying to change my direction in the air but I can't.
Once you jump, you're committed to it. If you're not used to it, I can see it being frustrating to get the hang of.
>Also make sure the enemy projectiles are on the very top layer of objects,, I don't know if the sickle object covers them sometimes?
Good idea. I'll double check that they're on the top. Scythe destroys the projectiles so no need to worry about that.

>>162792685
Thanks for playing!

>>162792487
Polymorphism is great but it's hardly an object-oriented-only concept. In fact OOP only deals with subtype polymorphism whereas parametric and ad-hoc polymorphism are generally much more powerful and better-behaved.

>>162792753
Neat. But which game is this for?

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The ship now has internal guns.

I'm skipping some steps currently with the way the guns are fired because I'm just using a direct keybind to fire them versus having them go through the ship's input and all that. At some point in the near future I'm going to need to spin off all weapons management into its own fire control component. Right now, the stores management is firing the missiles, but that's not really the component that should be doing that.

As before, I'm going to need bigger explosions.

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trying to fix midi support

>>162793694
No reason to turn your nose up at classes, which are still great for game related programming, like ECSs. And neither are supported by C.

>>162794465
ECS is totally non-OOP. The point is you're breaking the entity into lots of little, open pieces that are driven externally so that they can work together.

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woosh

>>162792016
>>162791560
>>162792067
Nice!

How would I go about exporting vertex coloring to a game engine like Unity, though?
Do you save it to an image file or something else?

can somebody help me with a coding problem? unity crashes every time I try to access the sizes class variable, it is a read only array of floats that get their value from another array of floats

public float[] size_factors=new float[4]{.8f,.6f,.4f,.2f};
private float size_range=.7f;
private float size_base = .3f;
public float[] sizes {
get {
float[] temparray=new float[size_factors.Length];
for (int i = 0; i < sizes.Length; i++) {
temparray [i] = size * (size_factors [i] * size_range + size_base);
}
return temparray;
}
}

am I retarded and can't even do this in unity or what

>>162789427
what is the black stuff?

>>162795124
Looks like it's just ambient occlusion.

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>>162794082
Noticed after recording the webm that the projectiles weren't inheriting the ship velocity correctly. It makes aiming a little weirder when that's not there, and it was a bug in the code that was preventing it from happening. That's fixed now so that when you fly sideways and fire, your shots still go forwards relative to you.

I also increased the size of the little hit effect. Automatic convergence would be a nice thing to add to the guns, but there's no good way to do that right now.

I'm really putting off a proper fire control at this point though, and it's holding back stuff I'd like to implement. I can't for example, selectively fire different types of missiles if I had any, and something needs to be managing that. The same goes for the guns. If I want to do convergence, the ship needs to be communicating to the guns correctly in the first place.

>>162794740
I don't know about Unity specifically. But vertex colors are saved with the model itself, it's not a separate file. The color can then be used in whatever way by a shader. You can use the color itself to color the model, or multiply it with a diffuse texture to create a shadow effect, or use it as a mask to fade between textures. Whatever your heart desires.

>>162795368
Why do you fucks still call it a vertex colour? It's just a generic attribute. Do these engines not let you have more than one because it's expected to be the vertex colour?

>>162795034
>public float[] sizes { get { (...) sizes.Length
Sounds like an icky thing to do. I'm too tired to go back to the whole .net but I don't think he can assures anything about sizes in the block at this point.

>>162795439
What?
It's called vertex color, it's painted as color on the model. Do any file types support multiple different vertex colors?

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Ohayou-anon here again. Started working on the templates to make the ohayous faster and probably way more polished. Even got the idea that it eventually could become some sort of ohayou-maker app, at least for the main figure, since people would probably have to draw the details anyway.
Can someone post a list of all the pending ohayou requests? I kinda lost track of them and don't want to miss anybody.

does anyone have experience moving a huge number of unity gameobjects per frame, each with simple AI? Say 1000 to 10,000?

My plan is to use Rigidbody.MovePosition every fixedupdate to avoid the cost of running phyics. Is there another way to reduce the cost?

>>162795558
Are there formats besides shitty fucking OBJ that don't support arbitrary vertex attributes? Why do engines use fucking shit like FBX instead of Collada or something, anyways.

