/svg/ Shadowverse General

>shadowcraft still getting dicked on
It's not fair!

>tfw Vampy and Luna will never step on your face and dick

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>>162626371
I'M READY FOR RUNE.

>>162626424
h-hear the dragon's r-roar

>Watching a Brood War tournament barely paying attention
>Enemy is at 1 hp and has lethal on the board
>Have a Phantom Howl in my hand
>Top deck Satan
>Play Satan
>Ended the run on 4 wins

>>162626195
>Finally good 5pp evos
>Fuckin forestcraft
CYGAAAAMES

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Latest 8 cards (Could have addendum, so stay tuned)

Uriel
Gold Neutral
4PP 3/3 -> 5/5
Fanfare: Put a random amulet from you deck into your hand

Pegasus Elf
Silver Forest
5PP 3/3 -> 4/4
Fanfare: Choose an enemy follower. Change its defense to 1.
Evolve: Choose an enemy follower. Deal 1 damage to it

Silver-haired Warrior, Emilia
Gold Sword
4PP 3/4 -> 5/6
Fanfare: Add a Subleader Gret (Previously revealed 2PP 2/2) to your
hand. Reduces its cost to 0 if there is more than 3 enemy followers

Gazer
Bronze Rune
5PP 3/4 -> 5/6
Spellboost: Reduces cost by 1

Dragonclaw Necklace
Silver Dragon
5PP Amulet
Increase damage from your follower, spell and amulet by 1

Necroassassin
Silver Shadow
4PP 3/3 -> 5/5
Fanfare: If there is another allied follower in play, destroy it and another random enemy follower

Blood-hungry Empress
Legendary Blood
7PP 4/5 -> 6/7
Fanfare: Deal 2 damage to all enemy followers. Whenever an enemy follower is destroyed, deal 1 damage to enemy leader

Frog Cleric
Bronze Haven
2PP 2/2 -> 4/4
Fanfare Enhance (4): Restore 3 health to an ally

>Another class gets better Fafnir

Literally fucking why.

>>162626528
Who here hype for Emilia/Amelia?

>just lost 7 battle angainst braindead sword shitter

my ass is on fire holy shit

>>162626528
>>Dragonclaw Necklace
>Silver Dragon
>5PP Amulet
>Increase damage from your follower, spell and amulet by 1
Clarification
This thing also boosts damage from Ability Effects.
Deathmist Dragon will nuke the board continuously with this thing on the board.

>>162626528
>Emilia
Literally a worst floral fencer, i guess shes more control sword focused so theres that

>>162626545
Well, on the bright side, you don't need to play cards as dragon now. You can save yourself trouble and discard them and get some damage out of it.

>>162626528
Man, Blood-Hungry Empress sure seems to be the final answer to a Sword using Otohime

Clear the board of bodyguards, cause 4 face damage, optional evolve and kill Otohime

>>162626629
Its not as if you only include Floral Fencers as your only 4 drop in a deck anyway if you are not running Banner, so there is still a point

>>162626624
And that's on top of gaining +1 from it raw.
I wonder if mushy gets +3 on evolve with this thing on board.

>>162626528
Subleader Gelt also gets +1/0 and ward with 3 enemies on the board

What tier is Shadow after this expansion?

>>162626702

No, Gelt gets those buffs if you have a commander on board. So it's safe to assume Emelia will be a Commander.

>>162626715
Higher than dragon.

>>162626528
>owl watcher
>Uriel
'Dis a good day to be a dragonbro.

>>162626762
you can't be higher than top

>>162626715
memes
They've gotten 0 shadow gen so far and not really enough good last word effects for Neptits.

Why the hell are they still holding out on Rune Legendary

>>162626715
RNG tier.

>Blazing Breath deals 3
>Fire Lizard deals 2
>Deathmist deals 2 to everything
>Angelic Barrage deals 2 AOE
>Salamander deals 4 to one creature + 3 AOE
>PTP deals 7
>DoD deals 3
>Wildfang doubles her damage for potential massive face nuke?

Somehow I still don't think this is worth 5 PP. Why the fuck does Dragon get so many overcosted amulets to clog up the board?

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>all these new cards that nuke the field

Who else here is mourning the loss of our Sea Queen, Otohime?

>>162626545
Even Jeanne D'Ark was a better Fafnir.
Still, at least it's a lego, unlike the damn Forest card which also gets ward.

>>162626830
RIP my budget Banner deck

>>162626820
>put down 3 drago necklace
>Deathmist does 4 damage to the entire board and does 5 damage unevolved

>>162626830
I'm rejoicing it.

>>162626814
I thought we all agreed that Balor is a good card to combine with Nephytis

>>162626830
Imagine a Midrange/Control Sword using Otohime, and then Urias smirks and then puts down Bloodhungry Empress

Bam, 4-5 damage to face on top of board clear

>>162626629
You're always going to run 3 Floral Fencers but Sword's been hurting for another pushed 4 drop, and Emilia is a better play if you end up first on 4th and when you've burnt out of evos.

>>162626528
Uriel + Dragon necklace seems like a thing now.

>>162626820
I can't wait to do some dumb shit like Turn 5 amulet Turn 6 2 Wildfangs + Altered Fate with 5 cards in hand. Granted, this sort of scenario will probably happen only once in like every 20 games but it'd be pretty funny.

>>162626886
>>I thought we all agreed that Balor is a good card to combine with Nephytis
he's big and has bane
Your opponent probably has more trouble removing him when played normally than if you just use him as a 3 damage battery

>>162626694
>Its not as if you only include Floral Fencers as your only 4 drop in a deck anyway
But i do

>>162626874
Only follower ability damage, not regular.

