/pg/ - Persona General

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>Anne is sweaty!
>Anne is buxom!
>Anne is beautiful!
>Anne is wet!
>Anne is cute!
>Anne is flexible!
>Anne is an angel!
>Anne is lewd!
>Anne is sad!
>Anne is silly!
>Anne is for kisses!
>Anne is stylish!
>Anne is for sexual!
>Anne is awesome!
>Anne is sultry!
>Anne is pure!
>Anne is amused!
>Anne is quality!
>Anne is Lovers!
>Anne is canon!
>Anne is an actress!
>Anne is a model!
>Anne is best girl!

Anal with Makoto!

Anne would browse /pol/ if she was real.

>>162753992
Nah, that's Fuuka. Anne would browse /soc/ and /fa/

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What went wrong for Persona 5?

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taste the neet pussy

>>162754272
Go on.

>>162754272
Vagina is gross.

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>>162753605
No.

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>>162754395
okay

>>162754225
>that nosedive between, I assume, P4 anime and P4G/Arena
what the fuck happened

also,now do that in Japanese

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I want to fluster an autistic fox!

>>162747675 #
He was berserking people with Loki for sevetal years. It's his starter, dumbass.
Robin Hood is his second persona.

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>>162754630
it's not looking good for Persona 5

>4 days until the end of the festival
>still nothing to look forward to
>SMT team teases a new project
>P-Team is doing nothing

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Ryuji and Ann Best Ship!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_idpDbwNhA

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>>162757379
>not available in your country

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>>162757985
>I wanted to post 風に吹かれて, but the only streaming Kaoru song I could find was きっと明日は･･･

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>>162756587

>>162758373
kek

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>>162758373
Havent even played the game yet, but Im already mad

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Post Aigis!

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>>162760150

Phantom is from Sumaru City!

>>162758373
>Anne's legs
fucking disgusting

>>162760281
wtf i hate toasters now

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>/pg/ is dead
Snrk..

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>Makoto x Phantom
>Anne x Ryuji
>Futaba x Yusuke
>Haru x Goro

Daily reminder that this is the optimal pairing in P5

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>>162764763
Too busy talking about the new Pokémon movie.

>>162764835
this

>>162764891
They're finally gonna address Ho-oh?

>>162765342
na, it's just a Zoroark fucking around

>>162765342

It's a retelling of the first few episodes of the show.

Which is fucking shocking because for the last few seasons they've avoided acknowledging the past of the show like the plague.

>>162765446
I like how Gamefreak tried so hard to make that furshit into the next Lucario but failed miserably.

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>>162762889
>>162760281

>>162765691
they weren't trying at all though. You couldn't get Zorua or Zoroark in BW unless you had a Celebi or shiny Suicune/Entei/Raiku from an event, and their ability that was so unique and hyped by the movie was pretty much killed by team previews they introduced in the same generation. They pretty much sabotaged it.
>imported japanese BW because I was an impatient fuck
>loved Zorua/Zoroark, not for furry reasons, just really liked their designs
>can't wait to use it on my team
>"don't have 2 consoles to transfer that celebi from gen IV? well, you are out of luck"
>"did you go to see the movie in Japan? no? lol go fuck youreslf"
Yeah, no shit it failed. Then gen VI showed up and they had a town with a fucking statue of Lucario and gave one away for free as a part of the story.

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>>162766880
>loved Zorua/Zoroark, not for furry reasons

Anon, we're all friends here.

>official manga has a line of akira thinking in kansai-ben.. so cute.. I want him to talk like that all the time
B-but Sumaru City is Yokohama, so Kanto region, not Kansai.
good thing adaptations are not canon
>>162767523
It really wasn't for furry reasons. I just liked the kabuki and kitsune motif.

>>162768224
>Kanto region

Persona 1 OVA confirmed.

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https://twitter.com/chitosebitch5/status/807965076778954753

Why are nips so fuckin weird

>>162769179
You tell me, Earthworm Joe.

>>162769179
>morgana
not really feelin it but i guess none of the others would fit better

>>162769179
I like this guy

>>162760150
no u.

>>162755368
It's bigger than P4 during its release.

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>>162772295
anon, that's not excactly difficult.
I feel like a lot of people really underestimate how small Persona was back then.