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>>162792791
trippy as shit man

I bumped up the distances and made stuff a little bigger and zeroed out the camera position displacement just for giggles. It looks like the matrices do need some work.

If I really wanted to understand this I'd have to mess with it for a long time, but don't give up on it. It makes me want to go study the quake engine.

>>162795485
ya that was definately wrong but I fixed it and it is still crashing.

>>162793694
Polymorphism in all forms was invented by OOP and is part of it.

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Thanks for everyone's feedback! Here's the changes I've made.

* Reversed the fireball's orbit direction so that they're a little easier to hit with the scythe (move into the scythe rather than away from it).
* Added color coordination. Red is 3 hp, purple is 2 hp, blue is 1 hp. Also made the projectiles match but I'm honestly not sure if different colored projectiles helps or hinders visibility.
* Even though nobody mentioned it, I tweaked damage numbers. The projectiles now only take away 1 bar of health rather than 2. However now the fireball enemies take 2 bars of health where before they only knocked you back.

>>162795843
Holy shit you can't be this brainwashed.

>>162795720
What do you mean by "zeroed out the camera position displacement"?
Because that actually looks like it's behaving somewhat properly now.

>>162795485
>>162795829
alright I fixed it after going back through looking for stupid shit like that, I had the same basic variable 5 times in the class and each one I fucked up somewhere differently, one time I tried to assign to sizes instead of temparray.

Thank you so much for the fresh set of eyes, saved my night.

>>162795856
Great, can't way to play it again.
I'm glad I could help.

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>>162795689
In my floating origin tests I've been moving 2000 cube asteroid rigidbodies, plus however many particles are currently in the world. Takes me about 5.5 ms according to the profiler, but that's also not something I'm doing every frame.

>>162795689
relying on physx might be more efficient

You could do something crazy like running through the list in a coroutine, and only change its velocity. Like every object's velocity/stuff is only updated once a second or more, but since its staggered it might not be noticeable in a big crowd or by themselves. The physics system would handle the movement in between updates. just a weird thought

>>162795920
random shit really:
in createCamera, I just got rid of the else{} part, so the top part that doesn't touch the displacement always runs. In the createcamera call in initialize3ddemo(), i also changed far to 200, scale to 5, and perspective to 2, just random tweaks. Your camera appears to start upside-down as well. apart from boosting the size of the tetrahedrons/ocean by a factor of 10, I also uncommented the object z position and forced all the objects downwards 10 and started the camera up on the Z by 5, so its all below you.

>>162794598
"Totally non-OOP" does not mean totally class-free. You don't have to, but it's sure convenient and adds flexibility if you use a base class for your components. And I personally wouldn't call most ECSs non-OOp but there are as many definition of OOP as there are programmers.

>>162796409
That sounds like a recipe for disaster, there's absolutely nothing in common between components if you do it properly and just make them data, except maybe a serialization method or something.

>>162796409
>>162794598
I'm a faggot reared on OOP concepts. Don't worry, I'm an artist not a programmer

What exactly is non-OOP programming even like?

>>162796480
You need to use inheritance to have a serialization method that works on all of them.

>Unity
>Blender
>Photoshop
>Sublime3/NP++

With the following downloaded, documentation open in chrome. Is this all I would need to make a start?

6am and about to head to work but this weekend I want to start a project after lurking for so long. Only thing hindering me is I software dev for my day job and when i get home I am usually pretty burnt out.

>>162796505
Liberating.

>>162796535
Subtyping is not inheritance. Ad hoc polymorphism is not inheritance. Theoretically you don't even need an interface at all because you don't need to be able to say "for all components" since you don't store them together needlessly.

>>162796636
Right, good OOP uses inheritance, not subtyping. The goal is code reuse and encapsulation. ECS is just good OOP.

>>162796505
It's like rowing a boat and convincing yourself you're superior to the people using sails and motors.

>>162796769
>ECS
>inheritance or encapsulation

>inheritance, not subtyping
>when inheritance necessarily requires subtyping
Is this bait?

>>162796812
Except these so-analogized "sails" and "motors" (read: OOP) have no real evidence backing that they're any better for what they cost. It's a massive delusion. All the evidence points to not-OOP (procedural, functional, etc.) being much more productive and efficient. JLMG, don't waste your time shoehorning your game into classes and objects.