>>162626959
>4 cards combo
Good luck

>>162626528
DragonClaw necklace looks interesting as hell, it's expensive but the effect MIGHT be worth while.
4 damage SCORCH, 6 damage ST + 3 damage AoE, depending on how it works with Wilfang Dragonewt it can double the damage from Altered fate+Dragonewt.

It's hella interesting but probably won't see competitive play.

When DE was being revealed, what was /mbgg/'s reaction to the cards? I'm curious since I started after DE, and this expansion looks way better than DE from where I'm standing.

>>162626830
I'll just play some other t1 deck for shitters to complain about

>>162626820
>Why the fuck does Dragon get so many overcosted amulets to clog up the board?

Because you can ramp up to it!!

haven legendary when

>>162627069
This is still a terrible argument.
Ramping up into big things is supposed to be a reward for wasting a turn or two just gaining ramp, so it should be a big thing that makes up for that, but now it's just a shitty excuse to give dragon overcosted shit because "w-we don't want you to get something good too early or it'll mess up Elf and Sword"

>>162627015
"攻撃によるダメージも、能力によるダメージも+1する"
It's both.

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>when the old man takes the bait

>>162627098
>inb4 something retarded like fanfare: Restore 20 health to an ally

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Need haven win 96526

>>162627043
I was only around when /svg/ was just created and not in /mbgg/, but if I recall, few people predicted how broken Aria and Garuda would be.

Meanwhile a lot of people got excited about cards like Humpty Dumpty (neutral board clear!), Dracomancer's Rites, Pascale, and Bloody Mary.

>>162627187
If it's a "win one match as X" daily, it doesn't work that way.

>>162627098
It's already out, 6 health with rush and ward that can't take more than 3 damage per instance.
Still gets nuked by WotF.

>>162627220
>tfw the Humpty meta never happened

>>162627242
i thought sarissa is gold?

>>162627276
Time to prepare your butthole for carrot meta.

Maybe.

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>>162627242
She gold.

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>>162627242
It's a gold.

>>162627220
It's good that people are eager to try new things but it is up to testing on what will be good or not. Carrot probably won't be a thing but rune dudes will.

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T-the fishies are dancing

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>>162627241
Well fuck, I feel stupid now. What kind of dailies can I get done with private matches?

>>162627179
That isn't strong enough to see play with haven's current cards. Here's my idea for haven's next legendary.

God
4PP 7/7 -> 14 -> 14
Fanfare: Heal all allies to full and deal damage to all enemies for the amount healed
Last words: Win the game

>>162627148
whore

>>162627381
>homo vampire kills my board and does 5 damage to my face
>he's in vengeance so I just evolve albert and kill him
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>162627384
Only the "win 1 private match" one.
Other quests tell you in brackets where you can complete them.

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>>162627381
>dies to removal

>>162627389
>tfw you turn God into a Clay Golem and win anyway by shifting the D since DShift barely does any damage before the OTK

kek

>>162627342
>>162627349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntG50eXbBtc

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>>162627220
>Pascale
she can be fun.

>>162627471
I thought about giving it immunity to spells but that would be too overpowered

>>162627389
God doesnt exist kid

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So which FIVE cards are your favorites, and why? It can be because of effect, art, or voice.

Just the five cards you like the most.

Why the fuck isn't Shadow getting anything strong reeeeee

>>162627463
>dies to removal

Might as well not play it. :^) Leave it /svg/ to try force a meme though.

>all these board clears
As a Sword player I'm kinda concerned, I don't mind Otohime being pushed out of the meta, it opens up a lot of possibilities but it doesn't matter if it pushes every other thing (but storm (^: ) out, too.
It is starting to feel like they want for board to not last for more than one turn.
But hey, at least I play Forest, too.
By the looks of it I guess Albert is going to play a bigger role than I initially thought to finish games no matter what Sword deck you play.

>>162627389
You forgot
>Can't be banished

>>162627534
She is a top cutie but unfortunately her deck is still tier 3.

>>162627559
t. Skullfane

>>162627242
Goddamn you have poor memory. My condolence.

>>162627563
Magisa, Archer, Archery, Yuel, Ancient Alchemist.

>>162627563
elana's prayer
beastcall aria
priest of cudgel
themis decree
enstatued seraph

>>162627449
I just assumed that private matches counted as unranked, guess not.

>necroasassin

Well, it could be great with last word dudes as long as you don't deal with fucking fairies.

>>162627434
Pretty sure his double attack only works with 9pp

>>162627728
sword shitter btfo

Metatron's Jihad Bishop Legendary
10 Cost Spell
Fanfare: Fill your board with random amulets that have countdown from the game and destroy them.

>>162627756
i like it

how do we make this more broken

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>>162627563
In order.
>Tsubaki
First legendary I opened, saw the description as was like "hey, this seems pretty good". She was pretty good. Also has the best animation out of all legendaries upon being played.
>Cynthia
Has one of the best arts in the game, makes me want to watch a disney movie with her as a main character.
>Roach
I'm so sorry.
>Floral fencer
I'm not that sorry, I love her smug.
>Siegfried
BLOCK MY WAY AND I WILL CUT YOU DOWN

>>162627563
Charon
Urd
Fafnir
Forte
Dark General

So blood has to kill themselves, dragon has to discard their hand, and shadow has to kill their minions to do their thing. What do forest, sword, and haven have to do?

>>162627847
forest has to summon minions to summon good minions

sword has to buff minions

haven has to buff spells

Daily reminder that Gazer will bring upon a new batch of tentacle porn.

Probably with Emylou

>>162627847
Have a finger and the ability to use it.

>>162627847
forest have to calculate roaches and haven has to time amulets and spell right i think

sword is braindead though

>>162627847
Forest has too many options, so its hard to think of which good option to use.
Sword gets too many followers that you have to think about your board space.
Haven has to deal with amulet countdown.