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>>162754563

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>>162769179

>>162772573
>>162772852
You're but a shadow of the original forehead anon!

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>yfw the DNA test came out and Shidou is your legitemate father.

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>>162773229

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>>162755368
You have to compare the Japanese name since the game isn't out in the West.
Though interest has surely dropped from the reveal trailer back in Feb 2015 as most of the Hardcore Fans got the JP version.

>>162773229
Shouldn't Goro be smiling since he found out his siblings?

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WILL YOU COOPERATE WITH ME?

>>162775101
Not with that JoJo face

>>162775176
Is this a jojo reference?

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Persona Q isn't a bad game.

>>162775101
I am not going to be your subservient puppet

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>>162775308
Here's a (You)

>>162775101
Maybe Yusuke has the biggest fivehead of them all

>>162775308
It's easy to break but it's fun. Except for 4th dungeon, fuck that one.

>>162775308
it's not a particularly great game either

>>162775308
Literally fanfic-tier game

>>162775308
it also isn't canon

>>162775782
I wish they'd make my fanfic into a game

>>162776038
If Goro is the protagonist in P5-2/Crimson, he will placed right on the most corner of left-bottom.

>>162776050
Post it

>>162776038
>Catch-22

>>162776038
Is this even accurate?

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First Goro x Makoto fanart I've seen.

>>162776038
>Tatsuya in rewarded
Reeeeeee

>>162776230
No

>>162776038
Stop changing the chart you fucking autist

>>162776038
Why is Tatsuya so high up on this one?

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>>162776038
>Rewarded
>Tatsuya

>>162776242
Goro x Haru or Goro x Makoto?

>>162776230
What would Malcom, Reese, Dewey and Francis arcanas be?

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If you're gonna post the autism chart then at least post the original

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>>162776507

>>162776230
It's extremely accurate and created with real science

>>162776228
>Catch-22
desu, I've never seen anyone explain that in a way that would make sense considering everyone's positions

>>162776507
Potter didn't even die

reeee

>>162775665
great OST though.

>>162776554
DELET

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>>162776486
All together in a threesome.

>>162776661
you realized that these are edits with everyone switched around right

>>162776554
>>162776507
I hate you guys

>>162776838
Good. Joker doesn't have canon lover anyway and his true bond is always with Morgana. So true optimal pairing will be :
>Ryuji x Anne
>Yusuke x Futaba
>Makoto x Goro x Haru

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>>162776838

>>162776856
Before people started doing that. Back when it was fresh and people tried to make sense out of it.

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This artist draws the closest thing to a power bottom Joker I've seen.

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>>162777270
>implying Joker didn't go into a foursome with Morgana, Yusuke and Futaba

>>162777478
they obv meant it in a vague sort of victim of circumstance way even though thats not what a catch 22 is. you're not gonna get a clean answer that makes it all fit because its just a badly thought out chart at its core, that's what got it reposted so much after all

>>162777760
I want to see Futaba get fucked in every hole!

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>>162776486
GoroxHaru. I like those dark fanarts I've seen of them.

>>162778043
Then come to my house

>>162778165
This is a trap

Makoto x Tails is my legit OTP

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>>162778143

>>162778165
Sure, what's your address?

>>162778438
This is also a trap

itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

2 questions, who can be romanced in p5?
and if i want to watch the P4 anime do i watch the 2011 or golden?

>>162778625
you don't want to watch the p4 anime

>>162778438
742 Evergreen Terrace

>>162778438
6935-6943 28th Ave NE, Rugby, ND 58368


Come and watch me fuck your waifu

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>>162778625
only the guy co ops can be romanced in p5. shocking I know.

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>>162778625
>who can be romanced in p5?
Everyone in this pic.

>if i want to watch the P4 anime do i watch the 2011 or golden?
2011. The Golden anime is shit, the 2011 is subpar, but fun and worth a watch if you've played P4 before.