>>162796310
Well, now I see that doing all that just minimises the camera issues rather than removes them.
Also, that part of createCamera you removed doesn't change anything for that demo, it's really just for attaching the camera to an object; although it probably doesn't work properly and won't change the camera's position as the object rotates, if the camera is displaced from the object.

Now I just noticed why stuff was rendering in front of the plane when it should be rendering behind; because it's actually happening to everything.
I assumed that the issue was that I had my zPositions backwards, but it seems that sometimes things render in the right order and sometimes they don't depending on the camera angle.
The normal code means I can see things through the plane at steep angles.
Reversing the zPositions means I can see things through the plane at shallow angles.

>>162796204
>>162796310
thanks guys!

i'm running 1500 objects, all moving on fixedupdate, and it's taking 10ms for the whole frame. i don't know if i even need more than that for the game design

/OOP/board:vg;
/ECS/board:vg;

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How were the graphics made in games like Dodonpachi, or Crimzon Clover?

Were they done in 3d and then captured from different angles and used as sprites, or were they just hand drawn like regular sprites?

>>162797739
>wah wah engies ree

>its an autist refuses to make a virtual function call episode

>>162797739
>implying it matters when everyone is just role playing as someone who will actually finish a game

>>162795714
Probably because Collada is primarily used for movies and not video games.

>>162798293
So? Collada is a better interchange format than FBX. When the game is shipped all the geometry should be stored so that it can basically be read straight into memory anyways (i.e. specific to engine, game, use case) so it doesn't matter if FBX is theoretically more efficient or whatever.

>>162797723
yea I was trying and failing to pinpoint why the objects peeked through at different angles

fascinating stuff though, It really makes me appreciate using Unity where any scary matrices are hidden deep in shader code.

good luck on it, and post here every once in a while.

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>>162721662
>Have you tried spawning obstacles in clusters/ small fixed patterns?
Oops.

>>162796960
>All the evidence points to not-OOP (procedural, functional, etc.) being much more productive and efficient

t. Hipster who fell for the Haskell meme

>>162785596
Sorry Helleton. Actually, all of these
>>162787867
>>162788483
>>162790462
are invalid. Somehow the game seems to randomly switch between running at 30 and 60 fps. I can't figure out why it's happening. But obviously it's much easier to play at 30.

>>162798696
nightmare mode activated

>>162798696
get a heatmap/path of the last N times you played the level

and spawn obstacles on that path

>>162799107
>Sorry Helleton. Actually, all of these are invalid.
How so?
>Somehow the game seems to randomly switch between running at 30 and 60 fps. I can't figure out why it's happening. But obviously it's much easier to play at 30.
That's not good! That's never happened to me except when recording with fraps. It might be the game's VSync enabled... maybe??? If you would like, there's a config file in "C:\Users\YourUser\AppData\Local\Not_Castlevania\config.ini" try disabling the vsync option there and see if that fixes your problem.
and my framerate dependent secret is now out. im so sorry ;-;

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>searching for some vidya dev inspiration on google image search
>these fucking faces
lol reminds me of the Death on Frontier dudes

>>162796960
Design patterns like MVVM lend themselves to OOP very nicely. OOP is easier for maintaining large code bases. In today's world, computer performance isn't as much an issue as it used to be. The #1 driving cost of development is code maintenance. OOP makes this easier, especially with large teams.

-t lead developer for a major aircraft corporation.

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Finished walking animation, may fix the jumps later. Hows it?

>>162800001
why does he have clothes

>>162800057
Wait i will fix that for you

>>162800001
>animation for ants
also, hard to tell if the bouncing would be super annoying or fine

there are things that come up with walk animations that you can only really tell when it's slapped into the game and moving about

>>162784204
I'm in your boots. All I know is that there's this girl in a green sweater who has became this mascot of the drama or something, but I missed the whole point. Even when I try to find out what happened I find nothing. There was some girl who got pissed for some reason or something, but it doesn't make any sense to me.

So, yeah, if someone could sum it up in a few words, I would be really thankful!

>>162790167
this style is awesome more pls

>>162790167
I like your progress. Keep it up!

>>162789427
fuck your maps are already better than mine in one day

post more I need to learn

Once I finally finish my basic game functions and get my artstyle worked out, /agdg/ will shower me with praise!