It's a real struggle.

>>162627847
Haven has to expose themselves to damage for several turns before fighting back.

In theory.

>>162627884
>haven has to buff spells
Wrong one, cobber.

>>162627990
yeah sorry, he didn't ask about rune so i assumed he was asking about rune

>lost to elana as dshift
What's the most painless way I can kill myself right now? I need to go.

>>162627563
Elana
Aria
Garuda
Themis
Cudgel

>>162627847
>Forest
draw Elf, Tia or Roach
>Sword
draw Floral fencer
>Haven
draw Cuckgel and Themis

>dragon
>shadow
>blood

so which one of these three meme class will become the next haven in rise of bahamut, as in shit meme class becoming the meta and causing buttdevastation everywhere

anyone who wants to play a game or two to have a break from the uniformity of the ladder? doesn't matter if your deck is good or not, just play something that's somewhat uncommon.
ID: 62938

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>>162628124
Get ready for 3 months of whining about Blood.

>>162628124
Seems to be Blood

>>162628124
shadow has a lot of bullshit cards already I hope they don't become meta

>>162628124
Rune

>>162627721
Good with ghosts too.

>>162628124
Whoever comes out on top, shitters will try convince you it's not while they play it.

>>162628124
I took a break and haven't been keeping up to date. I played a lot of Blood and Shadow, do they have confirmed buffs or something? Can someone give me the run down on this?
I opened the last thread and saw a Shadow 0 drop, and some Puppet monster?

>>162628292
Just check the revealed cards from Rise of Bahamut expansion.
Vampy is really happy right now

>going 2nd
>1 extra early draw
>extra evo points
>get to evolve on fucking turn 4

Whoever design this stupid mechanics should just fucking kill himself right now. Going 1st means losing most of the time unless you play aggro.

>>162628292
https://shadowverse.com/cardpack/riseofbahamut/

Along with the latest leaks from last thread.

>>162627563
Forte - Feels good slapping her on a board and smacking your opponents face
Roach - Feels good building up a huge roach combo and hearing the angry roach noises as you unleash it
Genesis - He's huge and he smacks your opponent in the face with his big dragon dick
Ancient Elf - I love making her fat as fuck to cuck my opponent on their turn 4 evos
Sigfried - just fucks my opponents shit up without having to evo

>>162628181

>honest class Shadow
>bullshit

Don't bully the luna

Did the dragon roar?

>>162628350
>>162628398
Thanks, clicked the second link, Batboy is a QT. I'm assuming clash goes off whenever it's involved in a battle? or is it only when it attacks?

does anyone else just concede to really slow players? it's faster to just grind back the points against faster players

>>162627930
>haven has to time amulets and spell right i think
Haven has literally never a reason to not just drop what they have on curve. Its literally autoplay.

>>162628371
>go first
>can't evolve your 4pp card on turn 4
>have to save it for turn 5 and play it at a curve loss unless you got a 1 card
Seriously just let both players evolve on turn 4 but the 2nd player gets 3 evolves while the 2nd only 2. There I fixed it.

>>162628628
You know you don't fool anyone being this obvious.

>>162628591
Battle.

>>162628578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx-cdrHiGd0

>>162628578
yes, now mushussu will get +3 damage per evo, thanks to new dragon amulet

>>162628728
What if Dragon Necklace was global

>>162628628
Na, i browse shit in the interweeb and change music in between turns
You are rune player arent you?

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>>162628817
Then it would be a really big necklace.

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>>162628818
If a Rune player conceded against every slow opponent they'd never win a game.

>tfw cudgel sees your weak spot

>>162627930
Sword's thing is playing vanilla Shadowverse better than other crafts.

See though, Haven's gimmick is being able to ignore game fundamentals. Their unique mechanics make the decks even easier to play than Sword because they get to avoid removal and damage optimization is simplified so you can "manage" countdown.

>>162628701
I think that creates a problem where 3 drops can deal guaranteed 4-5 damage to face with evolve and can trade with the opponents evolve, so your 5 drop saves you an evo point while wasting your opponents.

>>162628628
I usually just shitpost on /svg/ in the meantime
>tfw come back to the game with my board removed and have to check the log

>>162627847
>Forest has to play cards before their cards becoming good
>That's too slow, have 0 cost fairies and easy fairy generation. Also purg

>Rune has to snowball spells, or combo the wall
>That's too slow, have an aggro deck

>Blood is the comeback at half hp class
>I guess that doesn't work, because 10 hp is nothing, have more aggro

>Shadow has to lose followers for shadows and gets last words to keep the board
>Oh, too much banish for that? Have more rng.

>Haven has to expose themselves to damage while waiting for amulets and has heal to compensate
>Too slow, have an aggro and dedicated snowball with Exodia

>Dragon's ramp to overwhelm with high cost high stats and overflow
>Too much removal to play your cards and use your class mechanic? You can throw away your cards for damage.

>Sword has to buff officers with commanders to make them good
>Who cares, just replace removed storm

Vanilla SV is the best SV, as long as you remove dim shift, purg and prince.

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>crafted 3 Otohime's.
>won't even be able to vial her for full because she didn't get directly nerfed.

>>162628846
Just me.

>>162628876
Dude, sword is literally put followers in the field and beg for a wind god/sage to come.

>>162628818
banner
too slow

>>162628975
>wind god
What sword even still plays that? And Sage/banner playing decks need to constantly watch out on playing banner/sage vs. doing shit on the board and trading vs. maintaining followers to not run out of steam too fast.
I'm not gonna say Banner is "complex" but here is a lot more to playing Banner well than "hur play followers", if you do that, you lose against anyone who doesn't draw like shit.