>>162778625
Every female coop except for Sae and lolis
2011, don't even think about watching P4GA

>>162778625
All the female S-Links are fuckable, save for velvet room and plot slinks
Fuck P4 sideways in all forms, but the anime especially

>>162778857
WHATS IN THE CASE

>>162779071
hopes and dreams

>>162779071
lube

>>162778720
>there will never be a Simpsons episode where Homer cucks Marge with Futaba

>>162779071
the true end

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>>162778874

>>162779071
probably just a lot of water now that it's beneath the ocean next to goro's decomposing corpse

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>>162778143
>Dark
>Not liking sweet vanilla romance

>>162779315
hey I finally got foreheaded
I've only posted like 100 haru images before with no luck

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>>162779446

>>162779642
>goro's smile
subtle. I like it

>>162779642
delete this

>>162778369
>Tails
Who

>>162779446
Someone make Goro and Haru vanilla fanfic plis

>>162780110
>Asking /pg/ to make fanfics after the shitshow that was August

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I'll retract what I said about the fanfics if /pg/ stops being dead

>>162782269
never

>>162782269
Learn to cast Samarecarm

>>162778698
then is the p3 movies any better/worth watching?

>>162782782
mahamaon

>>162782797
no they're worse

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>>162777270
>>162764835
Fuck pairing. Just have them all in orgy.

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this kills the ryuji

>>162782797
First movie is okay
Other three, depends on how much you like Aigis
First P4 anime isn't that bad. Not great but ot does it's thing and is pretty fun.
P4GA is the absolute worst thing in the entire franchise, and that's including PxDN.

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>>162783910
there are many things that kill the Ryuji

>>162782269
Who should be /trash/, /his/, /aco/, /wsr/, /vip/, /qst/ and /film/?

>>162784238
>Anne gets the only scenes in the whole series where the protagonist gets intimate without a prompt from the player
>both of them are mouth to mouth related

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Why is Anne so lewd?

>>162784472
The white genes

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>>162783910

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>>162784472
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6iTWaKoZ5U

>>162784472
>took 100 hours to realize that she actually has her hand on Joker's leg when she does this
Atlus put in all the details where they mattered

>>162784472
well she's a panther

>>162784772
But they still cut that one treasure chest opening animation

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>>162784884
Never forget

>>162785028
C E N S O R S H I P

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Punished NEET https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaIsWvYb51Q

>>162785123
Is it me or she really looks like an AV actress

>>162785201
She's a camgirl.

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this kills all other persona girls as they cannot compete.

>>162785123
miring that jawline ngl

We should make Hardin eat a ghost pepper and try to sell us on P5's shitty dub.

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>>162785123
Futaba is ugly, Ugly!

>>162785769
The only thing Yukari can kill is Fuuka

Please don't call me a faggot or tell me to kill myself.

>>162786647
Please neck yourself :)

>>162786736
How?

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What is he thinking about?

What is Fuuka's opinion on the holocaust?

>>162787053
Could be better

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>>162787053
It was justified

>>162787053
Didn't happen but should happen again.

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>>162785769
Please.

>>162787290
Why is she showing her ass to me? Don't she know its rude to do that

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>>162785769

>>162787441
the maids trained her wrong, as a joke

Viewing womyn as sex objects is degeneracy.

>>162787441
*BRRRRAAAARRRPPP*

>>162787510
>ywn be Mitsuru's personal maid and get to peek on her from time to time

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>>162787652
Stop that.

>>162787012
The pleasure of being cummed inside.

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>>162787012

>>162787441
She's presenting.

Next person to shitpost "WASSUP PERSONA" is Futaba.

>>162787509
>yfw Joker has been pounding that ass every night.

>>162787652
sniiiiiiff

>>162787652
>>162788808
what would it smell like

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>>162787012
Making new friends at school

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What is she thinking about?

>>162789010
im asking for a friend haha

>>162789010
burgers

>>162789176
Her forehead is big enough to have a mind of it's own.

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>>162789176

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>>162789176
Haru is an yandere confirmed.

>"Heheh if I make the forehead of an anime girl bigger they'll think I'm hilarious!"
I wonder what Forehead-Anon is doing with his life now.

>>162789686
well it is hilarious

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>>162789686
Forehead anon left a long time ago.

>>162789686
It's not forehead anon, he left to avoid spoilers

>>162789960
What if he played the Japanese version

>>162789960
>>162789931
I know, I don't need to be told twice.