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>>162800151
It kinda doesnt fit when put into motion so im reluctant to post

>>162800057
>pic

>>162795686
I'm not aware of any pending list, and as I see there's not much characters left.

I'm not the dev, but I would still like to see one for Ctesiphon.

Thanks for doing this!

>>162800181
basically this girl gave out free fucks in order to get good reviews. on uncovering this, some autists took things a little too far and started doxxing people, thus giving the media a chance to bail out the journalists by focusing attention on the autists by labelling them as sexist internet rapists

or something

>>162799510
Because the boss at half speed was much easier.
I still think you've got the difficulty's fine, though.
Disabling Vsync seems to have worked.

>>162800363
good walk cycle for a sissy lala homo boy! did you try other stride lengths before choosing that one, though? it could be better a bit longer

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>>162790167
The damage on the sword looks like it's for the wrong material or something.

Pic unrelated, it's a real sword.

>>162800434
>Because the boss at half speed was much easier.
Agreed, since it's easier to hit the fireballs. I'm not sure what to do about that though.
>Disabling Vsync seems to have worked.
Good to hear. I'm not pleased that VSync seems to do that, especially since there's visible tearing without it.

>>162800481
Yeah i tried, didnt work very well because im not used to this. I just pick the better and polished until it wasnt that bad
but hey thanks!

>>162778249
I think you misunderstood my question.

I would like to know how do you check if a level, made by a player, is actually doable.

You said that you have some sort of method for checking if a level, made by a player, is doable or not without asking the player to ever play it. Or maybe I have misunderstood you?

>>162800382
Will work on Ctesiphon as soon a I finish Helleton then.

>>162795686
check the replies to >>162720854

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>>162795686
do this

>>162799820
>Design patterns like MVVM lend themselves to OOP very nicely.
MVVM, like many other patterns and architectures, is a solution to problems you invent yourself by using OOP.

>In today's world, computer performance isn't as much an issue as it used to be.
>saying this in the context of game development

>The #1 driving cost of development is code maintenance.
Which is why OOP is shit. It produces brittle code that you cannot reasonably follow.

>OOP makes this easier, especially with large teams.
>OOP is easier for maintaining large code bases.
Because you need to protect shitty code monkeys from themselves and each other, sure.

>>162801236
Thanks added the ones I was missing to my bucket list.
Someone else made Whimp and Necro already and did a great job on them, though.

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The Blackjack minigame is complete. Moving on to Slot Machine tomorrow.

>>162801453
does this have porn

>>162801512
Yes, actually. Although not this particular character.

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>>162782741
How does this work?

>>162797724
Is there somewhere other than here to follow your progress, you are one of the two game devs I'd want to follow the progress of.

>>162801994
is my typing style that obvious
and did you mean to quote me?

>>162782741
Is this a Hannah and the Pirate Caves clone? Please tell me it is.

>>162801453
I missed you anon, but no homo. Keep up the good work.

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>>162801990
One way I can think of doing this is splitting up the level into rows that are divided by solid tiles. The water is done per-row-division. The wider, the slower it fills. If a row doesn't have all solid or water underneath, it doesn't fill, and the water trickles down.

>>162782741
I got a weird erection from that webm.

>>162801453
>super crisp everything
>blurry cards
okay

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ded. end of fight.

looks like there's an obscene amount of screen shake but that's only because the screen shakes when he's enraged but since i started him at low health he enrages right before death

>>162802231
Thank ye.
>>162802594
The backs are certainly a problem. I'm keeping the faces though, I like the idea of them being instantly recognizable.

>>162802909
maybe you could draw the faces though so they match the crisp art? you can still keep them recognizable without having them look like jpegs

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>>162794245


okay so so far today i have gone from this from last night:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1qEutrd8CrG

to this just now:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1CBkI7mw9NM

so that is some improvements

>>162802313
that seems like it would slow down the game if there were say a staircase

>>162802787
Darken the skull to fit the style of everything else.

>>162802968
I could try it. It'll probably look shit though.

>>162803274
no thanks. contrast is important for bosses.

What does memepoly look like

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>>162803990

Why are devs such faggots? Why do they even bother starting team projects if they can't even finish?