>>162628876
haven is bullshit but sword is literally just put more follower win : the class

dont make excuses for your braindead class

>>162628889
The 2nd player still has a 3rd evolve to come back, that's the whole point of the extra ep.
Right now first players mostly end up wasting 1pp on turn 5.

>>162626528
>Uriel
>Gold Neutral
>4PP 3/3 -> 5/5
>Fanfare: Put a random amulet from you deck into your hand
people were freaking out about this in the previous thread, can someone explain why? is it because haven can play a deck with 3 elana as the only amulet, so they essentially have 6 copies of their wincon like banner-sword does with the maid?

>>162628932
what happened? from the spoilers it seems like sword is as good as ever, did they just get a far-superior 6-drop to replace otohime?

>>162629120
But he doesn't get the free damage from 3 drop, so there's that.

>>162629203
Control Blood gets a direct counter to Otohime.

>>162629203
Have you not seen the absurd amount of mass removal everyone is getting?
Any Sword but High Value Midrange/Control is getting fucked.

>>162629123
Also gives discard dragon a way to pull dracomancer's rites which is currently the biggest issue with the deck.

>>162628652
>>162628876
>the entire game is turn 1, 2, and 3

Wow really makes you think.

Also there's quite a bit you can do with amulets that are beyond just "dropping them on curve". You can stagger them or plan them to pop on a turn where you can buff or evolve them rather than leaving them there for your opponent to destroy.

Haven was shit before it got a certain amulet that more than made up for the the delayed tempo, and nothing in the game will be simpler than playing swordcraft no matter how stupid your hate-boner is for haven. There's a fucking reason every retard in T2 picks sword and that's because it's easy to play and win with.

>>162628701
If they did this, the player going 2nd would be dead by turn 6 against every aggro deck

>>162628975
I agree with you, and I still think Haven is even more braindead. Pure Elana can be an interesting deck but Storm Haven plays the same "dump your shit on board" game as Sword but it gets easy removal and avoidance stapled. Seraph is another combo for game deck but it's more static than Dshift and your tools better or worse are all straight.

You don't need to learn shit to play Sword except the basic game, Haven lets you ignore basic lessons.

>>162629123
Prism Priestess already does the same thing for 1 less for Haven, so it's pointless for them. It's for the other classes.

>>162629123
Basically, its very good as it guarantees fetching an important amulet when you need it especially since all the classes that run important amulets like PtP and stuff can just fetch it

Though, probably not for Haven though since Uriel does not distinguish between fetching a countdown or non countdown amulet.Still, if you have both prism priestess and uriel, you can theoretically draw both your countdown and non countdown amulets

>>162629123
>not playing sacred plea or aria so that you can play a 4pp 3/3 to guaranteed find an elana
seems bad

>everyone getting broken card
>haven getting shit boring card

serves them right desu

>>162629279
>>the entire game is turn 1, 2, and 3
>should I play themis on 6 to remove my opponents entire board for no drawback or not
havenshitter pls.

>>162629203
>>162629262
Why is it always Swordfags crying about their precious Otohimeme getting countered.
Are you so fucking entitled that you think your 6pp flood the board should ALWAYS combo into sage commander next turn and how dares anyone do anything about that?
You spend 1 card and flood the board while other classes, shadow and specifically spend their entire hand to fill the board and get cucked all the same.

>>162629335
>themis has no drawback

t. d-rank

>>162629326
I'm just hoping the legendary will be good

>>162628932
>unpack an otohime
>craft 2 more
>unpack 3 more
I just want to dust all the extras for the refund cost

>>162629279
>Also there's quite a bit you can do with amulets that are beyond just "dropping them on curve". You can stagger them or plan them to pop on a turn where you can buff or evolve them rather than leaving them there for your opponent to destroy.
>Heaventard trying todefend their braindead autoplay
If you try to "stagger amulets" you are just breing a tryhard that basically handicaps themselves. If you got damage and play Elena >heal if not play amulet. There, I just gave you a game plan for every game you will ever play.

>>162629237
2 extra damage from 3pp followers is not even that big compared to losing curve since most followers that set up tempo are 4pp followers (dragon warrior, playful necro, princess mage, floral, cudgel, merlin). They could've tried it and it might improve the winrate for going 1st. Right now, the difference in winrate is just too massive and proves that going 2nd give you a lot of advantage.

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I need a concede please.

77908

>>162629410
>Themis has a drawback

t. beginner rank

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Alright swordbros, should i get a third Aurelia or is 2 good enough?
>About to craft a third hime
Dodged a bullet right there, 2 should be fine right...?
Also, Albert at full value is 9pp so most likely will run only one (?)

>>162629407
>Why is it always Swordfags crying about their precious Otohimeme getting countered.
I don't play sword though? But Otohime is getting fucked, thats just true. I don't need to play sword to realise that.

>>162629410
>>162629478
It affects nothing you would have on board at turn 6. If you have something on board by then that you won't just ram into face and drop Themis you need to learn how to play the fucking game right.
And if you have a bigger board than your opponent, you won't need to play it anyway. There is no decisions to be made there.

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>>162629470
Thanks you dork dragoon!

>>162629516
anon

If someone clears your board what is the one card you want to have in hand

>>162629516
I'm seeing Albert as a 3-of in most Midrange decks. He can cleanly finish off most evolved 4-drops without using an evolve, and likely survive on turn 5.

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>Spellboost-a-follower followers
>more followers that can get to 0 cost with spell boost
>Runecraft's innate removal and that new removal spell that can drop its cost to 1
>A way to fish for Conjuring Force
Are you ready for New Elana?

So I just went against an opponent that played vanilla dirtrunes all the way until turn 9 where my PtP forced them to throw down their trump card.
A D-shift.
It was 9 cost and they had nothing on the field so it was basically a glorified draw one card and they conceded the turn after.
What kind of fucking meme deck runs D-shift and dirtrunes? As if earthmemes wasn't already memey enough.