>>162789769
nah not anymore, its just dredging up someone else's old gimmick. forehead anon was right to end the shtick when it reach its shelf-life

>>162790197
na it's still good you're just butthurt

>>162790072
So which one was forehead anon? img.png anon, My Great Capture anon, or Showed Up Late and Totally Clueless anon?

>>162790197
forehead anon would want it to remain forever. You don't know forehead anon like I do!

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>>162790351
Can confirm, I'm not Forehead anon

You'd be surprised how much shit I'm responsible for starting in this fucking general though

>>162790351
>Showed Up Late and Totally Clueless anon
which was this? I thought there were only 2 people that dumped screenshots

>>162790756
Why would you even need a screen capture tool, when remote play PC exist?

>>162790756
Unless you were also the guy posting blurry phonepics of 2goro I'm pretty sure that still takes the cake

>>162790894
he recorded his entire playthrough
and also took forever to finish the game the first time
iirc

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>>162790894
Because the Elgato has a screenshot feature built in, dummy

>>162791035
Wow it's like I have other things in life I have to do besides play Persona 5 and shitpost on /pg/

>>162791103
like what
name ONE thing

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>>162791159
A job so I can buy more copies of Persona 5 and leak more doujins for you horny fucks

>>162790805
He's probably talking about the one that finished the game and thought Makoto was the best physical attacker

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Look at this fuccboi

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>>162791103
He finally gave in to his anemia, how tragic.

>>162784239
Longinus for /his/.

>>162790756
Give me examples, anon. I've been here for a long time and did some stuff.

>>162790756
>mfw I am the PT orgy anon, responsible for starting Sophia meme, and the optimal pairing anon at the same time.

>>162791504
His fashion sense triggers me

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>>162792120
I discovered wodsum and started Makoharu on here, I also feel partially responsible for the forehead meme

>>162792590
>partially responsible for the forehead meme
What did you do?

>>162792379
>mfw I started the word femtom
Feeling like the Wright brothers, man. Motherfucking trailblazers

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>>162791504
In terms of male ass, he only loses to Joker.

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P5A looks great.

>>162754762
translator anon, please

>>162792590
It's only literally you that cares about that pairing.

>>162792379
The Sophia thing is great. Your orgy thing is lacking. You stopped writing scenarios for them.

>>162791504
Too bad he's only got one outfit for Winter and Summer. I wish the DLC give him swimsuit and separate attire for both season.

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>>162792705
Posted a bunch of wodsum art which gave the real Forehead-anon more oppurtunies for photoshops

remove all fujoshits holy shit

>>162792806
Because I'm still looking for a credible profession that has a high chance for breaking into Joker's attic, it's kinda hard you know.

>>162792379
>tfw I created the Hashino pepe and Goro image and the Goropocalypse pictures

>>162793039
You can always have Reiji visit his son. Knife salesmen are credible right?

>>162793039
cable/dish installer? i don't remember what you've already used or not

>>162793181
>tfw I asked you to do it and you did

Feels, amazing man. Thanks.

>>162793039
window washer

>>162792758
I though his arm was actually a gigantic from the thumbnail.

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>>162793039
SAT team

>>162793039
Police officers Katsuya and Akihiko.

when is someone going to compile all the p5 in game cutscenes? they're all more interesting than the anime cutscenes, I need stuff to make more webms

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>>162794235
If I get some time this weekend I'll try to slap one together.

>>162793313
>>162793396
>>162793578
>>162793838
>>162794125
Thanks for the input anons, I already got some good scenario for this.

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Did anyone ever do a big post collage for the Denial of Yuki?

>>162794749
my time is not free so no

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>>162793396
Just checked the pastebin
He's done:
>Regular cafe patron
>Guy invited by the PT
>Rat Exterminator
>Robber
>Roofer
>Traceur
>Handyman

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Hey /pg/! I heard you like Goro!

>>162794512
thanks fampai. you can just do a few at a time so the final file isn't like 10 GBs, doesn't really matter where you start in the game, just any that have funny moments and not just the characters standing around talking.

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Are you going to buy Goro's game, /pg/?

>>162795413
literally cannot wait for him to play goro
its the role of a lifetime, the role he was born to play

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Is he our guy?

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>>162787763
I want a shadow ops spin off game with lots of implied yuri between Mitsuru and her attack helicopter maid from Ultimax.
And Mitsuru x Yukari.
and Mitsuru x Elly.