>some guy looking for an artist for his game
>his game looks cool so decide to join
>spend two weeks by making hard for the game
>we communicate via skype almost every day and talk all the time about the shit we want in the game
>finish my art work after the two weeks and send it to him
>can't wait to see it in the game
>check the skype the next day
>he didn't come online the entire day
>the next day as well
>it has been over a month now and he hasn't been online once, he is completely fucking dead, doesn't reply to emails also
>i just waste two weeks of hard work for nothing
fucking faggot this is the last time i tried to team up

>>162804423
That sucks man, I just had the reverse happen to me (I'm a programmer, he was an artist).

You should share some of that art here

What engine can I use too make a rougelike ?

>>162803245
In that case you would either approximate with a slope or just treat it as an empty tile for the sake of the water. Not that it would be inefficient in the first place, but more to just keep things simple.

Can you think of a better way..?

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Is this memepoly?

>>162804423
Protip: Only work with people who have finished games before.

I hit that stage where I realized my project is out of scope, going to make Don't Starve clone, wish me luck famalams

[/spoiler]plzp

>>162804681
fuck put spoilers in the wrong order, can't do anything right

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>>162804553
Godot

>>162804553
Any. In theory even Diablo is a rogue like, so if you want to go 3D, you can even use Unreal or Unity. But from the 3 rogue likes I've seen on /agdg/, the stats are the following:

1 Game Maker
2 Custom engine (SDL2 with OpenGL, Monogame)

>>162804681
>my project has scoping issues
>i know ill make a game with an even bigger scope!

anon...

>>162805110
>In theory even Diablo is a rogue like
nigga what?

>>162805118
don't starve started out small scope tho, and got huge. it required something like early access to keep players in it

if you release a dont starve now, you're competing with the real thing, and the huge scope it has

>>162805227
And you're competing with the hundreds of don't starve clones, and the thousands of "indie-crafting-survival" games in general
It's not a good market to make money

>>162805215
>randomly generated levels
>you only see what's around you
>you only know about the discovered parts of the dungeon
etc.

It meant to be a 3D rogue like, even if the ARPG aspect hides it really well.

http://www.graybeardgames.com/download/diablo_pitch.pdf

>>162805227
Procedural generation is the great equaliser.
Done well, it can rival manually produced content.

I for one would like to see a survival game where there is evolving slime which is akin to very elaborate cellular automata, and as slime takes heavy damage through any means its genetics get scrambled which makes the death of slime matter a lot more entertaining to watch not to mention that some actually viable mutations might occur.

So it'd get gradually harder as time goes on.

>>162804556
no slope approximation sounds good

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Is there anything genuinely wrong with blueprints? Besides efficiency and personal preference.

>>162805640
>Done well, it can rival manually produced content.
Has it ever been done well enough that it hasn't been instantly recognizable as proc gen?

>>162805759
google "no mans sky"

>>162805741
Efficiency is kinda important, as things get complicated.

>>162805741
How do you even do it. I can't use blueprints. I can only get work done if I write it out. I can't draw it out.

>>162805118
>i know ill make a game with an even bigger scope!

It honestly doesn't have that big of scope.

The big thing is multiplayer/proc gen.

From there the surival mechanics can literally be implemented in a day.

From there is content filler, Don't starve has a total of what, 100 items across food/structures/weapons/armor.

Programmed correctly, this isn't that large. Now getting the art sounds and all willl be bigger.

>>162805627
>>162805627
>competing with the hundreds of don't starve clones
I haven't seen any

>>162805759
I only found out how enemy ship loadouts were chosen in Ring Runner when I saw the code.

But yeah, it's usually instantly recognisable when something isn't predetermined.

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>>162805909
Procedurally generated survival games are a dime a dozen though.

What needs to be done is one with really interesting procedural generation.

Doing interesting procedural generation is a lot like writing shader code actually, here's a Terraria map I made with shader code.

>>162773587

>>162791252
the great lie of AGDG. if he has no aptitude and dedication for the creation of graphical art what makes you think when he focuses on the art of game design he will be any better? it's all art in the end.

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>>162805759
Other than the association between ASCII and procgen...

>>162806021
That's interesting but even that would get dull after a while. What you need is variety, not the same crazy thing all over. You need things that could have stories behind them.