>Blood getting a good legendary

Is this real? I thought it will keep being the meme class.

is there anything more pathetic thay swordtards trying to defend their ooga booga me drop follower class?

>>162629279
The correct play is excepting corner cases in the same vein as Sword playing around Themis is always to play your amulets straight.

This isn't personal experience, this is literally how pros play Haven in the highest level of competitive. The recent Rage finals showed off some very impressive Forest, Sword and Rune play and the Haven strategy at grand finals level was still curve out and get value.

>>162629616
That's shadow now. They are the RNG class.

>>162629616
Bloody Mary and Vampire Queen are already pretty good legendaries though.

>>162629123
Gives a way for Dragon to search Rites or Flute for memes, for Blood to search Dire Bond (which is both card draw and potential 6 damage to face with Bloody Mary), lets Tyrant Shadow search Midnight Haunt, and any class for PtP searching.

>>162629615
Probably the same people that try to run Elana Storm Seraph

>>162629626
The funnier part is havenfags trying to pretend every sword is banner/aggro just to pretend there is more braindead craft than theirs.

>>162629626
You for caring so much.

>>162627563
>Genesis Dragon
BEFORE CREATION THERE WAS DESTRUCTION
One of the voices I miss after undubbing. Also dropping him is so much more satisfying Timmy-wise than dropping Forte because you take up all your PP to hit the other guy's face with a huge fucking dragon.

>Urd
Probably the most versatile card in the game, from resetting Ancient Elves to reusing Storms/Last Words. Also had some hilarious battles when someone couldn't kill the Goblinmount I just dropped, chipped away at it, and then Urd set him back to 7 HP again.

>Conjuring Force
Impractical, but people shit their pants when you drop this. Used to run snowman DShift without Destroyers for fun times, but sadly it was much slower and less consistent. Maybe aggro/mid spellboost Rune will make this come back as a finisher with Uriel.

>Unica
I want to wipe the crumbs from her face.

>Bellringer Angel
DING DONG

>>162629691
>try to run Elana Storm Seraph

literally me senpai wish me luck in ranked

>>162629464
Right now it works
>4pp drop->3drop (2nd has advantage)
>4/5pp drop->4pp drop (1st has advantage)
>whatever drop->4/5 drop (2nd has advantage)
>1st
>2nd has upper hand but no more evolves

If you let 1st evolve on turn 4
>1st evolve
>2nd evolves
>1st evolves
>2nd has two evolves left so he can use removal and some cheap drop and not worry about it getting removed

So either only aggro decks will evolve or everyone will save it to counter the enemy 4 drop anyway.

>>162629528
>1 card getting fucked vs all the 2/3 drops shadow and blood play getting cucked at the same time

Again I ask, why is ONE specific card so important?

>>162629478
>>162629528
>threatening board on turn 6
>they have to themis it
>full-board space for roach lethal

If you're too shit to beat Elana maybe you should just play a better class and stop filling the general with your autistic shadowcuck posts where you rage about Elana 24/7.

>>162629553
Alexander?

>>162629870
>too shit to beat cancer
>here play this AIDS class instead

Don't think you forest cunts are any better.

>>162629553
Sea Queen Otohime or Front Guard General

>>162629851
>Again I ask, why is ONE specific card so important?
Its important to that one guy who mentioned it because he crafted Otohime and she is expensive to craft compared to the Shadow/Blood 2/3 drops? How is that even a question?
He literally said that.

>>162629984
He's not the first one who's been crying about Otohime specifically since Imperial Dragon and Lion dude were revealed. That's why I said sword players in general.

>>162629870
>roach lethal on turn 6
If you don't ever actually play the game you probably shouldn't talk out of your ass so much.
Fucking no one worth beating ever overextends their board if they have chance of roach lethal next turn.
Stop trying to make excuses for your inability to play the game right and trying to be a tryhard with a autoplay craft.

>>162628124
None of those classes are even close to be as shit as pre-DE Haven.

>>162630076
Again, Otohime is the only Legendary affected by it.
Obviously people care more about a Legendary they likely crafted for a lot of vials and that played a important role in their gameplan more than random 2/3 drops.
When I saw that card I also was first happy about being able to counter Otohime with it rather than countering random 2/3 drops.

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>>162627563
Vania (a cute)
Path to Purgatory (literally a WMD in card form)
Dire Bond (lesbian harem and useful effects when they aren't fucking you)
Righteous Devil (Sinners be purged)
Revelation (The time for Revelation is at Hand)

i miss comfy /svg/ without sword/have/forest autist

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>>162629610
>>162629750

>tfw I liquefied a Conjuring Force yesterday

B-but everyone told me it is a shit card.

>3 Aurelias
>3 Himes
>3 Alwidas
>3 Alberts
>3 Sage commanders
>1 Tsubaka
>2 Avants
>Let's pretend fangblade doesnt exist
>Almost half of the deck are 5+ drops
Im not seeing this bros, mind as well concede if i dont get a perfect godlike curve and going second

>>162630201
>Vania

>>162630172
I dunno. I'd be happy to bait it with my Otohime so I can actually play my other followers more safely.

>>162629782
Still doesn't solve the problem of first players playing at a curve loss and subsequently tempo loss cause you're playing a 4pp card on turn 5.
Sure they could play it on turn 4 then evolve on turn 5 but then the 2nd player could just kill it.

>>162630243
>being this autistic

Got myself a Jeanne from one of my daily packs.
Does she see any play in Haven? Wondering if I should just vial her.

>>162629610
I DON'T CARE ABOUT SPELLBOOSTS GIVE ME MORE GOLEMS I NEED SOME STORM OR RUSH GOLEMS WITH NO WARD.