>>162797652
CAS maid should've been a playable character

Would you play a Dynasty Warriors-style Persona spinoff?

>>162797796
Now that P5 is out I will accept Sly Cooper spinoffs and nothing else

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>>162797796
Would I get to run around as cute girls from the series? then yes.

I only played the fighting games to jump around as the cute girls from the series.

>>162797796
sho muso or bust

>>162797727
So should Maya.
Ultimax is the ultimax in wasted potential.

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>tfw there will never be a Persona where you play as the villain

>>162798267
>What is P3

>>162798267
P4

>>162798267
>he wants to play as the smelly villain that did everything wrong

>>162798267
P2

>>162797727
I can see her use throwing knifes as her weapon.

Atalanta will be her matching Persona though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atalanta

>>162798208
who's that? sounds like some irrelevant old hag

>>162798578
Do you think Chidori is smelly?

Im asking for a Junpei haha

>>162798675
>knives
but she's carrying a pistol already

>>162798745
She smells like blue cheese and used cum rags

>>162798860
But Throwing Knifes are Meido standard weapon.

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>>162799078
name one meido that throws knives.

>>162799174
Me

>>162799174
Maria in Hayate no Gotoku. Also voiced by Mitsuru

>>162799174
Sakuya Izayoi, Felicia and Flora from Fire Emblem

>>162799423
>>162799315
name one GOOD meido that throws knives

>>162799174
>Izayoi Sakuya from Touhou
>Sayoko from Code Geass

>>162799481
My dog, Koromaru

>>162799481
me

>>162799551
alright you got me there

>>162799481
My dog, Fuuka

>>162799651
Natsuki posts on /pg/?

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Stop being dead

Persona 6 will be a horror game.

>>162801680
The P5 dub is already a horror game

>>162802393
DELETE THIS

>>162802393
Stop being entitled and enjoy the shit on the plate you pro-consumer faggot

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>>162802393
[Disrespect for our high quality award winning dubs detected, raid team has been dispatched.]

>>162802393
>Forced to hear cringy dub over and over again.

10/10 GOTY Horror Category from Atlus USA

>>162802581
>Forced

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>>162802554
>>162802465
>>162802435
hehehe, got em

>>162802648
I got you, babe

>Haru's VA can't even pronounce sweet properly in the interview

High quality dubs

Is Goro getting a trailer?

>>162802859
Goro isn't even getting a funeral

>>162802859
After his commercial airs

>>162802859
If they do I sure hope Atlus USA has enough foresight to see people posting spoilers, but then again they seem to live in some weird bubble where no one knows about Persona 5

>>162802978
Seriously. Someone really ought to mention to Hardin on twitter that a Goro trailer is a fucking dumb idea for that exact reason.

>>162802978
Remember the guy that tweeted a pic of Potter "dying" at Hardin and got blocked?

>the reason Haru sympathizes the most with Goro is because she knows how manipulative parents can be
>they both don't have a mother


whoa...........really makes you think..................bravo hashino.

>>162753864
Persona & Demon Akira General

>>162803169
If anything Yusuke is the one that sympathizes with him the most

>>162803223
>Demon Akira
You mean Devilman?

>>162803258
Yusuke's definitely the one most disgusted with Shido's treatment of Goro.

>>162803169
>>162803258
Both Haru and Yusuke seems the most sympathetic to Goro, both of them have parental figure that took advantage them, disregarding their children's well being

>>162803565
How does Haru seem like one of the most? Yusuke and Futaba were the ones that seemed to stick out the most to me(Futaba mostly because of Futaba saying she understands him after his boss fights).

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rip neko

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>>162803681
who did this...?

>>162803774
BRAZZERS.COM

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>>162803774
It was me, /pg/. It was me all along.

should i get p3p or p3Fes?

>>162805592
fes

>>162805592
fes

>>162805592
p3fes

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I quit.

Should I even start P4 or does it have more bullshit like this?

>>162805780
you just need to git gud

>>162805592
FES, then play through the girl route on P3P on easy or something.

>>162805780
Learn to use tactics better
abuse save states

>>162805650
>>162805653
>>162805681
>>162805848
should i emulate or bust out the ps3?