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>>162806108
I actually talk to this guy a bit, it's seriously shaping up to be the greatest roguelike ever, high hopes for the guy.

Heres a city that gets gen'd too

>>162806021
What type of world would lead to interesting proc gen?

A shell world (multi-layered) with natives?

A ring world?

A hollow planet?

>>162806340
That looks so artificial. Also way too big for a game, that's insane.

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>>162806275
a procedural generator that makes procedural geneators that make game environments that neural networks explore in order to have holy experiences, causing the ais to open unity and create a procedural generator that makes procedural geneators that make game environments that neural networks explore in order to have holy experiences, causing the ais to open unity and create a procedural generator that makes procedural geneators that make game environments that neural networks explore in order to have holy experiences, causing the ais to open unity and create a procedural generator that makes procedural geneators that make game environments that neural networks explore in order to have holy experiences, causing the ais to open unity and create a procedural generator that makes procedural geneators that make game environments that neural networks explore in order to have holy experiences, causing the ais to open unity and create

>>162806396
You can walk inside every one of those buildings too, even have reasonable layouts of furniture and the like

>>162806340
Good procedural generation has unpredictability, and that can come from a very volatile means of procedural generation.

Speaking of which, I want to test something...

>>162806531
Exactly. What's the point? 5-house "cities" are one thing but doing shit like this doesn't help.

>>162805640
These proc gen posts made me think.

They always sell proc gen with the "never ending adventure" slogan. Yet, maybe it's just me, but these are the kind of games which gets boring the fastest. I could only run through the Diablo games once. Binding of Isaac only got hooked me for 2-3 days. The fact is, there's always a pattern which you will learn after a while, and after that point, proc gen is just an annoyance. Like I know I have to go point X, but I have to do 10 minutes of "whimsical random adventure and exploring" before getting there.

Again: maybe it's just me, but games where there's a given challenge has a bigger replay value for me, because it's just fun to find different ways of solving a given situation. There are two parts of game play, basically: one is the regular railroad, and the other is when you start to go off road, find hidden rooms, alternate routes etc. There is exploration if you want, but since it's up to the player when he wants to explore, it's magic won't wear off. While in a random game, where you constantly exploring, it's wonder will go away and will just stay as a regular road between two checkpoints.

Same for game making: to be really honest, when I want to go with randomly generated levels, deep down I'm just lazy to experiment with level design ideas.

>>162806816
>Again: maybe it's just me, but games where there's a given challenge has a bigger replay value for me, because it's just fun to find different ways of solving a given situation. There are two parts of game play, basically: one is the regular railroad, and the other is when you start to go off road, find hidden rooms, alternate routes etc. There is exploration if you want, but since it's up to the player when he wants to explore, it's magic won't wear off. While in a random game, where you constantly exploring, it's wonder will go away and will just stay as a regular road between two checkpoints.
There's no reason at all you can't do this with procedural generation.

What would be the best way to do hit detection in a range in Unity? I'd like an attack to cover a 30 degree arc, but not sure what approach I should take. The easiest would be with a rigidbody swinging through there, but there's no rigidbodies elsewhere so far. I'm thinking maybe a bunch of raycasts sweeping between the start and endpoint?

>>162805884
I actually find it makes more sense to me to draw it out. I can "see" the flow and what is happening easier. I mean I did study code in university but that was years ago and I've lost all that knowledge. That and I dropped out around the time we hit classes and references and things like that.

I just remember my frustration with pointer being so great I don't know why I'd ever deal with it again if I can just drag out blueprints. That and no chance of slipping up with one or two lines and fucking it up, requiring ages of problem hunting.

>>162806816
in Whip the Vote i procedurally, but not randomly, generate the npc creation and somewhat use it in the selection of Bills, so that the further away you get from the start of the game the more changes the playthrough will incur. stable repeatable play in the early game for learning, big changes further in so it can be constantly throwing new situations at you into infinity.

>Want to compose my own music for my own game
>Know nothing about Music
Life is hard. All I know how to do is draw not absolutely horribly and I have an idea I'm passionate about.

>>162807209
>not randomly
Do you mean it's chaotic but ultimately deterministic? Or do you think it can only be called "random generation" if it's incoherent noise?

>>162805759
Dorf. But knowing Toady, he might be cheating by actually creating a real universe and simply bringing in a representation of it to the mortal plane.