>>162630259
Then you're eating a ton of damage against blood in the late-game. I mean, its a thing you can try to do, but chances are you're not gonna leverage those hypothetical followers.

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>>162630236
>Avants at all
>3 Alberts
>while running 3 himes and 3 Alwidas
What the fuck are you even tyring to do, anon?
I can get behind the 3 Alwidas but since Hime might phase out people might swap one of each for Albert.

>>162629616
Unique and weird cards didn't do much good to the class overall so they're going for more classic stuff now.

OK sveeg what else should i remove/add in this

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>>162629610
More then ready.
I was already playing conjuring force + snowman either way.

>>162629301
I thought prism priest can only fetch countdown amulets (meaning it can get beastcall aria and sacred plea but not elana's prayer)

>>162630436
needs Satan

>>162629610
3x Insight
3x Angelic Snipe
3x Windblast
3x Kaleidoscope
3x Snowmeme
3x Emmylou
3x Emmylou's New Boyfriend
3x Emmylou's Other New Boyfriend
3x Creeper that Stares at Emmylou and her Boyfriends
3x Piercing Rune
3x Levis
3x Uriel
3x Conjuring Force

What else would be in the list?

>>162630308
No. Only good in arena.

>>162630367
Well yeah. In case of Blood Lego nothing will help you at that point probably because you still take damage.
But classes that prefer to stall you it's a passable trade. The problem isn't the removal itself, it's the fact that they get a body in play too.
I mean that retarded Lion card is just too much. It might be even an even better turn 5 play than Tia and like Tia it gets ward for no fucking reason at all.

>>162630553
Penguin Wizard. He'd be be getting 2 attack for every single spell if left alive with a conjuring force and would be suicide to leave alive.

>>162630553
dimension shift

>>162630236
I need the Alwidas and Aurelias, but Avant often seems like a dead card in my hand. She saved me one time by pulling out two Novice Troopers though.
Might cut down Otohime and Sage to two, though with the other new cards I don't know if it comes down to swapping out a few cards.

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>>162630086
Two zero cost fairies, 1 fairy, a roach and nature's guidance + evo is 12 damage on turn 6, this isn't a very rare combo piece to have.

It is not hard to get Elana down to 12 health on turn 6 if they played basically nothing the first 3 turns. You're just retarded and probably try to trade or out-value them or something, which is the wrong way to play against them.

If you're playing a midrange or tempo or aggro deck and can't take them down in the first 6 or 7 turns then just concede and move on with your life.

>>162629610
>elana gives +1/+1
>also heals the leader when you play fanfare heal followers
>conjuring force only gives +1/0 on spells
>doesn't work on followers that aren't played by spells
Naw, it's gonna be fine. Elana will become more cancer though since they can now fish for elana.

>>162630519
Oh right, forgot the countdown amulet only clause.

>>162630678
Expac is adding more followers that can be played with 0 cost, and everyone knows how long Rune can take spellboosting and casting everything

>>162630673
So now you're pretending illiteracy to shill your idiotic point?
I directly said that its possible, but a forest that can roach you next turn WILL NOT OVEREXTEND THEIR BOARD TO BEGIN WITH.

>>162630410
>Avants at all
Ya, considering in dropping them and add some mentor's teachings
I'm trying to see opinions from someone that actually knows how to play

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Why are Cygames devs such bullies?

>>162630745
The problem with followers that can be played at 0 cost means you have to spellboost them first BEFORE you play them. Meaning conjuring force won't affect them since they're not on the board. You already need followers out when you're playing spells to boost them.
Meanwhile elana boosts healing followers just by playing them at the same time.

>>162630673
You won't have a full board on turn 6 anyway you retard, so Haven WON'T Themis you.
If you DO have a full board on turn 6 with roach lethal then you don't know how to play your own deck.

tl:dr
You win with roach because it's fucking roach and not because Haven cucked themselves with Themis.

>>162630673
WTF are you on about? if forest has a full board then the only remotly plausible way this happened is if they are playing aggro with wind god and then you get wreckt by Wind god if you don't Themis. There is no scenario in which you would not play Themis in this situation.
Maybe they have roach, but that doesn't matter, because if you don't thin out their board as much as possible, they will wreck you next turn anyway.
So you are going to play Themis if you have it, there is nothing else to play you shitter.
Just because you can prove you are apparently too dumb to even play havencraft right doesn't make look haven look better, just make you look more retarded.

>>162630553
Imagine drawing the wrong half of the deck. I guess you already can with Earth Rites.

>>162630872
There are new followers that spell boost followers

>>162630859
Is that sopposed to be the white house? Why the fuck are they doing a twitch interview at the white house? What's the story?

>>162630951

Brought in video gamers to do a stream for universal health insurance awareness

>>162630920
And those new followers that spellboost other followers aren't spells. Conjuring force won't trigger off them. And they won't boost your spells either. So you'll probably end up waiting the next turn to spell boost them.

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>>162630856
This is what I run at AA2 if you want some ideas.
It is top heavy as fuck tho, change as you see fit.
Olivia is a tech I use to win in case the game goes until very late or versus tempo Forest by shoving value down their throats.

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>play aggro Blood
>have guaranteed lethal after two turns
>BM every turn for the rest of the match

>>162631086
You play them before conjuring force silly

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>>162630436
And the trial of fire begin

>>162631021
>bring in justin fat wong to spread health insurance awareness
Sounds about right.

>>162631180
We're talking about aggro rune right where you win the game under turn 6?
You probably won't have enough pp to spend on followers that spellboost other followers AND then playing spells to boost them up with conjuring force in the same turn. They would have to survive a board clear first.