>>162805903
emulate the undub

>>162805903
Emulate if you can, then you can use the undub if you liek

>>162805903
emulation is better in basically every way possible as long as you can run it full speed

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>>162805819
I'm at level 40, using revolution and rush to try and crit it, and I've tried the fight like twenty times, haven't even gotten it to half health.

>>162805848
No save states to abuse, playing on console.

>>162806179
>>162805932
>>162805919
thanks this will help kill time while i wait for p5

So is it true Goro's popularity reaches abysmal levels around the time Haru appears? Is he trash talked on kaitochan?

How bloody are Anne's nips after a heist?
If you think about it, she is wearing not only a zipper right over it, but its also just leather. Which would then cause chaffing after all that running and fighting building up sweat.

>>162806982
persona magic
or pasties

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>>162754592
>still wearing headphone

>>162803634

Shipperfags just want to force the HaruGoro faggotry. Yusuke and Futaba definitely seem to sympathize with him the most, after Phantom, although it's not like Haru hates him or can't in some ways see things from his point of view.

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The PT's favorite video games

>Joker
Any

>Morgana
Super Mario World

>Ryuji
Any kind of sport games/Payday 2

>Anne
The Sims

>Yusuke
Okami

>Makoto
Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day

>Futaba
Splatoon/Mario Kart

>Haru
Animal Crossing

>Goro
Ace Attorney Investigations (detective self)/GTA5 (bratty self)/Shadow of the Colossus (lonely self)

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hey, question. could someone explain to me how the whole thing works in terms of mechanics when ryuji "dies" (or gets blown away by the explosion in the final palace) and then wakes up in some random place in the real world? everyone thought he was dead.

>>162806982
>tfw you will never help anne rub salve on her chaffed labia

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>>162806961
Yeah. Starting after Futaba's arc, the public basically goes crazy over the Phantom Thieves (almost everyone talks about them, people start making merchandising and themed food based on them, etc). Since Goro's been outspoken about considering them dangerous vigilantes, he gets bashed pretty heavily at that point. You get to see some of it in the Kaitou Channel comments and the comment clouds, Goro himself mentions that he's been getting bashed (and getting a lot of direct hate comments), and he actually ends up on the publicly-voted Kaitou Channel ranking for who the Phantom Thieves should reform next.

>>162807903
Does Goro take it all in stride or does he let it slip that the hate gets to him?

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>>162807738

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>>162807746
He got blown away by the explosion (and passed the point where they first entered as a result, sending him back to the real world), then passed out for a bit on a nearby lawn.

>>162808036
It gets to him a bit, since he's upset about it in several scenes around that point in time (and it doesn't help that Sae ends up scolding him about being more careful what he says on TV, which actually gets him to filter himself a bit the next time he's brought in for a show). The ranking bit is the one thing he seems to kind of take in stride, since if the PT actually did go after him because of that, it'd give him a chance to learn about their methods (even if that'd be risky), so it's not entirely bad.

>>162808303
Huh. Wonder if deep down Goro resented the PT for that very reason? Maybe he couldn't bear that they stole all the spotlight he had.

>>162807738
>no one plays Shin megoomi tensei

What a shitty cast lmao

>>162808303
>which actually gets him to filter himself a bit the next time he's brought in for a show

Do you remember the date of that cutscene? I'd like to check it on Tofudan's stream

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>>162808390
Probably not over that specific incident at least, since it was an intentional setup by Shidou and co. to boost the PT's popularity and then use that to manipulate them into a situation they could use to pin the blame for the incidents on them. Not to mention Leblanc's the one place where he feels welcome during that time, and Joker ends up being the one person he vents to a little.

>>162808515
9/12, he shows up on TV during a scene at Leblanc commenting on the situation with the PT. It's the first time he kind of hints that his personal opinion's (seemingly) changing, but he ends up cutting himself off under the pretense of having learned from the recent flaming. It's not really that interesting aside from being a nice bit of continuity since it's after he mentions Sae scolding him.