I know my opinion doesn't matter but I think the only good procedural generation at least has a core set of hand crafted tiles. Procedural generation without always just looks like some kid played with some fucking playdoh. Everything looks retarded.

>>162804138
swollen wojak ?

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>>162802787
>using knifes instread of the scythe
The absolute madman.

Love how the skull breaks when you kill it.
But I kinda second >>162803274.
Don't darken everything, only the shadows and lines should be darker, in the same way they are on the main character. Pic related.

>>162807395
In practice most procedural generation is fucking awful. Either it's amorphous blobs or obvious handcrafted, repetitive tiles. Very little ambition except for basically just Dwarf Fortress and Ultima Ratio Regum.

>>162806816
I might be misusing the term, but I think FTL had procedurally generated encounter design. Something visual we're adept at figuring out the pattern, but when its something more abstract like how an oxygen system interacts with the missile reload time.. Every encounter is different, and its not hand-crafted, though certainly its tuned, but I think procedural can be fine if its not in a form thats easily identifiable

>>162807382
it's pretty simple mate, random means that youre using random number generator, that if the player does the same actions it wont lead to the same results.

>>162807469
I liked how xcom 2 did it but I'm not sure to the extent it was actually procedural. By that I mean I understand they were hand crafted tiles slotted together, but I'm wondering how many maps were just set pieces, and how many tiles they had, and so on, because there was a fair amount of repetition.

But if you're doing procedural generation with some hand crafted elements, like lets say they did that in Nu Male's Sky, you could have things like waterfalls (with dozens of slight variations), actual forests, lakes that don't look like the first lakes I made in wc3 editor, etc, and space inbetween filled with procedurally generated content. I mean obviously if you played it for hundreds of hours you'd recognize things but I think for the average player that would make unique experiences.

>>162807584
That's what you call emergent gameplay, though it, procedural design, and random design are all kind of in the same boat. Systems vs. content.

>>162807606
So it's chaotic.

what do you guys think about daz3d

>>162807671
"chaotic" is a general word that can be used for either.

>>162807671
Disagree, emergent gameplay is about the player coming up with things the developers didn't intend

>>162808087
Nope, emergent can very well be designed for. Emergent are actions which happen because of the game's rules but not because the actions are the rules themselves.

>>162808087
>>162808359
Emergence is when interacting systems (including the player's actions) produce events that weren't explicitly intended.

Multiplayer is hard

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>>162808580
I'll fite you m8.

You want the player to not grind? Add a hunger clock. Because you don't want to die you'll get what's necessary and move on or take on the risks. That's emergent because you don't implement a system, which detects if the player is grinding, and then despawn the enemies.

>>162808359
>>162808580
>>162808913
So emergent design is like that thing that happened in Half Life 2 where the gunships would shoot down rockets. Neat.

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If I'm using raycasts to set a point for the player to go to, what can I do to prevent them from moving inside an object if it's clicked? I've tried using another raycast sent between the player and the target point to tell if there's anything in the way, but because the player is defined as the centre point it still clips. Then I tried using some maths to fix it, but it only works on perpendicular obstacles.
I also tried using collisions to tell it to stop, but that doesn't work either.

You're a big dev

>>162809521
thank you!

>>162809521
too big to fail

>>162805741
No

>>162808765
Hardest part of it is balacing, and lag masking when working with onlne multiplayer

>>162809181
if the raycast hits something, get the distance between the cast and end point, minus the player's width, and move the player that amount

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>>162809786
Problem is that it needs to be more than the width sometimes.

>>162810032
spherecast

>>162809693
>balancing
>lag masking
youve designed the game wrong if these are even issues, the hardest part of online multiplayer is getting players and getting them to play at the same time.

>>162810117
Googs the only multiplayer game you've ever made was a rock paper scissors sim, what do you know about balance or lag masking

>>162810202
>youve designed the game wrong if these are even issues
>what do you know about balance or lag masking
exactly

>>162810254
So nothing? Got it.
Of course there's no lag to mask if nobody is playing.

>>162810341
roasted

>>162810117
>youve designed the game wrong if these are even issues, the hardest part of online multiplayer is getting players and getting them to play at the same time.

I really hope gogem isn't just a single dev, but a group of retards who put up this name every time they post