>>162630560
So it's wait till expansion for changes and vial if I want huh?

>>162630436
remove yourself from the living

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>>162630201
How do you maximize her card value?

She keeps dying for nothing ;_;

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>>162631191
Cant believe it worked

>>162630751
>>162630879
>opponent knows if you spent zero-cost fairies or not
>commit almost nothing to board
>jeeze I wonder what he's planning

So you only play against retards?

Doing nothing gives your opponent the freedom to ward or heal up and you just lost the ability to lethal them

You can't fucking DO NOTHING and expect to win unless you only play against braindead opponents. Sometimes you have to commit a bunch of shit to the board and force them to play something to get rid of it. If you telegraph your play that obviously and they still fall for it then congrats, I guess you beat a retard.

>>162630908
>WTF are you on about? if forest has a full board then the only remotly plausible way this happened is if they are playing aggro with wind god and then you get wreckt by Wind god if you don't Themis.

That's the whole point you moron. You make them think you have a Wind God or Cynthia, even though you don't. You force them to commit mana to something like Themis instead of healing themselves outside of roach range lethal.

All you're proving is you have no idea how to force your opponents to make plays in your favor.

>>162631321
Yeah. I highly doubt that they'll change anything though.

>>162631434
Nobody cares, Elanacuck

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>>162631392
Use her to proc with Vamp Fortress using an evol point.
Or just use her when you have summon bloodkin in hand.
Anyone with a working brain won't let her alive past the turn she was played unless they don't have any means for removal.
Accept it, everytime you play Vania, she'll be toasted alive.

>>162631392
Never play her on turn 2.

>>162630236
>Avants
There is your problem.

>>162631392
Don't overvalue the pings.
Or don't make a turn two play and wait until two turns afterwards where you can put her down onto a board she'll die on b-b-but can get two pings with!

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>>162631105
Thanks, i'll see what i can do with my wannabe midrange

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Why do people use three banners on the ground when it would only damper your board, preventing the play of other followers?

>>162630908
>never won by bluffing

It's ok anon, you're halfway there to being actually good rather than just efficient.

>>162631653
By the time they play 3 Banners, Centuars and Troopers hit for 5 apiece. It sets up good topdecks, unless they run into Wards.

>>162631641
Forgot to mention that you can use Aesthetic instead of Pompous for better stat line but worse deck thinning. Good luck, anon.

>>162631653
>banner in turn 10
He probably didn't have a choice anymore. His hand would have been pretty empty playing on a single card draw.

>>162631463
>implying the opponent doesn't know you can have roach
>implying he will Themis to open you a free board

Congrats, you've probably beat a retard one time

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Why the fuck would anyone play Haven stall shit. I've never been so annoyed at a fucking card game in my life. They just sat there and did shit before spamming ward and healing. There was no reason for anything to drag on for so fucking long. I'm pissed. Reno Jackson in Hearthstone isn't that fucking bad, I'm okay with that. Bullshit Lifelink decks in Magic aren't even bad. Gimmicky as fuck Yugioh decks are fun. Card games are fun, this has been my single most unenjoyable game in any card game in my fucking life. And I am absolutely disgusted by it. I could go 80 rounds playing fucking Pokemon VG and that's not even as bad as this bullshit. It could have been literally any other deck, and I would have enjoyed it. But not this shit. Why couldn't I play against Fairies or Sword or even Stormcraft, something that does anything. That was just a fucking chore and I hope whoever that was, Is playing on the train ride home, so they can open their door and be welcomed by their wife being fucked by a nigger. Holy Shit.

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I still love her

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>>162631821
>all that text
nigga I ain't reading this shit

>>162631745
I see, thanks.
>>162631760
I feel bad for him. If he kill two of my bats I will have enough shadow to drop PtP down.

>>162631821
it's a deck for dishonest niggers and they're the first to go on the day of the rope

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Pick your poison.

>>162631841
Get fucked, fishfucker.

>>162631821
the fact that you're this mad makes victory all the sweeter

>>162631790
What is Cynthia, what is Wind God?

If your opponent doesn't clear they get punished by these things. They don't know if they're in your deck or not and the point is making them think they are.

>>162632181
There's no way for that person to know how upset I am, and I know you're not a gook so it wasn't your victory. Stop being a dumbass basketball.

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Y-You too!

>>162632120
イザベル

>>162627604
I'm going to keep playing banner forever it seems if I want to play sword, lovely game there, cygames.

>>162632240
>implying because i can write in English that i'm not a gook.
I'm not, but i'm an English teacher, some gooks are pretty fluent

>>162632239
Sage commander is better than both of those though.

>>162632249
Repost.

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>>162632249

>>162632342
Except no

>>162632342
>>162632402
here we go

>>162632342
Nobody gave me (You) when I posted it in the previous thread.

>>162632402
It is.

>>162629203
Erryone is getting on the 2 damage AoE train, hope you like playing Banner if you want to play sword because midrange is dead.

>>162632418
Not enough (You)s from reddit?

>>162632471
There is never enough (You)s,

>>162632402
>>162632342
Sage commander has the better effect, but Cynthia has better stats + evolution.

There stop arguing you faggots

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>just want to be a huge combo meme
>Everyone's running Odin

Time to go back to D-shift i guess

>go to unranked to do daily for class my deck is trash
>5/5 matches were vs Shadow

(´;ω;`)

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>>162631653
So I can do this.

>>162632429
>Cynthia on empty board is a good play
>Sage on empty board is a bad play
"no"

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Hello, I see we are having the Sage vs Cynthia discussion again.
I'd like to point out that I still think both of them are balanced.
Sage commander has a better straight up effect due to health buffs and not requiring you to attack, Cynthia has a better statline and a more flexible evolve while scaling.
Thank you for the attention, no (You) for any of you faggots, though.