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>>162808390

well, he definitely envied joker for having everything he didn't. still, there's a scene where he's talking to shido before the confrontation takes place, where shido orders him to kill their targets and "clean up the mess" (assuming he means the thieves) already. goro outright hesitates about it again and tells him they should wait until after the election, so shido starts yelling at him to get it done. i think goro genuinely didn't want things to go the way they did, or at least not to kill joker's friends if he could avoid it, and that it was more just him wanting to fuck shido up at any price. he simultaneously wanted shido's approval and praise, though. it's sort of similar to the other abusive power dynamics we've seen in the game.

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>>162808932
Did anyone even translate this whole cutscene? I think only tidbits were translated which kinda sucks, the scene seems very important

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>>162808932
>i think goro genuinely didn't want things to go the way they did, or at least not to kill joker's friends if he could avoid it, and that it was more just him wanting to fuck shido up at any price.

That's the impression I got too. Aside from what you mentioned, on a second playthrough it kind of sticks out that he keeps comparing the PT's actions to the incidents he's responsible for on top of getting a few moments where he's clearly kicking himself over not realizing it's possible to reform people through the palace earlier (the most blatant two being on 8/22 when he's talking to Sae and on 10/26 when Morgana tells him their method when he asks after Anne tells him that Morgana informed them about stuff).

>he simultaneously wanted shido's approval and praise, though. it's sort of similar to the other abusive power dynamics we've seen in the game.

It's pretty much the prime example. Shadow Shidou admits to using praise to string him along and being why he ends up using his powers the way he does, and in that phone call you mentioned he outright threatens him when Goro tries going against his orders (with the same phrase his shadow uses when the PT fight him, where it's made even clearer that his go-to punishment for going against him is death).

I think he did kind of envy (and by extension resent) the PT's genuine popularity since he uses plural when talking about how they'll be heroes once Shidou confesses after his boss fight, but nowhere near enough for him to want to get rid of them until he doesn't have a choice.

>>162809507
Yeah, but that was a while ago. Might still be able to find it in the archive if you're willing to dig back far enough.

>>162809676
When you realize how easily he could have gotten the rest of PT killed because he knew all their identities, it sticks out that he talked Shidou out of the idea. The line about how morgana was just an ordinary cat was the one that stuck out the most for me personally.

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>>162810192
Agreed. If he wanted to, he could've easily told Shidou who the PT are and where to find them so they can be dealt with directly, but instead the only thing Shidou seems to know from what we get to see is that they have a strange cat with them and that there's a group of people suspicious of Goro after his brief stint infiltrating the PT, but not who they are. Even in the Shidou Palace deadline game over, it's just Joker he ends up going after with the police once he realizes he's alive, and before the first boss fight it sounds like he's only going after them because they're causing everything to fall apart right as things are about to come to fruition (since with Shidou threatening him it's either killing them or getting himself killed for disobeying/failing right before reaching the goal he's been working toward for at least two and a half years) and he thinks that's the only way to try to salvage the situation.

>>162810891
Out of interest, since you seem to be one of the few people who can talk about Goro at a deeper level, to what extent do you think he was a victim or culprit through all the circumstances?

>>162810891
Quick question : Shidou suspected Goro was his son, but did he know Goro's reason for approaching him in the first place was to betray him in the end?

>>162811841
Shidou guessed as much but wasn't certain. Though he decided to use Goro anyways because of his magical murder powers, then kill Goro when he becomes president.

>>162809507

i haven't translated anything in months, but i'll try to find more time to post something eventually, anon. i definitely want to do the more important scenes from the last portion of the game. i know no one's clamoring for it, but there's some important stuff with yaldy that touches on the overarching themes. might at least be interesting to read.

>>162809676

correct. the fight with shido definitely adds more nuance to goro's role as a victim. there, shido states he'd not only guessed that goro was trying to set him up and was probably the son of that woman, but also that he'd planned to dispose of goro immediately after being elected.

he says goro might've been smart, but in the end was still just a brat. essentially, "i praised him a little bit, he got fond of it and danced for me." shido even says having goro destroy himself like that just saved him the trouble.

anne tells him that he wouldn't be here without goro's help, to which shido replies, "it was because of me that akechi used his powers efficiently." personally, i don't think there's any downplaying the influence he had on goro's actions.

in retrospect, the fact that shido only thought of goro's sacrifice as convenient nearly ruins the symbolism in goro killing his puppet self, for me.