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>>162632556
Y'all niggas get ready for the real pimpmaster

>>162631790
>elf has 4 fairies
>themis
>get raped by roaches
>don't themis
>fat ancient elf or cynthia or wind god
There is just no winning.

>>162631105

why d angel? I know it's a dumb question but still. Also, isn't 3 swings a little too much?

>>162632692
I'd rather Sage had Cynthia's effect so you could use him with Storm followers

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NEW CHANNERU FUCKING WHEN?

>>162632339
Nah, I get that. I know some pretty fluent nips. It's just a combination of your language coupled with the fact that you're on 4chan. It might be owned by a chink now, but none really browse our boards. from who and what I've personally seen anyways.

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>tfw turn 5 evolved Kunoichi + Infiltrator play

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>>162632764
No, it's a fair question. Olivia does three things and an extra cherry on top.
>I can play for value versus tempo elf, as stated before
>I can play for value on a mirror match as long as I get playable draws even if going first
>I have a way out versus control decks in case the game goes til very late
The cherry on top is that she's a fucking dead draw every time you face dshift.
I've gotten my fair share of people conceding on me because I dropped Olivia, she's pretty alright.
You can sub her for any other card or tech you like tho, Gabriel being one of the best to push more damage for instance.

Is this thing story actually good? I just skiped everything.

>>162632717
>tfw I was using her in my budget tempo forest deck until I got cynthia

>>162633084
Just pretend ranked mode is the story.

>>162633084
Translation is cut down and made generic, so no.

>>162632717
>requires 2 cards to be played

You know they're going to have to add more options that don't suck to get zero cost fairies because there's too many cards that need them to be decent but they all compete with one another due to limited evolutions of elf princess mage.

Baalt is too fucking slow and fairy bringer sucks

>>162633084
All we've seen so far have been prologues.

>>162633156
Fairy Bringer is seeing play now on ladder

>>162633156
Just give me a 3 pp follower that has Clash / whenever this follower attacks: change the cost of a fairy to (0).

Also Fairy Bringer is actually good

>>162633156
>removing the only drawback that forest has

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>off-class dragon warrior with a chance to deal higher damage

She better has a good VA because she will be in everywhere.

>haven with cudgel and this
>shadow finally gets their "proper" 4-drop
>rune can use something to get the heat off their face

>>162633156
Just play her with fairies from elven princess mage.

>>162633084
Translation made the dialogue pretty "compact", but it's functional I guess. I kinda hope they continue it, Nexus was a fun match, got Atomemed two times.

>>162633359
>rune can use something to get the heat off their face
It's called Levi and he's versatile going up to 3 cost in order to do Dragon Warrior's swing.
And versatile in that you can save up your 3 damage for later board states.
Did I mention that that 3 damage also spellboosts your hand?

>>162633156
>BAAAAW I NEED TO WAIT 2 WHOLE TURNS TO USE MY OP CARDS
>Elfbabs

>>162633359
What does she do though?

>>162633490

Sure, but Teena can trade into a fire tiger and live for another turn.

>>162633520

4PP
3/4 -> 4/5
Evolve: Deal 2 damage to an enemy follower. If it's a neutral card, 5 damage instead.

>>162633359
What does she do?

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REEEEE I JUST WANT TO FINISH MY DAILIES. Fuck dragoncraft. It's been an hour since I finished the first 2.

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>>162633359
Teena's ass is sugoi.

>>162633604

See here. >>162633571

Oh, she's a neutral card, by the way.

>>162633638
Prove it.

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>>162633628
?

>>162633638
>winter clothes

Isn't Teena meant to have a sister or something?

>>162633359
>goblin breaker tina vs goblin mage
Can't wait for them doujins.

>>162633571
>fuck you Goblinmount Demon: the card
I'll take it

>>162633683

Actually they are supposed to be friends. Minigoblin is not an evil goblin, so it's fine.

alright fellas. how drastic is this game gonna change if the max HP was 30 instead of 20?

>>162633725
Teena is no true goblin slayer then

>Replace mission
>Get private match mission
>Don't like spamming the thread for the awkward concedeplease
Is it possible to just erase the data after linking on my phone/steam for a new account or something?

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>>162633638
Tina is not for lewding
>>162633680
She has an edgy brother and their father is Gandalf.

>>162633761
combo will no longer be pressured by aggro
dimension shift 100% winrate

>>162633761
It would be shit. The cards were not balanced for 30 HP.

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>>162633359
>dragons might run the new neutral 4-drop that fetches amulets
>this card's evo effect just deletes it

>>162633798
Just get an emulator, Bluestacks works fine. Nox too if you don't want to brick your PC with Bluestacks.

>>162633761
Everyone makes PtP

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>>162633680
She's got Koyasu as a brother.

>>162633761
It's either Elana/Seraph Haven or DShift or lose.

>Elana now deals 1 damage to enemy followers
There, I fixed it.

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>>162633628
Okay, switching to shadow. First game was surprisingly fast because of memes. It was too much for this hag to handle a turn 5 atomeme, Charon and a lich.

>>162633683
She's friends with Feena who's friends with Minigob so yeah, that ain't happening.

>>162633725
>>162633941
She could still, you know
"break" her

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>>162633660

>>162634028
You lost me

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Let me beat you please
52343

>>162633862
Jesus, dragonfags make my day sometimes.

What could be teched in to improve Bannermeme mirror matches? I'm running the list with Teachings and Kunoichi Trainee and no Veteran Lancer.

I had 4-5 mirror matches yesterday and just met a few more today.

>>162630678
>they can now fish for elana
They'd have to ditch Plea and Aria.

>>162634137
You're not very good at sarcasm, are you?

>>162634240
im serious it gave me a little chuckle that made my morning